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foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 1:51 PM

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Looking to do a standard alliance variant: https://twilight-imperium.fandom.com/wiki/Alliance_Game_Variant

But with frankendraz: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w2hRGZviiVr51A7nKysD2ko8VxCLpQRoEPJsLVhp_NE/edit?usp=drivesdk

No whispers aside from allies.

I see 3 ways to do this, I'm open to discussion on what we all want to do.

We do the draft normally and then choose allies after, showing what we have drafted and seeing who did the worst and gets picked last, just like in gym class.
We choose allies before the draft, but draft blind, no discussion with your ally about what you're choosing.
We choose allies before drafting, but do discuss with ally during draft.

In both options 2 and 3, allies are spaced apart in drafting order, so they don't pass anything directly to one another.

I'd like to keep the game going at a decent pace. I'm US timezone, but on the very early side, so EU works well too. Come with or without a buddy, knowing one possible variant is choosing allies post draft.

I'm also in favor of absol agenda and/or AC deck 2. Open to discussion.

I am thinking we should keep this to 3 teams of 2 for general speed and complexity reasons, but it would technically be possible to do 8 players, there's enough factions but I'm not sure how we'd handle slices. Something to discuss if there's interest. <@&1182131346504687688>

@foggy crypt
@pseudo wigeon
@wicked moth
@timid imp
@sonic knoll
@wraith geode

Twilight Imperium Wiki

Alliance Game Variant

The Alliance Game Variant is an Optional play mode that was introduced in Volume II (Affinity) of the Official Twilight Imperium Codex In this game variant, players form teams of two against 1–3...

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Frankendraz “Draft Variant”

Frankendraz “Draft Variant” In this frankendraft variant, players bag draft multiple entire factions instead of individual components. Once drafting is complete players build their franken factions out of the pieces of the factions they drafted. This usually results in far more powerful Franken...

umbral talonBOT Jan 22, 2025, 1:51 PM

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To launch a new game, please run the command /game create_game_button, filling in the players and fun game name. This will create a button that you may press to launch the game after confirming the members are correct.

pseudo wigeon Jan 22, 2025, 1:59 PM

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hey, me

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I'm EU if that matters

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8p may take 3 months

foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 2:09 PM

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Yeah, another reason I'm really leaning more towards just 6

pastel copper Jan 22, 2025, 2:26 PM

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@pseudo wigeon 🤣

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That's the most ridiculous idea 🤣

pseudo wigeon Jan 22, 2025, 2:31 PM

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found my buddy

wicked moth Jan 22, 2025, 2:32 PM

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Id like to join, eu too, but have a pretty late sleep schedule do to work

foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 2:38 PM

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pastel copper That's the most ridiculous idea 🤣

Are you in?

pastel copper Jan 22, 2025, 3:05 PM

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I need think

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Rly deep thinking🤣

gusty iron Jan 22, 2025, 3:35 PM

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Why would you introduce such an interesting concept right after I decided I was in my max amount of games...

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@visual sage this could be a way to really cement our async friendship

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Depending on time zone restrictions off course...

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Actually this really would be too much.. I'm gonna have to finish some other frankendraz games before I commit to something like this

foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 5:27 PM

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Bump with <@&947310962485108816>

timid imp Jan 22, 2025, 5:38 PM

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This sounds epic

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Mind if I join?

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 7:11 PM

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Sounds cool but I'm not sure about 6 player alliance game. Sounds like a 2v1 situation.

foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 7:13 PM

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I've played a few 6 player alliance games, and I haven't see 4 players gang up on the other 2. Normally what happens is as soon as one team attacks another, those two groups enter a forever war and the remaining 2 players sit back and win. But you never know with the craziness of Franken!

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 8:18 PM

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I'd rather 8 but it makes the Frankendraz pool a bit shallow.

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OK you've convinced me, I'm in.

foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 8:25 PM

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sonic knoll I'd rather 8 but it makes the Frankendraz pool a bit shallow.

8 players just means we'll have 48 of the 59 factions available. Could be some crazy combos. What I'm unsure of how to do is slices. Normally for Frankendraz you generate 12 slices and everyone drafts 2, but you can't generate more than 13 slices. So either we would still draft whole slices, but only get 1, or somehow add just system tiles to the draft. But since Frankendraz is manual that is a lot more manual bag passing where errors could happen.

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 8:26 PM

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I can make 16

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I didn't realize you were including DS

foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 8:27 PM

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You have to for Frankendraz, you need 36 factions for the draft

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 8:29 PM

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Well, I've only played once and it was POK, build from 4

foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 8:29 PM

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Ah, I've always played with DS, so everyone ends up with 6 factions, 2 slices, 1 seat

pseudo wigeon Jan 22, 2025, 8:29 PM

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why 2 slices? is this the overpowered one?

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with 2 flagships etc

foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 8:31 PM

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To clarify, it will be a "standard" powered Franken, so 4 faction abilities, 3 faction techs, normal everything else (1 flag, 1 mech, 1 of each leader, etc).

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 8:32 PM

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pseudo wigeon why 2 slices? is this the overpowered one?

Cause it is a bag draft, so you draft 2 and pick 1

pseudo wigeon Jan 22, 2025, 8:32 PM

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ah, ok. i only picked 2 slices when we were doing stupid "this mech has abilities from 2 factions" version

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 8:33 PM

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pseudo wigeon ah, ok. i only picked 2 slices when we were doing stupid "this mech has abilitie...

