pvp-arena

[wise horizon]

Haven’t tried yet

[umbral crown]

you should rethink about that scalet comp, some units could be used in other teams

[spare whale]

What do you suggest? I am currently investing on S anis that I just got, almost done with her.

[umbral crown]

start sending your box,at nikke tab on lobby, in-game settings > nearby > horizonal if on mobile and sort by power only

[spare whale]

Send it here or in team building?

[umbral crown]

Here

[copper creek]

sp - def :
scarlet/b.soda/bay/n102/viper
sbs/blanc/noise/drake/anis
neon/s.ros/s.sakura/maiden/tia

this is currently high copium.
as you pull more, it gets easier to improve this, so please ping us if you get more viable pvp units.

for returning players :
if being competitive in pvp is important to you, you may want to consider re-rolling as PVP brackets are grouped based on account creation date, so returning players (such as yourselves) may find it is near impossible to catch up if the gap is sufficient.

i do not advise running def teams on atk.
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[umbral crown]

[noble grotto]

I erm just want to do pvp for the gems

[umbral crown]

My emi gacha skin

[spare whale]

Yeah i started nikke during that event

[copper creek]

do you need rookie or sp

[noble grotto]

alright tysm

[umbral crown]

Will give you teams in some minutes

Kinda busy at work

[spare whale]

No problem, I appreciate your help.

[copper creek]

sp - attack :
t1 : noise/noah/s.anis/centi/jackal
t2 : - skip, place one nikke on p5 -
t3 : blanc/emi/rh/biscuit/noir

calculate deficit before attacking.
do not proceed if penalty.
formulae in pinned.

rookie - def :
scarlet/blanc/rh/emilia/jackal

sp - def :
blanc/rh/emilia/biscuit/centi
jackal/scarlet/noah/naga/sugar
m.priv/b.soda/poli/liter/anis

min. invest :
as your sync level is low, please focus on core units first before raising pvp-focused units.
poli - burst to 4

quantum cube on anis, centi, jackal.
vigor cube on noise, biscuit, rapunzel.

i do not advise running def teams on atk.
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

hang on a second, you have one more picture a couple messages after

[pure crystal]

Thank you for all the advice, but I still didn't get to the point of investing that much on PVP

[copper creek]

?

i didnt recommend anything that needed pvp invest except emilia

ur emilia dont have 4/7/7 ?

[pure crystal]

I don't even have gear on them

I only invest in my 5 NIKKEs that I use on my campaign team

[copper creek]

yea its fine

if i didnt say anything - just put random t9 lvl0 gear

[pure crystal]

I'll upgrade Emilia if I have enough stuff to upgrade her

[copper creek]

edited for a totally green/uninvested emilia

edited previous message.

do not change a working defence (aka - if your rookie or SP def is working right now, do not change it)

as for your other questions, regarding ur SP DEF teams, i personally dont like any of them - but again, if it works, it works

[pure crystal]

I mean I'm all good for Rookie Arena, but I'm totally cooked on the SP Arena.

[copper creek]

do you still need help w this? i know u posted video later, but im not checking video atm

imo sure

[pure crystal]

I can't win any battles because all players are around 100-200k above me or more

My account is a day 1 account but I only started playing in February so

[copper creek]

for returning players :
if being competitive in pvp is important to you, you may want to consider re-rolling as PVP brackets are grouped based on account creation date, so returning players (such as yourselves) may find it is near impossible to catch up if the gap is sufficient.

ok i think all backlog cleared
if i missed your message, please ping me and point me to your message so i know to look at it.

drinks time cheers all

[pure crystal]

Alright 🙏

Cheers 👋

[copper creek]

apart from the above, if u're curious to why we built teams for you the way we did, you're free to ask and i get back to you when i'm back at my desk

but severe cp deficit is not something u can overcome generally - unless opponent's teams are seriously some diabolical level of horrific

[glad meteor]

Rosanna can’t be double taunted by noise and Noah?

[copper creek]

you can, but don't count on it because if enemy rosanna in p3 ? what's the chance ur unit can hit them and taunt them in time

the reliable counter to rosanna is to either WAYYY outspeed them (nuke their team before they b1) if that's possible - it usually isn't

or revive (rapunzel, x.anne)
or sacrifice attackers

[glad meteor]

Rosanna was p2 with noise and Noah debuff from taunt but only Noah got hit

[lone sequoia]

rosanna p2 xd

[glad meteor]

Unless I’m mistaken

[lone sequoia]

is that rookie or sp?

[glad meteor]

Rookie

[umbral crown]

Noah/Noise/S.Anis/Biscuit/Rapunzel
Blanc/Emilia/Red Hood/Noir/Centi
Scarlet/Crown/Maid Privaty/Anis/Jackal

Quatum on Jackal,Centi and Anis

Emilia 4/7/7
S.Anis 7/79 or 10/10/9

[glad meteor]

Doesn’t make sense

[lone sequoia]

noah burst and normal noise taunt(?

[glacial lion]

Taunt overlap

[glad meteor]

Probably one one taunt debuff sticks. And Noah priority

[rich quail]

I talked about it with others and they helped me learn from
my mistakes, so I’m good 👍🏼

[glacial lion]

Noah normal atk cancel noise taunt

[glad meteor]

Yh, but it looks like Noah debuff took prio

[lone sequoia]

noah burst+ noise atk

[glad meteor]

I could do noah/biscuit/nihilister/emi/rh

Next reset I guess

[glad meteor]

That was the plan, I think noah attack cleanses the noise attack

[lone sequoia]

yep, depends on cs

[glad meteor]

Wait, I’m mistaken. Noah doesn’t burst in time. I though taunt stacks. That was my mistake

[lone sequoia]

then 1 taunt, but how you didn't burst before?

[spare whale]

Thank you. This works for both Atk and defense?

[lone sequoia]

rh and emi cs?

[copper creek]

i do not advise running def teams on atk.

atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order

[glad meteor]

21 emi but s1 cleansed by rosanna. 4.92 on rh

[lone sequoia]

i think you need quantum

[glad meteor]

Yh, I think i’m better off doing the matchup differently, burst too quick then emi burst get’s blocked

[glacial lion]

Her burst will be a2 burst ...

You totally rely on her normal atk hit 5 targets

[lone sequoia]

for a emi against sanis depends on enemy sanis elemental damage, sanis S2 can kill emi in the last second+ cheap damage so it doesn't matter the rosanna burst

also emi nuke can kill without buffer

[umbral crown]

defensde, attack will depend of what enemy has

[glad meteor]

Yh, you guys are right, They have no sustain so I guess I could rely on normal attacks, and switch out rh for sustain

[glacial lion]

Req alot to work...

[lone sequoia]

burst lv10 + 30%-40% atk in OL if you wanna try oneshot

[copper creek]

bro, you planned your SR teams yet?

[hallow trench]

@copper creek sp

[glacial lion]

no, im just gonna copy top team

[hallow trench]

u want me to send my rooster again ?

[lone sequoia]

then it doesn't matter, at low levels burst lv7 works

[hallow trench]

@copper creek

[copper creek]

sp - def :
blanc/rh/noir/pepper/jackal
noise/noah/sbs/s.rosanna/anis
mpriv/s.sakura/poli/neon/product23

this is currently high copium.
as you pull more, it gets easier to improve this, so please ping us if you get more viable pvp units.

i do not advise running def teams on atk.
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[hallow trench]

tyyy!!

[lone sequoia]

rookie arena?

[hallow trench]

ty very much @copper creek i will ping u if i got better units

[copper creek]

sure
edited btw

[glacial lion]

#pvp-arena message you can try this, iirc ros dispel activates at 1.5rl, sg still feed jackal, you will be 2rl and null ros burst

[glad meteor]

Felt good to use nihilister

[hallow trench]

dont have centi 😦

[glacial lion]

lol

[glad meteor]

Yh, this should work pretty well too

[misty valve]

What’re my best teams for sp arena

[lone sequoia]

i don't know the positions of your units, but that team have only 1 b1 (p1?) if liter dies you can't start your burst chain so if you swap liter for rosanna you can use bsoda/scarlet/blanc/rosanna/anis and lvlup rosanna S2 to +4 so when a unit dies she generate burst

[misty valve]

(Sanis burst is lvl 9 if that helps)

[copper creek]

edited

[worthy knoll]

Oh that is intriguing, Rosanna didn't burst on Noise despite having double taunt

[glacial lion]

cuz his noah hit last

[worthy knoll]

Doesn't matter who hits last, it should be Noah and Noise to be targetted

Like how double taunt works on SAnis

[glacial lion]

no? if 2 taunt whoever hit last will overlap

[worthy knoll]

No, to be exact, hits last will be the priority of someone doing single targetting

[worthy knoll]

But having 2 taunts, double targetting should have be to the 2 taunters like how SAnis S2 targets those who taunts her

[glacial lion]

you can try it against bs in si, boss also double hit, but it never attack 2 taunt unit at the same time

[worthy knoll]

Coz it counts as a single target atk if you mean the bombs

[glacial lion]

no, 2 gun

gun atk can focus on 1 target or 2 at the same time

you can use attract + taunt (same way how we deal with sanis), but not 2 taunt

[lone sequoia]

that attack have priority or is it random?

