#Vortex boss

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raw cosmos
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Why is it that in the daily top 300 in Vortex we only see Ice teams? Why are the other heroes so weak compared to a single dominant team in the game?
Why do some teams need four DPS heroes just to start dealing decent damage, while the Ice team only needs three and doesn’t even require the exclusive artifact?
Why is Rook so weak? Was he designed to be good only at i5, meaning only 1% of players can actually use him properly?
Something needs to change, because this is Season 3 and we have full teams available, yet everyone still ends up using just one. What was the point of nerfing Rook? How can a new hero created specifically for Vortex be this bad?
Other teams really need to be reviewed. You can’t just leave them behind—like using WILD only in Season 1 and then abandoning the characters afterward.

dapper wyvern
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So your suggestion would be an overall adjustments of all schools to be viable for Vortex?
IceBlast is at the moment the easiest school to get dmg so many players don't have to finetune it. Other dmg schools like corrosion need really specific gear to shine.
It would help to specify your suggestion even more☺️

unique swan
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I suggest that the devs check which teams are the least played(Wild, Ice, poison, rally and aura) and buff them… even every.single.season if it’s needed.
It is our 7th(+3)season overall and they still didn’t do anything about this issue. Which is a shame.

kindred current
raw cosmos
# dapper wyvern So your suggestion would be an overall adjustments of all schools to be viable f...

The idea is that you make an Ice team and use it everywhere. I don’t see any joy in playing something else for half the season. Why do the other teams require more resources, which you can’t even have until the end of the season? I want to be able to go into a boss fight and use Wild, Lightning, Coro… not only Ice.

The first sentence you said is not correct, because Wild was made specifically for Vortex, and Coro as well. Why does there need to be such a big difference? What’s the logic behind needing 4 DPS heroes just to be able to start dealing damage, then running into the survival problem because you can’t keep up? The situation seems unbalanced to me. Somehow we are giving up too much on a team, like WILD. It was good in season 1, then in season 2 it was useless, and now again it’s useless… that’s not okay.

And with Corrosion, it is made to work well in late game, but on top of that you need i5 on everything to be competitive.

This is my opinion

wooden atlas
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I rushed for Rook and I feel like I got scammed.. so bad made, to hard, no joy in it+ no damage
I wish that I could go for ice exclusive artifact

exotic dagger
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For sure the Nerfing of Rook is a travesty tbh, but teams appear to be cyclic as opposed to OG where once they were dead they were dead, here there are new heroes coming through to re-invigorate them, like Gladys and Genievivre etc

unique swan
# kindred current they actually have reworked ALL damageclasses for reborn, so no, they did not do...

Yeah that’s true. But you can ask the question “why is aura in the game?” Or rally(beside 1 game mode) frost(shadow overtake them in PvP) Wild? Poison? Even TB.

Having them for 1 boss for 1 event in 1 season is basically wasting them.

Would be cool(and insanely hard) if they are all viable everywhere.
(Aura rework happened why? Still no one use them, they are maybe the most useless heroes in the game.. they gonna try again to make them relevant? No. Never. :(( )

cursive grove
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This is the biggest blow to f2p people.You barely manage to collect anything and the next season that team is no good.A lot of people will give up on the game because it's not fun at all.and in the end only those who invested money in the game will remain...they need to buff ((fire-lighting-radiance-poison)) it's joke that a single target hero is the best at everything

tulip gyro
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I agree that more factions should be viable in any part of the game. But it will not remove seeing mostly the meta teams because people always want to try to use the best team. Or they follow CC's that all gravitates to a meta.

unique swan
exotic dagger
# unique swan Choosable element affinity can solve that problem. At the beginning of the seaso...

Sadly I don’t think that will work, as it’s the mechanics that are at fault, and the skew of the numbers towards the Krakens who i5 everything regardless of how crud they are…….therefore let’s say you create a brand new meta team, you have some inspiration and you are challenging in the top 20, within a day or 2 those Krakens with the same hero’s inspired to i5 will then push your teams back regardless

It’s a fact, FTP is not to challenge (although it should be) but to “take part” which to anyone younger than Gen X, is a win…………isn’t it? 😔

unique swan
exotic dagger
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It brings me back to wanting servers (choosable) by FTP, or Value of team, tempered with Timezone +- 1hrs

You would find a lot more interest then for FTP/Dolphins/Whales and Krakens, who have their peers to work against (if chosen) and it then gives FTP and low spenders a decent chance to enjoy the game more, as well as spend when they want to

You will also find that those FTP and lower spenders may then spend more later………a win win for DH as a whole!

