Military Jet Air Drop

[rich ruin]

The first time I heard the jets fly over it scared the crap outta me but then I started thinking.....It would be really cool to see an air drop, maybe they drop some flares on POIs or something when the military jets fly over. Also to add on it in the future the jets prove that somewhere the military is still active so maybe in the future you can add non-zombie characters around the map including a fully operational military base but make it where they either shoot you on sight or you have to provide materials to get in so its not just run to the military base and boom you won the game. It would also be cool for survivor outposts to be scattered around some with survivors who you could trade with or rob from. I dont know how you would do that but thats my idea.

Also for the air drop maybe that could be a cool way to introduce some new guns and armor etc. Maybe even something you can only get from the air drop. that would be cool asf

[lyric finch]

NPC's are on the roadmap. Airdrops could be version update specials.

[steep light]

Also, don't ignore the big boom you hear eventually after that.

No spoilers

[ashen abyss]

They're military jets. What if they're more interested in killing civvies to contain the outbreak than helping any civvies that might be trapped in quarantine zones?

Honestly, the air drop thing is being done to death in survival games. I'd just as soon not see carbon copies of mechanics implemented by rote permeating this one. What I'd like to know is what's going to set it apart from the crowd? Anything?

[steep light]

The jet is actually a Transformer

[timid cedar]

Identifies as "they"

[timid cedar]

Would be more immersive to get just medical supplies from them, also would make the impossible loot difficulty a bit less unforgiving if you make a stupid mistake and get hurt.

[rich ruin]

this is a very good point. aslo i have not completed the game at all ive only done the first several hours then i have to restart bc my save files dont load but thats another issue. I dont know about the big boom although now im really interested. But back to this point I think that could be a good idea. maybe instead of an airdrop maybe they roll through every once and a while just killing civis and destroying bases and stealing resources

I just think it would be cool to interact with the military in a story driven way that also isnt just them dropping you on sight

where should i go to find an NPC? (you can keep it a secret but give me a hint lol)

[timid cedar]

No npcs in yet, also no ending as it's a sandbox

[steep light]

There are no NPCs yet

That's a road map plan, same as quest lines

There currently is no real end game which would be to be completely sufficient off grid

There is a lot of work to get there

As there are no NPC, you either make due by cosplaying or you try and find all the various things the game offers you to try and do.

Vein is primarily a survival game but has a huge penchant for storytelling by introducing POI and other things you'll only know if you take the time to explore

But seriously; when you hear a big boom, go looking for that

[gray tartan]

Actually I really like that idea (air drops) a lot. Makes perfect sense of what could happen in an apocalypse situation and the idea of the game/environment interacting with the player really goes a long way for immersion. I would give it three thumbs up but I only have two. Awhile back I also made the suggestion of having the pilots comms briefly interfere with any radio or TV you had on at the time. The comms would be mostly broken static but might say something like "Recon One to base, civilian compound sighted ... static ..."

[steep light]

I think air drops at random aren't well thought out

Who randomly drops stuff without confirmation it'll be used?

I think having to create a communications network would be a key priority, and from that point on it would become a ad-hoc thing.

• You'd need social credentials/XP in order to call in supplies

• Supplies should be scarce and if you order things, only partials should arrive (scarcity loot could play a role in this as well)

So though you asked for 20 soup cans, they could only afford to send 12

But on standard you'd get 90-100% of what you asked

If you have a low social score, it'll prevent timely supply runs

Or you might be rejected

[gray tartan]

Yeah besides to reds might find it first! 😄

[steep light]

You could bypass some of this by looting for ID

Some ID could help unlock better things

[gray tartan]

The military would likely drop supplies in areas suspected to have survivors.

[steep light]

This could tie into the other suggestion I had about zombies being in larger concentrations where you'd wanna go

A larger container dropping into a house or in the middle of a.forest/field would attract attention

[steep light]

Suspected == a reason

Communication networks would all but ensure it

You could get HAM radios setup on the antenna array

Lots of in game ways of doing this already

Patching into the public phone system

They already broadcast on them

So why couldn't they reuse rhe copper to communicate?

[gray tartan]

Well that settles it. We're going to have to spend countless hours war gaming out all the possible scenarios creating strike packages and contigency plans for each of them.

[steep light]

Also military =/= government military

It's going to be a mismatch of veterans who'd also survived

[steep light]

Hells ya brother

[gray tartan]

I'll bring an extra pencil

[steep light]

spreadsheets hard

[ashen abyss]

Ack! Social score? What is this? China?

[steep light]

You have a social skill

It's not been implemented yet

But killing on sight for e.g. could be to your detriment if they add that feature as part of rhe quest lines and markets

[rich ruin]

Yessss I love that

[rich ruin]

No not at random thats to much. its gotta be like once every 3 months in game time or something. or you could make it to where you have to fix some radio equipment or even news broadcast equipment and contact the military for support to which they basicilly tell you its to risky for them to bring you to where they are and they arent gonna send any troops bc they cant spare any but they could pull some strings and arrange an air drop. I really love the idea of loot scarcity affecting your order. for the low social score that would be a cool system to impliment as well.

[rich ruin]

Maybe a good use for the flares???

