pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

we'll use her as battery then, no problem

[daring saffron]

yeh, i will get her some gear at some point

asuka stiole it all

but rn shes just a battery with a quantum cube

[keen vapor]

Ok, Eon cooking worked for once

SBS still died tho

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc rh emi jackal
naga centi cind xmaiden noise
noah biscuit rapu sbs laplace

cubes:

quantum on jackal, emi, centi
vigor on noise, biscuit, rapu
any other nikke run highest available cube

once you've noah, biscuit and rapu more invested, replace SBS with s.anis for a better perfomance and less counters, she's there mostly for CP reasons

[daring saffron]

scarlet on p1?

[tropic summit]

aye, she's linked with jackal to maximize on feed and counters procc

[daring saffron]

ahh icic kk

[tropic summit]

she'll also get indom from blanc due to lowest max HP in the link, due to her hurting herself

[shell hazel]

there is a science to positioning on pvp sometimes for sure

[tropic summit]

got your ch4 back?

[keen vapor]

Hero has always been there, I always defeated him (he beats me now tho)

Tsubasa is C3 but I can't hold position

[daring saffron]

many thx, will try these out

[tropic summit]

no problemo, good hunting

[keen vapor]

I need to push further and wait for new campaign chapters/Helm treasure, whatever comes first

You never know with super success

[shell hazel]

I got helm R doll to 11 and ran out of mats, I'm working on it also 🙂

[tropic summit]

considering i spent today 13 rocks for not a single ammo line, my faith in RNG in general is rock bottom (no pun intended)

[shell hazel]

I lost 50/50 on 3 rocks on Rapi in a row lol

[keen vapor]

Bikini bottom

[shell hazel]

just trying to get anything on middle row, and 3 nothings, cost me 3 rocks each time

[keen vapor]

I like SpongeBob, I have BFBB game

[keen vapor]

Pain :deadge:

[tropic summit]

wew nintendo DS, now that'd been a while

[shell hazel]

I see the rocks as may as well use them things though, keep 1 or 2 back for OL new gear and I get them quicker than I can OL stuff

[keen vapor]

I mean the GameCube one

But official mobile port

[tropic summit]

real spongebob fan, that's cool

haven't played the games much, but watched plenty of the show instead

[shell hazel]

am trying to get something on middle line here, but yeah no dice yet. This is for Rapi

I'd take anything for cap pad

[tropic summit]

well 2 out of the 3 good stats done with, you'll get there eventually

[shell hazel]

yeah, I wasn't going to mald it for ammo %

[tropic summit]

even blue line

[shell hazel]

though that is the best thing to get there. Black line on the top one 🙂

[keen vapor]

I'd rather just go get ammo lines in other gears

Not even my RH has full lines

[shell hazel]

I know, I wasn't going to change it if I got something there

I just wanted a 3rd stat as my team CP is miles behind where I am

it's a coin toss to get a stat there but should have gotten it once so far, 3 misses

[drifting schooner]

unfortunately, that didnt work, his emilia still hit after noah burst was finished somehow

[tropic summit]

did you record the match?

[keen vapor]

Assume 3 RL

[drifting schooner]

https://imgur.com/NywsYPc

[keen vapor]

A video we meant

[tropic summit]

it is a video

very strange that a 4RL got hit by a 3RL emi 🤔

was there a whiff?

[drifting schooner]

by them? maybe, i cant really tell

[keen vapor]

Sorry, I deactivated the charge of links

Why imgur is for vids

[drifting schooner]

what if i replaced crown with tia and let tia burst before rapunzel

[drifting schooner]

cuz videos cant be bigger than 10mb, which is very hard lol

[tropic summit]

aight i got you give me a sec, will translate it in a vid

[keen vapor]

Supposedly, we live in reign free of whiffs now

[keen vapor]

I can upload bigger ones as nitroless

[drifting schooner]

how

[keen vapor]

I just, do it

[drifting schooner]

i tried, it keeps telling me 10mb max

[keen vapor]

I try and it happens

[drifting schooner]

oh wait wth this one worked...

is it dependent on server/channel?

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

dafuq

it was a whiff for real????

[drifting schooner]

how can u tell?

[tropic summit]

either way this one my good sir

4RL vs 3RL, yet 3RL got 4RL

[tropic summit]

because a 4RL noah should catch a 3RL emi, unless something very weird happens (whiffs)

either that, or some timely reload

[keen vapor]

@worthy knoll we have a whiff

[drifting schooner]

well by whiff, u mean they whiffed 1 shot, so they bursted later than supposed to, so emi shot after my noah 3s right?

[tropic summit]

call the arena police

[tropic summit]

aye correct

[drifting schooner]

should i try again for experiment purposes? lol

[tropic summit]

i honestly want to hope it won't happen again easily

but feel free to

[drifting schooner]

ill try after interception

[keen vapor]

Should have done a battle in shooting range before

[keen vapor]

Guess that works as well

[tropic summit]

oh right time to get the dailies done

[drifting schooner]

how does that help

[keen vapor]

We used to do that before PVPing to avoid weird targeting and sticking to the one we know (like snipers aiming at P5 for example)

[drifting schooner]

@tropic summit nope, exact same thing happened again

[gaunt cypress]

sound:0:5

[tropic summit]

seems like you can even get that to be consistant somehow 🤨

[keen vapor]

Wth is a sound:0:5

[keen vapor]

What are your cubes and charge speed

[drifting schooner]

on who

[tropic summit]

oh right, maybe he has 17%CS on some of the nikke

[whole pawn]

I think I will have brain dmg

[keen vapor]

The entire team

[gaunt cypress]

oh you're on phone, this what it look like

[drifting schooner]

well cubes are 3 vigor and 2 resilience, so thats not the issue

[fathom rock]

What in the pc Phone imbalance is this

[whole pawn]

by any means, @fathom rock can I use centi biscuit Cindy Rh rumani for now? if no , why ? I asked rail about that Cindy comp and he said it's fine

[keen vapor]

[worthy knoll]

Where.. I don't see the Emi whiff here?

[gaunt cypress]

idk, only works fine on PC

[drifting schooner]

both noah and biscuit has 4.92 charge speed x 3, rapunzel has 4.92 x 2

[keen vapor]

Mobile losing once again

[keen vapor]

Oh goodness

[whole pawn]

was rail just yaaping

[drifting schooner]

i just rolled them once and left it, cuz i just wanted cp padding

[fathom rock]

It is 4rl
With rumani it's 3rl instead
That's just better if your cp can afford it
@keen vapor can you share opinion too?

Centi/biscuit/cindy/rh/xmaid
How is this comp?

[keen vapor]

I used to do any defender+biscuit before, so in essence

Yes, is fine

[tropic summit]

we now wondering if it was due to some CS%, it should be 4RL vs 3RL but somehow it isn't?

[drifting schooner]

so could my charge speed rolls somehow made me 3RL?

[whole pawn]

so the comp is good

[worthy knoll]

Who is 4 RL?

[keen vapor]

Is not really solid but it can do some work

[worthy knoll]

The one with crown?

[fathom rock]

Yes with rumani
But xmaid variant is 4rl and is straight up worse

[whole pawn]

so if we remove maiden and put rumani will it work better?

[fathom rock]

[whole pawn]

but that s just one team, if I had to make a jackal team, what can I add into it, maybe blanc sbs Alice and smt else?