[glacial lion]

random for si, prio highest atk in solo raid

[coarse lake]

Her burst

[worthy knoll]

I think its still again not 2 simultaneous target for BS. Its not like SAnis S2 or Rosanna burst that says target 2 with the highest atk right on the guns description? Again how do you explain SAnis getting targetting 2 taunters instead of highest attack then?

[lunar dirge]

In pvp shield just counts as extra hp sadly

[coarse lake]

In old tests done by zixk, even her burst doesn't apply in time

[glacial lion]

cuz Attract + Taunt, not 2 taunt

they work almost the same, but diff

[misty valve]

I would appreciate any advice 🥲

[glacial lion]

Attract is a buff on your nikke, taunt is a debuff (?)

[lunar dirge]

atttract has lesser priority

[worthy knoll]

Nah, pretty sure I encountered SAnis getting 2 taunted just from Noah and Noise normal atks

[lone sequoia]

your sanis or enemy sanis? and what team?

my noise used to have more atk than my sanis

[worthy knoll]

That is why sometimes those who put their SAnis at P2 or P3 fails coz they atk Noise and Noah instead of Noah SAnis 🤔

[worthy knoll]

Enemy SAnis, my SAnis highest atk

[glacial lion]

ig due to charge speed?

if noise hit last it will work?

[worthy knoll]

Taunt should be stacking, just a matter of if single target, it prioritize attract first, then last debuff first if multiple taunts. If attack should be double target, then it should prioritize the taunters if they got double taunted whether its debuff or buff

[glad meteor]

Only if that was the case, I’d have won

[worthy knoll]

Yeah that is why I said it is intriguing

[glad meteor]

Yep, Rosanna’s always finding a way to catch me off guard

[glacial lion]

oh wait, splash also taunt or just main target?

[worthy knoll]

Splash taunts

[glacial lion]

eh... it work

but thats during noah burst...

[coarse lake]

[worthy knoll]

Try slowing yours and check on 2.5 RL

Oh wait its enemy

[glacial lion]

this is before burst, if splash also taunt, her s2 should hit noise + noah, not noise + sanis. if 2 taunt work...

[worthy knoll]

Mmh yeah so it targetted SAnis, so for debuff they don't stack even there should be a 2 taunt debuff icon on them 🤔

Who has a debuff burst taunt aside from Diesel?

[glacial lion]

idoll flower

[worthy knoll]

Oof it still just 2 sec, wanted a longer one

[glacial lion]

only diesel and that has this unique burst...

[misty valve]

Is this the wrong place to be asking?

[glad meteor]

Munch or zixk usually cooks, they’re not around atm

[glacial lion]

no, but the chefs are sleepling now, im sure they gonna clear backlog later, just wait

[umbral crown]

its the righty one

[worthy knoll]

Guess shift up realized taunt as a debuff was buggy and started to slowly shift Nikkes to attract taunt. I mean they even made Diesel to attract with her favorite item

[misty valve]

Alrighty ty 😅

[umbral crown]

just be `patient, at this time they are not really around but soon your answer will be given

[misty valve]

For sure, wasn’t trying to be pushy just didn’t want to be asking in the wrong place

[umbral crown]

[lone sequoia]

T1-ein/blanc/pepper/noir/jackal (ein lowest hp)-----sbs/blanc/noir/rosanna/jackal (sbs lowest hp)
T2-noah/moran/biscuit/sanis/anis
T3-bsoda/naga/rosanna/centi/maid privaty--- drake/bsoda/naga/rosanna/centi

blanc/sbs/pepper/biscuit/centi
moran/biscuit/sanis/anis/ludmilla
moran/biscuit/anis/sanis/drake
noah/liter/laplace-sbs/anis/centi-------ein-sbs/noir/blanc/naga/jackal---- moran/biscuit/tia/sanis/drake-bsoda (sanisp3 and bsoda-drake p4-5)

[misty valve]

So the first three are my best defense teams? And what’s the second half?

[umbral crown]

Noah/Moran/S.Anis/Biscuit/Pepper
Blanc/Ein/Liter/Centi/Jackal
Crown/Alice/SBS/Tove/Bunny Soda

[lone sequoia]

i don't know your units investment so you can swap units/teams for power deficit or just for speed

[umbral crown]

try Nesso s Teams and if they start to lose, use mine

[misty valve]

Oh okie doke

Well tyvm 😁

[misty valve]

Any suggested skill investments? I have sanis burst at 9

[velvet sky]

rng on na did the rng thing @lone sequoia is that you hahaha

[lone sequoia]

you can even try maid.privaty/noir/poli/centi/jackal or pepper p4

[lone sequoia]

maybe (?

i'm stuck at 28-40

[umbral crown]

7/7/9 or 10/10/10 S.Anis
Moran i would say 7/7/7

[umbral crown]

[misty valve]

7/7/9

I didn’t realize Moran needed so much

[umbral crown]

but ideal for S:Anis is 10/10/9

[misty valve]

I’ll have to upgrade her

[umbral crown]

but with low skills on moran paired with biscuit should be fine

[misty valve]

I’m still relatively new to the game, I just focused on getting her burst to 9 because it makes it so she has only 1 ammo without privaty, unless I’m mistaken. I was going to work on her other skills after as I still have a lot of other nikke to level up

I’ll try for 4/4/4 on the ones you suggested for now, is that a good baseline for most nikke and then upgrading the rest as needed?

[umbral crown]

yeah

take your time

anis burst 9 is what you really need, the other skills can be done when you have the chance

[misty valve]

Awesome 😁 thank you again!

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

Are we at the point again where we’re expecting rls and sr to target skip to automatic weapons?

[lone sequoia]

(? skip p1-p5?

[glad meteor]

Apologies, I meant, expecting rls and sr’s to get target skipped to automatic weapons

[lone sequoia]

?

[velvet sky]

yep me hahaha, decided to create side acc for funsies outside of jp & it gave me pilgrims so I’m keeping it

[lone sequoia]

i think most of the skips depends on cs (when some units take cover) and the initial hit or because residual, but maybe we get "direct hit" to ignore taunt

[glad meteor]

For a while after the patch my sbs/blanc comp was stable, haven’t gone back to it though

[glad meteor]

What do you mean by getting direct hit to ignore taunt?

[lone sequoia]

some kind of buff to ignore taunt

[glacial lion]

a2 ignore taunt cuz her aoe too big

[lone sequoia]

200-300 when i run out of time, maybe i need to jump to 421

[glacial lion]

stuck at cc?

[lone sequoia]

AoE team with emi and laplace(?

[lone sequoia]

28-40 hard

[glacial lion]

thats cc right?

[lone sequoia]

yep

i can lvlup puppets for RH scarlet and sanis but those mats are for diesel treasure

or roll more elemental damage...nah

[bright mantle]

can noah's invincibility be dispelled by rosanna?

[glacial lion]

Im almost there too

[glacial lion]

no

ros dispel trigger at 1.5 rl, fastest noah inv trigger at 2rl

[lone sequoia]

120 hits... no

wait, no... S1 is 1 time in the first 10 hits (?

[glacial lion]

yes

[lone sequoia]

415 i have core boxes for like+20-30 lvls more but i use those when SU add more chapters and my rocks are for CA so no OL reroll for now

[bright mantle]

how to counter jackal rosanna centi scarlet emilia

[lone sequoia]

2RL noah

+noise... depends on rosanna's damage

wait jackal p1?

[bright mantle]

scarlet p1

[lone sequoia]

scarlet/emi/centi/rosanna/jackal(?

