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I think he hasn't invested in batteries 

I have Helm to LB2 now but I don't know how to get her treasure or Drake's treasure
@tropic summit 
Anyway im back to dia 1
@final wedge check again
Got beaten cause they got helmT before me , back cause i got helmT myself
you can look up guides, but basically, you need to max their collection item / doll and max affection (level 30). meanwhile, you need to collect their treasure specific item via dispatch.
I see, thank you
definition of suffering 
little do they know you're not yet at your best 

@tropic summit for this one you mentioned the teams I can use, if I steal xmaiden from team 2 for team 1 with Helm, should I put Noir in her place for now?
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Anchor miles off being usable
also how does this work with limited quantum cubes? I note there are 5 in the teams but I only have 2 atm (quantum level 3). I'd need quantum level 8 for 5 cubes
whos treasure should i build next? i've got laplace, diesel, and helm done
drake seems pretty good if you like sg teams
drake and helm were the two main ones in this update
i'll start on drake, ty
xmaiden, noir, drake they're all clip SG burst gen so you can alternate between them
I guess need to check how the teams work with only 2 quantum cubes? I'll get a 3rd one soon but miles off the 5 ๐
if you're short on quantum, you can use 3 on T2, rest of the teams don't actually need them
something like this
once you've rumani you can remove noir and once you've la+ you can remove drake, if you've an emilia around you can also use her instead of SGs
emilia would need a re:zero re-run
oh same boat as me then 
I don't think I can afford to treasure anyone else for a while
yeah then stick with those 2 clip SGs as batteries until you've rumani and you can remove one of them
helm is the best I can do for now but my bracket should also lack people with laplace and emilia at least
oh ye, all on same boat
drake I doubt I can build really either
too much stuff in queue before I could get her ready
anyone else on clip SG decently built?
it's just Noir I think. who else counts?
oof oki, then maybe you can just upgrade T1 for the time being
oki, until you can effectively upgrade, i guess T1 will do
then perhaps T3, last T2
the current teams aren't that bad as is tbh ๐ค
I mean eventually I could do drake treasure maybe but it's probably a good couple of months away before I could really have the resources for it
yeah that's on longer term