I don't have noise or crown or noah

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor

[fathom rock]

You have scarlet don't you

[whole pawn]

between scarlet and sbs, scarlet better?

[fathom rock]

At equal invest yes

[whole pawn]

ok so if I had to make a team with jackal and scarlet, what can I add

[keen vapor]

Goodness

It happened the same thing as me :deadge: only my Rapunzel had 3 charge speed

[fathom rock]

Units that make scar comp 2rl

[upper grove]

@swift mango you have to press anywhere on the white area then the cancel dispatch screen should show up like I uploaded. also works with any regular dispatch, not only favorite items

edit: It doesn't work if you press on the icon of the item

[whole pawn]

let's say they aren't equal

[drifting schooner]

i dont know what these numbers mean

[tropic summit]

do you've 17% charge speed on biscuit and noah?

[fathom rock]

Then I'd have to ask for the difference

[drifting schooner]

no, less than 15%

[tropic summit]

what about rapu

[whole pawn]

ofc sbs came earlier, scarlet isn't ol

[drifting schooner]

4.92 x 3, thats it, rapunzel 4.92 x 2

[whole pawn]

that's impossible

[tropic summit]

yeah but it must be those in total i guess

[fathom rock]

Then sbs fine for now

[wild badge]

@keen vapor its working

[tropic summit]

without CS% of any sort that team should be 4L

[drifting schooner]

ill roll out of it then...

[tropic summit]

i guess we found the issue 🤨

[keen vapor]

I cooked?

[tropic summit]

nah keep them

[wild badge]

no

[tropic summit]

although it's bricking you from using that specific setup

[whole pawn]

jackal blanc sbs Alice viper?

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

you can still get 4RL some other way

[whole pawn]

idk I bet I have any units that can help me reach 2rl

[fathom rock]

Does alice have less hp than sbs?

[drifting schooner]

what other teams can i use

[tropic summit]

yeah that's the thing, it gets harder cooking them

[whole pawn]

idk, but I will assume no

[drifting schooner]

its ok i can roll out of them easy, shuold just take 1 rock...

[tropic summit]

hmm as you wish

[whole pawn]

this is just getting worse in every aspect

[fathom rock]

Your sbs has to have lower hp than both jackal and Alice for her to get indom, just don't worry about it too much I think your jackal no ol to begin with, jackal will boost the team regen a lot so it's fine

[tropic summit]

we found out the issue in the end

@worthy knoll @keen vapor

was CS% lines

#pvp-arena message

no whiffs involved at least 🤨

[wild badge]

you wanna cook for me?

[whole pawn]

jackal is full ol mister

[keen vapor]

But is already working

[wild badge]

contingency plan

[fathom rock]

Sbs/blanc/alice/anis/jackal then

No shot you have viper ol

[whole pawn]

does blanc gives indom for the nikke with the least HP?

[whole pawn]

she s not

I m still trying to ol biscuit, lack of materials

[whole pawn]

how much RL is this?

[fathom rock]

Least hp in battle
But jackal links herself and 2 highest attack nikke
So they are always at an equal percentage
In this case it links sbs/alice/jackal
Since they all equal percent buff goes to the one with lowest hp number

[whole pawn]

anis isnt ol too

[drifting schooner]

ok i got only 1 left on biscuit and rapunzel, but for noah, which one should i roll out of between these 2? the first one is useless, but its 3 lines of cp, the second one i feel max ammo is somewhat useful?

[fathom rock]

3rl, can go down to 2rl depending on how pepega the enemy is

[whole pawn]

this comp is 3rl? but IG need cp

so Ig that's team 2
I don't think I m in a good position where I can make T3, so best I should do is focus on 2 teams for pvp

[fathom rock]

If you lack cp you swap anis for another cp unit with decent regen to keep 3rl

[fathom rock]

Just make 2 and let T3 be an auto comp

[whole pawn]

surely I have that one

[strange linden]

is there more people with Helm's treasure now?

[whole pawn]

who could be that unit with decent rege, viper?

[fathom rock]

Alternatively rely on enemy feeding jackal

[fathom rock]

Viper/noir/xmaid/laplace treasure/bunny soda/drake/sugar/neon etc

[whole pawn]

sbs blanc Alice viper jackal?

[keen vapor]

Retro learning PVP

[whole pawn]

xmaiden might be an option

[fathom rock]

3.5rl,enemy feed will make that 3rl

[whole pawn]

what if we swap viper with xmaiden?

[fathom rock]

Same result

[whole pawn]

I see

[fathom rock]

Just use the one with more power

[whole pawn]

[wild badge]

@fathom rock is your bracket still a warzone

[whole pawn]

I might log later and find myself demoted to diamond 1 since my def team can't hold it longer

[fathom rock]

Global yes
Na made a treaty with chanyuk

[wild badge]

top 2?

[fathom rock]

Just keep pushing those challenger ranks
Easy 2.4k

[fathom rock]

Was
Not anymore tho

[wild badge]

I finally have secured c4

defense is cookin

[whole pawn]

that's hard, other contestants already reached 700k on their teams, and they have crown and noah comp, eve I can win attack teams I might fall off. before the last reset I was chal 9
after the season ends I found myself at diamond 1
this is impossible

I hate how I am progressing slowly

[fathom rock]

Nobody
Mfs with more lvls than me in campaign :

[fathom rock]

Crown sucks in pvp lucky you
Noah yeah can't fix that
Progress is slow but happens
You can still make 2.4k

[whole pawn]

YOU can, I can't , and as I said
nvm can we make a bet? I m 1000% sure that I will go sleep now at 10 pm and then I will wake up tomorrow and find myself at diamond 1 or 2

[wild badge]

i thankfully am close to 1 of the 2 giga whales in my bracket and am ahead of most people

[fathom rock]

Hey I make 2.4k too
I have the same exact situation

[whole pawn]

because no matter how I push in attack my def sucks so I can't guarantee that 2.4 k

[fathom rock]

EXCEPT THIS TIME A WHALE IS IN DIAMOND AND KEEPS BEATING ME DOWN

WHAT IS A WHALE DOING IN DIAMOND

[whole pawn]

I just want my crown, I might go to the hospital because I m imagining her, I might have schizophrenia

[fathom rock]

They are 100% coordinating against me wtf

[keen vapor]

I hate when this happens

[keen vapor]

Ikr

[tropic summit]

still didn't hit overlock 25 tho

some ppl are just weird

[wild badge]

I had someone attack me within 25 seconds of the other to go down to challenger 10

[keen vapor]

How to 50 ratio, auto?

[fathom rock]

That's just another normal day to me

[whole pawn]

can't even hit oc18,
even 17 was hell

[tropic summit]

well ammo, atk% or elem atk are all good alternatives

[worthy knoll]

Mmmh.. I think its the opponent side that is weird, rewatching it, it seem they are not exactly 3 RL

[fathom rock]

My setups
Spam xmaid for regen and save her burst as a last ditch nuke (op af if it targets boss)
If glasses boss reset

[tropic summit]

although you can leave them on noah, as long as you took them off the others

[whole pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/gog-gog-series-gog-monkey-monkey-gog-gog-meme-gif-18790442

[whole pawn]

can I do this?

