pvp-arena

[rich quail]

@pastel narwhal I imagine that Boda gif is dancing on my grave

[worthy knoll]

I'm confident my Moran team can tank Emi team too

With the help of SR dolls

[pastel narwhal]

someone should make boda doll like how Rei ayanami doll dances in front of shinji

[umbral crown]

I see, but you know if its pvp i can go with anything in terms of investment

[worthy knoll]

Moran and Makima are bane of blanc Emi teams

[copper creek]

oh this thing

[worthy knoll]

Life stealing SAnis?

[copper creek]

i have ran either this
or a centi in place of anis version of this

it did not work out for me

yea i figured

[worthy knoll]

Too risky

[copper creek]

not replicable with a 444 noise/biscuit

even with sr dolls

maybe need sr dolls PLUS high skill invest

[umbral crown]

Waos

[copper creek]

i have 5 sr doll on that comp and it was worth fk all

[umbral crown]

Works for me, arigatou

[meager snow]

Thank you

[umbral crown]

On the way to max some dolls

[copper creek]

5x sr doll, 4/4/4 noise&biscuit&jackal - didnt work for me

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

We need to go with max skills and dolls at SR10 or SR15

[rich quail]

What is this SORCERY?

…

… how do I do it?

[copper creek]

the dolls not the super important bit, the biscuit burst investment is

[umbral crown]

Not caring for pve

[worthy knoll]

The Keripo vid?

[copper creek]

if biscuit burst not 10 there is no conversation to be had, it does not work

[umbral crown]

Thats what i mean with max skills

[copper creek]

oh need noise at b10 too?

[worthy knoll]

Emi also powers up with doll

[umbral crown]

S.U give me some book pack deals

[copper creek]

ok f it not gonna be my problem then

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

but yea this was one of the teams i wanted to run for CA

and then scrapped because its cancerous at low invest

[velvet sky]

need to up biscu burst from 8 to 10 to test it

[copper creek]

so if u are thinking of trying with 4/4/4 units - i already did, u dont need to 🤣 it does not work

[worthy knoll]

Yeah I meant if you were banking on the damage reduction, Emi also increased her damage output so.. it will prolly still be the same result 🤔

[umbral crown]

So noise no need ammo

[velvet sky]

i have 9/10/9 noise 7/7/8 biscu & 10/10/5 jackal so I’m close but no sr dolls on noise & biscu only Rs

[worthy knoll]

I think Moran with Rapu auto heal would have more chances over Noise B1

[copper creek]

i accept manual donations plz ty oneechan

[umbral crown]

Ely knows

[worthy knoll]

If only I can help you test

All the units there are maxed for me

[umbral crown]

Waos, Merry my man

[worthy knoll]

But like.. theres 0 Emi team in my bracket

None too

[copper creek]

holy mother of pve abandonment

[worthy knoll]

Well there was one then they changed to RH burst

Who am I fighting?

[copper creek]

wait zixk and merry in same bracket ?

[worthy knoll]

Someone in Tyranny?

[copper creek]

yeah checks out

wait whos in ur bracket merry

[worthy knoll]

Only one I know is Nycto

[copper creek]

anyone contactable

[worthy knoll]

But.. he is like.. has 60+ sync over me

[copper creek]

@latent raptor we need your sexy body bro

for science

oh nvm i forgot about that part
sorry

[worthy knoll]

[umbral crown]

Merry with sync issues

[worthy knoll]

Well maybe it should be fine as long I'm not cp gap

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

or

@trail inlet my sexy lady, my sexy baby, i want your sexy body

whats ur biscuit and noise investment right now

[coarse basalt]

[latent raptor]

sup

[copper creek]

@worthy knoll

[worthy knoll]

Yeah my CP is low using this team

[copper creek]

whats ur cp on blanc/emi/rh/biscuit/centi bro? @latent raptor

[worthy knoll]

How high is your Blanc Emi RH Biscuit some clip RL team?

[velvet sky]

went to find some victims in rookie to test it and first things i see is a fkn number 1 whale jumping on me x4

[latent raptor]

sec lemme login

[copper creek]

domestic violence

[umbral crown]

Message delivered from him

[pastel narwhal]

what do you need to test? some high burst noise vs blanc emilia rh?

[copper creek]

looking for b10 noise and biscuits

[worthy knoll]

Maybe using Quiry should be fine 🤔

[umbral crown]

Level gap but cp looks fine

[worthy knoll]

This investment should be fine right

Oh is Anis better than Centi?

[umbral crown]

In terms on burst not really

[copper creek]

of course it is u need to ask putangina

[worthy knoll]

Sorry na

[umbral crown]

[pastel narwhal]

ahh well, my alt doesn't have enough burst manual2's to pull it off

[worthy knoll]

Righto

[pastel narwhal]

ok po sorry n po

[worthy knoll]

So I use Noise Biscuit SAnis Anis Jackal

[copper creek]

correct

[umbral crown]

Si

[worthy knoll]

Oof I got a problem

[copper creek]

dont worry thats the only tagalog i know

[umbral crown]

Cp gap

[velvet sky]

bruh all i see is noah emis can’t find any blanc emi among non-whales

only whales have it

[worthy knoll]

Oof I got a problem@latent raptor maybe you could.. lose in rookie with your free attempts to lower your score?

[copper creek]

f i shouldnt have went drinking before seeing all this

im laughing too hard hahahaha

[worthy knoll]

I got a lot of losses when testing that Rosanna def team

[rich quail]

Well, I’ll be…

It works

[torn onyx]

3 sp arena teams defense and attack?

[latent raptor]

aight

[rich quail]

What info do you need?

I can tell you whatever

[velvet sky]

the most annoying thing is i can’t jump x5 back bc this jerk’s team is 698k & the highest i can get rn is 502k

[copper creek]

why he decide to hit u anyway
did u offend him in sp.a 🤣

[velvet sky]

no he’s c1 i can’t

[worthy knoll]

I would gladly use gems.. if only my ammo wasn't this low

[copper creek]

swipe! spend! whale!

[worthy knoll]

I shouldn't have bought those entry for hard mode yet

[copper creek]

ok before i start encouraging bad decisions i go back to drinks

cheers all \o/ enjoy, have a good friday night!

[wild patio]

NO ONE SHALL TAKE MY PLACE!!!

[pastel narwhal]

we just wait for this feature

[rich quail]

Cheers

[glad meteor]

To bully

[copper creek]

i dread to imagine what sort of message i'd send once that works

[pastel narwhal]

we get some too we post our best ones here

[rich quail]

So uh…

My Biscuit and Noise aren’t very high investment

Only S.Anis is

[worthy knoll]

@worn field is it also fine Nycto attacking with his Emi team while I'm defending with that SAnis team?

[glad meteor]

Time to learn mandarin or cantonese, and know the difference

[copper creek]

its the same over text ...

[glad meteor]

I have no idea

[pastel narwhal]

must know insults in all languages

[velvet sky]

looking at my wins i was prolly 2nd….while doing nothing in rookie that’s why this jerk targeted me

[worthy knoll]

@latent raptor you can also attack my def if you see me while going down the ranks, using that team, just that you'll be the one recording it

[pastel narwhal]

that's why i only do rookie at the end of the day

[copper creek]

then again no comment
i have hit ppl 5x plenty of times🤣

[trail inlet]

3/3/3 biscuit and 3/3/4 noise

[rich quail]

Me too

I only hit back when someone attacks me in sp

[worthy knoll]

Does the 200 points gap rule also applies to those above?

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

ok nvm i cant use your sexy body tonight

[umbral crown]

But but you told me to not whale

[copper creek]

need someone with high invest noise and biscuit

[rich quail]

No you don’t

I did it without much investment

[trail inlet]

bro needs to stop trying

[copper creek]

sigh...

