pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

probably safer:

[covert lintel]

no

sanis is support

[tropic summit]

helmT is linked, elem weak on link will still hurt quite a bit 🤨

[swift mango]

Rossana can't one shot ASS from max health. Nor She could target ASS, a supporter in the first place.

[swift mango]

It's just your team.

[tropic summit]

que? you mean helmT would've less atk than noah and biscuit?

[swift mango]

Noah+Crown+Biscuit+ASS+RH

Rapu or some B1 that's not liter or an attacker instead of RH in case your RH is not built somehow. Equip RH with Vigor or Tempering if you wanted to be sure.

[tropic summit]

oh you just stalling oke

[pale knoll]

[swift mango]

Wdym stalling? You can't do dmg to 2rl Noah team before 4rl anyway.

[tropic summit]

ye the above would work

even less expensive for SP arena in case they run it there and not rookie

[covert lintel]

this will work on that rosanna
maybe

[uncut portal]

Thank you! And I need some advice for special arena too.

Last team look weak but unexpectedly strong.

[swift mango]

Then you need no advice

[uncut portal]

I'm tried twice and busted, ha ha ha.

[tropic summit]

[uncut portal]

Maiden got Invulnerable 4S from Biscuit and kill my team after my Scarlet nook.

Maybe I should counter with makima 9s?

[covert lintel]

yes try it and send video here

[uncut portal]

If biscuit S2 still active that's because I can't kill them with burst right?

[tropic summit]

why you don't have laplace treasured

blanc sbs xmaiden biscuit rumani
noah moran helmT emilia rapu
scarlet centi rh noir jackal

cubes: you already know them

notes: check le SS

[worthy knoll]

P4 Rosanna, will shoot P1 and Attacker if there is only one attacker assuming no Taunts.. also Rosanna should have dispelled link already so no link damage from your own Helm would be shared

[tropic summit]

oh that'd work in favour actually 🤔

but link is broken already on 2RL? 🤨

specifically on rosanna B1

[worthy knoll]

1 RL

[tropic summit]

oh wow faster than i thought

@keen vapor get rosanna

[worthy knoll]

Well that is assuming Rosanna has enough skill level on S1 to dispel whatever buffs the highest attack units have

[quick lake]

T1: Skip
T2: 2RL Noah SBS RH
T3: Moran Biscuit dps, or 2rl nukeeee

[forest solstice]

are you a returnee?

[upper grove]

140

Didn't pull much during collab

[quick lake]

Bless you

[upper grove]

[quick lake]

Hope u get ur gacha costume in 1 try next time

[bitter cipher]

Is noise, blanc, Alice, Emma, marciana a good stall team? Someone I fought had that team that’s why

[forest solstice]

oh okay lmao

[quick lake]

That's just a bad team

[bitter cipher]

That’s crazy

[upper grove]

Alice gacha when

[quick lake]

Should have put those lv1 R units

[uncut portal]

I kill 3rd team with SBS blanc Centi Trina(Just for burst gen) Jackal.

[covert lintel]

not with scarlet drunk and makima?

[uncut portal]

I think if I can't kill them in one shot they still got Invincible for 5 sec.

Opponent have higher sync than me.

[covert lintel]

[uncut portal]

I tried this team once and them got Invincible 5S.

Maybe because Trina S2 need to upgrade more than 7.

[covert lintel]

u can try change noir to lap+
so that biscuit die before scar burst

[quick lake]

Or run Moran + Biscuit

[uncut portal]

Trina also good for Moran too?

Or just for Scarlet?

[quick lake]

Mostly for scarlet. Moran trina still niche

[swift mango]

Well, if u hit a 2rl Noah, then it won't do any dmg.

If you hit p1 Noah+Biscuit, Noah already invincible before u burst

[wise horizon]

Looks alright? @tropic summit

[rich ledge]

is moran a more useful b1 generally than noise? i see now most people are mentioning moran

[quick lake]

Both are good. Pros and con; Moran taunt + more tanky, Noise higher burst gen + heals

[unkempt trail]

my scar with trina 400k cp can beat 700k cp team in rookie
granted the team werent great but that cp diff usually cant kill

[lusty gull]

i improved nikke deck ui, i think next features will be bullets count and handle feed burst gen on deck versus deck

[tulip quest]

depends on your COMP

and enemy comp

I still like noise better

[fast relic]

Hey all - just pulled and built Trina. These are my first two teams in SPA, third is CP bloat never burst.

Looking to see if there are any swaps or placement errors that I'm not thinking of. I don't have enough burst Gen characters built to make an effective SAnis team 3 yet

[glad meteor]

Try to swap rumani for centi.

P1 noise needs to be strong to tank

[sleek root]

Thy need to give Pepper a treasure, i need another "Rosanna" Another B1 killer

[fast relic]

Good point just as a backup B1. Would swapping noise to P5 help?

[fast relic]

Praying for a pepper treasure. Best booty in the game, tied with Frima

My Noise usually doesn't die, SR doll and full OL

[glad meteor]

You want noise to burst

[fast relic]

Right this would be keeping the current comp, so she's the only b1

[glad meteor]

Noah centi cindy helmt noise

[solid flare]

is 4.04 4.33 4.33 4.33 17% chsrge speed ?

[swift mango]

T1: Unless your Centi+Jackal both have above 13% CS at least, or if their Laplace isn't with treasure, no. Would lose. 3rl unprotected Scarlet vs 3rl Noah is terrible.

T2: is fine.

[keen vapor]

Overload huh? but Mari was the one who got 3 attack lines

[pale knoll]

Just to get benched

[keen vapor]

I put her on def but haven't received attacks yet

[pale knoll]

[keen vapor]

Is also useful to have on raids apparently

[pale knoll]

<@&946725432554836008>

[keen vapor]

Her att-
@modera

[pale knoll]

She got benched there too sadly

[keen vapor]

Oh c'mon, I tried to be fast

[pale knoll]

B2 position is too contested

[keen vapor]

As I was saying
Her attack is so high she gets linked instead of Noir in Scar jack

[pale knoll]

I'd rather use trina tbh

[keen vapor]

I DONT HAVE HER

[pale knoll]

Were you not a pvp enthusiast?

[keen vapor]

Maybe I should put her on P1

[keen vapor]

I did 44 pulls and no SSR

[pale knoll]

Oof, my condolences

[swift mango]

Depending on the specific boss.... Last raid boss doesn't have a core and not Elec weak.

[keen vapor]

People who invested Rouge didn't bench Mari tho

[pale knoll]

Her days are counted tbh, wouldn't recommend investing anymore into her

[swift mango]

You use Noir in ScarJack?

[bleak shale]

who got benched where?

[swift mango]

How is your synch level comparing to C7 of your bracket?

Rossana won't save your against CP difference.

If you Rossanna is MLB or core+ though, build her so you have another high CP unit.

If you wanted to improve your CP, maybe start with SR15 units like Scarlet and reroll their OL line for more CP if their total tiers 0n each piece below 20.

Oh and upgrade +1 to every of your units' pieces in DEF team.

I'm having no luck with minmaxing my Scarlet these days. Trina and ReiT is still in waiting room...

[keen vapor]

That's exactly why i got her burst to level 7

[keen vapor]

30-40 diff

[keen vapor]

Thought so

[keen vapor]

Nah, only one limit break

[tropic summit]

let's try this link killer

record it if you can

[keen vapor]

Forgot to reply@pale knoll

[swift mango]

Even my overall higher CP would be struggling to def against that unless they don't invest much in Arena like normally c7 would do... Get your core arena units to 101010 maybe, SR15 and high tier OL lines.

That's the real way to win.

Or just give up and focus on solo raid.

[tropic summit]

the rosanna idea is just because you could run 2 of my highest standing defenses:

in particular the first one wasn't broken for months, until CP padded against by whales

the second one my bracket for some reason never won until helmT happened

[keen vapor]

Well, Ig I should finally max Scarlet now that we have Trina

[keen vapor]

I won't focus on non 3% (I try everytime, I swear)

[swift mango]

People in my last bracket would break it in 1 day flat.

I mean, just 2RL Noah the ScarJack team. And ScarJack the Cindy team.

