5/10 Patch Feedback from S2 and S3 Players

[cold heart]

Please post 5/10 Patch Feedback for s2 and s3 players so helpers/mods can draw attention to it.

[spice glen]

Giving season 1 players only a huge amount of dice is a slap in the face to everyone that stuck with you through the buyout. Please rethink that.

[uneven bramble]

Loads of cool updates i will admit.. why only for people in season 1 ??

Returning player event ? Cool. Wjat about the players that stayed woth the game even through tough times. Season 3 is the biggest flop.

[rocky wave]

Indirectly they are telling you "we only care about new players, s3 players are going to quit soon so anyway.."

[sleek pelican]

Compensation should be universal. Why give free dice to one season but not the other? Where’s our compensation for all the content we’ve now missed from season 1?

[uneven bramble]

And also there wasnt anything new the entire season 3. Tbat a huge slap in dedicated playerbase that stayed with the game hoping and believing in the game.

I like the game however, devs it is time to wake up

[rocky wave]

We are not talking about 3-4 dice. It's something like this

[clever rover]

Giving s3 nothing, while giving s1 all the new stuffs+ a HUGE amount of gems AND dices is showing how bad the devs and the whole company for this game.

[clever rover]

Missing out on 54(!!!!!!) dices because we played the game from release is a huge turn off.

There is going to be mass quit if they not giving s3 the same things.

[cinder smelt]

it is they plan to merge S1 direct with S2 and S3 players therefore so many gifts?

[uneven bramble]

Well server separation for each season was a bad idea

All servers should be on the same aeason

People will leave after this update. Sadly. People that spent money for last 3.5 seasons

Now devs. Please wake up 🙂

[clever rover]

Already did. And they are right.
Every time showing their incompetence to run the game sadly

[grand widget]

What is the idea to improve game only for s1 players ? The season system is a mess even in dev minds ?

[uneven bramble]

They have brought the season system on themsevles

[clever rover]

No offense but that guy/lady who thought it’s a good idea to give only to s1 the new stuff and the insanely huge compensation should be fired immediately. It’s even bigger mistake than Rook 😄

Or maybe they doing it on purpose, because they want everyone to start it over, so they have a lot of time to fix the game 🤣

[uneven bramble]

I gotta be honest i was excited or the changes in the patch notes.

Then i logged in, seen almost no changes mentioned.

Went back to discord - season 1 optamization..

Aha - another slap in s3 players faces, no thanks.

I hope that the fact they have created this channel on discord they will finally listen.

Final warning devs. You will loose big playerbase over this. People already have left...
Wake UP

[spice glen]

? It was a player that created this...

[last flower]

Disgusting updates, nothing has been added to s2 and s3 for players, just a spit in the face from the developers. I give you 1 point out of 100 possible💩

[austere abyss]

I made a f2p account literally 3 days ago and have already opened 46 helio on it.

THREE DAYS. 46 DICE.

I pulled more leggos on a 3 day old f2p than I did my ENTIRE SEASON ONE on my main account. AND I SPENT OVER $100 ON MY MAIN ACCOUNT IN S1.

Tell me, in what world is this remotely fair?

I have been playing and supporting this game with $35/mo since global release. I cannot comprehend the sheer lack of care for players that have been sticking through thick and thin with the game, hoping for every season, every update to have something new, loyally playing the game, and then we get slapped in the face with EVERYTHING going to S1 players.

Okay cool we get Arena. That's cute. The Myth gear that was for S3 players is now implemented in S1 too. So even the "new" content that we got as S3 players has all been given to S1.

We have been waiting THREE seasons for new content and we didn't get it...

[clever rover]

Game just killed itself

[austere abyss]

Instead it was given to S1 and then they get a pile of free dice and leggo scrolls on top of it.

Unbelievable.

[sleek pelican]

They’re just killing old seasons off that’s all.

[austere abyss]

I'm gonna be honest, even if we didn't get any of the new content and the release is planned for S4, I am alright with that. Because I understand it is weird to release a bunch of new content midseason.

HOWEVER. Giving a massive amount of "compensation" to S1 players without considering players that have supported the game for 8 months is an absolute TRAVESTY.

I wouldn't care if you just gave S1 5 helio, whatever, that's just some freebies for the newbies.

But 50+ Helio and 20+ leggo scrolls is RIDICULOUS.

[cold heart]

Helper actually. Also the mod team overlords requested we gather feedback here - so please encourage people to post

[last flower]

We need more attention to this topic

[spice glen]

yeah either way not a dev

lol

[austere abyss]

Yeah Juju also told us to submit customer service reports

[cold heart]

Yea basically - this is for going to the Devs

So please do keep getting feedback in here

Tell your alliance, tell your friends, tell random people in discord

[rocky wave]

We are taking screenshots of all the comments here to send to the devs

[austere abyss]

Comparison is truly the thief of joy. If S1 was not given the massive amount of helio and scrolls we probably wouldn't be so mad.