I think this is what I need to do first then?
yeah looks good, ensure scarlet and RH are highest atk% in the link, you don't want noir to steal the link from scarlet
so maiden and noir swap teams, centi and cindy swap positions, and helm comes in instead of Naga
remember atk% OLs also count toward that
if for whatever reason noir is higher atk% than scarlet, invert with xmaiden
also as soon as blanc is decently built remove grave for her 
make sure to test it in rookie in case
so you don't find out from failing defenses 
yeah, this is probably why we had these inverse before
I've not OL Noir for a while or changed anything she just has higher atk ๐
The most powerful being on this mode
ironically yeah
We could use Cindy buffed by Helm rather than Noise
-best battery
-best 1hitko and jackal killer
-can be used to give sustain to DPS
the only flaw? effing water code in a elec. dominated scene 
so team 1 unchanged for now, team 2 is all the changes to bring in helm instead of Naga
guys Emilia skill investment?
7/7/7?
I did that, yes
I need 3 quantum level 3 cubes on team 2 for 2RL
apparently Jackal team is still 3RL without any
but jackal feed might speed up burst
yeah you could leave jackal without a quantum, getting 2RL on that cindy team might be best, then give one to jackal asap
maxed skill 1 needed as well ofc
since you're running solo noise, 2RL should ensure noise doesn't get focused down by SG teams, even tho at your sync lvl seems unlikely someone will have the tools for that
I have helm 6/4/4 working on her skill 1 and next OL now
yeah this works with 4th quantum to Jackal and then 5th to xmaiden I guess
That will be level 7
hai
then naturally you get quantum level 7 instead of 3 (don't know if that changes the rest)
maybe lvl 7 means I only need 4?
Probably
there are some feed mechanics that can speed up teams in certain scenarios right?
like jackal link feeds or w/e
burst gen calcs kind of assuming you don't get feeds for the 2 / 2.5 / 3RL estimates?
I mocked up the teams in rookie arena power looks OK with Helm in, I lose a few K there dropping Naga out as she's a bit higher CP than helm was
Correct
considering they're hitting on nearly same CP as your 3rd CP padded team, they are probably fine 
3 level 7 cubes apparently still works
yeah but you won't have lvl 7 anytime soon, will you? 
@keen vapor oi, he's starting to become a real PvPer, he's sacrificing PvE 
haha have been for a bit, but I like to do both where I can ๐
I mean pushing cindy/RH etc is good for both
Helm works in both as well
yeah true that
The real PVPer doesn't do solo raid challenge mode 
yeah it works but I want to not show my Helm team too early I think
that's also a good idea
keep that card hidden as long as you can ๐ค
no one else seems to be using her yet, so whilst I am not struggling for position I can use her in attacks but will hold off on setting her on def
also if my def does lose I can throw in the wildcard diff team 2
Me too, not this season
Tsubasa did day 1
why I'm even hiding it
it's also why I don't set my rookie arena team to anything that great, I want it to lose and not represent my sp teams
Tsubasa ruining it for all of us! ๐
Me fr fr
meanwhile my opponent set his best 2RL team 
if we assume quantum level 3 on Jackal it says 4RL
my Noah is too weak still (basically no invest yet, this is a common theme) ๐
yeah regardless with feed it would drop to 4RL
a noah on 4RL will ensure you catch their cindy nuke regardless it's 4RL or 5RL
can I do some helm shenanigans to beat it?
you can't murder jackal she's with biscuit
the moment she proccs invulnerability helm will be shooting at a wall
but helm can get me to burst faster
if I have cindy and I burst first I should maybe win it?
it proccs invulnerability
jackal crown alive + cindy on low hp (decoy), you get nuked back
yep that is what happened last time
meanwhile, 4RL scarlet noah, you nuke them, you absorb their nuke, you finish them off post nuke
I think I'd get cp gapped but I can see what the team looks like
what units? I'll throw them in to see how the cp looks
since you're running a 4RL team, you're actually allowed to use flex units as needed
you've noah right?
I do yeah just super weak
let me add a cube if she lacks one
temperance on noah, vigor on biscuit, crown scarlet rh can run your highest lvl cube (likely resil or bastion)
record the match and run, if you kick opponent from 5RL to 3.5RL or lower we might need to use someone else over crown tho
oh we could use cinderella herself ๐ค
yeah my RH and Cindy are similar CP
this one is feedless (minus scarlet)
temperance set on Noah, I moved Vigor over from Naga (I'll need to move it back)
might be also higher CP if your cindy is higher invest than crown
i'll record it and see
if this fails we remove scarlet feed or push into 3.5RL team ๐ค
good to know it worked at least
wow my Thelm get blessed
playing with feed sometimes can lead to weird accidents 
black line CS let's go
oh ye it probably lasted a while 
oh it was 4RL even with scarlet feed, went well ๐ค
hi, new player here, can you help me to build 3 teams please ?
thanks! first time I won against that guy in a while, my Cindy fell behind a lot for a while
decently close call actually, noah B2 was at their cindy B3 
just need 1 more black line and my Thelm reached 21 above
all according to keikaku clearly 
taking a look 
I only have 1 OL on thelm so far and it was this, which is decent enough for cp padding
@keen vapor another Neon opportunity 
I'll probably need to lock line 3 and re-roll it for atk/cs? I don't know if you want max ammo on thelm?
as her skill 1 seems to have an action on last shot
So brick 
lock third and reroll
Yeah, but she also has a multiplier for 10 shots
I need rocks, but I probably need rocks for cindy rolls first
I'm going to start with basic 1 rock OL and go from there, see what I wind up with ๐
her default clip was like 6 or something
i too dilemma with my last CS
if i lock, it will definitely need lot of rock
Exactly
Not recommended on low budget
Not even if it was top line "free"
it depends if you consider 8/12 lines good enough I think
if you do then you don't need to burn so many rocks
I couldn't get max ammo on Scarlet :hu tao why:
rolling for 2 good lines is far easier anyway
Yeh...
so my best move there might be temp lock line 3 and re-roll attributes for better ele roll
it's 12.34% out of a possible 30%
SP arena:
naga sbs blanc neon anis
bay anchor:IM RRH B.Soda noir
auto
rookie:
sbs rrh blanc anis liter
That is actually pretty good because your line 3 is great
Lock the 1st and 3rd and roll for a 2nd
The worst is when you have to roll for a good line 3
Like this
not getting the second line?
i think u better reroll stat after getting the second line
can't lock 1/3 it's too expensive
3 rocks and 50% on 2nd line showing up
if I wanted to min/max I'd lock 3 and re-roll until I get a good line 2
thanks ๐
Ethania eventually you'll want to wishlist for some pvp units also
like jackal ?
Jackal / Noah / Biscuit / Scarlet (drunk one) / Scarlet (ninja one) / Rumani / Centi / Cindy
but 5050
and i want CS stat
jackal, biscuit, centi, noah, scarlet, cindy, rumani, rapunzel, noise
Oh
Is this Helm?
yes
Ah okay
You want to get cs instead of atk?
someone told me to save my normal tickets and pull/wish later
yeh your main goal is getting past wall lvl 160
I did this for Rapi recently rolling for middle line and it took me 8 tries to get anything to appear
ask in https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/946720097031045161 if they can give you a good guide to follow for that purpose 
main reason to wait is for Rapi probably tbh
yeah that was the reason
you have Rapi so if you have normal tickets you can probably burn them on ordinary banner
Yeah itโs really tough for lines in generalโฆ I think no matter what you do youโre gonna spend a lot of rocks regardless
if you did not have Rapi I'd wait until they added her but you don't need more than one copy of her for now
don't spend gems on it though, only ordinary tickets
still dilemma
gems save for limited banners
that's what i'm doing ๐
I hear ya
I saved rocks for almost a month and will use them later this week
71 rocks so far
Doing this as a change of pace
But itโs very possible that even after using 71 rocks and over 500 temp locks, I may not get any good lines out of it
Trying to improve Cindy
5050 but 8 tries
scam rate
Shifty Up deffo has the scam rates
yep I thought it's like 3 tries max, 4 at a push, but it took all 8 ๐
only good thing was it rolled ammo so is basically perfect but it cost everything
I probably won't touch this again
originally I was like 3 rocks? 50/50? if it rolls whatever it gets that's a win and I'll move on ๐
24 rocks later and the ammo popped I was so surprised
my cindy also has this issue
I think this is possibly perma lock line 3, temp lock 2, and roll for a better 1...
blue line crit kind of sucks for her but I can't mald rolling line 3
Either
- Reroll the entire thing
- temp lock ele
Pick your poison
Then mald top line
at least it will always roll something
ele on middle is OK. 3rd line acting as cp pad + I guess she can crit but it's not ideal
Is crit damage, not crit rate
But yes, anyone can crit
thing is, if that bottom line wasn't there I'd probably just patch it up by locking 2 and rolling for a better line 1
and then my odds of getting a good line 3 are low anyway, in combo with a good line 1
I'll wait a bit as it will hit the cp some, and I need it as my campaign team in deficit ๐
this is an easier roll target I think
In theory
4 ele 
Chest is pretty much set, but other 3โฆ hard decisions
Over 90% ele dmg
Yeah but no line 3