[tropic summit]

the dude above had all nikke minus helmT and trina as it was before their release, he was running 2RL noah team on def

[swift mango]

Maybe you out CP him.

That's the sure win way.

[tropic summit]

we on same synch

[swift mango]

Well, I'm out CP you on the same synch there, nothing impossible.

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor either way give those a shot, as long as you can get close to them, leave the rosanna one for now

also try the def i suggested you

might work might not, try it out for 24-48hrs

[swift mango]

He is the one on the left right?

[tropic summit]

opponent yup

yellow number are my synchro numbers

[swift mango]

Is he a spend player?

Look like one to me.

[tropic summit]

judging on skins he's a minor spender, because his synchro has been always around mine and never jumped too far

if anything not a whalerino

although his progress is far from desirable, been slacking

[bleak shale]

Nekopon

[keen vapor]

You guys know, I'm considering to use cases at this moment cuz I'm getting stuck on ch26

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown oi he's drunk right? i can't possibly be reading this right

[swift mango]

Yeah, his level is a bit lacking even for F2P.

He probably never gem claim or reroll dispatch.

Nor malding like Havel either

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

[pale knoll]

44% deficit

[swift mango]

100 gem for 10 hours core dust. And 100 gems back.

Reroll dispatch is kinda also improve your level overtime.

I guess this is what make first week F2P lv541+ or just 501+.

[tropic summit]

my bracket progress:

whale 1 and whale 2 have 52-55+ levels than me
whale 3 has 40+ levels than me
rival 1 and 2 are minor spender/f2p

[swift mango]

More progression mean little if you don't gem claim and reroll dispatch to take advantage of it.

[tropic summit]

go tell them

[swift mango]

You are the one with more progression now.

[tropic summit]

can't believe it is possible to whale wrong though, image being a p2p and spending wrong

[tropic summit]

i'm rerolling when 6+ items are bad on dispatch tho

not sure what you mean with gem claim tho

[swift mango]

Outpost claim

[tropic summit]

how many should you do per day then?

assuming you do this once per 10 days it's 1600 RD for 500 gems, doesn't seem very f2p friendly

[swift mango]

Only 50 every single day should give you additional 1 level every 2 months or more.

[tropic summit]

for the price of how many gems?

[swift mango]

3000 for one level.

[tropic summit]

yeah cut me out of that

[swift mango]

After 3 years I would be 20 lv gap whale comparing to you.

[tropic summit]

in 3 years those 2 whales have probably quit

[swift mango]

Only 3000 gems for 1 level I counted it wrong.

Just 1 ten pulls every 2 months.

Now if you claim 70 too, it would be 1 level difference every month.

[swift mango]

Yes

[tropic summit]

in this economy i'd still rather have 60 extra pull a year than a few levels

especially since RD costs will go up

collabs in particular this year have been gem sinks

[swift mango]

60*0=0.

Math for the ones who knows.

[swift mango]

Well, my roll dispatch follow different rule.

15 gems and 2 credit boxes are free for reroll off if my doll dispatch looks bad. Only 100% keep 20+ gem, 3 credit box, 2+ core dust boxes.

That's how I could improve my common dispatch along side doll dispatch as needed.

[eager mountain]

doll lines doesnt change gen line reroll priority, and each normal line obviously doesnt worth 15 gem and thus rerolling it is net loss, doubt if the 15 gem part changes even if reroll equivalent being compared to 70gem wipeout instead of 50, but u do u

[swift mango]

15 gems is worse than 2 core dust box.

And they have equal chance to appear

It's just gambling at the end of the day. If you put out the slot you have the chance to improve them, if you don't, you improve nothing.

[eager mountain]

them being equal chance doesnt change reroll priority, and cd being higher worth also doesnt indicate whether gem is unworth there
it doesnt take statistic nor calculus etc to know that, but u do u

[swift mango]

Like I said, if you reroll lots of time for doll, the slot would chance many times. If you are content with 2 credit box then it's just lost opportunity.

To get more.

You only have 10 slots totally. You can't get anymore if you keep the lower value.

And just reroll the doll dispatch only.

[eager mountain]

u do u, net loss, whether reroll or not is average value based not highest value based, reroll count doesnt change the average value rapidly but slowly and slower and slower
mulitple rerolls change constant not the exponent

[swift mango]

If I'm lucky with doll dispatch I obviously would keep the 2 credit and 15 gems. Otherwise, I put them out so I have 5 common dispatch slot to reroll for better value.

[swift mango]

It's not net loss because I do that to improve doll mats. Which are invaluable.

[eager mountain]

i only mention normal line rerolling there, thats auto assuming doll reroll worth scenario, for ur perspective

[swift mango]

I reroll doll mats so putting out worse value common dispatch to have the chance to improve them earned me back more of what I lost for spending more gem to keep on rerolling.

Sometime my 10/10 dispatch would fill with high value stuff by the time I'm done with doll dispatch reroll.

It's the way to lessen the net loss for rerolling for doll dispatch too much.

[eager mountain]

takes a ton of reroll to set the constant high enough to ignore certain originally high value lines, but u do u

[viscid urchin]

Much thanks for the SPA DEF suggestion yesterday @tropic summit . It’s going pretty damn well

[swift mango]

Because I do that when it takes tons of rerolls to get good value doll dispatch.

[eager mountain]

u do u

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

glad to see it working, try climbing higher now, aim for dia1 and lower challanger, CP allowing

[viscid urchin]

That’s a bit of tall order. From Diamond 2+ the CP average is 2.3 million. Challenger is like 3-4 million

[glacial lion]

[warm monolith]

Can someone help me win against this guy,i won the first one but lost the other two

[tropic summit]

their teams are mostly crap, but your main issue is CP

you can scar jack their T2 with some CP padding

[tropic summit]

the p3 can be flex, throw into whoever has high CP

multiply their team CP for 0.846 so you can tell the minimun CP you require

in their case it's 520k x 0.846 = 439.92k

with scar jack as long as your jackal and scarlet are on SR5+ you should be fine even with a tad of deficit

[warm monolith]

What is the websites name? And should i put naga(110k) for burst 2 or biscuit(52k)/blanc(57k)

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc flex helmT jackal

whoever has high CP, you want to B2 with blanc

[warm monolith]

Scarlet may die because she is first,are you sure?

[tropic summit]

she's linked with jackal, you'll receive 1/3rd of the dmg spread out to the 3 nikkes

in your case link is likely scarlet + helmT + jackal

[warm monolith]

I get 410k cp

[tropic summit]

as long as you're not on deficit, ensure that

[tropic summit]

you need 439k

[worthy knoll]

I pray Scar remains alive against RH, you also forgot Rosanna removes the link

[warm monolith]

I get to 418k i need more materials to build my units but im going for it to test

[tropic summit]

link is down even if rosanna dies within 2RL?

she's in p1

[tropic summit]

post your box, makes it easier

as we're only focusing on those 3 available teams

[worthy knoll]

Wdym? Is your plan to have Scar dead?

[warm monolith]

I dont know what post my box means

[tropic summit]

all of your nikke, first 3-4 lines are enough

we can tailor teams better if we've an overview of what you can run

[worthy knoll]

No more link in 1 RL while its on deficit, I don't think Scar can survive that

[tropic summit]

guess we can run a safer biscuit team then

their burst is so slow anything could do

7RL+, 6RL+

[warm monolith]

Its no much different than this but my jackal and noah is more invested now

[worthy knoll]

Just place Jackal on P1 and a defender on P5 with Biscuit unless you are confident whoever on P5 doesn't die while its on deficit

Its 2 SG tho

And another risk btw

If you invul too fast

Rosanna can dispel that too

Happened to me before

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit thank you that team worked

[tropic summit]

was going to suggest this in case, just leaving it here if you ever need to rerun it

[worthy knoll]

Did your Scar survive?