[fathom rock]

You are lv230
You should try oc25 first
And you don't have sanis do you

[tropic summit]

[whole pawn]

I can't reach 20, mobs hit hard somehow

[fathom rock]

That's normal
You just gotta hit them harder

[whole pawn]

no I don't,.I need to wait 6 months

[whole pawn]

I tried, maybe I can't win without a healer

[drifting schooner]

its ok too late, now i have 1 CS on each of them, so that should be guaranteed 4RL. but again, how do i read this graph with these numbers?

[whole pawn]

not sure if there is a comp I can use

[fathom rock]

"hmm yes I'm a whale but my comps are shite, I sure hope no one comes out of the blue and demotes me to diamond"

[fathom rock]

Crown.......

[tropic summit]

the % are not necessary for you to fully understand, although once and if you get familiar, they tell you if it's a "faster" 4RL or a slower "4RL"

what you want to know is that 4RL triggers burst slower than 3RL

[whole pawn]

but u said she won't work in this current simulation?

[tropic summit]

in your specific case, you need a 4RL to trigger noah late enough to absorb emi who's already casting at 3RL

[whole pawn]

so I can't do that without crown?

[tropic summit]

viceversa, if you were to hit 3RL together, noah would expire before emi has casted the nuke

[fathom rock]

For ratio 50 yes
For ratio 25 you can absolutely use her and she is meta....

[whole pawn]

so best I can do is 17 or 16 for now? that's my wall?

[shell hazel]

I did overclock 25 and was like 220 lol

[fathom rock]

Maybe can push 20 max

[fathom rock]

And you also have better units don't you

[whole pawn]

crown?

[shell hazel]

crown yeah

[fathom rock]

There you go that's why

[whole pawn]

I hate when ppl speak without thinking, anyway

[whole pawn]

sbs rouge Rh blanc Alice can work?

[shell hazel]

I assumed you had her as retro spoke like you did

[drifting schooner]

sounds like i found something impactful with regards to this burst gen calculator, if too many CS rolls on RL and maybe SR, it could speed it up enough to make a difference

[fathom rock]

Copium comp

[shell hazel]

and you weren't using her because you said this

[whole pawn]

that's literally best I can think about, do I have some options?

[fathom rock]

Deez is crownless.

[shell hazel]

if you can do the hard mode stages you can get a few points that way, but they're a bit of a pain

[fathom rock]

Are you running team restrictions on debuffs?

Also let's move that to questions

[whole pawn]

no

idk how does this help

my internet sucks

[fathom rock]

Pvp overlords am I cooking or cooked?

[shell hazel]

if you run Rapi she counts as an elysion unit which is basically a freebie on level 1 manufacturer thing

[tropic summit]

ppl is actually intentionally getting CS% lines on batteries, just unusual to have lines enough on rapu and biscuit aswell, who are not batteries per se

in your case, that was detrimental, but a very specific scenario

[tropic summit]

20% deficit on first team

[tropic summit]

considering mod and liter presence, you could get a jackal then get high CP nikke, you'd still burst before them

the enemy T2 instead you could 3RL nuke, just beware of noir shooting p5

[drifting schooner]

very unfortunate indeed...i only rolled them once, and left it alone, yet 75% of them had charge speed, what are the chances...

[tropic summit]

haha indeed, well at least we found out and now you no longer have that chance of things going weird

[drifting schooner]

well this is still speculation for now, will have to try it again tmr before reset to see if this was indeed the reason. if not, then i just wasted rocks to reduce my cp, lmao! but then again, i cant think oif anything else that could be the cause

[fathom rock]

This looks like a lost cause

How he have so much cp

Oh yeah 💳

[tropic summit]

aye, le power of money

but uh let's see

13% deficit, only downside of T2 is unbuffed cindy nuke against a cindy

T1 is free win now

maybe exchange RH for alice

unbuffed SBS still hurts

^ just for info this is their burst gen

[white compass]

Do u guys OL Biscuit for pvp?

[tropic summit]

OL every nikke involved, lvl 0, CP helps

[white compass]

Moran not worth right

[fathom rock]

Rh is my 2nd highest cp unit tho

[tropic summit]

nothing else to balance CP between T1 and T2?

[fathom rock]

We simply pray biscuit comp lasts?

[tropic summit]

hmmm

it might work, you'll get 5s x2 invulnerability

looks good, i'd run it

[wild badge]

if you can't get the 1st team to meet 15% cp threshold, you can try it

waiting to see if invuln worked out

[white compass]

Does xmaiden have a charge speed breakpoint like Emilia?

[tropic summit]

they all do, just that emilia needs less due to her S1 giving her CS

[fathom rock]

Btw his T1 is 600k
Damn can he pay for my dupes and rocks too?
600k at 354 is insane

[white compass]

I see. Noone else is worth burning rocks for cs I assume?

[fathom rock]

Wasn't T2 deficit so tiny
Jackal link died

[tropic summit]

also you can use this to find out how it would impact your lineup, just add whether they've hit threshold or not

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[wild badge]

invuln clutched out
Was the 1st team too high cp as well?

[fathom rock]

600k
My main campaign comp is 520k
This is bs

[tropic summit]

oh wow that hurt as f on T3

you running SR5 or R15 on jackal at least?

(doll)

[fathom rock]

Sr5

[tropic summit]

dayum...

[fathom rock]

The power of 💳

[tropic summit]

yeah that's something else

[fathom rock]

And now that whale is in diamond again
My bracket is a warzone I'm telling yall

[fathom rock]

How to beat

I'm considering just running 5sg units

[tropic summit]

hmm SBS, hardcountered by Sakura or p1 + biscuit

[fathom rock]

Oh wait sg attacks p1

[tropic summit]

on attack yes, you'd need SR to hit RH in p5

[fathom rock]

I hate this game

Smh just stop being buggy

[fathom rock]

Hear me out
2rl alice

[tropic summit]

oh yeah

that wouldn't be a bad idea, but you confident she can kill RH within 3RL timeframe?

[fathom rock]

That's like what 1 sec?
That's 2 shots surely got this in the bag just gotta buff her up

[tropic summit]

i like your spirit

[fathom rock]

Alice pvp in 2025 let's go

[tropic summit]

there's only a problem

[fathom rock]

Noah taunt

[tropic summit]

yep a variable that might break it

[fathom rock]

2rl alice comp with rh b1 and have her p3 atleast

[tropic summit]

with helmT it could be doable

[wild badge]

#pvp-arena message alice works

[tropic summit]

buffed alice + noah antinuke, + running 3 SR which means p5 gets deleted

now that'd be cool

[fathom rock]

But my helm is r4

[tropic summit]

aye, still a dream sadly

what are the other 2 teams anyway, impossibru?

[white compass]

How are my sp def teams? R Anis was in xmaiden spot until a few moments ago. No Centi

[fathom rock]

Nah just checking if I could have some fun
This guy ain't a whale, respect

[fathom rock]

T1 ded by biscuit comp
T2 and t3 dead by any 2rl nuke
Not looming so good

[tropic summit]

oh you could take this guy alright at least

noah 2RL on T2 and any 3RL on T3 with jackal

[fathom rock]

Damn that didn't age well
Well that was fun

Pvp is fun ~~when your opponent didn't commit the 💳 ~~

[keen vapor]

This would have been me

[glad meteor]

Xmaiden burst not invested?

You’re using noise too, so she’s buffing xmaiden burst

Though you won that round

[tropic summit]

you almost tasted it tho

the alice sniperino on p5

[worthy knoll]

Did you already update to the latest version?

