pvp-arena

[spiral onyx]

Other than it does

My current theory is that there are multiple factors involved, including charge speed (e.g. how long units are in charging animation for), attack speed (e.g. affects how long it takes for units to turn around, become targetable, and fire their first shot), positioning (e.g. distance between units), projectile travel speed, and an RNG seed that changes on reset

And we don't know the math for most of these. And because calculations happen on server side, there's no guarantee we can figure that out (the client historically has been mismatched and visually incorrect)

[velvet sky]

yep haha

[pastel narwhal]

ahhhh, those butt clenching moments

[lone sequoia]

i will try to swap positions to see if there is a range with my own cs and if the same dodge/target happens for 2RL, i think for most of the 2RL teams 2 whiff can ff them

[umbral crown]

[grave bough]

How come my Noah, Biscuit, S-Anis, Redhood, and Jackal are losing to this? My team was working just fine before.

[coarse lake]

biscuit dying to splash maybe

[lone sequoia]

during full burst?

[grave bough]

I don't know if it helps but before my S-Anis was never being touched. Now she is getting hurt.

[coarse lake]

do you have video

[grave bough]

Nope, shoot. I'll have to get it next time.

[coarse lake]

do you remember when biscuit died?

[lone sequoia]

cs change?

[coarse lake]

also did their RH keep firing at your noah or did she start shooting wildly

[grave bough]

She was the first to go and it was during their burst

Redhood kept firing wildly

[coarse lake]

yeah splash

your noah only got 1 invuln

wildly after noah died or even while noah is alive

[grave bough]

I believe it was after she died. Wish I had a video for ya. I can get one in an hour and a half.

[coarse lake]

ok then targeting is fine, just that your biscuit is in vulnerable position

if you want to use the same team, then ig you'll have to do Noah/Sanis/Biscuit/RH/Jackal

[grave bough]

Does Bisuit have a cruicial passive?

[coarse lake]

biscuit's s2 allows defenders to become invuln for 5 sec when they reach half hp

can activate twice

biscuit dying too early meant your noah only got invuln once

noah needs invuln twice to neutralize rh

[grave bough]

Gotta be something like that. I've got almost 10k power over them so I'm confused lmao. I changed my team like you said.

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

if you have a 4/7/7 emilia, use her instead will be better results

Noah/Biscuit/Emilia/RH/Tia

in that setup noah only needs 1 invuln

bc emi will nuke their team quick

blanc/emilia/rh/biscuit/jackal works too

[grave bough]

Unfortunately, I didn't invest much into Emilia. She's at 4/5/5

Sounds like I'll have to stick with S-Anis for now until then.

[lone sequoia]

so people copy teams without reading the skills

[grizzled bone]

we illiterate out here

the regret i feel for not building up exias doll for this sr....

[pastel narwhal]

? many high scorers made it without exia+ , she's just a nice bonus though and noone could predict she'll be useful here

[full citrus]

just got poli and moran. who do they replace?

[coarse lake]

depends on your current teams

[lone sequoia]

poli only for SG teams or fast nuke teams; if you just got moran, don't use her

[pastel narwhal]

[umbral crown]

he is cooking

[pastel narwhal]

maybe michelin star meal

[coarse lake]

🤝

only reason he doesn't double hit is bc he usually loses position every day

so has to use a hit just to get within range to hit me

[pastel narwhal]

wow you even have "jigglez"

[coarse lake]

my bracket has some interesting names

[pastel narwhal]

which reminds me i kinda want to change my name to 'besti the besto friendo

I think I'm only attacked because that whale gave up attacking the other whale who suddenly turned leviathan, now he has no choice but to take #2 spot instead

[coarse lake]

I'm the lowest cp in top 3, so I'm always the popular target

[pastel narwhal]

I used to be lowest cp, until the cp update ... then we finally realize the whale didn't have invest in his pvp units so our cp are now the same even if he is 20 lvls above me

[lone sequoia]

i was the lowest and still the lowest, random stats+cores too strong

[full citrus]

shud i show my box

[full citrus]

why not?

[pastel narwhal]

ouch, sounds like competitive bracket

[coarse lake]

sure

if you want a pvp recook

[full citrus]

oki

[little oak]

tf

[full citrus]

do i show my box or teams?

[lone sequoia]

moran need investment and poli is a SG unit that buff atk, you can use her but no synergies outside fast nuke comps

[coarse lake]

both

[full citrus]

oh how much investment does moran need

[lone sequoia]

no, i can beat everyone except rank 1, they just use gems if i attack them and as a f2p i go with the 2 free hits

[umbral crown]

and 1k gems just inc ase

[full citrus]

heres my box and teams girlie

[umbral crown]

re send but without selection anyone

[full citrus]

oh

[lone sequoia]

+7/7/7 you really like her at lv 10, and need other units, if you have biscuit, moran S2 doesn't matter, but she is a unit for 2-3units comps, another taunt, healer or units that buff electric

[coarse lake]

what invest is your emilia

[full citrus]

4/4/4

[coarse lake]

are you willing/able to get her to 4/7/7

[full citrus]

um mayb

[coarse lake]

if you do, swap RH and emilia positions

otherwise, your teams are fine, no use for poli or moran rn

[full citrus]

oh oki

[umbral crown]

[full citrus]

who shld i wishklist

[pastel narwhal]

gimme rock rapunbirb

[umbral crown]

yesterday got 2 rocks

[grave bough]

I got that video.

[pastel narwhal]

my alt got 2 rocks

[umbral crown]

waos

[lone sequoia]

noah linked d

[coarse lake]

what skill invest is your sanis

bc it looks like she's too low invest to be used as a bursting dps

[velvet sky]

i bullied c4 bc he’s the easiest target but he started camping in sp & gemmed to take it back

[full citrus]

sanis no place?

[umbral crown]

i would

[coarse lake]

your sanis doesn't do enough dmg

[coarse lake]

can you get her burst to lvl 9

[full citrus]

oh

[umbral crown]

waos

[coarse lake]

oh

[umbral crown]

almost C7, go go

[coarse lake]

oh god, I know why, you got max ammo lines on your sanis

[glad meteor]

[coarse lake]

at least 2 rolls as well

base 12 ammo, so over 100% ammo lines

yeah your sanis is bricked

[grave bough]

I'm sorry but that is going over my head lmao

[coarse lake]

need to roll off them before she's usable as a dps

[grave bough]

sadge lmao

[umbral crown]

[velvet sky]

but the most funny thing is that i’d easily beat c1 if not for 60+ or whatever lvl gap bc c1-3 have like the dumbest team comps ever including sanis with noir

[coarse lake]

you need to reroll your max ammo OL pieces on sanis, so that she doesn't get max ammo

she wants as little ammo as possible

in the meantime ig you can run Noah/RH/Biscuit/Emilia/Jackal

and hope your emilia can kill their biscuit/rh fast enough

[grave bough]

Gotcya, I didn't know max ammo increase OL bricks her

[umbral crown]

always have 2 rocks when you reroll for S.Anis in case ammo appears

[full citrus]

what if it appears again

[full citrus]

u need atleast 17810717892701789017 rocks tbh

[umbral crown]

rock packs

to reroll ammo

[grave bough]

That makes alot of sense actually. Because my team was doing just fine and then they ate dirt lmao. This happened after I increased her maxed ammo from an OL

[coarse lake]

after fixing your OL, you also want to get her burst to lvl 9

[grave bough]

No problem, I can re-roll. So S-Anis should have ZERO increased ammo capacity right?

[coarse lake]

yeah, no ammo increase at all

[full citrus]

she needs ammo decrease!

[glad meteor]

She relies on a last bullet mechanic like dorothy

[grave bough]

Okay, it's been changed. Let's see if it worked.

[glad meteor]

Also want resilience cube

[grave bough]

THat one I was smart about lmao

I think it was because I moved Biscuit back to original spot and she was taken out by splash damage, right? Also I need to get S-Anis damage up. I'll wait to test more after the arena reset. Rather not waste gems.

[devout falcon]

SP (DEF)
M.Privaty/Liter/Poli/Jackal/noir
Noah/Noise/Scalter/Biscuit/centi
Blanc/Rapunzel/Alice/bsoda/Pepper

Does drake make any of these teams

[rich quail]

Rocks and gears, baybee
Gimme what I need!

[pastel narwhal]

[umbral crown]

a new day has arrived, go bully your bois

[lone sequoia]

reset*

[pastel narwhal]

1 rock

[umbral crown]

nice

GD?

