pvp-arena

[coarse lake]

yeah I don't, but I can match the timings of whose burst happened after who and match it with the ones for the speed

and it matches up

[swift mango]

And it count Emi 21% hit at 3RL when she actually hit at 3.3rl

[keen vapor]

Ok, time to start

[tropic summit]

🍴

[keen vapor]

249 Emilia

[autumn solar]

Is that bad?

[keen vapor]

Well, aren't people in your bracket higher than you? I feel like you're missing 20 levels

[tropic summit]

i started 2 or 3 patches before emilia and i'm 312 🤨 (or at least most of the non-whale bracket are)

[keen vapor]

See?

[swift mango]

This is actually a 3.3 RL team.

Unless Emilia hit 16%✓CS without s1.

[tropic summit]

take a look at your pvp bracket and see how are other ppl levels compared to you @jolly pike

[coarse lake]

I know they're not a 3.3rl team bc of the timings

their b2 (4.24rl) happened right after my b3 (4.16rl)

if they're any faster than 3.5rl their b2 would happen earlier, which it doesn't

[swift mango]

Anyway, there could be a delay but it should be like 0.2RL at best until the 2nd round of 5 hit. 1RL difference Noah won't be able to save the team.

[coarse lake]

1rl prob won't make it yeah, cutting it super close

0.5rl for both blanc and noah should be very doable as long as no one gets 1 shot by cindy burst, and they're not the first target

[keen vapor]

Wait those are the winter units and rerun hasn't happened yet

[swift mango]

Well, that would be hard to confirm because they could already be ded at first round of 5 shots. And the delay which would come at 2nd round of five shot doesn't matter.

[keen vapor]

@tropic summit we have a brick problem

[coarse lake]

to die to the first round of 5 they gotta get 1 shot by cindy

it seems to randomize the order for first 5 shots, then repeats that order for last 5

so there is always a gap of 5 shots between first and second hit on any particular nikke

[swift mango]

I remembered Noah got killed in one of the Video in earlier days of Cindy. So I would say even if Noah could catch Cindy at 0.5RL difference it could maybe only 3-4 of the last 5 shots.

[coarse lake]

biscuit-less noah?

then noah can very well die to first round of 5 since already quite damaged and no biscuit

[tropic summit]

yep, there seems to be a brick upon a brick there my good sir

[swift mango]

I guess.

[coarse lake]

hard to say how good the avg cindy is, since mine is stacked to the moon, mine can 1 tap crit kill a full hp enemy unbuffed that's like 30 sync higher

[keen vapor]

He's even at worse level than me, and I'm already behind

[coarse lake]

[tropic summit]

ever cooked on copium @keen vapor ?

[coarse lake]

enemy emis always die in 1 hit non-crit unbuffed

but for typical cindies if your noah team can survive first 5 I'd say you got a good chance of living through

you would never wanna attempt it unless desperate, but it's an option

[tropic summit]

what did you feed your cindy @coarse lake , you making the new queen or something

[coarse lake]

101.23% Ele, 41.61% Atk, 137.86% Ammo, 6.39% Cr

[tropic summit]

oh at least it's not 4 blue lines of atk%

[coarse lake]

bad luck on atk rolls

[swift mango]

Maybe the Enemies didn't invest enough into their Arena nikke lol.

[coarse lake]

not min-maxed, but pretty good invest still

they nearly cp diff me

[tropic summit]

good thing we'll never be in Agent PvP bracket

[coarse lake]

also I found out that liter buff >>>> noise buff for cindy

it's not even remotely close

[swift mango]

100% Ele is huge but only work on Emilia likely.

[coarse lake]

yeah just emi

[swift mango]

Oh nice Idk how to take this info though.

[keen vapor]

So stacked

[coarse lake]

not much to take from it, noise usually still better for gen and sustain

but it's interesting info, noise isn't that much of a buff for cindy

[tropic summit]

considering cindy already thirsty burst gen, throwing a liter in the loop is kinda restrictive, but if the buff matters it's good to know 🤔

[keen vapor]

then what should I do

[swift mango]

Granny can retire

[tropic summit]

liter still working non-stop 2 years in, SU still refuses to give her a break

[swift mango]

Does Liter Buff count the ATK granted from OL line?

[tropic summit]

at least there was an attempt with DKW and Dorothy

(although only on CDR)

[keen vapor]

No, is from base

[coarse lake]

unbuffed is 4.39mil, noise buff is 5.33mil, liter is 5.73mil on emi non-crit

noise buff is still closer to liter than it is to unbuffed, but the diff is big

[swift mango]

Your Noise S3lv10 right?

[coarse lake]

lvl 7

rh b1 buff would be insane

caster atk, so scales much much higher than liter

if I lvl 10'ed noise it still wouldn't top 5.5mil

[tropic summit]

so it's 21% against 30% increase

based on those numbers liters adds a 9% bonus compared to noise, at the cost of less burst gen

[coarse lake]

contrary to popular belief, cindy scales better with atk than hp

yes even on OL gears, my cindy gets more dmg from lvling atk-boosting gears, although it's quite close

what skews the perception is how good rouge is at buffing hp

[keen vapor]

Woah

[coarse lake]

even then, my rouge is pretty similar to liter for cindy dmg last I checked

a lot of that is bc rouge buff actually lasts 10 sec rather than 5, so liter has disadvantage

[swift mango]

How is your Cindy doll?

[coarse lake]

max

[swift mango]

Max gear too?

[coarse lake]

yup

[coarse basalt]

It's because the conversion is small. About at 2.something only iirc.
Making her flexible

[tropic summit]

it's a good thing cindy is flexible

[swift mango]

And skill as well?

[coarse lake]

yup

s2 actually coming in clutch

[swift mango]

Thanks for sharing

[keen vapor]

Maxed skill 2

[coarse lake]

in noah biscuit cindy vs slower indom bscar, in the last second or so, when their bscar is doing their last boosted s1 nuke, I only have cindy left

[swift mango]

That's the reason she could survive nukes lol... And some HP bonus as well.

[coarse lake]

if other dps they would die right before they can kill bscar, cindy's decoy eats that hit

so actually the most consistent way to deal with indom bscar

[keen vapor]

Indom 4 RL how does it even manage to work

[tropic summit]

that's... a question I was asking myself earlier

but then again, if those screenshot are real, it simply did

[swift mango]

Isn't the most consistency way to deal with Indom SBS being Sakura s3 lv10?

[coarse lake]

ok maybe

but even then, rh and blanc buffed bscar might still kill you

blanc helps cancel out sakura, so you only get dmg halving

[swift mango]

Just need some healing. To heal that 9.3% dmg

[keen vapor]

I'm lacking burst manuals

[coarse lake]

rh helps boost...yeah you still die without a way to invalidate the attacks

[tropic summit]

i'd still rather not build a sakura for that sole purpose tho

[coarse lake]

nah problem is blanc, counteracting sakura

[swift mango]

With SR Doll 9.3% should come to 0% no?

[coarse lake]

blanc buff is same category as dmg taken/dmg reduction

so reduces it by 40%

now you only got about 50-60% dmg reduction multiplier

if you used a diff b2 it would work yeah

but diff b2 means no buff or you got no sustain, so you win anyway

I know blanc is same category as doll, dmg taken/reduction

[keen vapor]

@coarse lake is still worth to wishlist Rosanna at 310 synchro?