[tropic summit]

he probably bursted with the backup B3

also not confident scarlet would survive 3RL unlinked, although that was a ton of SG feed on p5 jackal

might've become 2RL

[warm monolith]

Thank you and these are who survived

My scarlet holded on lol

[tropic summit]

@worthy knoll raid boss scarlet

probably 2RL though

[warm monolith]

Naga power

[worthy knoll]

From that Rosanna numbers, I think it just died too fast

[tropic summit]

that was the gamble, but it was reasonable to also think for the worse

[worthy knoll]

Either that or Rosanna S1 is low level

[warm monolith]

I got my jackal skills to 7/7/6 what i should go for

[worthy knoll]

That HelmT numbers seems like its still linked to Jackal

[tropic summit]

considering opponent choice of rosanna in p1, i don't think we should expect much indeed

might've been an auto for all we know

[tropic summit]

jackal only needed 4/4/4 tho, a bit overcommited there

[warm monolith]

Should i reset it once i get my chance?

[tropic summit]

probably not a bad idea

[tropic summit]

when you're unsure how far you should go, prydwen in general has good recommendation

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/characters/jackal

[worthy knoll]

Wdym? Mine is 10/10/10?

[umbral belfry]

watching my bracket is so funny literally r2 changes everyday while me and r3 are just chilling

[warm monolith]

What is this websites name or you do this by yourself

[tropic summit]

oi

[tropic summit]

can use these sheets:

#pvp-arena message

or mobile friendly:

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[warm monolith]

Thank you

[worthy knoll]

Come to think of it.. this part.. I think this will only apply to me

[tropic summit]

wouldn't a 7/10/10 still do tho?

[worthy knoll]

Coz I'm prolly the only who would have a defender linked

Or at least one of the small minority

That experience was from my Nero

[tropic summit]

that cat scares me

@umbral belfry that one too

[worthy knoll]

That cat can survive a whole full burst at least while on deficit.. tho I'm still annoyed Trina's heal have some hp conditions

[tropic summit]

you kidding me, almost ate 10s of RH B3

was actually outhealing a tiny bit even

[worthy knoll]

If Trina heal was like Rapunzel, she would survive while even killing RH

2 RL Nero with max stacks and 100% DR is still a dream

[shell hazel]

if you had another b1 you'd be able to burst again there

throw in rapu and you can just revive nero and keep going 😄

[worthy knoll]

I was testing a 2 RL Nero setup

Thats why I removed Rapu, it wasn't 2 RL if Rapu is there

I can prolly just place Jackal there tho

Instead of Trina, but I was testing her S1

It was disappointing, no heals from her coz of the hp requirement

[tropic summit]

5 rocks

[tropic summit]

exactly 100%

needs rapu on quantum though no CS% needed on her... but the 38%CS emi is something else

now that'd be one hell of a stall team

even 2 burst rotations-able

with revive

maybe i should delete the post above

[shell hazel]

what post? 😄

[worthy knoll]

It needs the dream Emi tho

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-i-see-nothing-i-know-nothing-i-was-never-here-gif-18898031

[tropic summit]

indeed very expensive, then again keripo has emi on 38%CS

[worthy knoll]

Should I jump through this hell hole

[tropic summit]

that team might become one of the few that could truly be 99% win rate (on non deficit)

[worthy knoll]

I don't really mind tbh

[shell hazel]

if you add some CS to helm does it not lessen need for CS on emi?

[worthy knoll]

Tho my Issue with that team

Cindy will prolly kill it

[tropic summit]

iirc you could survive cindy nuke tho?

[worthy knoll]

2 waters

[tropic summit]

oh emi and helm will get hit hard true

[worthy knoll]

Yeah, but my Helm and Emi wouldn't

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

Merry's nikke are made of something else

well you've massive damage reduction stacks there with nero and moran

[worthy knoll]

I had one where my HelmT survived against a Noise buffed one

[tropic summit]

opponent gonna need a few elem atk black lines for those

[shell hazel]

0 rocks today, I needed one for Noah

[worthy knoll]

Come to think, how did my Helm survive that. It was a max core Ciindy

Oh I saw it, Nero killed Noise

Oh wait it was Helm

[tropic summit]

oh ye noise didn't get to b1

damn your laplace hurts

high on elem atk?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah it was helm, Noise still had a smidget of hp left after Nero burst

[worthy knoll]

Yeah 100%+

[shell hazel]

looked like their cindy burst before anyone died though

[worthy knoll]

Nah, my B3 already done before Rapu bursted

Noise died and got revived by Rapu

[shell hazel]

ahhhh

[worthy knoll]

You can see the heal numbers of Rapu after the full burst wall showed up

[shell hazel]

yeah that makes more sense

[eager mountain]

why would they noise b1 with bis

[shell hazel]

TiBi, interested in your opinion on probality for doll upgrades

I've run the numbers by AI and it seems to prefer the SR-0 doll upgrade path on average luck/number of tries, which I find interesting

[eager mountain]

show ai answers?

[shell hazel]

my question was this:

With average luck, how many tries are needed to advance to the maximum level on each system?

System 1:

Each level is 1000 XP
Levels start at 0, and the max is 15.
At each try, there is a small chance to get "super success", which advances to the next nearest level at specific steps in one try. These are levels 5, 10, 15.
Level 15 doesn't need to progress beyond 0 XP.

Super Success rates for system 1:

Level 0 = 17.60%
Level 1 = 20.80%
Level 2 = 24.00%
Level 3 = 27.20%
Level 4 = 40.00%
Level 5 = 16.00%
Level 6 = 19.20%
Level 7 = 22.40%
Level 8 = 27.20%
Level 9 = 40.00%
Level 10 = 14.40%
Level 11 = 17.60%
Level 12 = 22.40%
Level 13 = 27.20%
Level 14 = 40.00%

System 2:

Each level is 3000 XP
Levels start at 0, and the max is 5.
At each try, there is small chance to get super success, which advances to the next nearest level at specific steps in one try. As the max level is 5 this is the only possible jump.
Level 5 doesn't need to progress beyond 0 XP.

Level 0 = 3.60%
Level 1 = 5.90%
Level 2 = 7.80%
Level 3 = 11.30%
Level 4 = 15.00%```

[tropic summit]

i've attempted going from sr0 just once, it was SBS, had absolutely the worst odds ever

any other nikke i went from R15 to SR5 was a far better experience

it could be a single case bias ofc, but ever since then it's taboo

[shell hazel]

my logic here is that even if the expected average is similar, bad luck on the lower rates of SR dolls would be much more keenly felt

[eager mountain]

and maths in ai answer?

[shell hazel]

funnily enough, different on re-asking the same question...

i'm asking it to think some more

[unkempt kestrel]

im planning to build scarlet rn. does scarlet really need 3x ammo for pvp with bastion?

[shell hazel]

I may have caused it to die 😄

[dire root]

Blanc makes this fight impossible right?

[bleak shale]

u got a biscuit?

[dire root]

Nope.

[bleak shale]

do u have ur own blanc?

[dire root]

Nope.

[bleak shale]

best bet is probably try to wipe him by going faster than

[dire root]

I don't think I can build a higher burst team

[bleak shale]

his team is mega slow

• he has a shotgun+ar feeding u

[dire root]

I actually attempted this fight once and got wiped

blanc just stalled my burst and then I got murdered

[tropic summit]

he's on 14,9% deficit btw

[dire root]

It really feels like blanc should need burst activation to activate immunity

[spiral onyx]

You tell me chat

[dire root]

oh I fired my gun like 3 times this guy is now immune for 20 seconds

[bleak shale]

its probably because ur using rh into a blanc, u want something aoe if possible

[tropic summit]

imagine when he finds out

[bleak shale]

but might run into CP issues

did u pull trina to replace anis?

[shell hazel]

https://x.com/i/grok/share/NTHxpPZeAb2x7FvG7p7Z8ofaz - but this isn't the same as a previous ask of the same question

[dire root]

Wouldn't the AOE need to one shot, if not then all the nikkes would just be stuck shooting the first nikke again and then lose.

[tropic summit]

post ur box

makes it easier to cook whatever is available for that 4RL team

anything that kills blanc within 3RL should do

[bleak shale]

yes

[tropic summit]

remove filters, nikke ordered by strength please

and deselect them from teams temporarely

makes it easier to tell investiment

[shell hazel]

just get from main nikke screen not the pvp one

[dire root]

Does scarlet black shadow counter blanc?

with her AOE

[bleak shale]

yes and no

[tropic summit]

dude has reiT

what's reiT investiment?

[bleak shale]

u will kill the rest of his team but the last unit can wipe u if ur not tanky enough

[tropic summit]

4/4/4 might do tbf

[bleak shale]

does ur anis have higher cp than ur trina?