So I have to choose
lock or reroll
let me grab mine quick
I'm clueless about building teams no matter what guides I read, what can I make for SP arena ?
Yeah, I have same problem 
My Cindy has 3 hit rate for some reason 
Liter/Blanc/SBS/Centi/Jackal
Noah/Moran/Anis/Cinderella/Noir
Auto
Positions fixed 
Noah might not....
Wishlist Rumani please
Gor hr there!

dps in general is best here
cindy / red hood / rapi etc
eventually scarlet bs (good for kraken + pvp)
Depends your focus
honestly I'm not 100% sure if I'm pve or pvp focus yet
I guess I'm trying to do both? so in that case I guess the next option would be sbs or cindy
altho I do gotta get my crown doll levels up too 
crown is OK on like SR-5
cindy is a good pick
I've got Cindy and RH on SR-10 working on getting them both to SR-15 next

I'm working on SBS doll as well but this is bricking me somewhat
160 blue materials to get from 10 - 13
average chance here is probably 20% for super success, so I've missed like 20% 16 times in a row ๐
may rng bless you to a super success 
I need it, hopefully this isn't as painful on the SR dolls I'm doing
I wish this system wasn't gamba though it's kind of annoying, should just be static upgrade material
Iโm still trying to being my Helm doll to SR15
Took all of my solo raid dolls and quite a few more before that
But I only have 104 of those items out of 160 to get Treasure Helm anyway
So itโll be 3 long painful weeks



For helm to use in PvP I just need her fav item right?
Would I also need to Ol and invest into her skills too?
Overloads, for CP padding
Skills, max the first one
Okay so just the others leave at 1?
Yes, before fav item she gets 0 use on PVP
Yeah Iโm currently trying to get her fav item
Well, is also good to invest on the second skill, is like a mini crown buff
Burst is situational
Alright so like 4 is a good stopping place?
If on budget, yes it's okay
Alright ty
bro
that luck
go to a priest
get uncursed
~~Yeah Penguin, read Exorcist wo otosenai
~~
deserved 
toxic! 
Saying that X is cringe doesn't make anyone deserve SR14 
but mah feelings 
Work on resilience 
I do hope my server's Aaron is enjoying our daily trading ofthe lower Challenger slots as much as I do.
Ah, reminds of my days with Fotzee 
Etc.
We're both in the other's combat history a lot because we know we can beat the other 
Hello im looking for a new sp teams if possible
@keen vapor
max core cindy! ๐ฎ
can able to win? i dont know how strong is mana burst gauge
Looks rough 
T2 maybe their indom fails and goes to mana. But it should lose if indom goes to scalter.
Round 3 I donโt know
, you should burst faster for sure, i see that round do able, but they could kill scalter with autos
can i get help with 3 teams for sp arena pls im clueless about pvp
It's basically every day to me.
is ur helm treasure
If I had to guess, it's Cindy's weird target skip in the first few seconds of the fight. The wings did hit her decoy at the very end of the video.
@tropic summit

is skill 1 max?
lvl 8 but has 3 CS lines
Try
Scarlet Sanis Xmaiden Grave Jackal
Blanc SBS Red Hood Biscuit Helm
Noise Centi Cinderella Anis Rapunzel

3RL for all
Scarlet-Blanc-Noir-Sanis-Jackal
Noise-Viper-Cinderella-Anis-Rapunzel
Centi-SBS-Biscuit-Red Hood-Bsoda
What roster would I have to have to beat these two teams in SP arena? Besides CP
sanis same rl, 2rl scarlet pew pew, or Helm TR 2rl
Their rh burst over blanc burst 
lmao red hood on p1 is troll
rh p1 ez to beat even defender+biscuit make 3rl
noah + sanis on T1, biscuit + defender easy T2
no all the decoy hits are from her gun
her drones shoot floor the entire 5 last seconds of indom that's so much dmg wasted
Just realised the reason I got bullied was cus I forgot to put a B1 in one of my teams ๐ญ
legend! thank you
Still could be the case though. No one hitting Cindy until others are killed. But the wing doesn't behave like a nikke I guess.
Maybe the feathers can't hit decoy at all. So if Cindy had decoy, feathers couldn't hit her. 
Welp fast
Swap crpwn for emi?
Swap Rapi
Yeh
Emi is so gonna die 

Tried it before gets her killed then rh burst
Rrh been working great till 1 time noah invul on me
I hate it when noah solo me 
Reasons why I got Emi doll to phase 10
Surely she lives now 
I actually yolod
Had an idea of having emi p3 burst to live since rrh will get jack link killed and emi will be only survivor
Worked, insane
any1 here ever calculate ur opponent/target hit of their online time when they click and collect their SPA coins???????
Thats a vid i can upload later when im home 
i mean....despite not hitting....if a guy stay on the same rank and collect...we can stipulate the timing based on last point he collected right???
or......im just too deep into this 
There's easier methods
Yea u can calculate but why
so much mental energy spent
ok i shud be less nerdy then....thx guys

this reaches 2RL with feed, right? ๐
No.. 
yeah it was more like 3RL. I wonder what went wrong. Maybe I'm reading the feed charts incorrectly.
Can just run a Cindy team for Team 2
Add the opponentโs total number of pellets/shots, divide by 10 then multiply by 3.55 to find the extra burst gen due to feed
no reason to go for double hp tank nuke in pvp, ur not nuking with both
their teams feed is 21.3 in 2rl
I do. And other ppl do too 

I track their attack timings
ok so its not a nerdy stuffs afterall....tyty...gotta keep doin it then
Attack them once theyโre asleep or busy 
this was purely a test team to see if I can exact my feed calcs.
what would that look like?
Noah Centi Cindy Emilia Noise/Rumani
alright also, what skill levels should i have for them?
Skill levels not too impt. 4/4/4 for basic cp padding and initial 4 OL
what abt jackal and anis? same thing?
Jackal 4/4/4 as well. Anis investment optional if u wanna invest in her
alright thanks!