[coarse lake]

not actually sure about sakura, it's dmg dealt

a bit diff I think?

[swift mango]

Well, you could add Bay 10% reduction and Tempering cube on top... And make it 80% still.

Good to know though, thanks.

[coarse lake]

at the end of the day, if you meet someone willing to lvl 10 sakura burst, you're already dealing with an extreme nutjob

[swift mango]

I guess. It's debuff, not buff

[coarse lake]

yeah that's the thing that makes me think it could be diff

[swift mango]

So should stack multiplicative

[coarse lake]

but not sure

there isn't any other dmg dealt source that I know of

it might just function like dmg taken

[swift mango]

Blanc is also a debuff though....

[coarse lake]

blanc and doll are both buff/debuff that affect the receiver

so additive to each other, sakura is affecting attacker

which makes it weird

@spiral onyx is sakura burst dmg dealt additive with blanc and doll dmg taken/dmg reduction

or is it a separate multiplier

[swift mango]

Blanc debuff your nikke. Doll buff your nikke.

I guess they stack additive because so.

But Sakura doesn't buff your Nikke but Debuff your enemy instead.

Maybe could only be countered by units like Grave or Crown?

[keen vapor]

Is not that simple

[coarse lake]

you mean atk dmg?

I don't think it's in that category

the dmg formula calcs on nikke.gg so old, doesn't say anything about dmg dealt

I don't think we have any other source of dmg dealt

[swift mango]

Oh well not like anyone build Sakura s3lv10 anyway

[keen vapor]

I still don't have Sakura :deadge:

[coarse lake]

yeah

no one honestly uses sakura counter

if they pvp brained enough to do it, they can taunt defender + biscuit you or just rosa snipe anyway

[loud sonnet]

[swift mango]

Maybe one day they would release a super meta buffer for only SBS and propel her into EX tier in Arena and everyone would need Sakura to counter her.

[coarse lake]

with cindy, bscar as dps is less relevant

[keen vapor]

CA arena

[coarse lake]

used to have importance of being dps that doesn't need buffer (like sanis), but cindy does same thing now

dps that don't need buffer are honestly what we need, bc we have so few buffers

unfortunately that will prob only come from pilgrims with rare exceptions

got like half a dozen mid b3 nukers that require double buffer, not really worth building just for pvp

I still use bscar a lot on atk though

[lone imp]

Now that I have Biscuit and Blanc, who would they replace?

[coarse lake]

noah/pepper/biscuit/centi/cindy
scarlet/blanc/rh/anis/(drake or bsoda, whoever is higher cp)

[bleak shale]

Blanc and Sakura are both additive to dr

We know this because Sakura can stack with ludmi on train to 100%

And blanc can reduce glass shield off 100% dr

[coarse lake]

oh ok

[bleak shale]

Doll should also be additive but I never checked the math, usually dr stacks with dr bracket

[coarse lake]

then yeah blanc reduces effectiveness of sakura then

[leaden canyon]

Need some new teams, I'm out of ideas

thats the current

it worked once

[empty cedar]

What a guy to lose so quick right after

[coarse lake]

what's your noise and noah cs

[leaden canyon]

noah 3.45, noise 7.2

I could try and roll for some break points

idk what they would be

[coarse lake]

noah/biscuit/noise/cindy/laplace (quantum on noah biscuit laplace)
emilia/blanc/ein/rh/rumani
scarlet/xanne/flex/flex/jackal

[leaden canyon]

I also think that the guy killing me is using shotguns on attack

[coarse lake]

doesn't change anything, unless they can kill scar and also xanne before you burst

[swift mango]

Oh yeah, just realized. But won't you be brick xAnne too if she doesn't come back this year? Comparing to others in your bracket?

[coarse lake]

[tropic summit]

why must you make the poor lad suffer so much

[coarse lake]

.... yup

although mari is a decent replacement

[leaden canyon]

did rosanna and anis for the flex, I have a nuke rosanna

[coarse lake]

then yeah use rosa

[swift mango]

Why not Grave in that case?

[coarse lake]

grave buff is only a tad bit higher, and a tad bit more gen, but feeds enemy jackal

mari's own dmg makes up buff diff

and lets you have a chance against bay blocks, gotta be timed well still

[swift mango]

That tad bit more gen make her similar speed to Xanne

[coarse lake]

yeah but my teams don't need the extra xanne/grave gen

well regardless all 3 are cope af options

but we're prob never getting actual powercreep in that role

[keen vapor]

There aren't many to begin with, just a couple

Also, remember, we already had to wait for Summer Anis the last summer

[bleak shale]

ive been bricked for 2 years and its been ok

[solid flare]

x anie will comeback.

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Trust

[calm gull]

surely

[coarse lake]

doubt it's happening

had enough of this rerun cope this year

from half anni doro to anni rh, xanne ain't happening

[bleak shale]

The seasonal banner rerun is the most likely reruns no?

[swift mango]

Well, if they have the leeway to build Sakura s3lv10 to counter SBS surely they could have a built Ade and bring her to counter Blanc too, right?

[bleak shale]

Did they decide on if they want to seperate banner or put as offbanner inside winter?

[valid fern]

alice buffer or red hood buffer?

[coarse lake]

yeah but they didn't announce xanne/xrupee

[calm gull]

yeah like last summer

[coarse lake]

only xlud and xmica, makes me think they only plan to rerun prev year's

[bleak shale]

[calm gull]

Alice's is nice and cp diff

[swift mango]

RH is stronger. But if you need Alice to get out of 15.4% deficit then use her.

Both need higher HP than SBS for it to work. So put Vigor on them if their HP is lower.

[valid fern]

wheres this HP req coming from?

[swift mango]

Blanc indom hit the lowest hp. And their HP is shared with Jackal so they take same amount of Dmg.

So the one higher hp at begin with have higher at the end and vice versa.

Drunk Scarlet dmg herself so it doesn't matter but to use other unit with Jackal+Blanc it's matter

[valid fern]

oh so thats how Jackal works

this was how much SBS did without buffer before running out of Indom

so I wonder if Alice would make the difference

[swift mango]

Use RH in that case.

Unless that get you above 15.4% deficit. Then use Alice.

[valid fern]

its unfortunate my RH has such shit lines so I basically have no cp padding on her.

[swift mango]

You could burst with RH too in that case. They have nothing to Block RH after 3 sec of Noah.

And RH burst deal better dmg.

But yeah, RH give better dmg buff then Alice, unless deficit involved.

[valid fern]

RH in slot one means she bursts all by herself. 1-2-3 right?

[swift mango]

Yes unfortunately

Maybe continue with SBS so you don't have to rebuild

[valid fern]

maybe she'll be fine in slot 2

and blanc slot 1

[swift mango]

Blanc could use Biscuit help to survive

Blanc+RH+Biscuit+Anis+Jackal usually. Check for deficit though

Vigor on Biscuit

[void pendant]

Greetings, is flora good for pvp?

[kindred tinsel]

no

[keen vapor]

@strong hull will want a word on this

[kindred tinsel]

[keen vapor]

But generally, no
Whatever Thien cooked is niche as much

[nocturne arrow]

does centi better on this team or biscuit better?