[dire root]

Yeah

apparently I made anis a 4/4/4 at some point.

[bleak shale]

did u equip trina with basic gear?

[tropic summit]

check CP with this, it's 2RL with feed you taking

[dire root]

Right so like this account hasn't been farming EX that long so there is a small gear shortage, not enough T9 for everyone I could shuffle gear around if need be.

[umbral belfry]

another day of no t9m for my mains

but at least my scarlet trina team will be ready soon

[dire root]

I did my first 3 AI today and got nothing

[tropic summit]

all is the will of the gods, surely you'll be rewarded at some point

[dire root]

not even a rock

[oak gale]

WOOO IM NOT MODERNIALESS ANYMOREE- @tropic summit

wait what am i doin

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[tropic summit]

now MW got a bit easier

[pale knoll]

@ moderators

[tropic summit]

[worthy knoll]

I'm curious how Noah Trina RRH Centi Jackal will fare, ofc while not on penalty if you can

[shell hazel]

@Modernias

[tropic summit]

@dire root you check this yet for CP?

#pvp-arena message

[oak gale]

as in main story?

[oak gale]

[tropic summit]

motherwhale

[oak gale]

oh ye that boss thing

[dire root]

The ranking changed around and I lost the team before I could attempt it again.

The teams that replaced them were much easier.

[dire root]

Also I was going to ask, wouldn't red hoods burst II trigger instead of noah? Wouldn't this be sure death for the team if Cindy's burst fired?

[eager mountain]

first prompt equation is completely wrong
2nd prompt r doll part has issues

[dire root]

and just in general Noah's burst is much more useful then red hoods burst II

trina my bad

Trina's burst would fire instead of noah

[tropic summit]

sir, check again burst order

[tropic summit]

yup

[worthy knoll]

If you are aiming for the kill, Trina is better over Noah

[tropic summit]

we using noah just for burst gen and padding there

[shell hazel]

taking AI out of the equation, as I just use it because I am a noob on probability, what is the actual answer? 😄

I assume your superior probability skills can work it out where AI seems to get confused by it

[dire root]

Oh right to buff Rei's nuke, I was thinking more in terms of a drawn out fight, Noah would be the best burst for some one like red hood.

[tropic summit]

you want to end that fight pre blanc indom

[dire root]

if you were using reds burst III

[tropic summit]

reiT will nuke jackal and linked units hard due to elem weak, although the main goal is killing blanc to prevent B2 and B3 from even happening

[dire root]

Her indom activates super fast

I think one nikke is living no matter what

[tropic summit]

it does not, you're 1RL faster if you're not feeding their jackal

stop considering blanc as unkillable and auto win, it isn't

2 example of indom just getting kited

[rancid kernel]

Does anyone know what the meta team is for pvp

need help creating a team for rookie arena have almost all the characters

[eager mountain]

🤔 imma do it my own in a bit ig
r15 cost also need to consider opportunity cost of not using dolls for merge that returns mat lol

[dire root]

Man how did they get into diamond 1? It must be with combat power alone I'm not the best at PvP team building yet but this looks horrible on their side.

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

for rookie prefer 2RL teams

[rancid kernel]

which charaters are those

[shell hazel]

yeah I did consider that, though even then it's either 4 dolls for 10 gold, 20 purple, or another SR doll (which many say winds up being useless later)

[tropic summit]

yes you can beat those blindfold

[shell hazel]

curious what your maths looks like on it

[eager mountain]

since sr doll value can'T be approximated into kit equivlent, and sr doll will eventually reach surplus, ignore the sr doll gain for the long run yes

[tropic summit]

try any of these, rotate them if it loses

Team 2 requires scarlet to be 1st or 2nd highest atk%, else replace helmT with any other battery (trina, anis, rumani)

[rancid kernel]

ok thanks

[rancid kernel]

is this for special or does it work with rookie arena?

[tropic summit]

you asked for rookie, those are for rookie

[rancid kernel]

ok got it

[shell hazel]

also centi is in 3 teams 😄

[tropic summit]

it's rookie teams, read.

[shell hazel]

I know, it's why it can't be sp-arena 😄

unless we got cloning approved

[tropic summit]

imagine 3 helmT

[rancid kernel]

is the rookie different from special as in the team comp wise?

[shell hazel]

I don't really rec setting rookie def to sp-arena def personally

[tropic summit]

very different, in rookie it's 1 team you can merge anything in, 3 teams you gotta spread your power

[rancid kernel]

is there a specific team comp for special as well if you don't mind sharing

[shell hazel]

because people can be in your bracket for both and you just give them free tries on one of your sp-arena defs

[tropic summit]

yes, do combinations of this based on your investiment

#pvp-arena message

scar-jack
noah
stall/CP padd

[shell hazel]

[rancid kernel]

thanks

[eager mountain]

should be something like sigma (previous fail rate)*(average success rate)*mat for each lv and convert it to intervals
should be similar to what ai done
gonna finish up some other stuff then run it

[tropic summit]

whatever you guys are cookin'

[shell hazel]

doll upgrade probabilities 😄

people often say go to R-0 first it's better but I've actually not seen the proof on it at least

[tropic summit]

oh ye if you can prove it doesn't matter go for it

[shell hazel]

AI has given me 3 totally different answers so far 😄

[tropic summit]

AI be like that sometimes

once got 4 different KBs to solve an issue with powershell

3 out of 4 didn't work, the last one suggested finally worked

[shell hazel]

both are the same total XP but clearly super success rates at each level differ + the 3 stages of success you need for R-0 matters

[shell hazel]

just sfc /scannow

always rec fixes, never seen it fix anything 😄

[tropic summit]

DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

"corruption files have been found and couldn't be fixed"

solution: reinstall the OS

way too often...

root cause: windows updates

[shell hazel]

if my machine starts playing up too much I just wipe and reset it 😛

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

we use Intune, wipe it from Intune admin centre, then I just sign back in and I'm back up and running in like an hour

apps get pushed out etc, all config deployed

user docs redirect to OneDrive as I work so don't even lose those 😛

[tropic summit]

oh for PC yeah

[shell hazel]

yeah, I don't use macs

[tropic summit]

intune is pretty common in my company aswell

[shell hazel]

if I get forced to use a Mac at least I can sort of use Terminal a bit, my NAS at home uses Ubuntu

so some stuff is familiar there, but otherwise I am lost in Mac OS 😄

[tropic summit]

i'm gonna have to make an old PC of mine into probably ubuntu since win10 is gonna end this year

[shell hazel]

it's the cmd line only version

I have to use SSH to get into it

[rustic sandal]

Tryna flesh out a rookie and special arena team(s), I've been reading guides and stuff and from what I can see im missing like every defender/taunt char (And alot of other meta chars who have no replacment?)

So just seeing if anybody sees some easy quick teams that are more solid than just running my campaign team.

[hidden wind]

Anyone got an idea for Noah Biscuit Sanis Cinderella Noise?

Been beating my head on it for a bit

a team against

[tropic summit]

you can snipe noise

their chain falls apart

[hidden wind]

ooh, how?

[tropic summit]

you dealing with a very slow team and snipers hit from p5 instead of p1 (in reverse)

RH B1 + B3 with helmT also shooting p5 will take care of noise early

after that it's just cleanup work

alternate approach, the glass cannon option:

this team will wipe everything besides noah

you'll cleanup afterward

[hidden wind]

this team did it! Thank you!

Glad I invested in Helm >.>

[tropic summit]

yes, anyone at this point should've helmT on stage 2 and at least s1 lvl 10

she doubles down as sustain enabler and link killer

while being the best battery in game...