[pastel narwhal]

yes, our wiggly boi

[umbral crown]

[pastel narwhal]

kill it with Sanis

[umbral crown]

will try it tonight

[lone sequoia]

2rocks

[umbral crown]

[velvet sky]

no rocks

[umbral crown]

you had to pray

[lone sequoia]

maybe there is a strat to get more rocks

[velvet sky]

while I was busy with side acc full auto did everything for me on my main

started si & forgor about it

[pastel narwhal]

i wasn't expecting the purples to work

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/laplace-nikke-running-window-hero-gif-10705365235044371178

[lone sequoia]

noah/laplace time

[rich quail]

no rocks

[pastel narwhal]

huge cp increase time

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/laplace-burst-laplace-nikke-gif-7226538774488526535

[pastel narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dra-lap-max-drake-gif-16589142700968295776

[velvet sky]

i need helmet stupid box

[copper creek]

i dont deserve this 😭

[lone sequoia]

i need more MG to boost modernia/crown cp

[glad meteor]

I had a noah whiff twice.

[lone sequoia]

against who?

[glad meteor]

My Noah against their noah

[lone sequoia]

p1-p1 your noah is too fast then

cs cube on the team?

[glad meteor]

My noah has 4.92 cs on OL

[lone sequoia]

units cs diff

do you have a video? maybe your noah dodge his shot

[glad meteor]

Noah 4.92
Biscuit 0
Sanis 4.92 + 4.04
Red hood 4.92
Bsoda 4.92

Lol, I’m pretty sure 1 hit and 1 missed. Dual shots

[lone sequoia]

yep, left to right cs, target skip to p3 after the first shot

probably he doesn't have cs on noah so she dodge the initial hit because the charge animation+projectile travel speed, and when your noah took cover drop the aggro for some of the hits, biscuit in cover and they swap to sanis

[coarse lake]

try to roll off CS on noah

[glad meteor]

My noah and noise have same cs rolls, is it okay then?

[coarse lake]

yet to find an actual advantage to having CS on noah, it's all negatives

it's ok for god comp

but you still run into whiffing issues like what happened here

[glad meteor]

I see 🫡

[coarse lake]

if you roll off noah, you'll also want to roll off noise

[warped zephyr]

Should I somehow improve my pvp squads with Trony, Clay, Moran, Noah, Anne: Miracle Fairy and Rosanna: Chic Ocean?

[rich quail]

My Noah and Noise are now cs-free!

… Sounds like some sort of commercial or something

[lone sequoia]

but they have elemental damage+def?

[rich quail]

Sadly, I don’t think so
Lemme double check

[copper creek]

send updated box

[glad meteor]

Last team has no b3

[lone sequoia]

b2, no?

[glad meteor]

Yh b2

I can’t read

[lone sequoia]

2 def+2atk+1charge speed

noise 2def+2elemental+1cs+1atk and some charge damage, no ammo

[coarse lake]

my 4ol noah and 2ol noise have 0 cs and 0 ammo

[rich quail]

@lone sequoia Noise has 23.56% Elemental, Noah has 11.81 def

Wait does ammo count?

Aw nuts

[lone sequoia]

noise s2

[rich quail]

Both have 1 line at 68.93% max ammo

So… that should be okay, right?

I don’t have any rocks to reroll

Daddy in the poor house

[lone sequoia]

noah/noise same ammo? should be fine for full burst

[coarse lake]

yeah that's fine

ammo is only for god comp post-burst, and they just need the same ammo

[rich quail]

Okay good
I was having Noah problems a few days ago because she had Adjutant and a CS line (I got rid of it yesterday)

[lone sequoia]

i did an attack in rookie before reset, maybe the whiff p1-p5 is around 3% cs

[rich quail]

Both only have 2 OL so I’ll make sure to monitor what they get when I upgrade their other 2 gears to OL

[lone sequoia]

i need elemental damage on my rapu

[pastel narwhal]

don't noise need fewer ammo? so her self healing triggers more? or does that won't matter much since her shooting 6 shots will mean the match is over anyway?

[lone sequoia]

#pvp-arena message

matchup things it can also kill your team during full burst by a random hit

[pastel narwhal]

my noise still has a random ammo ol, but as long as my opponent is still losing to this day I'd prioritize something else

[lone sequoia]

you can use noah in your T2 (p1) and move noise to p2 (no bay), add xanne to T1 and change to scarlet/anne/A2/noir/jackal

if you can show your units, it will be better

[worthy knoll]

The heck.. I haven't reset yet.. is my eyes deceiving me

[pastel narwhal]

saved 50 gems

[lone sequoia]

makima treasure

[umbral crown]

[worthy knoll]

More like earned gems this time coz the usual is a break even

[pastel narwhal]

i remember wasting 800 gems rerolling to get the best possible list ... but forgot i can actually dispatch ea item one at a time for more efficient reroll

[worthy knoll]

Oof no rookie to test

[grizzled bone]

i forgot about that too. Never re rolled until recently though

shout out to echo for reminding me

[umbral crown]

remind echo to pull as well

[grizzled bone]

i will not bully echo

[rich quail]

Holy cow
What did Bunny Soda do to my team?

[pastel narwhal]

that's one massive bunni

[grizzled bone]

oof that's bad luck. Her AOE got you

[lone sequoia]

no skill-cute/animation pls

[rich quail]

Sorry forgot to turn it off

[copper creek]

prayer for rock

[prime mango]

Do you get anything for finishing top 3 in rookie?

[glad meteor]

Bnnuy soda with ele lines

[lone sequoia]

no linked scarlet?

[copper creek]

rookie rewards are pretty whatever i wouldnt worry

[grizzled bone]

more rookie creds

[copper creek]

1 rock orz

[rich quail]

So it was just a bad beat then?
I’ve never played against Bunny Soda so I don’t know what she does

[devout falcon]

@copper creek

[glad meteor]

There’s also scar s2

[grizzled bone]

she has an AOE burst in her kit. Since Rh and Scar died first she ended up bursting on you instead

[copper creek]

no

[lone sequoia]

iron SG with a decent nuke, not high % but have elemental advantage, your units couldn't tank with that hp before the nuke (2buffer)

[devout falcon]

[rich quail]

Ah… so I may have to pay attention to her AOE then…

[grizzled bone]

yeah in that particular line up. Idk if they planned it that way but it works

[rich quail]

I used Noah on t2 so nothing could really save me

[rich quail]

I think maybe it was a trap then
Very clever

[lone sequoia]

anis in scarlet team(?

[rich quail]

[lone sequoia]

no sanis

[rich quail]

today
… I learned

[grizzled bone]

how built is your Sakura? you could try that to counter SBS on T2 to switch things around

[lone sequoia]

but rh need a better OL+dupes to change blanc burst

and sbs have noise

wait, normal sakura?

[grizzled bone]

yeah normal Sakura

[lone sequoia]

need another taunter if he use noah/biscuit against scarlet/blanc

i need to see the team match window and know the synchro

[grizzled bone]

bbl gonna eat

[copper creek]

hows sr

[grizzled bone]

i got to 2b in mock by just playing better but realised my Elegg wont hit QTE in ph2 so im gonna try changing things

[copper creek]

you have ein right?

[grizzled bone]

yas

[lone sequoia]

t9 elegg can kill unbuffed qte with full burst

[tawny vine]

I haven't tested this myself but Rapunzel's stun for her burst. Is this activated anytime after B1?

The wording is "when her hp falls below" instead of "if her hp is below"

[warped zephyr]

• Trony, Clay, Moran, Noah, Anne: Miracle Fairy and Rosanna: Chic Ocean

[lone sequoia]

at 30% or lower

[copper creek]

wtf why all ur units not in sync

[lone sequoia]

when she burst of course

[warped zephyr]

Should I not use Bay at all?

[copper creek]

t1:
crown/doro/ein/s.anis/priv <no healer, requires hands>
OR crown/dkw/ein/s.anis/rapunzel <healer, comfy run>
t2: volume/blanc/noir/rh/scarlet
t3: tia/liter/naga/alice/sbs

remaining 2 teams is olympics of cope

[grizzled bone]

t9 gear? yeah problem is im not consistently killing slippers

[tawny vine]

ah bit confusing but okay thought that might be the case

[lone sequoia]

bay is a weaker noah, you can use bay to tank nukes (if she still have cover) noah is easier to use and have better burst gen

[lone sequoia]

team?

[warped zephyr]

Don't pay attention to it. I will synchronize them as needed.