[pastel narwhal]

living the dream for 3 seasons

[umbral crown]

Hehe i noticed

[steady raft]

Hi guys, is Rosanna without dupes usable against a bracket full of 400+ lvl?

[umbral crown]

Its not ded at all

[trail inlet]

only guy hitting me is 130k cp below me

[umbral crown]

Why

Ashen carry my will

Imma send him a new box

📦

[pastel narwhal]

what's in the box?!

[umbral crown]

A secret hidden of C7 units

[trail inlet]

[velvet sky]

i can’t find any victims in rookie to test

why y’all have noah emi

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-box-cat-gif-21537040

[pastel narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/crown-nikke-chokilicious-eureka-cultofkoochi-gif-6950766857863798844

[umbral crown]

I do not havr any interesting comp sadly

[wild patio]

Aight guys I just got moran. Time to pvp

[worthy knoll]

Reminds me of ||Schrödinger||

[glad meteor]

Anyone cooked with dorothy for ca?

[empty shuttle]

When will the next reform happen?

[wild patio]

so uh, is this a good 3rd team in pvp?

like this? from nikke.gg suggestions

[rich quail]

People hate me in Rookie

[worthy knoll]

Its tasty for Scarlet teams though

[jolly maple]

who's ohnope

[velvet sky]

10/10/10 moran solo time

[worthy knoll]

When will Einkk and Enikk be playable?

[rich quail]

@velvet sky Take a vid for posterity

April Fools Day

[worthy knoll]

[pastel narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/syuen-nikk-suffer-bullets-gif-3844590545281528926

i was betting on mustang next

[dim sapphire]

u never improve if u dont try

[velvet sky]

mine isn’t 10/10/10 yet only 6/8/10 (+ still no cursed manu helmet) but alr survives xanne buffed scar

gib me quiry

i can’t try meme team

[rich quail]

I haven’t even started meme team yet

But I guess I did give Nero some skill investments

[velvet sky]

first this jerk took my c7 bc he’s too dumb to beat c5 now this

[rich quail]

I think you have to send 📝

[pastel narwhal]

he does not naruhodo

[lone sequoia]

2 months more to spam nero teams(?

[rich quail]

Yes
2 months to build such a team sounds about right

[velvet sky]

and i malded against this bozo too but turned out i need jackal in 2 of them bc they flop otherwise

Actually let’s collectively send a message to this jerk I’ll ss everything now

[rich quail]

@velvet sky put this picture in the message, ok

[lone sequoia]

i was talking about CA, but yeah good luck with the resources

[umbral crown]

10/10/10 skills, SR 15 and ATK and Def on OL

[rich quail]

message attachment

[pastel narwhal]

but he might enjoy that

[rich quail]

Yeah they’ll come out of the woodwork for sure

[lone sequoia]

max core(?

[umbral crown]

Zixk sending a message as C1

[umbral crown]

Not really

[velvet sky]

Basically blanc emi rh works against t2 but only with jackal, then noise rapu sanis noah jackal works against t1 but only with jackal BUT I HAVE ONLY 1 JACKAL

[umbral crown]

Si

He should max her in all ways

[lone sequoia]

i'm at 30% cp deficit against this team, but i think i can win with a noah/biscuit/makima

[worthy knoll]

Noah Noise Anis Emi Centi

Moran Biscuit SAnis Rapu some gen unit or skip

Scarlet Blanc Biscuit(or some clip SG) RH Jackal

[worthy knoll]

If that 70% is true, I bet you can't

[rich quail]

My Moran is still a wip

[lone sequoia]

the problem is... only RH have damage with burst to kill the linked units but without b1 rh will die by scarlet S2 and stat diff

[velvet sky]

even buffed emi couldn’t fully wipe rosanna & noir in t1 they were left with like 10% hp & screwed me over

only sanis works there or rh

[worthy knoll]

I already experience able to burst at 50% cp gap.. can only kill 2 attacker.. it was already and RH Blanc RH too. Not enough damage more so if its 70%

[velvet sky]

moran team won’t survive too bc I’m as always at a big deficit

[lone sequoia]

my bad the deficit is 30%, i have the 70% of his team power

[worthy knoll]

But.. but.. it worked for me

Wait lemme find that vid with Noir and Ros

[velvet sky]

hello penalty my old friend

[worthy knoll]

Rip

[lone sequoia]

can centi tank noir hits?

[rich quail]

Do the S.Anis lifesteal trick

[worthy knoll]

And thats actually his lowest CP too

[rich quail]

Embrace the Dark Arts

[velvet sky]

only this worked so far

and rh as b1-3 too

[worthy knoll]

What is your updated box again?

[lone sequoia]

no linked scarlet, so a bait team?

[rich quail]

Blocked both of Rosie’s shots

And S.Anis sucking their lives away after that

[velvet sky]

there’s more but nothing worthy + not in sync anyway

i like how scarlet moves further and further from top 5

[lone sequoia]

c6rh

[velvet sky]

the beefiest out there, tho only with purple doll p11 not 15 yet will get even more cp after 15

[velvet sky]

my happy screeching heard the whole world when i got c6 from last pilgrim mold

[pastel narwhal]

shiny rh with new skin

[velvet sky]

next mold pls c7 pspspsp

[lone sequoia]

rh dupe with the anniversary

[velvet sky]

my goal

[worthy knoll]

T1: Rapunzel SAnis Rosanna Emi Noah

T3: Blanc Scarlet Biscuit RH Jackal 🤔

@velvet sky

[gilded stream]

[rich quail]

[lone sequoia]

time to show OL(?

[glad meteor]

Imagine having gold stars on red hood

[pastel narwhal]

[rich quail]

Core Max Vesti

[gilded stream]

mines just 38.1% att, some charge speed and a 64% ammo

[lone sequoia]

lines-4atk-2ele-3cs-1ammo and 1 random i think

[gilded stream]

I honestly haven't touched her since I first OL'd, only costed 60k gems + 400 pity tickets for c7 though

[glad meteor]

I might cook maiden nuke.
Maiden/blanc/rh/centi/jackal. Not 2.5 RL on base either. Xanne would help but it’s best option with being scarless

[lone sequoia]

right; 3ssr

i was thinking about getting mlb, but not now...

i will kill my account if i dry my resources

[keen vapor]

I have no dupes on my Red Hood

[worthy knoll]

@worn field i lost the Noise Biscuit.. but its not coz of Emilia

[rich quail]

I don’t have a Scarlet or Rapunzel dupe

[keen vapor]

A soul for a soul

[rich quail]

I thought u had it

[worthy knoll]

Did their Emi die coz my supporters were too strong against P2 Emi

[worthy knoll]

Nah I bursted first, so its a Iose on an indomed RH

When I B3, they were still doing B1

[rich quail]

I guess that’s good, save the burst gen units for other matches

[velvet sky]

let’s try

[rich quail]

So you can go slow but not too slow

[rich quail]

[worthy knoll]

That was the team Zixk told me to use

[rich quail]

ah ok
Everyone still testing?

[glad meteor]

lol, noise biscuit sanis ele

[velvet sky]

t1 lost

my rosanna died first

[worthy knoll]

Oof, already vigored?

[velvet sky]

T3 won

[worthy knoll]

I thought you would kill an unlinked Scarlet first

Did Noir skip to Ros?

Or just simply Scar S2

[worthy knoll]

Lemme see vid

[worthy knoll]

Ros died, burst Emi and Noah right?

