pvp-arena

[loud sonnet]

[gaunt sentinel]

i use quick fight features

[umbral crown]

be the whale

[umbral crown]

no video?

[gaunt cypress]

[gaunt sentinel]

beside my biscuit very invested and moran armor is OLed

[gaunt cypress]

that scar should be 2rl / 2.5rl

[gaunt sentinel]

well my scar is weak

[gaunt cypress]

his emilia 3rl

[umbral crown]

nice

thats a good comp

[gaunt sentinel]

and my biscuit is like this

with 5/4/7 skill

[gaunt cypress]

what bout your scar then

[gaunt sentinel]

weak

[gaunt cypress]

lv 6 on burst

[gaunt sentinel]

she useless in campaign and boss for me

[umbral crown]

make burst 7 at least

[gaunt cypress]

she's been used on SR didnt she ?

[gaunt sentinel]

sure.... but i am running out of mat after raid rn

[gaunt sentinel]

nope i didnt bring herr

[gaunt cypress]

she been used at land eater team 4

[gaunt cypress]

SG team and SW ?

team 4 and 5

[keen vapor]

Not for me

[gaunt cypress]

yeah i wish i had bsoda

[gaunt sentinel]

yes hoping top 200

[gaunt cypress]

i cant run SG team on SR

[gaunt cypress]

exactly what i thought

[gaunt cypress]

i only got 5,3B, you must be whale reaching 6b

[gaunt sentinel]

i mean my electric team is so weak that using this team is better in CC boss than pure electric team

[gaunt sentinel]

btw the final cook i did on last day of raid 300 mill increase

[gaunt cypress]

this one litterally the god comp on hard campaign

[gaunt cypress]

dayum rank 92

[unique wagon]

U know

[gaunt sentinel]

i mean if its fire weak i swap sbs with asuka but thats about it

[unique wagon]

I was overthinking a hit so much I forgot a regular SG team would win and wasted 500 gems

I was like I beat this team before first try but with what... oh wait

[gaunt sentinel]

for what

wait did you bough arena tries?

[unique wagon]

I need to to regain my challenger back

If I didnt miss, I'd have gotten 2700 gems

But I got 2700-500

[gaunt sentinel]

bruv before i became active in arena this month i abandon it for 5 month staight chilling in diamond 1

[gaunt cypress]

well most whale usually dont care about pvp content

[gaunt sentinel]

now it became a bloodbath

like this guy

[umbral crown]

do you change your defense regularly?

[gaunt sentinel]

just for me to take it back

[gaunt sentinel]

no i cant cook pvp for 3 team at most 2 but its not so good

i can cook 1 team good enough though esp with left over nikkes

[umbral crown]

if you want to update your defenses, you can send your nikkes here in horizontal mode shorted by power only

[gaunt sentinel]

eh but this rooster is shorted by power though #pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

since vinz cooked for you, did not noticed the pics but will try to give you 3 teams

[gaunt sentinel]

my emilia is good enough but my rosana is bad

moran got OL armor and s1 lvl 5 though

i got all unit treasured to phase 3 except exia and diesel (both only 2) so viper is no go for pvp right?

[gaunt cypress]

the real bloodbath is when you are attacked often in the span of 1 day. like get attacked 5x in a day

[gaunt sentinel]

my arena is chilling at most 1 or 2 per day

[gaunt cypress]

oh yeah this one

[gaunt cypress]

because you are the whale

[umbral crown]

she is but most people leave her treasure at phase 2 because Phase 3 is with Re enter

[gaunt sentinel]

bruv its on span of 1 hour just now

[umbral crown]

but i went phase 3 and did a team with viper+

[gaunt sentinel]

oh then just ignore it and you can use viper to cook

[gaunt cypress]

welcome to "its bout sending message"

https://tenor.com/view/dark-knight-joker-its-not-about-the-money-its-about-sending-a-message-gif-15254722

[gaunt sentinel]

btw rosy i think i just gona stays with my defence untill it breached before i swap to new team gonna sc it for now when you done cooking

[umbral crown]

yeah, you can save the defensei will suggest and when you feel its time tp update, just do it

[gaunt sentinel]

k

[gaunt cypress]

but your unit more focused on pve right ?

[gaunt sentinel]

yes i like raid tbh

[umbral crown]

bro has pve box

[tender valve]

well most whale usually dont care about pvp content xD

[umbral crown]

but then you have NewMeta caring for both

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/joaquin-phoenix-the-joker-laughing-laugh-haha-gif-17500533

[gaunt sentinel]

it increased again

[umbral crown]

bro is cooking in a mad way

[gaunt cypress]

do both man , even with my account, i can barely survive 1,5% on SR and in SP arena mostly on C3 but sometime C4-C6

[gaunt sentinel]

i mean just for lol, if i lost i can spare 100 gem just to fight him and win again

[gaunt cypress]

he's f2p ?

[gaunt sentinel]

again its already 500 gem at least

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-standing-here-i-realize-meme-standing-here-i-realize-gif-raiden-vs-armstrong-senator-armstrong-gif-26055562

[gaunt cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-this-is-where-the-fun-begins-star-wars-lets-begin-gif-17501807

[tender valve]

now sakabato need help @umbral crown xD

[umbral crown]

Sakabato in the kithen still

[gaunt sentinel]

will inform tomorrow

looks like sakabato stop attaking for now

[gaunt cypress]

suddenly he know his gems is more worth than his ego

[gaunt sentinel]

tbh he never broke my def team its only because i got attacked by other team that he got c6 back... just for me to atk him back

[gaunt cypress]

what his level ? maybe he's on level diff

[gaunt sentinel]

i forgot but he was the lowest cp from rank 6 bellow so i attack

[gaunt cypress]

bro doesnt know how CP deficit works

[gaunt sentinel]

yeah i dont know how cp deficit on pvp works so i just attaking the lowest cp

[gaunt cypress]

i mean he doesnt know what is deficit

[gaunt sentinel]

tbh if tomorrow he not atacking i will attak again

i dont know how to make 3 team though

[gaunt cypress]

you used to be more pve content man

[gaunt sentinel]

who should i atk btw ?

[gaunt cypress]

what C3 team looks like ?

[gaunt sentinel]

cant see today though used all atk

[cerulean flume]

Oh lol, yeah guess it wasn’t biscuit

[gaunt cypress]

tf marciana do in pvp

[gaunt sentinel]

my biscuit is lvled because of support team tbh

[gaunt sentinel]

dunno

[gaunt cypress]

and she's highest CP on T2

[gaunt sentinel]

i thinking of attaking C5 ... should i? or check C 3 first

[gaunt cypress]

shes not used in pvp

in higher rank

[gaunt cypress]

both

[gaunt sentinel]

btw that top 3 is rank 1 score in coop RN

[gaunt cypress]

omg looks likes he's malder in SPA

[gaunt sentinel]

coop ok not spa

[gaunt cypress]

you will end up losing in span of 1hour if you try attack him

[gaunt sentinel]

then go for c5 ?

[gaunt cypress]

yeah but he can reach C3, idk he's just whale with high CP or maybe he know how to cook in pvp

[gaunt cypress]

it should be ez win, based on his weird deff team

[gaunt sentinel]

tbh i just start atking spa again because red dot

[gaunt cypress]

use it before 5mnt server reset time

but yeah its up to you

[gaunt sentinel]

i sleep

i am playing apex rn tbh

[gaunt cypress]

wait you dont have free attempt left, did you trying to buy 1more attempt ?

[gaunt sentinel]

nah tomorow

[gaunt cypress]

oh okay

[mild moat]

what team would beat noah rap sanis biscuit anis?

[gaunt cypress]

scar nuke, emi nuke, and moran biscuit sanis

[mild moat]

yeah?

[gaunt cypress]

should be works fine

[valid fern]

Yea

[shut seal]

Fam. Any recommended updates for Special Arena comps?

Team 1: Scarlet - Rosanna - Noir - XAnne - Jackal
Team 2: Blanc - Emilia - Red Hood - Biscuit - Centi
Team 3: Noah - Noise - SAnis - Rapunzel - Laplace (Sp)

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Looks meta enough

[half grail]

This is my 2 def sp arena teams I used the Keripo chart it’s been good but can anyone cook me a third team with what I have left

[grizzled bone]

moran-sanis-biscuit-anis-noise
scarlet-blanc-emi-rh-jackal
noah-sbs-liter-rapunzel-centi

[vapid coral]

Can someone pls help mem with both pfp teams

pvp

[fading heath]

I don't think I can beat this guy's team for now, but what would be a good team against it?

