pvp-arena

[obtuse halo]

Well, at least can you tell me a good team comp for rookie and special arena? While o level up

[keen vapor]

I don't know your units.... Those weren't your only Nikkes right?

[obtuse halo]

Nah i got almost everyone

[lunar pawn]

so he says

[keen vapor]

Scarlet Blanc Liter Centi Jackal
Noah Red Hood Rapunzel biscuit Emilia
Auto team

[unique mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/zzz-ellen-shake-ellen-joe-zenless-zone-zero-gif-4552391547437867698

[obtuse halo]

That works

What about rookie?

[keen vapor]

Noah Emilia RH biscuit jackal

[obtuse halo]

You're amazing, hace a good day

[keen vapor]

I never wondered if his Cinderella is strong

Maybe for the better

[lunar pawn]

I need a cook

[keen vapor]

There's a line

Excel.... That's new

[umbral crown]

You are 100 levels behind

[lunar pawn]

also still working on my rumani, that's why you don't see her

[umbral crown]

[pale knoll]

You wanna beat all 3?

[lunar pawn]

why? just 2

[keen vapor]

Scarlet Black Shadow Blanc Liter centi jackal

(if Noise is higher CS than Noah go this way, else swap positions for those 2)
Noah Noise Cinderella Biscuit Noir

Rapunzel Crown RH Laplace Helm

[lunar pawn]

last time I did some actual pvp was like 6 months ago, if not more, this reshuffle slapped me in an active bracket so gotta cook after not cooking for months

[keen vapor]

Yes, we always skip one team

[lunar pawn]

also need to update my defense ig

[pale knoll]

T1 just 2rl scarlet jackal and t2 can do 3rl blanc

Do check the RL of the enemy teams since I can't check the spreadsheet rn. But pretty sure 2md team is 3rl

[ornate pebble]

Fantastic, thanks!

[lunar pawn]

will take a look, cheers

[obtuse halo]

In that order right?

[keen vapor]

Yes, in that order

[formal cradle]

these are all my nikkes info, could anyone please tell me whats the optimal sp def setup for my account? https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNDYwNDMzODYyODI0MjE0ODk5Ng%3D%3D

[obtuse halo]

Ok thanks

[keen vapor]

Requesting backup @swift mango

My mobile data won't survive this

[strange rain]

can someone help me come up with the best sp arena teams i cant pull off please https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/home?uid=MjkwODAtMzg5MDYxNjE3MTcwOTY5NjMxNw%3D%3D

[keen vapor]

You'll see however, we ask screenshots from lobby to quickly identify the most invested units one has

[harsh echo]

arena heating up this season
started off by being shoved down to dia1 from chall7

[keen vapor]

Today is work day it seems
That guy from yesterday will have to wait

[keen vapor]

Literally me:

[strange rain]

wym

[keen vapor]

I like when I can rest

[keen vapor]

You just bought Asuka gacha skin? Like, on this event?

[strange rain]

oh dont want to bother u nw if u cant help

[strange rain]

yes wifu

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-swipe-gif-10863986

[unique mountain]

How many people does a spa have in total

[strange rain]

i started when maid mast dropped didnt play last event

[keen vapor]

Well, there's not Rapunzel Pure Grace, that's a good sign

[strange rain]

idk if thats sarcasm

[keen vapor]

Something between 100 and 200 I think

[shell hazel]

wow that looks co-ordinated 😄

[unique mountain]

Thats a very big margin of error sir

[shell hazel]

like 1-2 mins sat in each bracket jesus

[swift mango]

I have seen rank 300 before so I would assume 500 people but mostly dead bodies.

[jagged sedge]

How do you get helm to be the fastest burst gen? Does she have to have 4x 5% charge speed?

[strange rain]

iv'e been running these teams chillin at challenger 1 but maybe they can get improvements

[unique mountain]

Dead bodies are taken out of spa

[keen vapor]

It really is a good sign, it would meant that you have some months on the game and still haven't reached 200 level, but that's not the case

[swift mango]

1 log in every month is still count.

[unique mountain]

They aren't dead

[strange rain]

im like 5 weeks in

[swift mango]

Near dead then

[keen vapor]

Blood, take Marcus

[unique mountain]

Tell me the highest and lowest subserver number in your top 20 spa

[shell hazel]

I dunno man

[swift mango]

@keen vapor tell him, my game isn't opening right now.

[shell hazel]

you could change teams? maybe... but you're already chal 1. maybe you change teams if someone actually challenges you for it (gives them a new thing to try to beat)

[keen vapor]

I'm busy with Jay

[swift mango]

Doing daily

[keen vapor]

HONKAI IMPACT

[pale knoll]

Treasure with s1 maxed and phase 2

4 cs lines do help for even faster burst gen

[shell hazel]

she's good even without CS lines though, but yeah, if you want to min/max a bit add some

[harsh echo]

oh no i didnt screenshot me when i came back 24hours later. i climbed back to a little higher than chall7 then took my screenshot

[shell hazel]

oh it was in reverse lol

[harsh echo]

yep. i clicked 'collect' and thats when it registered in my head that I actually sank all the way down to dia1

[crimson escarp]

yo guys which are the best 3 teams that can be made now in arena

[keen vapor]

Scarlet/Maid Anchor/Liter/Centi/Jackal

Noise/Rumani/Naga/Cinderella/Noir
Equip quantum cube on Rumani and Noir or Noise, maybe even the 3 of them

Bay/Biscuit/Red Hood/Anis/Tia
@strange rain

[pale knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/minnie-mouse-in-kitchen-cooking-bad-cook-smoke-gif-21486384

[strange rain]

damn thats good thats make all of my teams rl 3 hopefully my cp wont lower much ill try

ty

[lunar pawn]

[keen vapor]

do base overload to increase CP

[lunar pawn]

now to see if I can hold til reset lol

[pale knoll]

Nice one

[strange rain]

story team investments first still have alot of work over there

[keen vapor]

[lunar pawn]

or do I just attack this guy now? gotta think of a new team

[strange rain]

although all the units i use in story i use in arena also so should be ok

[pale knoll]

C3?

[lunar pawn]

yea

c2 is lvl 642 so not going there

[pale knoll]

Isn't he using the exact same teams as the other guy?

[lunar pawn]

wait, I guess he is

[pale knoll]

Can just do the same

Make sure the RL is in order and should be straightforward

[swift mango]

I think Rail is tired of cooking these days.

[pale knoll]

It gets to a point sometimes

[tropic summit]

i just got home from work 🤔

[pale knoll]

Bro misses you

[lunar pawn]

my throwaway team won, and the 2rl team failed, lol

RH face tanked liter+scar

[strange rain]

what this guys wants

[pale knoll]

Scarlet died? On 2rl?

[keen vapor]

he's already C1 fyi

[lunar pawn]

let me share the recording in a sec

[swift mango]

Is your Helm with treasure?

[tropic summit]

bro ran out of opponents cuz he has a cooked team while others are not understanding why their mirror team aint working

[keen vapor]

[lunar pawn]

@pale knoll

[pale knoll]

Oh she didn't kill rh huh

[lunar pawn]

and she's 10 10 10 with lvl 15 cube

[keen vapor]

Too bad my fun doesn't ends like that

[pale knoll]

What about attack lines?

[lunar pawn]

only 1

[pale knoll]

That's the issue

[keen vapor]

I want to improve the defense of my friend but he's not on the server

[lunar pawn]

all her gear has some mix of ele dmg+ammo or high ammo rolls, don't wanna touch that for now

still, kinda impressive she face tanked it

liter+centi (even though it's a small debuff)

[tropic summit]

crown buff will be only partial though

but whatever lets you kill liter will allow you to outdps

[swift mango]

You just need to jump to a bracket 4 months later than you. Like mine, and you would be competitive.

[keen vapor]

You what?

[pale knoll]

Another attack lines would be nice at least, but you decide your priorities 👍

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[tropic summit]

move noise to p5 and biscuit to p4, ein can be p3.