[velvet sky]

Scar s2

no one even bursted

[worthy knoll]

I mean on Ros side

Oh its went P1 this time

Smh don't tell me Ros targetting is dependent on units.. no I guess I'll have to check initial targetting

One attacker left should be Attacker P5

[rich quail]

Is Ros supposed to attack p5?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah.. its suppose too.. but I haven't tested 2 attacker and one going down, I assumed it will be same when initial was only one attacker

[worthy knoll]

Guess lets just go with Noise SAnis Rapu Emilia Noah..mmh maybe lets place Noah P1 🤔

[velvet sky]

hmmmm

like feels like i just need to burst asap before some weird sht happens again

[worthy knoll]

I'm curious if you go with this initial setup

Will it burst on Noise or Noah, my testing said it should be on Noah but be my guinea pig pls

[velvet sky]

my poor gems

[rich quail]

Science is very expensive

[velvet sky]

well at least it’s good from cp side

Okay going

[worthy knoll]

At least we'll get answers if it depends on the type of units used or initial count of attacker

[velvet sky]

sanis died before burst

[worthy knoll]

What but she was alive earlier

[velvet sky]

but it barely won with rapu noah emi

[worthy knoll]

Who did Ros burst though?

Noise?

[velvet sky]

hold i have to crop vid as always bc once again no stupid nitro

[rich quail]

Merry, when Rosie is in concealment (especially with Jackal), Rosie can’t be targeted by the opposing team?

Single target

[worthy knoll]

Yeah should be, she can't be targetted by normal atks at least unless she is the only one left

Though SAnis S2 still hits her

[velvet sky]

i hate discord wdym still too big

[worthy knoll]

She can still be hit by RL splash though

[velvet sky]

FINALLY

[rich quail]

Oh ok, thanks for the explanation

So I think I saw that conversation yesterday, on how Rosie targets

[worthy knoll]

Guess the solution is swap SAnis and Rapu

[velvet sky]

quantum on gremlin saves my ass once again bc a bit slower & I’d be screwed

[worthy knoll]

But mmh, so the targetting prolly depends on the type of units 🤔

Or maybe just maybe.. it is dependent on where Rosanna is positioned

[rich quail]

Was Rosie hitting p1 this time?

[glad meteor]

Minimum cs to cs share?

[worthy knoll]

Bloody hell, I gotta test all kinds of Rosanna positions

....wait that sounded wrong

[lunar dirge]

you didn't stutter

[velvet sky]

anyway thanks as always @worthy knoll bestie will try switching pos & see next time this jerk jumps me again

[rich quail]

Time for position practice, Mister

[lunar dirge]

kamasutra speedrun any%,start

[worthy knoll]

[velvet sky]

imagine saying i want to have sacc strategy & trying different positions to someone who doesn’t understand the real meaning

[wild patio]

[velvet sky]

@umbral crown wake up u have to see this

and say your “i would”

[wild patio]

[worthy knoll]

[pastel narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/blushing-anime-anime-blush-cute-kawaii-gif-14047158

[worthy knoll]

[velvet sky]

@worthy knoll i saw that photo

[worthy knoll]

You saw nothing.. f.. i prolly clicked it since it was next to the vid.. the problem of fast upload speed

[velvet sky]

would be way funnier leaving it like that but guess mods would kick your ass

[glad meteor]

[rich quail]

I missed something good, didn’t I?

[lunar dirge]

And so i could post this too

[lunar dirge]

Are mods even there?

[velvet sky]

dw i won’t out you since you always help me beat whale jerks so it’s only between us

[worthy knoll]

@worn field I don't think Noise Biscuit SAnis will work if Moran one failed.. but maybe because it's a difference of sync?

[velvet sky]

[worthy knoll]

Or maybe coz it was a crit?

[lunar dirge]

I'm getting jumped

I'm getting jjk special treatment

[worthy knoll]

....my shame.. just pretend you saw nothing

[glad meteor]

2 opponents to hit later, wins?

[velvet sky]

they do appear once in 100 years but overall have to tag them

[lunar dirge]

nice

looks spammable enough

[glad meteor]

Their blanc is later though, hoping nuke kills, don’t know if it’s emi 21, mpriv bursts later so I didn’t use her

[wild patio]

You are my specialz

[spiral onyx]

Remember, the true meta change happens when we can start building bruiser teams because cleave teams stop working

27% damage reduction from cube and dolls is the biggest fundamental meta change to PvP since launch

We just aren't seeing it yet cause things are new and dolls require heavy investment

This effectively shifts the priority away from 1 trick ponies and towards sustained damage

Of which right now there is only SAnis, Scarlet, Ein, Red Hood, and Alice

But all of these except for SAnis have single target sustained damage

So they can be taunted

Oh, Scalter too, but also same issue of being taunted (and hard countered by OG Sakura)

[worthy knoll]

Can smol white be counted as a bruiser?

[glad meteor]

Ludmilla can get like 84.36% dr with s2+cube+doll in full burst, I feel like she could take single target dps in the right setup

[worthy knoll]

Was thinking maybe a B1/XAnne/Smol white/some gen/ludmilla can be a 5th team

[tiny scroll]

What do you recommend I run on defense for SP and Rookie please.

[rich fiber]

The Prydwen guide seems to imply that Laplace+ has a charge speed to burst gen breakpoint similar to Emilia's 21% charge speed. I've never seen it mentioned here, so I am assuming this is false?

[glad meteor]

🐳 rocks

Emi is easier to get 21% because of cs on skill1

You only need like 8% with emi because of skill 1

Laplace you need 21

[velvet sky]

wrote down in death note counters against all 3 whales before starting being confused who is who & what goes where
okay good

there are also some enemies from d1 but they’re not worthy of writing them down bc ez to beat

but whales can confuse me bc they all have similar teams

[worthy knoll]

All RLs can be like Emi21% at 21% OL charge speed not just Laplace. Its just Emi just need 8% CS on OL and max skill 1, while other RLs need the same 21% CS on OLs..

well you actually just need a total 16.66%+ and not 21% since its 16.66% x 3 is 50%, means 3 RL shots in 2.5 RL time. Emi is 21 coz her initial shot (no skill bonus) is just 8% CS.. so its 8%+21%+21% = 50%

[spiral onyx]

Damage too low and slow

[worthy knoll]

I know it needs 30 hits but well she still kinda like a bruiser.. maybe if get treasure and increased in damage and cut the requirement to 10 she'll be good to use 🤔

[lone sequoia]

nihilister treasure first

[spiral onyx]

Bruisers are usually tanky units

[glad meteor]

Got a 1.7 mil non crit against sanis with bsoda which I think is pretty good at my synchro, might invest in burst for specialise nuking

[spiral onyx]

Smolwhte might be an AoE sustain unit like Modernia

But not a Bruiser in that sense

[worthy knoll]

Mmh umu so bruisers need to be tanky.. mmh though I don't think Scalter counts as tanky either

[lone sequoia]

isabel treasure, she get more stats/effects per full burst"

[spiral onyx]

No, the true bruiser candidates we have are SAnis, 2B, and Kilo

2B is hard countered by Rosanna

Kilo is fragile due to her shield being easily popped

[worthy knoll]

Guess still no SAnis tier yet

[lone sequoia]

kilo need a shield buffer at the start of the fight?

[glad meteor]

She starts with her unique shield, just can’t let it be destroyed

[lone sequoia]

nero*

[spiral onyx]

The main thing right now is that if you run Moran + damage reduction cube + 15 doll, that's 62% damage reduction

That's 260% eHP

[worthy knoll]

That 3 RL value of Emi21 is wrong

[spiral onyx]

Which effectively kills cleave teams

[rich fiber]

Ty @glad meteor @worthy knoll @worn field

[lone sequoia]

ludmilla still take damage at that point?

[glad meteor]

Is it lower or higher?

[worthy knoll]

Should be same as 2.5 RL

It would be correct though if its Emi 28.3%

Well its 28.25% I just round it up. 15.25+28.25+28.25+28.25 = 100%

So if does 4 RL in 3 RL time

Emi21 4th RL shot is at 3.29 RL time.. yeah close but you can't call it exactly 3 RL

We did already before right? Then I remember you guys pass it around then end up mentioning Gatrix has the last ball

[spiral onyx]

I have no idea where you guys got 21% from lol

My calculations were based off 8%

I did it independently

[coarse lake]

keripo, do you how how well double buff indom ein does against god comps? your matrix sheet says ein would lose?