[grizzled bone]

you are horribly out leveled do not even try

you would need a team that has 616,608.7 CP or greater to not take a penalty

[keen vapor]

60 level diff

[rich quail]

Echo usually deals with cp gaps that big

[keen vapor]

Almost 40 diff

[rich quail]

You could use your cd case stash and erase that 40 level difference

[keen vapor]

Not yet anni first

[rich quail]

That’s what you said at 1.5

[coarse lake]

using core dust boxes to pull for cindy

[rich quail]

and 1 year

[keen vapor]

But I did use it :pepeh:

[rich quail]

You WISH you could

[keen vapor]

Core dust is valued in gems in shop :pepeh:

[coarse lake]

[wild patio]

[umbral crown]

Swap Noir and Rosanna positioms

[umbral crown]

Go beat C1

[umbral crown]

Again?

[keen vapor]

The others whale

[umbral crown]

Go whale then

[shrewd plank]

uh is this team fine for pvp

[vapid lake]

Echo / PVP Tryhard

[umbral crown]

ScarletP1 blanc P2, Centi P3 and Biscuit P4

[rich quail]

yeah Echo

tryharder

[umbral crown]

Mio, you have Liter or red hood?

[shrewd plank]

ya

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

If you have Red Hood or Liter you can do

Scarlet/Blanc/Red hood/Centi/Jackal

[nocturne arrow]

never win with this team, wrong placement?
i won with my old line up

[shrewd plank]

kk i will try

[keen vapor]

That costs money

[umbral crown]

Yeah, units placement did not work for you

It should have been : SBS/Blanc/Liter/Centi/Jackal

[keen vapor]

I will if it costs me no money

[umbral crown]

Maybe

[keen vapor]

Maybe?

[shrewd plank]

umm btw i think privaty aoe stun seems op lol

[rich quail]

Your line up in your video showed that Centi got indom from Blanc

[umbral crown]

Not really but will always depend the full comp

[umbral crown]

Centi can not get indom if blanc does not burst

[rich quail]

my bad

Can I blame it on my new glasses?

[keen vapor]

Misinfo

You're not MA to misinfo others

[umbral crown]

Blame echo

[rich quail]

Quiet, you

you… you cd case hoarder

[nocturne arrow]

i get back to second place now using my old setup
can that recommended team work again him?

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

It should work, 2 SG will make you burst faster

[keen vapor]

Swap Liter and Centi positions, Noir and Anis might skip to P4 instead of P5

[umbral crown]

Si

[nocturne arrow]

what about noir and anis?

[keen vapor]

Shotguns on defense teams will target position 5

But if the unit there is a Sniper/rocket launcher user, bc of how it shoots (charging, releasing and going momentously to cover) then that unit may lose "aggro" and go to the next position, P4

Anything that goes to cover may lose aggro

even your Scarlet Alter but we don't talk about that

[nocturne arrow]

okay gonna try again tomorrow

[mighty haven]

@umbral crown pain

Madao wasn't doing anything to me, then all of a sudden 2-5 all want action

[umbral crown]

Hahaha

Happens

[mighty haven]

I honestly don't mind not being C1, I can't beat him anyway

Do probably need to rejig def teams

[keen vapor]

You have Noah

Rosy

What do you think of Moran/Folkwang combo

[mighty haven]

If I bless you with luck on your next Pilgrim mold, mind seeing if I can rejig current def? the AVTR guy has Scar/Jackal/Rapunzel fairly built (my def teams current on right)

Quantum at 3, can get Tempering later

[keen vapor]

No Rapunzel.....

[mighty haven]

No Rapu sucks big time, no SBS either

[keen vapor]

Laplace with treasure? ... Well, doesn't seems so

I don't use SBS on defense anyways

[grizzled bone]

what account is this Estur?

[keen vapor]

60$ dollar

[rich quail]

Can we talk about your OG Scarlet?

Does it still get targeted mercilessly?

[mighty haven]

more like $1000+

[keen vapor]

Good question

[mighty haven]

SEA Main - NA1 is C8, NA2 is D1

[keen vapor]

Yes, no max ammo lines

[mighty haven]

Been C1 for like 3 SPA resets, before this Scarlet hobo

[mighty haven]

I have 2 max ammo, both single lines :X

[rich quail]

u bring that upon YOURSELF

[keen vapor]

:deadge:

[keen vapor]

I'm out of rocks

[mighty haven]

no treasure, building the boxes to upgrade, SR is at 10

[rich quail]

IT’S BEEN MONTHS

[keen vapor]

I would replace Maid Privaty then... But.... Your first team needs more help with getting rid of feed

[mighty haven]

Mmm, the burst gen is going to be meh with no Rapu

[keen vapor]

[grizzled bone]

can i suggest something silly?

[mighty haven]

anything goes, I stopped malding over instantly taking C1

[keen vapor]

Silly

[mighty haven]

now its just defending against angry horde

[grizzled bone]

blanc-ein-rh-biscuit-centi
scarlet-sanis-dkw-anis-jackal
moran-noah-alice-bsoda-noise

the silliest is t3

[mighty haven]

Hmmm, BSoda not exactly built/any OLs, you're saying extend burst so Moran basically is invuln forever?

[keen vapor]

Might as well rely on Jackal buff for B1

[mighty haven]

Let me rejig those

[keen vapor]

Alice will get splash damage

[grizzled bone]

you could replace dkw for more burst gen

[grizzled bone]

everyone gets splash lmao

there's 3 taunters

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

[grizzled bone]

targeting will be super unreliable on that team

[grizzled bone]

you can use mpriv but bsoda has better burst gen

[mighty haven]

Hmmm, that last team is at 190k CP due to unbuilt, CP gap would be def against 240-280k comp (if that same PL)

[keen vapor]

@grizzled bone I can't believe Summer Anis/Noah team needs Rapunzel for that little kick of burst gen to get to 3RL

[grizzled bone]

[grizzled bone]

something less silly...

moran-sanis-biscuit-mpriv-noise
scarlet-blanc-lappy+/liter-anis-jackal (you can move blanc if needed)
noah-ein-rh-noir-bsoda/naga (p5 flex)

[mighty haven]

I cooked this before your post

[grizzled bone]

i like it

oh i missed centi

[mighty haven]

burst genzz

[grizzled bone]

didnt see her

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

[keen vapor]

RH instead of D wife

[grizzled bone]

yes good suggestion

why dont you cook more echo?

[keen vapor]

I have 0 confidence on defense teams

[mighty haven]

try cooking if I want to fight C1 yeah no we friendly

[grizzled bone]

liter in p1?

[keen vapor]

Deficit tho

[mighty haven]

CP gap

[grizzled bone]

still tho. Pretty confident

[mighty haven]

I could beat them previously, since then their teams only got stronger PvP wise

[keen vapor]

Team 1 is 3.5 RL, so standard Scar Blanc should be able to beat it

[mighty haven]

they've just been friendly and not tried to actually take C1 off me

[keen vapor]

Also, that means double buff, and higher CP than Noah

That also means you can block third team better

[mighty haven]

working, will check once on breeek

[wild patio]

wait till I reached lvl 341 for cp boost

[umbral crown]

never tried before and i have not check folk kit

[umbral crown]

ah but last day of SP showing C1 defeat

now need to wait for 341 boost

[mighty haven]

Honestly did not expect T2 to win

[grizzled bone]

personally i think i would have used sanis on t1 and scarlet on t3

[mighty haven]

ah right, deficit on T1 22%, vs 14.3% on T2, yeah that stung

Need to do massive OLs if I ever want to bridge that gap, appreciate the cooking and support though5

[gaunt sentinel]

guys how to atk this team ?
here my rooster #pvp-arena message

btw if i want to use rossana what investment skill and gear should i get? cube too

[mighty haven]

Rosie pvp min skill investment = 4/4/10, not sure about cube/gear, ammo/ele/atk likely

[gaunt sentinel]

welp it will take a long time then

[mighty haven]

Only do if you have resources to spare

[trail inlet]

skip t3
t1: noise/noah/scalter/emilia/rapunzel
t2: blanc/scarlet/RH/centi/jackal
make sure you arent on defecit

[gaunt sentinel]

how much cp diffrence deficit count is?