Can the bot handle that ?

foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 8:33 PM

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I've always seen the draft done with 2 slices each to reduce pressure on your slice pick. If there is only 1 slice per person to draft it, it can be very easy to end up with a terrible slice and there being nothing you could have done about it

pseudo wigeon Jan 22, 2025, 8:33 PM

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nothing wrong with that, works for me then

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 8:34 PM

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Well that was less than efficient

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But there are 16

foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 8:35 PM

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I have seen a few different versions of the 2 slice draft though.

You draft 2 slices and just choose 1 to use (nice and easy)
You draft 2 slices and choose any 3 blue 2 red from the combination of what you drafted, then randomly place them
Same as #2, but you choose where each tile goes (the most OP)

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 8:36 PM

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I don't mind so long as we decide before the draft

foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 8:41 PM

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sonic knoll But there are 16

What all tile sets are you using?

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 8:42 PM

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US and Regular. With some extra empty/asteroid/nebula/supernova

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Cause the red backed tiles are the bottleneck, there arent enough

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The bot here has plenty though

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I think there are a few leftover planets even

foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 8:46 PM

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Good to know that is possible, but as we're still waiting for just a 6th, I'm OK running with just 6

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 8:47 PM

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yeah, makes sense. Just in case. Can't do it quickly though, takes a bit of work, I had those ready for... something similar to this.

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@pseudo wigeon How do you handle Mechs having two powers ?

foggy crypt Jan 22, 2025, 8:52 PM

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I'm in a game with some double units, and it is just manual. You set your unit as one type, and just manually handle what would happen if it has abilities of another as well. It can be tedious, and is a reason I often skip Ghemina double flag ability in any Franken

timid imp Jan 22, 2025, 10:00 PM

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foggy crypt I'm in a game with some double units, and it is just manual. You set your unit a...

Wouldn't happen to be with supermon would it?

pseudo wigeon Jan 22, 2025, 10:03 PM

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sonic knoll <@241923389319544832> How do you handle Mechs having two powers ?

just add both mech units using franken comands and it applies both of their abilities

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same with flagships

wraith geode Jan 22, 2025, 10:07 PM

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I've been summoned. @wicked moth needed an ally?

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 10:10 PM

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Summon Gravity ? Nice spell.

timid imp Jan 22, 2025, 10:23 PM

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Familiar faces :o

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What if I offer a hunny bribe

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sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 10:37 PM

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Bribe for what ?

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 10:37 PM

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pseudo wigeon just add both mech units using franken comands and it applies both of their abil...

That was bad ?

knotty ember Jan 22, 2025, 10:41 PM

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I'm game

timid imp Jan 22, 2025, 10:45 PM

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sonic knoll Bribe for what ?

Becoming best buds ofc

wicked moth Jan 22, 2025, 10:50 PM

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knotty ember I'm game

I think we are full, unless we go for 8 players?

pseudo wigeon Jan 22, 2025, 10:56 PM

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sonic knoll That was bad ?

glorious

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 11:11 PM

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timid imp Becoming best buds ofc

With whom ?

timid imp Jan 22, 2025, 11:11 PM

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Anyone who will take me tbh

sonic knoll Jan 22, 2025, 11:15 PM

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I’m a great friend ! Ask any of my friends

knotty ember Jan 22, 2025, 11:28 PM

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I'll pair up with whoever will take me.

pseudo wigeon Jan 22, 2025, 11:37 PM

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lets go full chaos and find our buddies after draft

wicked moth Jan 22, 2025, 11:39 PM

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yea, chaos is fun, and no draft collusion seems chaotic

pseudo wigeon Jan 22, 2025, 11:39 PM

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also I would like to just have pairs done randomly, but that could be too much chaos

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and i imagine people like playing with each other so im not going to fight for it

wicked moth Jan 22, 2025, 11:40 PM

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We are at least 2 that wants it, can be put to a vote

knotty ember Jan 22, 2025, 11:46 PM

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I don't mind

knotty ember Jan 23, 2025, 12:02 AM

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Oh just realised I'm not in the list 😦

foggy crypt Jan 23, 2025, 12:13 AM

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@pseudo wigeon
@wicked moth
@timid imp
@sonic knoll
@wraith geode

I'm all for 6 players but want to check with everyone. Do we want to go with 6 or try for 8?

wicked moth Jan 23, 2025, 12:16 AM

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Im down for either, as long as you were able to fix the slices problem, and also if we find a 8th pretty soon

pseudo wigeon Jan 23, 2025, 12:49 AM

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lets go 6

wicked moth Jan 23, 2025, 1:14 AM

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Yea, id rather just start

sonic knoll Jan 23, 2025, 1:26 AM

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Either is good for me.

foggy crypt Jan 23, 2025, 1:59 AM

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Let's just do 6, @knotty ember we'll catch you next time

umbral talonBOT Jan 23, 2025, 2:00 AM

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VaultDweller (UTC-5) used /game create_game_button game_fun_name: Franken Friends player1: @vaultdweller24 player2: @judaszenko_nazarenko player3: @psyduck_trainer player4: @funny1567 player5: @hermenegilde. player6: @.frillz

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VaultDweller (UTC-5) pressed the [Create Game] button

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