[copper creek]

rh requires full charge off burst.
ein can do about 70%ish charge.
alice full charge off burst.
sbs full charge.

[copper creek]

why does ur box look familiar...

[lone sequoia]

rapu-rosanna-emi..

[copper creek]

im guessing you're angel

[warped zephyr]

maybe Bay will fit in another position?

[warped zephyr]

I wrote here at the beginning of summer

[lone sequoia]

you really like bay? she is a b2 and your teams at that syncho can't reach a 2nd cycle

[warped zephyr]

No, I only care about efficiency.

[grizzled bone]

@copper creek @lone sequoia

I was using
t1: crown-vol-ein-sanis-priv
t2: tia-dwife-alice-sbs-naga
t3: liter-blanc-scar-rh-noir
t4: copium sg team
t5: doro-egg-mw-helm-modernia

but fr brb gonna eat

[copper creek]

**sp - def : **
blanc/rh/emilia/alice/centi
noah/noise/s.anis/biscuit/rapunzel
jackal/scarlet/scalter/x.anne/noir

**min. invest : **
emilia - 4/7/7
s.anis - 7/7/9 (min.) // 10/10/9 (ideal)
s.anis - resilience cube
x.anne - burst to 4-7 at your own discretion. b4 usually enough.

quantum cube on anis, centi, jackal.
vigor cube on noise, biscuit, rapunzel

tempering cube (not urgent, take your time with this) at your own discretion,
priority: noah > blanc > other def taunters & units as required.

**please include in your wishlist : **
-

i do not advise running def teams on atk :
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[copper creek]

i typically dont recommend bay

[lone sequoia]

yep, but noah is better than bay in all aspects... i like tans; just use noah on that team or use munchs teams

[copper creek]

im assuming u're angel in my friendlist, hello \o/

before, i told u to use bay because u didnt have noah then
now that u have noah, she is basically similar to bay, but better in every way

[tawny vine]

bay can be great in a pinch especially when you don't have noah tho

[copper creek]

he has noah now hence i stopped telling him to use bay

[tawny vine]

oh that makes sense then I wouldn't use bay either

direct replacement

[lone sequoia]

you can use rapu
liter is better with sbs
all SR/RL p3
i don't have a SG team
no reason to use modernia since the boss don't have core all the time, guillotine is better

[warped zephyr]

[rich quail]

I think I reset her

[copper creek]

zzz this fckn rubbish game
i SR til right wrist discomfort

[glad meteor]

No rookie today. I’m happy

No messages being sent

[rich quail]

@grizzled bone

[grizzled bone]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[grizzled bone]

ooh yeah you're better off with defender+biscuit then

[grizzled bone]

rapu in which team?

[lone sequoia]

T1- no privaty, check damage from ammo cut+atk and crown S2 (?

[grizzled bone]

hmm i could try taking out priv for rapu

[umbral crown]

imagine having 9 gems to start the day

[rich quail]

I think I need to figure how to link my Scarlet to Jackal again

I thought it would be ok to sac Scarlet against that team because she was not linked (to rage Rosanna), but my inexperience did not prepare for Bunny Soda burst

[umbral crown]

[lone sequoia]

if you have +40%rosanna you can go for 2RL team and kill the chain

[umbral crown]

Scarlet sac does nkt work for everyone

[rich quail]

I will remember that for next time, thanks 🙇🏻‍♂️

[lone sequoia]

the sanis-anis swap could be good if you can tank 10sec of blanc burst... but you can't with the current hp

[rich quail]

I learned…
not to mess with Bunny Soda

[pastel narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-goddess-of-victory-soda-maid-gif-10246781157975347228

[lone sequoia]

she gets like +50% more atk during full burst

[rich quail]

She’s singing and dancing on my grave today

[grizzled bone]

alright I did more dmg in mock on T1. Why does this work? 😅 I just failed timing QTE

[pastel narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-soda-asks-for-money-donate-captain-gif-17127911012832188791

[lone sequoia]

priv change and no full run?

[pastel narwhal]

but still broke

[rich quail]

お金がないよ

[grizzled bone]

crown-vol-ein-sanis-rapu? I just finished doing T1 gonna play the others now

[lone sequoia]

ok

[rich quail]

So I probably have to lock Scarlet lines to keep her good stuff, and reroll until I get the atk lines and max ammo lines I need

But no gems right now

[lone sequoia]

i have to finish these units

[rich quail]

@lone sequoia sr?

[lone sequoia]

pvp

[rich quail]

Smol White?

I have never seen anyone use her before

After today, I’m gonna build up Bunny Soda

• maybe

[lone sequoia]

i can change her if i get ein

[copper creek]

because with healerless ein/s.anis team u got to cover a lot and use brain
with rapunzel + volume (who buffs crit, which helps both s.anis and ein) you can ignore all slippers and crystal arrows and just dps core, facetank everything else - which means no dps downtime

[lone sequoia]

i need more units that have Aoe at full burst

[worthy knoll]

Be like me, just do it once and never look back again

[copper creek]

but... but... my frame 3.. D:

[grizzled bone]

hmm should i ignore mechanic on T1 then?

[rich quail]

I like this and live this
SR too stressful

[lone sequoia]

also, depends on elemental damage the first b3 @grizzled bone

[copper creek]

whats ur team again? @grizzled bone confirm to me its volume/crown/ein/s.anis/rapunzel?

[grizzled bone]

yeah

[lone sequoia]

for RH team, rh b1 at the start of the 2nd phase, you have to wait 2-3sec for that full burst since the first part you go with rh b3-scarletb3- rhb3-rhb1b3

[copper creek]

always kill P2 slippers
ignore crystal arrow, P1 slippers

actually, are you in a rush?

[grizzled bone]

not particularly.

[grizzled bone]

well Ein has minimal investment

[lone sequoia]

then t1 start with sanis b3

[grizzled bone]

I was told Doro by someone in the comm server to use liter on my t5 instead and maybe use doro on t1

[copper creek]

https://youtu.be/tkaM6VNJnjw

not good run, no cubes and not aiming properly,
but just to show you the timing

processing done

[lone sequoia]

i pre-shot with biscuit(sanis) and emi (laplace team)

[copper creek]

@grizzled bone also the thing to note is from that video is

if boss has 4 stacks of DEF

• your invest in ein insufficient (no ATK/elemental damage lines, no core/LBs),
  maybe good idea to have burst up when shooting,

otherwise as u saw, fullcharge shot that didnt crit off burst, was not enough dmg to break a 4stack slipper

so its just something for you to think about

anyway that's just for rough timing, dont fully copy/emulate that run xd

[rich quail]

Anyone know if it’s a good idea to try and get a lot of cs lines for Rapunzel in pvp, especially with the problems pvp has with cs?

[copper creek]

i would argue not at the moment

after adjutant is fixed who knows

while keripo advocates for more CS , because he argues that high-level PVP is frame-based (#pvp-arena message)

for most people it seems to just screw them over (at the current moment anyway)

[lone sequoia]

good for nero fast nero teams, but you don't run fast nero teams all the time

[rich quail]

Thank you, just wanted to check
I saw that Rapunzel heals after every fully-charged shot

[rich quail]

Yeah, I’m going to focus on the Nero/Quiry/Rapu/Moran team very soon, so that’s why I was asking a little early

But a fast Nero team, huh?

What’s that made of?

[lone sequoia]

2nd proc on nero burst...+3RL

or another field healer unit

[rich quail]

Yeah I would probably not run that unless it was Rookie

[grizzled bone]

this is your not good run? that T1 dmg is better than any I've done

[rich quail]

Need my RLs in SP

[lone sequoia]

nero get damage reduction every time she gets a heal, at 5 stack before burst she get a 2nd effect during her burst that add 60%healing

[copper creek]

no, i had no cubes and wasnt aiming properly

[rich quail]

Interestiiiiiiing

[copper creek]

if i want to aim properly (lock onto the core, which i wasnt doing) and actually mald for crits on slippers offburst while playing fast - theres about 200m in that run

[rich quail]

So only possible with 2 healers ?