[mighty haven]

15.4%, if you're not within that it's instant 20% stat loss

[gaunt sentinel]

i won it all with home made electric team 3

btw here c3 team ...looks like if i fight him i skip team 2

[mighty haven]

The modified stupidity plan worked

[graceful grotto]

guess i got a fan

[muted stag]

is this a win?

[loud sonnet]

Is charge speed bad for anis?

[rich quail]

Depends

Depends on if you want to avoid target skip or not

[regal mantle]

lol i did nothing

[frigid hollow]

I love your pfp lol

[umbral crown]

Context

[mighty haven]

Returnee coming back to see steady gem income?

[regal mantle]

i got to gold 3 but i havent played pvp for a quite a bit

[umbral crown]

Oh, makes sense

[grizzled bone]

silliness won

[static plaza]

need help with 3 team for sp def ty

[thorn pagoda]

when people go idle on this, i'll stay alive just to piss them off

[glad meteor]

Max ammo on doro

[vapid lake]

i mean when i afk in coop i just put the phone down and go do something else

you prolly aren't pissing anyone off and jsut wasting your own time

tbf

[torn osprey]

is this an ok team?

[vapid lake]

i'd remove kilo for another burst gen

[torn osprey]

does anyone work?

also should def team be different from the main one?

[vapid lake]

put in vesti or mari probably
kilo doesn't do anything in that team except feed enemy jackal burst

[valid fern]

i gotta rehaul my defense. its been brutal.

if anyone wants to take a jab

really sucks being jackal-less. feeling pressured to invest in anis or another RL for a battery but once I roll jackal the investment becomes kinda pointless

[summer copper]

you might still use Anis for another team

[grizzled bone]

noise-kilo-bay-rapunzel-noir
blanc-sbs-liter-biscuit-bsoda
noah-sanis-dkw-poli-viper

[wild patio]

[whole shell]

Can finally beat this stupid bastard's stall team consistently now

[grizzled bone]

you're lucky he's not using nero lol

is your kilo built?

[whole shell]

I wouldn't recommend kilo for def teams though

easy jackal bait

[worthy knoll]

MG is fine.. as long you are 2 RL fast. You feed but since they can't go much higher than 2 RL it doesn't matter much. But yeah Kilo is bad coz she needs shield to nuke or its just nil. ReiA better

[whole shell]

yeah but putting so many batteries on a team limits your options for your other two teams, assuming it's a request for sp def teams

and the shield thing too as you mentioned

[green swallow]

Yeah

[grizzled bone]

having read what people said about kilos disadvantages here would you prefer using kilo or not?

[green swallow]

whatever is good ill take it

[grizzled bone]

noise-kilo-blanc-emi-anis
scarlet-sbs-liter-xanne-jackal
noah-alice-rh-centi-sugar

i do not recommend using def teams to attack

in the future i would suggest

• resetting Kilo, there are better B3 MG options such as Rei.A
• work on Emi, SAnis, Noah, Noise, Jackal, and Biscuit if they aren't at min skill levels (these are meta units that will carry you in pvp that will immediately help change your team line up)

[green swallow]

so what do i use for atk?

[grizzled bone]

attack teams should be tailored to your opponents defense

For attack, you can make 2 attack teams and you can skip 1 enemy team by putting 1 unit on P5. You can view the links here for counters in Rookie and Special Arena (SP) (other useful stuff at pins):

Prydwen:

• Meta units - https://tinyurl.com/4ffcu6sx
• Special Arena (SP) - https://tinyurl.com/ycxnsjrv

nikke.gg:

• Rookie Arena - https://tinyurl.com/43u6a2z4
• Special Arena (SP) - https://tinyurl.com/2p8222fy

Keripo's Video and Matrix:

• Countering the Meta - https://tinyurl.com/eydrpwh7
• Keripo's PvP Matrix - http://tinyurl.com/keripo-nikke-pvp-test-matrix

From 瑟瑟出品's Youtube Channel:

• Rookie Arena Videos (CN) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm7TApldE9QBb5aaQizIrIX0PMmTOZFJo
• Special Arena (SP) Videos (CN) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm7TApldE9QBCIBJXz6gxKHcf54BEuT3Z
• Special Arena (SP) Videos (English) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm7TApldE9QAqccQN3wgMufgcxWC1D26f

[green swallow]

o ty

[umbral crown]

Now you know what to do

[umbral crown]

2 Highest atk units

But team with scar , sbs and m.privaty looks sus

[tardy anvil]

I've got a nice amount of nikkes now I think, I'd like defense team for SP arena

[nocturne arrow]

cant even defeat that now lol

[umbral crown]

Nooe, it does not count skills

Just atk from base and OL

[umbral crown]

Laplace with treasure?

[nocturne arrow]

Here is my trusted high-power team. If I need to swap out 1-2 characters and adjust their positions, who should I replace and what changes should I make?

[tardy anvil]

Yup

[umbral crown]

Noah-Noise-S.Anis-Biscuit-Laplace+
Blanc-Scarlet-Liter-Centi-Maiden
Mari-Alice-D.Wife-Bay-Sugar

[umbral crown]

you could try: S.Anis-Blanc-Centi-Noir-Jackal

[nocturne arrow]

Can i uses SBS instead of noir?
The BP will be really low without her

[umbral crown]

yeah

[nocturne arrow]

And no change to the position?

[umbral crown]

nope, if bursting with SBS has not been good for you then burst with S.Anis

is your S.Anis 7-7-9?

[nocturne arrow]

still 777

[tardy anvil]

Thanks

[umbral crown]

once you make burst 9 you will have it in an optimal levle

[nocturne arrow]

okay thanks

[tardy anvil]

wait maiden is used twice in this setup

[umbral crown]

Edited

[loud sonnet]

Thx its my waifu

[viral spoke]

i don't understand about PvP sometimes

i lost by level gap, but i have higher deficit gap against this guy that has less 10k power than me

and i still lost if i skip battle

but i just watched how it did go when i turned off Quick Battle, i won

I DO NOT understand PvP at all

[viral spoke]

this guy is level 349, i am level 311

but my CP is 10k superior than this guy.

and i lost just because i turned on Quick Battle

H O W

if that guy has 3 LB-less character that somehow beat me just because of Level gap, this PvP content is just as stupid as Megaman X DiVE

[rich quail]

You got a vid or anything to show what the matchups were?

Lineups?

[viral spoke]

no i don't have any video because i don't know how to record it on phone

i only know how to screenshot it

[rich quail]

Show us what the matchups were if possible

[viral spoke]

gonna censor the name first, don't want that guy find out i've been ranting on them

[rich quail]

No prob

[viral spoke]

my battle record shows against this guy on the last 2 days, I LOST because i turned on Quick Battle

but when i watch it and turned off Quick Battle, i won

H O W

[halcyon sinew]

[loud sonnet]

I haven't seen that kind of team

Weird

[viral spoke]

whose

mine or that guy?

[loud sonnet]

That guy

[grizzled bone]

the scarlet team? it's super common

[viral spoke]

like jesus, the amount of time my characters took to completely takout the burst 1 lineup is outrageous stupid slow

IT'S 10K DEFICIT GAP, DAMNIT

[halcyon sinew]

Just put NOAH, problem solved

[viral spoke]

bold of you to assume i didn't do that 2 days ago

[halcyon sinew]

What is your team's position?

[viral spoke]

pretty much the same as this except Biscuit's current spot WAS Noah and Biscuit was far right

[rich quail]

Did that matchup net you a win?

[halcyon sinew]

Jackal burst hmm...

Later try RH burst 1 & 3

[viral spoke]

if you meant recently with Jackal - Biscuit - RH - Privaty - Noise

yes, recently

[grizzled bone]

this team won?...

[viral spoke]

yes, but that's only because i turned off Quick Battle just because i was mad and i need to see it myself

[loud sonnet]

You can watch the reply after the fight you know?