At the very least I can accept that implementing all the new dungeons in the middle of S3 is weird so waiting until S4 is acceptable.

[last flower]

I agree, they forgot about s3 players, after such manipulations from the deve there is no desire to play....

[flint flax]

Devs devs.. do you hate us s2/s3 players? Do we not exist for you?

[austere abyss]

Yeah S1 is the golden child, we are the forgotten middle child

Sadlyfe

[tribal moth]

Should put it into perspective, if each helio is $5 USD and scroll is $7.50, S1 players get over $400 in value just today

[sleek pelican]

Why was season 1 given so much free helio dice? Those people will be season 2 eventually and we have to compete with them in racing events. This is not fair playing field. Stop ruining the game

[buoyant ruin]

It’s a shame to not get the update mid-season (S3), I think it could have brought people back somewhat. I understand it’s a lot to shake things up, but just getting the AFK xp would have been nice. Eagerly awaiting this content in Season 4, and I really hope for more content then as well. Arena seems better than it was, although stall comps were not (yet) adressed. Lots of Wyrmarrow (once) though, which is cool.

The issue is the compensation: the rewards given to S1 players (as compensation?) I have nothing against, it’s a bit weird but I don’t know the reasoning. I do not know however why S2 and S3 players were not give any compensation in that case; will they once they enter the next season? If so, please communicate that. If not, this is of course very disappointing to say the least. But, the worst part regarding this is the following: players that are just starting S2 especially, but probably most players across S2 and maybe S3, will eventually get merged with current S1 players. This means those S1 players have received a huge value pack, not give to others, which will give them a huge edge over the current-later-season players. This is unfair, but that’s life. What it also is however is hugely devaluing spent money by those current-later-season players. This is hugely dubious and will for sure cause them to not spend any more.

[thick ruin]

We carry months of enduring bugs, lack of content, boring PvP, spending our money, being loyal to the game, receiving the "worked as intended", having an absolutely broken hero like Rook...

This is how they pay the loyal playerbase? How long do they think we can put up with their rudeness and incompetence?

People are tired of this, people are leaving the game and they can only think of coming out with massive compensation for new players in S1?

Please hire an expert in playerbase management and retention and fire whoever is currently in charge of that, I have never seen anything more disastrous.

[sleek pelican]

Still no compensation for people that won multiple racing events only to be later disqualified by unwritten rules.

[cinder smelt]

if devs can exchange those 54 dice for 1 random exclusive legos to S2 and S3 players. This maybe will silent out the people.

[exotic knot]

All players have to be treated the same!!!
There is no acceptable reason why players from S1 get these amounts of free stuff! Unbelievable!!!

[thick ruin]

Yes there is, but then the players in S2 and S3 should receive the same share proportionally speaking

We should get compensation for 3 seasons.

Will they give it? I already told you no.

[exotic knot]

Sorry, but this move from the devs is ridiculous and a slap in the face of the loyal players (S2/S3)

[thick ruin]

It certainly is. This is probably the straw that broke the camel's back for many players who have been holding out in hopes of seeing an improvement in game management...

[hollow tide]

I think we need 1 well written "suggestion" about how this is unfair to anyone outside of season 1 and how we can't trust the devs going forward, it devalues our spending etc,

then we just all mass copy and paste to flood the suggestion forum with it lol

[sleek pelican]

Dear Developers,

I am writing to you on behalf of the dedicated players of Dragonheir who have been loyal supporters of your game throughout the seasons. While we appreciate the effort and dedication you have put into making the game an engaging experience, we are writing to express our concern regarding the recent disparity in rewards distribution between Season 1 players and those of subsequent seasons.

It has come to our attention that Season 1 players have been generously rewarded with significant amounts of dice and scrolls. While we understand the importance of celebrating newcomers to the game and acknowledging their contributions to the game's success, we believe that excluding Season 2 and Season 3 players from these rewards is unjust and creates an unfair advantage.

Many of us have invested both time and money into the game, eagerly anticipating the rewards and benefits that come with each new season. To see Season 1 players receive such substantial rewards while we are left without is disheartening and diminishes the value of our investment in the game.

We kindly request that you reconsider your approach and provide fair compensation to Season 2 and Season 3 players in line with what was offered to Season 1 players. This could take the form of equivalent amounts of dice and scrolls or comparable rewards that reflect our commitment to the game.

We believe that by addressing this issue and rectifying the disparity in rewards distribution, you will demonstrate your commitment to fairness and equity within the Dragonheir community. We eagerly await your response and hope for a resolution that will uphold the integrity of the game and ensure an enjoyable experience for all players.

[dusky oar]

Very very nice Post, well thought and Phrased, i totally agree here and its a prime example on HOW to elaborate and communicate ! And of course its put in to our feedback sheet

[clever rover]

100%.
But I would write in: I can’t even phrase the disappointment what old and loyal players feels after this” or something like this. Your msg is perfect, except it’s too kind 😛

[clever rover]

Where is the best to send the msg, so they gonna actually read it?