[keen vapor]

Centi

Centi is fast

Speed is crucial in PVP

[fast relic]

Looking for some feedback if anyone has a moment:

I very recently pulled Rumani and Pepper. These are my current teams. The first and second are both 3RL, the last is just CP bloat nonsense. I do not have any additional pvp nuke characters like Scarlet or Ein. Maybe QEQ or SSakura works?

Where should I look to incorporate Pepper and Rumani into my current teams, and at what point does it make sense to veer away from CP bloat third team and attempt to create a real third team?

[grizzled bone]

• QEQ is viable but not our first choice for B3 DPS because most of the available DPS units for PvP are electric. It's going to depend heavily on your bracket and what their rosters are.
• SSakura's dmg mostly comes from her S2 not her burst so you'll rarely see people use her as their B3 option and use her for the constant dps
• Pepper has decent heals, burst-gen (clip SG), and her burst can deliver decent single target dmg
• CP gap teams working depends on your bracket and your own roster, if you're far ahead then you're probably safe making your opponents fight your two actual teams but you'll have to maintain that gap

if you wanted to change your third team I would try adding more speed because Privaty is very good at punishing slower teams, and getting rid of Modernia because she just feeds Scar-Jack teams

[keen vapor]

Caishen working

[grizzled bone]

IRL yeah

[keen vapor]

[fast relic]

Didn't realize elemental advantage was a real thing in pvp. Good to know.

For some context, I am perennially 5/6th on my server, no changes on rookie with the 'reshuffle.'

I can get knocked down as far as diamond 1 on occasion, but usually only drop to 8 or 9 overnight. Very few below me can consistently beat me.

My CP gap team is effective against some players, but most other Gap teams are stronger than mine.

Follow up Q: Is going faster than 3RL for the Cindy team potentially worthwhile? I think this would involve replacing Noise with Rumani or Centi.

[grizzled bone]

• elemental advantage became more important with OL lines
• if you're not 1st with your CP gap team then maybe it's time to make the change since you can be dropped as low as D1, I'd wait to see how your SPA shuffle is (tomorrow)
• you essentially are using a god-comp with Cindy with different positioning, adding more speed may weaken her team and/or weaken your other teams (either because of lacking speed or cp)

I'm curious why you positioned Cindy's team that way actually

[keen vapor]

Pseudo God comp

[grizzled bone]

yeah no Rapunzel and Jackal+Noah in a interesting position

[fast relic]

Noise will taunt first, so she needs to stay on an end. I want her to burst to buff Cindy. Noah needs to taunt as well so she needs to get on the other end. Cindy gets target skipped if she is in P1 or P2, and she has to come before Noir for burst purposes

[keen vapor]

Actual thought put into team building a miracle

[fast relic]

I regularly have to fight a team with a 23% CP gap with that team, so I find the noise buff helps to make sure the Cindy burst clears

Noise is also overloaded to make sure she links with jackal

[grizzled bone]

Noise and Noah taunt priority depends on their CS though, normally it works with Noah having priority. Could be something worth checking as it could affect your team building.

e.g. if your Noah is gaining priority and dies early then your team isn't bursting

[fast relic]

If Noah is taunting first, would it make more sense to roll for CS on Noise, roll off of CS on Noah, or try to use the CS cube to adjust?

[grizzled bone]

so the taunt priority works normally with Noise having CS advantage but if you wanted consistency for team building you should either have same/similar CS on both or the easier/less expensive option would be to get rid of your CS lines all together

you could use the Adjutant cube to manipulate it but most of the time you'll want to use a different cube as it is not the best option for PvP

[valid fern]

can unbuffed Cindy nuke a Noise'd team? I might be trying to cope with 2RL Cindy.

[fast relic]

Okay cool I just rolled the CS line off Noah and rolled one onto Noise to close that loop. Going to level a piece of gear to make sure I didn't have any jackal link issues.

[grizzled bone]

i guess it depends on how beefy the team is and how weak your Cindy is in comparison. If Noise is the only factor to worry about then it shouldn't be a problem?

[real spindle]

Need help building teams, been failing to build any good ones.

[grizzled bone]

SP Def

Noise-Noah-Rapunzel-Cindy-Centi
SBS-Blanc-Liter-Noir-Jackal
Crown-Alice-RH-Biscuit-Drake

T3 is a leftovers team. You can use RH instead of Liter on T2 if you wanted more CP

you seem to be a returning/casual player based on your roster. Keep in mind it is unlikely you will catch up to your peers in your brackets

[thin geyser]

Please help build team for sp arena

[keen vapor]

I calculate 2 months account but Pilgrim count is too high, so maybe 3-4 while skipping Evangelion Collab?

[thin geyser]

Im starting when Quency

[keen vapor]

2 months it was

[thin geyser]

yeass about so

[keen vapor]

That's a lot of Pilgrims still (and yet, Noahless....)

[umbral crown]

[thin geyser]

yeaa happy and sad at same time. Got 4 Harransss instead

[keen vapor]

I want to know the client I'm cooking for what's wrong with that

[keen vapor]

Not Harrans

[umbral crown]

you know

[keen vapor]

He's not even close to being bricked literally the opposite!

[fast relic]

I would gladly take 4 harran if that's the price for getting RH, SBS, and Crown off banner. lord Almighty

[keen vapor]

yeah, I know that

She even has a good burst animation

[fast relic]

I'm sitting here with 2 Harran and none of the good ones lol

[keen vapor]

Noah allows for Challenger place tho

[umbral crown]

my rival is noahless and still C2

[fast relic]

That's true I'm 1/7 on Pilgrim molds and that was Noah

[umbral crown]

has more cp and level than me

[keen vapor]

Whale he's whale

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

🐳

[thin geyser]

so umm, how about the team guys?

[umbral crown]

echo willcool

[keen vapor]

Sorry, it takes me time

[umbral crown]

cook

[thin geyser]

okiiii

[umbral crown]

you see echo, always go with the teams first, do not give this costumer a bad experience

[keen vapor]

Now that I know the customer I know that he can "auto and hope for the best" for third team

[umbral crown]

[vapid lake]

Wears many costumes

[keen vapor]

It got a little tricky to prepare thanks to the lack of Centi but made it work somehow@thin geyser

Preferably give quantum cube to Jackal

You can also replace first team with an "auto" one and use Rumani instead of Noir for second team

[fathom rock]

I lost to a comp that "bursts never" by them bursting despite using 2rl

[keen vapor]

Exactly my point to auto team

Well, Noise Blanc is strong combo

So there's sinergy

[fathom rock]

[quick lake]

Any ideas to beat this team ?

3RL comp

[keen vapor]

Noah it

[fathom rock]

Just copy their comp and make it 2rl

[thin geyser]

Thanks Echooo~
I have quantum lv 3 and can give to 2 nikke. Jackal and who?

[keen vapor]

Even better

[graceful grotto]

noah that scarlet kewk

[quick lake]

If we dont use Noah is there any way? hm yeah. 2RL kinda works too

Back to cooking tmr

[graceful grotto]

if u can kill scarlet, even if xanne burst revive, scarlet will be buffless i think

[keen vapor]

I guess Rumani since she's on slow team

[thin geyser]

okiiee tysm

[strong hull]

No.