[viral spoke]

if Quick Battle made me lose, then i need to see HOW it happened

[grizzled bone]

quick battle is known to be unreliable

you're probably winning because you're just CP gapping him

[viral spoke]

exactly, that's the point! I AM 10K SUPERIOR

[loud sonnet]

He has 23% deficit

[grizzled bone]

but his team is faster and bursting with Scarlet that has a screen wipe burst. Despite the cp deficit you could still lose as evidence by quick battle

whereas that team you have has no counter to Scarlet

[loud sonnet]

RNG

[grizzled bone]

yeah rng

[viral spoke]

i will never understand rookie arena, ever.

[loud sonnet]

Noah RH biscuit anis jackal

Could you try that?

[viral spoke]

even Special Arena that requires extra piece of my braincell has gotten me far enough to Diamond 4 until most of my next enemies are level 350 and more

[viral spoke]

any specific burst skill level i should take notes?

[young delta]

imagining I was just a Random attack in Rookie Arena

[viral spoke]

i can wait all day waiting for answer before i push the Start Battle button

[loud sonnet]

I don't think so

[viral spoke]

the team you recommended made it 32k vs 30k

[loud sonnet]

no diff

[viral spoke]

guess i can't record anything, the test video turned black screen

[rich quail]

What phone you got?

[loud sonnet]

You lose?

[viral spoke]

won, but i still don't understand HOW

is it really just because i turned on Quick Battle and i lost

[grizzled bone]

no

[rich quail]

You matched burst gen because both teams have Jackal and Noah

And you have Noah, who can block Scarlet if you match speed

[loud sonnet]

Wait does it?

i was too lazy to calculate it

[viral spoke]

then HOW is it last time i turned off Quick Battle against another guy who bring the same scarlet my Noah got pierced? or is that just because my burst duration JUST HAPPEN to be expired

[loud sonnet]

Its rng just coincidence that you when you quick battle you lose

[rich quail]

You said another guy

Did they have a slightly different lineup?

[viral spoke]

Yes, tho i only feared Scarlet because of it

[rich quail]

Hmm

Can you show us that person’s lineup?

[viral spoke]

No longer active apparently, i can't find them anywhere despite my best to refresh the rookie arena

Yeah.. nothing apparently because that Scarlet of theirs is standout as hell

[frigid hollow]

Yes its kurumi

[rich quail]

Ah okay

Well, Scarlet can be crazy, even post-burst

If she gets indom from Blanc, and it’s a well-invested Scarlet, she can take out a whole team by herself

[viral spoke]

How many people in each bracket anyway? Does the participants change every weekly reset?

[rich quail]

No, the resets will happen every 2-3 months

[viral spoke]

Sometimes i see same person, sometimes they never show up again

[grizzled bone]

at least 50

[viral spoke]

Rookie arena, not Special

Wait

[rich quail]

Okay, if it’s Rookie you’ll see them again sometime later

The reset won’t be for a while… iirc there was a reset a month ago

If it’s SP Arena, you can look at the ranking chart and see if the guy shows up there

[viral spoke]

Nah i never bothered looking at SP anymore because JESUS the level gap against those guys is outrageous

I stopped at Diamond 4 and thats enough

But when i see a level gap that isn't far, then i might take a chance

[rich quail]

Yeah, it can be for sure
Some whales out there

[viral spoke]

I'm definitely not gonna dive into SP arena against people with level over 350

That is a guaranteed losing game

I'm still 312 lmao

[grizzled bone]

looking at CP is more accurate

[rich quail]

I also pick and choose my battles

But don’t be afraid of sync levels too much

I’m lvl 311 and I fight with guys 30+ levels above me

But yeah, anytime there’s a matchup that you are wondering about, just check in here if you need advice

That’s what this channel is about

[grizzled bone]

people here routinely beat people 30 sync levels above

[viral spoke]

Oops, i think i meant their Nikke levels. Not their SKK level

[rich quail]

Yeah, sync levels

[viral spoke]

With my characters still in 312 where i got lucky to get far at Diamond 4 i guess that alone is already more than enough

You are correct tho, i see a possible winning from a little diff in CP gap, i have chances

[rich quail]

The cp numbers are the main focus

There is a formula that checks to see what amount of cp you need to fight an opponent without penalty

[viral spoke]

Or at least purposefully lose one and win 2 in attacking side

But defending on the other hand, it has to be perfect all 3 💀

And boy, you have no idea how many rats attempting against me at the start of season and days before end of season

[rich quail]

Well, 2 of your teams need to be solid

[viral spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[rich quail]

And it’s very possible

[viral spoke]

So far so good, i see my defending team still wins. But the paranoid is catching up

[rich quail]

But the best thing is to level up your units the right way and ask for help here in this channel

That’s how we all get better

I must go

My planet needs me

https://tenor.com/view/captain-planet-planet-captain-planet-and-the-planeteers-you-gif-13264293

[grizzled bone]

@viral spoke you should look at the pins for resources so you can improve your understanding in pvp. It will help you in the future

also good job @rich quail

[formal cradle]

hello again lol i am considering OLing my rapunzel now that i have finished OLing everyone else in my main pvp roster. would she be a good replacement for noir or tia, assuming she is around the same cp?

[grizzled bone]

rapunzel is a meta unit for pvp. OLing her would be good but whether she's a good replacement depends on the team comp

[formal cradle]

blanc emilia redhood noir tia

also wandering if 4 star anis is meta enough that she is worth OLing

[grizzled bone]

in that particular line up the only unit I might suggest replacing is Tia. While Rapunzels kit is good for revives/heals and general stalling she doesn't have as good burst generation compared to a clip sg unit like Noir

Rapunzel and Tia have similar burst gen

OG Anis has one of the highest burst gen in the game and speed matters a lot in PvP. So while it may be worth OLing Anis to keep up with CP it would take away resources from other units so it's ultimately up to you who and how you want to prioritize

[quartz prawn]

Wanted to know if my sp arena defense teams need any changes.
I tried making my own teams with balanced cp and decent RL speeds.
T1: alice - sbs - naga - drake - jackal 148kcp - 3RL
T2: blanc - sanis - anis - noir - noise 147k cp 3RL
T3: pepper - mari - rh - sugar - sbunny 151k cp 3.5RL
btw, who is scalter? Is that sbs?

[grizzled bone]

yes, same
scalter - scarlet alternate, scarlet black shadow

[quartz prawn]

ohhh I see

[grizzled bone]

these arent bad

[quartz prawn]

nice. I'm not sure about the pepper choice tho. But i thought if i had mari p1 rh p2 and replaced pepper with a dps option, I think mari would get one shot and then i would have to use burst 2 on rh.

[grizzled bone]

but you can do better i think

you should use rapunzel and bay

[quartz prawn]

maybe. I've tried reading the guides, but i'm still lost when it comes to unit synergy.

[grizzled bone]

where in your roster does your out of synch units start?

rapi?

[quartz prawn]

rapunzel to replace pepper? It reduces to 4RL if i do that, is that ok?
And bay to replace mari? Naga will soon be full OL so like x3 cp vs non campaign units.
It starts at rapi yeah.

0 syncro slots left. Could buy some though.

[grizzled bone]

that's fine. I just wanted to know

not necessarily to replace anyone, but their kits are too good to not include in your comps.
e.g. Bay is a value-meal Noah, she will help stop nukes to a degree

[quartz prawn]

true, i was thinking if it was for setting up defense, they would just have their nukes vs my other teams.

[grizzled bone]

i'm not awake enough right now to cook but if no one helps you ping me later

[quartz prawn]

ty, will do

[grizzled bone]

eh either way, why not use the tools if you got em

[quartz prawn]

yeah true. though I'm confused about this wording "self survives". does it just mean as long bay bursts the skill will activate? or i mean like if she bursts and then dies, does the skill no longer activate?

[grizzled bone]

i think that means her S2 stops working if she dies

since it starts at the end of full burst

[quartz prawn]

oh that's a small bummer

[spiral onyx]

Just don't die

[grizzled bone]

lol hello Keripo

[brazen ledge]

hi, where do i put noise here ?

[halcyon sinew]

I think replace Emma

[cedar gate]

SP def teams?

[copper creek]

kekw

[valid fern]

I am just realizing now that clip sg is faster than mag rl? man wtf

[whole shell]

Yeah

[dim sapphire]

Is keripo done with new character review for pvp?

[wraith stream]

i have a question im starting to get drop from top10 on arena and cant really win why is that? ive been playin without breaks at like %95 of my time but the CP gap is gettin like 200-300k for full team what should i do at this point?