I have never seen teams further away from 2RL in my life
this should be 2RL (just barely) with feed then ๐
no way you don't win that
me winning was never in question ๐
1 purple 
damn that's crazy lucky lol
Do you have Emilia?
nah, why?
Use Emilia on 1 round of team.
She's OP on PvP
yeah well, give me a time machine so I can start my account earlier then.
You snoozed you lost
nah, it means im in a bracket where nobody has Emilia ๐
๐งฑ
the real brick is burning 14 rocks and not getting a single atk line anywhere for scarlet.
btw hot take Scarlet is kinda overrated
For Arena I think 4 Crit line is better than 4 ATK lines for Scarlet. 
First time I see a Kilo in Arena...
min max for both
and ammo
was only using kilo to nerf my burst gen lol. for demonstration purposes. I miscalced the feed that time anyways
I think best build for Scarlet in Arena is 4 Crit, 4 ATK, 4ELE. Zero Ammo. Granted I rerolled for Ammo for her too but it's more for PvE purpose. 
hi all, what's a good defense team for Rookie Arena?
need ammo for atk stacks tho, no?. not worth sacrificing that for cp pad.
well, I guess you wouldn't need it if you only use her at 2RL
Her default ammo is enough for 2RL... If you want her to stack at 3RL too I guess you want one ammo line. 
So 1 ammo, the rest for AtK, Ele, Crit 
for scarlet is it crit rate or crit dmg she wants?
Crit rate
Wtf
I haven't rolled her gear yet and can't for a while, I just have two pieces OL for OG Scarlet
400 extra gems for getting top 10, but only 100 gems per extra attack, yes?
Surely it's worth using gems 1 or 2 times here. ๐ฐ
Im reviewing video data and it looks like she can stack up to 3 before her burst even at 2RL
I guess 2 ammo line if you used her at 2.84-3.0RL team. But you could also use Bastion for that. 
I don't think I use her to burst at exactly 3rl these days.
ah. gotta go fast.
My bad not counting before commenting. Scarlet need at least 1 x 50% Ammo line even for arena.

Later
Was 3 or 5% I don't remember
If it was the first blue I think it's 1.2%
it's time spent in that position though
I remember quitting like 3+ games after my highest tier end game weapon destroyed in a "50% success rate enhancement" though. 
This Gacha era is still many times better than that dreadful "equipment destroyed, half of your account is gone" era. 

something like ragnarok?
RO mentioned

Just believe 
You know you are old when someone mentioned Ragnarok and you know what that is. 
gool ol' times... can we go back? 
That's the point. I'm rank 9 in points now, but not rank 9 in position.
I see, I don't know how accurate that is tbh
depends if you think you can win rank 9 back and hold it
The points are accurate, but don't account for people not having logged in and claimed theirs.
And of course beating enemies is easy but holding a spot is impossible. 
Hopefully I'll have THelm by next time.
what position are you? I mean 9 or 10 are the same points so you only need to hold 10th prob
it's 1 - 3, 4 - 6, 7 - 10 if I recall
Mhm
I mean, I already spent gems to attack. I was Diamond 2, back to Challenger 9 now.
Hope it pans out.
it depends if they notice before reset/have attempts to burn to re-take it as well
if they don't then they'd have to spend gems in return to attack you for it
Why gemming at end of season? It's just for fun no? So no need to worry about it. 
guess he wants to secure top 10 for gems
I don't think I would lose C3 now even if I drop to c10 for the rest of the season. 
HelmT came just in time that one guy below broke my DEF yesterday when I was out cold due to fever lol .. HelmT added and he failed to attack again. 
I won't snipe C2 at the end of the season, promise. Too tired for that.
Wouldnt even use any attack today if not for that quick battle to beat the guy down back.
400 gems profit if I stay in top 10.
Look at the points between the 9th, 10th, and 11th spot. It's awfully close.
Aw heck, I leveled up.
Gl
@swift mango was wondering if helm treasure with 14%+ charge speed in OL lines would do any good for attacking
@tropic summit โ
๐ค
Better than 0%

Anyone know who's this? Can we have some truce for a bit 
g
1 helm treasure and easy pvp thats mad
heeeey, that's a new PB for both the rank and the tier 
@final wedge check
i dont have jackal 