[bright mantle]

scarlet/centi/rosanna/emt/jackal

[lone sequoia]

2RL noah+noise
i think rapu+SG+biscuit+defender can work if rapu survive scarlet burst but the SG feed on jackal should make her burst faster

[glacial lion]

that team also 2rl ros if you feed jackal

[lone sequoia]

depends on scarlet stacks+OL or rosanna OL to oneshot 1 dps

you can- noah/noise/emi/centi/jackal

stall sanis can tank that scarlet nuke? (sanis+rapu burst)

[glacial lion]

100% hp sanis, sure, but rng scar s2

[lone sequoia]

i don't remember rosanna/rosanna trade, can rosanna skip enemy rosanna if S1 is still active?

[glacial lion]

thats scar without buffer

[lone sequoia]

i mean p2 sanis...rosanna hit p1(noah)p3(biscuit) then rapu burst 1+noah+sanisp2

[glacial lion]

i dont think her s1 work properly in pvp

alot of time my ros got random hit from blanc (ar) while she still has s1 buff

[lone sequoia]

initial SG hits can cancel rosanna S1

but i don't remember a rosanna burst trade

[worthy knoll]

Rosanna burst is not single target so she still gets targeted by enemy Rosanna whether they have S2 concealment or not, or vice versa if they are on top 2 highest attacker (unless taunted)

[glacial lion]

nope

[worthy knoll]

Are you sure its not just your Alice had higher attack than Scarlet ros?

[glacial lion]

no, i mean my ros burst still target enemy ros

not a2 + pos1

[lone sequoia]

jackal shared damage

[glacial lion]

share dmg wont deactive ros s1

[worthy knoll]

Yeah shared damage does nothing on Ros targetting

[lone sequoia]

naga hit (?

[worthy knoll]

Ahh I thought you mean Ros won't target Rosanna

[glad meteor]

This one was funny. Don’t know their stats but anis being targeted

[worthy knoll]

With or without, Ros burst is not single target atk so concealment does not affects it, if Rosanna has highest atk she get hit by Ros burst

[worthy knoll]

It gets wonky if only one attacker or none, usually its P1 P2 though.. but should always snipe attackers if there are 2 or more attackers

[lone sequoia]

2-3 OL+cube lvl(?

[glad meteor]

I’m assuming it’s attacker+ highest attack and she has attack ols + doll or something.

It could be like the jackal link, but it’d be weird since it activates after 30s

[glacial lion]

Ig he put sr doll lvl15 on anis for cp padding

[worthy knoll]

Nah, its not always like that else it would always target SAnis even if they are at P4 if they are fighting. Lets just put its random if no attacker with enemies left most (position wise) units (right most on attacker's view) much more higher probability

[glad meteor]

lol, yh

[lunar dirge]

is it even dispellabletho?

[lone sequoia]

?

sp?

[lunar dirge]

you are cooked

only worth pvp units out there are scarlet s.anis,blanc and anis

[lone sequoia]

T1-bsoda/scarlet/blanc/rosanna/anis (neon-rosanna)
T2- your T2 looks fine.. maid privaty or privaty?
T3 maid privaty/harran/bay/neon/mica (neon-rosanna)

[worthy knoll]

🏃‍♂️💨

[lone sequoia]

morgan"(?

[worthy knoll]

Yah

[pastel narwhal]

new nikke?

[worthy knoll]

Was Mast parrot also named Morgan?

Coz when I saw Morgan, some pirate and parrot came to my mind

[glad meteor]

Yep

[lunar dirge]

freeman

[cedar gate]

Thanks alot

[umbral crown]

A new day has arrivef bois go bully some peopple

[polar bolt]

Any recommendation vs this setup?

Here's what I'm working with

[drifting schooner]

how did the emilia burst still hit me...hes RL3, im RL4

[lone sequoia]

noah burst gen(?

[drifting schooner]

huh?

[pliant carbon]

that's a 3 RL team now with Noah's dual shot being fixed

[drifting schooner]

wait wtf, what dual shot being fixed, what happened with that

[pliant carbon]

characters like noah/crow etc that fired two shots in campaign only used to fire one shot in arena, but they fixed it

[drifting schooner]

.........

[pliant carbon]

so noah's burst gen went up a tier

[drifting schooner]

omg...fk me

[lone sequoia]

1rock

[pastel narwhal]

I've inherited your luck Nesso, after my lucky 3 rock since 4 days ago I haven't got a single one on my main acc yet

[lone sequoia]

maybe SU lower the drop rate for people who do not use their rocks

[pastel narwhal]

idk, mine's the opposite. My alt where i don't use my rocks keeps getting them. But my main is starving of rocks but not getting enough these days

[lone sequoia]

since the last 2 weeks streak without rocks i think i gave OL to some units

[tulip sable]

Why does the community call “Clip Reloads” Clip instead of the terminology correct “Mag reloads.”

[lone sequoia]

because it is a game and we don't care if the weapons are based on a real-life firearm... i just go with RL and SG, for lower burst gen units i call them by their name

[tulip sable]

Whats does RL and SG mean?

[lone sequoia]

rocket launcher/shotgun

[copper creek]

oh zixk is here, ill just assume backlog cleared then

lets pray for rocks
... 2, ill take that

[rose zephyr]

I don't have centi :(

[drifting schooner]

any recommendations for this line up? i technically beat it by replacing centi with moran, but it was down to moran vs jackal shoot out for like a good 30 seconds...which im not sure id be able to win this way every time, i would like a more reliable win

[iron valley]

here i find myself in the need of your help guys. i got some more nikkes since last time (i think it's: s anis, dorothy, s sakura, trony, noise and i'm wondering if i can improve my defense teams a bit

current teams:
RA: Blanc, RH, Laplace, Centi, Jackal

SP R1: Jackal, Privaty, Laplace, Poli, B. Soda
SP R2: Blanc, RH, Pepper, Biscuit, Centi
SP R3: Crown, Liter, Kilo, Quiry, Anis

[supple patrol]

Man i'm kinda boned when it comes to PVP, I don't have Jackal, Anne: Miracle Fairy, Noah, Pepper, Bicuit, Anis: Sparkling Summer, and Alice. Idk what to do for Rookie and SP lol

[drifting schooner]

u dont really need anne pepper or alice, but ya, the other ones hurt

[supple patrol]

Got any recommendations of who I should run?

[wise horizon]

Any recommendations for this? @copper creek

[glad meteor]

How did I block nuke?

[worthy knoll]

They prolly not Emi 21?

[glad meteor]

Our emi’s were mirrored when hitting in the vid I think

[drifting schooner]

im not good enough for that lol

[glad meteor]

There’s also rosanna at play I guess

They may have reset their emi, don’t know why

[worthy knoll]

Ahh nvm, their Emi whiff the second shot? Mmh if you notice SAnis didn't get the block on 2nd Emi icicle 🤔

[glad meteor]

Ah, so it was a whiff. Thanks

It looks like the icicle hit noah, but didn’t hit biscuit

Cs weird stuff maybe

[worthy knoll]

Well the glacier bloom icicle animation didn't show on the 2nd shot

[prime cloud]

how does sp arena brackets work? since i notice only 2 guys in mine are past 160lv

[wise horizon]

thanks but i dont have noah on this account >.<

[drifting schooner]

@coarse lake i mean it worked, but was sbs spposed to die first? 😂

[iron valley]

no s.anis and s.sakura? damn. and i used so many gems just to get 1 copy of her

[coarse lake]

if their emi is too weak, sbs is fine, if they're too strong, yeah sbs will die first, that's why rapu is there

p1 and p3 being defender means only sbs will die as well, so yeah it's a failsafe

either way you still have much longer indom remaining than their emi

safest comp I know of

[drifting schooner]

• chefs kiss*

[drifting schooner]

is it good enough to set as rookie def team tho?

[coarse lake]

no, it's purely meant as a counter

[drifting schooner]

damn, ok

[coarse lake]

blanc emi is good enough to set as rookie def though

[drifting schooner]

so copy his?

[coarse lake]

yeah

[drifting schooner]

then should i up emi burst to 10

[coarse lake]

not really

mine's still 4/7/7, but you can if you want

my emi has a lot of atk% lines, so she doesn't need it

[drifting schooner]

mine has 1 atk line, and 3 charge dmg lol

[coarse lake]

I also keep my emi very squishy, so indom always goes to her

[iron valley]

scalter?