Cinderella must absolutely not be p1, read the table please, it specifically says to put her p3 (you're giving opponent 1.75x extra burst speed on p1)

[keen vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/yuko-yoshida-shamiko-machikado-mazoku-jumping-mad-gif-14615738

[rich ledge]

oo ok thanks

[lunar pawn]

gotta finish OLing rumani first then getting decent lines on rei2

[shell hazel]

we did have all sorts of discussions earlier on why cindy is not p1 but she wound up back there 😄

[tropic summit]

at some point it will be just natural selection

daily reminder of what happens when you put cindy in p1

[unique mountain]

Tell me the highest and lowest subserver number in your top 20 spa

[coarse lake]

Just build reit and bench scar

[shell hazel]

me? I'm a total noob (but Railtracer is my sensei)

[tropic summit]

someone who reads

@keen vapor i'm moved to tears

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-learning-am-i-gif-16531775

I learn stuff as well my osmosis 😄

[tropic summit]

next step is cooking yourself and become a sensei yourself

[lunar pawn]

why

[shell hazel]

one problem I will still face tbh even if I get enough of the basics here is that I can't/won't really get to see how older collab units work

[coarse lake]

Stronger nuke than scar

[shell hazel]

it's hard to cook for teams you can't use/see ever 😄

[lunar pawn]

but no counter/jackal synergy

[tropic summit]

do we already have vids of reit nuke power on meta teams on high synchs? 🤔

[coarse lake]

Why counter when you do like 50% more dmg baseline, ele adv on rh, doesn't lose stack from 2rl

[shell hazel]

also I guess I'll probably not face them unless I get shuffled into a bracket they're in but they'd be starting months before me then

[lunar pawn]

wdym doesn't lose stack

[tropic summit]

s1 of scarlet

needs time to setup

[keen vapor]

Scarlet powercreep happened?

[tropic summit]

theoretically, i've yet to see good vids

[lunar pawn]

that's gonna change when SU releases attack speed cube, trust

[coarse lake]

5 stack scar still nukes for less

[keen vapor]

I still wonder how surface content will boost our accounts

[coarse lake]

Literally should full replace scar for insta nuke atk comps

[tropic summit]

you mean more lvl disparity with whales who will definitely have more advantages and source of income? yes

[lunar pawn]

gonna take a while for a full investment, rn the only nuke that I use other than scar is cindy and emilia

[keen vapor]

My 7/7/7 Scarlet is getting replaced let's gooooooooo

[tropic summit]

you do realize that means getting a built reit

[coarse lake]

1/1/7 is as cheap as nukes can possibly get

[tropic summit]

no OL needed?

like atk%

[keen vapor]

Rei Alter skill investment

[coarse lake]

Well do want a few atk and ele yeah

[tropic summit]

oh oke

[coarse lake]

But no ammo needed

[tropic summit]

that's probably 10-15 rocks unless pretty bad luck

x2 ele x2 atk seems fair enough

[lunar pawn]

10-15 rocks for atk+ele on all pieces? what

[tropic summit]

2 of each

[keen vapor]

FINALLY

[tropic summit]

so a total of 4 lines

[tropic summit]

then again it took me 20 rocks for 1 ammo OL on alice so it may RNG badly

[lunar pawn]

yea, ultimately it depends on luck

[tropic summit]

so i guess the self buff applies to the nuke dmg afterall (sorry didn't follow much on her)

[coarse lake]

Yes, at least in pve

[tropic summit]

fascinating, a vid would be nice 🤔

[lunar pawn]

did anyone test in pvp?

[tropic summit]

@swift mango you've her, take a video for science?

[coarse lake]

A few burst lvl 4 vids I saw, but nothing to compare to

[tropic summit]

plus being instant is a good pro too

and doesn't need a buff or could go with even just 1

scary

[coarse lake]

my entire rookie bracket either uses 2rl noah or scar jack

so uh... I prob can't test until I get her cp high enough to be used in sp

[quick lake]

Can build 4crit rate 4 atk ReiT now

0 buffer

[lunar pawn]

Guessing her s2 doesn't impact her burst

Depends on opp team

[tropic summit]

s.anis blanc emi centi jackal
auto
noah biscuit sbs la+ rh

cubes:

quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on biscuit, blanc
temperance on noah
resil on s.anis, s.anis must be burst lvl 9 and no ammo+ OL

notes: check table attached for what to aim/build toward
notes2: consider investing asap in cindy, looks low on investiment.
Can opt out of scarlet and go straight into building reiT

would need testing, but i can assume these teams:

T1: revive chance if dying within 2RL, single buff + splash
T2: buffs standard 2RL
T3: very heavy pressure 2RL no buff nuke

[unique mountain]

Tell me the highest and lowest subserver number in your top 20 spa

[coarse lake]

ig if you build 100% ele on reit, she should do 33% more dmg to every linked unit

[tropic summit]

good god

[coarse lake]

if rh is linked, 66%

[tropic summit]

defense teams about to get even weaker

once ppl find out

i better start building rosanna and go for sacc instead

[coarse lake]

fast reit could legit be a viable counter to standard emi, while in the past rh living could still mess you up

now rh will definitely die, and if you want, you can go for comfy 2rl and keep same dmg, or try to outspeed like with scar and do like 50% extra dmg without counting for ele

[tropic summit]

second accident like emilia right there

at least this time i had the resources to grab her

[coarse lake]

if I can get my reit higher atk than helm+, then I'll be really cooking

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor oi let's change one of those meta teams shall we

[coarse lake]

much easier way to deal with the og stall sanis, esp with how tanky my sp whale's rapu is

scar needed to crit to kill rapu and win the fight

[tropic summit]

sakura meta soon, counter SBS and reiT

[coarse lake]

reit won't need crit, with helm+ I can still outspeed

beefy sanis living (no counter) is a slight worry, but with raw dmg it should be fine

[tropic summit]

wouldn't you still have scarlet for s.anis anyway?

oh wait i get what you mean

@coarse lake any concern for this

would make her useless in defense i suppose? very strong attack and very counterable defense

emilia dejavu

[quick lake]

OG Sakura would tank CP say real Who willing to lv burst to lv7 too

[tropic summit]

you sure? we assuming we dealing with whales here, they could be investing in my own house

[quick lake]

Maybe in ReiT becomes more mainstream… maybe we’ll see more Sakura counters

[tropic summit]

if she becomes mainstream it's a given

free win against that matchup as you'd kill the only source of dmg

[quick lake]

Ppl probably taking into account other skills as well

[glad meteor]

4 is meant to be enough apparently

[tropic summit]

which is very budget oriented

anyone could get one and throw her in synch

gonna be a strictly attack team i guess

[quick lake]

4OL OG Sakura soon…

[glad meteor]

Only problem is fodder and combat power padding

Imagine 4 1 liner on ol

[tropic summit]

not a problem for whalerino

another hit to f2p and defense teams

arena is screwed

not that it wasn't before, it just keeps getting screwed worse tho

[glad meteor]

Imagine whel knowing counter

[tropic summit]

yeah good thing they don't

then again they can just play with 30% cp advantage

[quick lake]

Just bet gems on Keripo’s pvp whaling

Better stock up ur gem stash for CA sports betting

[tropic summit]

lmao

[glad meteor]

Time to core 7 sanis when she rerun again

[quick lake]

Rerun in 2 years

[glad meteor]

Rheax insider info

[tropic summit]

old collab units obtainable in mileage doko

[coarse lake]

yeah this neuters her

[tropic summit]

seems like lvl 4 is enough to kill it

[coarse lake]

or y'know, just use bay

[tropic summit]

oh right it's a single hit

yeah that's an attack team only

on defense she's too counterable

[quick lake]

Eventually they have to allow newer players to get old collab charas some how

[glad meteor]

I have mlb rei, she need 2RL on def to make it harder for sakura usage.

[tropic summit]

right? surely? definitely.

[glad meteor]

Sakura gen bad, but for sp we have a lot of good gen anyway

[swift mango]

Test her against scarjack

[tropic summit]

don't you have a reiT built btw?

weren't you saying something about getting dupes

[swift mango]

No

[tropic summit]

aww sadge

[swift mango]

I have her MLB, R15 but that's it. Not built.

Need a week or two before I full OL her. Just spent to OL helm+body of Rouge and I'm out of mat.

I think I will SR 15 my Scarlet first so I would be better position to face mother whale.

Get the last 3rd line for her too....

Can you guess which game is it?

[swift mango]

If you could dedicate your 1+ month of b3 skill book for this then you deserve it.

[tropic summit]

not a 1+month for 4/4/4 sakura tho 🤔

[swift mango]

No. It's either blue or purple. Purple burst skill books is often lacking, unlike Purple common skill books.