[keen vapor]

Cindy tho

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

Oh well, if revive happens nuke is weak

[keen vapor]

[graceful grotto]

if revive, scarlet will be the one bursting no?

unless xanne die too

[keen vapor]

Yup

[quick lake]

yeah, but scarlet without her stacks is weak

[graceful grotto]

yeap

kill that drunklord

[keen vapor]

Right right

[strong hull]

I dont remember telling ppl to use flora on pvp lol

[keen vapor]

[graceful grotto]

bruh need to stop with the flora simp

[strong hull]

Somehow i feel like using her

Lol

[fathom rock]

[keen vapor]

Noah it

Or SBS indom it

Wait no, Noah biscuit

[grizzled bone]

[fathom rock]

I was about to try sbs indom

[strong hull]

[fathom rock]

Then I realized they would just invul for 10 secs straight

[strong hull]

Was fun using flora on team building

[keen vapor]

SBS indom is slow tho you have an extra second

[quick lake]

2-2.5RL probs. Team is slow

[fathom rock]

Is it not 3rl

[keen vapor]

That's true

[quick lake]

Might be 3.5

[keen vapor]

Cindy plummets speed

[quick lake]

okay maybe 3

[umbral crown]

2 RL noah

[keen vapor]

My favorite

[quick lake]

Will cook a team tmr. No Emilia

[umbral crown]

noah biscuit will counter SBS

[umbral crown]

🧱

[fathom rock]

Emilia indom

[quick lake]

[fathom rock]

Or emilia lack dmg

[keen vapor]

No, Noah will block

[fathom rock]

If both 3rl noah still block?

[keen vapor]

Well....

[fathom rock]

4/7/7 21% cs

[keen vapor]

Maybe not, maybe

[quick lake]

2RL Scarlet left

[umbral crown]

the chance is really low

so you better 2 RL

[fathom rock]

I wanna avoid enemy noah not walk into it

[quick lake]

I realised that 2RL Cindy vs 3RLNoah, Noah can block almost half of cindy's sequential attacks. No longer nukes

2RL scarlet still best

[keen vapor]

her PVP gaming is over

[umbral crown]

you need noah to counter cindy

thats normal

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

[umbral crown]

go cook

[fathom rock]

[umbral crown]

imagine maxwell

ba cook retro

[fathom rock]

Blanc died

[umbral crown]

remember, try to match speed, not all teams that are 3 RL will burst at the same time

[strong hull]

Im lurking now

[fathom rock]

We bursted same times it's just that blanc died

[strong hull]

Trying to learn pvp

[umbral crown]

if just blanc...

[keen vapor]

All just bc I lurked first amazing how domino works

[fathom rock]

Even emilia

[umbral crown]

investment issues

[fathom rock]

You want me to get 4x def ol?
Maybe just sr15 will do

[quick lake]

Tempering cube 7

[fathom rock]

My tempering is lv2 because it's smh the only cube that never dropped from Sr

[keen vapor]

Beautiful

Help my bracket is filled with whales

[strong hull]

Havent learn any yet

[umbral crown]

Charge Speed

[umbral crown]

that cp is not a problem, ez

[thin geyser]

Thanks @keen vapor it works!!
hopefully the defense can hold

[keen vapor]

For attack it depends on the target

[umbral crown]

if anything blame echo

[thin geyser]

ohh really? I just do the 2nd team and auto team + 1 nikke

2nd team reaallyy strong

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

Blue CP'ing I was right, you're strong in level

[keen vapor]

One of the classics of the house

[fathom rock]

Charge speed won't keep blanc alive

[thin geyser]

mmhm, so I skip the highest cp defense, 2nd cp defense do the 2nd team (will win even lower CP) and lowest cp defense auto team.. I still don't really understand how pvp works

[keen vapor]

You learned the basics naturally so much power, so much potential

[quick lake]

Just CP gap ur opponent

[umbral crown]

thats on emilia

[keen vapor]

I would suggest to take a view to fundamentals of PVP

Or to Pridwen /nikke GG websites

[keen vapor]

I did SR 5 doll + tempering cube

[thin geyser]

niiiccee, thank you.. I'll learn alot

[keen vapor]

hope you enjoyed our MA service, please keep looking forward to it

[fathom rock]

[fathom rock]

4 black lines won't happen

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Who said it needs to be 4 black lines

[fathom rock]

She already has 21 what next

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/lylanxia-wolfcubus-anime-no-no-shake-head-gif-15004465391284655198

[umbral crown]

Use centi and jackal

[quick lake]

More cs in general, makes RL shoots faster right? So when paired with some AR/MG units, you can burst a lil faster

4x cs all RL units

[keen vapor]

Best I got was 3

[quick lake]

Just need 1 more

[umbral crown]

If it was that easy

[thorn marlin]

wsg chefs can someone help me cook up 5 teams for SP

if ur done js ping me

[rich quail]

5 teams?

You only need 3

[thorn marlin]

oh

oh right mb i forgor my mind still thinking abt SR, can you help with pvp?

because i have a lot of skillbooks and i js wondered which units i also gotta invest in js in case for SR and pvp

[quick lake]

T1: MPriv Drake Mari Liter Jackal*
T2: Blanc Biscuit Scarlet BSoda Centi*
T3: Noise Cindy Sugar Anis Tia

Put Sugar and Drake into Synchro
Units with *, advised to put quantum cube

[rich quail]

there u go

Rheax got u covered

[thorn marlin]

okie tysm

[quick lake]

Good cook if I do say so myself

[rich quail]

Just to check, since you asked.

Tell us your skill investments and gear on Scarlet and Cindy

[woven acorn]

can someone help me build a team for pvp and sp arena? i can't beat those cinderella team with my emilla 😦

[thorn marlin]

10/5/7 and 10/4/7 respectively

[rich quail]

Good start for sure

Maxing both is very beneficial

Actually

[graceful grotto]

10 7 10 scarlet (10 10 10 if you're heavily relying her on PVP), 10 10 10 cindy

[rich quail]

Cindy is 10/7/10 I think

Yeah I rely on Scar a lot

Both nuke and indom

That’s why I have 10/10/10

[thorn marlin]

e

[graceful grotto]

i have her at 10 7 10, she'll be the next 10 10 10 after i maxed out naga

[graceful grotto]

laplace treasured?

[rich quail]

Ah, I have 10/7/10 Cindy

It’s best to max S2 isn’t it? That’s decoy

[thorn marlin]

my brackets all whales cuh😭

[quick lake]

Just more reflect dmg iirc

[woven acorn]

yes

[woven acorn]

my current pvp team is blanc/emi/noise/laplace/jackal but it can't beat cindy team

[quick lake]

Sadge. Not much of an option. Are you buying the event currency to farm stage11 event hard?

[strong hull]

[thorn marlin]

uh no

im saving gems for christmas

[strong hull]

Only took you 700 gems

[thorn marlin]

unless its an investment

[strong hull]

Not that hurt.

[thorn marlin]

hurts for an f2p

but ok

[coarse lake]

if you don't buy it you'll get further and further behind everyone else who did buy it

[strong hull]

That good for f2p bruh

[quick lake]

Not buying the event currency actually sets you back quite alot in term of cd

[thorn marlin]

ah-

[quick lake]

You can lose out 20+ levels. Make you bracket's F2P looking like dolphin/whales

[thorn marlin]

ok just did that

[quick lake]

Ideally should always buy out the event currency, and farm the event stage hard, 20h coredust box

make sure 100% drop rate!