You can't win 
bruh how did i managed to beat him once?
You don't have batteries or invest the ones you have (Anis)
how much is enough?
meanwhile me. . . giving away free win in rookie 
got hit by 14 people, 30x losses in total
And how some of them losing to my lvl 1 unit ? thats Literally a free win 
doing your civic duty I see
I did that before. lets you fight some easy wins when you attack anyway ๐
nah.. i can beat them all easily except whale
wow, 1s away from indom running out, all according to keikaku 
Not only that emi indom such a miracle to begin with 
indeed, suppose you were going for RRH indom 
the benefit of having backup B3s tho
Ive been holding ch5 for the past 12h now 
Doing good
this season you going to eat well
your effort is returning results 

overclock reset today more skill books (should get helm s1 to 7)
oh fk i forgot, thanks btw
yep it's pretty awesome but skill 1 10 feels so far away
oh yah 2 hour left, safe
How can I use Blanc effectively on PVP?
I tried to use with Jackal but even if you save one character it doesn't stop other 2 from dying. It almost does disservice.
I don't have any other defender buffer like Biscuit etc, so is there a good way to user Blanc's protection more effectively?
your indom target needs to be the lowest max HP when blanc casts B2, that's easier to achieve when running jackal linked nikke, then you only need the lowest max HP in the link instead
scarlet is even easier to achieve due to self harm inflicted, lowering her HP
example
to forcefully get that scenario you can use vigor cubes on non desired indom targets
These are the Nikkes I have.
Problem with Jackal is lets say I put lowest hp to pos 1 and it indeed works, but it doesn't help my other highest damages from dying when enemy start blasting my pos1.
Overall I am unable to protect highest damage as well because it also has the highest hp 
if you're going indom agaisnt nuke team you want your indom to solo the enemy team, rest can die, generally
Yeah, but currently only Alice or Cind can do that in my team. How can I make sure or at least most likely proc her protection on them?
oh nice you hadn't done this one, saved indeed then!
i just told you, run lowest max HP in the jackal link as indom target
quency here is likely to be indom target, as alice jackal and quency will be linked, as long as jackal and alice have more max hp than her
Yeah thats the issue, and quency can't do shet after her burst :/ Currently Alice is my highest HP unit overall with how much I invested on her
I wonder if I should just make Alice pos1 without jackal, then put Cind pos3, if alice manages to burst nice, if she can't at least cind burst would be a good backup, what do you think?
i think you're better off not thinking about indom targets with your current lineup
you lack batteries and proper B3s to use them
wishlist rumani, biscuit, noah and centi
focus on standard 3RL-4RL teams with a cp padded one
Fair, but I am just trying to create best from what I have.
Overall Arena is the most fun part of the game for me
May I ask for a suggestion then, this is my current teams
3rd team pad it out with highest CP units trying to aim for 4RL
wishlist rumani, biscuit, noah, centi, sbs, scarlet, rapunzel, noise
keep in mind at your synch level having higher CP teams on slower teams might be more favourable, as meta teams lose meanings if they're on deficit
balance that out as needed and based on what your opponents are doing
For second team it is certain that Privaty would use the burst, is it good enough? I usually try to use Alice's burst, she wins if there isn't a clutch on opposite side like video you send above
it will be pmaid on single buff (blanc) she won't wipe, but she'll be indommed and SGs hurt a lot, especially on low sync
the downside of using alice with indom on jackal link is that she'll likely never be indom target (self heal and your highest invested unit), you'll likely indom 2nd highest atk% or jackal herself
at that point you might aswell run jackal or the other nikke on p1 and use them as pseudo-tanks
Gonna give these a shot, appreciate it ๐
you welcome, good hunting, nothing gives you more experience than messing with things and losing sometimes, they are all good lessons
i suggest recording your matches so you can review what happened 
wish they let you watch the last few matches back at least
if you miss the replay at the time it's just gone lol
Any suggestions for Round 3?
you're CP padding hard on round 3, probably fine as is
Good idea ๐
what's the team for rookie arene? i have helm s2 now
run any of these, if one fails rotate to the other
alternatively this aswell
Helm worth getting ol gear lvl 5?
I almost never get pvp nikkes to lvl 5, helm might be first for me
Ol lvl 5 no, ol gear yes
Fine lvl 3 then
slippery lil bastard
Not even lvl 3, just keep it as it is bruh
It doesnโt even add so much stats
Ok lvl 2 then
Lvl 0
1-3 is cheap for head
Helm worth it
helm helm worth it?
๐ค as long as ur done with main campaign gear lv, and have gears left, shes worth
helm need full cs and that is a lot more expensive than OL5
could've been worse, like 2 minutes prior to reset