[drifting schooner]

which cube

[wise horizon]

is this good enough? @coarse lake @worn field

[coarse lake]

bastion if you got ammo lines, resil if you don't I think

[worthy knoll]

Umu not bad, its tanky enough to survive a unbuffed Scarlet.. prolly need an SR doll on Quiry though.. and prolly DR cube 🤔

[drifting schooner]

i got 1 44% ammo line

[coarse lake]

but just use highest lvl cube, as long as emi doesn't have to reload around when her indom is about to expire, you're fine

[drifting schooner]

ah

[coarse lake]

oh that's an interesting sustain 2 rota comp, nuke them with emi at the end

[polar bolt]

Thanks man, really appreciate the help

[worthy knoll]

Yeah, trying to simulate def targetting scenario.. want them to be forced to use a buffed scarlet or a Blanc RH buffed Emilia to win against it

They will lose though if they use SAnis not sure on Scalter, sadly I have no players in my bracket who use a Scalter team on their def

Well there are prolly some but I heavily cp gap them

[copper creek]

not yet

was waiting for people who know more than me

then i can try to make it make sense

[worthy knoll]

Though I'm already using stall and delayed B3 against SAnis teams for attack since the beginning.
#pvp-arena message

[copper creek]

[gaunt coral]

def recommendation sp arena please, dont have xanne/noah

[copper creek]

yeah sure

give me a sec let me cook shiro's def squad first then i get to you

actually do i want to help shiro
your box looks like someone ive been fighting

ok anyway

[copper creek]

hey, to confirm for me that i am not blind, you dont have noah ?

[gaunt coral]

yes no noah

[coarse lake]

2 ammo sanis should be viable I think, but you really want lvl 9

[worthy knoll]

Wasn't it 9 needed to be privaty independent?

[copper creek]

**sp - def : **
blanc/emilia/rh/biscuit/centi
jackal/scarlet/scalter/poli/noir
rapunzel/pepper/s.anis/bay/b.soda

**min. invest : **
emilia - 4/7/7
s.anis - 7/7/9 (minimum) // 10/10/9 (ideal)
poli - burst to 4

quantum cube on anis, centi, jackal.
vigor cube on noise, biscuit, rapunzel

tempering cube (not urgent, take your time with this) at your own discretion, priority: noah > blanc > other def taunters & units as required.

**for returning players : **
if being competitive in pvp is important to you, you may want to consider re-rolling as PVP brackets are grouped based on account creation date, so returning players (such as yourselves) may find it is near impossible to catch up if the gap is sufficient.

i do not advise running def teams on atk.
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

ok let's go, what do you need @worn field

[gaunt coral]

thank you

[copper creek]

fml i am way too drunk for my own good

👍

[worthy knoll]

Ahh that was for attack, I thought it was for def team

[copper creek]

np, good luck!
i like potatoes too w

[coarse lake]

I'm interested in an explanation too

never really understood it

[copper creek]

the explanation is

this game can go f itself sometimes

[wise horizon]

This one is kinda tough for me to figure out. Any suggestions?

[worthy knoll]

Shenanigans

[coarse lake]

T1: Noise/Bscar/Rapunzel/Jackal/Noah (Noise higher atk than Rapunzel)
T2: Blanc/Emilia/RH/Biscuit/Centi
T3: Skip

[copper creek]

sp - attack:
t1 : noah/noise/scalter/biscuit/jackal
t2 : blanc/emi/rh/biscuit/centi
t3 : scarlet/blanc/rh/centi/jackal

skip t3 if you have penalty on t3.
otherwise, skip one at your own comfort level

calculate deficit before attacking.
do not proced if penalty. formulae in pinned.

[inner oyster]

I need 3 Defense teams for SP arena. I'm willing to invest in good PVP units like S.Anis and Jackal.

[copper creek]

wait is this the noahless account @wise horizon

[coarse lake]

nah it's got noah

[copper creek]

oh right ok perfect

oh right its even in the ss

sorry visiting 6 bars in one night was obviously not the ideal strat

[wise horizon]

Lol! Sorry 🙂

In japan?

[coarse lake]

every other time I see munch in this chat, he's drunk

[copper creek]

no in singapore, tokyo soon though!

[copper creek]

at the start of the year, i said my new years' resolution was to try 500 different alcoholic beverages over the course of the year... lol... how naive i was...

[coarse lake]

[wise horizon]

Haha!!

[copper creek]

questions:
is this all your SSRs?
what is your s.anis invest?
do you have emilia?

[copper creek]

go look at my status 😅

[inner oyster]

These are all my SSR's, My S.Anis invest is only all LVL 4 right now, and yes I have Emilia.

[coarse lake]

wait.... 775 different drinks already?

[copper creek]

yes 😅

[coarse lake]

the year's only half over

well more like 75%

[copper creek]

blame the japanese, when i was in tokyo there were some nights i did 30+ different drinks in a night

[coarse lake]

is your goal 1k now?

[worthy knoll]

Better in Kabukicho

[copper creek]

no, my goal is to give up alcohol after my next project

[coarse lake]

something tells me you won't be able to give up alchohol so easily

[copper creek]

is my discord messing up?
when i open ur img in browser i can see ur emilia
when i see ur image in discord i cant see the emi

weird

[inner oyster]

It's on the top right

[worthy knoll]

Nah, your just drunk

[granite anchor]

it's on the top right, he's using default costume so you probably don't recognize

[copper creek]

nah its pretty easy, im okay with or without it
i might open a bar in tokyo as a side quest thats why im just trying to learn lol

[inner oyster]

my monitor is wide

I can send again if it helps

[copper creek]

nah refreshing discord did it for me, this fckn app

no need its good

[inner oyster]

That's good

[copper creek]

**sp - def : **
scarlet/noir/poli/dkw/jackal
ein/rh/emilia/laplace/drake
emma/s.rosanna/s.sakura/anis/centi

**min. invest : **
! as your sync level is low, please focus on core units first before raising pvp units.

emilia - 4/7/7
s.anis - 7/7/9 and resilience cube (minimum mandatory to be useable)

**please include in your wishlist : **
missilis : liter
tetra : blanc, biscuit

**for returning players : **
if being competitive in pvp is important to you, you may want to consider re-rolling as PVP brackets are grouped based on account creation date, so returning players (such as yourselves) may find it is near impossible to catch up if the gap is sufficient.

(if you are not a returning player, i pray that you break 160 wall - fast)

i do not advise running def teams on atk.
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[copper creek]

this is nothing new
im pretty sure i consume more alcohol than all the active contributors here combined

@velvet sky hello madam i see u

[worthy knoll]

To whom do I give this

[copper creek]

to me , preferably

[wise horizon]

There’s 2 biscuits on T1 and T2 lol

[copper creek]

yeah, based on your comfort - skip one

follow eon's teams @wise horizon

[worthy knoll]

The only SR I use is RH.. well it'll be gathering dust I guess until I get Ein.. or maybe I should start progressing PVE team like Exia

[copper creek]

alice wants a word w u

[worthy knoll]

Alice who?

I'm tempted to reset my Alice tbh

[inner oyster]

Thank you

[worthy knoll]

Coz I'm using SAnis SSakura now for my Tetra tower

[copper creek]

f u

just use her as cp pad

[worthy knoll]

Thats the thing.. she can't even be cp pad

[copper creek]

huh
wtf wack box did you build

[worthy knoll]

I was no Alice since game release then I got her.. when RH was released

[copper creek]

but yeah, dont reset alice bro
shes great in raids

[worthy knoll]

She is not even on my top 20 cp

Same with Scalter

[copper creek]

how on earth is your box even weirder than zixk's :kekw:

[worthy knoll]

Nero cp vs Crown cp.. you can imagine my neglect on my pve units

[copper creek]

no idea how u even fight for 3% in SR 😅

[worthy knoll]

Simple, I don't

[coarse lake]

smart

mirror container SR gonna be a nightmare

gonna need electric and also a high enough dmg SR/RL on every team

[worthy knoll]

Well I'll just auto it as usual and just wait for my 1k gems

[coarse lake]

my alice should be done in a few days, so will have to scramble to work on ein

legit can't get a break

[umbral crown]

[wise horizon]

Yeah was gonna skip T3 and do T1/T2 (double biscuit) but then even if I follow @coarse lake , rapunzel is missing here. >.<

[coarse lake]

oh

is your T3 in deficit

[worthy knoll]

Well when SR came up, I was on a crossroad, do I power up my PVE units or do I power up my PVP units. Then I asked myself, if I powerup my PVE units do I have a chance on getting high rank as someone who doesn't spend. My answer was no, so I went all in for my PVP units instead

[coarse lake]

smart lol

I'm doing a mix, but more of a focus on pve, never gotten sub 3% in NA

[worthy knoll]

Instead of fighting an entire server pool, I better just focus on my bracket pool

[coarse lake]

although this one might be my best chance

got sanis, and alice will finally be done

the frames might look pretty good too, prob similar to crystal chamber

[worthy knoll]

I'm not much of a cosmetics person, I'm content with the gold ranking frame

[copper creek]

would it make sense for you to do t1/t3 instead?
anis in the non-blanc team in place of jackal since i probably used it twice

calculate deficit before attacking.
do not proceed if penalty.