[thorn marlin]

ah, then how do u manage resources then

bcos i've been very careful with how i use them end up i dont use them as much as I would like to

[little oak]

I think my server given up on PvP, haven’t changed my team for 2 months get attacked once every 3 days😭　been rank 5

[graceful grotto]

Blanc-SBS-Liter-Noir-Jackal (3.5 RL)

Noise-Centi-Cinderella-Laplace-Tia (3 RL)

Moran-S.Anis-Emilia-Anis-B.Soda (2.5 RL) - Can consider swapping Mari in instead of Anis (it will become 3RL)

[quick lake]

Hmm yeah. In theory you shouldnt be pulling every banner. Technically only pull for every BIG banner i.e. half/full anniv, summer, winter, collab. Everything inbetween you skip

[thorn marlin]

ye

[graceful grotto]

for rookie

Blanc-Emilia-Liter-Laplace-Jackal

[quick lake]

So you can be saving for 3-4month stretch at a time

[thorn marlin]

idk if i shld use them yet

[woven acorn]

why liter replace noise?

[graceful grotto]

can do noise, but i wanted emilia to take the hit instead of noise so blanc can indo her

[quick lake]

Push campaign as far as you can. Once walled, just open some boxes and push again. But yeah, early game 200+ synchro can be tough

[graceful grotto]

u can try both and see, noise has better RL overall (2.5RL)

[woven acorn]

i will try this, with noise i can't beat cindy team

[graceful grotto]

if you're doing noise

Do

Blanc-Noise-Emilia-Laplace-Jackal

[thorn marlin]

how do ik if i get walled

[graceful grotto]

which cindy team you're trying to attack actually?

[quick lake]

If you feel you're stuck, or campaign deficit >30% i guess

[graceful grotto]

technically aiming to kill cindy, it can be tricky without noah

[thorn marlin]

can help me make team for campaign?

[strong hull]

Sure.

Promise i wont use flora

[thorn marlin]

i dont have flora

[strong hull]

[quick lake]

Tia Liter Naga Asuka Alice/Mod/(maybe Cindy)

Should be your best campaign team for now

[graceful grotto]

Tia Cinderella Alice Liter Naga

manual play that alice for burst gen

[strong hull]

Liter Grave Asuka Alice Modernia

👍

[quick lake]

Everyone gave diff teams

[graceful grotto]

lmao this would work if survivability isn't an issue haha

[thorn marlin]

which one-

[strong hull]

The ultimate Pierce nuking team

[quick lake]

This team is good

[strong hull]

While Modernia gain asuka buff

[thorn marlin]

okie

[graceful grotto]

it really stage-dependant

[strong hull]

[graceful grotto]

modernia when you're doing wave clear

cindy when you're doing bosses

[quick lake]

First team is a toughie, 2nd is easy

[graceful grotto]

this team is so slow 4RL, try to screenwipe them instead of doing emilia

[graceful grotto]

this is even worst

try not to use emilia then

[woven acorn]

ok then who will be main attack?

[thorn marlin]

whats the funny silenced thing

[woven acorn]

i lose to this team too

[graceful grotto]

for you, either sbs/laplace

[woven acorn]

so replace emillia with sbs here?

[graceful grotto]

for this one you can try the emilia-blanc combo

[woven acorn]

i used to win them but not now.

[strong hull]

Its good but not that good. Would just go for tia naga team since i found this grave team cant survive fart boy.

[graceful grotto]

give it a try

[woven acorn]

i guess tmr.

[strong hull]

Otherwise all good.

[graceful grotto]

cindy will feed u so much burst gen too

[thorn marlin]

then what u suggest?

[graceful grotto]

u can do

SBS-Blanc-Emilia-Laplace (T)-Jackal

check CP deficit so make sure sbs doesnt die

[strong hull]

Would pick cereal comp
If you stuck with silence then use another b1 cdr fasster than liter

[thorn marlin]

okie

[strong hull]

The grave team is a 2 burst end team

[thorn marlin]

meaning?

[strong hull]

If the battle longer than 2 then picking tia naga

[thorn marlin]

ah

[strong hull]

1 burst for asuka clearing mob 1 burst for alice she will nuke the boss

That how grave team work.

[thorn marlin]

so this one for 2 bursts

then the tiga team use when?

[strong hull]

When you face fart boy.

[thorn marlin]

oh okie

[strong hull]

If you confident grave team can nuke it then sure you can go, all of hp recovery depend on liter

Oh wait this isnt team building chat

[thorn marlin]

gg

[strong hull]

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-no-banned-and-you-are-explode-gif-16047504

[strong hull]

[grizzled bone]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-will-smith-gif-15302481

i was like Asuka in PvP?

i saw that

[quick lake]

Pierce more burst gen surely

[strong hull]

Just some test around her

[grizzled bone]

maybe for newer player brackets
edit: for anyone lurking this is not about Asuka. Do not go ahead and start building teams around her unless you know what you're doing

[strong hull]

Yea she worked on that

Or use to be bait

[grizzled bone]

Rosa sacc?

[grizzled bone]

[swift mango]

Noise hardly do anything this Blanc+Emilia team aside from taunting and make opponent RL gain more burst Regen. Unless you are 0.5 RL Slower and need Noise to tank one shot but then again, she won't tank Cindy regardless due to elementary disadvantage. And if she did survive she wouldn't have the dmg to finish it up.

Emilia need 2 buffs to kill higher level enemies or just an invested tanky team. Use RH instead of Noise. If no RH could consider a team with Crown or waiting to see if guillotine buff are good for arena.

Or just use another DPS.

[vapid lake]

This guy figured out my defense, now it's a 5 way fight for rank 3

Maybe i'll just drop to 5 and afk

Next season

[loud sonnet]

There he goes again

[umbral crown]

[vapid lake]

what

i'm scarletless

i cba

every single person in my bracket has both scarlet and redhood

i'm literally the only person that doesn't

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Change your defense

[vapid lake]

Lazy to think

The last time i changed my defence 2 other people could beat me

This setup holds off 4 people

Instead of 2 out of 2

[swift mango]

You have been staying c3 for a week according to this pic without anyone beating you down though. How is it 5 way fight?

[tropic summit]

free for all on last day of the season pre shuffle? grab le popcorns

[vapid lake]

I'm not showing the 5 days in between the 2 screenshots, it's the same 3 people attacking me

The gold border guy randomly shows up every few days to hit me for fun

It's 5 way because i'm counting myself

[tropic summit]

maybe he's trying to hit on you

just clumsly in expressing himself

[umbral crown]

Penguin avoiding pvp

[vapid lake]

[umbral crown]

[vapid lake]

Give me scarlet then i'll try harder

Attacking ppl without scarlet is a pain i can't punish people who spam sg/ar/mg on their defense

[swift mango]

Great way to hit on girl I guess.

[vapid lake]

https://tenor.com/view/hataage-suplex-princess-hataage-suplex-german-suplex-anime-suplex-gif-25065583

[tropic summit]

leaving a lasting impression if anything

[vapid lake]

Reshuffle on next season

Shuffle me out into a bracket full of non-pvpers

[swift mango]

But full of whale instead

[tropic summit]

or people who gem 3 times a day

[vapid lake]

[tropic summit]

i haven't seen a different ch1 (beside me for 2h) since 9 months, that'd be a start at least

the same exact dude sitting there piling on dust

[vapid lake]

I'm not OLing pvp units anymore for now so i'm gonna fall behind for a bit

Gotta gear my favorite chunni n3rd

[tropic summit]

you cookin' something in the backlines aren't you

oh.