novel sundial
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There for sure needs to be some balances done to NOT so used teams in later seasons. Good example like mentioned above is Wild. After season 1, I didn't use Wild AT ALL during the whole of season 2 and it looks like it's gonna be the same for season 3. Some of these things will need to be address for sure.
When it comes to the Rook situation, it looks like a disaster for now, HOWEVER, I'm hoping it catches up later, since we're only 2 weeks into the season 🤔
Had a chat earlier with @short geyser and he tested some stuff showing the difference of having good gear and not so good gear. And I'm talking here about i0 Rook + artifact testing, as most people would have that 😅

But overall I agree, on the subject of Temporal Vortex, other element teams should be viable so it makes the game more fun and not have 1 team be the answer to everything
IE I'm using Iceblast EVERYWHERE, not just Vortex

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Good example of variety. Love what this person did here

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@hearty igloo If this is you, well done, this is amazing ! 😄

short geyser
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Thank you for tagging me here so I can see this topic. Sadly person who create that topic does not quite completely understand why we can see only Ice Blast team in the top. So let me split it and explain it to you, as someone who tested ALL 4 Top Single target teams in V4.

Ice Blast = Easy To Build, Hard Capped.

Ice Blast was always very strong in Vortex, and with game re-release they received 30% Crit Rate for first 5 minutes for FREE. That's almost free Crit Rate gloves just for playing Ice Blast, and they all scale of Crit Rate/Crit DMG/ATK. This makes Ice Blast the easiest team to build - less gear dependent than any other team. As long as you build Beldelle with Crit Rate above 100% you are smashing, Shinnah and Zhorak DMG does not matter but it helps, I mean you get +50% Crit Rate if you use shinnah, with 10% base all your Ice blast heroes are at 60% Crit Rate before you even put ANY GEAR on them. However, You can only have so much Crit Rate on Beldelle so their scaling cap is not high. Ice Blast will dominate early to mid game of every season going forward unless something shifts the meta with new heroes for other DMG Schools.

Wild = Hard to Build, Very RNG.

The reason why you don't see Wild and Flora is because the team is very hard to build against new boss and people don't know the strategy yet - I will release video soon, I am delayed because of Rook situation and other things. Flora needs 3 Wild heroes to really do good damage and this leaves us Vulnerable with only 1 Support, so you either bring high inspiration Synraell(extra defense up) or Khrysos with his exclusive Artifact. But Flora Team CAN and WILL compete against Ice Blast, especially when there is a Fire Buff. Chorak new hero will be mandatory and since the selectable banner was not available yet, players dont have him.

hearty igloo
short geyser
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Dauntless = Whale territory, expensive to build.

Dauntless will be current top meta team once players get their hands on Guin and her artifact, as well as Nastjenka and Grishnaar... see the issue here? 3 Exclusive heroes, that is not cheap and Guin only spikes at i5, her DMG Doubles then. This team needs Grishnaar at least i1 to survive the boss, but once you match all the puzzles, this team is unstoppable even when there is no buff benefitting them.

Corrosion = Hard to build, Scale Infinitely.

This team is the hardest to build, but will always give you an advantage over other teams once you hit their true potential. And it's not only about Rook! #🐲┆dragonheir-chat message check how small stat adjustments impact Rook total DMG! This team will dominate Vortex once people start Tempering their gear. Any inspiration to Corrosion hero = more total dmg, significantly more. Rook spike is at i2 and i5, while his DMG is increased whenever we increase Sacredia or Whisk DMG.

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I belive devs did great job to balance Vortex, compared to previous version of the game, where it was Rook or bust, and even i0 Rook out performing any other i5 exclusive hero.

exotic dagger
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@novel sundial @short geyser this brings me back to the points I made here #1448347041682952192 message

Surely it’s time to level the field for those that love the game, but are not prepared to spend Tens of Thousands of GBP etc on hero’s…….and I spend btw, but I can’t compete with the Krakens that are i5 everything 😳😔

short geyser
# exotic dagger It brings me back to wanting servers (choosable) by FTP, or Value of team, tempe...

It could be done by segmenting Leaderboards into F2P and Spenders - but this would mean anyone who ever did a purchase will lose that privilege even if they stopped spending year ago 😛 But since the game has been out for so long I don't know if that is even possible to implement for veteran players, but I always loved an idea of releasing 1 server that has no in game purchases and let players choose to join it.

exotic dagger
# short geyser It could be done by segmenting Leaderboards into F2P and Spenders - but this wou...