Blue is bottle neck in both.

[swift mango]

You don't get -90% dmg with lv4 burst skill.

[tropic summit]

that's fine even if we're to assume it's 50-60%, that's enough to kill the nuke

[swift mango]

You don't level up every one to 10. Most will stop at 4-5-7. The gold ones will be the ones you use the least

[swift mango]

Not really, we have Blanc, remember?

You are bricking yourself if you only built 10/10/10 and not a whale.

[tropic summit]

would need testing anyhow, i guess too early to say since bay also exists for those scenarios

might be more cost effective just having bay instead

since she can be used for other stall teams

[gaunt viper]

[tropic summit]

might wanna consider rosanna and having two very fast teams with CS% added

#pvp-arena message

[gaunt viper]

my Rosanna isn't build at all

[tropic summit]

oh don't worry mine either, but the more synch advances the more i see that i'll strictly need her

forcing out a noah on 2 teams that need noah generally raises the odds your def will win

and that's achievable mostly if not only with a rosanna team and a fast 2RL noah team

[glad meteor]

@quartz prawn can I ask are you planning on taking C1

On NA

[gaunt viper]

doesn't she need heavy skill investment?

[tropic summit]

7/10/10 SR15 doll and ideally 30-40%atk, crit% also very useful, elem atk not strictly necessary as you'll murder helmT and emilia regardless

[swift mango]

Bay is very copium to be honest, how many time did you actually used her to win against a scarlet?

[tropic summit]

very limited use cases, although i've seen interesting vids

[quick lake]

Rosanna has been surprisingly useful tbh

[gaunt viper]

that's the investment I feared of

[tropic summit]

@gaunt viper look at how this invested ross puts pressure on attacker with a fast team

[swift mango]

Vids in meaningless if you can't use it in actual fight. I can reset 100 times to make a perfect vids, it doesn't mean it's any use.

[umbral belfry]

How has the testing been for Rei 2.0?

[swift mango]

Reset in PvE is free but arena take gem.

[tropic summit]

a better scarlet on all fronts burst wise, very good for attack, easy to counter

added bonus she doesn't need buffs, unless you dealing with very tanky comps

[umbral belfry]

When I have no scarlet but also no more resources to even attempt to team build

[quartz prawn]

no

[tropic summit]

you rolled her right?

[umbral belfry]

mhm!

[glad meteor]

🫡 I might hit C1

[quick lake]

Focus on main campaign team

[tropic summit]

that's gonna be your scarlet then, go invest 1/1/7

[gaunt viper]

is that a fully invested Ross do u know?

[umbral belfry]

I am that's why I can't afford to give anything else to anyone rn

[quick lake]

Yall same bracket? With retro?

[tropic summit]

no clue but a well invested one if anything, i used to have RH survive with 40-50% hp on non invested ones

[umbral belfry]

But soon her time will come

[glad meteor]

Yes

[tropic summit]

wait retro is in there too?!

i want that bracket too

[glad meteor]

Yes

[quartz prawn]

gl, that guy scares me

[tropic summit]

C7 goes stronk

[glad meteor]

Whels

[gaunt viper]

shucks, mine literally might as well be at 0. I remember I considered raising her at one point for arena but things worked out and I didn't end up needing her, now it's been like 8 months since then and I'm back at that crossroad

[tropic summit]

it's your next step in an improved defense

should raise the odds at least

[swift mango]

Looks like a bunch of alts.

[glad meteor]

[gaunt viper]

I was hoping more meta units would arrive to take the place of Rosana that would actually be useful in other content without having to go hogwild on investments as I have little to no rocks

[tropic summit]

what the hell is their scarlet team, freaking whels

[glad meteor]

Maiden bursting

[tropic summit]

it hurts just looking at those teams

[glad meteor]

Yeah, We take these wins

[tropic summit]

CA is gonna be fun, no more lvl advantage only rocks at worse if synch level locked

finally could compete on more equal grounds

one can dream at least

[glad meteor]

Hopefully he eep

[umbral belfry]

Wasn't CA the end of Feb or am I tripping or was it march?

[glad meteor]

March

[tropic summit]

might be end of march, but considering the many times they postponed it, i'd rather have low expectations

[swift mango]

You would fight lv500+ peep who 101010 everyone and higher core + manufacturer bonus than you. So still in deficit anyway.

Nothing equal for you sir.

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

still better than having to deal with that PLUS the extra 50+ levels you know

[glad meteor]

they didn’t say

[tropic summit]

anything that kills their advantage is a godsent

[swift mango]

Whale normally don't have their biscuit 101010

Not at our level

But commoner at 500+ have.

[tropic summit]

ABC to brick i'd rather avoid

[swift mango]

They are 1.5 year more rock, core, and manufacturer upgrade than you.

And books

[quartz prawn]

now u got a target on ur back
the whale gonna wake up

[swift mango]

Doll is fine

[glad meteor]

hopefully he have long eep

[coarse lake]

reit into scar jack is just stupid, I ain't doing that

just scar into scar but worse

[swift mango]

Do it!

[torpid kelp]

i recently got mana and treasure helm! i wanted to see if there could be any improvement with what i have right now

[gaunt viper]

well I fought against one that I thought was well invested but used my Noah squad so it wasn't bad. but with Blanc and Emi I don't know what to do, I lost against a Noah with Emi because no matter what I do Emi will just not live, she keeps dying before b1 even gets off

[tropic summit]

not much to do with mana, now helmT on the other hand sure can

is her treasure on stage 2 and skill 1 lvl 10?

[unique mountain]

Tell me the highest and lowest subserver number in your top 20 spa

[torpid kelp]

i have her on stage 2 level 7 skill 1

[lunar pawn]

actually held the rank

[tropic summit]

ok then once she's lvl 10 we can make good use of her

[torpid kelp]

who would she replace?

i'm thinking naga?

[tropic summit]

your priority is going to be taking away those SG feeders asap

ideally also replace pmaid as B3 with someone else

if you've reiT she can work too

[torpid kelp]

i have reiTN

[tropic summit]

awesome

build her to 1/1/7, R15 or SR5 doll and 4 OLs lvl 0, aim for atk% and elem atk, although not mandatory

once she's ready, can probably change your lineup quite a bit

[torpid kelp]

i'll focus on getting helm to S1 skill 10 then move onto rei after some investment in my cinderella team

thank you

[tropic summit]

yep sounds good, no problem

[pale knoll]

Pepega leader getting ignored 3 times now

[tropic summit]

just to give you an idea, this is what you could pursue

[lunar pawn]

helm s1 maxed

[pale knoll]

[lunar pawn]

out of exp fodder for rumani though, need to clear more tribe floors

[tropic summit]

time to mald

[lunar pawn]

wait faster

[lunar pawn]

wait, no

[tropic summit]

challanger rank

[lunar pawn]

red rank, I'm officially a blabber

[gaunt viper]

one day I'll be there

tho feels like I've been at bronze forever

[gaunt viper]

to whom are you referring to?

[unique mountain]

Idk , anyone works

[strange linden]

that was way too close, was there a better team against this one?

[gaunt viper]

If i use what Rheax gave me. what would I do if I had a fully invested Ross? cause honestly I'm considering doing it instead of constantly bashing my head against the wall

[swift mango]

Maybe just add a link of the message into one your comments. So it's not easy to find but still can be found.

[tropic summit]

those teams while not weak aren't forcing opponent hands enough

[swift mango]

What is 1RL, 2RL, 3RL, 4rl? This is the most frequently confusion in arena lol...

[tropic summit]

@coarse lake dunno maybe ppl just don't listen in this chat, another mirror scarlet

[coarse lake]

[gaunt viper]

how should I force their hands more? because my hand is constantly forced and I'm switching things up when Attacking daily

[coarse lake]

I'm gonna have an aneurysm

[jagged sedge]

Does blanc cast the invinibility thing after the full burst or just her burst?

[strange linden]

I guess it's bad
what was the right counter then?