[keen vapor]

Overload gears?

[wraith stream]

i did start doing stuff like that but i cant really get to chose because i still dont have a main 3 teams to play perma because i dont understand the meta teams

[keen vapor]

Show box

[wraith stream]

1 sec

pretty much like this

[keen vapor]

There's no Noah

Neither Centi

[static plaza]

need help with 3 team for sp def ty

[wraith stream]

i do have centi but yeah no noah

first pic middle last one

[keen vapor]

Oh right

[rich quail]

He did one for Mari but I dunno if it’s in pins or not

[keen vapor]

Ok

Quick lesson about meta teams is that PVP will often require your teams to be in time to burst, and clip Rocket Launchers are the units that generates burst energy the most

There's only 3 clip RL tho, the rest recharge by msg

Those 3 are Jackal, Centi and Anis, so people who invest in PVP sooner or later end overloading those units

Yes, we use a purple unit

[wraith stream]

hmm yeah i do see jackal and centi but not too much anis tbh

[rich quail]

There are others who produce burst gen as much as the top 3: Noah and Emilia

Noah is a rare pilgrim, Emilia was a collab unit that you can’t get anymore

[keen vapor]

There's some workarounds to use Anis if you use SG clip units

A little example:

They do generate a bit less than RL clip

Problem with SG clip is that they shot 10 bullets at a time

So, if someone decides to use a Scar Blanc Jackal team they will burst faster than you and you'll lose

Both Scarlet and Jackal have skills that trigger once they receive 10 attacks/bullets, and those skills will also generate burst energy

[keen vapor]

Also, avoiding the use of Anis is under the statement of the necessity of 3 teams

If Champion arena for example requires us to make 5 teams then overloading Anis will become even more of a requirement to PVP

[keen vapor]

Also, the common Summer Anis stall team uses Biscuit, Noise and Rapunzel... Also Noah

You can considerate overloading those units before you get Noah or not

Rapunzel is used in Pilgrim Tower anyways

And so I do use Noise in Tetra tower bc she has high CP (also, I avoid using Noir so I can use Summer Anis)

[static plaza]

need help with 3 team for sp def ty
re post since ppl might not scroll that far back

[wraith stream]

this 3 are my team

still dont have noah tho lol

[keen vapor]

Replace Pepper.... I'll also suggest to do something else with your round 3 team, using two MG and Alice will make your team super slow to burst

Wait, pepper makes the Summer Anis team fast

I understand why Privaty is there but 😭

Nvm, try to cook for round 3 with Noise

[keen vapor]

This teams are quite good ngl

It has feed problem as I said so a Scarlet team wouldn't even need to choose which team to face to get one win

[keen vapor]

You either leave Summer Anis team as it is or you put Anis with rockets instead of Viper (SSR version will still feed tho)

Also, building the Scar team properly is an option
Is Scarlet/Blanc/Red Hood/Centi/Jackal

Overload them first, put in defense after ig

As for the last team you could cook something with Bay ...

Bay/Liter/SBS/Noir/Anis

Maybe

You will need to invest a lot in Bay so she doesn't dies before bursting

It may even require us to use Rapunzel there (instead of Liter for example) to keep the team healthy for the 10 seconds of full burst

[wraith stream]

i kinda dont understand by feed you mean the burst gauge booster so my teams lacks that right

[brazen ledge]

I really don’t know how to do PvP teams I just ask ppl and play with them

[wraith stream]

tbh i dont really wanna invest on bay because i still have a lot of units to do invest for more content including pvp

[keen vapor]

Feed in a nutshell:

[wraith stream]

so my scar/jackal team with redhood almost wins %95 of scenarios

i just have to find a second team that can keep up with other meta teams no?

[keen vapor]

Champion arena

[wraith stream]

thats true but its comes with time ig so eventually ill invest everyone anyways

[keen vapor]

Summer Anis team doesn't has Noah

While using Biscuit burst is workable, it won't be an invincible team

Well, no team is actually

[brazen ledge]

@keen vapor these are all my nikkes

Rosanna isn’t invested at all

[keen vapor]

That's why I told you the meta units

Now invest you have a month left best case scenario

[keen vapor]

It might be a good start to do so ..... I mean right, she has high requirements

Something for round 3...

[wraith stream]

so my first team
Scarlet/Blanc/Red Hood/Centi/Jackal
still anis team
bay team

is there a better option for 3rd or nah

[keen vapor]

Not at Scarlet/Summer Anis levels, no

[brazen ledge]

Im finishing sanis first 😂

Could you try to help me for my teams pls

[keen vapor]

What about
Moran/Naga/Alice/Anis/Noise

It will be 4RL but you have no faster B3 units either so...

[copper creek]

bwoah

[keen vapor]

Better a bit late than never with 2 MG

[keen vapor]

Hi munch

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/zamasu-mergedzamasu-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-super-gif-14099902

[brazen ledge]

And I keep the other ones as they are ?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[wraith stream]

so this is it for now all i need to is OL this units

[keen vapor]

Just one rock per overload

[wraith stream]

thats fine? ig i messed up by tryin min max every meta unit lol

[rich quail]

[static plaza]

need help with 3 team for sp def ty
re post since ppl might not scroll that far back

[rich quail]

Echo could u tell me how many cd cases should I hoard save up?

A ballpark number pls

[pastel narwhal]

[cold steeple]

How can I counter these 3 teams

[umbral crown]

You are not showing your firdt line of nikkes

[static plaza]

U can see their name below
Mw rh sbs litter Tia mod Alice Blanc novel Naga doro

These are unit I don't have

[echo cave]

just pulled jackal who should i bring in with scarlet on team one def

[umbral crown]

I know but next time please show thr first line of nikkes since its easier to suggest you teams and we do not have to zoom it to check the units name.

We mostly on phone

Scarlet/Crown/Liter/Centi/Jackal

Noah/Noise/SBS/Biscuit/Rapunzel

Blanc/Emilia/A2/Red Hood/Noir

Quatum on Jackal and Centi

[static plaza]

Ty

[umbral crown]

Anis for jackal

[echo cave]

would it be better for me to swap poli for crown/centi

[umbral crown]

Hmmn

You might lose some burst generation

[pastel narwhal]

4 echo's worth

[final tendon]

@valid fern truce? ?

i still haven't seen you at all yet so

i come to you humbly

[spark granite]

Does anyone have that chart with the Rocket launchers and their burst generator?

[glad meteor]

#pvp-arena message

there’s also a burst gen calculator in pins

[keen vapor]

Thousand :Kanna sip:

[spark granite]

Tyty. And what is stat/cp deficiency?

[keen vapor]

3rd pinned message

[spark granite]

Ohhh so basically both teams work closer to equal grounds when the cp gap is 15% and higher?

If I’m reading this wrong then gomen

[glad meteor]

The weaker team loses health and attack depending on how much deficit you’re on after 15.4%

Below 15.4%, there’s no stat reductions

[spark granite]

Oh so basically like pve when you’re cp is hella underlevel against raptures

[glad meteor]

Yep

[spark granite]

Tyty o appreciate it

[late tiger]

Does harran really have more burst generation than drake/pepper?

[grizzled bone]

noise-bay-sanis-rapunzel-anis
blanc-sbs-pepper-bsoda-maiden
jackal-alice-rh-noir-sugar

these are the units i think you should be playing around with. As of their current order they are all 3RL
Unfortunately you dont have a lot of RL units that are good for burst gen so these teams are sg heavy and can be vulnerable to units like Scarlet.
Couple notes:

• Bay is a budget Noah as you know. She's only good at stopping nukes that hit once, not only that but there are certain bursts that will just ignore her ability such as Emi.
• you might want to put OG Sakura in your sync. You don't really have any hard counters to SBS in your roster OG Sakura reduces damage from wind units
• Jackal, Anis, Bay can be left at 4/4/4 skills OLing them is up to you
• consider inveseting in Ein. She is a very good unit for PvE and PvP. I didn't include her in the teams because I don't know what your investment is
• if you're serious about PvP Rosanna is another unit to consider investing in. Can break Jackal links and when invested enough can snipe 1-2 units

feel free to ask about any questions about units, etc

[gaunt viper]

thoughts on how to win? 1st squad wins, 2nd loses, 3rd would win in the past but now I die to counter dmg from Scarlet before I can get burst 2 off

[grizzled bone]

• using Tia as your B1 re-enter makes your burst chain slower but if it's working for you . Most people dont burst with her though
• if your Emi is invested it's probably better to nuke with her on T2
• T3 the incomplete mirror team is slower than your opponent. If you're set on this team I would consider putting Jackal in either P1 or P5

[grizzled bone]

yes

[gaunt viper]

Tia was in there previously just to help boost CP cause she's pretty well invested. Emi is invested but they have such high CP i didn't think it would matter much. I'm not set on T3 if I need to make a change I can. I can change positions. I'll let you know how it goes

[rich quail]

I failed u

[rich quail]

How much is an Echo worth?