[sleek pelican]

If nothing is done, I can make an angrier one.

[dusky oar]

#🆘┆customer-service is a good way to Show them your thoughts

[austere abyss]

I've been complaining so much the past 3 days that I've run out my complaint box

[clever rover]

Don’t know why they need a screenshot there tho 🤣

Screenshot about what I didn’t get? Like the Amazon CS when the package is missing:”send a picture about your problem” 🤣

[thin jay]

Best call to action would be to request a chargeback from your bank this will quickly tell them in numbers

[tribal moth]

Send a pic of your angry face 😂

[clever rover]

If you refund, they gonna send you a msg about “your account balance is in minus, if you don’t get it in 0< in 14 days your account is gonna be permanently banned”

And I’m not kidding

[dusky oar]

The Screenshots is something we as discord crew take seperately

But doing the #🆘┆customer-service entry is a different way to express concerns and feedback

[thin jay]

Doesn't matter not gonna continue anyway

[crisp lynx]

I think all whales should take the money back action 😆

[dusky oar]

I dont know how this team would handle it, butbi seen games even press charges against refund-players

[thin jay]

Since they don't care about whales and dolphins and the rest in s2 s3 I think it's just to make an equal response

[thin jay]

Yeah best of luck to them

[mossy mauve]

So I can charge my money back if I plan to quit this game for good anyway? This patch and rook really kills me
Any money spend or just in the last month(s)

[dusky oar]

Most the time they been sucessfull. Why? TOS state that every game-part is subject to changes.

Most games wont, its roo much effort and too expensive

[thin jay]

They are not only ones that have TOS there are regulations on top of their shetty business entity

[clever rover]

Just vpn yourself into the EU and problem solved. (Which is illegal so don’t do it)

But back to the topic: arena update is insanely good. Lot of free gems. Still 0 chance to get the artifact but it was needed.

Disappointed to see 3v3 didn’t get the same rework just the fast battle button.

So 1v1 arena update: 10/8
3v3 update: 10/2
The rest is 0/10

AFK lvl up in s3 is awesome, just like the dungeon rewrote. Oh wait a minute we didn’t get it.

[mossy mauve]

IDK . With the several thousand tokens you got, the artifact should be easily possible. And I'm quite mad that during patch and Daily reset players could rank up and I'm now there with all used tickets and still in the several thousand ranks without ever seeing real players

[clever rover]

Buy the 10 tickets, that should take you to 800ish

I used 25 tickets and I’m 800. Don’t know how tf someone can jump to 1 tho 🤣

[mossy mauve]

Isn't each purchase just 1 ticket?

[clever rover]

It is. But 10*10gems=100 and you can get it back with 1 fight

So it’s worth it I think

Never spend gems on arena tickets, but now it’s kinda worth it

The greater you jump ranks, you got more gems

[mossy mauve]

Hardly...you get those gems immediately but you would've gotten them over time anyway... Maybe if it takes too many days and you can get higher rank reward each day to make it even...would need to math it out

[dim verge]

1 fight ? 😄 1 fight gives you 1 wyrmarrow. And daily reward gives you like 80

[clever rover]

When you are so far behind at the beginning, it gives you 90 actually

Per win

I just got 1100 for 10 fights so it’s worth it to buy that 10 tickets after the reset

For CS tickets use this picture 😂

[mossy mauve]

This event does not match new arena system... Before you'd get way more tickets daily than 10. I don't think you can actually finish the event without purchasing tickets....major flaw

[hollow tide]

is it only 10 daily, do they not replenish over time still?

[mossy mauve]

No. So only those that played before reset and after patch could do more than 10 today or purchase tickets

What a massive sh*tshow

[hollow tide]

you still get 40 tickets to do it though, that's enough

[torpid wave]

I was updated on S2 today, literally today and got dm from friend while they're in S1 get massive reward wtf, it's still at the same day lol

[mossy mauve]

Is it? I'm at 54points now after using 10... 4 times that would not get me to380

[hollow tide]

yeah s1 got given a huge bone .... other season got the same treatment just not in the hand

[hollow tide]

oh, do you not get more points for being a higher rank though, ytou may get more points from 10 tomorrow

if not then yeah. rip

[mossy mauve]

Well I can only confirm it tmr as there is no instance telling me about different points per rank.

[torpid wave]

I could understanding if time passed so many, but make me sad bcs it's still at the same day 😂

[hollow tide]

they'll probably do what they always do and just give everyone a free completion

[austere abyss]

21 points x 10 = 210 that's not too shabby

[sleek pelican]

Idk how you got only 54.