mf got backsniped cuz i just opened nikke lmfao
people here snipe in the last 15 sec
She doesnโt NEED it, much better if you have it though
Just update ur team spamming
only the premaintenance really worth sniping and affects ur rank anyway
yes and no, we can get 3 different teams that win against every normal def
and you only need 2 wins, not 3
first 6 days+last day
but people spam gems...
yeah this happen too me to, but its whale lmao, even whale scare of me lmfao, only win because of lvl gap 
sniping at 5 secs before reset 
imagine spend on rookie arena, and scared to lower level. must be gratefull to be scared by whale LMFAO
you have to live near the server and pray for no stall teams
mf cant touch my rookie team but sp teams
why? dead bracket ?
no, but i have 3 points:
-i don't use my rocks (default OL) so my teams have less cp compared to other people teams and people who spend can just cp gap some
-waiting for CA and i don't know if we have to play in the same sp barcket (i would hate that) so i don't show different comps in the bracket or the units i have
- my teams still work against lower cp accounts (even in cp range) so i keep myself in the same ranks; most of the people who used to attack me got sync gap (i used to push hard stages in campaign)
this is funny
i'm currently using cindy rh helm blanc jackal
man i have same condition too. being lower level than average people in bracket, still manage to get highest reward 3k gems and yeah i m waiting CA too, i heard it will sync lock, so i can beat this pathetic whale . to force him to spend more money lol
cindy in p1 gives enemy 1.75x burst gen, you might want to reconsider
just pray for no cp gap, even at same sync people can get like+40%more cp than your team
yeah from core
who else uses vigor cube besides blanc? i just got it to level 2 
and etc
biscuit, rapu, noise
oh right noise 
OL effects, cores/dupes, puppets and skills(7~10)
i'm using adjutant on bisc rn but i can def give noise a beefier cube
ty ty!
hmm
any idea for best normal pvp team possible?
if you mean rookie teams... there no unbeatable comp, although there is those with a bit higher win rate, mostly being 2RL teams or those that involved noah/jackal with the best B3s, try these for example
the ultimate defense is being a whale with 50+ lvl advantage and fully cored units 
to put simply:
1 more question, helm HAS to have Charge SPD in all of her OL gear? for more quicker shots.
no, you "only" need her treasured with s1 on maxed skill, that's enough to be the best battery in the game
Bet, thnx. 9/10/10 now
how many RL is this 
guess cindy really drag down
no, 2 are non clip RL
i'm getting gear for everyone but noah + jackal god damn
2RL variations with HelmT (with noah or without)
at least i can gear my other batteries but OOF
everything with time, patience is a virtue 
noise anchor def would ideally want a burst gen b3 and lol the best happens to be emi thats also water code, so cursed
40m healing
definitely not recommend using on defense
yeah its has offense use but i keep headaching for any actual defense use
just realize my rapunzel getting more attack op than noise again 
I want to do something like this, helm burst also heals on damage
could be work on sp arena
anchor, rapunzel, mana, not sure exactly but quite a few units can buff heals and res and such
I mean with rapu and mana you get two res also
blanc heal + indom
need burst gen and off dps
yes we all know
you want to go stall teams, you'll want to consider moran and nero, dmg reduction stacking is better than full glass heals
I suppose also true
I lack Nero btw she is in my list ๐
comes down to resource shortages again though!
very lategame synch is gonna be about dmg reduction and sustain, so you're not entirely offboard though
im thinking one of the reasons they lvl locked CA is also because the game becomes broken due to def scaling better than atk
(on late syncs)
yeah
also kind of feel like it gives a level playing field of sorts for all
yes higher level can win easier etc and whales can outspend you
but it reduces potential gaps a bit
I got helm s1 to 7, so working on the rest now
@keen vapor ok i dunno what's gonna happen but tomorrow i better watch out for cars or something
Treasure unlocked just in time 
i feel the isekai getting closer
Been there before, it hurt 
getting it on 10 always feels really unlikely though
poke me when you're at phase 13 lol
This 
i was at level 9 before pop to 10
and stuck since then
oof yeah
:deadge:
that hurts
Hmm so weird...i did check at that hour but no change...but it's updated after reset
he generally likes to hit an hour before reset so he can attempt to waste your revenge hit after reset. that's why i set an alarm because i'm so used to his shenanigans
also why he stopped hitting me. there's CP gapping and then there's hit you 5 mins after you hit me gapping
Im sr13 and nothing, please donโt talk about that
I just ended up getting a SR RL doll and I wanna use it for my batteries, but none have a R doll. I know that it's better to only upgrade from R15 -> SR5, but if it's for batteries it's fine right? 
I already have SRs on my dps RL too so i don't need to use em elsewhere
gonna need some help implementing her into my teams pls
for C.A 
I got her item maxxed. Insane dps and heals.
finally
don't be hasty 
save em up for when you can use them on best resource usage optimization
what are your current 3 teams?
Cindy team 1st, then scarlet rh, then sanis xmaiden
Im not online anymore
promote cindy to 2RL or scarlet to 2RL, s.anis can stay 3RL if she's with noah
Ppl here told me that
but it's so tempting 
Helm is still 4/4/4 but treasure lvl 2, how big of a difference does it make ?
you need s1 to lvl 8 at least to get the benefit, once she's ready:
(you also remove naga SG feed, so that's a win-win)
makes that team even weaker to scarlet, not a fan of it but if it works don't change it
So worse than naga since I get her s1 to lvl 8?
helmT on s1 lvl 8 is better than naga because you hit 2RL instead of 3RL, also removing naga SG feed (less weak to scarlet/jackal)
i did it once, never. ever. again 
nightmare going from 0 to 5
Ok thx, ill try to get mmast and manchor to infinite ammo first
And then Iโll do that
i know it does for main dps, but for batteries does that still matter?
like would there be a need to go higher?
well for your main team*
SR5 is pretty neat, at some point you'll want them to hit all SR15, so consider it an investiment for the future you
don't be too hasty for nothing, they won't run away
oh lord i'm gonna be staring at this SR for ages
I donโt really understand how helm works and how much of a difference charge speed does on her, thatโs why Iโm asking here
or until you get them to R15 
it's not that complicated, get helmT treasured on s1 on at least lvl 8 (with cindy to hit 2RL)
Lvl 10 is worth in what cases ? Why ppl also talk abt her 2nd passive with the treasure for PvP ?
s1 is all you need for the purpose of battery
lvl 10 is recommended because that's the maximun you can benefit in terms of battery
s2 is better buff
Ok
I thought maybe last line added a significant amount of burst or smth like that
Thx
Hmm idk why he spend gems...he was rank 7...then failed once on me...then hit again 
His timing so far is before/after reset or 4-5 hrs before reset on me
I didn't change the order of my team as well this time to check if he is just testing/figuring out comps
I think he just testing his cook 
She gets extra burst gen from the extra hit too
Waos
interaction with increased dmg to interruption parts procc? ๐ค
what an expensive unit 
The third bullet point
Just need her phase 2 for that one
Yeah that, additional damage
oh so it's just lvl 1 but phase 2
gotcha thanks 
Yes
I hope to get there but about a month away, but under. Working on OL + skills meanwhile ๐
she's good as is but I am hoping to see her be even better
I had a ton of Laplace items to convert. Thats the only way I was able to get her maxxed.
45 / 110 items. Need 65 which is 22 days basically
I do have unwanted treasure items I could swap but it won't let me as I haven't treasured anyone yet
we need 110 total fav items to level the treasure up? 
isnt it 160, 50 phase 2, 110 phase 3 
not sure, i don't have a fav item at all and was just asking
but if it's 160 then i still have a ways to go 
Hey all is helm treasure (3) only worth using once skill 1 is 10?
Even at lower s1 level she still works somewhat
Yep. Hobo is right. 50 for phase 2, 110 phase3
Can THelm s1 lv7 make any sense? skill lv 7 ->10 need at least half month 
U shouldnt be bursting with helm, but rather with Cindy.
Also avoid putting Cindy in P1 or P2 in general
tk u i forgot it 
Is that treasured helm? Non-treasured helm is pretty bad so shouldnt use her
i got THelm yesterday with phase 2 and no gear
just s1 lv7
Yeah, s1 lv7 is alr pretty good 
I fixed it but change alice to rh because maybe rumani can die before burst 
Is it okay?
Someone confirm to me that "target nearest to crosshair" in pvp means the current target the nikke is shooting at?
Am i remembering it wrong
you tell me.
yeah I had phase 2 so I needed 110 more still
with fav items you don't need any to get phase 1
phase 2 is 50
phase 3 is 110
which means total you need is 160, but you can get it more or less usable with just 50 and boosting skill 1
Just realized you got lucky with first roll and got 3 X tier 11 CS line. While I wasted a bunch of rock for CS. 