[gaunt viper]

1st won, 2nd still lost (killed Noah before they could get burst off), 3rd one with Blanc and RH barely getting burst off before almost dying with RH alone to clean up

[pastel narwhal]

68 hambagahs

[rich quail]

That’s like… 40 chizborgers!

[grizzled bone]

did your T3 win?
their T2 is defensively pretty sound
T1 I would consider using Scarlet-Jackal for an easy win since their team is mostly MGs and ARs, it would free up Biscuit to pair with a defender like either Noah or Blanc

[gaunt viper]

T3 barely won. T1 really it was just the CP difference cause modernia mowed them down, no burst needed either

[grizzled bone]

yeah using Jackal effectively was the key here. What position did you put her?

[gaunt viper]

put her in P5

[grizzled bone]

P4 is generally considered the safe-zone. Putting Jackal there means she doesnt get fed properly so you're limiting your burst gen.
it's also the mistake that your opponent made

[gaunt viper]

gotcha, makes sense then. tyvm for all the advice

[grizzled bone]

my pleasure.
also look at this targeting chart

[gaunt viper]

I see, makes sense to put dmg shared tank units on p5 or p1 then 🤔

[grizzled bone]

[quartz prawn]

@grizzled bone you down to cook? Moved some units around.
T1: Drake - Alice - SAnis - Jackal - Naga 3RL
T2: Blanc - SBS - Anis - Noir - Noise 3RL
T3: Bay - RH - Rapunzel - Sugar - Soda bunny 3.5RL
all teams are around 145kcp.
Tia, Liter, Mod are double the cp of the remaining nikkes.

[grizzled bone]

I'm currently out right now but I did give some thoughts here #pvp-arena message

@umbral crown would you be able to help sky while I'm not here?

[wild patio]

just like the Joker at the police station

[lethal scroll]

wtf? tf is happening here

[prime stag]

Is this guy accidentally pick the wrong pic? Or just blatantly post this lol

[lethal scroll]

there is no accident here

[prime stag]

[umbral crown]

Yeah, i can

[umbral crown]

Pic deleted?

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-i-dont-know-idk-you-tell-me-gif-16836569

[lethal scroll]

yea

[umbral crown]

Why

[lethal scroll]

oh wait which pic u talkin about

[wild patio]

someone dont like me here

its supposed to be pic of my battle logs with some dirty caption

I thought this is a server for gooner's game

[wild patio]

I getting jumped by 3 diff players when I reached C3

so you know whats the caption gonna be

[umbral crown]

Donte pic

[umbral crown]

Could not see well the names

[minor kiln]

Any pvp team suggestions for both modes? anything under modernia needs investment except naga, working on drunk scarlet right now

[umbral crown]

Sky you need to check the teams, right

[quartz prawn]

Hi, I was wondering if you can give me advice on my setup. I was thinking doing
T1: Drake - Alice - SAnis - Jackal - Naga 3RL
T2: Blanc - SBS - Anis - Noir - Noise 3RL
T3: Bay - RH - Rapu - Sugar - Soda 3.5RL
all teams are around 150k cp, however, I think ppl in my bracket can easily get 2 atk teams with 180k cp.
I'm only focusing on maxing my campaign team, liter - naga - rh - mod - tia (they are at least x2 cp more than other nikkes besides noir, alice, and blanc), then I think I will focus on SAnis and SBS.
Do you recommend any better teams for sp arena defense?

[quartz prawn]

oh yeah msged right on time lol

[umbral crown]

Yeah, give me 1 min to check on calculator

[umbral crown]

Scarlet Black S.-Blanc-Red Hood-Drake-Jackal
Noise-Tia-S.Anis-Bunny soda-Mari
Alice-Noir-Rapunzel-Bay-Sugar

[umbral crown]

laplace trasure?

[quartz prawn]

Hmm t2 has 114k cp. I think the enemy can just shoot me down before i burst. Is it better to just use high cp filler nikkes for now?

[umbral crown]

and the other 2 teams?

[minor kiln]

@rosy yes, she still needs some investment tho for skills and overload gear levels

[quartz prawn]

t1 is 172k which is solid. t3 is 144k cp.

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

will try to edit Team 2

check now team 2

[quartz prawn]

142k. Judging from enemies defense teams, i think t2 and t3 will be at least 15% cp diff. But, in my bracket, ppls teams are not that fast.

[umbral crown]

SP Defense:
Blanc-SBS-Red Hood-Centi-Noir
Scarlet-Crown-Liter-Bunny Soda-Jackal
Noah-Rapunzel-S.Anis-Laplace-Tia

S.Anis 7-7-9 or 10-10-9 in skills Mandatory Resilence cube
Quatum cube on Jackal and Centi
Add Centi to your Sync Dev

[umbral crown]

and if you have an actual good team against cp pad team you have higher chances to win

[quartz prawn]

sounds good. thank you for cooking

[umbral crown]

like i team i faced some days ago, 374k cp but i did a 350k team and practically enemy team had 2 nikkes alive when i was about to do Burst 3

[quartz prawn]

oh nice. I thought having cp penalty would have been bad enough to where nikkes can just shoot a couple bullets and ur dead.

[minor kiln]

@umbral crown thank you! ill start investing in anis next then. any suggestions for who to upgrade after her?

[umbral crown]

it will depends your focus, pvp or pve

but i would suggest Ssakura

in case your are done with Scarlet

[minor kiln]

@Rosy im going to finish scarlet, anis, and asuka, then maybe alice

after that ill mostly focus on pvp

[umbral crown]

excellent

go for it

[minor kiln]

will asuka be worth it for pvp for her high cp or not really?

and what should i use for my single battle team? mostly high cp?

@Rosy

[keen vapor]

As worth as Alice (not your ideal DPS but still one)

[minor kiln]

sweet thanks, still not quite sure how much combat power difference matters

[umbral crown]

not really, asuka is more for pve

[umbral crown]

you could Try: Scarlet-Blanc-Red Hood-SBS-Jackal

[keen vapor]

So much DPS :deadge:

People, we getting new clip RL

[dim sapphire]

oh yeah new RL. Quiry being RL before anni

bad sign

[umbral crown]

real?

[vapid lake]

rumani looks like clip RL

#game-news message

[keen vapor]

We getting ready for champion arena with this one boys

[umbral crown]

are we?

[pastel owl]

about time that release another pvp unit

[keen vapor]

are we not?

[umbral crown]

depends on luck

if shes clip RL then we won

[keen vapor]

Don't you hoarded vouchers for wishlist purposes?

[vapid lake]

she has a revolver cylinder looking grenade launcher, looks like clip to me unless they SU trolling

[umbral crown]

nope, just gems

i can not live with red dots

[keen vapor]

[vapid lake]

what other type of weapon can this possibly be

[keen vapor]

Clip

My wishlist can't take another Tetra :deadge:

[umbral crown]

but but... oh boi

shes hot enough to get 1 copy at least haha

[vapid lake]

i know, i wasnt looking at the weapon at first

[umbral crown]

man of culture

[vapid lake]

it only started sinking in later when other people pointed it out

[umbral crown]

but hoping she is clip with a decent kit

[vapid lake]

the only way SU can possibly troll pvpers is by making her reload using a speedloader instead of inserting them one by one

[umbral crown]

pvp can be more interesting

with 6 ammo maybe

[keen vapor]

Rosy :pepeh: think on the anniversary

[keen vapor]

Is funny how Jackal is the only clip RL that has ONE decent skill of the 3 batteries

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

1 copy and saving the rest for winter and new year

[keen vapor]

Ah right, we mileage pilgrims

[umbral crown]

happens when you are bad girl

[keen vapor]

I always forget about harder pulls

[umbral crown]

i would need to do 130 pulls for 200 gold tix

[keen vapor]

Still better than Centi/Anis

[umbral crown]

yeah

but getting another clip rl being SR helps a lot

[gaunt sentinel]

@umbral crown i am still waiting for def team in pvp

[umbral crown]

did not i suggest you? my bad

thought i did

[vapid lake]

too busy staring at rumani's... weapon

[gaunt sentinel]

it been almost a week waiting

[umbral crown]

time really flies

[gaunt sentinel]

but now i have been fighting for c5

[crystal flicker]

PvP became boring if nobody attack you

[umbral crown]

SP Defense:
Blanc-Emilia-Red Hood-Centi-Laplace+
SBS-Noir-Liter-X.Anne-Jackal
Noah-Noise-S.Anis-Biscuit-Bunny Soda

Tell me if your cp increase with these teams

[umbral crown]

that symbol in that rival name....