V1.3.0

[radiant storm]

Yey

S. Anis total Elem

[tropic summit]

hmm not sure, gonna doublecheck

now i did

[hoary hill]

@keen vapor btw with your team comp for sp arena iam challenger 6 now

[keen vapor]

[hoary hill]

i could probably go more far for 3 place but i dont wanna get greedy now

[keen vapor]

I know that feeling

Do it when you feel ready

[hoary hill]

i will

[harsh tendon]

current arena teams, i got some new characters since i was suggested these teams. any suggestions?

[hoary hill]

but i have too look and try to get some more cp so i dont get put back to 6 place if i wanna get him

[keen vapor]

What's your Summer Anis investment

No wait, that's Modernia skin

Can you even top 100?

[harsh tendon]

nop this is sp arena

lemme check my sanis

7/7/4

[keen vapor]

Yes, SP arena has top 100 aka diamond 10

[harsh tendon]

i see

im plat 2 rn

[keen vapor]

So brick :ded

[keen vapor]

Just end me

[harsh tendon]

what does her burst need to be

[keen vapor]

9

[harsh tendon]

i got it to 7 now

[keen vapor]

[harsh tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-chill-guy-just-a-chill-guy-relax-gif-1579445140409713118

[keen vapor]

You lack several units

You lack 200 levels

[harsh tendon]

not much i can do about that

who am i missing

[keen vapor]

reroll

[harsh tendon]

i can send u the list of nikkes i have

[keen vapor]

Emilia, Ice Maiden

[harsh tendon]

i got ice maiden

no emilia

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Guess I can try

[keen vapor]

What's the level for people at diamond 9?

[harsh tendon]

wait im almost top 100\

i cant see top 100 only top 50

[keen vapor]

exactly

[harsh tendon]

like a million, im at 600k

[keen vapor]

100 levels

[keen vapor]

Refresh list

[harsh tendon]

326, 337

272

[keen vapor]

Can you show teams for 326?

[harsh tendon]

its gone

wouldnt it be better to adjust my team rn

[keen vapor]

I'll try, just one more question
Are your current teams fully overloaded?

[harsh tendon]

not all

[keen vapor]

maybe there's a chance

[harsh tendon]

ive mainly ol'ed the attackers

[unreal latch]

@tropic summit ytd setup won 😳

[keen vapor]

Please overload

Start from Centi and Jackal so they have higher HP than Scarlet Alter and Red Hood

[keen vapor]

Actually, you can... Can?

Yeah, you can

Use Crown for higher CP

Rail, I cooked bricked PVP he better gets 900 gems per season

[keen vapor]

You can also move main burst 3 and use normal Scarlet for team 1, Scarlet Alter for team 2 and Cinderella for team 3, but for the last one Grave will be slightly better than Crown to compensate low burst generation

[tropic summit]

wew the rapu crown buff for scarlet 🤔

early sync levels it will still hurt quite a bit

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

nice glad to know it worked

[umbral crown]

so low cp for those levels

those bois are bricked

[umbral crown]

Rail getting the stonks

[eager mountain]

[glad meteor]

Doubtful, but if someone invest in milk and helm treasure, try this team against 3RL scar blanc rh

[spiral onyx]

Doesn't putting Bay in P1 break her shield and prevent her from blocking AoE nukes? Or has that changed recently

[glad meteor]

I think biscuit bay utilises the damage share so the team can tank the nuke, I haven’t tested that interaction yet. I’ve seen it take 1 buffer emi here for example

[spiral onyx]

Feels like sub-optimal usage of both Bay and Biscuits kits, but if it works it works

[spiral onyx]

Oh, I mean, that's against a single target DPS Red Hood. Anything works against that lol

Damage share doesn't do anything really against AoE nuke where everyone is getting hit

Oh wait no Emilia is the B3

[glad meteor]

Yeah

[spiral onyx]

That's weird, even with damage share that Emilia should be killing with RH buff. Underinvested?

[keen vapor]

Those comps gives me the most trouble

[glad meteor]

I think 60% damage is dealt back to the team. And 40% of it hits bay, but since she’s immune the whole aoe is reduced by 40%

[bleak shale]

this

theres also an extra distribution to her cover while its alive

but it dies really fast once burst happens

[upper grove]

is it ever worth for RH as B3 in sp arena? I have 3 ele 3rd lines on her vs the electric unit spam

[quick lake]

I think the Noise Burst + Bay Cover reduction helps to tank here

[bleak shale]

yes

usually when ur not walled by a biscuit

rh b3 is ok if ur staying alive for the whole burst

[upper grove]

aight, just like Alice and SBS then

[bleak shale]

alice with better element and no charge speed needed and can b1 b3

[upper grove]

would you lock a T11 3rd ele line and keep rerolling or try for a blue/black first?

[bleak shale]

i always lock good 3rdline

[upper grove]

yeah I know, T11 is 1% as well, might as well keep it I think

[bleak shale]

line 3 good stat is always keep

even if worst ele dmg roll i would prob temp lock and just reroll stat% after

[glacial lion]

Xanne at home

[umbral crown]

waos

[quick lake]

[limber patrol]

Milk treasure good for pvp?

[glad meteor]

I can’t reccomend, most people say she isn’t good. Just a team I thought of

[covert lintel]

pve only

[keen vapor]

I may want to cope with it

But requiring to max a doll just to do shenanigans with her burst is not really worth

Not on this economy

[limber patrol]

well for pve I heard she's pretty bad

[covert lintel]

really?
she is CDR u know

[limber patrol]

"worst cdr than sakura"

idk I only heard she's pretty bad, not even team 5 option for water weak solo raids

[covert lintel]

[umbral crown]

You doing new cooks these days?

[glacial lion]

-2s every 10 full charge is worst... its -2 every 12-13s (inc reload time)

[covert lintel]

cooking mana

[covert lintel]

she is indeed need more adjustment in OL line to work

[bleak shale]

"cdr" 2 seconds

[bleak shale]

nomatter what OL u have she wont work

[quick lake]

Would 4x CS Milk help

But kit still mid, no saving her

[covert lintel]

let whale cook
if she doesn't appear in top rank solo raid then it really bad

[quick lake]

Copium volume replacement

4x CS included

[bleak shale]

even if u get 4x black line cs it will take u well over 8s to get 10shot off asuming unlimited ammo

theres no need to wait, its pretty simple addition

u basically need to pair her with a 2nd cdr b2 or sakura in p5

[glacial lion]

milk cdr is perfect for 15s full burst though

[bleak shale]

u know who uses 15s burst? soda

u know who soda needs? tove

[glacial lion]

we will get new 15s full burst soon, maybe...

im sure su know milk cdr not enough for regular 10s full burst team

[bleak shale]

i mean most of our b3 dps are pretty relaiant on actually using the burst more than full burst window atm

so u may as well pray they give u a 2nd b3 dps thats based off full burst window along with that 15s full burst unit

thats better than alice sbs/rh/rapi/cindy ect

[glacial lion]

someone like mpriv... dmg mostly from normal skills trigger during full burst

[bleak shale]

would have to be better than mpriv, mpriv is the one to be replaced in SG team most of the time

[glacial lion]

bsoda better than her or we just cant kick her out of sg team cuz 15s full burst?