need a pvp comp, any help?
Blood gonna cook
rofl lmao....i think he is quittin the game and dat is his final effort 
cuz if u remember correctly.....our rank 1 also like dat....
u took his place and i salvo him....and back n forth till he gave up rofl
then he suddenly give up on rank 1 
But now you are
But first whays youe syn and cp

Do not tell me you are falling behind
I'm still 2nd highest synch amongst the non whale in my bracket. Like the last 10 months. 
I'm sick right now so I don't want to cook
forget give up on rank 1 he completely quit the game. DW also had the same issue now he just floats between 4-7
when he first got slapped in via arena reshuffle, he decided to start a pissing contest
Yes but tell.me numbers
350?
361?
i got a feeling dat rank 2 is quite cozy now 
i wonder if our bracket suddenly active due to champ arena tho 
you go hit him then. if you're rank 2 you'll be out of rave range 
they said they wanna have champ arena on March....but....dat is what they said on September last year....November and December 
champ arena comes when eos. trust.
its hard to hit him....in the past he sort of like very active.....since then i never try it again and settle on 3 cuz i now i can see ur team def comp and his
same reward but can learn the updated def n strat 
Still 343 like when you asked yesterday. 
I only started like 3 weeks before you.
You started begin of Emi banner right?
i got 3 sets of def team in total dat i can rotate...gonna jump scare him later since today is the last day....(altho it wont change shet about the rank) 
jay in rank 5 literally being that travolta meme
I started during maid privaty banner
So this weekend 1 year playing and no RH

i troll his rookie tho....im glad he use diff team so i can practice some new build on rookie
So you kinda 1.5 m

Then why are you lower synch than me 
Time to unbrick your campaign. 
Ragna got dynoed
i set 2 alarms. he hit me 10 mins before season end.
1.45m because 2 level 60 p2. 
i had to hit him back when season reopened while 33000 feet in the air.
connect to airplane wifi while on a 7 hour flight to doha
Im close to 1.5, your cp kinda sus
rofl dat reminds me of myself when hitting u....despite it is literaly useless since rank 1-3 has the same rewards 
Need to sacrifice CP to hold the rank. 
that's why i was like "WHY ARE YOU HITTING ME"
i was on pepega mode at that time...trolling for fun and u accepted it....so...i was soo happy 
but then i got bored doin it and just stay idle
imagine not idling in the friggin idle game. someone didn't get the memo 
that sounds more sus
why would you lower your cp to hold the rank

I trolled the saesong guy once....i think he spend almost like 1.6k....both me and him online...im defending and he is attacking non-stop....it was soo fun lol
bait hits. no seriously, if you can beat them without cp gap, you get to waste their daily tokens. like forcing them to drink sea water
bait hits is dangerous rofl
Because I can't CP press them so I optioned to use p2 units that could be killed easily to slower my opponent burst gen instead.
This what I called, burst gen pressing, them.
but its fun to do to set up and made ur opp thinkin u got no other def comps
....especially on top 10


i have like 6 different def rotations, every time it's broken i just swap. but most of them aren't super defensive
any semi competent person can break it
Was about 1.47m before I add, HelmT and lower it to 1.45m.
What is your level right now?
324