[bleak shale]

meanwhile my s1 is on lvl 7

[tropic summit]

budget must be tight

[bleak shale]

yep

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/helm-nikke-burger-goddess-of-victory-nikke-eating-burger-gif-8058528734093965755

[bleak shale]

i need skill resetters

[hidden wind]

game needs to give us more ways to get books

[shell hazel]

that would be nice, but not sure they'll bother 😄

[bleak shale]

scale up OC to make infinite give more books

tbh if they gave me more resets i would be semi happy

[tropic summit]

imagine being a whale and doing this, new lows hit

i think i finally pissed them off

dude checking every hour or scripting now

[shell hazel]

should rat him just before the reset

then they'll have to gem to take it back the next day

🐀

[tropic summit]

already did, but it's meaningless

they've endless source of gems

will hit as many times as needed

[shell hazel]

or just keep pestering 😄

random times

[tropic summit]

i was using him to gain extra points since he's rank 1 over my real enemy being rank 3

now that he's checking every hour i'll switch to ch2 or ch3 itself

once he stops sweating i'll hit back tho

[shell hazel]

rotate targets

guy in 5th in my bracket seems to occasionally wake up and strike at people, but always winds up back at 5th pretty quickly

also doesn't seem to want to try and hold 4th for some reason, probably could

[tropic summit]

on the other hand, support has been pretty lenient on another dude who's putting racist/offensive slurs in their description (this is the 3rd warning)

reset of self-description and "another warning"...

[shell hazel]

I don't really know why they even let people add something there

at best it's meh and no one reads them anyway, at worst people just post stupid stuff

[tropic summit]

i wouldn't have noticed because i also don't usually read those, was checking their progress and there was an obvious racist insult

if anything ever since the warnings they stopped

would've prefered them temporarely banning him even just for 24hrs, as that sends a much better lesson

[eager mountain]

what did they even put

[tropic summit]

was a chinese red warrior insulting "foreigners" with words I can't say here

[wanton island]

wait...people are petty enough to be racist in their description?

[signal hull]

OR, here's a better idea, you could stop being an effing snowflake sjw and leave the guy alone?

[wanton island]

kinda how we did it in the late 90s

[tropic summit]

~~why? the dude has been getting ch1 every single season since 9 months, surely he can sit one out or at least deal with it ~~

Oh, you meant the Chinese lad? Nah, I think he could learn to use a minimum of decorum.

[wanton island]

idgaf. im too old to care these days

[eager mountain]

u can dm me the pic i wonder tf it is lol

[tropic summit]

he changed it and i no longer have it, but i did send the reports so maybe those pics are stored somewhere

[eager mountain]

done with the sr doll cost, now running the r doll ver that is longer

[umbral belfry]

skill lv10

[grand plaza]

Yeah just saw it thanks :D

[umbral belfry]

oh it's gone

[tropic summit]

means this in particular

[grand plaza]

Nice timing haha

[tropic summit]

since those 2 thresholds give her different burst gen

[grand plaza]

Thanks

[white compass]

Am I being dumb giving Moran the defense cube?

Endurance. Def up

[upper zephyr]

can someone help create me 3 teams for SP arena, im getting fed up trading places with some people, this is the nikkes i got to work with (organised by power)

[wise horizon]

Good thing you caught it as those things shouldn’t be tolerated.

[upper zephyr]

its like 1 big yoyo, in champ then could be d1 or d2, sometimes going as low as d3, im starting to get really tired of this rubbish lol

[eager mountain]

@shell hazel @tropic summit
the average cost is calculated by average cost of each tries(10 blue mat)
using previously assumed formula ∑ (previous fail rate)*(success rate)*mat
for instance, 1st try success rate of sr doll is 0.036, hence it's 1st try's costs (1-0.036)^(1-1)*0.036*1
2nd try would be (1-0.036)^(2-1)*0.036*2
those are low numbers because it chances are low
to make it easlier to understand but at the cost of a long list of numbers and signs....
n=1-15 for each level, and 2nd level and so on accounts fail rate from previous levels
the whole thing for sr5 doll part would be:
∑(from 1 to 15) [(1-0.036)^(n-1)*0.036*(n+15*0)]+
∑(from 1 to 15) [(1-0.036)^15*(1-0.059)^(n-1)*0.059*(n+15*1)]+
∑(from 1 to 15) [(1-0.036)^15*(1-0.059)^15*(1-0.078)^(n-1)*0.078*(n+15*2)]+
∑(from 1 to 15) [(1-0.036)^15*(1-0.059)^15*(1-0.078)^15*(1-0.113)^(n-1)*0.113*(n+15*3)]+
∑(from 1 to 15) [(1-0.036)^15*(1-0.059)^15*(1-0.078)^15*(1-0.113)^15*(1-0.15)^(n-1)*0.15*(n+15*4)]=
20.1953005441tries

same idea for the r15 part, but with some number changes it would be
∑(from 1 to 5) [(1-0.176)^(n-1)*0.176*(n+5*0)]+
∑(from 1 to 5) [(1-0.176)^5*(1-0.208)^(n-1)*0.208*(n+5*1)]+ ...
sum those for 3 super success intervals, fail rate resets past 5lv , its 16.9662128716tries

now account r doll cost, assume 1 sr mat = 3 r mat and 1 ssr mat = 7 r mat cuz get lazy but it should be similar:
(0.55**3*20+0.3*7*10)/(4*10)=1.35tries

16.9662128716 + 1.35 = 18.3162128716tries

so its indeed a bit cheaper, and slighest change it mat convertion would barely affect the number
and note that the r5 is more stable meaning that it less likely to have extreme lows and highs aka less intensive rng bs
so mat cost distribution graph would be diff

[grizzled bone]

updated pins favourite item season 2 with a lazy note about Helm, and Keripo's Trina showcase video

haven't worked on FAQ at all, sorry guys. Life's been busy

[shell hazel]

alright so it's not insane but on average r doll should be cheaper to level up

[eager mountain]

the math part isnt really tricky right? only using sigma no bs there

[shell hazel]

it's a bit above my head tbh 😄

but I trust your numbers

but good to know that on average going from r-doll is the right move if you can

thanks for taking the time to check it as I was curious if it won 🙂

[eager mountain]

there additional opportunity cost for stacking r dolls, but ignored just like sr doll for the long run
still cheaper regardless

[eager mountain]

more importantly, the r doll is more stable, while the sr doll is more rng intensive with lows and highs

[shell hazel]

yeah you can also scale it up in stages better

I have Noah on R-10 atm waiting for more blue materials, but it's 2/3rds of the way to the end and can sit there for now

[upper zephyr]

My current 3 teams are:

dkw crown priv maid naga sanis

noah liter emilia anis cindy

jackal biscuit alice scarlet centi

idk if any upgrades are to be made here or no

[shell hazel]

your teams seem odd

who cooked em up?

#pvp-arena message

[upper zephyr]

its been like that for a while

maybe recommended from an old patch

[shell hazel]

it's not really a surprise you can't hold anything with those teams

check the message I linked it has common SPA teams worth running

treasure helm with s1 at 10 is also a great unit to get built for pvp if you can

[upper zephyr]

i see 2 main problems, no rh and no treasure helm yet

[shell hazel]

new unit Trina can take her place in Scarlet team sort of

as she boosts Scarlet dps a lot

man all those cores and no RH

[upper zephyr]

ik, one of the few i still have yet to get

[shell hazel]

ideally you want to avoid high feed units, like SG/MG

that's why Centi / Rumani etc work well as batteries

high burst gen and no feed

[swift mango]

Today I got lucky with doll dispatch so didn't reroll them. But 6 bad items on common dispatch. So I hit reroll and it was a net lost of 15 gems. Remind me why I never did dispatch reroll before the doll system.