[coarse lake]

yeah if you can fight t3 without deficit, then do it

[copper creek]

on another note, im super tempted to burn all my silver tickets for mlb noah and 2lb laplace

[coarse lake]

I got a copy of lappy, still need 1 more, will be patient and maybe get it from wishlist

don't have enough maint kits anyway, so it's a long term plan

[glad meteor]

My noah having 4.92 more cs than biscuit p2 is stopping emi from extending her icicle to p2/3. Happened twice now

[coarse lake]

wot

[copper creek]

i already went to silver mileage one for 1lb

[coarse lake]

do you have vid of that happening

[glad meteor]

Yh

[worthy knoll]

Now your Noah is a professional Emi iframer

[worthy knoll]

His latest one above is already one

[coarse lake]

ah

yeah your noah made their emi miss her second shot each time

[glad meteor]

If it missed I’d see the icicle whiff, I think

[velvet sky]

[worthy knoll]

Can you make it landscape view when you record it, or is it always like that regardless of view? Coz you might think its hitting Noah but its not, icicle passing can't be seen coz the frame is so tight

[coarse lake]

nah it misses

[glad meteor]

I could try later

[coarse lake]

emi does 116k to p2 and p3 cover

after first shot

biscuit and noah did not take 116k dmg on second shot either, so it whiffed

[glad meteor]

Oh

Just confusing since I can’t see the icicle

[coarse lake]

yeah it's easier to see on landscape

[wise horizon]

I had a look and changed it and it’s at 17% deficit for T3

[glad meteor]

Different result now. Ros Nuke not blocked

[coarse lake]

what team for T3?

can probably bring it down to within deficit

[wise horizon]

@coarse lake

[coarse lake]

post your roster by CP

[copper creek]

Post your box, and include "roster 1 (has noah, no rapunzel)" in your message
If you post your box for second account anytime in future, please include "roster 2 (no noah and rapunzel)" in your message

[coarse lake]

yeah that would be very helpful

[worthy knoll]

Is it the same guy? Don't tell me going Portrait or Landscape affects battle simulations now

[coarse lake]

roster 1 (noah, no rapunzel)

[glad meteor]

Same guy

[worthy knoll]

[coarse lake]

yeah very rng, don't rely on enemy whiffing

[copper creek]

What the f is this rubbish game?

That is not a sentence I ever expected to see???

[wise horizon]

Roster 1 (noah, no rapunzel) @copper creek @coarse lake

[worthy knoll]

If you go back to portrait, your Noah is iframing again?

[copper creek]

if we can verify this with video ?

[coarse lake]

replace centi with noir (as long as noir has lower atk than scarlet)

[glad meteor]

I don’t know, I’ll attack later, if it’s ok?

[copper creek]

no rush dw about it

[glad meteor]

This was landscape

[glad meteor]

Portrait

[coarse lake]

then just fight T2

eh maybe t1 actually

[copper creek]

nani the f

[worthy knoll]

Please SU, don't tell me, you calculate RL distance to target using current screen resolution values

[iron valley]

what is considered a stall team?

[coarse lake]

try it again on portrait and see if it whiffs again

[coarse lake]

a team with multiple healers that is designed to last until full burst is over

[worthy knoll]

I think that is more as a semi stall team if B3 is a offensive one like SAnis.. while a true stall team is any team that uses Quiry as she is the only one atm who has a B3 heal

[coarse lake]

yeah ig

you could call those a sustain team, like god comp

[copper creek]

if this turns out to be true
lets send a protest truck to SU office

[glad meteor]

I reset the game and just tried. Didn’t whiff this time

Although, the animation feels different. They may have more cs this time

[worthy knoll]

Imagine

Troubled Player: why are my RLs whiffing, how to fix?

Munch: try changing your screen resolution, proceeds to show calculations using Euclid and Pythagorean theorem

[copper creek]

NO

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

[prime mango]

What comp counter this? I remember being a link in pins but don’t got a lot time since it full of character reviews

[copper creek]

bro if i have to do that
i think i will legit chargeback all my transactions to this game, not even saying this in jest

that would have to be the singular most regarded gameplay mechanic of all time, in the history of video games

[copper creek]

assuming this is rookie,
2rl noah + sbs/s.anis

if this is sp,
please show us all 3 def teams, with the round1/2/3 buttons visible

[prime mango]

No, just rookie and im salty. 2rl is rocket launchers? Sorry. Could I get clarification of sbs lol

[copper creek]

what lvl is ur quantum cube

[coarse lake]

2rl in the context of pvp is the time it takes for a team to reach full burst, aka 2 seconds

[prime mango]

7 ma brotha

[prime mango]

Ahh gotcha

[copper creek]

**rookie - atk : **
noah/noise/s.anis/emilia/jackal

level 7 quantum cube on jackal mandatory.
resilience cube on s.anis mandatory.

calculate deficit before attacking.
do not proceed if penalty.
formulae in pinned.

[worthy knoll]

Let A be enemy teams's P2 while C is your teams P5 RL and A being your P1 RL. Let line BC distance is your horizontal resolution, while your like AD be your vertical resolution.. now we insert your units B and C's CS then we calculate for the best AD and BC

[prime mango]

Thank you. I try it out

[copper creek]

edited my msg

[prime mango]

Lmao barely

[copper creek]

i'd rather die than do this for a game 🙂

[prime mango]

It worked tho

[copper creek]

yeah that was kinda the idea 😂

if u want something less scary

sbs/noah/noise/emilia/jackal
be aware that now emilia (assuming your emi is 4/7/7 and not a emi21) and jackal need that quantum cube

before proceeding with the above team, maybe ask merry about positioning
i dont typically run noah+noise for 2rl, so he knows better than me

typically you never run s.anis against scarjack, but i wanted a bit of excitement before i go to gym, so sorry if that fight gave u heart attack

[prime mango]

It okay. It worked

[worthy knoll]

Is that team 2 RL?

[granite anchor]

yea, with quantum(s)

2rl noah is pretty easy to make now

[glad meteor]

2 RL rosanna comps in rookie

[copper creek]

yes, but the s.anis variant will feed jackal

i just wanted to scare him a little bit

[prime mango]

I got a somewhat built Rosanna. Would that work against the comp I’m trying to beat?

[worthy knoll]

Looked it in the calc, feed or not feed, its still the same

[copper creek]

define somewhat built

[worthy knoll]

2 RL

[prime mango]

All OL 1, 5/5/7

[copper creek]

insufficient

[prime mango]

Max OL needed?

[copper creek]

4/4-7/10 AND 30%+ ATK lines on OL (50% against teams with 5x SR15 doll)

[prime mango]

Straight attack I assume, not ele

[copper creek]

yes not ele

she doesnt need ele in pvp
b7 will kill emilia due to elemental advantage

however, i dont recommend this because it typically causes more problems than it solves

aka ok now ur emilia is dead, now good luck dealing with this b1+b3+indom rh that u werent prepared for

[prime mango]

Watch me go to 0 with no attack

Also, she need doll?

[velvet sky]

[worthy knoll]

Gimme those rocks

[granite anchor]

now that noah has a lot of burst gen i wonder if you could just run like noah/biscuit/rosanna/b3 and beat emilia teams even if you don't kill RH

[copper creek]

i want those.....

[velvet sky]

/looks at those rocks, prepares a huge bag/

[worthy knoll]

Not necessarily need dolls, but any increase to her base attack is beneficial

[prime mango]

Thanks ma brotha. I work on making Rosanna good then

[coarse lake]

is tempering better than vigor? similar %s

[copper creek]

essentially same thing

[coarse lake]

but there is some very slight dilution if using SR cube

wouldn't that make vigor better if the nikke has an SR cube (10% DR)

[worthy knoll]

I prefer tempering for my stall team

[copper creek]

10% def is 10% eHP

so eh
i personally like tempering better anyway

[coarse lake]

ig tempering makes healing worth more

[copper creek]

that and also i free up vigor slots that i can use to manipulate for blanc indom if needed

[worthy knoll]

I mean like if my lud gets one damage if using tempering vs using vigor but still get a bit of damage, I'll go with tempering #pvp-arena message

[coarse lake]

well ok, but that's a lud thing

need to actually be able to reach there

or at least get close enough

wait wouldn't tempering be better the more DR you have

80% DR to 90% DR is halving the dmg you take

[copper creek]

yea

[worthy knoll]

Lets say You have 4M hp, while vigor cube gives you 400k (well less since 9.%ish). Enemy normal atks hit you 100k. Lets say tempering gives you 10%, each normal atk is now 90k.