im also using def team similar to ur strat 2-0 where 2 teams pooled into strong def while the 3rd is "kinda" whatever
gonna trap this guy using equal distribution today
im sure he gonna hit last min
....
i wonder how much gems lost already.....i cant wait to see the gems bleed out 
6 different def? I did more than 10. The guy in my bracket learned and never forget the one the already beat lol. The current one work because I could hardly beat it myself if I were them.
"like forcing them to drink sea water" is diabolical 
If you are 1.5m now. With 341 boost you should be near 1.7M I guess, that's lots of CP. 
treasure helm in a nutshell. "oh it's just a sniper, no biggie" WTFFFFFFFFFF
probably, im SR15 practically everyone
exactly like me when found out #pvp-arena message
Well, between not fully Arena invested like you and rolling for CS thus lowering my CP I can't be like high CP like you haha. 
Maybe one day ...
or one night
i also have a treasure drake, just wondering if it's worth the scarjack risk
One evening. 
rosanna shotguns huehuehuehue
or water units
Once shuffle happens i will update my defense
Thats where the cp is
He'll make it 80 lvls gap if u win 1 time against him 
yea its good but not crazy good.....turns out still lose to S.Anis burst dps....I tried this comps and lost against S.Anis comp in rookie #pvp-arena message 
I did during shuffle, he had 66 levels gap and managed to win twice
Hen he opened wallet kun
He was like 200k more than me
I'm worrying the lower guy in your bracket would surpassing you in a year and start taking away your C2 position. They should be in the 350 right now right?
C3 went from 324 to 342 in 11 days
ty fren
The only one who managed a win was peteg
Like at the beginning of the season
Well pelg

You started like 2-3 week before me. The guys in your bracket is kinda slow. The guy in my bracket keep chasing me and the non-whale CN name level so they level up fast. 
But people are keeping him between c8 and c6
I wanna be like the cn bois, real whale
Villiam boi and i are the only 323 and 324 in the top 10
The rest aee over 341
Yeah, that sounds about right. Before it looks like only C3 being over 341+ lol.
Yeah, but it might be worth making rave drink sea water hmm?
yea soon gonna use my 4th new def roster for him to try 
this was during shuffle
Arena reshuffle later this month not looking forward to another wiener measuring contest with whoever gets shoved in zzzz
sometimes i wonder if the bois are more pve since they are over 341 but lower cp than me
is there a chance to see the same people again with a reshuffle?
this is my 1st one

rngesus pls don't screw me 
wait so it's basically the same minus like a few people? 
sometimes
funny thing is dat he hit after 7th day.....so no matter what he do....unless i fall terribly...i will keep my rank position at the end of the season 
oof
but if you lucky you can get into a new one
Somewhere
gonna get unlucky and come across a mega whale 
idk why ppl start moving after 7 days of the season....it doesnt make sense
i was for 2 shuffles without pelg , weij and villian boi
weij and villiain boi were with me since we started, they broke the wall before me even
but once i broke it, i went straight C1 from diamond 2 i think
05/23/2024

The last time reshuffled for me was 2 bracket merged together. The top 10 of my old bracket remained intact, just add 10 guys in. 
this time i went to na new bracket along with randombed
hes been following me since day 1
i kinda miss my old whale rival
10 more whales 
With my luck I bet the next reshuffle they would add another 10 guys along with 2 60+ lv gap whale because f me.
you can win 60 level gap
I haven't seen anyone with 3+ 40 lv gap whale here, so let me be the first.
you can win 92 level gap
Unless they used unbuilt units, you can't.
They Just hit autox3 and you lose.
i just need a 2nd team that can win
Even merry can't do that. 
Yeah, you can attack but can't DEF 
yeah, if they happens to use defense for atk then you could win
i remember the whale the first time i won he did not attacked me for like 2-3 days
and came with a new defense
then 2nd time i won he just got many levels
You whale is pretty chill 
He could easily 35% CP gap you 2 lower CP def and win if he wanted. No need team building, just bring 5 B3 are fine even
his teams are 583k, 580k and 660k
i just need to figure it out the right team to beat team 2
or even team 1
My 75lv gap whale got beat up by me 3 time, got smarter and use 2 780k team. 

At 30% deficit, Alice normal attack one shot my Crown. Biscuit can't save her from one shot.
its time you max doll your units
My crown is max doll
but i would not evne try to fight 1 team of those
His 2 team basically random BS go but yeah, CP is king. 
The smaller whale could beat him easily now but dude just chilling with his C2 unless I shake him up myself... But I'm sick now so can't...
not really, Noah-Biscuit-Cindy-Emilia-Red Hood
found the pic
after that lose the whale got like 150k cp in 2 days
he came stronger
I mean, you whale is chill for not throwing out his uninvested Noah and biscuit to make 780k teams. 
Oh wait he is only 66 lv above you right? And you already 20 lv lower than your bracket.... Guess he maybe like the smaller whale in my bracket... Doesn't have the CP to do that. 
he was 66 in the pic
but now he is 70
my old whale rival is 349 but his cindy is 131k
max core

Used 150 gem and the 2 x3 star missions just won't go away ... at least this is better than. 1 3star and 1 2star...

Helm S1 lvl 7, soon 
Well I definitely wasn't expecting this
Yeah, you are right, if my Biscuit and some other sr5 units were max doll I could have the CP beat him, maybe. 
I am a casual pfp so seeing myself that high up is something cool
Sanis , Cindy , SBS better for this team guys
cindy and HelmT
biscuit with max doll feels nice, i can assure you that
HelmT instead Anis
heelmt > anis , cindy > sbs sir ?
aww my helmt not have fa item lol~
my atk team same my defense team lol~
i can beat someone gap 10 - 20 lvl
but i wanna upgrade my sbs team
i think sbs too slow dmg
2rl Cindy and 2.5RL ScarJack can beat lots of teams.
cindy slow brust lol~ idunno
atk teams depends of what you are facing
@quick lake his attacks are not consistent, gave up again
your defense is still holding, maybe he just got lucky a few times. 4 def wins 3 def losses since new team
tel me full team of 2 RL cindys
It's often including Noah for the lazy players.
That's why I use lv60 p2 just to not be hit by those lazy teams.
Cindy can dmg faster sbs ? HelmT can brust faster Anis if i have Favorite items ?