[livid pasture]

So for Scarlet PVP is the best comp

Scarlet, Rosanna, XAnne, Centi and a Burst 3 SG?

[graceful grotto]

Scarlet normally assosiate with Jackal

[grizzled bone]

there aren't any best comps, anything can be beaten

in that type of team though you want jackal

[formal cradle]

assuming everyones around the same cp , is there a definitive 'best' 3 team setup for arena defense?

[chilly furnace]

No

[grizzled bone]

No. There aren't really any 'best' teams.

there are meta units and teams are usually made from those units

[cedar gate]

SP def teams? Yall?

[pastel owl]

your roaster so good

[grizzled bone]

scarlet-blanc-liter-bsoda-jackal
noah-noise-sanis-pepper-centi
bay-sbs-rh-biscuit-noir

i do not recommend using def teams to attack

[formal cradle]

what are the must-build units (if any)

[chilly furnace]

Pretty much same essentially as for campaign and tower

[grizzled bone]

there are various tier lists out there (links in the pins) that you can look at it

keripo's gives in depth reviews about units and their uses (his investment guide is more on the whale-y side though)
prydwen and nikke.gg have tier lists that can be sorted by pvp

i would advise not bricking your pve units though

pve is the life blood of doing anything in pvp

Keripo tier list

Prydwen:

• Meta units - https://tinyurl.com/4ffcu6sx
• Special Arena (SP) - https://tinyurl.com/ycxnsjrv

nikke.gg:

• Rookie Arena - https://tinyurl.com/43u6a2z4
• Special Arena (SP) - https://tinyurl.com/2p8222fy

Keripo's Video and Matrix:

• Countering the Meta - https://tinyurl.com/eydrpwh7
• Keripo's PvP Matrix - http://tinyurl.com/keripo-nikke-pvp-test-matrix

[formal cradle]

hmm i see
I looked through and i do have most of these units built, but i noticed that i didnt see liter in the matrix. liter is included in my scarlet def team--if im interpreting this guide right though, i should replace her with a well built rapunzel or moran?

im also unsure now if my emilia should keep her adjutant cube or if i should actually swap her to quantum (i think im only lvl 3 or 4 though. she would probably replace anis)

[grizzled bone]

Liter has her uses, like her attack buff, max ammo, cover repair, etc
A lot of the time you're putting more than one B1 or B2 or B3 for team synchronization based on skills
there's also the risk of not completing a burst chain because you only had one type of unit on a team and they got knocked out

[grizzled bone]

I would say quantum over adjutant for the pure burst gen, but depending on your cube investments your mileage my vary

[formal cradle]

gotcha, should i aim to build up my quantum cube for treasurelaplace too? or different cube for her?

[grizzled bone]

Well generally I would say build up Resilience and Bastion cubes first for PvE and more units benefit from those cubes than any others
But yes, Quantum is good, we generally advise to equip it to your big burst gen units e.g. Emilia, Jackal, Anis, Centi, etc.

[formal cradle]

Thanks!! I do have my resilience and bastion both at lvl 7. I think one is at 8, cant remember which rn haha. But i didnt realize i should build quantum--im definitely gonna build it now. Thanks for the help!

[grizzled bone]

feel free to ask about units and team building here

[formal cradle]

My biggest issue is that i ask too many repetitive questions because i have poor reading comprehension lol

Thanks

[grizzled bone]

we can help with defense teams but for attack teams should be tailored to your opponents defense

[grizzled bone]

eh its not really your fault, the game is known to have locaization issues so stuff gets lost in translation

[formal cradle]

Tbh the pvp unit that confuses me the most is rosanna lol

Cant tell if shes good for defense and attack or just attack (because of her burst gen)

[grizzled bone]

Rosanna is tricky... it's been harder to advise people using her with the introduction of dolls and stuff.
Her uses are breaking Jackal link and if you build her enough sniping units.
A typical team with Rosanna could be Scarlet-Flex-XAnne-Rosanna-Jackal for example

[formal cradle]

Every day i continue to wish i got XAnne lmaooo

i got Xrupee 💔

[grizzled bone]

lol easily the worst xmas unit

if it makes you feel better I have no xmas units

[fallow nebula]

Why doesnt this team work

[summer copper]

Turn quick battle off and find out

[chilly furnace]

Because ur b3 are slow

At the time emil nuke , enemy got noah invul and anis just kill everything

[copper creek]

...

[copper creek]

your team is too fast.

due to tia delaying noah's cast,
emilia's burst projectile hits enemy team while opponent noah's shield is still up.
please use a 2buff 3rl scarjack.

[fallow nebula]

Thanks

[chilly furnace]

Or this

[copper creek]

i would also say that x.anne is not super important (you can sub with poli).

yes, x.anne is faster (standard RL vs. mag sg) and feeds opponents less by that same virtue
but also dont forget the attacker that x.anne revives also loses their atk buffs

[chilly furnace]

I use xanne over poli anytime (if i have her)

[copper creek]

of course, but he does not have x.anne

[chilly furnace]

Yea, me too

[cold steeple]

Can someone help me to counter these team in sp arena?

[raven plover]

team 1

noah, biskit, rapun, alice, centi

team 2 put 1 unit on p5 (very right on screen)

team 3 use your scarlet team

scarlet, blanc, anis, redhood, jack

check team 1 CP deficit, its on pins how to do it

[loud sonnet]

Taunter

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[wise horizon]

any advice here? @raven plover

[cold steeple]

Thank you brother

[raven plover]

I feel like if you use your sanis team on their laplace team you should win

no noah yea?

[wise horizon]

Don’t have her. She’s been evading me

[loud sonnet]

T1 is only 4rl so maybe your T2 to enemy T1?

[vapid lake]

glad i havent OL my moran, looks like rumani gonna kick moran out

[loud sonnet]

I just OL her

[raven plover]

prolly not tbh but then again it depends on investment

cus moran gives team reduction

[cold steeple]

@raven plover do you mind helping me to see if my sp arena def team is outdated?

[wise horizon]

If I use SAnis team on T3, T1 will need a different team 😦

[raven plover]

rumani mostly selfish with atk debuff, hoping if its better nero

[raven plover]

we only need 2 wins right

t2 should win

[wise horizon]

T2 won’t win. I tried before

[raven plover]

sure but Im not the best at it

[raven plover]

whats the problem, bay didnt block?

[cold steeple]

These are my current def team

I didn’t update them for a long time

[raven plover]

no biskit? do you have laplace treasure?

[cold steeple]

Yes but equipment is kinda bad

[cold steeple]

Ya man I didn’t update my def team for a long time although I have biscuit hehehe

Mind building me a new def team

[raven plover]

its not CP gapped yet you go down so fast

do you have blanc then

[wise horizon]

yeah

shes listed in T3

[raven plover]

team 2 put something on p5

team 3

scar, blanc, redhood, anis, jack?

check the CP

[raven plover]

is that ssakura built

[cold steeple]

Yes

Well built

[raven plover]

ok wait

[cold steeple]

Lemme share my whole box

[raven plover]

oh I actually checking your chat history

[cold steeple]

Oops should have sent it earlier

[wise horizon]

T1 Moran, Pepper, SAnis. Biscuit, Laplace
T2 skill (pos5)
T3 Scarlet, Blanc, RH, Anis, Jackal

like this?