[steep light]

yes

[rich ruin]

I like this. The sound of the airdrop delivery draws in a horde. get there get the supplies and fight your way out. good luck.

[rich ruin]

why not have both groops??? the government is more shady and less helpful but has a lot more resources where the group of veterans could actively be searching for survivors being more helpful just not as many of them and of their resourses.

[steep light]

my personal opinion is we're too greedy and disfunctional to even get a coordinated effort going for most things

im curious to see where the devs bring us 🙂

[steep light]

the further we are from others, the less likely we are to trust each other
been like that for as long as mankind been around

[gray tartan]

Fallout 76 has an almost identical event where you activate satellite uplinks to get a drop. But the drop also attracts Scorched or Super Mutants and you have to fight your way through them to reach to drop.

[gray tartan]

I dunno Canada is a long way from everyone but they seem to trust anyone 😄

[rich ruin]

I think for the social skill it would be cool to see another outpost and maybe they dont trust you at first so they send you to get something for them thats been overrun by zombo boys and when you return successfully they now slightly trust you and your social skill would go up. or maybe you see a small group getting swarmed and you save them now they are willing to come to your settlement and also increases your social skill

[gray tartan]

Well we're talking about NPC's and quests now. How long did it take Bethesda to add NPC's and quests to Fallout 76?

[rich ruin]

most humans are to greedy and most humans would also die within the first 48 hours of a zombie apocolypse leaving only the best of the best and also the worst of the worst and maybe a bunch of lucky in betweens

[steep light]

you've not met your share of rural Canadians have ya

lol

shotguns are common here

[gray tartan]

As they should be. Little did you know you're as American AF 🙂

[steep light]

it wasn't uncommon to hear of ppl going missing between Erie and Huron in Ontario

[ashen abyss]

Presided over by the Enclave's own Modus, so...yeah....

[steep light]

all between the 70-90s

[steep light]

you can only get me so happy already

[gray tartan]

I made General in just three days! lol

[rich ruin]

start out small. i for one will wait 20 years if i have to i love this game

[rich ruin]

there are more guns in america then people......

by alot

[steep light]

yes

[gray tartan]

yup

[steep light]

there are a lot of canadians who also own guns and dont say sh*t and are 10min from the US border

we know

[rich ruin]

ikr lol

[steep light]

apparently yall are getting it from us

[ashen abyss]

Had to set up at least one Enclave avatar just because Modus' voice actor is so dang good at sounding innocuous...downright evil. Those pauses especially between pure neutral face and "gleaming personality". {Shudder}

[steep light]

so how many air drops would a military jet be able to drop over time?
you think it would be severely limited?

[rich ruin]

im confused what your point is lmao if your trying to imply canada could invade America youve lost your mind lol but i dont wanna go into that here lol let us focus on vein

[steep light]

thats just projection
read between the lines
ppl for the last year keep saying lots of stuff coming from your borders, including weapons

[rich ruin]

well it depends on how you implement it

[gray tartan]

Oh they can invade. Can't say how it will go but they can.

[steep light]

hence the apparently

[ashen abyss]

I don't think military jets would do the dropping.

[rich ruin]

they could

it would not go well for them but they could

[steep light]

yeah bush pilots"?

helicopters?

[rich ruin]

maybe you make it a fleet of jets escorting a cargo plane and the noise draws in a horde

[ashen abyss]

More like the slow, lumbering variety of military aircraft.

[gray tartan]

Canoes and gliders!

[gray tartan]

I had a lot of fun doing the Enclave quests. It went pretty fast though.

[ashen abyss]

Not much for the automated, so-called quests, but certainly enjoyed hearing Modus voiceover along the way.

[gray tartan]

Not the events the main quest line you have to do

[rich ruin]

as for how often they are to drop the way i see it you got a few options: make it really difficult (but possible lol) to find and repair/build all the parts to fix some radio eqiupment or as someone said earlier any of the various methods of communicating in the game. On top of that make it only in special locations and or times that you can get a response from the military or anyone (different spots and or times for different things) but for the military maybe they make you recover something for them and as a reward they drop an air drop with a bunch of high tier loot and rare items (pls new guns) and this can only happen up to 2 times a year or something

or

[ashen abyss]

Not a fan of FO76, mostly due to the business model. A few gems pop up here and there that actually feel like Fallout, but they're few and far between, imo.

[rich ruin]

i still think it should be a challange to gather everything you need to get the comms working but maybe you make it to where the military upon finding out there are survivors in the area drop reqular supply drops once a month and after a seletcable amount of time base one being around 6 months later they slowly start to stop

[gray tartan]

If you played any of the older Fallout games there is one just like it from the Russian perspective called Atom RPG. It's pretty good I had a fun time playing it reminded me so much of Fallout 1 and 2

[ashen abyss]

We're off-topic again, though. Maybe best saved for another time.

[ashen abyss]

If there must be air drops at all, it would be best to make them as unique as possible, imo.

[lyric finch]

To answer how much can a airdrop hold, the 463L Air Force Pallet can accommodate 10,000 lbs on a 7'x9' footprint and can carry 6 of them in airdrop configuration

[rich ruin]

I think the air drops should be very rare but have a bunch of really good high teir loot of different kinds