They could always use the Valuation method used for the migration and more recently for encouraging others that either didn’t take up the original offer or who dropped out of the Reborn version largely due to a lack of Storylines and FTP/Low Spenders who were discouraged because of the situation.

That way they could choose (or not) to join a Server more of their standard and spend level……..that has to be workable as a solution to many ills in the game today

wooden atlas
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I don’t agree with what Gorax is saying. He talks about the difference between teams—why should there be such a big difference, like gigantic?? You’re mentioning theoretical things that you can’t really understand by playing on the beta server. When you don’t have equipment, don’t have an i5, don’t have unlimited resources, you experience the game differently.

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I can’t wait to come back to this topic and show Gorax the Vortex Boss ranking—when there will be a few whales with different teams, while 95% of players will stick with Ice Blast.

short geyser
inland fossil
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Most "F2P BTW" and/or light spenders want that one magical team or character that at zero dupe and no exclusive weapon and be competitive with spenders... always the same toxic mindset from these minimal "supporter" of the game, nothing ever changes. They get mad, then move to another game and repeat the same.

wooden atlas
kindred current
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Back to topic and stay calm and friendly! Warning to everyone!

raw cosmos
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What I saw here, I preferred to give up and say nothing more 👍

cursive grove
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@short geyser as you said above corrosion and some other teams will be good towards the end of the season and maybe not even then, because it is very difficult to get the right gear, I got 2 good ones last season but not the best ones and for ROOK you need 4 ideal ones so 90% of people won't see it...all in all, some small changes are needed

cosmic inlet
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Why is it that in the daily top 300 in Vortex we only see Ice teams? Why are the other heroes so weak compared to a single dominant team in the game?

Because they are fairly easy to build if you have the units.

Why do some teams need four DPS heroes just to start dealing decent damage, while the Ice team only needs three and doesn’t even require the exclusive artifact?

Because IB big damage.

Why is Rook so weak? Was he designed to be good only at i5, meaning only 1% of players can actually use him properly?

You havent learned how to build corrosion properly

Something needs to change, because this is Season 3 and we have full teams available, yet everyone still ends up using just one. What was the point of nerfing Rook? How can a new hero created specifically for Vortex be this bad?

Again a lot of this noise is because people dont know how to build Rook. 1.2b is not impossible with Corrosion, you just need to know how.

Other teams really need to be reviewed. You can’t just leave them behind—like using WILD only in Season 1 and then abandoning the characters afterward.

The choice is yours in terms of what teams to pick. Again knowing how to build is a prerequisite

iron seal
# short geyser You dont need to agree with what i am saying, it's fine. I do play on global ser...

I'm a new player (few months) and i open Vortex Ratings, other difficult Bosses rating and i see 'Ice team dominate'.

Hm... What team should i develop?

In season 2 i made about 136-144 millions of damage on Poseidon boss Vortex (Irzillas, Premtsa, Tiamath, Adolf and Jordan)

And in my 300 (or smthn) place i was the first with no Ice Blast team 😅

Very inspiring to 'challenge'.

It would be fair to take 50% Crit buff from Beldelle you mentioned or reduce rewards for Vortex ratings, cause i wanna combine Berengar (or other hero in pieces) too and it is impossible to me.

exotic dagger
# inland fossil Most "F2P BTW" and/or light spenders want that one magical team or character tha...

Those minimal spenders are the vast majority of the players on the game mate, now I spend money, more than I should tbh, and I came from the OG with a reasonable set of hero’s and rank top 30 in every season since the OG season 3.

But

If you don’t have those FTP/low spenders you truly don’t have a player base, and therefore dead servers, if those players are not getting a chance of a ranking and rewards that make their work worthwhile and a storyline that matters, they walk, it truly is that simple!

Therefore the “fat porpoise” that i am, and the whales and krakens out there, will have nothing left of their “investment” of tens of thousands of pounds or dollars etc, because the game dies, the servers close and OUR money has disappeared into the ether.

All because those pesky FTP/low spenders walk……..soooooo shouldn’t we respect those players that try harder and harder, til they bust, just that little bit more, rather than try and bully them in the forums like you probably try to do in the game itself?

Not a good face mate, not at all……

inland fossil
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your points would be valid if the starting post didnt mention top 300, basically the "unrealistic expectation" of wanting minimal investment and expect to hang with higher spenders. I play gacha games long enough and 90% of them want free handouts and complains, so nah I will not to "respect" them in anyway. If I enjoy the game, I spend, if I made wrong investment on certain heroes or teams, thats on ME not doing enough research or patience to wait few more weeks before commit to summon.

exotic dagger