[lone sequoia]

the double taunt team use nero self damage reduction (+45%) moran as 2nd taunter with her burst (35%) and heals from rapu/quiry

[lone sequoia]

only at that speed, but most of the time nero teams don't have to be that fast, she have 60%more hp and can tank a bit more

[rich quail]

That sounds like a good plan
A very nice team to use against S.Anis

[lone sequoia]

merry team works because his nero have more atk than rapu, so she tank sanis S2

[raven plover]

sanis is the reason why nero def dies tho

[lone sequoia]

in my case sanis in my bracket are really strong and my OL bad

[raven plover]

back then there was a popular
nero, noise, biskit, dps, rapun def

but sanis just kill it

[rich quail]

Oog, so high investment is necessary

I am willing

[lone sequoia]

my noise used to have more atk than my sanis

[copper creek]

yes absurd investment
merry has all units concerned at 10/10/10 + 4OL+5

so again, idk how relevant it is to most people

[lone sequoia]

i need quirylv10 burst and more OL lvls

but the main problem for me are the OL effects

[rich quail]

I’m guessing tempering cube for Moran and maybe others in the team are also a must

[lone sequoia]

vigor and damage reduction cube are good, but for nero damage reduction is better

[rich quail]

So, Nero and Moran definitely need tempering cube

[lone sequoia]

and rapu with healing cube since you don't need to tank a nuke, so no vigor for her

if nero have more atk*

[rich quail]

Yeah I put Rapunzel on that cube the week I got it

[lone sequoia]

i use vigor on rapu

[grizzled bone]

I had a bad mock run did just shy of 1.9

[rich quail]

I needed Vigor on Noah because Adjutant was screwing with targeting on my team (possibly)

[lone sequoia]

i need to check damage to see if vigor is still good against nuke (scarlet damage) in my bracket, but to lazy to attack people

[rich quail]

So that’s why Rapu went from Vigor to Healing

[lone sequoia]

quantum on noah if no biscuit...

i mean with biscuit

[rich quail]

I am trying but I’m 11 batteries away from leveling up Quantum for another slot

[lone sequoia]

i can't spend more UR currency

[rich quail]

I used about 40% of my UR chips on Healing

[lone sequoia]

nihilister treasure or the cubes lvl cap

i have to wait for those

[rich quail]

We need more ways to get batteries

[lone sequoia]

CA...well beta/alpha

[rich quail]

Probably one of the slowest things to develop in the game

If SR Challenge gave you batteries every time you played, I would suck it up and play through it

[lone sequoia]

SU said that they will change or add a way to transform currencies (mats-core dust or data) i hope they add more items to the arena/union shops

[rich quail]

Well, I hope it comes by the end of the year at worst

[lone sequoia]

i wonder if they will add the dupe item for like +500k pvp coins

[raven plover]

universal unit dupe for 500k

[grizzled bone]

would love to convert battle data

[lone sequoia]

500k in pvp is like...5months?

maybe 3-4 with sp

[rich quail]

Are pvp coins those red coins that are basically just for ranking purposes each season?

in sp?

[lone sequoia]

so a dupe every 4months seems good

[lone sequoia]

normal pvp currency, the silver tickets, i don't remember

[rich quail]

Ah okay the tickets

That would be dope to add useful items instead of troll t8 gear for absurd amounts (forgot which shop does this)

[umbral crown]

Happens

[lone sequoia]

32k arena shop and like 3m gold normal shop or 2k gems

[rich quail]

Yeah, those are so bad
I guess all gacha have those predatory shop areas

[lone sequoia]

if they add a dupe item, pvp will be more relevant and whales will have to spend more on that only to get a dupe that they normally can get with $100-200

[civic maple]

should i worry about pvp comp if my sync level is still 160?

[lone sequoia]

new player?

[civic maple]

kind of? just struggle to have 5 limit break unit

[lone sequoia]

then show your units, a better rank help to get more gems

[rich quail]

Limit Break isn’t really something you absolutely need in pvp

It’s more about investment in skills, gear (Overload gear helps a lot), cubes, and dolls

[civic maple]

and i also have aria, rei, signal, and sakura

[lone sequoia]

sp right?

[civic maple]

regualr

[umbral crown]

I would

[lone sequoia]

you can try
noise/bay/rapu/sanis/jackal
noir/srosanna/liter/emi/jackal
noise/centi/biscuit/kilo/jackal
maiden/srosanna/noir/emi/jackal

[umbral crown]

Bro has emi, not everything is lost

[civic maple]

for def or both?

[lone sequoia]

was rookie? and we only make teams for def, atk teams depends on the enemy team

[umbral crown]

JK about to send a message

[lone sequoia]

if you need 3 teams for sp just ask

[civic maple]

[umbral crown]

[civic maple]

ok thanks

[umbral crown]

Get your rank 1 in SP

[lone sequoia]

rookie*

[umbral crown]

You can do it

[umbral crown]

No rocks today

[civic maple]

what about sp

i feel bad

[lone sequoia]

?

[copper creek]

u gotta be fckn kidding me 😂

[velvet sky]

me too

[lone sequoia]

only purple or gold for sr

[copper creek]

hows your SR

[copper creek]

yea ik, just all gone orz @@
blues to my alice R doll
purple/gold to my la+ SR doll

[grizzled bone]

alright hit 2.2 on my mock run

[umbral crown]

Do not feel bad, nessongonna carry you

[lone sequoia]

full official clear?

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Excellent

[grizzled bone]

1.89 on my 2nd try

[umbral crown]

Now 2.5 in the real one

[grizzled bone]

im not crazy about my t4 and t5. But i guess they're copium teams for a lot of people?

[copper creek]

this SR is a one team raid lol

4 teams are copium, so dw about it

[grizzled bone]

idk how ppl are squeezing 200m on sg teams

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

what % are you at rn, and what score

[lone sequoia]

4th time that i post this...

[copper creek]

0.8% 2.769

[coarse lake]

huh that's not that different than NA

1.01% at 2.73

[copper creek]

global is not a chill server anymore lol, not surprising

[lone sequoia]

.33 3.5b NA

[civic maple]

i mean what about 3 teams for sp

[coarse lake]

anyone pulling zwei for sure on launch? or at least before SR ends

[lone sequoia]

i can get like +100 in T1 and another 100m T5 with a different team and T3 20m

[grizzled bone]

wish i had xludmila

[copper creek]

no, skipping, garbage unit

[coarse lake]

I need ppl to test if a low invest 4/4/4 zwei can 1 tap slippers

bc if my maths are right, she might not even be able to do it

[rustic sandal]

I will

[copper creek]

anyway not that it matters to you
you are long way safe

[coarse lake]

pls lemme know if low invest zwei can 1 tap slippers without buffers

[rustic sandal]

How about her gear? Lv1 or OL?

[coarse lake]

no OL

do hold the charge until full burst starts though, that's easy enough to do

[rustic sandal]

Slippers phase 1 right?

[coarse lake]

phase 2

[rustic sandal]

Oh alright

[coarse lake]

if I can stay above 1.5% on last day, then I'll be ok, otherwise I'll prob mald more just in case

[fading heath]

@lone sequoia @umbral crown do you guys I think I can beat this guy with these teams? I'll calculate cp later if there needs to be a change in the teams

[halcyon sinew]

Even today Nonstone's come

[copper creek]

no need to be so worried lol
last day will move by 1% - if your score on last day is less than 1.9, you're more than safe

[fading heath]

Box is still the same here

[lone sequoia]

crown/neon/emi/biscuit/sugar
noise/bay/sanis/rapu/anis
maiden/srosanna/noir/centi/jackal
i can make more teams but is better to see power first

[copper creek]

meh been a while since i made anything in pvp

[coarse lake]

I'm worried zwei might make last day drop higher than usual

[copper creek]

not going to happen

[coarse lake]

anything higher than 1.8% I'll definitely recook

[civic maple]

ok i can try it first and see

[copper creek]

dont forget last day we only have 11 hours with zwei instead of the usual 24

[grizzled bone]

the whales will for sure pull zwei and run that SR no?

[coarse lake]

yeah there's that, it's 2am-4pm for NA folks on a work day, so that does help

[lone sequoia]

rosanna atk%and burst lvl?

[copper creek]

maybe, but doesnt matter to him, he's fine, he is WAY clear of safe

[rustic sandal]

The whales already up there, it shouldn't move the rank too much

I worried about those last day hitters

[coarse lake]

whales are not a concern, they prob are already higher score than me

[grizzled bone]

oh thats true

[lone sequoia]

you can go with a fast noah team and blanc/sanis/rh

[coarse lake]

my score has dropped 0.3% in the last 16 hour time period that's a good sign

[fading heath]

She is 7/4/1 and im not sure what you mean by atk%

[coarse lake]

is your sbs higher power than your scarlet

[copper creek]

**sp - attack : **
t1: sbs/noah/noise/anis/jackal
t2: this is OK if emilia gets indom.
t3: i do not see opponent's t3.

calculate deficit before attacking.
do not proced if penalty. formulae in pinned.