[gaunt viper]

the highest is 17807 (guy in 1st and a whale) and lowest is 17775

[eager mountain]

scarrosa scarrosa mirror rng intensifies, double gen rng, double crit rng

[tropic summit]

well PvP in nikke is very simple, it's a matter of rock, paper scissors... now what happens if you force an opponent to run out of either of those 3? they can't then beat the one they need

or at worse, force them into not as good matchups

how you do that is to have 2 teams that force to use their best cards, ideally

the more you force their hands, the less good cards left for your other 2 teams

a 2RL anti nuke with a nuke or strong DPS (indom) with a rosanna team generally forces the hands the most

realistically speaking, you'll have one of these:

quick nuke + resistant anti nuke
quick indom
stall/CP padd

once that's reached, that's the best def you can pull off, a more advanced technique would be building a def involving a sacc (rosanna gives burst when a nikke die... forcing one to die early... and...)

[gaunt viper]

yeah so Blanc and Noah are 2 of those cards

[tropic summit]

mhm

[coarse lake]

I think all setups have at least 2 viable counters

but one is more common

[gaunt viper]

the problem is i don't know how to make a 3rd card very well. I'm not even sure how one would use a Ross with how many options there are now 😅 . I want to be more well versed in these sorts of things but it's not easy

[unique mountain]

Deviance of 32
Mine is 54

[tropic summit]

well we've posted several variations, just pick the best ones you can dish out for now then build toward those you can't yet

rheax did a fine job here for example:

#pvp-arena message

can also work toward these

#pvp-arena message

[gaunt viper]

well I've got everything but treasure Laplace from that 😅

but i see the Rosanna positioning

[eager mountain]

rosa usually in scar team p4 so

[tropic summit]

yeah you've gotta avoid having rosanna being hit ideally

[gaunt viper]

I didn't know Mari was a good pvp until now tho 🤔

[tropic summit]

her buff is very strong

also doables as a non feeding unit

[eager mountain]

just one of the best buffs but bad gen no feed

[tropic summit]

[eager mountain]

amonog the better ones of 93102420 b2 buffers we can use

[gaunt viper]

I think you're missing one

[gaunt viper]

I've been curious what is meant by non-feeding with her, i mean that's normal of MG to do (to feed)

[eager mountain]

hitcount = feed scarjackel gen

[gaunt viper]

well no i understand that

[tropic summit]

SR and RL do not feed many bullets to jackal

= less burst gen gain on enemy

[eager mountain]

for 2 "rl" sg feeds 40, ar 20, sr 2, smg 30, mg 35, rl 2n

[tropic summit]

maths

[gaunt viper]

oh that was in reference to Mari, I thought it was Rosanna for some reason

[eager mountain]

constants are just numbers

[tropic summit]

maths is maths

[eager mountain]

event tho mg feed isnt linear cuz of windup

so 2"rl" 35 and + 30 per "rl"

[whole pawn]

hello

[gaunt viper]

sounds like good maths to me

[eager mountain]

getting the frame part figured for actual feed prediction based of cs would be some math

[gaunt viper]

too much maths for me I think

[gaunt viper]

so what does this mean exactly?

[unique mountain]

Spa takes players in subservers close to each other and puts em together, that way if they've been playing loyally , you can get challenger easily as an f2p , as time goes on , people quit , there aren't enough people to fill a spa

Solution: increase the number of subservers people are taken from to fill a spa

Im a launch month player , rn my spa is consists of people from 54 subservers at least

I was just curious how many subservers others are facing

[gaunt viper]

I see, I wonder what it was initially then 🤔

[unique mountain]

I did count it once before , but its been an year , so i forgor

[keen wolf]

I'm confused, how did Scarlet wipe me here? Aren't these both 3RL teams meaning noah should have covered me?

[tropic summit]

what's your noah and noise CS%

if noise has taunt priority, enemy will splash on 3 nikke instead of 2

[keen wolf]

Noah is 5.5% Noise is at 0

[tropic summit]

yep there you go

noah applies taunt, reloads
noise applies taunt after noah due to slower CS% and also p2 is further away than p1 = noise taunt priority

there's also helm treasured anyway

[glad meteor]

Taunt isn’t a problem here since scar blanc aren’t rls. I think it’s rh cover hit + feed

Or CS

[tropic summit]

is noah/noise linked with jackal btw?

[tropic summit]

that could also be, but let's start from fixing what can be fixed

we've no clue what opponent OLs are

[keen wolf]

It looks like jackal would be linked with rap and RH, although I've never been sure if attack OLs play a role or if its base ATK

[tropic summit]

it does

atk% OL count toward total atk%, which then leads to who jackal is linked with

if your p1 and p2 aren't linked, you get 0 feed

opponent meanwhile gets feed for sure due to scarlet in p1, unless they're bricking her with helmT stealing it together with RH

but then you'd have killed scarlet, so unlikely

the easist solution in this cases is to assume opponent is on 2.5RL at the minimun, just go 2RL or 2.5RL noah

[keen wolf]

so swap rap with my treasure helm maybe? I was planning on that at first but figured the healing would help (since I thought it was 3rl vs 3rl)

[tropic summit]

not a fan of that team tbh

you're bursting with RH B3 against an indom scarlet

if you get locked onto p1, it's over.

Watch this RH B3 against indom scarlet

[keen wolf]

I see. I'll give that SBS comp a try, would romani over Anis be better?

[tropic summit]

yes that works too

i suggest this one, way safer:

mine was counting on noise surviving 2RL, which was fairly close due to rosanna pressure

you don't have to deal with a rosanna here

an alternative would be a 2RL buffed cindy nuke

something like this

[tulip holly]

#pvp-arena message attack teams for this person ?

Units on the post linked

[tropic summit]

omg that's a liter with s.anis

utterly bricked

and indomless scarlet

[keen wolf]

This worked, thanks!

[tropic summit]

end their suffering

noise can be replaced with biscuit if you want extra safety

[swift mango]

It's pretty common to use XAnne... Provide their Anis and Jackal having charge speed.

[tropic summit]

that's one of the weakest scarlet teams i've seen tho

no rosanna pressure, no 2RL, no indom

anis also tanks CP partially

even if they're promoted to 2RL, you'll get noah absorbing the nuke

[swift mango]

I used to see that team killed 2RL Scarlet+Blanc before Blanc could even burst lol ... Just a matter of investment

[tropic summit]

that'd have to be 1.5RL

pushing it quite a lot

[swift mango]

Ded from counter buffed by RH...

[tropic summit]

oh but that's a different story

[swift mango]

Team only a bit above 2.5rl.

[tropic summit]

who the f runs blanc against scarlet on a slower team

death wish

[tulip holly]

On it , thanks

[onyx crescent]

looking for suggestions on how to improve these teams for sp defense (no mana or helm treasure)

[swift mango]

I mean the XAnne team being 2.3-2.4rl and the Scarlet+Blanc team being exactly 2rl.

Their RH trigger before your Blanc and your Scarlet ded by counter. You could ask LD for that experience...

[whole shell]

It's a team that solely relies on scar nuke not getting blocked

[tropic summit]

yolo

[whole shell]

Scar/X.Anne comps do exist out there

[tropic summit]

they're good enough, replace anis with helmT and replace noir asap with RH or a non feeding flex

T3 could use a backup B1 or a biscuit tho, you're relying a lot on that rumani surviving

[onyx crescent]

u see the issue with RH is my burst gen is slower

[tulip holly]

Don't have rumani remember 💀

[tropic summit]

🧱

[grizzled bone]

me

[tropic summit]

time to unleash your anis

[grizzled bone]

i have death wish

[whole shell]

Using RH just makes it a standard 3RL team, nothing different

[onyx crescent]

maybe its the cp difference that noir provide but from my testing i cant burst fast enough compared to with noir in the team

[tropic summit]

ensure scarlet is 1st or 2nd highest atk% (atk% OL included)

[whole shell]

Noir likely just makes it 2.5RL or something, not much of a diff and it's a much weaker team compared to Scar/Blanc/RH

2 AR and shotgun feed is death sentence

[onyx crescent]

but anis makes this 2.5?

[tropic summit]

it does not, i suggest you get yourself a calculator so you can easily find out

mobile friendly calculator: https://nikke-deck.web.app/
sheets: #pvp-arena message

[tulip holly]

Ez , thanks , guy was below CP but I wanted to make sure want to put your def teams to good use

[onyx crescent]

suggestions?