Lets just think it as normal atk fight

With Vigor cube, it will take enemy to use 44 normal atks before they kill your 4.4M hp unit

With DR cube, it will take 44.4444 atks to kill your 4M hp unit.. well its kinda roughly the same but DR cube has a slight advantage 🤔

[coarse lake]

I just did it as 2000 / 0.85 vs 2000 / 0.9 * 1.05

2352.9 vs 2333.3

[worthy knoll]

Is DR cube max (s3) 15%?

[coarse lake]

I just calced cubes as 5%

for lvl 1 I think

[worthy knoll]

Oh guess they both cap at 9.69

[raven plover]

yes

[prime mango]

Got bastion and resilience cubes to 10 and quantum to 7. Should level quantum to 10 or work on others to 7?

[umbral crown]

Quatum to 20

[fading heath]

Hey guys, in SP arena, does it matter where I put scarlet if she shares dmg with Jackal?

[copper creek]

yes

[umbral crown]

Si

[copper creek]

suggest you hold off first
september patch - harmony cube max lv. will increase

[prime mango]

You laugh, but I kept buying resilience thinking it leveled higher than 10

[umbral crown]

Soon it will

I would quatum to 20

Ez

[worthy knoll]

Yeah roughly the same with HP cube then, but in terms of effectiveness, Vigor prolly better for healer tankers, while DR cube better for units that have high defense coz the more the enemy damage get cut,the bigger the effect of the def stat is 🤔

Like lets say Moran has 50k def, enemy hitting 100k each, which makes it 50k per hit if we include def. Lets say with DR cube, it helped you get to 50% DR, it dropped to 50k each, then 0 or more like 1 with def subtraction factoring in. Yeah I guess its more advantageous for attacks that don't hit much. While for nuke damage, its roughly the same when using Vigor. And if it helps you reach a DR% where the final damage due to DR < unit's def, it becomes more better than Vigor🤔

[prime mango]

Dangggg I 5 head megamind 5000IQ

[umbral crown]

Yes

[keen vapor]

Using Moran and Summer Anis hasn't improved my ratio of successful defenses

At the very least I can say it hasn't become worse

[copper creek]

why are you using moran in def

oh right , noahless

[worthy knoll]

Well more like, everyone got SAnis too.. with them having SAnis, the flexibility of their atk comp increased too.. so its kinda a break even scenario

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Yeah, there's new challengers this season

[copper creek]

whats ur current def lol

approx 3h to solo raid, good luck bois and gals

[keen vapor]

Good question

Emilia/Blanc/RH/Rapunzel/Jackal

Noise/Crown/Scarlet/SBS/Anis

Moran/Pepper/Biscuit/Summer Anis/Centi

CP isn't well distributed

[keen vapor]

Huh

So soon

[copper creek]

discord search not working for me, link me the message to your box

[keen vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177116972593463316/1268278429665595473/Screenshot_20240731-124106.png?ex=66ad2955&is=66abd7d5&hm=d7520f70291df972e7a0c79bb0d91fa7be7a2b5c7f41e2ec77d5597ba1308736&

Huh, so it does that

[copper creek]

link to msg not image please

[keen vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177116972593463316/1268278429082718279/Screenshot_20240731-124043.png?ex=66ad2954&is=66abd7d4&hm=b86ad1c6de54aa2bb10358a61863fbf845a2f9676f76b58da3fb76943262d213&

[thorny sequoia]

After over 4500 pulls, I FINALLY got OG SCARLET 2 days ago lol

Now I will be ready for Championship Arena, I should be able to make 5 teams

Last key Nikke I need now is Rapunzel 🙏

[keen vapor]

Sorry I'm copying the link but it does that

[copper creek]

copy message link , not image link

anyways :

[keen vapor]

#pvp-arena message

[keen vapor]

I'm still missing Noah share

[thorny sequoia]

Noah is good, don't get me wrong, super duper good.

But Jackal damage share is busted AF

[keen vapor]

I said share

[crystal flicker]

I befriend with these mfs in game, and yet they still attack me, only to get defeated by the others lmao

[copper creek]

where is ur s.anis in this pic

[copper creek]

questions:
what is your s.anis invest? (skills, doll, ?OL?)
what is your emilia invest? (4/7/7, 21 or 24.7?)

[mighty haven]

The yoyo swings in new servers are great

[keen vapor]

10/10/9
Doll... Either 5 or 10 R

Full overload but only 1 attack line

Emilia is triple seven

Not enough charge speed

[copper creek]

hmmm

ok so your box missing noah, bay

[keen vapor]

Shouldn't have skipped her

[copper creek]

this might be the most frustrating box i dealt with

because so much potential - you got all the dps units
but idk how to protect them

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

[velvet sky]

[mighty haven]

Tell that to C1 in my lobby

[copper creek]

ps one more question: do you have poli

[umbral crown]

How you fight moran?

[copper creek]

depends on the rest of team

[umbral crown]

Let ssay an op team you can think of

[copper creek]

most likely i skip her and fight the other 2 if i know the opponent has a maxed moran

[glossy coral]

i dont. I am wish listing jackal too

[umbral crown]

I could fight him , im 617k

[copper creek]

https://streamable.com/8vh70a

inb4 garbage like this happens

[glad meteor]

Can moran stall buffed sanis or sbs (without biscuit)

[umbral crown]

Waos

[coarse lake]

no

[mighty haven]

Literal 1 vs 5, yeep

[worthy knoll]

Uhm

[umbral crown]

Waos, moran Soloed 4 units

[mighty haven]

They hit ~700k CP in 2 months

[copper creek]

**rookie - def : **
blanc/scarlet/rh/biscuit/centi

**sp - def : **
blanc/rh/noir/biscuit/centi
noise/noah/sbs/rapunzel/laplace
scarlet/m.priv/liter/anis/pepper

**min. invest : **
! as your sync level is low, please focus on core units first before raising pvp units.

s.anis - 7/7/9 and resilience cube (minimum mandatory to be useable)

quantum cube on anis, centi, jackal.
vigor cube on noise, biscuit, rapunzel

**please include in your wishlist : **
elysion - poli
missilis - jackal

i do not advise running def teams on atk :
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[umbral crown]

Thats a whale for you

[glossy coral]

Thank you very much sir. I'll look into the pins to counter enemy def teams

[empty shuttle]

Wait wait. They hit ~700k from time A to time B. Or they hit ~700k 2months after they created the acc?

😰

[glossy coral]

I assume the anis in sp-def team 3 is summer anis?

[mighty haven]

More or less 2 months from starting game, same time as me, if that's how they group Arena lobbies

[copper creek]

regular SR anis
anis is the 2nd fastest burst gen in this game

s.anis on the other hand is a dps

[empty shuttle]

Around 3 months. I played since Crown and saw someone with Emillia

But shees. 700k in~4 months

[umbral crown]

[frozen robin]

recommended sp arena defense team?

[frozen robin]

no sbs anywhere? im assuming this is because i dont have alice

[wise horizon]

This guy determine to finish top 3 this season. That’s two days in a row that he had to spend gems.

[forest pivot]

Hi guys, recommended Rookie & Special Arena team with my current roster? Thanks!

[fallen thorn]

hello, need recommendation on rookie and sp def please

[forest pivot]

Tysm! I think I missed a few (namely Harran, Helm , Frima and such) but I assume that wouldn't change anything right?

[copper creek]

gonna propose some change here

eh

nvm im blind, proceed with that please ^ 😅

[fallen thorn]

thank you

[umbral crown]

[wise horizon]

Is this good to go?

[limpid musk]

Hi guys, hoping to get recommendation on def teams. Been getting trampled quite regularly by maxed Rosannas which have become increasingly commonplace in my server cluster

[limpid musk]

Getting whooped on both ends

[autumn owl]

Guys which teams are useful in arena?

I'm focus on PvE, but I think I can use any of them

I play in my cellphone

All of them are meta?

?