[coarse lake]

using sbs and putting her in t1 is a lot safer

[lone sequoia]

was 2.8?

[copper creek]

you are way clear of safe, dont worry about it lol

[fading heath]

I didnt post t3 because I get stat penalty against them, but I'll try this strat

[autumn current]

I'm still new but can someone set up my 3v3 pls 😢

[copper creek]

send your box.

home -> nikke tab (sort by power only / default sort).
if you are on mobile, please use horizontal mode to prevent your msg getting deleted (auto-moderation / attachment limit)

[autumn current]

Can I take a picture of my Nikes from my pc ,I'm to lazy opening nikke on mobile. And I can't open discord at pc office

[coarse lake]

I was 0.7% 16 hours ago

[copper creek]

From PC is OK too, actually preferrable.

[autumn current]

It's not screenshot, it a picture

With camera

[copper creek]

as long as i can see clearly , its fine

[grizzled bone]

oh I think you're more than fine

[autumn current]

meh just gonna open discord on office pc

[copper creek]

lol maybe not good idea to do that in the office 😅

[autumn current]

Don't be mean I'm still new

[real cipher]

Can I please get some help with an SP arena team for attack and defense? Never cared for pvp but figure I should try for some rewards. Thanks

[warped zephyr]

wishlist

[copper creek]

**sp - def : **
scarlet/b.soda/liter/poli/jackal
ein/blanc/rh/anis/centi
your remaining highest cp units here

**min. invest : **
! as you are a newer player and your sync level is low, please focus on core units first before raising pvp units.

poli - burst to 4

i do not advise running def teams on atk :
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[copper creek]

your wishlist u can do whatever, you're not missing anything too important if im not mistaken

someone remind me to do a compendium post to be pinned after SR season

[real cipher]

Thank you for the help I appreciate it

[copper creek]

@worn field to confirm, anything u want me to add here?

[note to self: search preparation for pins for this message]

[little basin]

I appreciate this, thank you. This is kind of similar to what i did but a bit different. I assume positioning is left to right in your post as well.

[copper creek]

its in his original pinned already

ideally i'd like to have that + this + your feed charts

[autumn current]

Ofcorse sir thx

[fading heath]

T1 succeeded but t2 my Emilia died from their Emilia. Red Hood took indom and killed everyone but Noah (p1) and Emilia (p3), and then killed Noah but burst ran out and red hood died, leaving my centi vs their Emilia

[lone sequoia]

if sbs work against scarlet, you can swap centi/jackal

but noah p1

or noise

[fading heath]

Noah not linked to jackal and had roughly about 35%-40% hp left before entering burst so yeah I guess I will swap jackal for centi

[lone sequoia]

i would just run blanc/emi team against scarlet and sanis/noah against emi

[fading heath]

I guess that could work, but I think due to Emilia's range, S.anis could die, even though she has more hp than Emilia

I'll give it try when I have runs again

[lone sequoia]

like emi/blanc/rh/centi/jackal----- noah/noise/sanis/biscuit/anis

rh higher hp than emi

[little basin]

Two questions, what kind of teams use blanc I've heard she can be really good for some specific teams but you didn't suggest using her so I'm assuming I'm missing a key unit for her. Scarlet?

Two: Would getting vipers treasure make her WORSE in pvp or still fine? I remember seeing some CC make a video about how viper treasure could make her worse for pvp.

[lone sequoia]

1 depends on what part of her kit are your trying to use, 1 damage increase like 40% debuff.. 2 the 10 sec indomitability that just give a unit time to deal damage, you can use both with scarlet but depends on her ammo+damage (other buff or scarlet OL)
2 viper is a clip SG* her teasure change synergies which need time, something that she doesn't have in pvp phase 2, at phase 3 she get re-enter burst 2 so you need another burst 2 in the team and that limit the team comps where you can use her or just slow the team if you use her as b2, even with treasure is just a normal clip SG (stop at phase 2)

[velvet sky]

malding in mock all this bs with covers & noticing (can’t see sht fast enough sometimes thanks to burst & skill effects) + hitting those cursed slippers first before others screw me is annoying

[copper creek]

[grizzled bone]

Crown burst go

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[velvet sky]

THIS

[copper creek]

i ran doro+crown in the same team until i gave up

[velvet sky]

also all her castles hide slippers

[copper creek]

imagine both effects together holy sht
idk what i was supposed to see

[rich quail]

It was funny for me because I play in portrait mode for this sr, and you can’t see the glass slippers at all

So I was wondering how I was dying

I learned

[grizzled bone]

i also tried that. Then questioned why

[lone sequoia]

turn everything off

[copper creek]

it is great when it works

but i stopped doing it because i rather actually have a chance at playing the game

instead of just memorising pattern... its a hit to score but eh its w/e 🤣

[crystal flicker]

How many times I need to beat this mf to make them understand

[rich quail]

For LaPlace with treasure, is it best to put her in p4 or p5 and not let her burst?

I’m guessing she is mainly burst gen and cp filler?

[rich quail]

The answer is +1

[coarse lake]

burst gen and non-bursting dps

[rich quail]

4/4/10 is optimal?

[copper creek]

4/4/4 enough

[rustic sandal]

Finally my SAnis have full OL

I still need to work on her skills

[rich quail]

Thanks guys

prydwen said 4/4/10 but I figured if she isn’t bursting why put 10 for pvp?

[rustic sandal]

I still struggle to max laplace doll

Still at phase 11

[rich quail]

Me too
Doll R phase 11 but I have SR doll ready

[rustic sandal]

Im at SR phase 11 rn

[copper creek]

same story here tbh

[rustic sandal]

It barely ups.. and SR kits are slow

Altho i have 200+ of her treasure items

[rich quail]

Haha me too
I forgot to turn it off and I got like 178

[rustic sandal]

I thought solo raid will take me to 15...
In fact it doesnt help that much

[rustic sandal]

Lol yeah... maybe later we know what to do with the excess

[rich quail]

I was able to get Rosanna’s R doll to phase 10

But otherwise, haven’t upgraded any other dolls because I need to think more about who to max to SR15

One more day of solo raid giving us extra kits for dolls, so I need to choose wisely

[grizzled bone]

do the ones that have favourite items 🙂

[little basin]

Oh you right, I forgot when I posted these images. I pulled Blanc shortly after I posted the images here

[rich quail]

I’m most interested in Exia and Viper. The latter is hard to use in pvp because she bricks the team

[umbral crown]

Do it for viper phase 3 is the way

[grizzled bone]

exia for bossing

[umbral crown]

[grizzled bone]

you use viper for pvp right?

[coarse lake]

base viper has a use as a B2 clip SG if you need such a role

treasure viper has a problem where if you wanna use her kit, she slows your b3 and full burst time, if you don't use her kit (someone else bursts), it's just default viper basically

[empty marlin]

hello.... can someone help me with sp arena team?

[coarse lake]

what skill invest on emilia and sanis

[grizzled bone]

yeah thats what i thought thanks

[empty marlin]

emilia is 7/7/7, s.anis 9/9/10

[copper creek]

hmmmm

eon u wanna cook this

[coarse lake]

yeah sure I'll try

[copper creek]

actually

he has everything right

[grizzled bone]

looks like it

[coarse lake]

Blanc/Emilia/RH/Centi/Tia
Moran/Biscuit/Sanis/Drake/Anis
Scarlet/Rapunzel/Poli/Noir/Jackal

[copper creek]

**sp - def : **
blanc/rh/emilia/alice/centi
noise/rapunzel/s.anis/biscuit/anis
jackal/scarlet/scalter/x.anne/noir

**min. invest : **
emilia - 4/7/7
s.anis - 7/7/9 (min.) // 10/10/9 (ideal)
s.anis - resilience cube
x.anne - burst to 4

quantum cube on anis, centi, jackal.
vigor cube on noise, biscuit, rapunzel

tempering cube (not urgent, take your time with this) at your own discretion,
priority: noah > blanc > other def taunters & units as required.

**please include in your wishlist : **
-

i do not advise running def teams on atk :
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[grizzled bone]

anyone have success with Nero + Biscuit?

[coarse lake]

merry probably has

but it's more for niche comps like double taunt to counter sanis or stall afaik

[empty marlin]

err.... i dont have noah 😭

and newer unit (in 2-3 last banner)

[copper creek]

oh

[coarse lake]

oh... uh...