[hollow tide]

you'd need an average on 9.5 points per ticket if you get 40 tickets to complete that event

[sleek pelican]

You must have done very bad to not jump up ranks

[austere abyss]

There's only like 1k players per server so I'm assuming top 1k is a given

That's 13 a fight so 13x40 = 520

And you don't even have to win the fight

You get the points for doing the fight

[hollow tide]

isn't arena global now though?

[mossy mauve]

Dude you start at 15000 and ofc you only get 6 points per fight during first 10 Tickets

[sleek pelican]

Arena was global. Now it’s not

[austere abyss]

Seems to only be one server, I only see popel on my server

I'm 3rd right now

[hollow tide]

oh

[mossy mauve]

Hmm actually I lost one fight due to reasons and since I have 54/60 possible I think you need to win

[austere abyss]

Ah I see

[hollow tide]

you lost vs level 15s?

[austere abyss]

Then you can just freefarm the guys below your level

Anyone below your rank is an autowin fight

[sleek pelican]

First 10 tickets you should be around 5000 after that.. like it shouldn’t even be possible to get 54 points after 10 tickets

[hollow tide]

i did 10 fights and ended 10450

[sleek pelican]

Your not picking the lowest number to attack then

[hollow tide]

well, i did

[sleek pelican]

Should be jumping almost 1000 points each attack at that point..

[mossy mauve]

Yes I lost a fight against an actual player that once popped up, didn't check his equipment properly. But I'm still only around 6000 after 9 tickets always chosing lowest number. So yes 54 points definitely is a reasonable for first day

[sleek pelican]

Well I’m rank 12 now with 290 ace points so idk what to tell you

[mossy mauve]

Well either you spend to buy tickets or event started earlier on your server

[cinder smelt]

Todays update is just like april fool for S2 and S3 people.

[junior belfry]

It's really a huge let down.... Not just that they are throwing free stuff at S1 players that haven't even spend a dime and now... Why would they... With so much crap they get why should they even see the need to spend.

But all those later season players just get screwed over. Not just that, they even bring an absolut money grab mid season pseudo anniversary event where they instead of gifting something to their loyal player they try to rob us even more with 120 for a random leggo.

Tbh after this screw up it wouldn't even be overrated if they gift S2/3 120 dice to make sure they get their random trash leggo

Additional the whole rook thing... I got him but still think it's mean for those that did get him and looking at the chances to get him afterwards...

And not implementing most of the stuff for later season.... Most is qol and wouldn't effect rankings or so on. It would just help us enjoying the rest of this... Bull.... Crap season.

So far s3 was nothing then a new banner.
Nothing else... No story, no variety nothing... A plain cash grab

If I could I would refund everything I spend so far. At at this point I feel like I should have the right to do since what is happening is obviously a scam so far.

[dusky oar]

Hey all,

Just a small headsup: the Update for s1 is just the first step now, Updates for all seasons are in the making and will be shipped out when ready AND of course players will get compensated after the season update as well. The official announcement is pending and will be sent out soon. So please stay tuned to the announcement channel.!

[hollow tide]

Huge, better be as big as if not bigger than S1 though

[buoyant ruin]

Tell them to do it as quickly as possible and be concrete as possible

[thin jay]

Yeah regular "soon", patience is a thin ice

[last flower]

Yes, 3 more seasons have passed and we got something new 😆

[junior belfry]

Even if they compensate .... S1 got extra stuff now... And as soon as thy go S2 they will get addional stuff aswell.... So as current s3 player, I have no trust left we aren't losing out in the end compared to all previous season.

We s3 player were the spearhead of this game carrying it through all the content droughts so far. All compensation or bonuses have been clos to nothing.

Same for pioneer club. Getting huge amounts of feedback from a high quality player base and ppl who think about the game and how to make it better.... Not just that devs seem to not listen, they can't eve reward properly what ppl invest in this game.

Feedback was always something immensely valuable but as they are treating it it feels like they take it for granted

[pine bane]

Compensation? Lol, where is an update for later seasons players... Where's game content to play?
Do you think that "addicted" will just continue playing just because they have spent a lot already?

[exotic knot]

Do you think this situation is reason enough to get full refund for this game?

rook and now this

[regal crater]

Compensation wouldn't taste good anyways to me because I'm missing out on the actual activity that I should have experienced in s1 it's not about the free stuff for me it's about the experience I feel like I'm missing out if they keep adding new content in previous seasons that I've done we're all here for the experience sending me a bunch of dice to my mail wouldn't satisfy me cuz I feel like I'm robbed by this new event from now on please add whatever new quests or content to all seasons if it's an additional content and let us experience it

Thank you 👍

[thin jay]

No guys relax we got inshtarian rework now we can suck it up for 30 days

[stark lantern]

Im done giving them money whatever happens from now on

[hollow tide]

makes sense giving the extra content in s1 though as that's how they retain players, from s2 onwards you stay because you enjoy it or because you feel you've already invested the time and effort,. i just want the compensation

[stark lantern]

f2p till a better game comes out

[gaunt steeple]

It is disgusting that people that played for 3 seasons, including during the worse situations to get only 80 wyrmmarrow compensation while new players in s1 get insane amounts of rewards. Punishing anyone that played from release of the game, punishing anyone that paid and supported the game. As a paying customer, to me personally seems like scam and exploitation since I had to play and paid for worse state of game without any payoff that completely new accounts receive. If this wont be addressed I will stop spending as well do as much as i can to get refunds and encourage others to get refunds as well. Especially to people in Europe since this seems against ECC.