[bleak shale]

bsoda does more damage in neutral element + 15s full burst is dps gain because no cdr unit

[radiant storm]

Need to change those Def to Attck

Maiden Alt stat

[quick lake]

Look at those pve rolls

[spiral onyx]

Cooking Mana 🧑‍🍳
"Cooking" Mana

[radiant storm]

Is Rapipi good in Pvp against a stall team?

Noah, Noise, S. Anis, Biscuit, Jackal

[carmine quest]

hmmm, would helm with favourite item want quantum, resilience or charge speed now? O:

[keen vapor]

No

Unless

[keen vapor]

Charge speed more likely

I doubt quantum interacts with her skill 1

Unless

[quick lake]

I think need to ask Kosmiu. I rmb someone mentioned that q7 might affect fills, cause Rosanna did (i think)

[keen vapor]

[quick lake]

At least in this particular opponent, Rapi feeding jackal might be dangerous. Noah SAnis isnt really a stall comp per se. Against real stall comps i.e. Nero/Bay kinda teams, Rapi should be effective i think

[keen vapor]

[carmine quest]

thanks. wish there was a way to do mock battles lol, i might just change my defense teams, throw her in there, hope for the best.

[glacial lion]

rapi indom work well against everything except nuke...

[keen vapor]

Rookie arena....

[keen vapor]

[carmine quest]

wha? there's mock run battles for that? damn lol I never noticed.

[spiral onyx]

I don't think there's mock battles in rookie arena. I think he just means use rookie arena for testing cause no one cares about it lol

[carmine quest]

Oh, then yeah that's pointless. I want to do specific enemy teams etc. everyone in my bracket is running like the exact same teams all using scarlet

[swift mango]

Eh... People equip Quantum on Rossanna... And Rossanna skill 2 is basically what Helm skill 1 does.

[radiant storm]

Wdym, Noah with Biscuit is a Stall

[keen vapor]

Unless indeed

[radiant storm]

Its boggling that S. Anis isn't getting Blanc Burst

[bleak shale]

@quick lake @keen vapor last I tested it doesn't so I assume rosannas doesn't either

[keen vapor]

[radiant storm]

Lowest Hp but didn't get Blanc Burst

[keen vapor]

Unlessn't

[keen vapor]

Same

[swift mango]

How did you test it?

[swift mango]

U sure she is lowest HP, not Biscuit or RH? Or even Jackal?

[bleak shale]

Shooting range, u shoot x times then use a mg to fill in

44.8(proc+auto)*1.0466(quantum)+41.64(s1)+11.5(emma115 shots) = 100.02 was what I ended up with

[radiant storm]

Yes, she is Pos 1, against a Cindy Comp that targets Pos 1 - Pos 2

[bleak shale]

On boss so the base gen on gun and Emma and s2 proc has to be doubled

[swift mango]

Shouldn't you test one with quantum and one without quantum to compare?

[bleak shale]

The difference was 185 bullets to 161 in emma

[radiant storm]

Even if I change Pos 1 to Pos 2 S. Anis, still didn't get Blanc Burst

[bleak shale]

I did both that's how I know

[radiant storm]

Almost 11b yey

[swift mango]

Your S.Anis is likely to link with Jackal and Red Hood.

She need to be lowest HP amongst them to be targeted by Blanc.

Equip RH with Vigor. Jackal too if she is unbuilt

[radiant storm]

She is Built with almost 5m hp

[swift mango]

The problem is Red hood then

[radiant storm]

Rh is at 4.8m hp, S. Anis is at 4.72m

Dunno how she's not getting the indo

[swift mango]

Then who got hit by Blanc in your team in the end?

[radiant storm]

Jackal bruh

Like tf

Supposed to be S. Anis

[radiant storm]

I have been attacking with this comp and almost 100% S. Anis is getting Indo

[swift mango]

Are you sure that your team didn't get wipe at that moment?

[radiant storm]

After the update last week, the indo targeting is getting out of hand

[swift mango]

Jackal would be the on getting Blanc. In that case

[radiant storm]

No, Biscuit has her thing

[swift mango]

That why you got wipe and Jackal survive to eat Blanc buff

Biscuit only protect Jackal and Blanc

[bleak shale]

Did u record it

it's easier to know what happened if we can see

[radiant storm]

Biscuit has her Dedender invincibility, then Jackal gets Indo

[swift mango]

Basically he got wipe as Blanc about to burst and Blanc hit the only one left on the fieldJackal

I have seen this happened 20+ times already

Even 2 RL slower with Jackal+Biscuit+Blanc +Flex x2 would always result the same.

Jackal will survive the wipe with Biscuit amthen getting indom

It's just how dmg share, wipe and Biscuit interact

[radiant storm]

I'll try change Rh to Centi, but uhh, No buff for S. Anis

[bleak shale]

Blanc is a buff

[radiant storm]

Just like this

[radiant storm]

Not enough if the other opponent has Noise, Noah, Biscuit

Could outheal Blanc's buff

[onyx scaffold]

will I have a chance

[bleak shale]

Wym it's on sanis

[radiant storm]

The one with Cindy Opposite

Here

Need to freaking change Rh to Centi 😕

Thankfully my S. Anis is well built

[coarse lake]

another situation of jackal actively harming cindy

ppl really don't learn huh

well ig in this situation it wasn't that bad, decoy did break before cindy died

[bleak shale]

Isn't ur team with rh just too slow to fight a 3 rl cindy

[radiant storm]

Its Fast because Blanc, Rh, Biscuit, Jackal has Quantum

In those type of situations where you need long duration buffers , Blanc/Rh with Quantum is my way to go

[radiant storm]

Here @coarse lake

[bleak shale]

With Blanc in p1 u get nearly 0 feed

[radiant storm]

Lvl 11 Quantum

[bleak shale]

Looks like ur too slow for me

U know lvl 11 is the exact same gen as 7 right

[radiant storm]

Can't upgrade quantum cuz need to lvl 14 my Resil

[bleak shale]

Only stat, slot and ele DMG goes up

Ur still a full rl short

[coarse lake]

I don't think speed matters here as long as sanis gets indom

[bleak shale]

It does cuz with the rh setup he straight dies

[coarse lake]

oh with rh

[bleak shale]

Before indom which is why centi worked

[radiant storm]

4s burst with Centi

[radiant storm]

5s burst with Rh

[bleak shale]

That's a different team, sanis is feeding ur jackal

[swift mango]

Fast like 4 RL lol

[coarse lake]

wait so... what's the problem? the vids seem fine, even if too close for comfort

[swift mango]

I dare you record with RH and it's not what I said

[bleak shale]

Centi puts you back to 3rl

Compared to rh

[radiant storm]

Exactly, but it's boggling that 5s with Rh 4/5 has Quantum and is 5s burst 5:00s-4:55s

[swift mango]

He used RH instead of Centi before. Got wiped and asked why Blanc not targeting a dead ASS.

[bleak shale]

Because jackal is eating 30+ anis bullets to the face from your opponent

Which gives you gen, this is called jackal feed and it put you back to 3rl

[radiant storm]

S. Anis can't get Indo
Indo latches to Pos 5 Defender

[coarse lake]

where's the vid on that

if you're absolutely sure sanis is lowest hp of all linked, and the p5 defender is linked, then it's probably cindy doing enough to kill sanis and rh before indom could land on her, resulting in p5 defender indom

[swift mango]

Defending on Charge speed of both side but you have a good chance to win this... Could also just removing centi for someone slower... Like Crown.