21% is the total CS I believe

includes S1

[spiral onyx]

Here's the math

[worthy knoll]

8+21+21 = 50% mean its faster than 0.5 RL than usual

[spiral onyx]

I did math later that day to get the second 24.7% break point

[glad meteor]

@/zixk is 3rd and 4th slide ok?

[spiral onyx]

Exactly what the matrix shows

As always, your mileage may vary

[coarse lake]

so ein indom doesn't really offer that much from scarlet indom?

I was hoping it would let ein beat biscuit-less noah sustain comps

[worthy knoll]

I had the math here too for the 4 RL shots in 3 RL time

[spiral onyx]

A 0LB 4/4/4 Unit A ain't gonna magically beat a C7 10/10/10 Unit B just because the spreadsheet says so

[coarse lake]

my ein is higher invest than scarlet, does that change anything

[spiral onyx]

You do the math lol

[coarse lake]

how do they compare at similar invest though, do you have a vid of ein against god comp by any chance?

[spiral onyx]

At one point probably

Ive recorded like a few thousand videos

I don't keep em around. Zixk might

[coarse lake]

I did find a 1/1/1 single buffed ein vid of zixk's against bscar god

.

[worthy knoll]

For 3 RL in 2 RL time Emi its

1-x+2(1-x-.1301) = 2
1 - x + 2 - 2x -.2602 = 2
3x = 3-2-.2602
3x = 0.7399
x = 24.663%
x ~= 24.67% (in OL + cube)

[glad meteor]

I had games where I mirrored enemy gen, but because I burst when emi hits, instead of when team reaches RL breakpoint, I burst faster making it more… complicated

[worthy knoll]

Just same formula here, but replace left multipier and right 3 with 2

[coarse lake]

is this when trying to make a team slower than 3RL

[kindred moth]

🤔

[glad meteor]

I think making 2.5 or 3 RL emi

[coarse lake]

if you make a team that just barely is 3RL, that shouldn't be an issue

feed could also cause an issue if it's that

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

i w-

[pastel narwhal]

[kindred moth]

is good?

3 RL

[coarse lake]

if rosanna is high invest, yes

[kindred moth]

🤔

ok

[glad meteor]

Yh, also had a lot of cs on the team but now it’s gone, will see if there’s any changes when I test with new comps

[worthy knoll]

Well if we really want a universal formula

(1-x) + m(1-x-y) = n

Where
x = total CS OL in decimal
y = Emi skill 1 CS in decimal
m = (number of RL hits done - 1)
n = RL time used to do m+1

[kindred moth]

do you have to calculate so much

[worthy knoll]

Nah you don't

Just explaining how Emi21 [Emi(x+y)] came to be

[fiery walrus]

Which of the top two teams would be a better setup? I also have all my other characters here for suggestions if I should change the teams but not many of them have been invested in, I'm not really sure what to do for team 3.

[keen vapor]

We have 3 SSR

[glad meteor]

Red hood off burst is wasted, and laplace burst is bad in pvp. Someone might be around to cook sp def

[coarse lake]

what skill invest is your ein

[fiery walrus]

just 4/4/4 she does have a purple doll though just not leveled

[coarse lake]

is laplace treasured

[fiery walrus]

yeah she is on the second tier of it

[coarse lake]

does that include her s2

like do you have the upgraded s2 or nah

[fiery walrus]

yeah

her s2 and burst

[coarse lake]

what skill invest is alice

[kindred moth]

🤔

[fiery walrus]

6/4/5

she has 1 ov thats meh

[coarse lake]

what about poli

[fiery walrus]

she is only 1/1/1

[coarse lake]

ssakura?

[fiery walrus]

5/6/6 no ov gear

[coarse lake]

bsoda?

[kindred moth]

There are too few nikke 😂

I don't know how to help

[fiery walrus]

4/4/4 with no ov

yeah I dont have any of the good pvp pilgrims

aside from red hood

[coarse lake]

maiden?

[fiery walrus]

4/4/1 with no ov

[coarse lake]

srosanna?

[fiery walrus]

4/4/4 with no ov

[kindred moth]

🤔

[fiery walrus]

I was thinking of this but my investment into laplace is way higher than redhood so the difference in cp is really big

[coarse lake]

what's your cp with these 2 teams:
Moran/Biscuit/Sanis/Laplace/Anis
Blanc/Bsoda/RH/Centi/Tia

[fiery walrus]

I dont have centi

[coarse lake]

[spiral onyx]

My practical realization was that there isn't really any team comp which could properly take advantage of this and justify the ~200 rocks usage over using them to reroll charge speed/etc on a bunch of other units

[kindred moth]

Another 1-2 months You probably have more.

👍

[spiral onyx]

24.7% only impacts 2RL values, not 2.5/3/3.5

[fiery walrus]

I can only pray I have gotten only 6 pilgrims so far and two of those were dups into crown and haran

[kindred moth]

When you have a lot it's easy to form a team.

[fiery walrus]

would this work for now?

[coarse lake]

Moran/Biscuit/Sanis/Laplace/Anis
Maiden/Blanc/RH/Tia/Jackal (Make sure maiden and rh are the 2 highest atk)
Noise/Crown/Pepper/Bsoda/Alice

[fiery walrus]

is that the order that I should line them up in also?

[worthy knoll]

Whiff protection for 2 RL teams: oh no an RL whiffed, but no worries, Emi got you covered, we have an extra icicle from her and its still on 2 RL

[kindred moth]

should Privaty Sanis ?

[coarse lake]

sure

[fiery walrus]

my sanis is level 9 burst so I think she is fine alone

[coarse lake]

you don't use priv with sanis in pvp

[worthy knoll]

Against A2 when attacking she is good to use. She stalls bursted A2 for 3 seconds, SAnis damaging her with an S2 every 2 ammo during that time while passing time for her hp to lower itself too while she is stunned

Twas my cope back then against Noah A2(max core) bursting with SAnis failed but bursting with Privaty succeeded

[coarse lake]

oh true, but that's a very niche situation, and a splash RL can usually do the same job if A2 is positioned incorrectly

[worthy knoll]

Well back then we don't have Emi

[coarse lake]

now we don't have a2 either for newer players

or emi for super new players

[worthy knoll]

[coarse lake]

collab being the main source for splash rls gonna suck

watch rei be another splash rl

[worthy knoll]

I'm not so familiar with the lore, but i remember they use some kind of big mechs.. wonder if they'll give them weapon and skills matching their mech

Well we do have Kilo inside Talos

[coarse lake]

rei has a thingy sorta like rem/laplace

so could be either mg or rl

[worthy knoll]

Kinda counter productive if we see them inside their machines.. no human backs but a shaking mech..

[coarse lake]

nah they won't be in mech

they'll be in their skin-tight suits

[worthy knoll]

Yeah, just said it'll be counter productive if they make them similar to Kilo. Collab but no jiggle. So they definitely won't do that

[pastel narwhal]

was going to test my attacker if he can actually beat #1 in my bracket so im going to try copying #1's teams ... but this one is so sus... what're the chances noise will die in 3rl?

[coarse lake]

core 2 noise? eh....

full SG team might do it

[pastel narwhal]

looks back at his teams , looks like he has max core noise lol

he probably has SR dolls too and mine has R, probably won't work

oh w8, ther'es noah to back her up to soak some of that dmg hmmm ...

