#Change the order of Bribery/Deadly Plot and Confusing/Confounding Legal Text prompts

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dense yacht
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Right now there is a prompt for Bribery and Deadly Plot at the same time/position, and below it there is a prompt for Confusing / Confounding Legal Text. However, these are three distinct and separate timing windows where Bribery is first, Confusing/Confounding is second, and Deadly Plot is third. This can matter very much - in a game I'm currently in Deadly Plot was played, then Sabotaged, and then Confounding Legal Text was played.

I hate to suggest slowing the agenda phase down even more, but the order of these prompts is wrong and it treats all three of these timing windows as the same.

tiny bramble
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Eh

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They all sort of are vaguely the same window

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If we dont slow down for whens/afters, we cetainly arent gonna slow for bribery/confusing/deadly order

dense yacht
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I'm not suggesting slowing down, but I do think that the Deadly Plot button should be below the legal text buttons instead of with Bribery.

balmy roost
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Every different button that has to get pressed is a lot added person-hours over the coure of thousands of games. But it might make sense to just include the theoretical proper order in the text to let the players know in the rare cases where it matters

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Maybe could wipe the 'no bribery/no DP' reactions if the bot sees someone play confounding?

sudden wadi
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I might do something like ordering them properly, name the actual timing window, only ping the appropriate players for each window, and delete/disable/report done when only those players have responded

Any "After the speaker votes on an agenda" cards? Mentak JolNar

[No Bribery]
Any "When you are elected as the outcome of an agenda" cards? cabal
[No Confusing]
Any "When another player is elected as the outcome of an agenda" cards? Mentak JolNar Yssaril Yin Nekro
[No Confounding]
Any "When an outcome would be resolved" cards? Mentak JolNar Yssaril Yin Nekro
[No Deadly Plot]

Con: people still won't read and react appropriately
Pro: it's clear as day what needs to happen here

stuck raft
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Con: The bot needs to hide who has which AC.

balmy roost
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I think that would be better? But yeah might be more confusing

sudden wadi
stuck raft
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Isn´t the bot already doing that?

sudden wadi
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the goal here is to make it clear that the ordering is [Bribery -> Conf/Conf -> Deadly] and not [Bribery/Deadly -> Conf/Conf]

sudden wadi
stuck raft
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Ah ok. I understand the need (when it matters it MATTERS), but it also feels like we´re going above and beyond what anyone is doing IRL (Were we are also just asking about shennanigans, not running through 4 timing windows after an agenda.)

sudden wadi
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yeah, we present all of these at once because we can, but it's still just "no shenanigans?"
by being clear like this, we can avoid the rule confusion that spurred this post
I personally don't think it will slow this step more than it already is

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and they're broken up as they are currently because Conf/Conf only apply to elect player/planet & can be skipped altogether, whereas the other two are more broadly applied