[radiant storm]

Here

Dunno why tf first time its a compleye wipe, Jackal getting Indo

As I told you, its buggy sometimes

S. Anis not getting indo

[onyx scaffold]

ok sir

[swift mango]

Well, if you are sure that you were using the same line up and cubes before then it could just be a crit from Cindy that killed ASS before Blanc hit her.

[bleak shale]

It's probably rh pierce cover diff

[radiant storm]

As I told you, I am using this team against a Cindy comp with this one

[swift mango]

Are you sure you were fighting the same team as well?

[radiant storm]

And wins, but after the update, Blanc burst is not getting to the right target

[radiant storm]

Yes see this

[radiant storm]

And this

Just Changed vice versa

[swift mango]

This doesn't mean anything. Send the one that got wiped

[radiant storm]

Centi to Rh, Rh to Centi

[bleak shale]

It's probably this, 93+1 proc = 3.55 + 2x rh cover pierce = 5.6 = 9.45+93=102.45 which is enough to burst

[radiant storm]

Here

[bleak shale]

If u rng bad and rh doesn't pierce cover twice u don't burst

[radiant storm]

Fucing Varies @swift mango

[radiant storm]

Vs this

[swift mango]

This video means RH higher HP.

[radiant storm]

Still same

Both vids has Quantum 4/5

It really depends on the Frame plus if Rh will pierce cover

[swift mango]

You could just try Vigor on RH.

[radiant storm]

I'll try that tomorrow

[swift mango]

As you can see in this pic. They were bursting faster than you

They already immuned by the team Blanc selection.

[radiant storm]

I know that, 5RL and a dream

[radiant storm]

What comes is after 3s invi of Noah with this

[swift mango]

So Cindy hit first, before Blanc hit.

She could do enough dmg to kill both RH+ASS and Jackal got Blanced.

She could do enough dmg to kill only ASS and RH got Blanced.

She could do not enough dmg to kill anyone, and ASS got Blanc.

[radiant storm]

2m just to destroy a decoy 🤣

[radiant storm]

Yah 3 possible ways

Really depends on the frame and Rh piercing Noah

[swift mango]

Cindy slightly delayed 10 hit, hitting randomly as well. This is more a case than piercing cover.

So I he dmg varied defend on if she hit the linked units first

[radiant storm]

Just a compium team in Arena, trying a 5 RL vs 3 RL with 4 having Quantum is copium

[swift mango]

Two burst too close to each other for comfort

[radiant storm]

2 RL*

[swift mango]

That Cindy team was 3rl

[radiant storm]

Using Emilia in that team is much more comfort than this team

[radiant storm]

Isn't Noah, Rapu, Jackal, Centi RL?

Well Cindy is a special RL 🤔

[swift mango]

Rapu will need to be P1 to eat feed for that team to be 2rl.

Your team was closed to 3rl. Maybe thanks to CS or something.

Just watch your video again, if you can't see it, watch in 0.5 speed.

[radiant storm]

Rh has 1 Cs line

Biscuit has 3 Cs line in OL

Much Easier

[swift mango]

I think Cindy and Blanc delay was basically same time as each other.

Only like one frame difference. Not enough for Cindy burst to do its full dmg

So Cindy random targeting would make the fight random

[radiant storm]

That make sense, was actually flabbergasted that S. Anis, Blanc team is buggy

[radiant storm]

Sometimes it wins with this same enemy comp, the other other one just lost, rng win indeed

[swift mango]

Nvm...

Still the same...

I re-watched both video and and Noah s3 applied at this exact moment for both video.

So it's not cover piercing for better Burst gen at allm

@radiant storm sorry for the bunch of nonsense I just deleted. Both ASS and RH survive fighted at same speed, no cover piercings that give one video better burst gen than another.

[swift mango]

There is also Critical hit to consider. You could see when indom hit RH, the pic on the left... They Crit a few. Where as the one when ASS survive they crited only once.

[grizzled bone]

Imagine having 12m cp on one team

[swift mango]

Imagine having 2.4m on one Nikke.

[grizzled bone]

The dream

[glacial lion]

not just 12m, its 12345678

[grizzled bone]

I was rounding down cuz im lazy

[swift mango]

Imagine having 2469125.6 CP on one Nikke.

[grizzled bone]

The dream

[rich quail]

What is this sorcery?

[grand plaza]

Why do you think I lose? I prioritize burst generation but maybe I should replace Neon with a high damage character instead?

[coarse lake]

Cp diff

[grand plaza]

Considering there isn't a huge level difference between, all their characters are more invested then mine?

Btw there isn't a CP difference hit like in PVE right?

[umbral belfry]

there is, but idk the specifics fully yet, still kinda new myself

[quick lake]

There is. >15.4% deficit difference

Your CP must be > Opponent's team * 0.846, for no stat penalty

[grand plaza]

Hmmmmmm, didn't knew that. I kinda stuck here than, I created a somewhat good team with what I have so everyone above me have at least 30-40k more cp :/

[late schooner]

Does the taunt from one Nikke override the taunt already applied by another Nikke?

[umbral belfry]

maybe you can skip that team and try for t1 and t3?

unless their cp is around the same than oof

[grand plaza]

I can only create 2 good teams, already skipped one

Thats one of good teams btw lol

[umbral belfry]

[coarse lake]

Don't need good teams if they're can't get in cp range

[umbral belfry]

maybe someone more well versed can help you, i'm still a newbie

[tropic summit]

The taunt applied for last will override the previous one

[coarse lake]

A sneeze from a random team in range beats the trash that guy is using

[grand plaza]

Yeah I think I will replace Neon with either Quency EA (too low burst gen) or Maxwell (decent), my 2 highest DPS's after Alice

[coarse lake]

If you can keep jackal and Blanc it's steamroll, basically impossible to lose

[grand plaza]

So you are saying pump DPS after those 2?

[coarse lake]

You're focusing too much on burst gen when enemy will never burst

[shell hazel]

you do get a CP boost every 20 levels. i.e. 141 would give you one

161, 181 etc

[grand plaza]

Didn't know that 👌

[grand plaza]

Well, I was reading some guides and that was the suggestion 🤷‍♂️

[coarse lake]

Burst gen matters if dealing with actual decent teams

Plus they giga feed jackal already

At the end of the day, if you can't get in cp range, nothing else matters

[shell hazel]

if you can get 141 would be much closer, they're running super random units in that team so proper units should win if close enough on cp

[umbral crown]

Good

[swift mango]

Hmm... Auto team then add Jackal to replace your lowest CP. Put your strongest dps into p1.

[grand plaza]

Yeah I guess I prioritized burst gen a bit too much

[shell hazel]

bursting fast is good but if your units die before they burst then gg

if you don't already, watch the replays of the battles if you lose, can be useful to see what happens. if you quick battle there is a replay button on screen that lets you see them for that fight

[grand plaza]

I don't see a replay button here?