[coarse lake]

if they have same CS, noise should still keep taunt

[pastel narwhal]

my noise has only one cs line, my noah has 3 cs lines

oh well, trying it now before he wakes up
if this wins, good
if not, maybe it'll embolden my guy to switch targets to the top

[coarse lake]

your p1 noise will still have taunt

[pastel narwhal]

so noise should have more cs? not much i can do though, not enough rocks and she's low priority right now

[coarse lake]

optimally they both should have 0 cs

but if you want p4 noah to get aggro, noise needs more cs

[normal rover]

Could I have some recommendations for sp defense?

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-bwoi-grin-chef-gif-18525191

[polar echo]

Hello all, my curent teams for SP defense date from 3 months ago and they served me quite well, but since then I got a few more Nikkes that appear to be part of the pvp meta and was wondering how I could improve on that:
SP (DEF)
Poli/Rapunzel/Scarlet/Anis/Noir
Blanc/Emilia/Pepper/Biscuit/Laplace
Noise/Tia/Alice//Neon/Viper

[spiral onyx]

Rei should be a defender per lore

They will probably make Asuka the attacker and Mari the support

Mari actually is a better attacker per lore but their roles in story is Mari is a support

Reminder why Mari is best girl
https://youtu.be/THbwj1EzqLg?si=6tqzx5rIKzsESZdL

[pastel narwhal]

if Mari is now SSR, will there be an SR

[spiral onyx]

In terms of weapons, Unit 00 (Rei) used a sniper rifle, Unit 02 (Asuka/Mari) used a rocket launcher, Unit 05 (Mari) uses the lance, Unit 08 (Mari) uses a sniper rifle

[lone sequoia]

water RL defender with true damage

[spiral onyx]

Would be nice if everyone were SR and RL but I am gonna bet Nikke writers aren't gonna gaf and are gonna pick random weapons just like they did with Nier

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-misato-misato-katsuragi-gif-9733913891970119977

She's not a combatant though so maybe not

[lone sequoia]

how old was that misato version?

[pastel narwhal]

i don't get the collab story anymore, did they even explain how humans in collabs could survive a single rapture attack?

[lone sequoia]

let gatekeeper cook

but people said that the ark was a simulation

[pastel narwhal]

[lone sequoia]

maybe we get that cube or pillar and get a imaginary" eva

[pastel narwhal]

maybe that AT field protects them now or something, i forgot the plot

but it could all just be gatekeeper magic

[lone sequoia]

the ramiel version on the video looks like it was made with the same cube in the crystal region

10min*

[pastel narwhal]

eh, my guinea pig is late.. he not gonna atk today?

[lone sequoia]

reset*

[pastel narwhal]

eh.. no attacks, maybe he did attack #1

oh wells , now gimme rocks

[glad meteor]

Was going to take cs off my sanis but it was max ammo roll

Not today it seems

[pastel narwhal]

wew 1 rock

[glad meteor]

Same

[copper creek]

wtf? 2x nothing + 1x worthless?

[lone sequoia]

2rocks

[copper creek]

game? are you kidding me?

[pastel narwhal]

okaayyy... so I copied #1's teams and turns out he really couldn't understand it, so it's not a investment thing afterall

[copper creek]

whats the def team in question here? 😂

[pastel narwhal]

Noise sbs lap+ noah anis
Bisc rapu sanis boda drake
Scar centi emilia redh jackal

[copper creek]

gotchu ty

ooo interesting

[pastel narwhal]

he likes weird builds , esp the sanis one, but i think i see how it works

[copper creek]

idk... i feel like i know exactly what i'd do against that

but then again if it works it works

[pastel narwhal]

yeah, noise is sus

maybe #3 just don't know how to handle non meta teams

[copper creek]

idk theres like

[kindred moth]

😱

[glad meteor]

Bsoda drake with ele lines could cause trouble to someone struggling with the concept of target skipping and stuff

[copper creek]

i feel like theres a lot of ways to deal w this lmao

[glad meteor]

Depending on roster, sometimes it’s hard to jackal link the right characters and keep cp

[pastel narwhal]

my guy just doesn't understand kinnky weird stuff , or just pvp basics

I'll keep swapping to #1's teams until he learns something, and when he eventually wins I'd pretty much taught him how to take #1

[lone sequoia]

T1 SG+rosanna...any team core
T2 rosanna or scarlet team
T3 noah or blanc if low synchro or biscuit

[pastel narwhal]

yeah, it can be taken down, but i have no strategic interest in taking #1 though

[kindred moth]

🤔

[lone sequoia]

to check damage, no?

[pastel narwhal]

mmmm not that interested in testing stuff at the moment, plus there's #3 pestering me since he can't beat #1

[drifting hazel]

Is it better to get 3/3 than 2/3 in SA PvP?

Like do I get more points?

[pastel narwhal]

wins?

[drifting hazel]

Yes

[pastel narwhal]

no, i don't think so

feels good when you win 3/3 though

[kindred moth]

🤔

[drifting hazel]

Well, would I win against this team?

[unique wagon]

No idea.

[drifting hazel]

I lost🗿

[unique wagon]

Did you record it

[drifting hazel]

Some how my weakest team beat the team I wasn’t expecting

No, I quick battle. My main lost to their main team

So I 1/3🗿

I just need more level imo

[polar echo]

FYI, you can always rewatch replays even from quick battles

[drifting hazel]

It’s probably his rep and Noah that clutch him

[pastel narwhal]

never used a kilo before, i thought her shield is fragile

[misty drum]

need new sp arena def team with jackal

current teams:
crown/laplace/drake/redhood/maiden - 4RL
centi/noir/ssakura/blanc/noise - 3RL
naga/anis/sanis/biscuit/moran - 4RL

[drifting hazel]

Is this a good team🫥

[pastel narwhal]

just leave your roster sorted by power in horizontal mode, someone will tag and cook for you here

[drifting hazel]

My first team is Crown/liter/RH/Mod/Rep

[copper creek]

someone = zixk

[pastel narwhal]

^ don't select any unit , just the whole thing

[pastel narwhal]

too drunk to cook i see

[copper creek]

no not about drunk

i will not cook for pubs any more lol

[pastel narwhal]

huh when did that happen

[glad meteor]

[copper creek]

a long while now lol

i might just help now and then, but a lot less lol

[pastel narwhal]

what about rosy?

[copper creek]

i think he still does yea but hes not around at this time

[pastel narwhal]

hmm naruhodo

[copper creek]

but yea i think its just not worth the time to keep on cooking for pubs

zixk has far more patience than i do lol

[pastel narwhal]

oh wells, i thought you guys enjoyed it, kind of like building decks in magic the gathering

[copper creek]

especially now when we are testing CA teams and writing pvp guide

[coarse lake]

[umbral crown]

Triple banner, wallet gonna cry with this collab. Tryin to max them + skin , hope they are good pvp chars

[coarse lake]

tbh after a while you don't get much out of it

[copper creek]

i hope they are NOT good in pvp lmao
so we can save

[drifting hazel]

I’ll just main I’m Asuka

[glad meteor]

If you’re attacking, gotta see what the other teams are first

[copper creek]

this is one thing, but its also just too many people testing my patience tbh 🤣

[drifting hazel]

It’s for defense

[pastel narwhal]

I won't cook CA yet, just waiting for news how it'll go

[copper creek]

just for fun -
a legendary bartender is coming from tokyo to do a guest shift here

ive already been peer pressured to promise to do every single drink on that night's menu...

• this announcement... its just rip my money

[misty drum]

so because jackal shares dmg with 2 highest atk units, ur dps should be p1 and p5 on jackal teams?