[regal crater]

I want the whole experience but yeah compensation is fair

[hollow tide]

no better time than now to start a new account and experience it lol

[gaunt steeple]

I know about that, first step for now can mean, second step can come in a week, month, year from now

[thick ruin]

🔜

[gaunt steeple]

It is ridiculous to expect people that played for 3 seasons, invested time AND money into them to have to reset that progress and investment back to 0 S1 to experience the game in full that they get

[regal crater]

We've come this far in s3 it would be a waste of my time going back it's been over half a year I can't go back in time like this xd

[junior belfry]

Thy can reset me to S1 on my s3 account... But only if I get to keep all my champs xD

[gaunt steeple]

Then their "ranked" will be invalid and new players in huge deficit even with extra rewards to compete.

if they didnt have any sort of ranked experience this would have been less of an issue and people trying to compete for it would not be impacted as such

[clever rover]

Already too late. The damage is done

But thanks for the info❤️

[dusky oar]

Well, we can only Pass things forward we get...i wish they had announced it in the patchnotes to explain its a step-by-step thing... but here we are, unfortunately

[clever rover]

It’s not against you!
Yeah that would be good. 0 hate, 0 problem with it. Like: s1 compensation is first, then s2, then s3. But naaah they said nothing.

[pine bane]

Did someone find a campaign chapter at S3? I'm pretty sure it was announced to be added "a bit later"?

[dusky oar]

And please stop talking about refunds in here as it is against the rules of the game, regardles of any countrys laws. You can do it in DM or elswhere but not here, thank you.

[pine bane]

Cheating customers(players) with promises that game is not going to do are pretty legal in every country. Sure, why not?

[terse berry]

will s2/3 players get# the same rewards as S1?

[mossy mauve]

to "compensate" for what we miss out on during the half year we supported the game it should be more... but i doubt we get anything noteworthy except "events" that want us to spend money

[dusky oar]

Hopefully even more... but we do not have any Infos about amounts of compensation yet, and no date of arrival of Updates for s2 and s3 at this time. Maybe when the official announcement is done, we know more.

[terse berry]

more would be nice, but I think everyone would have been happy if every player got the same regardless of season - giving just s1 players feels bad and makes people who have stuck with the game feel not valued

[robust river]

Rebalanced but his dragon still doesn't revive

[mossy mauve]

didn't read his skills yet... but what a huge letdown that his dragon is still not revivable

would his buff go to joyce summons? would be quite nice then regardless... normal summons are trash anyway as they die immediatly

[junior belfry]

But isn't what they are to more or less way worse.

I mean we are not allowed to talk about refund while they scam us xD

[shell pewter]

Dear all Travelers,

Thank you for your interest and feedback on "Dragonheir: Silent Gods." Regarding your concern about the excessive maintenance rewards on the S1 server, we sincerely apologize for any inconvenience or confusion caused.

We understand your worries and assure you that we will do our utmost to ensure all players have a fair and enjoyable experience in the game. Due to the feedback received from numerous players, we have recently made adjustments to some core gameplay mechanics and initially implemented them on the S1 server to ensure that new players' gaming experience is not fragmented. However, please rest assured that we will apply these adjustments to other servers in the future, providing corresponding compensation for players on S2 and S3.

As this adjustment involves multiple aspects, we need some time to observe, verify, and continuously optimize it, so we are unable to provide a specific timeline at the moment. But please trust that we will complete these adjustments as soon as possible and implement them on other servers.

Once again, thank you for your support and understanding of "Dragonheir: Silent Gods." The Dragonheir development team will continue to work hard to bring our travelers a better gaming experience.

[austere abyss]

I am actually suspicious that rates may have been boosted on S1 servers as well. The probability of receiving 5 leggo in 35 dice at 3% rate is extremely low.

I don't think this is merely "luck" as many others have gotten similarly inflated rates of leggos.

[mossy mauve]

i'd be really rich if i got a penny for everytime "in the future"

[austere abyss]

If it's just one or two players then I could chalk it up to randomness in sample size but we're starting to get into the "statistically improbable" range here

[green sky]

I don’t understand the new arena system. I had to fight against bots, Lv. 3-6? What is happening with the arena. I want the old arena back.

[robust river]

" initially implemented them on the S1 server to ensure that new players' gaming experience is not fragmented".