[tulip holly]

(actually defended once vs the guy I attacked on spot 10 but the guy attacked me again and won and he gemmed to get to a higher spot after lmao)

[tropic summit]

yellow teams are ok-ish, red one is one of the most safe, while also increasing speed

[grizzled bone]

FAQ

-# How to navigate the pins.
-# * click/tap the pinned message. Hitting "Jump" will take you directly there

1. How to ask for team-building help

Please include screenshots of your roster from the Nikke tab on the home screen and sort by power as the bare minimum. We prefer screenshots in horizontal mode (Settings>Graphics>Screen Mode>Horizontal). We are limited to 4 image attachments for each message as per server settings.

• It will give the best representation of your investments for everyone to cook teams for you. Otherwise you may not get the response you're looking for
  Providing your current teams will also help others give an idea to cook something other than what you're using

2. What teams should I make?

Depends on if you're attacking or defending. Optimal Attack teams are going to be different to your optimal Defense teams

• [Some general propaganda team ideas](#pvp-arena message) by @quick lake
• [Some Attack team ideas](#pvp-arena message) by @tropic summit
  • it should be noted that these teams are just a starting point to learn and some teams may not work in all situations

3. What units should I focus on?

Nikke.gg's tier list (sorted by PvP) and Prydwen.gg's tier list (sorted by PvP) will give you good idea. As well as [Keripo's index](#pvp-arena message) for a more detailed look

4. PvP Stat Penalty

Like in PvE, Combat Power (CP) stat penalty exists in PvP but the range differs. [Please refer to this handy dandy chart to visualize](#pvp-arena message) by @opaque yacht

• you're looking for a ratio of less than 15.4% to be clear of getting the stat debuff

5. Terminolog

RL

• borrowed from Rocket Launcher and how we measure burst gen speed. A team that can reach Full Burst Gauge when the third shot of "1 second charge time RL" hits, is referred to as a 3RL team. A high speed team is 2RL
  Feed
• refers to giving burst gen to units when they are hit
  Indomitability (Indom)
• not the same as Invincibility
• currently the only unit that is able to give Indom is Blanc. Indom means the unit granted that buff cannot be defeated for the length the buff is active and will hover at 1 Health Point
  Sustain
• refers to the ability to maintain Health over extended periods of time for an individual unit or the team through buffs

6. Weapons

Different weapon types have different Burst Gen rates to each other. The following is the list from highest to lowest:

• Clip Rocket Launcher (Clip RL) -- very high generation
• Clip Shotgun (Clip SG)
• Rocket Launcher (RL)
• Shotgun (SG)
• Sniper Rifle (SR)
• Assault Rifle (AR)
• Submachine Gun (SMG)
• Machine Gun (MG) -- very poor generation

7. Burst Generation (speed)

Burst Gen is one the most defining factors in PvP when team building. In most cases you want to fill your burst gauge bar as fast as possible. Generating burst occurs when Nikkes hit an enemy or cover either through their weapon or skills. Each unit has a base burst gen number that is mostly decided by the weapon they use but other factors can come into play e.g. Harmony Cubes, Skill

• If you'd like to know more please take a look at the [resources in the pins](#pvp-arena message)
• For [Burst Gen Calculators, click here!](#pvp-arena message)

8. Jackal

Why she's widely used in PvP; she is a Clip RL and her Skill 1 and Skill 2.

• Jackal's S1 fills the Burst Gauge 3.55% every time she is hit 10 times
• S2 creates a link to 2 ally units with the highest ATK number and shares damage while also raising the Defense stat of herself and those 2 linked units

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[vapid lake]

?

[tropic summit]

?

[onyx crescent]

cool thanks

[tropic summit]

something is cooking

[covert lintel]

?

[grizzled bone]

you guys reacted the same last time i did this

just ignore it :🤪

[onyx crescent]

@tropic summit u mentioned noir as a feeding flex so theres no good teams for her?

[eager mountain]

3rl noah blocked my 2rl scar

tf is that cs

[tropic summit]

another CS% believer

my rumani and centi are both 18%CS

my def win ratio skyrocketed since then

[eager mountain]

thats a omega pvp malder btw

20 sync lower then me but 5% higher cp then me

[tropic summit]

noir should be benched on def teams, at best can be used on attack teams where you know you can use her against non-feed comps

[eager mountain]

also throws sacc team in def and still has really high cp

[tropic summit]

obviously you can't bench her if you still need SG clip burst gen tiers to hit thresholds

at that point you just assume the risk of being scarlet'ed

[lunar pawn]

rumani gonna be a dps

[tropic summit]

whel? dolphin?

[tropic summit]

another few and you can use her in SR

[lunar pawn]

what lines should I get on rumani? maybe some CS and that's it? does she need any specific % or?

[tropic summit]

CS% atk% elem atk%

[eager mountain]

my top10 usually are all whales or used to whale, cuz i used to whale

[lone sequoia]

depends in comp, cs,ele ammo(if) def

3 lines and done

[tropic summit]

also you already asked before

then again nikke players not reading is normal

[lunar pawn]

reading =/= remembering

[onyx crescent]

i see ty for explaining i wonder if 5% cp increase is worth it with noir over the replacement

[lone sequoia]

the only good answer is to go with what gives you the most cp

[tropic summit]

depends on your opponents, if you starved for CP keep her, if not try to reduce feeding in your teams

[onyx crescent]

aight bet

[lone sequoia]

if you think about perfect effects/lines in a pvp unit you will find many bad situations

ele, cs are safe, but too much damage in one team can be bad against sac comps

or teams that use defender p1 +biscuit (only against RL teams)

no p2 means less burst gen for your team

more cp and you get the win because the cp debuff

[tropic summit]

who's used for sacc the most in your bracket Nesso? still anis, mast, viper?

[lone sequoia]

yep

anis or viperT

no one used mast in my brackets

my sac comps were scarlet+SG or different versions of SG rosanna

[tropic summit]

remind me why viperT specifically?

[lone sequoia]

more cp

[tropic summit]

and water code i guess

[lone sequoia]

SG water= weak against scarlet

[tropic summit]

mhm pretty much instant death

[lone sequoia]

and keep pressure to p5 in def

so is a good filler unit

[tropic summit]

she's in p1 even on def teams or is it p2 to prevent burst gen?

[lone sequoia]

p1~p2

depend in the comp, but i saw anis p2 more times since she get 1 RL shot first then die

and without p2=less burst gen* for RL comps

[tropic summit]

do they actually gear her or remove body/legs?

[lone sequoia]

i don't know

SR stats are not great, OL give more cp and they still can't tank against some cored units

[tropic summit]

oh oke so probably doesn't matter making her squishy on purpose, since she's already regardless

[lone sequoia]

sac strat go for speed or more damage in rosanna burst

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit

[worthy jasper]

Could I get some defensive team ideas for Rookie and SP Arena? Also, could I get a few offensive teams recommended for general use cases (like countering most used teams for example)?

[tropic summit]

wow, now that's some real bricked lad you facing there

[whole pawn]

somehow he took my chal 7

[worthy jasper]

Forgot to add this too, my bad

[whole pawn]

his attack team must be stronnger

[tropic summit]

CP probably, just commited to your 2 weakest teams

[tropic summit]

surely you used burst gen calculator and checked what you doing right?

also where's your noah at

[tropic summit]

oh surprisingly actually built teams with a sense 🤔

[whole pawn]

i should add noahless on my name

[tropic summit]

you kidding me

i thought you found at least noah

this one is a simple puzzle @whole pawn , in my SS above what do you see that is a very bad thing?

[whole pawn]

no noah no crown no noise no rapunzel

[whole pawn]

we both have same rl, which it shouldnt be happening

[tropic summit]

not just that, but close

there's 1 major issue in that matchup

what is the 3rd team for reference btw

[whole pawn]

there is no scarlet in third team

[tropic summit]

nono you were on point with the 4RL team

2nd team will win that's fine as is leave it alone

focus on 1st team, there's 1 big issue you should see immediatly

[eager mountain]

well and also tons of atk lines for most of his characters, and maybe 20 cs on emi
so he tossed every single rocks in pvp

[tropic summit]

real pvp malder

need your rosanna to punish harder

[whole pawn]

4rl?

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

hint: when your cindy bursts, what happens on the other team

[worthy jasper]

So they're pretty good where they're at then?