[copper creek]

it depends

in most cases 3 relevant units should be in p1/p2/p5

[misty drum]

gotcha

[copper creek]

u can and probably should just try casually putting teams together

[umbral crown]

We gonna eat white rice with water for a month

[copper creek]

maybe not serious theorycrafting like what keripo and zixk are doing, but just throw some ideas together and explore it a bit

u immediately realise that trying to assemble 5 teams is not funny lmao

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

hell na, im f2p in this game 🤣

[pastel narwhal]

i expect the 5th to be the problem... unless Eva collab shows us something good

[umbral crown]

Bad time to be F2P

[copper creek]

tbh if units suck i'll just skip ez

cuz ive never watched eva before and i probably never will so no fomo here

[umbral crown]

1 copy and you are done

[copper creek]

0 copy is fine w me too if the unit is bad enough

[drifting hazel]

Unless you that hoony

[pastel narwhal]

same, 1 copy is enuff

[umbral crown]

I have not watched it neither

[copper creek]

if there is kiss x sis collab on the other hand i'd be all over it

[pastel narwhal]

there's an eva movie that's a full recap of the past episodes if you want to catch up

[umbral crown]

Whats the name

[pastel narwhal]

i forgot it's name

[copper creek]

probs not.... no time @@

im old and washed up already... cant keep up with all that young kid stuff

[pastel narwhal]

based on google 'Evangelion : you are (not) alone' - i think

[lone sequoia]

mlb as f2p or mlb as no f2p or just not mlb...

[keen vapor]

I did watched the original Evangelion anime

Is good

The movies.... I hate those

[velvet sky]

okay time to get my rocks SURELY TODAY

[lone sequoia]

to me the movies are like a second season

[velvet sky]

YES

[pastel narwhal]

curse broken

[velvet sky]

now to beat whales in sp

o pilgrim mold tomorrow

[lone sequoia]

rh time

[misty drum]

ight lmk if i burnt the kitchen but i think i swap crown for naga in team 1 to make it 3.5 RL and then put crown in team 3 and jackal over anis.

[velvet sky]

or at least 1 scarlet dupe bc she literally doesn’t exist

[lone sequoia]

sbs or og?

[velvet sky]

og

[lone sequoia]

time to get the scarlet/bay combo at high synchro

[velvet sky]

me looking at all them c3 scarlets & i don’t even have mlb not even a single dupe

yeah one of the whales jumped me while i was in shower

bruh wth happened that cursed scar t2 is cursed again

[lone sequoia]

??

[velvet sky]

stable before team flopped

[fast harness]

I'm going to take this sentence at face value and ignore the context

[velvet sky]

pls not there too

[lunar pawn]

any sp arena defense suggestions? trying to update it a bit, my defense always loses vs this guy who's like 20 levels above me

this is what I'm running atm (laplace has her fav item maxed) + roster of leveled units

[polar echo]

So, I'm planning on giving this a shot, opinions?
SP (DEF)
Noise/Pepper/Scarlet/Emilia/Noah (219K)
Blanc/Alice/Rapunzel/Biscuit/Crown (259K)
Litter/Naga/Laplace/Doro/Anis (271K)
Full roster : #pvp-arena message

[lone sequoia]

i have been with the same teams for like +9months

[lunar pawn]

and I've been with the same guy since day 1

[lone sequoia]

yeah, your friend"

[lunar pawn]

k, now cook me smth

[lone sequoia]

teams against 1 person take me too much time

[lunar pawn]

I can wait

[lone sequoia]

T1 is ok if scarlet have damage
T2 too slow
T3 also slow
depends on your synchro and average for your bracket, if you have like +20% power in every team you will be fine
you can make other teams or swap some units only to keep the power range like: crownT2-doro or liter T3

[queen lintel]

Been a little bit so I'm back to ask for some help for SP Arena ATK and DEF squads. I still don't have Biscuit but got a few more units and also am working on Laplace and Diesel's Favorite Items if that helps them fit anywhere.

I know ATK squads can be changed to counter but I'd just like 3 'good' default teams that I can then try and work with until I need to counter something.

[polar echo]

Scarlet is 10/4/7 and 5/5/5/0 with 3 elemental lines, but the average CP in my bracket is 250K, so I'm barely hanging there ^^; I don't see who else I could subsitute for my CP padders (crown, doro and litter)

[velvet sky]

@worthy knoll now we have problems with that previous whale’s cursed ros t2 again it was stable before but now it’s rng again

[polar echo]

How about Noir instead of Crown in T2? It "only" drops the team down to 229K

[lone sequoia]

then try those teams, you can always come back here and ask for suggestions

[lone sequoia]

more burst gen+atk buff from S1

[inner scroll]

Damn. Thanks for the team build suggestions. This is great to see.

[polar echo]

sorry, I dont understand :(

[velvet sky]

now it worked when i put sanis on p5 istg i hate this cursed t2

[polar echo]

Crown skill one is a better atk buff and thus it helps more the team than Noir's ?

[umbral crown]

So similar with the collab name

[lone sequoia]

noir have more burst generation" (clip SG) and her skill 1 give atk(%units stats) buff to the team, fine if you change crown with her

[polar echo]

gotcha, thanks :)

[velvet sky]

guess I’ll have to start fixing scalter OLs bc not a single atk or ele line there & crawl to b10 from b7

[lone sequoia]

crown S1 give atk to the units in the burst chain, now her problem in that team is the burst gen, you already use liter and doro- smg/ar those weapons have low burst generation so you will never be able to burst

[umbral crown]

[polar echo]

Swapped Litter for M.Priv

WOOOHOOOOOO

However I'm not getting any higher, P1 is a monster ^^:

[lunar dirge]

a meh monster

[polar echo]

compared to the rest of my server

[lone sequoia]

2 wins and c1

[lunar dirge]

i have 2 of them

choose which 1 to throw hands with

[velvet sky]

that monya continues to whale

[lunar dirge]

535 now

[lone sequoia]

we can use summer neon next UR"

[polar echo]

my condolences

[lunar dirge]

top 3 is cpgapper and top 4 is pvp crackhead

[lunar dirge]

replace shield gremlin with alice and you'll get me

[tawny vine]

you got sbs i thought you'd get the rabbit by now

[lunar dirge]

some things never change

[tawny vine]

if it's any consolation i'm still like 40 days away from getting enough skill books to finish my alice after getting her 2 months ago lmao

[lunar dirge]

as long as s1 is lvl 10,you can use her as a crack for sbs

[polar echo]

The only thing missing for my Alice is a T9M armor :(

[fast harness]

How long you been playing? I started new years this year and still don't have her as well

[polar echo]

She's my only "top" nikke that isn't full T9M

[lunar dirge]

8 month,during xmas event

[fast harness]

Close enough to my time, we shall suffer together for now

[lunar dirge]

"suffering builds character"

[raven sparrow]

does anyone know how i'm supposed to beat this? seems like their moran never dies and i just... can't out last it

they seem to just... heal... and heal... and heal...

[lone sequoia]

just nuke them

[raven sparrow]

i dont have any of the big nukers i dont think, no scarlet, no sbs, no rh, no blanc, no drake, no summer anis

[tawny vine]

emilia?

[raven sparrow]

not sure what to nuke with

[raven sparrow]

started 2 months ago, eva will be my first collab so no collab chars

[lone sequoia]

maid privaty, bsoda?

[raven sparrow]

dont have either but currently on wish list 😦

[lone sequoia]

time to use SG team

full SG and speed

[raven sparrow]

should i post my sad box? 😅

[lone sequoia]

if you want

[raven sparrow]

i'm not sure what with this i can beat it with, can't burst down that moran with all that healing and ive tried a few different things

i need someone like scarlet, don't i?

[lone sequoia]

you can try maiden/noir/srosanna/centi/jackal

or privaty/noir/viper/sugar/jackal (privaty linked)

[raven sparrow]

okay i'll give it a try tomorrow if hte defense is still the same

thank you

[velvet sky]

man ele dmg gives A LOT fr she was like 77k before

[raven sparrow]

gotta copy it down to my notepad file

[coarse lake]

I need treasure lappy so badly

[lone sequoia]

wait to CA

[raven sparrow]

quick question, what does "privaty linked" mean?