But we s3 players had to play s1 exactly as them. Was our experience "fragmented"? Shouldn't the improvements and rewards prioritize those who played since the start rather than totally new players?

[exotic knot]

This answer says nothing except there will be something in the future… 🙈

[gaunt steeple]

so that means nothing, s2 and s3 will get nothing as as we got "update for s3 content in the future"

[terse berry]

if they really wanted, they could give s2 and 3 players the same as s1 now, then some extra later, wonder why they wont....

[gaunt steeple]

they didnt update core features of the game either, not just compensations, we are essentialy punished by playing worse version of the game in forcing us to restart and start to spend from 0 again since we are in s3/s2

[terse berry]

yes, i'd understand if they would say some things e.g. Fey changes couldn't be implemented until new season start, as I suspect that's a lot of manual reworking, but hero training, goblins should all be doable no matter the season i would think

[dusky oar]

Read again... it says s2 and s3 will get the Updates and compensation in the future...

[gaunt steeple]

yes, same as it said that we will get further content for s3 in the future (which we still didnt half way through the season)

I was respectful, and i understand this is hard situation for you and other mods, but i am not here to be gaslight and insulted as a customer, paying one at that. Same as i try not to be insulting toward you guys, and if i was i apologize for it.

[dusky oar]

You havent been rude or anything, all good there 🙂

The update announcement should have had the step-by-step part included from the start, that would have been a better way of communication, and yet here we are and clear of the shattered glasses 😉

[gaunt steeple]

Yea, it is always unfortunate that mod teams and community management teams get brunt of the impact when situations like this happen.

[clever rover]

So “don’t stop playing and paying and SOMETIME we gonna compensate” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Future is a big time span. Maybe we gonna get it on s6 🤷🏻‍♂️

[terse berry]

Are you discussing timelines internally - it would be good to know when the community can expect to hear something more concrete

[dusky oar]

We dont get timelines mentioned, as too much unexpected happend in the past to cause delays

[thin jay]

This vague in the future for sure triggers a lot of people by now

[crisp lynx]

No, they want you to stop playing, stop complaining, but keep paying until the game die hard😆

[terse berry]

I see, but surely you can understand if the players only hear 'sometime in the future' they are unlikely to be confident that the promise will be followed through on - even a roadmap to show priority of things being worked on would be good (it could be without dates and still go a long way to reassuring people)

[exotic knot]

I would like to stand up for @dusky oar . He is an outstanding moderator and the only one who actively supports the community here, and his dedication is truly felt. I'd like to express my gratitude to Tobi for his tireless efforts to limit the damage and for his tremendous commitment to supporting us.

[dusky oar]

I agree, a timline or Roadmap would be wonderful, something we been asking since cbt1 already and yet didnt happen unfortunately

[dusky oar]

Thanks my friend, but the other mods do a great job as well! Cudos to them too !

[crisp lynx]

Yeah, tobi is very supportive and the videos are good

[terse berry]

That's unfortunate, perhaps this situation may help change that - appreciate your answer

[sleek pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-gif-19121692

[dusky oar]

Thanks mate!

[oblique bear]

i agree this is total bullsh*t. - s1 gets everything even mythics???? s2 gets bent over and buggered so unfair.

[clever rover]

Juuuuuust like we didn’t even know when we gonna get the anniversary event 😃
(Not to mention new content for s3)

[austere abyss]

Our mods have always been great, this is true.
And they (unfairly) take the brunt of our complaints because they're the closest people that are up the food chain that we can reach. So it's times like these that we really should take the time to appreciate them :)

[woven prism]

This game not even care about old player !!!

[restive pier]

Quitting 3...2...1...

[mossy mauve]

i wonder. if people start to play this game in a few weeks or even later... will they still receive the "compensation"? i just imagine people starting a few days later and in s2 they get merged with those that got a free headstart

[dusky oar]

Thank you all for your kind words in this troublesome day towards the <@&1024931953465626644> <@&1151270344158629959> <@&1151269147418828881>

They all are doing a fantastic job, collecting all thoughts, suggestions, feedback and yes, negativity

[mossy mauve]

all that's left to do for today

[drifting sphinx]

Give SEASON 2 AND 3 the same treatment that you gave SEASON 1.... we have spent more money and help the game get to the point it is. extremely looking to quite after this season if we don't get the same treatment

[woven prism]

near future until we forget about this compensation ? lol

[exotic knot]

245 Posts in 'Rook and Game Health' in three weeks.
235 posts in „5/10 Patch…“ in half a day!!!!

And the Rook problem is already a very player-relevant issue."

[warped crystal]

It will just try to be a little patient.

[drifting sphinx]

sorry i didn't ready everything in this thread and now i am calmed down after reading it. but since a lot of people will be coming and not reading everything like i initially did, they honestly need to announce this themselves

[woven prism]

they want old palyer to quit and back to paly s1 :v then the dark evil cycle begin lol

[dawn summit]

we said this multiple times they are so bad at announcing things

we been saying it for months

[mossy mauve]

"in the future"

[restive pier]

In the Future... We can wait forever.