[tropic summit]

there might be a bit of nitpicking we can do, let me help the poor crownless lad first

[worthy jasper]

Haha no worries, I can wait 😄

[whole pawn]

i thint it has to do with noise and reducing dmg or smt? i dont have these units so i dunno, soory

[tropic summit]

nono this is ABC of pvp you cannot not notice

[whole pawn]

maybe i m thinking too much mmm

[tropic summit]

here you go:

your main damage source is absorbed by noah

you should never, ever, run that

that's exactly serving enemy noah what it needs to do

[whole pawn]

what does noah do? Surely not taunt

[tropic summit]

oh wow

now i understand why you didn't understand

don't even know what a noah does

[whole pawn]

then what they run against her?

[tropic summit]

faster nuke that possibly kills them before they can shield it or your own noah to stall it out and outdps afterward

another option would be a counter indom emilia

[eager mountain]

@tropic summit tried to p2 sacc his p2 sacc with same rl sacc but for some reason his is way faster

[whole pawn]

emilia...

[tropic summit]

yep, not in your cards

[whole pawn]

so umm what does she do? i mean noah

[tropic summit]

show 3rd team so we can get the full picture

[tropic summit]

here, watch what happens to cindy nuke dmg against my team

0 dmg ^

[eager mountain]

his sacc isnt 2rl even with max skill and landing all his rl splash, and yet quiry sacc and his team is, yes 1.5rl

[whole shell]

3 seconds of invincibility

[eager mountain]

HOW THE F**K?

[whole shell]

Absolute hard counter to any aoe nuke

[lone sequoia]

you don't go sac against sac, you use his dead unit in a faster team

[whole pawn]

what the fk, 0 dmg indeed, no wonder why i loose gainst her

[tropic summit]

yeah, especially on same RL threshold

[eager mountain]

NO HE SHOULDNT GET 1.5RL WHEN MY P2 SACC'S
HIS TEAM ISNT EVEN 2RL WITH FEED AND SACC GEN

[cobalt jewel]

Is the burst order always left to right even when defending in arena?

[whole pawn]

i missing a lot of units

[tropic summit]

teams set on def will go from left to right, correct

[whole shell]

Honestly sucks that the snapshotting thing got fixed because now it's back to regular noah counters

[tropic summit]

tbh, that was probably unintended in the first place, just took them years to fix

[whole shell]

Fair

[cobalt jewel]

How about their burst order?

[tropic summit]

from left to right

[whole shell]

But seeing cindy nuke pierce thru noah shield was euphoric

[lone sequoia]

how many hits mast receive??

[whole shell]

Phuk you, noah

[cobalt jewel]

Thanks. I’m new to pvp, and its hard to defend in special arena

[tropic summit]

so just confirming, helm is treasured on at least stage 2 and s1 lvl 10 correct?

[cobalt jewel]

Is anybody else having issues with viewing the battle in special arena? Mine always skips despite having quick battle toggle off.

[whole shell]

I see x.maiden not synced

[cobalt jewel]

This the message i get every time

[eager mountain]

1, full hp to death instant

[tropic summit]

synch lvl 1 mast?

imagine having enough CP to pull that off

[lone sequoia]

3RL comp+2sac is already that fast

[tropic summit]

@whole pawn so, where's the other 3rd team?

[lone sequoia]

jackal+xanne hit, rosanna feed on scarlet

[eager mountain]

makes absolute 0 sense his team cant be 1.5 rl when i sacc

[whole pawn]

I screenshoted T1 and T3
T2 didn't took a picture
but it had scar jackal blanc Rh and someone else I forgot
anyway I won , if I loose I will take screenshots again

[worthy jasper]

Yes that is correct for all

[tropic summit]

probably won by CP difference at least, their noah team was rather low

[tropic summit]

uh ok then yes can be updated a bit

[whole pawn]

yeah, he didn't change his def team

[tropic summit]

how invested is your reiT? @worthy jasper

[worthy jasper]

I just started working on her but she's got a collection item and is 4/4/4 until I figure out which skills will help her best

[tropic summit]

oke, if you decide you wanna run her for pvp 1/1/7 is actually enough, you can go 4/4/7

going to need to raise her CP aswell so at least 4 OL on lvl 0

since you're short of nuke oriented B3s, she'd boost your def quite a bit

[worthy jasper]

I plan to use her with Asuka in AI so she will definitely be built for that. Eventually I'll get her more OVL but I'm starving for some modules atm

[worthy jasper]

She's 4/4/7

[eager mountain]

jesus christ his 3rl b3 is faster then my 10% 3rl b1

[tropic summit]

oh wow nice

[worthy jasper]

I had exactly enough Burst books for it haha

I need more Burst manuals. I have plenty of code manuals

[eager mountain]

nah those are all bs no one convincing me that hes getting black blue cs lines for all those
he dont even have those cs on 3 months ago before regroupping

[tropic summit]

a plan for you, ideally:

-build/wishlist: noah, biscuit, blanc, RH, rumani, laplaceT

aim then toward the medium term plan, T3 and T1 only change them if CP is not killed in the process

[unreal latch]

can some1 cook the best pvp def team rn, got helm treasure
no lap treasure

sp arena

[eager mountain]

neither the 1.5rl against sacc makes any numerical sense nor this

[tropic summit]

refer to these:

#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message

[worthy jasper]

Oh wow, thank you for this! I will start working on this. Noah, RH, and Rumani are currently on my wishlist and Laplace is ready for her treasure P3 once I get 2 more copies of her

[eager mountain]

oh new sacc idea

mana rosa sacc

[tropic summit]

double sacc with revive

[eager mountain]

thinking of this cuz his team is impossible to get 1.5rl when i sacc, what if theres a bug that makes his rosa sacc trigger twice

[dire root]

Why is there a defense and a attack team? When you are defending and attacking does something change?

[eager mountain]

...

defense team needs to be universal and not chesse, atk team can just cheese and counter their def
and sg sr taget differently, but the target part isnt nearly as important as the above reason

[tropic summit]

defense teams can be countered, while on attack you can tailor your offense to the enemy weaknesses

hence defense teams should consider what opponents may be running against you and forcing their hand accordingly, while on attack you want to commit to the 2 weakest enemy teams

weakest doesn't mean less CP, but just that you can counter better

[eager mountain]

rail u still have any idea why his sacc is 1.5 rl there

[tropic summit]

my rosanna is 1/1/1 and my experience with sacc is rather poor so far

let's ask the experts on the field

[tropic summit]

@worthy knoll @coarse lake @lone sequoia any of you can help TiBi figure out the sacc speed there?

reference: #pvp-arena message

[eager mountain]

i'd only imagine a bug there triggering his sacc more then once

[dire root]

Cindy is so over powered in PvP. like damn even red hood can't compete with that.

she just nukes everything even if you reach burst at the same time

[worthy knoll]

Where?

[tropic summit]

a very good question:

#pvp-arena message

@eager mountain give Merry a video if you got one btw 🤔

[worthy knoll]

Level 1 mast?

[eager mountain]

yeah lemme clip it

[worthy knoll]

Or low sync Mast?

[eager mountain]

both p2 lv 1

[tropic summit]

yep she seemed to have died in 1 hit

[worthy knoll]

Yeah that will die one hit

Your gen will also slow down

Coz no P2 unit

[eager mountain]

yep, so is his gen

my p2 died in one hit as well

[eager mountain]

and his team still burst before my second 10cs rl shots

[worthy knoll]

Lets see

[eager mountain]

hold on

[tropic summit]

🍿

[dire root]

I just realized I wasn't updating my defense team so my current defense team is like 2 weeks out of date.

[worthy knoll]

Is your Rosanna S2 maxed?

[eager mountain]

nope, but didnt explain why he get to burst that early

[worthy knoll]

It could have been, what is your S2 lvl?

[eager mountain]

7
well my issue is his sacc shouldnt be 1.5-2 rl to begin with

since my sacc also sabotaged his gen

[worthy knoll]

2 units dying gave him 72% gen

73% actually

[eager mountain]

and only his p2 died

[worthy knoll]

Your P2 also died

It goes both ways

Ally or enemy, a nikke die, Rosanna get gen

[eager mountain]

ah

that explains everything, thanks

mutual sacc

[worthy knoll]

[tropic summit]

thank you @worthy knoll

[eager mountain]

always learning something new from unexpected loss

[tropic summit]

well makes it valuable at least

[lone sequoia]

xd

[eager mountain]

now i get the no sacc vs sacc
tho imma just make it actal same rl with extra sacc

[primal lichen]

Got everyone but Mana, any suggestions for changes or does this look good?