[grizzled bone]

we see noah and noise alot together though. hmm

oh... mb

[copper creek]

this one need to ask merry

nero require super high inv

[copper creek]

edited

[empty marlin]

thx ! ill try it 😄

[coarse lake]

edited mine as well

[grizzled bone]

does merry use bay in his quiry meme team?

cant remember

[coarse lake]

don't remember seeing one

[copper creek]

no

[empty marlin]

thx a lot too, time to try both of it

[copper creek]

he has xanne

[coarse lake]

low cp though, but if you can get her high cp, yeah use xanne over poli

I think I just saw my SR score go up by 0.01%, maybe I was hallucinating

ig it's possible if enough ppl with lower score join in

[grizzled bone]

mine rose .07%

[coarse lake]

like the number went smaller?

[copper creek]

did all the gaming chairs get banwaved? 🤣

[coarse lake]

that's what I mean by rose, as in go up in the ranks

[grizzled bone]

oh. Nevermind

[coarse lake]

[grizzled bone]

lol cold war broke after the collaborative effort from everyone here in my bracket. But it's been oddly quiet after

[keen vapor]

My suspicions about the next collab increase each day it passes

[rustic sandal]

Jackal/Scarlet/Scalter/Tia/Noir
Blanc/M.Privaty/Liter/Biscuit/Centi
Noise/Noah/S.Anis/Crown/Maiden

I just got Red Hood and half built her..
Can i replace someone with RH there?

[copper creek]

liter -> rh

[coarse lake]

what are her skill lvls

[rustic sandal]

Ohhh liter.. gotcha

Now its 757

[copper creek]

push to 101010 asap

[coarse lake]

is her atk higher or lower than mpriv

[rustic sandal]

Lemme check

[coarse lake]

prob easier to just post both of their attacks, and also your liter skill lvls

[rustic sandal]

4k lower

My Mpriv is quite well built

[coarse lake]

how much atk is mpriv

[rustic sandal]

54k vs 50k RH..
I got RH like a week ago

Also 50k cp vs 41k cp

[coarse lake]

liter burst 10 is technically higher atk rn, but eh, close enough that you can just use RH, esp if RH is higher cp

[rustic sandal]

My liter have 60k cp vs 41k cp on RH lol

So replace or not

10/7/10 liter

[coarse lake]

use liter for now

[rustic sandal]

So later after RH got better, ill replace liter then

[coarse lake]

yeah use RH once she's better built

[rustic sandal]

Gotcha.. thanks!

[devout falcon]

Do I win dis

33,333 arena tix

[coarse lake]

yes

[copper creek]

proceed

wooooooooooooooooooooo

[devout falcon]

Wasn’t even close

[rich quail]

You lost? Won?

[devout falcon]

Won

[tawny vine]

jackal can link to any role right? scar/rap are the two highest attacks but it looks like link is with scar/blanc (or just scar?)

bit confused

[pastel narwhal]

check their atk% ol's

[tawny vine]

oooh

good shout

blanc is 37k attack, rap is 44k attack.
1 atk% OL on rapunzel and 0 on blanc

[wise horizon]

Any suggestions? @worn field

[pastel narwhal]

hmmm are you sure though it's blanc? you can run in union shooting range and check her status on pause if she got the link

[tawny vine]

good idea looks normal in shooting range

I'm wondering if enemy team had a debuffs which made blanc and scarlet be highest atk then.

in the arena match rap definitely didn't looked link

[polar hare]

Can someone recommend a third team for me? My burst generation just seems too slow with my current one

[tawny vine]

oh it was actually very obvious. I knew Rosanna had a debuff but didn't realize it removes it. so I guess link got removed

[pastel narwhal]

[tawny vine]

so yep I guess noah is mandatory then

[rustic sandal]

bro cant even rest

[junior mesa]

is vigor cube good for pvp?

what the cube prios for pvp. my bastion and resilience are both lv 9

[runic coral]

Good for defenders/taunters

[rich quail]

Resilience is best for S.Anis

Quantum should go to Centi, Anis, Jackal.

Noah a possibility if you have a 4th slot

[runic coral]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[junior mesa]

my quantum cube is lv 9 as well

not sure what cube to focus after?

[rich quail]

Do u have tempering?

[junior mesa]

yes i do

[rich quail]

Tempering and vigor are solid choices for pvp from what people say here

Tempering is damage reduction, great for Noah or Moran

[junior mesa]

ok

ill go for tempering

thanks

[rich quail]

np glad 2 help

[fathom rock]

Updated pvp teams?

[junior mesa]

how does healing cube work? so confused.

it increases the healing of a character that is able to heal? or..

[copper creek]

resend without anything selected. (home > nikke tab).

[fathom rock]

What's that supposed to change

[copper creek]

increases healing output by unit with cube equipped

[rich quail]

Best cube for Quiry?

Or does Quiry benefit more from another cube?

[copper creek]

i dont run quiry, not sure - ask merry/zixk/keripo

[junior mesa]

best cube for quiry is healing than vigor according to keirpo pvp sheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

@rich quail

[rich quail]

Thanks guys

[valid aurora]

sorry for quality but can someone tell me what kind of magic happened here??
that was the 3rd round on even CP (less than 15.5% difference)

[tawny vine]

rh probably got indom and blew up your team and just skipped the animation is my guess

[valid aurora]

i thought it would be laplace burst 3 but it does sound like redhood shooting right before it skips
this skipping never used to happen 2 updates ago and it's bad

https://tenor.com/view/guess-ill-die-gif-9704573

[rich quail]

Every update, another pvp thing breaks

[umbral crown]

Used to but with treasure wanna try something

[rich quail]

Rosy gonna cook something good

[pastel narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/machikado-mazoku-shamiko-cooking-angry-anime-gif-16267484

[loud sonnet]

For some unknown reason my defense team is winning a lot unlike before even though i didn't change anything

[solemn moth]

can i ask a question... does arena defense sucks? or are there counters to it

[loud sonnet]

Depends on your defense

every team can be counter with the right setup

[solemn moth]

I see so any counters then

[velvet sky]

i hate this cursed bracket with a burning passion, yet another whale got to 381+ & changed his teams so now i can’t beat him bc t1 is an obvious skip and then no idea how to beat t3 with leftovers

love it when whole challenger - 1 is infested by 381+ whales

[granite anchor]

Does that team 2 win? if so, you should still win by swapping to Scarlet black shadow over Emilia, the team will still be 2RL and SBS should sweep the team.

Then you can blanc/emilia/rh/biscuit/centi team 3

[glad meteor]

If noise has more cs than noah, is it fine for noah noise biscuit sanis comp

[umbral crown]

Thars the hope

[velvet sky]

already tried blanc emi before & she couldn’t fully nuke that noah so it was long blanc vs noah in the end with blanc barely surviving bc that noah has healing cube & heals, now he suddenly went from 381 to 382 & now emi can’t fully nuke rapu noah sanis & noise

[glad meteor]

Everying is just whiffing. I hate this game

2 RL scar with P1 rl meta. Always whiffs

[granite anchor]

ah I see. double buff emi can usually kill with big level gap but the noise, possibly skilled up, is probably able to keep em alive.
not sure what you can do then

[velvet sky]

quit PvP

[granite anchor]

i'm around your synchro and have some 380+ whales, i just leave them alone and accept i have to be in the lower reward bracket

one of them hasn't logged in for a month tho so i get the 3k gems that should go to him. nobody has took his spot yet lol

[mighty haven]

Most unexpected mirror matchup win

especially when this was near the end

[worthy knoll]

Mmh? I think you can win that T1 though even with CP gap.