[novel anvil]

Please refrain from swearing thank you

[brittle palm]

Honestly the Devs are flat out clueless. It's all fair and dandy to want new players and to try and retain them, but by doing so they have just shafted every single one of us who have supported them throughout all of it and even the vague "promises" of future compensation doesn't shelve any ill feeling as by time the Devs sort it out (which won't be till S4 for the first servers anyone thinking it will be earlier are daft). There going to lose a significant amount of the player base. I already wasn't happy about the Whale Bait Anniversary event and now this?

[buoyant ruin]

Could be a cultural thing?

[clever rover]

Damn…
So “thanks for the mods for their work in this situation. You are doing a fantastic job” 😁

[dawn summit]

idk whatever it is the information is not going through well so many peopel go ballistic which also is a cultural thing xd

[novel anvil]

Haha thanks. Sorry just doing my job

[clever rover]

No worries. Discord didn’t said I can’t write it, so I forgot to change it 😅

[dusky oar]

#📢┆game-announcements

The aforementioned announcement is live

#📢┆game-announcements

[gaunt steeple]

so in essence: s2 and s3 is getting nothing because it is too complicated?

[slender night]

business in general - the cost of retaining existing customers will always be a whole lot cheaper than acquiring new ones. in a way, your existing customers will aid in promoting your products to new ones if they are satisfied. instead this is how players who have stayed and play the game through 2 and 3 seasons, even beta like they don't really matter

[dusky oar]

No, read again. S2 and s3 will get their respective compensations when the update is rolled out in the seasons.

[gaunt steeple]

ok, because this part "We will try our utmost to ensure that S2 and S3 players will not be interrupted by sudden extensive changes during the season, which would probably create a strong sense of fragmentation. " seemed that no changes will happen during s2 and s3 and only after

[buoyant ruin]

My guess is that it will be given at the start of the next season, so technically you are correct yeah

[brittle palm]

We will see, I don't have any faith in the Devs right now. The outrage when the compensation is literally nothing will be juicy. The Devs don't care about those of us who've supported them thus far.

[mossy mauve]

No worries at end of the season they'll compensate some free bread like they did before

[woven prism]

he will give us thing in next seaon no this season thank you 🙂

[gaunt steeple]

im trying to have little optimism, but no sufficient timeline, just open ended promises after several were already broken is hard to trust in

[dawn summit]

i think your timeline is 4 start, if it's not there i think you should be mad

[last flower]

Very good excuses. That's just it looks like you need to attract new players, as well as like the old ones from s2 and s3. There is already no content in the game, people are playing this game hoping that something good will turn out. And as a result, another disappointment from the dev

[stone sandal]

I for once don't care if only S1 players got free stuff. I mean they are not competing with us now anyway so who cares. But I DO care for arena update. 1v1 arena maybe was not the best thing in the world but it was working. And what we got now is complete garbage. On the other hand live arena is avoided by players like plague and could really use a change - and got nothing.

[gaunt steeple]

there is also bunch of other qol that werent added for s3.... training camp, goblin update, fey meander update, it is not just rewards compensation

[terse berry]

i would hope that if they're updating it at s4 start, they'll do it across the board, not just for those going into s4. Imagine the players recieving all these QoL changes in S1 just to go into S2 and find they're all gone

[last flower]

it hurts me to look at people who have invested a lot of money. Who have heroes with an inspiration level of +5 and they are beaten by a new Rook character and they are not even able to catch up with him. Thanks dev

[dawn summit]

yeah same

i think s2 people right now are in the worst spot

[clever rover]

We gonna get it on s4 and they going to say it’s next content and stuff FOR s4 😄

[mossy mauve]

Well hopefully they'll be able to avoid rook infested s3

[last flower]

Oh, yes, or they can give you 15-200 red crystals 😆

[stone sandal]

Goblin went from 13 stages total to 12? not much of update. Training camp? I'm sure XP rates are so low it does not matter. More stages in Fey? No thanks, 180 is by far enough for me.

[clever rover]

54 dices, 24 legendary scrolls and like 5K gems yes please

[mossy mauve]

I had similar thoughts...like hey s3 end now, but jokes on you like s3 we didn't get any story for s4 so now you can start to enjoy the updates s1 got

[terse berry]

it's significant enough to be jarring, which would go against the whole 'avoid player fragmentation' thing they said as the reason for the s1 only rollout

[pine bane]

While it was announced at the beginning of S3 that we will add campaign chapter in S3 shortly we get nothing, S1 get the update without announcement.
As for me it looks like dev is more interested in obtaining just new players. Because S1 was pretty nice when since start. And once you step into S2 and further it's absolute disaster.