[upper zephyr]

Im just going to wait till she is in standard banner, i want to save as much as i can for the new pilgrim, i want to try and max core if its another meta unit

[bleak shale]

max core pilgrim

[shell hazel]

i'm going for Trina, I'll just mileage the new unit

and hope the next banners are a skip 😄

[bleak shale]

i just hope they can stop making me pull 100 times for 1 copy

[shell hazel]

amen

not so bad but I can get that and wind up with no other SSR as well lol

[upper zephyr]

I already got enough to 2 mileage, but im hoping my rng is good and i can get atleast mlb without them

[shell hazel]

so 100 pulls and nothing but the unit, I still missing a bunch of nikke gimme some random new ones game 😄

I learnt from rapi banner that my RNG is not good as it took 280 pulls to get 1 rapi

[upper zephyr]

Ill try not to jinx it but my rng has been alright, it hasnt taken me ages to get atleast 1 copy on banners (maybe thats why rh still eludes me)

[shell hazel]

I don't know if you can really build a scarlet team without RH or Trina

so maybe you can build a team around Cindy / Noah, and the other one with Blanc / SBS or Moran / S.Anis

and 3rd team probably just stack CP high and make it annoying to attack

[upper zephyr]

Yh, ill probably do that. Get 2 setup well then throw together highest cp team for the third

[shell hazel]

Cindy Teams (Not as good post-nerf)
Noah Centi Cindy Anis Rumani (2RL)
Noah/Centi Biscuit Cindy Emilia Rumani (2.5RL)
Noah Centi Cindy Biscuit Noise/Liter (3RL)
Rumani Biscuit Cindy ClipSG ClipSG (3RL)

Blanc Teams
Blanc SBS Biscuit Emi/Laplace.T/xMaiden Rumani (3RL)
Blanc SAnis Biscuit Emi/Laplace.T/xMaiden Rumani (3RL)
Blanc SBS/SAnis Biscuit ClipSG Rumani (3RL)
Blanc SBS/SAnis Biscuit flex Pepper

SAnis Teams
Moran Biscuit SAnis Emilia Rumani/Centi (3RL)
Moran Biscuit SAnis Laplace/xMaiden Rumani/Centi (3RL)
Moran Biscuit SAnis ClipSG Rumani/Centi (3RL)

out of the link I sent, but some form of these may work

be careful with Jackal, good burst gen but links DPS, not mentioned here as usually you run Jackal with Scarlet/RH

also if you have un-built units that lack CP, may have to consider swapping them a bit for CP reasons

I don't run old Anis on mine due to cp, don't really want to invest in her unless I have to

[upper zephyr]

Damn the one cindy team i have everyone, screws up sanis or blanc team cause i cant use biscuit

Im starting to see that im lacking a few meta pvp characters now

[shell hazel]

whatever you run check the speeds over here https://nikke-deck.web.app/

8pm reset

well, 8pm for me lol

meant the daily 😛

[quick lake]

Just mathed, Tempering still better. Even with Moran's s1, still not enough defence. Unless u can total def% up till like 600-700%+ then def cube is better

[shell hazel]

you can run this if your anis is somewhat invested

and your rumani exists

[upper zephyr]

no rumani lol

[shell hazel]

you need Helm tr probably tbh also frees up Biscuit for elsewhere

[eager mountain]

🤔 tho does it account sustain dmg recieved
nuke isnt the biggest issue imo

[shell hazel]

then you can run Cindy comp with Helm tr

[umbral belfry]

is this the right placement for a link team? alice has more atk than scar rn but I'm bursting with scar

[grand plaza]

Which one do you think is better?

[shell hazel]

she may link with Rapi hood lol

[upper zephyr]

Blanc SBS/SAnis Biscuit flex Pepper

what flex could this be, like cindy?

[shell hazel]

you need to check the atk values

[umbral belfry]

F I forgot about rrh she has more atk than scar too

[shell hazel]

flex as in clip RL or clip SG prob

[bleak shale]

did u calculate that off def cube being additive to the 400% out of curiosity

[quick lake]

Realised Moran
s1 -> 300% def up
def cube -> 48% def up
OL -> 50% def up
Sakura OG -> 80% def

kekeke

[bleak shale]

and did u include moran burst to the DR

[quick lake]

Yeah, I added

[quick lake]

Oh i didnt take into account her b3 DR

[bleak shale]

DR is also exponential growth so it might be a little bit more than shown there

[upper zephyr]

for now because it does look like im missing a few key current pvp meta characters i could run my rookie team
noah scarlet liter centi jackal
Blanc SBS/SAnis Biscuit cindy Pepper

[bleak shale]

like 50% dr vs 75% dr = 1/2 dmg to 1/4 dmg

[quick lake]

I added the def% up into (ATK)-(Def ++++)

[upper zephyr]

then team 3 will just be high cp team

[shell hazel]

liter provides some feed though

[quick lake]

yeah, DR seems better unless u have some giga def buff which completely offsets opponent's attack values

[shell hazel]

also that is not a cindy team or sbs team it's some weird hybrid team 😄

[bleak shale]

i think the only def case i can think of is moran

[upper zephyr]

hey, it might work lol

[bleak shale]

which is why i was thinking burst dr scaling added xD

[shell hazel]

cindy feels a bit pointless unless she is bursting

you take her for the nuke

[quick lake]

Maybe if we have another good def up unit buffer

[upper zephyr]

what if i choose both sbs and sanis in that team then and use cindy in team 3?

[bleak shale]

just get mirror chamber as a nikke

450% def up ez

[quick lake]

[grand plaza]

I am not sure if 10k cp reduction is worth it

[upper zephyr]

hmm, blanc and pepper are both not invested properly so they are 10k lower then the other pvp team

[shell hazel]

I'd probably just run a Cindy 3RL team if you lack the units to speed it up

[upper zephyr]

what a mess this is

[shell hazel]

ice maiden or noir or another clip SG P4

Emilia may also work there (p4)

[umbral belfry]

is this the right placement then?

[shell hazel]

this should leave you with Biscuit for SBS team

[graceful grotto]

I would put Blanc at pos 2 in this case

To avoid rapipi taking too much dmg and Blanc applied her skill on her instead

[umbral belfry]

[graceful grotto]

But why rapipi? I would rather put liter if you're looking for dmg or tHelm if you're looking for burst gen

[umbral belfry]

cp wise, rrh has more cp than my liter by nearly 20k

[graceful grotto]

Ah so it's CP padding

[umbral belfry]

eventually once I finish my helmt I'll be getting a new team, these are temp tea s

[graceful grotto]

@quick lake I finally got red hood but yet not building her yet lol

Gonna focus on Trina OL first then prolly her then drake or smth

[quick lake]

Congrats!!!

Finally can use her in campaign

[shell hazel]

for other team @upper zephyr consider this
Jackal is a bit unconventional here I think but you need a b1 with decent burst gen

[graceful grotto]

Indeed, but she's gonna be mainly used for SR for now until I manage to get some good OL on her

Otherwise CP drop is way too heavy

[upper zephyr]

could i swap noir for some else?

[shell hazel]

Noir / IceMaiden / Emilia etc should kind of fit same slot

b soda works here as well

you just need a decent clip SG

who did you have in mind?

[upper zephyr]

well i got emilia there, but could also do priv maid or sanis?

[graceful grotto]

Isn't a 21% charged speed Emilia the second highest burst gen?

If u have Emilia, she's the top choices for sure

Highest burst gen while also not feeding like SG unit

[shell hazel]

I don't have S.Anis so unsure how she compares, but I'd use Emi in either my team 1 or team 2 examples above for p4

#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message

then you just need to fill the other in with someone else

in these xmaiden / noir are sort of placeholders for clip SG/burst gen unit

so you can use Emi as a cp balance as well, if she's invested some

[graceful grotto]

Both Sanis and mpriv are not clip

Their burst gen is mediocre, so unless CP padding or using Sanis as a DPS, there's no reason to slot them in

[umbral crown]

Its a sigm

[shell hazel]

these I guess if any are strong enough

[upper zephyr]

okay so team 1 is now noah centi cindy naga noise
team 2 is now blanc sbs biscuit emilia jackal
team 3 is just highest cp left so crown liter scarlet rrh alice

[umbral crown]

If he opens all, he would nlt be having troubles but boxes issues

[shell hazel]

Naga isn't clip SG either

[graceful grotto]

Is ur Naga CP high?

[upper zephyr]

yes

[shell hazel]

she may work in a pinch though

[upper zephyr]

naga is just shy of 115k, if i change to someone like noir for example im losing 50k cp there

[shell hazel]

yup don't do that lol

[graceful grotto]

Then oh welp

[shell hazel]

you're still 3RL

just a bit slower than before, but cp > all sometimes

[upper zephyr]

thats why with the original pepper blanc team I was unsure about because they are 40-50k currently while everyone else who is atleast semi built is sitting around 70-90k with my main campaign pushers sitting above 100k

[grand plaza]

Sorry but quick question, putting Cind to p1 give too much burst to the enemies?