I gonna search

I only want to know which are the most useful teams in the arena,and I would like to know if is a good idea use the same teams in both roll, attack and defend

But I gonna ask to someone else, however thnx for ur help

[worthy lake]

The meta of pve and pvp are different

The defense team cooked by zixk all , or almost all, are useful in pvp

You can do your homework in prydwen or nikkegg first

[autumn owl]

Craps, I started to play arena recently (to improve my position, before i wasn't interested

But I have seen that sometimes u can have more power or u can use the same Nikkes but I lost

I know, but for example I've seen people that win a match only with Moran alive, but I don't know which partners are better for her

What do you mean?

So, are you telling me that when you play against top 30 beyond, every time that u do it, u need to fix ur teams?

But for example usually Wich teams are use when u are offline

[unique mountain]

The good ones

Check cookin for a sec

[autumn owl]

Exactly

For example I use this team for rookie and mostly of the time I keep my position

My big problem is that mostly of the Nikkes use in pvp I got them but with low investment

[crystal flicker]

Anyone remember what is the ultimate stall comp?

[autumn owl]

That's means is useful (I'm f2p and I know that never gonna stay in top 10 but at least I want to enter in top 30

[crystal flicker]

I mean the one that use Quiry & Emma

meme comp

[autumn owl]

So can I keep on use that team for rookie? Or I need to change any units (to improve it)

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet

[autumn owl]

Ok

[worthy lake]

Example I send this I will get cooked for a sp defense team

[crystal flicker]

Thanks!

[worthy lake]

@worn field any new sp def comp for me onegai ?

[autumn owl]

I have quiry but I never use her

[coarse lake]

did the guy break through the previous one already

[worthy lake]

Already

As usual spend 100-200 gems

[coarse lake]

[worthy lake]

Your def comp he break thru with 2 tries

[coarse lake]

yeah at this point just keep making new comps to drain him of his gems ig, he'll break through eventually no matter what

[autumn owl]

Oh my gosh, this is for really tryhard gamer... I only know the basic(rocket launcher are the best for arena, then shotgun and sniper, assault rifle are useless in pvp and u should use 2/2/1 (supposedly the best is.use only one b3

Ok

[worthy lake]

Since you said you are pve, what hard mode you at

[rich quail]

I need to handle business with another consistent cp bully of mine

I can’t focus on choices rn because I have work for another 5 hours, but am I on the right track with choices?

My updated box

[crystal flicker]

Thanks!

[worthy lake]

Dear @worn field is there new cook for sp arena ? maybe 2 options pleasee

I have moran 444 t9m newly pulled

[autumn owl]

She is really op, in the first video she was fighting against one of the most useful pvp team right?

[rich quail]

My t2 is slightly in cp penalty but I can see if I can do last min adds to get me over the hump later

[autumn owl]

I want to increase my pvp position, for gems

[autumn owl]

Yes but I don't use her, I think her skill are 6/5/6

I gonna show u my teams, can I?

[worthy lake]

t3 have cp deficit against top 10, no problem ?

I mean defense, their attack will have cp advantage

[autumn owl]

Both of you are top in arena right

[polar hare]

i need some help with making a team for sp areana

[worthy lake]

moran 444 t9m
pepper 444 t9m

[autumn owl]

What's mean t9m , srry

[worthy lake]

4.92%

Shes adjucant cube rn

So 4.92+2.12 %

[worthy lake]

Tier9 manufacturer gear

[autumn owl]

Oh, ty

Can I show you my teams?

[worthy lake]

For a start ,since you are pve to pvp, max out your RH>SBS>Scar>S.anis for a start

[autumn owl]

I got all of them ol , so they are the main dps in arena right?

[worthy lake]

OL level ?

Skill level ?

[autumn owl]

Yes

[autumn owl]

Only scarlet isn't

[worthy lake]

I mean your OL level per gear, what level it is

[autumn owl]

Both scarlet need to level up their skills

[worthy lake]

Just do it

Gotcha

I am c8 only.

Dear zixk is there option 2 on this comp ? My rival will beat this by later today / tomorrow, confirm

Just want a 2nd option after he "beats" to it

Gotcha

[limpid musk]

thank you!

[worthy lake]

The leg is least priority and you are not really in a priority to level 5 the leg, (at most level 3 is fine imo) , their skills ?

But since you leveled 5 legs is fine just stay like that

[autumn owl]

Scarlet,2B, Noir,centi, jackal
Noah, Rapunzel,both anis, biscuit
Private,bs scarlet, viper ,noise, pepper.
Those are my teams for arena

And I use them for.both attack and defend

[somber dune]

hi, looking for advice for teams for sp arena and rookie, kinda wanna start taking them more seriously

[autumn owl]

By the way any of you is N/A server ?

Ok, I feel bad if I were ask for help to someone could be my enemy xp,

[somber dune]

thank you

[autumn owl]

Did you read my message about my teams

[copper creek]

happened a lot of times already

[autumn owl]

Yes but is kinda said xp

[copper creek]

i cook def team for someone here
then union member ask me for help 4 hours later

happened before kekw

[autumn owl]

My arena teams

There is

[copper creek]

anyways cheers all
will clear backlog later

a

[worthy lake]

sea

[autumn owl]

Ok

Special, for rookie I told which team I used

[worthy lake]

Hi @copper creek just wan tell you that your def comps were beaten by my rival

[copper creek]

ya i know

expected tbh i gave pretty predictable things

[worthy lake]

I see your tia's invested

[autumn owl]

Yes I use her in PvE and raid

[worthy lake]

Your liter isnt invest ? Shes king of pve b1 though

[autumn owl]

More or less

Those are my teams

The last one is the weakest, usually always lost

[worthy lake]

This is attack team bro

Its different than def team

[wise horizon]

Is this good to attack? @worn field

[autumn owl]

As I told him, I use them for both (my main question is, if I need different team for different roll

[worthy lake]

Yes you need different team

[autumn owl]

So is necessary use different team for attack and defend?

[worthy lake]

Its very necessary

[autumn owl]

Oh , craps I'm lost

[worthy lake]

Dont worry its more on management part. Your investment remain the same

[autumn owl]

So those that I show you are good for attack?

[worthy lake]

@autumn owl This is an example of people is going to launch an attack

@autumn owl

[autumn owl]

Pvp is a pain in the a$$

[autumn owl]

Tell me

[worthy lake]

SR too.

Mine bracket

[autumn owl]

Well I feel kinda sad, I became kinda confused xp, but I gonna try to fixed it

[worthy lake]

Its not difficult

Now you know defend and offense is different comp.

Just arrange 3 defense team and wait people attack you

[autumn owl]

The highest position that I arrive is 12 but the last day before the reset , s.o robbed my position xp

[worthy lake]

If you stayed at rank12 for a long time and robbed last day you will still rank 12.

Because the reward is based on points generated the longer time you stayed in your rank

[autumn owl]

So , in sample words, there are standard def, and attack teams,?

[autumn owl]

Oh, so I need to use my 2 attack every day?

[worthy lake]

uhh

[worthy lake]

2 free attacks daily, if more than 2 attacks have to use 100 gems per attack.

rookie arena is 5 attacks daily

[wise horizon]

Thanks! Also I think you have a public spreadsheet of all your attacks, right?

[autumn owl]

What's, so I need to spend gems per day 😭

[worthy lake]

ohgod

I mean just use your free attacks

[worthy lake]

Cool

[autumn owl]

Xp

[coarse basalt]

10x worse....I see, alarm every 3mins

[autumn owl]

My goal is won 2000 k per season, but people that are in top 10 spend it?

Me too

[rustic sandal]

hey zixk, i just got bay do i replace her with somebody or keep my team as is

[autumn owl]

Oh, well if u are f2p and you are in top 10 is really amazing

I like PvE for lore, so I try to pass all chapters, but I don't want to waste gems that I could win in pvp

Oh,now I see, if u want to defeat u need Nikkes full(MLB,ol and skills ) craps I thought isn't so necessary

[rustic sandal]

ol and skills are very important

[autumn owl]

Craps

Well I gonna search on internet some teams for attack and some for defense, and I gonna try to keep my position in top 30

I realized stay in top 10 is really hard and is necessary spent lot of resources

[worthy lake]

Your jackal skill ... need s1 s2 to 10 ?

[autumn owl]

😲, I got her MLB but not higher skills

[worthy lake]

Yes s1 and s2 10

Is it needed ?

Got it

[autumn owl]

This is really usefully

[worthy lake]

THeres someone higher cp than the great zixk ?!!!