Something like
Blanc/Biscuit/free/free/free

Blanc will get Biscuit buff, Biscuit will die reduce RL BG from the already slow team, your other units are free from damage. You have like 5 seconds to burst with Blanc and at least kill their Blanc and RH quickly. Prolly a Scarlet Emi RH will work just fine 🤔

[velvet sky]

hmm def need emi in t2 bc with scalter it’s -30k cp + she’s only b7 & 0 atk lines so doubt she’d wipe t2, can throw jackal in t1 tho for more chances to survive but still idk with that huge penalty granted i don’t really have much faith in even double buffed scarlet either anymore

bruh now he started overloading something bc t2 suddenly jumped from 530k to 543k

[worthy knoll]

No need for Jackal on T1, the free slots are guaranteed to survive, enemy lineup is just RL SR and one AR which will all focus on P1 Blanc. So only P2 at risk but you only need Blanc to last until you burst with her so P2 Biscuit is fine, blanc will trigger Biscu S2 before Biscu dies.. though P1 P2 defender can also work, like Blanc Centi Scarlet RH Biscuit, though there may be risk that Blanc will indom Centi

[worthy knoll]

Imo, he is actually quite weak in CPfor someone in the 380s 🤔

[velvet sky]

man 200k deficit hello penalty my old friend

but eh yolo

[worthy knoll]

Thats why I preferred Emi

So that CP gap won't be as much high

[velvet sky]

hmmm

[worthy knoll]

Well the worst case is RH survive and she just lifesteals you

Oh just 17k gap between Centi and Emi

[velvet sky]

my sanis is second beefiest but it’s too slow now

[worthy knoll]

Well you can also gamble with Crown, replace Blanc with her

RH Crown burst with Biscuit S2 triggering crown S2, and almost no reload on Scar

Yeah maybe, Crown might be better than Blanc, but yeah, no sustain after care though but given its a do or die battle, think its better to just go all in

[velvet sky]

hmmm

[brisk lily]

Which burst would be better for PvP? SSakura or Redhood's? I have them both on the same team.

[worthy knoll]

The SAnis makes it feel as slow as the enemy though

[worthy lake]

Hi guyss this attk comp ok ? sp arena

[velvet sky]

yeah this is better but -23k cp

and like i have literally all my pvp units overloaded with lvls too so can’t squeeze out anything more there, only rerolling some lines is left for later

[worthy knoll]

I feel its better to gamble with Crown.. coz I feel even if use Blanc if fail to wanpan RH, it'll still be the same results coz RH will just lifesteal.. also at least you can use Blanc on a different team if you do too. 🤔

[velvet sky]

okie let’s yolo but last attempt for today bc alr wasted gems on him

rip

[worthy knoll]

What happened?

[velvet sky]

my t2 didn’t work either anymore after he overloaded smth lul

[worthy knoll]

I mean the T1

Mmh though T2, was it the Noah Emilia team?

[velvet sky]

i feel like blanc would be better bc she’s b10 + indom

[worthy knoll]

Maybe it would have been better if you place Rapu on P1 instead.. like Rapu Noah Anis Emi Jackal 🤔

Wow that Laplace laser.. oh right their RH on mid so she would burst instead of Blanc

[velvet sky]

but yeah like i said before don’t have faith in scarlet anymore

[worthy lake]

@umbral crown

[worthy knoll]

Oh was your T2 on penalty? Emi on penalty can't one hit using Nuke

[worthy knoll]

Ahh it really is on penalty

Don't use 2 RL Emi on penalty

[velvet sky]

i won this like literally 2h ago before he overloaded smth there

[worthy knoll]

Why did you not use Jackal?

[worthy knoll]

Oh I got confused, this has Centi but your T1 has Centi on the vid

[velvet sky]

i did my ss are just all over the place

mf noticed my flops & rushed to ol his t2

[worthy knoll]

Well its 450k vs 543k then yeah your on penalty

I think its safe to replace Anis

Yeah its 2 RL with feed if using SBS (well assuming she has higher CP than Anis), just place Rapunzel to P1 to get some. Quantum Jackal and either Noah or Emi makes it also 2 RLwithout feed 🤔

[velvet sky]

only +3k diff bc didn’t ol her last piece

have to someday reroll all stats too bc they’re all crap aside 1 ele line

[worthy knoll]

Well you need to be at least 460k CP to be safe from penalty

[velvet sky]

this cursed bracket just decided to gather all whales in one place, only c4 is beatable without any huge problems

wanted to say when’s my isekai time to finally different bracket for once but it wouldn’t be any better anyway

100% would be infested by whales too

[umbral crown]

[worthy lake]

Is ok I beat him

I copy his same comp vs , I have cp advantage

[glad meteor]

I hate sp ranking system, most the time you’re just at someone’s mercy. No matter how good you are

[umbral crown]

on team 2?

[worthy lake]

T2 skip

T3 I dump high cp units 30% deficit

T1 I copy

[umbral crown]

i see

glad it worked

[tawny lily]

Should i keep my team or change the units in it?

[umbral crown]

share your nikkes but without selectiing anyone

[tawny lily]

not having rapunzel and scarlet meant i can't just copy teams i found

[glad meteor]

Just had a game with no target skip, feels like a soft patch happened

[umbral crown]

Noah/Noise/S.Anis/Biscuit/Centi
SBS/Noir/Liter/Blanc/Jackal
Rosy Ocean/M.Privaty/Ssakura/D wife/Anis

[umbral crown]

everythings a bout what units you have

[tawny lily]

ok

[lone sequoia]

current sp or rookie team?

[velvet sky]

and whales shouldn’t even be there bc they don’t even need those gems anyway, they can buy whole gem shop if they want to

[lone sequoia]

we have 1 day more for sr...

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

more mats

[velvet sky]

but fr if champ will be 5v5 in same bracket and without lvl cap I’ll finally quit this bs, no more pvp for me

[brisk lily]

^

[glad meteor]

Me too. If there’s gemming. I’m over it

[umbral crown]

no level cap means you can win

[coarse lake]

just think of it as extra optional income

[umbral crown]

you already have skill and experience

[umbral crown]

could be Ssakura if you have 2 buffers for her or RH

[lone sequoia]

i changed the cube on nero to damage reduction and double taunt worked

[coarse lake]

as in, she died too early without it?

[lone sequoia]

yep, no gear lv5 or good effects and quiry burst lv7

[umbral crown]

but better show full team to see. Tohfuu

[umbral crown]

[lone sequoia]

can you help with pu teams?

[coarse lake]

ah yeah nero has self dmg reduction

and hp increase

so more dmg reduction has better effect, but more hp% has diminished effect

[lone sequoia]

vigor lv8 to damage reduction lv3

[coarse lake]

the more dmg reduction you already got, the more valuable more dmg reduction is

[lone sequoia]

extra 7%

and also use healing cube this time on rapu since she doesn't have to tank a nuke

[glad meteor]

I got sr smg doll for her and ludmilla, dolls take forever though

[coarse lake]

for pvp nikkes that I want the SR dmg reduction on, I usually just keep them on lvl 0 SR doll

don't wanna waste kits on getting lvl 15 R and all that, if I plan to keep them at lvl 0 SR anyway

[glad meteor]

I want my nero to p1 tank for ca I’m not cooking though

[umbral crown]

yeah in some minutes

[lone sequoia]

tia/moran/bay/sanis/sugar
maid privaty/scarlet/anis/rosanna/bsoda
viper/x/blanc/neon/quiry-----------x(harran, ein, summer sakura)

[coarse lake]

oh yeah that was fairly close

[spiral onyx]

When it comes to damage reduction vs max HP, you want to do the math.

If the team has no pre-burst healer (e.g. no Rapunzel), you want to optimize for eHP (effective HP), which is base HP x (100% + total max HP buffs) x (100% + total damage reduction buffs). Essentially, because HP buffs and damage reduction buffs are both additive within the same category but multiplicative with the other category, you want a balance of both for maximum effective HP. The exception for this is if you can stack enough to reach 100%+ damage reduction, which will result in all damage being reduced to 1, which is better than more max HP.

If the team has a healer, you want to stack damage reduction under the assumption that the heals are calculated based on the caster's total HP as opposed to the healed unit's HP. This is because the heal amount is fixed so each heal will be a bigger percentage of your total max HP (while your eHP stays the same)

.
Afaik, Nikke heal calculations work the same way as a standard MMO so all normal min maxing for eHP and max healing works the same.

Practically though, this is just all min maxing that won't really change any fight. You are probably more gated based on the cube levels you have.

[coarse lake]

I don't think they scale the same though? if you have 50% HP, adding another 10% to it is diminished returns compared to 0% hp + 10%, but if you have 50% DR, adding another 10% is more value than 0% DR + 10%

DR should scale inverse with how other stats work, the more you have, the better it is

[spiral onyx]

Reread what I wrote. Additive within category, multiplicative across category

[coarse lake]

yeah but that implies you wanna balance them out, which is only the case if they both scale the same way

[spiral onyx]

They do scale the same

[lone sequoia]

the new unit will buff laplace initial burst hit?

