PvP Arena - Control infliction

[glad atlas]

Hello, I have a question about pvp. It is mainly about Blade Colosseum as it’s much more probable for it to happen there. So during this week’s Blade Colosseum I have encountered several matches (around 3) where both me and my opponent had Elecebre in team. We had same skill haste and there were no additional ultimate speed ups from allies, so both Elecebres casted at the same time. In all replays, while the animation of both of them happened at the same time, my team got inflicted with Charm, while my Elecebre basically stopped casting and got ultimate reduction. I am adding a video of one of these matches, where it is seen clearly.

So my question is, what takes priority during this scenario when two heroes with control skill cast at the same time, because it makes me confused why my Elecebre always got affected and casted second and it was never the other case around.

Also while I am posting this, I have one more request, which is that I think I am chat restricted due to the age restriction, but I don’t have any memory of selecting my age, so could you please reset this for me, so I can access the in game chat?

This is my ID: 1447075574894206976

[rugged pond]

Hello Traveler,

We are currently verifying the combat issue you reported.
Additionally, regarding the chat restriction, we have submitted a request to restore your chat privileges. Please kindly wait while it is being processed.

We will inform you as soon as there is any update. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

[rugged pond]

Could you please provide the time when the battle occurred (UTC+0) as well as the opponent’s character nickname? Thank you for your cooperation.

[rugged pond]

Regarding the issue where you were unable to use the chat function, we’ve completed the necessary handling on our end.

Please log back into the game and check whether the chat feature has returned to normal.

[glad atlas]

@rugged pond Hi Flora,

Thank you for your help. The chat issue was restored.

As for the battle, I am not sure where to find the exact time of the battle.But there were 2 battles during this week’s Blade’s Tournament, where it happened.

So the first battle happened in Point’s Tournament (22nd of Jan) and it was 5th round (not sure what time) and it was against Arathamin as shown in the image. In second battle we both had Elecebra, they look like they both casted at the same time, but only his cast was successful.

The second battle happened in Swiss Round (23rd of Jan), it was the second round (around 1pm) so from 64 to 32 players and it was the first round and my opponent was Ato as shown in the second image. It was the second battle and the same thing happened as against Arathamin.

If you need anything else, please let me know.

[rugged pond]

Your message is well received! I may need some time to respond to your messages, please worry not, I will reply to you asap.

[rugged pond]

After verification, the units on the recorded perspective team entered the battlefield later than those on the non-recorded perspective team, and the corresponding logic execution order was therefore delayed accordingly. This behavior is part of the game’s underlying design and does not indicate any abnormality.

Thank you for your understanding.

[glad atlas]

Hi Flora, thank you for your fast reply.

I am a bit confused by your reply. So does it mean that one side always has an advantage when it comes to the execution of the abilities? Because then any champion with control effects which is on the non-recorded team will always apply control first (in case they have same casting time), which gives huge advantage if it is like ultimate reduction or stun or charm. If my opponent can inflict to me control which delays casting ultimate by another 3-5 seconds at least, that gives me huge disadvantage as that can be difference if my damage dealing heroes live or not as they are easier to kill.

I understand that this might be not as common in normal arena, where there is skill haste, so heroes won't have same casting time, but in the Blade Colosseum where this is fixed (except some heroes or items which you need to get to reduce/increase casting time) it can happen pretty often as you have seen in my case. Would it be possible to change this so both teams get affected at the same time?

[rugged pond]

I received your message. But need some time to look into the questions, please allow me some time.

[tired wadi]

This is a big topic to discuss

[rugged pond]

Dear Traveler,

This mechanism is part of the game’s underlying design rules. From a probability perspective, it is fair and equal for all players, and there is no bias involved.

In addition, your suggestions regarding the Blade Colosseum have been recorded and forwarded to the relevant team. They will make certain adjustments to the game based on the suggestions of all Travelers.

Thank you once again for your valuable suggestions and for your continued support and love for the game. We wish you a great time playing!

[shut python]

Hi @rugged pond It is a bit tricky. How do you determine which team is entered first on the battlefield ? I mean, this is automatic. We don't have to do anything. Even if we are sleeping, the fight will go on. So what determine the first to get in ? And what do you mean by recorded perspective ? I mean, from each side, every player should be considered as recorded, watching his own view. Or i totally misunderstood the meaning of recorded perspective.

i had the same issue several time and i always thought it was because of some debuff, but now i see it is totally different reason

[glad atlas]

Well the way how it works now is that only fight from one side is recorded. I am not sure what determines it, but sometimes you can see your own fights in normal arena recorded from the perspective of another team even though it probably should be from yours.

[glad atlas]

Well I understand the probability argument, but issue is that you can be really unlucky and just be on the "wrong" side many times as well as "good" side many times.

In my opinion, the timing of skill casting between teams shouldn't be left to probability. Especially for event like Blade Colosseum, where you can easily get eliminated and if that happens in Swiss or early in Knockout stage, then your whole event is over. And the rewards over the season for whole event are really good, so it is quite bad if that happens and you get eliminated because of this.

Anyway, thank you for your explanations and passing the suggestions over.

[last kraken]

Sounds like a bad mechanic to me, a pre-determined loss! how is that a fair fight 🤬

[glad atlas]

It is not fair match. Flora’s point is that the positions are randomly assigned, so it can happen to anyone at any time during the tournament, which is fair. But if you get really unlucky like me as I got the wrong position 3 times during the tournament (but third time I got another control effect before casting ultimate), then obviously you are screwed. That’s why I suggest the change.