[shell hazel]

blanc worth building a bit

useful in pve as well (raids)

pepper is flex b1 mine isn't built either

[upper zephyr]

blanc and noise need some investing, but thats not to big of a problem

[shell hazel]

wishlist Rumani

[upper zephyr]

2 pvp characters to invest in is alot easier then the 6 options i had earlier lol

[shell hazel]

yeah feel ya

[upper zephyr]

yh, with alice at max core anyways in the next 4 10 standard pulls i can swap her out for rumani

[shell hazel]

I'd swap out someone for her as soon as you can she is one of the best burst gens we have

and build treasure helm when you can similar reason

and lets you flex your teams a bit better

[upper zephyr]

would it still be worth investing in noise then if i did end up pulling rumani, i'd imagine she would be replaced in the cindy team

[shell hazel]

rumani would more likely swap with Naga in the other team as things stand

no harm to get noise to OK level of investment, don't need to go super over-board on her necessarily

basic skills and some OL at least

[quick lake]

4/4/7, 4OL

[graceful grotto]

It will feed opponent burst gen yes

I won't say too much but it does fed

[graceful grotto]

Noise?

[quick lake]

yeah budget noise

[graceful grotto]

I only have her at 4 4 4 lmao

Ain't got enough to pump her skill

[shell hazel]

same atm

[quick lake]

We all lacking mats

[graceful grotto]

Did u guys 4 4 4 rumani?

Or leave her at 1 1 1?

[shell hazel]

I would, if I had Rumani lol

4 skills isn't that bad

I 4/4/4 all my pvp team units basically

[quick lake]

Mine 4/4/1 no mats

[graceful grotto]

Hahaha dw I didn't even use rumani and centi on my latest defense

[shell hazel]

seems she is less needed now though with units like Trina - but still burst 1 role

[graceful grotto]

B1 role wise still decent

In pvp b1 are mostly

Jackal
Noise
Rapunzel
Rumani
Red Hood
Rosanna
xMica
Moran

[quick lake]

Moran

xMica kinda dead too

[strange linden]

SP arena really is so bad, there's no way DEF can win without big cp diff

[umbral crown]

1/1/1

[quick lake]

yeah, getting worse imo. Much easier to win

[strange linden]

my whole top 10 just beat everyone in one atk, they don't bother changing def anymore

[bleak shale]

i 444 anyone ima use

[graceful grotto]

Man I forget her, and she's just buffed with Trina too

[coarse solstice]

No Noah = Impossible to defend

[bleak shale]

noah = still impossible to defend

[umbral crown]

Kinda about to reset xmica if we get tix on 2.5 anni

[quick lake]

Bay stocks kinda rising though

[coarse solstice]

At least with Noah you can gap with CP and have a chance

[bleak shale]

just hard gap some1 by being 200sync over ez defense

lad could put 5 rare nikkes i still wont be able to hit

[graceful grotto]

Hmm with Trina I honestly think she's just dropping

[pale knoll]

How come

[graceful grotto]

We getting more B2 pvp now

[bleak shale]

tons of aoe teams

[strange linden]

at this point, since we have so many good pvp units now
would it be too much to make it a requirement to beat all 3 teams to win?

[bleak shale]

reiT, scarlet with trina now, cindy

when bay came out the scarriest aoe was scarlet and maybe bsoda/kilo

[quick lake]

Against Cindy just run 2RL Scar Trina
Against Scar Trina, run Bay
Free Noah for 3rd team

[quick lake]

This would be great, but i doubt they'll change spa. Maybe CA... if it comes

[bleak shale]

basically the more aoe teams in the meta comes the more aoe defense we need

noah and bay r aoe defense

[strange linden]

honestly, that would screw me a lot but at this point it's really boring

[keen vapor]

Don't say that

[quick lake]

Rosanna stonks also rising, cause now we need B1 and 2 nukers

[bleak shale]

xmidca

[keen vapor]

[quick lake]

Best Scar Trina team probably:
Scar Trina THelm Rosanna Jackal

If Scar is not SR15, rosanna gonna one shot and who's gonna sr15 scar

[raven plover]

how about miranda treasure

[bleak shale]

no books for rosanna

[strange linden]

what about Emilia comp or Sanis comp

[bleak shale]

go pve with sw

[graceful grotto]

Do you need jackal? Can we make noise?

[quick lake]

Can even use Centi or Rumani there

[keen vapor]

Idk, there should best uses for Helm attack damage on full burst

[umbral crown]

Not me for now

[quick lake]

true true, agreed

[bleak shale]

the boost and the burst gen are a kinda weird pair imo it feels like we pick 1 or the other unless its specifically scarlet blanc rh helm jackal

since aoe teams dont benefit from it

and aoe teams worry about burst gen more than non aoe teams(aside from noah/bay block)

[raven plover]

[tropic summit]

so either gamble with high and low, or go for a more stable less shaky approach

considering my average luck in this game when it comes to RNG things (rocks, pulls) i'll stick with stable

as it's mostly low than high for me 🤨

[tropic summit]

my personal rule is:

6+ items are bad, reroll once
settle with whatever comes after

9 times out of 10 i get extra RD or credit boxes, with some return in gems and still 1 or 2 shiet item, might be just luck tho

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind emi liter
scarlet blanc rh bsoda jackal
noah biscuit sbs rrh helmT

quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on blanc, biscuit
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube available

notes: raise your CP on noise and get rumani, aim for updated teams in the table to the right, once she's ready
notes2: scarlet team can be faster if you wanna commit 2 clip RL to it, although it still will be enough to force a noah, else get emi to 21%CS

[upper zephyr]

no rh so cant do middle team

[tropic summit]

that's fine, use a more toned down version till you get her

liter will replace RH, dkw will replace liter
you're then replacing dkw with noise and once RH is found replace liter with RH

either that or just run trina variation for scarlet 2RL with jackal

(if you planning to get her)

[unkempt kestrel]

does scarlet need 3× Max Ammo? It says its essential on prydwen but I was wondering if this is the case for pvp?

[tropic summit]

ammo x3 won't save you against stall teams, not as good as having x4 atk% instead

[upper zephyr]

the team that i agreed with a couple of people earlier was
noah centi cindy naga noise
blanc sbs biscuit emilia jackal
crown liter scarlet rrh alice (high cp team)

Im missing a few key pvp meta characters atm, im not pulling trina until she is in normal banner as i plan to throw all gems and saved tickets into the new pilgrim if she is meta, no rumani yet, no rh and currently no treasure on helm

[unkempt kestrel]

oo is like 1x ammo good enough? assuming once u burst, the enemy is dead. or 0x ammo is fine?

[tropic summit]

sure you can try both the ones you got earlier and this one, stick with whatever gives you more succesful defs

[tropic summit]

reason that x3 ammo indom scarlet won't save you is because people have access to this

scarlet can have infine ammo for all you care, she won't do snap in 10s

will do better against weaker stall teams, but that depends on how dumb your opponent is

and if you relying on indom scarlet to finish whatever is left alive post nuke

[unkempt kestrel]

ohh I was just thinking if I should reroll my OL lines for AMMO. I will just aim for 4x att and thats it

[tropic summit]

start getting her strong enough to wipe, x4 atk% generally should lead to this scenario:

it punishes any team that cannot block nuke on 2.5RL or 3RL, although that team is hitting 2RL due to feed from enemy

[tropic summit]

the scenario where you want ammo on scarlet is only when you expecting to do stuff post nuke, like in here:

[unkempt kestrel]

im prob gonna use scarlet with trina. most likely shouldnt need post nuke, will be glass cannon.

[graceful grotto]

With Trina, scarlet technically only need max 1 OL for mammo now

[bleak shale]

the only time i care aobut my scarlet's ammo is when im in a mirror against blanc emilia with blanc scarlet

[graceful grotto]

But of course, would be good to do more if you can anyway

[bleak shale]

and its kind of tricky to say how much since u just dont want to be in reload when blanc ends

[tropic summit]

for longer indom the more the better

but yeah against stall teams they're dead regardless (on def)

for atk you generally know what you want scarlet to do, so you can account for whether you've the ammo or not

[graceful grotto]

It's always tricky in mirror scar Blanc

Since scar counter so u might or might not burst earlier than oppo

[tropic summit]

you don't mirror scar unless you really have to

[graceful grotto]

If burst slightly earlier (like 0.3 sec), most of the time u lose lol

[tropic summit]

that's gacha within gacha

[graceful grotto]

Since ur Indo expired earlier

But yeah

[eager mountain]

well last line is just add on saying another reason to use r15 cuz not only its better by average but also safer for most

[rich ledge]

is scar blanc jackal for defense better than a 2RL nuke for defense?