[vapid lake]

And xlud

[tropic summit]

for le water codes

[vapid lake]

No i just love guillo lol

[swift mango]

Chunni alt could be a good buffer in Arena, who knows.

[vapid lake]

She's such a lovable nerd

I wanna pat her head and call her dumb

[tropic summit]

what else wanna do with her

[vapid lake]

Give her treats? no that's smol white

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/354444578834743300/1313347611893305364/20241202_223414.jpg?ex=674fcdc7&is=674e7c47&hm=872e08f50935fe140b967a958d86b9b4831e440aaf9405df07adfdecc8cbb4ab&

[swift mango]

Something unspeakable without censor.

[tropic summit]

but yes, she's protect material alright

[vapid lake]

Guillo must be protected

[swift mango]

She is the same age your grandmother though so should be fine.

[vapid lake]

That's liter

[swift mango]

Liter is the same age your great great grandmother.

[tropic summit]

GGILF 🤨

[vapid lake]

Not too worried i guess, in the long run i will outlevel the people below me

I'm way, way ahead in campaign

They have to transform into whale to get ahead

[meager estuary]

E

[vapid lake]

E?

[meager estuary]

Its nothing. I just dont know what to type so i decide to type "E"

[vapid lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB_cRm85Hsc

[meager estuary]

Certified E Moment

[echo stirrup]

Praying time

[swift mango]

So are they like 3 H chapters behind.

Competitive whales will always above you in Campaign though.

[long chasm]

Need help sp arena deff please

[quick lake]

T1: Jackal* Scarlet xanne Drake Sugar (2-2.5RL)
T2: Blanc Biscuit SAnis Pepper Centi (3RL)
T3: Noise Noah Cindy Noir Laplace (3RL)

You can probably cook something better, given you have most units

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Being creative is the key

[quick lake]

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Your name + Avatar + Line up makes me think you are just flexing.

How is your Emilia CS btw?

[umbral crown]

he might be lacking creativity to make teams

some real skill issues

[swift mango]

He has his Jackal as no.5 in power ranking.

No way he isn't invested in Arena.

[umbral crown]

is not about investing, is about making good teams

not all whales know how to build pvp teams or care enough

[quick lake]

Well, I only started pvp-ing properly since like sync 460+ cause no noah

[swift mango]

I mean if you spend that much in Jackal you should be sure to invest your time in learning Arena as well.

[umbral crown]

you could have just get lucky with OL lines

[quick lake]

Gotta start learning eventully

[swift mango]

She still need Max dolls to compete with other nikkes CP.

[umbral crown]

like if you see my box, you could see Cindy Rank 15 but she just have the first OL lines she got and thats it

you know dupes play an important part

my laplace is max doll and also cindy but scarlet who has SR5 has more cp than the 2 of them

viper is C4 and is the highest cp unit

[quick lake]

@swift mango you tested whether SR5 doll on Jackal results in less shared dmg taken right?

Not sure whether to SR5 Jackal and scarlet

[swift mango]

Huhh???

[tropic summit]

i was told to put the nikke in the link with the highest damage reduction from different people, so it likely does work that way

although i never confirmed it myself, i did see a slight difference in dmg taken

[quick lake]

Oh maybe its not you blood. I think it was retro

[swift mango]

Last time I checked share damage. They share the damage taken of the nikke that takes it

[quick lake]

Ahh icic. Okay, time to doll them up

[swift mango]

Last time I tested share damage. They share the damage taken of the nikke that takes it.

So Jackal with SR doll won't reduce anything if they hit your Scarlet with Blue doll.

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

It's similar to SBS distributed dmg. If the one SBS hit taken 0dmg then other of your team also take 0 dmg.

[copper creek]

this is correct

[keen vapor]

[copper creek]

wait

not sure had test log somewhere but dk where it went
but anyway im pretty confident that above msg is more or less correct

[swift mango]

You could easily check it your self.

Just use Jackal or Bay against the same enemy and put different nikke with different Dmg reduction and DEF to p1.

Use the same line up as well.

For example,

Scarlet+Liter+Jackal link

First you put Scarlet p1 then second time put Liter P1. Record and screenshot the damage.

You will see different numbers.

High or low defending on the DEF and dmg reduction of the p1. Because Jackal remains the same.

If the numbers being the same regardless then it would use a different formula than what I said.

[tropic summit]

oh hi

[drifting hazel]

This a good team? Centi and Jackel both have quantum cube which is at lv4 rn

[keen vapor]

It uses Blanc

[umbral crown]

Blanc instead Crown

[rich quail]

I think Jackal at Core +6 gives her so much cp for some reason. I’m in the same situation, with my own Jackal.

She is only 5/5/5, with all OL+0, but is somehow 5th in cp amount on my squad. I’ll show my lines following this post, so show you that she is not fully invested compared to other units I have.

She outdoes Scarlet, who is all OL+5 gears and is 10/10/10, with solid lines (albeit only 2 lines each gear, she has 4 atk lines).

If I decided to OL+5 all of Jackal’s gears and worked on her lines, I’m sure she’d be pretty scary… but for right now she does her job well and I can focus on other units who need more help

[strong hull]

cook me some good chefs.

dont mind flora

[swift mango]

You could see Modernia boss objects fall on Ass and Blanc result in 2 different kind of results for Bay share dmg on ASS.

[strong hull]

ASS

[swift mango]

I used to use S.Anis but ASS is better

[unique wagon]

Stop calling it ASS

[drifting hazel]

Is that for faster burst gen? I had crown in for her attack buff

[rich quail]

Most likely it’s to help Scarlet by giving her indom

[drifting hazel]

Ah, makes since

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor

[umbral crown]

faster than crown and buff scar

[swift mango]

Do you have quantum cube?

[strong hull]

No

I can get it now

Not a brick account either

[umbral crown]

good

[strong hull]

I havent look through spa on this alt account so dia 1 is where i stood lol

[umbral crown]

your alt

[strong hull]

Yes. Testing account

Started during eva

[umbral crown]

you broke the wall faster than me

[strong hull]

Well i just want to see if mari can run Mother whale or not without crown tho that why i created it

and yea more than expected

[umbral crown]

you just needed to ask someone who i stucked there to try it

[strong hull]

Doing it myself better i was pilot a lv 230 tia dorothy naga rh scarlet team before their team raise is 🚮

Cant win MW until 10th try

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Since it's just Alt I don't need to worry about your reference.

Noah+Biscuit+SBS+Noir+Purepunzel. 3RL

Centi+Pepper+Anis+Neon+Cindy. 2.5RL

Crown+Flora+Alice+Rouge+Mari

[umbral crown]

i remember i ran MW around 160 wall with 2 liters

[strong hull]

I like 3rd team

[umbral crown]

because flora

[swift mango]

Can you confirm if Flora trigger Crown s2? I don't have Flora.

That's for better Normal attack dmg.

[strong hull]

Yea i was thinking about it too

That why i get flora on my alt

Lol

[swift mango]

She is in the shooting range RN so I guess I could test it.

But too lazy now

[swift mango]

That's a brick flora without Ein though.

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

[strong hull]

Yea i just try everything i cant do on my main to this one

[swift mango]

I remembered I auto MW at around 220. Broke wall in 6 weeks and a half though. So beat MW around 2 months in.