[shell hazel]

only when you fight it

if you do quick battle and see the results, it's there, if you leave that screen the replays aren't possible anymore

[grand plaza]

Oh ok, I always do regular fights anyway. That fight I did burst first for example, but it was simply not effective enough which is expected I guess

[shell hazel]

get to 141 will help a lot, need core dust prob

and then break the 160 wall is next as again 161 is a boost... and you can get stuck at 160 for a bit if unlucky on dupes

[grand plaza]

Yeah one nikke past 141, I am not hurrying/using boxes etc. because it looks like I will stuck at 160 for a while :/

I am saving tickets/gems for now, will make a big opening at 160, if it goes too bad I will quit game lol

[shell hazel]

I just open them to progress some, I don't open more than I need but if you have enough in boxes to get 141 it's not an awful idea to do so, later outpost levels are better

[swift mango]

Just invest in helm and Mana. You have enough extra Healing with them already

[swift mango]

He meant he would use all the pulls he had. And if he f up and couldn't break the wall, he quits.

[shell hazel]

yeah it can be hard for sure, I've been playing this with a couple of friends though and we've all managed it, just need a bit of luck and smart use of the selectors / 100 pt exchanges / silver mileage where you can

when you hit 160 you still need a bunch of core dust to get to 161 as well

[covert lintel]

mana skill 10104 right?

[shell hazel]

no resources for Mana atm

[quick lake]

Is there even space for Mana in SPA

Typical teams:
Scar Jack / Emilia
Cindy
Blanc/Noah SAnis + Biscuit

[swift mango]

She can replace off burst Rapunzel easily

[quick lake]

Hm thats true

Rapunzel benched

[glacial lion]

cindy?

[glacial lion]

scar sth ros mana
free jackal for other team

[shell hazel]

if they ever do champ arena will be useful there I imagine

[unique wagon]

I like how SGs in Arena are the most element dependent.

Imo, Sugar BSsoda (against Electric like Noise, Biscuit, and Moran) and Pepper Noir (against Rapunzel, Centi, Jackal, Rapu) are the most impactful SGs for "sniping" or "pressuring".

Yes, I have seen my Jackal got violated by 4 ELE Pepper and Noir. Not fun.

[quick lake]

BSoda under-rated because ele strong against electric units

[unique wagon]

Imo while they can be better I still think all clip SGs deserve S no matter their kit

Except Viper cus a bit niche

However Nero is fire

Viper is the only clip SG that deals damage to Nero with bonus damage

[quick lake]

Rarely gonna see Nero

[unique wagon]

U will see in Champs

[quick lake]

Possibly yeah

[unique wagon]

Moran Biscu, Nero Stall, Noah Noise, something, something.

[quick lake]

Yeah, pretty standard 👀

[mighty eagle]

Pvp team suggestions pls? For both modes

[unique wagon]

Slap in the 5 highest cp units so people think ure whale and wont hit

But honestly if ur enemies dont have Makima its free real estate with SGs

[mighty eagle]

I don’t see anyone w makima tbh

So just make sg teams

[unique wagon]

Cus they will either use some strong teams (incl. Rosanna) to beat it.

[mighty eagle]

So a sg team, a sbs team, and a Cindy team?

[unique wagon]

Do they have Moran tho?

[mighty eagle]

Mmmm

Prob

[unique wagon]

Yeah Moran is pretty much standin for Makimaless peeps

[mighty eagle]

Rip

Well do you have any suggestions on who to have my teams centered around? Like for burst

Ik emilia is pretty good

[unique wagon]

AoEs + Emilia

[mighty eagle]

Maid privaty?

Tbh I don’t win much w her

[unique wagon]

No like there are many other AoEs

[mighty eagle]

Hmmm

Sbs, Emilia, 2b?

[unique wagon]

Cindy Emilia SAnis RH are your choices of B3. Or heck u dont need AoE like Helm or Drake, etc

[mighty eagle]

Oh ic thanks

I’ll work on helm and drake when I can

Wait sanis is a good burst?

I thought she just was buffer for Cindy

[quick lake]

T1: Scarlet Grave RH Noir Jackal
T2: Blanc SBS Biscuit Emilia Noise
T3: Noah Viper Cindy Rapunzel Laplace

[mighty eagle]

Tysm

[unique wagon]

Oh I forgot Scarlet

[mighty eagle]

Oh wait I don’t have scarlet

[unique wagon]

Wait I dont see Svarlet

[quick lake]

Oh oops

[mighty eagle]

Literally my last pilgrim

Thank god for wishlist

Can I put in emilia instead of scarlet

And just replace Emilia w anis

Or is anis not a good pick anymore

[unique wagon]

That T3... Emilia RH Blanc/Noah team be like: free real est-

[mighty eagle]

Purple one

[quick lake]

No choice

[mighty eagle]

Wait why is that

[unique wagon]

Hard to counter buffed Emilia tbh

[mighty eagle]

I thought Noah teams countered rh team

[unique wagon]

Slow Noah -> get wiped
Fast Noah -> get wiped

[mighty eagle]

Should I get vipers fav item? Laplace has hers already

Ooh

[unique wagon]

Imo probably the only thing that can counter buffed Emilia sniping Noah is a much faster Noah team that can snipe Emilia

[mighty eagle]

Rip

[quick lake]

T1: Blanc Emilia RH Biscuit Centi
T2: Noise Noah Cindy SBS Jackal
T3: Auto

[unique wagon]

2 RL Scarlet: free real est

Well I used to not be able to do that but HelmTr saved my life

[quick lake]

Every attacker is free real estate

[unique wagon]

No, just run some uncommon teams they will need to solve themselves

Keep changing

[quick lake]

What unorthodox teams do u suggest

Besides stall comps

Well, doubt his bracket will have THelm so soon hopefully

[unique wagon]

Maybe this but ordered properly with Emilia burst

[quick lake]

Only 1 DPS gonna die Rosanna no longer able to double nuke, at least at higher syncs

[unique wagon]

sad

[quick lake]

Noah Cindy Biscuit also counters

[unique wagon]

[lunar dirge]

something something will be blanc emi and scar jack

[unique wagon]

Ok but technically ur Cindy not killing anyone too

[quick lake]

Blanc Emi cant OHKO nowadays

[unique wagon]

Its a stall war

[quick lake]

yeah true

Just skip this 2RL team

[unique wagon]

Or Helm snipe better maybe

[lunar dirge]

check dm

[mighty haven]

What's Helm Treasure skill mins?

[unique wagon]

10 10 x

[quick lake]

I was referring in general

[unique wagon]

Wait no

[swift mango]

10 1 1

[lunar dirge]

4/10/4 pve as a support,10/10/7,10/10/10 for jackal link nuking

[unique wagon]

10 x x for pvp 10 10 x fir pce

[lunar dirge]

check what i send

[quick lake]

Okok

[mighty haven]

What is this, 3 different opinions

[quick lake]

Skill 1 is all that matters

[lunar dirge]

for pvp

for pve you want both s1 and s2

and maybe burst once treasure is maxed

[unique wagon]

Ok for pve no need 10 10 but well 7 10 is prolly ok

What makes Helm good is her burst gen thats all

[swift mango]

For Arena, S1 is max.

For PvE, s2 is better but honestly not needing max.

For being a main b3, s3 upgrade ofc

[unique wagon]

S2 needs max for pve

[mighty haven]

thanks, I do this for now

[unique wagon]

4/10/7 is fine for pve too tbh

[swift mango]

Unless you are malding for highest rank, I doubt s2lv9 would stop her from function

[unique wagon]

Theres just no reason to stop at level 9

[unique wagon]

Need 10 S1 for pvp

[swift mango]

How about 7?