[eager mountain]

depends on whether they have rosa built

[quick lake]

Faster usually better

[glad meteor]

Faster usually easier to counter

Trina is just a scar buffer. Noise noah and it’s an easy win

Don’t even need noise

Unlees you can nuke before 2RL noah

[eager mountain]

forcing 2rl noah is better then forcing 3rl rosa imo

tho there are other ways to deal with either

run 2rl cindy with 2rl scar can free t3 from noah threat ig

[glad meteor]

I think I’d use noise rumani bay helm xmaiden

But I haven’t tested yet. Against rosa trina scar

Need to save Noah for other comps me thinks

[spiral onyx]

[umbral crown]

2 RL?

Now trina opening new cooks

[umbral belfry]

mana

[wise owl]

Is Rosanna still any good?

[spiral onyx]

Yeah it's a yolo 2RL Cindy comp that doesn't use up any key units

[spare nimbus]

Need some help building team

[spiral onyx]

Something people can try playing around with

[spare nimbus]

Winnable?

[wicked horizon]

He's gemming 😰

[umbral crown]

Waos, comp done on a whim with a chance of winning

[spiral onyx]

If you want to be a bit more aggressive and have a Rosanna in there to prevent a Scarlet counter, you can do that too

Rosanna 's damage isn't needed really since Cindy with Trina buff will already be crazy high

On paper at least

"but 2RL Noah counters her!"

2RL Noah pretty much counters everything, so that's not saying much

[glad meteor]

Bay too

But ros is good for making it harder

[spare nimbus]

Ok so that didnt work

Huh

[swift mango]

Now you could waste him 100 more gem

Gemming c10 though....

[spare nimbus]

I don’t have trina

[quick lake]

[spare nimbus]

Do u think i’d win t3 if i replaced rapunzel with rosanna

Box?

Oh

[quick lake]

Or skip this team

[rich quail]

I only have 5 tempering cube slots

[spiral onyx]

Guess you'll be buying tempering cube batteries for the next year or so

[spare nimbus]

Nevermind lol

[rich quail]

I am not a whale

not like that really sweaty one we call

[spiral onyx]

Whales can't even buy batteries lol

[quick lake]

Trina 1/7/4 budget

[spare nimbus]

I still don’t know if trina can help me burst fast enough

[quick lake]

she does, trust

but still lose to 2rl Noah though

Just skip 2rl noah teams

[spare nimbus]

What OL should i put on her first

[rich quail]

@spiral onyx I will add Scarlet to tempering, though

I have a free slot

[crystal flicker]

Bring Noah to T1 and SAnis, this will Invuln Cindy Nuke and clear their comp with SAnis
For T2 mirror with your Scarlet Blanc and if possible replace RH with Clip RL

[quick lake]

Nth in particular. Just 4x initial OL

[spare nimbus]

I only have enough to do 2 i think

[quick lake]

No rush

[spare nimbus]

Maybe 3

[glad meteor]

Body > Head > Leg > Arm

Looks like their noise isn’t linked

Brick

[swift mango]

But 3rl Noah also can counter her now.

[spare nimbus]

?

[crystal flicker]

THat T1 is brick

T3 too

[spare nimbus]

Ok

[crystal flicker]

T1 die from Cindy Nuke, T3 die from Emi

[spiral onyx]

3RL Noah counters 2RL Cindy?

I know Cindy is delayed, but that delayed?

[spare nimbus]

Emilia died here tho

Couldn’t get burst off tho

[quick lake]

t3 viper sacc

[crystal flicker]

From Rosanna ye

[swift mango]

Sometimes after the recent nerf... but your Cindy should be strong enough to one shot in the first round of her Ulti so no problem I guess.

[quick lake]

#pvp-arena message
Reference here. First wave goes through

[spiral onyx]

Ah, so half her hits get blocked

[quick lake]

Cindy nerf is real

[spiral onyx]

Instead of dealing 6.5m, she will deal 3.2m

Which is much less, but....

Add in Rosanna hits and it might be fine?

[quick lake]

For max core units, its still not a OHKO. Maybe 10-20% hp left?

[glad meteor]

Depends on order of hit and enemy CS

[spiral onyx]

Though against that comp both of Rosanna 's hits will be taunted lol

[glad meteor]

It’s much easier to do 2.5 RL these days

[crystal flicker]

Biscuit

[quick lake]

Im pretty sure my team is slightly faster than 2RL, probably 1.9RL as well

[glad meteor]

Whel actvities still not enough

[spare nimbus]

So like what do i do

[quick lake]

Skip the 2rl Noise Cindy
t2: 2RL Noah Cindy
t3: 2RL Trina RH scar

[spiral onyx]

Wait, I'm being dumb here

Let's do the math

[spare nimbus]

I’m in a cp deficit on t3

[crystal flicker]

T3 either La+ or Helm get Indom lmao

[spiral onyx]

Lmaooooo... 11mil... Yeah everyone is getting 1 shot as long as even one hit goes through

[quick lake]

No deficit, just nice above

Go for it

[spiral onyx]

Let's actually try this out in game

[spare nimbus]

Thx guys lol lemme screenrecord and show

[quick lake]

Trina too OP

[glad meteor]

Trina deadge pre burst

[quick lake]

I didnt even notice Blanc p1 unprotected

[glad meteor]

Couldn’t handle lap+ emi autos

[quick lake]

trina as burst gen is enough ig

[glad meteor]

One buffer scar enough for full wipe there

[spare nimbus]

Now that i have trina i guess it’s about time i change my defense team, that guy is the only dude that actually beats me from the people that attack me so I haven’t bothered changing it around

Any advice?

[quick lake]

Replace xanne with Trina and u should be great

[glad meteor]

Viper kinda sus, but max core and treasured I assume

[spare nimbus]

Yeah

Also my xanne had 30k cp more lol but should be fine

[glad meteor]

Trina is electric though, as seen above, lap+ and emi killed her before 2RL burst

[spare nimbus]

She is my 2nd strongest

[quick lake]

Time to 4ol and doll trina

[spare nimbus]

Yup

What cube do i use on trina?

[quick lake]

Any cube. Quantum works

[spiral onyx]

Mmm, it's no good, 3RL blocks my 2RL Cindy

But at least it forces a Noah

[worthy knoll]

Partially blocked? Or completely blocked? Up to how many hits got in if partially?

[quick lake]

5-6 gets blocked

From my tests

[eternal finch]

Any Trina Teams currently working in PVP?

[spiral onyx]

So Cindy might get blocked, but Rei1 doesn't

But I think this is a RH charge speed diff

[glad meteor]

I think because second team has more feed

Rei put in p3

[swift mango]

Suddenly wake up to be rank 1 in rookie... I was at 3-20 for the last 2 season.

My whale changed his team from 775k CP press to 656k is the reason I guess.

2RL Noah+HelmT stronk. Maybe I would start to use it instead of Cindy.

[spiral onyx]

Why does Rei P3 affect burst gen?

[swift mango]

What is Rei P3?

[spiral onyx]

Actually I guess it's not Rei's position, it's the fact that Liter feeds more than RH

[glad meteor]

Noah taunt p1/2

[covert lintel]

rei change its target when she is in p2
but in p3 rei focus on noise

she goes to noah

[spiral onyx]

Oh that would do it lol

Ironically Noah reducing the Jackal feed

[eager mountain]

taunt vs feed shenenigans lol

thats one main reason why a real feed calculator is tricky to make

[spiral onyx]

All I wanted to do was confirm if half a buffed Cinderella hit could 1-shot lol

[eager mountain]

she should still one shot water code, and not much of a gamble in the case against 1rl slower(no cs) noah
but ugh... needs a lot of buff for one hit to one shot elem neutral ig

[spiral onyx]

Ok yeah 2RL Cindy just too slow against 3RL Noah

Interestingly, 2RL Rei is fast enough, but her damage isn't enough

[quick lake]

Oh wow, half hp gone even with Noise buff