[grizzled bone]

Kisenix isn't an ASS lover

[strong hull]

I only need 1 month to beat it lol

[umbral crown]

oh, sad i do not have the pics of that haha

[strong hull]

Mari c1 isnt a joke

[sage burrow]

on my soul how did i win all three

[grizzled bone]

Zixk's?

[swift mango]

T1

Dumb team placement so Blanc hit pepper.

T2

Weakass unbuffed Scarlet against full HP RH

T3

Stupid Alice burst instead of ASS and got blocked by Blanc+Biscuit.

[drifting hazel]

Bru how you should of lost the back two fr

[sage burrow]

top 10 people in this group btw. with that being said i need to shift my own units around

i dont get how my red hood had life steal despite helm not bursting

[swift mango]

Read her s2

[strong hull]

Hey its work

[sage burrow]

oh her B2 causes her to gain lifesteal

[strong hull]

Flora can proc crown s2

Lol

[umbral crown]

the moment i broke the wall, was a fun night

From 28 to C1

And been C1 since then

[swift mango]

Well, I never got that jump because I never walled.

[drifting hazel]

Must be nice I never gotten to C bricked really

[umbral crown]

Hahha i was like 2-3monthd at 160

[drifting hazel]

I stay D5 usually

[strong hull]

My bracket has a mf c7 asuka blud spending wild

[umbral crown]

The first 2 seasons i was gemming daily

[swift mango]

Restart new account and buy all even tries for h11

[drifting hazel]

I sat at 161+-200 for 2-3 months bricked

[umbral crown]

My rival chillin with C7 Cindy and C7 Alice

Me with my highest core is viper C4

[drifting hazel]

Nah, I buy skins. So I rather not

[drifting hazel]

I got a guy with C7 Liter

[strong hull]

Time to stacking boxes waiting that day come lol

[swift mango]

Well start claiming 50 gem a day from today. And also reroll dispatch

[strong hull]

Chillin at c10

[drifting hazel]

I’m trying to save gems my guy

I bought the monthly gem thing for this month

[swift mango]

I was bricking around 7 levels because I didn't buy tries for h11 during my first 3 events to save gems to break the wall with MLB pulls but I caught up eventually.

[drifting hazel]

Since we got two big banners coming up

[drifting hazel]

Oh H11, yeah I was using them on Credits early on, I’ve done switch to core a while back. Already bought and used the extras for this event

[swift mango]

I remember I even farmed credit boxed instead of core dust lol...

[drifting hazel]

I procrastinated on campaign. So I shot my self in the foot with that

Top player in my server is like 15 levels ahead of me

[swift mango]

That's normal. My C1 has been 40 level above mine since 2 months in.

[drifting hazel]

My server has like 6 active players. Three of us share the leaderboards

[drifting hazel]

Oh for arena? I think he’s like 30+

[worthy lake]

May I know how to beat this please?

[swift mango]

You mean your locate medals bracket?

At first there was lots of competition but lately only me hitting tower + Hard mode while another guy who pull lots but hardly play occupy the Manufacturer points...

[swift mango]

First step, remove SBS.

[strong hull]

Same here my top 1 bracket now gone ill take that place soon

[worthy lake]

Replaces ?

ICBM team cannot beat it

No deficit

[swift mango]

You could try putting ASS there, Idk if that's enough though.

[swift mango]

SBS got taunt by Noah and deal zero dmg.

[worthy lake]

P5 ok?

I can put centi or amelia

[worthy lake]

Noted

[swift mango]

I would try

Blanc+Emilia(21%+CS)(with quantum)+RH+Biscuit+Crown

That's 3.3RL or less with 3 Buff Emilia.

[drifting hazel]

Yeah local at least five active, one takes the three towers and hard, the other takes three manufacturers, I have both pilgrim items

[swift mango]

Does your Emilia have 8%+ CS from OL and s1lv10?

A total of 21%+ CS from s1 and OL.

[umbral crown]

probably Emilia instead SBs should work since noah + biscuit counter SBS burst

[worthy lake]

8% CS lv7 s1

[umbral crown]

but check the speed of enemy team before attacking

[swift mango]

Not enough I guess. So use Jackal instead of Crown then.

[umbral crown]

did you check team speed, blood?

[swift mango]

Need 21%+ from both S1 and OL combined

[worthy lake]

Guess I max her s1

[swift mango]

NVm just try

Blanc+Emilia+RH(Vigor)+Biscuit+Jackal then

Common Emilia team ..

[drifting hazel]

Is there a way to make a team for both Scarlet and Emilia?

[keen vapor]

2RL probably

[strong hull]

Erased

[keen vapor]

Good anime

[strong hull]

To love ru better

[keen vapor]

[long chasm]

Reason why i ask 🥲

[swift mango]

Their team is 4rl so just used the team I told you with Crown

[keen vapor]

This is why I don't cook for you Tararagi-san

[bleak latch]

how's her burst gen ? im curious

[keen vapor]

Standard

[graceful grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-banned-banhammer-ban-hammer-mod-gif-458944485492049902

[bleak latch]

looking forward to using her with moron moran

[strong hull]

[strong hull]

You misspelled it

[keen vapor]

Sorry, I bit my tongue

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

It's 3.3 so you might need to be slower to hit 4 RL Noah.... So just keep your Emilia s1 at lv7...

[long chasm]

Right 😂

[worthy lake]

Thank you

[long chasm]

I dont think i well invest in jackal thoo

I wonder why her cp so high 🤔

[bleak latch]

core6 + OL Gear op

[swift mango]

Well, the calculator is wrong for the team I suggested anyway.

[long chasm]

Core mostlikly zonk when gacha

Like cinderela i zonk 5times

[swift mango]

I'm using it all the time now. Bless those who check calculator and think it's 4rl just to lose.

[swift mango]

Me still jackaless

[strong hull]

You supposed to

[keen vapor]

[strong hull]

[long chasm]

Even helm c6 and yuni c6 i not build

And miranda max core i never touch😂

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Yeah well, 3.3RL can shot over 4RL Noah just fine. Need 1+ RL for Noah to catch it like in my video. My bad.

[strong hull]

No, that was on purpose

[long chasm]

I still wonder how long chime release

Miss her kisamaaa voice

Should put her in lobby😏

[worthy lake]

Guess his cindy is very invested

[swift mango]

Your first video, 4rl Noah caught your nearly 2.5rl Emilia nuke. So you lost

[worthy lake]

Yeah mean crown makes the diff

I came from pve, so Im learning bit by bit

[swift mango]

Crown make it slower and pass over Noah.

Also stronger too but not the point in this case.

[worthy lake]

Mean got pro and cons

[umbral crown]

How so

[swift mango]

Well you could watch the video and figure out. Or just take my word about its burst speed how I said it.

[umbral crown]

[strong hull]

[copper creek]

this depends

so on the burst gen calc emilia has two entries

std and 21% cs

[swift mango]

Not like I care about you guys believe me lol. The less people know its real speed the better for me.

[copper creek]

emilia21 on burst gen calc is a bit wonky

[umbral crown]

Rude

[copper creek]

because at 2.5rl an emilia21 would have shot 3 rockets

burst gen calc estimates that emi21 shoots 4 in 3rl time, which is incorrect

which is why as u observed, an emilia thats only 21% (and no more) indeed has slightly incorrect values at the 3rl mark

[swift mango]

That's not the case at all. They calculated it as 4rl lol.