[unique wagon]

So thats why 10 10 x

[lunar dirge]

27,87% atk damage goes brrr

[unique wagon]

Best pair fot crown after naga

[mighty haven]

Balanced, since raid probably water weak

[lunar dirge]

the best if no core too

[mighty haven]

Will also help with Harvester

[swift mango]

I think she would be very good in ASS team. Finally escape the 3rl hell without needing Noah.

[unique wagon]

Sus

[unique wagon]

Can be the best if has core too

Im talking about Harvester

[lunar dirge]

true

[swift mango]

With Helm, Rapu and Mana, 2RL Nero stall no longer a dream. 🤔

Max 5 stack at 2rl easily

[mighty haven]

RIp Ein no Jackal Link, Helm too stonks

[unique wagon]

Not retarget to Blanc?

[swift mango]

Roll off helm ATK.

[mighty haven]

fixed

[swift mango]

Maybe I should OL Liter after I build helmT... With Helm burst gen, there are more room for liter and RH in 2 teams now I guess.

[young folio]

charge speed lines worthwhile for helm pvp?

[swift mango]

Yes

[quick lake]

17% cs if u really wanna go for it

[unique wagon]

Thats my defense comp but with diff units

Threw a bunch of cp padders and called it a day

[unique wagon]

No retarget to Blanc?

[young folio]

oof, cindy burstgen is sooo low- even with helm its hard to make a fast team for that

[quick lake]

yep. Can do Noah Cindy Biscuit Helm Rumani , which is 2RL iirc

[unique wagon]

Whats the reason of Cindy P2

[quick lake]

Wouldnt matter much at 2RL speed even if u feed opponent extra burst gen

Noah Centi Cindy Biscuit Helm also works

[unique wagon]

Then why not Noah Rumani Biscu Cindy Helm?

[quick lake]

Yeah that's better

Brain not braining

[unique wagon]

Summoning B1 out of nowhere

Rookie mistake

Does Cindy get hit by Laplace tho if on P2?

[quick lake]

I think so? Normal laplace splash

[unique wagon]

Enemy: taste my Rapipi that becomes 2 RL thanks to ur Cindy in P2

Rapipi Blanc X HelmTr Jackal or something

Heck Noah Rapipi also works

Free real estate

Imo Noah Cindy is a waste. It has 2 counters.

Noah Emilia and Noah Rapipi.

[quick lake]

Well, at same speed there's always alot of counters

[unique wagon]

Maybe Rapipi has less counters lmao

[quick lake]

Just slow. If u can make her teams fast thats good

[unique wagon]

Ye but Rosanna 2 RL

[quick lake]

Still need 2 buffers though

[unique wagon]

HelmTr is buffer

Lifesteal meta when

Noah Biscu Rapipi Helm Milk meta

[quick lake]

Let some one else brick their account first by treasuring milk to test

[unique wagon]

Nero Milk/Moran HelmTr Rapunzel Mana

Might as well be one of the best attacking teams.

+75% potency not a joke.

+CDR to rotate slightly faster.

[quick lake]

Yeah. Alot of investments though

[unique wagon]

I hope champs is sync 400 locked but all HP +200%

Stall team is gonna be nightmare

[quick lake]

No way they're gonna increase HP

The most we can hope for is sync locked

Champ Arena 2027

[unique wagon]

Nero Milk gonna be my ultimate comp jk

Nero Moran is probably best

Can run Biscuit SAnis Bay

[glacial lion]

No more cooking with mana and rapi

[cedar orbit]

Pvp sucks

[whole pawn]

mana is playable?

[gloomy igloo]

So, what are the best teams to use? I have pretty much everyone expect Mana.

[unique wagon]

Strong but very niche

[gloomy igloo]

I use Common SAnis Team, Old gen SG Team (but with Base Priv) and 3rd has Red hood. But stuck in challenger 8 for long time

[whole pawn]

I don't have much pvp units so can I still be able to use her?

[unique wagon]

If OLed sure

[whole pawn]

at least u are stuck on chal 8 an dont diam 1

[unique wagon]

SBS Blanc Mana Jackal for example

[whole pawn]

well she s not for now but soon

[unique wagon]

Or Blanc SBS Mana X X

[gloomy igloo]

Pretty sure it is outdated. anyway

[unique wagon]

Is that emotional support Scarlet + RHB3.

[gloomy igloo]

Unfortuntley i happened to get her for first time after 2 years of playing

[unique wagon]

Are u sure that comp isnt flipped around?

[gloomy igloo]

Scarlet has to be main B3 too?

and Yes it is not

[unique wagon]

Man how I miss this 2023 pvp comp

[gloomy igloo]

it should be Jackal > Anne > RH

[unique wagon]

Poli Privaty Pepper Drake Biscuit

So nostalgic

[gloomy igloo]

Yeah.. good days lol. was my favorite team to counter SAnis sometimes.

Privaty with Stun is what made it clutch

So, what you guys recommend, what teams i use?

Of course i'll keep SAnis team or if there is any changes

[keen vapor]

@tropic summit SBS comp against Scar 2rl indom is inconsistent

[gloomy igloo]

I guess no one, hmm.. I guess i'll make a SBS team instead of OG SG team

[keen vapor]

Yes

[keen vapor]

I'm not seeing all your nikkes so I wouldn't be able to know you had SBS

[gloomy igloo]

Oh, you want me to post all my available Nikkes? I have everyone expect Mana, That's what i said

[glad meteor]

No emilia?

[keen vapor]

Try this

[gloomy igloo]

I have her

I said everyone expect Mana

[glad meteor]

Can try that I guess

[gloomy igloo]

142 from 143 Nikkes. So Yeah

[glad meteor]

Though rumani p1 is rough

[gloomy igloo]

hmm Rumani

Interesting

[gloomy igloo]

those are for 3 teams?

[keen vapor]

Yeh

[keen vapor]

[gloomy igloo]

time to invest on Rumani

[keen vapor]

Emilia P2 is rougher

[gloomy igloo]

nothing rough unless crystal bad rng hit you

[unique wagon]

Me running 5 SGs this is free real estate

LaplaceTr better instead of Emilia

[keen vapor]

When I can overload

[unique wagon]

LaplaceTr puts pressure on 5 SG comps

[gloomy igloo]

I need more team recommendations tbh

[unique wagon]

Kick Emilia

[glad meteor]

Need helmt
So cindy + 2 clip + flex for 2RL

[unique wagon]

Use XMaiden Laplace+ or Laplace+ HelmTr at the very least.

[glad meteor]

Or else p1 becomes too weak or need to use anis

[unique wagon]

Risky

[gloomy igloo]

HelmTr = with favorite item?

[unique wagon]

5 SGs can run them down lol

Wait nvm

2 RL

But if Noise dies is it still 2 RL lmao

[glad meteor]

i don’t think a lot of people use 5SG, i think maybe strong lap+

[unique wagon]

Noise is 5.6 so safe

Still 2 RL

Yeah that works

[keen vapor]

Can't

[keen vapor]

Yes

[unique wagon]

Can

[gloomy igloo]

So what about DrakeTr?

It's very good for 5SG if im not mistaken

[keen vapor]

I don't have Laplace with 2 stars even

[gloomy igloo]

It's like she got combined with Tove somehow