[spiral onyx]

+50% max HP = 150% eHP
+50% damage reduction = 150% eHP
+25% max HP & +25% damage reduction = 156.25% eHP

156.25% > 150% but not by much, there's no real practical difference

This is ignoring def, which is only ~1% anyway and pretty useless in PvP

If def was percent based like in most other games rather than fixed subtraction, then it would be additive to damage reduction

[coarse lake]

Assuming 2000 Base HP:
Additional +10% HP = 2200 (10% Gain) (2000 x 1.1)

With Initial +50% HP = 3000 HP
Additional +10% HP = 3200 (6.67% Gain) (Diminished returns) (2000 x 1.6)

Assuming 2000 Base HP:
Additional +10% DR = 2222.2 (11.1% Gain) (2000 / 0.9)

With Initial +50% DR = 4000 HP
Additional +10% DR = 5000 HP (25% Gain) (Increased returns) (2000 / 0.4)

I'm assuming the eHP formula relating to dmg reduction is initial eHP / (1-DR%)

bc when DR% is like 99%, eHP is multiplied by 100

it shouldn't scale like eHP x (1+DR%), or else 99% DR is just doubling your eHP

[lone sequoia]

then change bsoda-sugar

[coarse lake]

+50% dmg reduction should be 200% eHP though?

you're halving the dmg you take

[spiral onyx]

You're right, I'm dumb

[lone sequoia]

people playing with math, while i go with the feeling

[spiral onyx]

eHP = Base HP x (100% + total max HP buffs) / (100% - total damage reduction buffs)

So yeah, you still need to do the math, but they aren't 1:1 in value

Actually, I think we can do the math for Nero assuming max skill levels and lvl 15 SR doll

[coarse lake]

I think the only case where vigor cube (same lvl) is worth it over DR cube is when you don't get any other sources of DR or HP% or heals, where vigor wins out due to slightly higher % value per lvl

[spiral onyx]

Cat's Repayment
Activates when recovery takes effect. Affects self. Cat's Repayment: Damage Taken ▼ 8.43%, stacks up to 5 time(s) and lasts for 5 sec.

Lil' Paw
Activates when entering battle. Affects self.
Max HP ▲ 60.28% continuously.

[coarse lake]

lil paw and vigor are additive right?

both scaling off the base hp instead of each other?

[spiral onyx]

Yup

[coarse lake]

then she'll have hp% saturation which reduces value of extra hp%, and already has some base DR, which increases the value of dr%, dr% should win by quite a bit

[odd osprey]

hi guys. my name is MITAKA in game. nice to meet you guys

[lone sequoia]

we can just say that if we have enough time (hp) just stack damage reduction until your healer negates the taken damage(?

[lone sequoia]

hi

[spiral onyx]

With Vigor cube (9.69% max HP) and lvl 15 SR doll (17% damage reduction):

100% x (100% + 60.28% + 9.69%) / (100% - 5 x 8.43% - 17%) = 416.08%

With Tempering cube (9.69% damage reduction) and lvl 15 SR doll (17% damage reduction):

100% x (100% + 60.28%) / (100% - 5 x 8.43% - 17% - 9.69%) = 514.38%

Looks like Tempering is the clear winner here for Nero

[coarse lake]

yeah, and that's not even factoring in heals, which benefit tempering more

[lone sequoia]

what about lv8 vigor-lv3 damage... (it was lv1)

[spiral onyx]

Plug it in to the formula above

Lemme check Ludmilla, who might have diminishing returns

[lone sequoia]

i like the 7.27

[odd osprey]

So, I kinda wanted to consult about my def team since there's this one guy who keeps targetting me and it's kinda makes me frustrated. can i?

[coarse lake]

sure, post your current teams and your roster (sorted by cp)

[odd osprey]

wdyt?

[coarse lake]

oh wait vigor and tempering have same % per lvl, then vigor would never win at best tie, wait no, won't even tie, 10% DR > 10% HP assuming no other buffs at all, when you add buffs, DR should win by even larger margin

[coarse lake]

2 of your pics are of the same team

[spiral onyx]

Queenly Disposition
Activates at the beginning of Full Burst. Affects self.
Damage Taken ▼ 57.86% for 15 sec.

With Vigor cube (9.69% max HP) and lvl 15 SR doll (17% damage reduction):

100% x (100% + 9.69%) / (100% - 17% - 57.86%) = 436.32%

With Tempering cube (9.69% damage reduction) and lvl 15 SR doll (17% damage reduction):

100% x (100%) / (100% - 17% - 57.86% - 9.69%) = 647.25%

Yeah even Tempering is better for Ludmilla

[coarse lake]

I can't think of a case where same lvl vigor can even tie

[spiral onyx]

So we have not reached the point where we have enough DR stacked that Vigor is better

[coarse lake]

that would have to be 100%+ DR

+5% DR while already at 90% would double your EHP

90% DR -> 95% DR

[lone sequoia]

that depends on the utility no? some units have skills that works in base of their hp so you get get a bit in 2 sides than only 1, but for tanks yeah

[coarse lake]

oh yeah those that scale off own hp

but for own sustain, those units also get less value from their heals if they run vigor

[spiral onyx]

Fixed the math here cause I forgot to include SR doll

[coarse lake]

lemme try to plot it in desmos

[spiral onyx]

I'ma just run Tempering on all my P1 tanks, Healing on Rapunzel, then Vigor on everyone else

[lone sequoia]

i used vigor rapu to tank nukes

[spiral onyx]

Maybe if I'm lucky I'll be able to lvl 8 Tempering before Champion Arena

[lone sequoia]

2UR/SR

at least

[spiral onyx]

I never did the math for cube progression

I just went "QUANTUM 10 QUANTUM 10 QUANTUM 10!!!"

And now I have 70 extra Quantum batteries I can't use lmao

[coarse lake]

ok I forgot how to use desmos

[lone sequoia]

we need to know CA rewards, if it have final rewards or participation during the event

[coarse lake]

but yeah, in general, tempering should just be better, but for healers you can run vigor, bc it'll benefit your other units more

[spiral onyx]

I'm 99% sure it will have a title and that's gonna be all I care about

[lone sequoia]

rip me, i need lvl cap for that or i will not get a good rank

[spiral onyx]

Well, practically speaking, it doesn't even need to give any rewards. My reward will be the flex screenshot of me being R1 for Season 1

[coarse lake]

is there no one that can outwhale you?

[lone sequoia]

only resilience and quantum lv10 after a couple of months and i only have +10 mats for each

[spiral onyx]

I'm effectively at max level cap atm. There no whaling left to do

[coarse lake]

I'm saving batteries in case lvl 11+ on resil/bastion are worth it

[lone sequoia]

the other problem that i have is my guild rewards, rank 30-50 not enough to upgrade cubes and keep for dupes

[coarse lake]

my union is still in the top % bracket (top of plat)

[spiral onyx]

There's a few people who potentially will be a few levels higher cause they used their union coin to MLB liberation units, but that means their cubes are behind

[lone sequoia]

the next lv cap maybe +2 or +5 i don't think SU will add another 10lvs to the cubes

[spiral onyx]

And cubes are gonna make a much bigger difference than at most 12 levels (4 liberation units)

[lone sequoia]

nihilister treasure*

[umbral crown]

i wanna pull a keripo on that

[coarse lake]

I saw someone that complained that they spent all their chips on mlb right after they said they're gonna add cube lvls

I don't think I even feel bad

none of the liberation units are worth dupes

[lone sequoia]

pls, no sp bracket for CA

[coarse lake]

I don't think even nihil is that worth it now, plenty of higher burst gen attacker options in pvp

just not B2, ig she still has that niche

[odd osprey]

oh sorry

[lone sequoia]

more DoT units+stacks

[odd osprey]

wdyt?

[coarse lake]

T3 (Sanis) is fine, the other 2 are a bit yikes

[lone sequoia]

blanc p2, no? with jackal...

[coarse lake]

T1 might be ok?

what's your box looking like (character roster)

also, what skill invest is your sanis/emilia

[lone sequoia]

max core privaty

[coarse lake]

the priv team might be ok as a stun setup

[lone sequoia]

too slow, but if they kill p1 or p5 could work

[pastel narwhal]

how much more batteries on bottom% Diamond unions vs Platinum?

[coarse lake]

yeah it's pretty slow, and max core priv isn't gonna die that fast for sac feed

[odd osprey]

s anis is 10-10-9

[lone sequoia]

batteries? or UR currency?

[pastel narwhal]

oh whatever they call the currencies

[lone sequoia]

-100every rank(?

[coarse lake]

plat to diamond is a pretty big jump iirc

[odd osprey]

i dont have emilia since i dont get her in 100 pull

[coarse lake]

tiers within each bracket (plat, gold, etc) have marginal increases usually

do you have noise