[trail inlet]

jackal hp link

jackal passive links hp with 2 highest atk units

[raven sparrow]

ahh okay thank you

i didnt realize that, only just got her a couple days ago

sounds really good for anti burst and anti scarlet then

always bursts down my sakura -_-;

previously my workaround for scarlet was biscuit and a tank lol

this hsould make it even easier to deal with

[umbral crown]

Same

[umbral crown]

No need to wait

Everyone needs to treasure her with or without C.a

[lone sequoia]

if they have mats to SR15 is ok, but a really bad decision if they go 10 by 10

[umbral crown]

but thats how we all upgrade

10 by 10 unless you whale the kit packs

[velvet sky]

[lone sequoia]

just reset dispatch and wait

[lone sequoia]

when 2 pages?

[umbral crown]

[velvet sky]

I’ll run out of gems at 2 pages

[median dock]

Best defense teams I can make? (sp arena)

[velvet sky]

if anti-ros team continues being rng that is

[lone sequoia]

jackal feed rng

[velvet sky]

when 3 whales have more attempts than poor one me

[median dock]

Some muppet attacked me 7 times yesterday

[velvet sky]

have to suffer until b10 scarbs

[trail inlet]

SP-Def :
scarlet/RH/noir/drake/jackal
noah/noise/sanis/biscuit/anis(pls synchro)
bscar/blanc/centi/pepper/sugar
^ Standard 3 team def, sanis and bscar can be interchanged

OR

scarlet/Blanc/RH/centi/jackal
noah/noise/bscar/biscuit/anis
CP gap team (5 highest CP units)
^ if cp gap team is high enough cp (>20% cp diff), forces out a biscuit which the other 2 teams are countered by

Min. invest :
s.anis - 7/7/9 (min.) // 10/10/9 (ideal)
s.anis - resilience cube
Bscar - 7/4/7 (min) // 10/4/10 (ideal)

I do not advise running def teams on atk:
Atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[median dock]

Oh yeah idrc about attacking I'm just tryna wall some mf that keeps hitting me

[trail inlet]

you can swap between the 2 teams if he wins against one of them

[median dock]

Alr

[worthy knoll]

Mmh do you think you still need Emi for T1?

Mmh, cp wise only SAnis and Rosanna can replace

Bg wise, Centi but she's so far down the cp ladder

[worthy lake]

Hi all, my attack comp okay?

[worthy knoll]

I think for your T2, Noise Rapu Jackal Emi Noah might be much more stable for you

[trail inlet]

SP-Def :
blanc/emilia/RH/pepper/centi
noah/rapunzel/sanis/bsoda/tia
scarlet/noir/crown/drake/jackal

Min. invest :
s.anis - 7/7/9 (min.) // 10/10/9 (ideal)
s.anis - resilience cube

please include in your wishlist:
tetra - Noise
tetra -biscuit

I do not advise running def teams on atk:
Atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[trail inlet]

scarjack t2 not ideal to attack with sanis

[worthy lake]

Any replacement ?

[trail inlet]

t1: skip
t2: noah/anis/bscar/rapunzel/centi
t3: blanc/emilia/RH/biscuit/jackal

[worthy lake]

Sanis change to sbs ok?

[worthy lake]

Alright

[trail inlet]

yeah basically if t2 is too low cp

just switch sanis to bscar should be ok

t3 should ez win

but t2 is a 2RL team cuz enemy t2 has 0 indom/invul mechanics

and dont need biscuit on t2

[worthy lake]

Enemy 30% deficit

[trail inlet]

pog should be ok then

[worthy lake]

If I just replace sbs only

[trail inlet]

as long as you have no sg/lmg/ar/smg

[queen lintel]

I don't have biscuit :[

[trail inlet]

edited

[worthy knoll]

I don't think 30% deficit is okay on a Biscuitless team to protect Noah

[worthy lake]

Thanks its a easy win

[worthy knoll]

Or did I read the in reverse

Ahh so he was the one advantage

[trail inlet]

yeh as long as your sanis doesnt feed scarjack that team doesnt get to 2RL and your sanis doesnt die

tbf bscar only counter is biscuit + taunter

[worthy lake]

Thanks , okay

[trail inlet]

i replaced sanis in my team with bscar cuz too many people with scarjack in my bracket

[worthy lake]

In what circumstances we use sanis ?

[trail inlet]

biscuit + noah

[worthy lake]

As in attacking

[worthy lake]

I see

[trail inlet]

sanis destroys that team cuz her s2 hits noah + highest atk unit

so after both noah burst sanis just destroys

but sanis is bad against scarjack

cuz feed + dies before burst

so if you see scarjack without biscuit just switch sanis for bscar and ez win

[worthy lake]

Alright I see I see

[keen vapor]

[trail inlet]

but if there is biscuit just skip lmao

too many s tier units in the same team

[worthy knoll]

Not really with the doll update. Specially if its a linked SAnis. Scarlet nowadays is lacking damage

[trail inlet]

yeah but feed 3RL -> 2RL not ideal

[worthy lake]

You mean scarjack biscuit in 1 team

[trail inlet]

yup

[worthy lake]

[trail inlet]

better off fighting other teams cuz biscuit is too op

if they wanna waste it on a scarjack then they throwing

okies i go shower brb

[worthy knoll]

Against team earlier it won't. I mean even this was faster than the team earlier coz Noah and Centi instead of XAnne Rapu.. but it couldn't make much a dent on SAnis

[rich quail]

Can somebody help me analyze my loss

Sorry for fps quality… my iPhone 12 not liking life rn

My Emil (team 3) shot got blocked

I was surprised rh bursted instead of Emil (opponent)

[worthy knoll]

Scarlet nowadays hit like a wet noodle, need to be at least triple buffed just to deal a lot of damage.

[glad meteor]

P2 residual, emi + rh(elemental) biscuit dead so s2 didn’t proc

[rich quail]

I wish I saw this advice earlier…

[rich quail]

Aw man… I don’t understand why residual screws things up

[glad meteor]

Yep, it’s the bane of enjoying the game mode

[rich quail]

I’m wondering if I should have taken on t1 instead

[velvet sky]

alr tried before with centi instead while malding today, not as good as with emi but still works

[worthy knoll]

Did T2 work now tho?

[glad meteor]

I think I switch the team to noah/viper/biscuit/sanis/rh

[worthy knoll]

Its a sign to increase your Centi CP

[rich quail]

@glad meteor my Viper is basically base stats… haven’t built her

I can show box if u want

I just want to learn from today because I will take this guy down eventually

pls help me

[glad meteor]

That’s just me personally, to guarantee safety. Viper is just there so rh and rl can hit in to p1 noah while p3,4,5 is safe

[keen vapor]

Me with "Sin"

[rich quail]

my box

[worthy knoll]

That team earlier, one SAnis is not enough to feed them to 2 RL too

[rich quail]

You got a bully as well?