YIKES

[autumn owl]

Oh this is your stats

[worthy lake]

How scary it is

[copper creek]

just for fun

why do the ppl in #questions seem to think pvpers cant/dont pve lol

[autumn owl]

Lol

[worthy knoll]

Help me to poke this guy with thy knowledge

[worthy lake]

May I know your build priority between moran and rosanna ? As in minimum build & which one to focus on first ?

[copper creek]

skip

[autumn owl]

In which chapter are u currently?

[copper creek]

or if u want secret pro tip, just

💳

[worthy lake]

Okay

[autumn owl]

Yes , cuz I suppose normal campaign is a piece of cake for your nikke

[worthy lake]

I am in hard 26-15 I think

[autumn owl]

Watafoc

Are u seriously?

[worthy lake]

This is for rosanna right ? Gotcha

[worthy knoll]

Sum1?

I think they go as Saakura here 🤔

[autumn owl]

Wow, I'm supposedly focused on campaign and I am stuck in 18 xp

Which lvl are your Nikkes final and zixk

[worthy knoll]

Ahh its them alright, Saakura

[worthy lake]

407

I see wrong Im only 26 10

[worthy knoll]

I just visit from time to time on their BA server

[worthy lake]

The level of struggle

My waifu is Poli , will I get caught ?

[copper creek]

So tired... allnighter and i have so many meetings today... orz...

[coarse lake]

[worthy knoll]

Well I did ask them some pointers how to handle Union Raid.. we did improve due to that

Oh same

[autumn owl]

Guys what do you think Nikke.gg? There are good builds or aren't? I

For a casual player

[copper creek]

for pvp help, this channel is generally the best resource u'll get

[autumn owl]

Ok

[copper creek]

for pve, just refer to #questions

[waxen tartan]

@copper creek

[worthy lake]

Hey you same as me

[copper creek]

y use brain
this is gaem
i like enjoying gaem

[autumn owl]

I keep on searching for teams composition

[worthy lake]

@umbral crown @velvet sky You see

[copper creek]

good stuff, orz that it got figured out lol

want me to recook or u want to persist?

speaking of which i should get that msg pinned

later when im home orz

so f-n tired.........

[autumn owl]

Which is the address

[worthy knoll]

PVE.. I just blue cp it and auto, if I not blue cp, I just do dailies and wait until I blue CP it..

[autumn owl]

I use both of them, and they tell you top tier but no teams, I think the hardest is find synergy between them

[copper creek]

i think to make everyones life easier

[rose zephyr]

you could post your roster here and ask for pvp teams if u cant find any

[copper creek]

what i will say is - if u have specific question, just ask

somebody will answer, be it either me or zixk or someone else - someone will

[autumn owl]

Lol

Nikke,gg I found my builds there but I didn't know that I need different composition for roll, I think I gonna use my currently composition for def, and I need to find another for attack

[copper creek]

at least u read it at one point ... i didnt read a single guide or resource in pinned... 🤣

[worthy knoll]

I think I only read the pvp mechanics like targeting and such, but not the teams portion

[copper creek]

when champions arena released its gonna be ur turn to write guide🤣

[waxen tartan]

wait
they have a new def

[copper creek]

not that those are relevant for 99% of people here anyway

[copper creek]

lol he just copied ur teams i think, those function the exact same way

u are nicer than me lol

[waxen tartan]

which team should i skip

[autumn owl]

Do u use those teams for attack or defend?

[copper creek]

for CA i will straight up just copypaste
"I will not offer any generalised or teambuilding help for Champion's Arena. If you have a specific question, please ask that."

[worthy knoll]

I feel like I'll just simply go against the teams without Blanc and Noah if CA is a best of 5, win 3 type of match

[waxen tartan]

no, its not mine
im the one attacking

[copper creek]

yea i know hahahaha

i didnt say u are kind - i said u are nicer than i am, different meaning

at least people will get more out of u than out of me, is all im saying

kind vs. nice kinda different things

i will just tell people i can answer specific mechanics question, but i will not teambuild for ppl

[worthy knoll]

Oh right, Zixk did you scrap some logs of your matches that have Noah in either your and enemy team with the recent Noah BG gen fix update?

[worthy lake]

[autumn owl]

Well I learned a little bit about arena, know I need to read and is sadly but necessary, search and use some of my enemies composition

[copper creek]

t1: 4rl noah/blanc
t2: match speed with rapunzel and noah
t3: blanc/emi/rh, match speed by flexing the remaining 2 units

[autumn owl]

But firstly I need invest a little bit in some character

[copper creek]

maybe ask @worn field if u need specific comps, sorry im out atm and very sleepy

[waxen tartan]

my rapunzel has 2 lines of charge speed

[rose zephyr]

that sounds awful

[copper creek]

lol i just deleted my old log

f fixing all that lol

my old log had some problems, i just deleted the file 🙂

[rose zephyr]

oh good...

[copper creek]

easy solution

after all, if u delete the whole thing, there is no problem anymore 🙂

[rose zephyr]

doesnt sound like it was lol

[worthy knoll]

I prefer a kill quick approach against against Blanc Emi RH teams. I'm kinda against Noah delay burst against Emi teams, specially double buffed ones

[copper creek]

idk if he can 2rl scarlet that comp though
also pretty sure he dont have rosabanan

[coarse lake]

use a slower indom

[worthy knoll]

Won't it be a bother if you search a an exact Noah team then it says win, but since its before the update, it was actually lose now on the recent one

[copper creek]

but yea if yall want yall can cook specific teams for him

im too tired atm and rly would rather not

[autumn owl]

Oh, the most important is kill Main dps or cut the B chain

[copper creek]

not gonna go well if i do it lol

[waxen tartan]

can i do noah team in t2 instead? i really hate fighting against blanc

[rose zephyr]

what's the update exactly?

[copper creek]

noah's burst gen doubled in most recent patch

[rose zephyr]

oh I see

ah ok

makes more sense now

[autumn owl]

So, I need to pay attention when I gonna do my attack (if I need to.re-build my teams

[copper creek]

you can indeed

sorry if im not super helpful atm, ask others if need specific comps

generally

[waxen tartan]

ill try to build the comps first and you guys can check if its good

[copper creek]

#pvp-arena message

[autumn owl]

But, can I keep on use my currently composition (for defense) there are good enough as to preserve my position

[rose zephyr]

holy long message link lmao

[copper creek]

if u are really interested to know, that msg explains the generic def that we give to people with pve boxes

i would consider that good place to start

[worthy knoll]

I remembered something funny.. there was a fight before that my 2 RL Noah Emi comp lost against a Scarlet comp that does not use Noah or Blanc.. its not because they were quicker than expected.. it was because they were so friggin slow than what I expected

Their Scarlet slashed exactly when Noah invul went down

[autumn owl]

Well if I started to use moran, rosana and quiryn, all of them are in the same teams?

[copper creek]

i cant imagine why u'd throw all 3 in same team

[autumn owl]

Oh

[copper creek]

no sensible reason to

[devout falcon]

Do u guys bang out ur 2 attacks quick or save one for when defense loses?

[autumn owl]

Ok, so I need to find a good team synergy and use them

[copper creek]

i dont think thats what hes asking 😅

[autumn owl]

Ok

[copper creek]

hes asking if u use ur 2 free attempt immediately or save one for later

[copper creek]

i get hit? i return it as soon as i see it

^ same

[devout falcon]

Ya I’m getting attacked a lot so I save it rn but also cuz after the first fight all the people in my pool are trickier

[copper creek]

if u want specific answer - depends on your bracket

[waxen tartan]

can win?

[devout falcon]

Makes sense

[copper creek]

no
yes
possible - afraid for residual

[autumn owl]

Are there any others variations of this teams (I use it but those Nikke have low investment and mostly of the time I lose)

[worthy knoll]

I'm just using 2 attacks nowadays, I just do enough to have some leverage even if its a few hours of chip advantage to ensure top 6. I play mind games on who I attack, I might attack this player for this day, but I will attack a different player for the next day since the previous one starts to be wary and I go back again to the previous one if I think their wariness against me is low again

[rustic sandal]

bro

i use my 2 atks to get like 6th or 5th everyday but next morning im in like rank 20

is this normal

[copper creek]

lets say if you're capable of c1, but your bracket's c5-10 all can whack u, then it makes sense to use all atks asap to stay in c1 as much/long as possibke

[waxen tartan]

T3 no changes

[copper creek]

normal
we watched someone demote from c4 to d3 before

[autumn owl]

Oh, so I need to change for another one