Moran/Biscuit/SAnis/Centi/Rumani
Noise/Noah/Cindy/THelm/xMaiden
Scarlet/Blanc/RH/Emilia/Jackal

[dire root]

Strange Cindy isn't SSS in PvP considering if her burst skill goes off it's over. I assume it's because her burst charge speed is slow?

[worthy jasper]

These are the general attack teams that I am using, but I'm thinking that the last team needs to be modified. Could I swap in Helm on that team and take out Blanc to make it a better team (3RL)? Or are these teams too spread out?

[tropic summit]

because cindy can be countered, just like any other nuke

[tropic summit]

no, you make 2 attack teams not 3.

Your best bet is to make a 3RL scarlet team and a 2RL reiT team

[worthy jasper]

Oh right, duh. You only need 2 wins

[dire root]

Yeah all you need is noah.

[dire root]

It doesn't matter if my burst charge was just as fast as theirs, the stun lock and damage was too much from cindy.

[tropic summit]

if you don't have noah, your best choice is to skip that team or kill them before they can burst, viceversa kill their B1s at the very least and prevent cindy B3

alternative would be an equal speed indom strong B3

emilia, sbs, scarlet, rrh

[worthy jasper]

No SAnis in the biscuit team?

[tropic summit]

you don't have the right nikke to properly use s.anis

[worthy jasper]

I assume Noah?

[tropic summit]

best you could do an indom s.anis, but your current options are probably way more easy to learn

get familiar with these 2 nukers then you could consider her when the right scenarios happens

[worthy jasper]

Alrighty, thank you for the help!

[tropic summit]

yes, a team like these ones

[worthy jasper]

Ohh nice!

[tropic summit]

indom s.anis showcase

[worthy jasper]

It's crazy to see one unit dominating a whole team

[tropic summit]

blanc applies indom to lowest HP besides herself on cast

as long as you ensure the unit you want matches the condition, you end up with that

[junior briar]

HelmTr is so good fr

Emilia skill 4 1 4

[worthy jasper]

Good to know for both campaign and PVP

[wicked horizon]

I don't want to see Emilia anymore.
Hitting 3 characters with splash is not okay.

[tropic summit]

if only that was the issue

[wicked horizon]

It's a large part of the issue.

What would you say is the issue though?

[eager mountain]

good that shes water code

@tropic summit centi/mast/cindy/rosa/mana the double sacc comp
wants omega amount of centi cs to be as annoying to break as possible
use a bit of resource and can force some and perhaps baiting
tbh it should be really broken before cindy bug fix

[tropic summit]

my rosanna comps are far away still, once i'll step in that field i'll be able to relate

top dog in my bracket is the only one with an actually built rosanna

then again it's a full fledged whale, so prolly doesn't count

he'd have probably even isabel built 10/10/10 max OL SR15 max affection c7

[eager mountain]

yeah rip your nero indefinite delay

[tropic summit]

then there's that too

nero moran quiry helm flex... so far away

i find that thing with ReiT more interesting, since we lacked iron code proper counters in a while

[eager mountain]

far enough for me as well they are all 1/1/1 except helm

might as well protest book shortage instead of coping reset

[coarse lake]

Why stall or weird gimmicks when big damage do trick?

[tropic summit]

depends on later synch and that whole thing with def scaling better than atk later down the road

[eager mountain]

ca & sync

[coarse lake]

I don't see it making that much of a diff

[tropic summit]

if lvl locked that won't be a problem

[lone sequoia]

because is fun, you can see +1min of chibi pew pew instead of 4sec screams

[tropic summit]

the nero cat sounds is something else

and matches lasting minutes

2-3 burst cycles... true 🍿

[eager mountain]

slower nikke torture instead of instant

[tropic summit]

almost reminds me of those emma - jackal times

with timer actually running out

[umbral crown]

Hahahah makes totao sense

[umbral crown]

It is

Some people put noah P3 so emi hits 4

[eager mountain]

5

[umbral crown]

Even better

[eager mountain]

jackpot

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-shocked-ashtonished-astounded-explosion-gif-4927161

[umbral crown]

[raven plover]

because you can counter her with og rei + makima + cindy if theres no cp gap funny sh*t

[verbal oasis]

@keen vapor sry i felt asleep. This is my target help me guys. Just don't have Anne

[tropic summit]

enemy down

F whels

[vapid lake]

https://tenor.com/view/he'll-be-back-he'll-come-back-jesus-will-return-madtv-madtv-terminator-gif-2446746035533643860

[tropic summit]

yeah noway in hell i can retain that spot, i'm CP gapped on my meta teams with full invest

just bully as long as i can before they hit 421

[shell hazel]

teki not daijobu

[tropic summit]

it is war

[shell hazel]

SBS investment got me past 33-5 for now

OL 2nd bit

[tropic summit]

oh ye SBS carried me on 14% deficit

against that lad

[shell hazel]

I lose a lot of cp running her here, so I'll just see how far I can get before I get my own episode of Haikyuu

aka. the volleyballs again

[tropic summit]

oh it is time uh

[shell hazel]

yeah 33-5 was annoying as they have a lot of stuff just to instantly kill you as well, and it was the first volleyball stage

[tropic summit]

21% deficit malder Hippo

[shell hazel]

21% isn't that high I was malding mostly near 35% 😄

[tropic summit]

are you building your alice btw?

[shell hazel]

30-35% a lot of the time

she is OK but not amazing, need more rocks, I just using on SBS for now

most investment went to cindy + rh

my hard mode is harder malding

I can see the boss though

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

it was MC and then the volleyballs that slowed down normal a bit 😄

[quick lake]

Opponent P1 Jackal. Ur Rosanna mega feeds

[eager mountain]

feeds 10 bullet doesn’t make it 1.5rl but the mutual sacc

[quick lake]

Feeds 26 at 2rl

P1 Jackal has been CN go-to Rosanna counter apparently

[shell hazel]

[eager mountain]

I’m saccing his sacc, we neither get p2 gen or rl gets splash p2 gen, and Rosa 10th hit dispels feed, it has nothing to do with the one single feed but Rosa getting 70%+percent from both sacc

[quick lake]

Yeah, but Im just saying CN likes to counter Rosanna with P1 Jackal

[umbral crown]

im at the booss

[umbral crown]

i like cn people, they are creative

[tropic summit]

T1: taunter + biscuit + sustain (video is a 5RL team)
T2: 2RL indom SBS or 2RL SBS/s.anis/RRH with noah
T3: any 2RL noah variation, non feeding (noah biscuit sbs anis(helmT/centi) rumani)

(obviously pick 2 teams only)

showcase videos attached

@shell hazel might motivate you in getting SBS built

#pvp-arena message

[upper grove]

I see ch 17 hard mode boss, hf with that stinky sinister, don't dps too fast at the end, otherwise it will nuke you multiple times in a row and you die

[eager mountain]

why is rail awake

[ember mulch]

what are the best 3 teams i can build with these units for pvp ? thanks

[quick lake]

Can reference here: #pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

yes but when RH

[lunar pawn]

rumani and anis have the same burst gen then?

[umbral crown]

no

rumani is under centi and anis under helmT

[eager mountain]

14.2 per rl for anis/jackel, 13.8 per rl for centi, 13 per rl for rumani

[stuck hearth]

Whales can bleed. What a great day

[bitter cipher]

Is it worth lvling gear for Noah and jackal after OL or nah? (Ping is fine)

[unkempt kestrel]

No

[umbral crown]

si

but thats up to you

[quick lake]

optional. Maybe until lv 2-3 is fine. Mine is maxed

[solid flare]

its fine until tryhard 14.5% deficit spend rocks on dethroning you

then your options are cp padding or climb.

or be very skillful in def team building.