[raven plover]

yea cus your t1 won right

[wise horizon]

yeah it did

[raven plover]

• blanc, emi, laplas, redhood, anis
• scarlet, xanne, noir, rapun, jack
• noise, noah, sanis, ssakura, centi

[mighty horizon]

please help me for the sp arena, thanks yall

[raven plover]

put vigor / temper on blanc noah noise

[wise horizon]

thanks. it worked out well

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/relief-phew-gif-23013071

[cold steeple]

Appreciate it man

[wicked horizon]

If I asked for someone to give me their thought process of how they assemble a set of atk/def teams for SPA (for a particular scenario), do you think someone would do it?

[vapid lake]

i just read prydwen guide and keripo spreadsheet then try to use my own brain

maybe they'll help u too
https://tinyurl.com/nikke-pvp-tierlist

[cold steeple]

Well I tried to learn but still failed at the end

Not sure if I’m dumb or what

[vapid lake]

there's a lot of text

[cold steeple]

But learning does improve my understanding more so I don’t ask stupid questions

It’s just that I still suck at speed tuning

I see 2RL 3RL everywhere but when I try to change my team from 3RL to 2RL I have no idea how

[cold steeple]

So long story short, you still need some basic understanding of how pvp works or else even if someone teach u abt it you also won’t understand

[rich quail]

yup

On-the-job training

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, I mean I read those, but that's like... all very theoretical information and it didn't stick much.

Technical documentation is great for experts.
Worked examples are great for beginners.

'cause like those guides don't have any "priority" information.

They describe things in fine detail, but some details are useless compared to some huge thing that you need to consider.
So if you take each aspect of them at equal priority, you end up overdoing the little things, and underdoing the big things.

[vapid lake]

i formed my own understanding of how to make pvp teams but i wont cook for you or explain for u cos i'm not deeply into it
so its better that u ask one of the tryharders here to explain their thought process to u

but what i learnt from the guides allowed me to start punching up and win consistently

that's enough for me

[wicked horizon]

e.g. no amount of good teambuilding will make me a better team than just slotting in my 50k CP characters (as opposed to a well made team of 30-40k CP characters).

[raven plover]

yes CP gap them
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946720097031045161/1190608667721084949/Screenshot_2023-09-14-06-08-07-370_com.proximabeta.nikke.jpg?ex=670e49ba&is=670cf83a&hm=38b64d31d542d66771922c40e4145783bcfc0a0055d0a3fff76167dd8f259ea6&

[rich quail]

Well

If you rely on cp gap, there are ways to break those teams even with slight penalty from cp gap

If it’s poorly organized

[wicked horizon]

Really? Can you overcome a 25% gap?

[vapid lake]

what the actual fk

[rich quail]

Let me check, but yes I have done it recently

Not 25% (that’s too big) but something slightly over cp threshold

[wicked horizon]

Well, yeah, 16-20% even, sure.

I do rely on the CP gap, but I make sure it's at least 20%, ideally at least 25%.
I have definitely lost (and won) fights in the 16-20% range.

[rich quail]

Team 2 is where I had cp deficit

No real threat for burst gen, all single-fire units

I countered with Noah/Biscuit/SBS with RH attack buff

509569 cp vs 419641 cp

It was easier to attack opponent’s t1 and t2. Opp t3 has a lot of burst gen, Rapunzel, and Noah/Biscuit combo.

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/silent-hill-silent-hill2-james-sunderland-sad-depressed-gif-27628054

[rich quail]

[pastel narwhal]

[thin abyss]

Hey guys, wasn't the champion arena supposed to come out in this upcoming patch? 🤔

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[terse abyss]

in my server i was dunking on a guy with 25-30% deficit in rookie arena

dude just cp maxed and i had biscuit, blanc, and red hood for the deeps

my 2 other units were just my highest cp units

im surprised he hasnt tried other teams yet, dudes a whale judging from how he dominates in every ranking by a mile

[covert lintel]

another core pvp?

[mighty haven]

If 40s, mid, 20s though maybe

[mighty haven]

1st world problems, find a comfy spot and your life becomes so much more peaceful

[thin abyss]

Maybe, her RL seems like the one Anis has
So maybe it's a clip RL

[mighty haven]

Or Centi yah, grenade launcher

[wicked horizon]

I finally got Jackal.

I still feel like I should just put my 4 strongest characters + Liter into Rookie arena?

As well as maybe one of the attacking teams in SPA?

But as always, I have no idea how to make my defending teams. Can I get help with that?

[mighty haven]

Rookie you can run Blanc/Scarlet/Anis/Centi/Jackal, if you're within CP deficit then no one will match you for speed (can replace Blanc for Noah to be even faster, though you'd lose damage boost for Scarlet)

[keen vapor]

Someone knows why Zwei gives the same feed as standard SG clip?

[mighty haven]

probably ask in other cord(s)

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

How you got that aspect ratio

[keen vapor]

Burst recharge matters very little in PVP

[wicked horizon]

It's edited together in paint.

[keen vapor]

I see

[umbral crown]

probably

[umbral crown]

[mild moat]

I've asked for help on this guy before, but he's changed his teams and now I can't beat him, any help would be appreciated. (My teams not completely relevant in the images)

[mighty haven]

try swap T2 + T3, leave T1, take it no Noah?

[mild moat]

@mighty haven I have noah, how would you recommend rebuilding one of these teams with her?

[mighty haven]

If you replace Blanc with Noah in the current T3, then make them T2, I think your RL will be faster before their Noah can get off invuln....don't quote me on that though

[mild moat]

ill try it out :) thanks

[drifting socket]

Will this work?

[grizzled bone]

your t1 wont burst

[mighty haven]

What other Nikkes have you got? your T2 is going to be in deficit/Liter in P5 is a bad idea

[drifting socket]

Uhm I'll be in even bigger deficit if I swap liter

[mighty haven]

Just post which other Nikkes you have, pref in landscape mode

[drifting socket]

Lemme find it sec

Here

I have the new units but I don't think that matters

[mighty haven]

What's your CP if you make a team of: Noah/Noise/SAnis/Biscuit/Mpriv

[mild moat]

this almost worked, but needed to swap sanis and emi in t3 to win the match. thanks

[mighty haven]

And check CP if you do Blanc/Ein/RH/Centi/Jackal

[drifting socket]

I think my ein is really weak lol

Blanc too

[mighty haven]

doesn't matter, as long as your deficit doesn't go beyond 15.4%

[drifting socket]

This is 277

[drifting socket]

257

[mighty haven]

277k?

[drifting socket]

Yeah

Man has 60 levels on me

[mighty haven]

For your current T1, try going -> Blanc/Anis/RH/Alice or MW/Jackal, and lemme know CP

[drifting socket]

Sanis?

[mighty haven]

Blanc/RH/normal Anis/Alice/Jackal

[drifting socket]

279 lol

[mighty haven]

Who has Quantum cube, and is it Level 3 or 4+?

[drifting socket]

Jackal and bsoda

3

I can level it once if needed

[mighty haven]

If you make Noah/Anis/RH/Centi/Jackal, is it 271000 CP or better?

[drifting socket]

255

[mighty haven]

Try Blanc in place of Noah, and put your Quantums on Jackal + Centi

Just need to check T2

you will be 3RL in T1 vs them, and CP deficit won't affect, only thing is priv will stun you

Should probably outdamage though after that

[drifting socket]

Ok

What makes it so slow btw?

[mighty haven]

Actually, make the T1 with Blanc go fight T2....if you make Noah/Noise/SAnis/Biscuit/BSoda, what kind of CP we looking

[drifting socket]

267

[mighty haven]

Calculations are their T1 + T2s are 3 RLs

[drifting socket]

Ohhh I see

[mighty haven]

Yeah, do that team to go up against T1, your Noah will invuln before their Priv does B3 for stun, since you should both be 3RL

[drifting socket]

And the rh team for t2?

[mighty haven]

Yah, T2 should probably blast everyone once Noah's invuln is off

[drifting socket]

Wouldn't biscuit defend Noah?

[mighty haven]

Depends who RH targets first

[drifting socket]

Oh right ig snipers start p5

Ok I'll try this team

[mighty haven]

both your teams will be at slight deficit, see how you go

The real PvP cooks aren't on

[drifting socket]

:') both teams died before they could do anything

[mighty haven]

rats, yeah the CP gap too big

[drifting socket]

Well ig unbeatable q.q Ty for help tho