This is one of my many

[keen vapor]

Not really a bully

He's someone that always stays in diamond 1, and well, I like to not annoy the same person everyday so I try to take new challenges

[rich quail]

I’ll try to develop Viper later, when I get my defense/support units to OL+0

I didn’t know Viper did more than burst gen in pvp

[rich quail]

That’s what I am doing too
He knocked me down to d2 this morning, I tried to hit back but lost

Will lick my wounds but I’ll remember him down the road

[glad meteor]

She doesn’t, checked with calc, you can use any non defender b2 with noah update

[coarse lake]

oh boy

treasure lappy time, 15% gold super success super early

[rich quail]

Hi Eon

[keen vapor]

power unlocked

[velvet sky]

I’ll try noise/jackal/rapu/emi/gremlin next time for now tossed sanis on p5 & it kinda worked again

[glad meteor]

Noah/x/emi/rh/biscuit

[worthy knoll]

You can't keep playing this russian roulette game forever tho

Well maybe it'll be stable now with SAnis so far from their normal atks

[velvet sky]

scarbs now has 85+k cp instead of 77k will tinker again later to squeeze more cp from lines but still b7

[glad meteor]

Their emi whiffed twice, I don’t trust anything

[trail inlet]

welp i dont have/fight a lot of scarlets so i wouldnt know xd

[rich quail]

Yeah… I’m not even sure if this was the right matchup to tackle, because Noah/Biscuit/RH/Emi is hard for me to figure out how to counter

[keen vapor]

This guy is strangely fast maybe Scarlet/Blanc/Rapu/Liter/Jackal makes it

Emilia doesn't works cuz Jackal ended with Indom bc of some healing of Rapunzel

[trail inlet]

but i think just for helping other people who dont have sanis SR doll or jackal link i think just switching to bscar is more consistent :p

[trail inlet]

whats your attack comp

[worthy knoll]

Your Biscuit died, that is why you lost.

[keen vapor]

I just mentioned, used Emilia (keeping Rapunzel but bursting with Liter)

[rich quail]

[glad meteor]

It should be fine to mirror and switch emi and rh, but whiffing and residual just make it a little …

[coarse lake]

yeah you need biscuit in p4 or p5 if dealing with off-dps emilia and you can't kill them asap

it's why bscar is so good, absolute best at killing unprotected off-dps

although bscar doesn't work in your situation kek

[keen vapor]

Ah
Second proc of skill 1

[coarse lake]

go with indom emilia

[worthy knoll]

Bscar won't work on that tho

[coarse lake]

your scarlet team doesn't need blanc there

[worthy knoll]

Ahh you said it first

[rich quail]

I remember a few weeks ago, I had a match that had Noah/Biscuit, Biscuit was not on p2… p2 died

Someone recommended that I put Biscuit in p2 because they told me it was okay if Biscuit died… forgot why they said that

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

usually it's ok since emilia would normally nuke right after noah invuln wears off

[rich quail]

But that was my mentality putting Biscuit in p2 in that situation

[coarse lake]

but your biscuit already took too much splash dmg, so died quite fast

[glad meteor]

They probably assumed that as long as biscuit s2 proc’d once it’s fine

[coarse lake]

oh nvm, it's not that

[trail inlet]

its fast cuz your liter + blanc is jackal feeding

[coarse lake]

you would have won actually, but their noah blocked your emi lol

if they didn't block it, you would have nuked them before your noah died

[keen vapor]

What else I use

[trail inlet]

no noah?

[worthy knoll]

You just need protect the defender Pre burst
Biscuit is fine to die

You need Biscuit to protect the defender for so long. You should keep her away from the defender taunter

[keen vapor]

No

[trail inlet]

noah just straight up beats that comp

[rich quail]

Yeah I saw that
I thought the timing was there too

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

enemy team is roughly 1RL slower, that's the problem lol

[worthy knoll]

Like in Ely's case for the CP gapped T1, that is a scenario where Biscuit is fine to die

[rich quail]

I need to learn rl calculations

[glad meteor]

Emi whiffed twice, it should be 3rl

[coarse lake]

make sure the calc you're using is up to date with dual weapon fix

[rich quail]

I need to find something that actually allows me to use the calculator

I have an iPhone, it no likey the calculator on browser

[coarse lake]

ah I saw

[glad meteor]

I use the sheets app personally

[keen vapor]

[trail inlet]

same :o

[coarse lake]

lol their emilia had target issue and aimed at your emilia, who had enough CS to make enemy emilia miss

[rich quail]

Google Sheets?

ok I dl

[trail inlet]

sounds like a skill issue

[coarse lake]

just go with blanc emilia setup tbh

even if they block it, emilia should be able to finish them off with autos

your scar team doesn't need blanc

[rich quail]

Yeah, I think in this case Blanc would have allowed me to go slower to go past Noah shield

[coarse lake]

even if they block it, blanc indom means you still kill them, they were very low hp when the nuke got blocked

although if target issue happens again, you might get mis-indom

[keen vapor]

Not when 50 level diff

[rich quail]

Fix yo game Shift Up

[trail inlet]

small indie company bro

[coarse lake]

core dust issue

[rich quail]

Not anymore they big now

[coarse lake]

for a mis-indom resistant team, I run Blanc/Emilia/Crown/Biscuit/Rapunzel btw

[worthy knoll]

Well imo, if you know its RH bursting instead of Emilia, should make some team that caters to their weakness.. like a Moran Pepper(or some good gen B1 filler) SAnis Biscuit Emi should work just fine against that too, Noah Noise Biscuit SAnis Rapu just the same

[trail inlet]

its sarcasm

[coarse lake]

emilia squishier than biscuit, so no matter if they target p1, p2, or p3, emilia still gets indom

[keen vapor]

Just two games ... I mean 3

[velvet sky]

after all my malding against whales came to conclusion that blanc emi can nuke noah emi but only with jackal on p5

[rich quail]

Thank you @glad meteor @coarse lake @worthy knoll for the advice

I think I need to learn more about smaller details like this…

[coarse lake]

just screwed by target bug tbh

how much CS is your noah?

[keen vapor]

[worthy knoll]

Nah we all know we can get screwed just anticipate how the game can screw you

[rich quail]

That is another team possibility that I can do for sure. I do want to keep in mind their secondary b3, which happened to trigger when I didn’t expect it to

[rich quail]

0%

I removed all cs lines on Noah and Noise

[glad meteor]

I’m trying my best, There’s always something I’m missing

[coarse lake]

yeah just a freak bug then, not much you can do

[worthy knoll]

With their B3 that far in position and your team not being a nuke team, the first B3 would always be bursting

[rich quail]

I felt more comfortable with that matchup than the t2 matchup, to be honest

[keen vapor]

So nothing can be done about it

[rich quail]

Thought s.anis would clean up but did not

[keen vapor]

MLB power not enough

[coarse lake]

you can try changing team up a little bit

Noah/Naga/Emilia/Biscuit/RH maybe

it might prevent them from targeting all the way to emilia

if they target naga that's fine

[glad meteor]

If sanis bursting would have probably won, though it’s a race. I wouldn’t run something dangerous on sp lol

[rich quail]

I gotta look at that again

You’re saying that the RH was in a position to b3 more than Emilia?

[worthy knoll]

Not like in my case where Emilia is within reach of my supporter RLs range. And my supporters being so built enough, it backfired and killed Emi

[coarse lake]

I should have prepped gifts

[rich quail]

All that work for nothin

[coarse lake]

had to buy the 1 regular gold and 1 missilis from the coop shop just to barely make it

[keen vapor]

You don't have?

[rich quail]

You can have some of mine, I have 188 cloths

[worthy knoll]

On your vid above example, their RH and Emi are in P4 P5 respectively.. they are so far there that no upsets can happen of you killing RH and leaving Emi alive. Even if you use a Rosanna team, its more likely Ros to kill Emi than to kill RH either

[rich quail]

Ohhh

Okay I gotta look at that again

If I see that in the future, it’s probably better to do the Noah/Noise/S.Anis/Biscuit/X team, maybe?

[worthy knoll]

So it is 99.99% that RH will burst in this case.. don't get PTSD on your Bunny Soda incident

[rich quail]

Nah, this match is helping me learn and is a somewhat common matchup, but the Bunny Soda Incident is burned permanently into my brain

[worthy knoll]

Yeah, better if X is not a defender.. but if you put one, at least not a jackal.

[rich quail]

That and the LaPlus incident

[rich quail]

That’s what I wanted to ask… why not a defender?

[worthy knoll]

Tell me why you think why not a defender?

[rich quail]

Lemme think

[velvet sky]

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