[quick lake]

Just 💳

[formal cradle]

sorry for the late response, just hopped on the game. thank you so much for the advice, i went ahead and changed my teams, this is what the auto button did for my 2nd team but was wondering if i should swap out modernia for s2 drake treasure for the burst gen. makes a cp difference of around 10k

also, if i read your table right, would these be my future teams to build? i dont have helm built at all yet and put rh in the emi team in centi's spot because she was listed again on the cinderella team

[gaunt viper]

well I did have at least a little window before I shot back down

makes me feel like maybe I shouldn't have made a global account if I'm never attacked by anyone in North America

[formal cradle]

Nahh she isnt OL , low skill level and l5 blue doll 💀💀💀 she is on my priority list now that i got s3 drake a few days ago

[burnt verge]

Help requested building 3 pvp teams for SP Arena

Roster:

https://tenor.com/view/anya-anya-forger-stupid-spy-x-family-loid-forger-gif-25774311

Current teams:

I haven't won a battle in SP arena for a while now...

[unreal geyser]

Need team

[covert lintel]

need to wait for 1 day just for 1

[crystal flicker]

Crown Biscuit SAnis Pepper Rumani
ScarletBS Blanc Marciana Jackal Noir
Tia Noise Anis RH BSoda

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet Blanc RedHood BSoda Jackal
Centi Biscuit Cindy Rapipi Anis
Tia Grave XMaiden Rapunzel Drake

You should start preparing Helm for Treasure (Level 15 SR Doll, 2 Star Helm, Bond level 30), she'll be very useful once you treasured her (PvE and PvP wise)

[tropic summit]

went to sleep after tho

[tropic summit]

yes table on the left is your current teams that can be run, table to the right the nikke you should aim toward to, table right below that one is further improvements/nitpicking

yes you can use drakeT instead of moderina in that CP pad team

[shell hazel]

g'morning good sir! I am still working on it she's good anyway, just I was delaying it as I didn't need her until chap 33 😄

[shell hazel]

tough one? I should be able to reach it soon. I can't remember chapter 17 boss that well

I don't know how hard the volleyballs get from here but I've made it this far

OL 3rd bit on SBS next but it won't be ready today even with full burst, maybe couple more days, should have all 4 bits OL by next weekend

[tropic summit]

5hrs of ch1 and still ch2, i've been spared ?! is this the birth of an alliance?

Surprise backstab by Creed(fellow ENG) in the meanwhile, then again the dude logs in once a day then calls it,
They won't even need 300gems with all they've spent on this

[crystal flicker]

that c4 either lazy or bad at pvp

[tropic summit]

he just barely checks pvp arena, but also yeah not particularly strong teams, he's the typical stack CP and if it works it works

hitting ch1 from ch2 made no sense, but owe him for saving me in a sense

[shell hazel]

creed will be coming for ya 😄

[tropic summit]

he already played 2hrs ago, he's gonna check in around 16hrs-20hrs if he keeps his routine

objective of this season would've been prevent china ch1 but i doubt i can rely on him... the other dude is german and avoids fighting anything that doesn't put him out of ch2-ch3

they'll probably secure it for another 3 months, again

[crystal flicker]

C3 also might attack C2 though

Just to avoid being targeted by lower ranks

[tropic summit]

i'd prefer they fought each others than hitting on the underdogs, but then again

[shell hazel]

like when we took out ch1 as ch2, as you say makes no sense except you can, so you do 😄

[whole pawn]

did u screenshot every part and attached them?

[shell hazel]

ch4 hit me yesterday and failed twice

[tropic summit]

testing the waters and gave up without gemming

[shell hazel]

my nemesis is gathering their strength (aka buying levels to get 261)

they might make a move after that if it bumps their cp more

[whole pawn]

attempts gone

[crystal flicker]

This guy have like 20+ sync above everyone else

[shell hazel]

level gap is definitely an effective defence tactic

[whole pawn]

mirror match

[crystal flicker]

Yet he's not very pvp guy from his investment

[whole pawn]

is this winnable?

[shell hazel]

yep gotta prepare 😄

[crystal flicker]

that just means he's not f2p though

[shell hazel]

if they get strong enough to take hold ch1 I can just chill in ch2 anyway I think, not the end of the world 😛

but I'll be a nuisance as long as I can

[whole pawn]

is this winnable? aside from cp difference

[crystal flicker]

I did win and take C1 from him

T1 has deficit, but still made it

[tropic summit]

depends on invest difference and crit rate on a mirror match such as that, as both s.anis will try to kill each others post noah shield

[whole pawn]

I didn't know Crit rate matters on this game

[tropic summit]

in a mirror match such as that sure does

crit rate also matters on scarlet and rosanna, as that may or may not lead to a lethal

[whole pawn]

mmmm I think this is why it's rare to see a mirror match

[tropic summit]

no, mirror matches can be too much RNG in the first place, gambling when you could take a solid plan instead is just lazy thinking

[pale knoll]

Fr

[crystal flicker]

I don't have option though

Since Cindy got nerfed it's hard to use her lol

[whole pawn]

may I ask what kind of nerf she got?

[crystal flicker]

Previously I use Cindy to fight T2, and they don't die from her Nuke coz the deficits

[tropic summit]

snapshotting got fixed, no longer bypass noah shield

[whole pawn]

the 0 DMG Cindy incident

[tropic summit]

that's not an incident, that's inteded

[whole pawn]

I can't beat noah teams

[tropic summit]

what is not intended is that you burst with cindy on 2RL, noah casts shield on 2.5RL, cindy still gets through shield

**that **is what got fixed

[gilded sluice]

can i please get some team recomendations for sp arena?
the teams i have been good for a while but have not been updated in a while (first pic)
i have most of the nikkes and laplace, helm and drake treasures

[crystal flicker]

@tropic summit Do you have recommendation to beat this aside from ScarJack and Mirror?

"Don't fix anything if it's not broken", you don't need to update team if it's works tbh

[tropic summit]

-emilia 3RL (indom or with noah and single buff RH)
-scar jack
-6RL cindy (stalling post noah shield)
-rosanna + noah (force their cindy to be the B3 and absorb nuke), needs investiment

[whole pawn]

as a noahless player, I truly suffer against noah players

[whole pawn]

i need a maid like cocoa

[crystal flicker]

6RL smells like Quiry Rapunzel Noise team

[swift mango]

I knew it... No wonder my CN whale gave up because dude doesn't gem.... Could have hitting along side me so the dude waste at least 200 gem a day though... Zzz

[umbral crown]

Kinda when you do not have strong fire units

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

expecting a minimun of brain for these ppl on these brackets it's like asking for a miracle

I think the main issue lies in the fact that they've absolutely no interest or clue anyway. If you s**t gems out of your rear at the single swipe of a card, why should it matter to them

[tropic summit]

wow all CPs close to each others minus ch1

[swift mango]

My new bracket is pretty funny. A 1.2m dude is at c5-7 amidst the 1.5m... Pretty weak bracket this time around... Half of competitive dudes in my old bracket isekai'ed so not much pressure now.

Only new challenge is the one gemmer lol.

Yeah I found me an Echo's groupie...

[swift mango]

Look pretty chill

[umbral crown]

Yeah, C1 is 404 but the rest does not even try

[umbral crown]

Indeed, nobody has tried their luck on me since season started besides being al close in cp

C3 is 361 but his cp is low

You give me 361 boost and i would be like 1.8 or so

[swift mango]

My gemmer at 364 is only 100k lower than your whale (one PvE CP press team though...)... My CN whale at 395 is 2m+...

Your guys are pretty chill.

[covert lintel]

C3 POV: why should i atk you, the reward is same.

[swift mango]

Yeah, probably there with your Arena investment.

[umbral crown]

For fun, he used to do that when we were at early 200s, i was c1 and him c2, daily he was doing 1 atk

But he is old.now, no time for funny things

[umbral crown]

The whale kinda low also, 1 cp pad team and the rest decent

[swift mango]

I would start making the gemmer losing more gem after I get to 361.

As dude is only 10 level above me.

[frank leaf]

any current collab character is worth to pull for PVP ?

[covert lintel]

rei is worth

it's the first screen wipe wind code

[frank leaf]

thank you

[unique mountain]

What does epinel do

[covert lintel]

poking opponent

457 is not screen wipe

[pale knoll]

She got D?

[unique mountain]

Poke with 🛹

[pale knoll]

Help with what?

[pale knoll]

Unfortunate

[strong hull]

With Deez

[swift mango]

Do you know how to stack the guys in your bracket and find their Blabla?

[sleek root]

@waxen tartan I'm bored and ch3 is messing with me, i'm gonna mess with you on ch1

[waxen tartan]

then i'll stay in c2