So not 3rl but actually 3.3 case.

[umbral crown]

Your suggested team

[copper creek]

emilia21 shoots her 4th rocket approx 3.2rl time

[copper creek]

and also its not that we dont believe u, what i'm trying to do here is to give the lurker/reader an idea of why emi21 on burst gen calc vs. actual gameplay seems different

[copper creek]

yes approx 3.2-3.3 correct

[swift mango]

Just watch the 2 video of me and final and you could guess the team RL speed. No need for calculator

[copper creek]

yes obviously i know, which is why im trying to put this out there for people who dont

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

the issue is not that i dont believe u, im trying to explain the dissonance between burst gen calc and actual performance

anyway for future reference

there is absolutely 0 merit to running 3 buff emilia for the sake of 3 buff

up to a minor penalty, 2buff emilia does enough damage to kill anything and everything

[fathom rock]

AND I LOST AGAIN IN A STUPID WAY

[keen vapor]

Always overload your batteries

And doll

[quick lake]

Any explanation on why RH skips P1 & 2 and goes straight to 3? Happens quite a few times with Blanc Biscuit/Centi P1&2 respectively

Is it cause when a unit is reloading, the opponent skips that position?

[lunar dirge]

targetskipping bug,just happens

usuallyhappens when unit goes to cover

[quick lake]

Ahh figured. So in this case both P1 and P2 reloaded at same time and P3 died

[lunar dirge]

nope,in this case that's just goofy rh work,it sometimes happens and noone knows why

same applies to alice burst

[quick lake]

Gahhh I see. Getting clobbered by this wonky RH

[green berry]

For pvp..
Did i only need meta pvp nikke with min skill lv like 3/3/3 & no ol gear or i need meta pvp nikke with invested skill lv & ol gear lv5?

[quick lake]

Depends on how much you want to invest

[lunar dirge]

most meta pvp nikkes work without any investments,however you get cpgapped if you won't ol them(mostly depends on opponents commitment)

[green berry]

Ok i got it
Still team in pvp specialy spa need good investment too
Thanks both of you

[quick lake]

Its whether you wanna out-invest ur opponent. Ideally they still want some basic investments, basic OLs

444 for cp padding

[keen vapor]

Most PVP units don't need invested skills at all

In example anis, centi, jackal, Noah....

[green berry]

Ok
Thanks

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Ahuhe 🎈

[umbral crown]

🎈

[keen vapor]

Oi

COME BACK HERE

[kindred tinsel]

i saw a good comp too

[keen vapor]

SCARLET JACKAL THE FIRST TEAM

AT LEAST DO THAT

COME BAAAAAAAACK

[vast edge]

Thank you!

[keen vapor]

[kindred tinsel]

better win now

[umbral crown]

echo scaring the new bois

[keen vapor]

He left his request for a couple of minutes then he deleted :Elsie cry:

https://tenor.com/view/wogk-world-only-god-knows-elsie-anime-crying-gif-13652753

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

I was analyzing possible attacks

[umbral crown]

happens

[elder walrus]

PVP question! so i have my main team but i have no idea what i should be building for my 2 other teams in PVP. is there counter play for which order i should put them? i just put my weakest first and my strongest last

[keen vapor]

Well, there used to, but then skipping got inconsistent in relation to residual targeting and....

In short, not sure

@coarse lake what do you say

[elder walrus]

i see...

[tropic summit]

sir, you likely best reading about the basics of pvp mechanics, burst gen and compositions, as it takes a while to give you a grasp of what you just asked

this is rather comprehensive:
https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[coarse lake]

About what

[elder walrus]

thank you, i shall go study up

[tropic summit]

aye, any question afterward feel free to ask tho

[elder walrus]

i have never taken pvp seriously before, then i joined this server yesterday now i'm wanting to get invested in getting better

[keen vapor]

The order one puts it's teams matters? In team 1 2 3 context

[tropic summit]

that's good spirit, gear yourself up with knowledge and then you can start rollin'

[coarse lake]

Not really no

[elder walrus]

wow... there is alot more depth to this than i first assumed

[tropic summit]

ironically, i've seen defense previously failing suddenly winning after rotating teams without changing a single nikke, although i really want to hope it was a coincidence,

[tropic summit]

yes there is, just familiarize yourself first and foremost with the concept of burst gen, then meta nikke and composition you can take your time, although still very important

[umbral crown]

no

[kindred tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946720097031045161/1246839385337368626/GIF_20240602_225244_708.gif

[elder walrus]

ok... so i see alot mentioning Jackal in PVP is pretty useful

[keen vapor]

Doro munchi rock

[keen vapor]

she is

[umbral crown]

si

[elder walrus]

it also says noone knows why she generates burst

[keen vapor]

Bug :shrug Akko:

[elder walrus]

if it suggests Scarlett, does it make a difference if its SBS or original scarlett?

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

yes it does, they cover different roles and mechanics

[elder walrus]

i see!

[tropic summit]

if you wanna see a bit more details per nikke and based on a PVP tier list, you can consult this aswell:

https://tinyurl.com/nikke-pvp-tierlist

[kindred tinsel]

10 chapters later finally

[elder walrus]

ooo. thank you for this!

[tropic summit]

it also gives you an idea to why you should use a specific nikke and in which likely context, so it's pretty helpful

[elder walrus]

i have pretty much everyone it recommends to some degree so i think i can figure out what works well

thoughts?

[keen vapor]

Bad start :deadge:

[tropic summit]

the idea is there, the ordering is all over the place tho

you need to work better on your positioning

[elder walrus]

ok, i like this constructive critisim! it will help me for sure

[tropic summit]

to give you a few pointers, RH in p1 is generally a bit idea because she'll not only get most of the early dmg, but you'll cast b1 b2 and b3 all in p1

[keen vapor]

RH is trickier to use bc of B2

B2 bad

[elder walrus]

ok good to know!

[tropic summit]

see if you can assemble 2 of these teams, i think you've the nikke needed for t1 and t3

scarlet blanc rh centi jackal
noah noise s.anis biscuit rapunzel

these are pretty simple teams you can start with for both offense and defense

[elder walrus]

i dont have s.anis

[tropic summit]

the first aims to counter anything that isn't a RL or a SR, while giving you a very quick burst and possibly indom of 10s on scarlet

for the second you could put SBS instead of s.anis

[keen vapor]

And this is why we ask for box first we can't give teams blindly

[elder walrus]

oh. let me give you the whole box

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor do a proper cook this time

[elder walrus]

i will also say i haven't really touched my cube upgrades. im pretty far behind on them

[tropic summit]

resilience and quantum are gonna be your best friends, together with temperance and vigor

resilience because it will likely be your highest levelled cube due to PVE purposes

[keen vapor]

@keen vapor cook for me please

[tropic summit]

quantum boosts your burst gen, temperance is useful on tanks and for reduced dmg taken, vigor simply helps on both max HP% and healing

[keen vapor]

hai

[tropic summit]

so there's two now @keen vapor @keen vapor

[elder walrus]

well i have 29k union chips to spend on upgrading my cubes so ill do that first

[tropic summit]

well wait, let's see what echo cooks for you

in case we can pinpoint what you should prioritize

[elder walrus]

you're all so kind to help me like this