[dawn summit]

i am in global launch servers i am getting rammed by the rat king on daily basis

[terse berry]

agreed, im halfway into s2 🫠

[clever rover]

“New features on S4” the sad thing is can imagine they gonna do this and announce like that

Or they just going to be like “oh damn you already started S4.. that’s bad because it’s hard to change all the stuffs, please wait for S5”

[last flower]

yes, s2 and s3 are a complete failure, I think if nothing changes in s4, there will be no content and storyline, then apparently this will be the sunset of the game

[clever rover]

Or they gonna implement another 20 day waiting period between S3 and S4 because of this 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[mossy mauve]

Might as well say no s4 we abolish seasons and now y'all get to enjoy s1 again

[last flower]

maybe they will make 15 levels of goblins😆

[pine bane]

The better decision would be to push all from S3 to S1 and say sorry we whipped you progress down. Please take 300 wyrm compensation from your mail box.

[clever rover]

After many years of gaming culture there was plenty of occasions when a company did something wrong(EA,Sony,CA,Blizzard, NetEase, Netmarble) but this is a new kind of low

[pine bane]

And do not forget your 2 starlight dice

[clever rover]

For 300k I would to it!

[thin jay]

Yet in all of those cases there were people defending this vullshit just like some do now ;D

[pine bane]

We will think about it in future, maybe but definitely not. Take 300

🥲

[last flower]

This company is not that generous

[cold heart]

I’m from the EQ1 days. We’ve got a bit left to go before we compare to Sony and Blizzard.

[dawn summit]

im sorry blizzard is the worst company in the history deal with it

[cold heart]

I haven’t been told to (censored) by Dev yet

[dawn summit]

and you all old heads that think they were the best are delusional

[clever rover]

EA brother EA but it’s a close race

[dawn summit]

ok sorry true

i forgot they exist

i don't consume theyr content

you are right

[cold heart]

EA isn’t a gaming company. The rest of this statement I can’t post here.

[clever rover]

EA is on another lvl, so yeah you are right too 😄 we can’t compare any other company to them

[dawn summit]

i just had personal rollercoaster with blizzard i never stepped into the EA's ride just watching from the side

[brittle palm]

Blizzard only went bad once they were bought out by Activision and slowly got rid of the old guard.

[clever rover]

Metzen is back(I personally know his wife and him) so hopefully at least the story part of WoW is gonna be good

The rest is beyond redemption

[iron sluice]

Disrespectful at minimum

[clever rover]

My problem with this patch is not what they doing(s1 testing it). But HOW they doing it(no notice, no explanation, etc.). We got an announcement AFTER they saw our reaction(at least we got it 🤣).

[dawn summit]

that was my problem too

[pine bane]

Why are you talking about another games here?

[clever rover]

Cuz we are free people

[dawn summit]

but it always was like that the communicaton sucks it's that simple

we been telling them that since start of the game

[clever rover]

Maybe in the FUTURE it’s gonna change 🤣

[ocean pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-sad-sad-stitch-gif-14364046974961747120

[clever rover]

Soon™

[dawn summit]

we got campfire updates from D4 team i can't believe that blizzard would ever do that so there is a hope for other people

but don't get me started on D4 tho xd

[pine bane]

Oh got it, I'm sorry for this stupid question, I'm asking just because I'm not.

[cold heart]

There is like a level of "Mostly" on topic we'd like to see. @novel anvil will just delete stuff if Mamba or I get too off topic.

[novel anvil]

Unfortunately i can police them as much as possible but they will always go off topic. Aslong as its not offensive and they go later back to topic then cool

[urban drift]

Good to hear S2+ players will be getting all the shiny new rewards too, but a lot of the saltiness could have been avoided if they mentioned that together with the patch notes. Hope they do that for any future asymmetrical content rollout

[smoky eagle]

this is an unfair patch for players of seasons 2 and 3

[exotic knot]

the compensation for S2 & S3 can not be the same like in S1 in my opinion. Because in S1 most of the players have started and have nothing (no legendary heroes and no legendary artifacts). So every legendary is very warm welcome to them. BUT S2 & S3 players have already some legendary heroes and artifacts! For example gaiolere or Sharlach and also the nekro legendary artifact for summoner and so on. So that wouldn’t be a real benefit for the S2 & S3 players! And what if you already have the necro legendary artifact ??? Many open questions… AND what if in 15 days starts S3 for me and other players? should we all wait for S4, another 3 months ??? So it says in their response: „…we have to wait for the feedback of S1 players if the new patch is good…“ 👍🏻 So congrats… I have to start S3 with nothing! No content and „ROOK“ Season 🙈

[exotic knot]

And another question: If all S2 and S3 players will get also a compensation later, will the S1 players get also these compensations later on?

[clever rover]

Hell nah

S2-3 needs a compensation and a compensation for the late compensation 😄

[woven prism]

who say that ? we dont even know they will give same .. and this will happen in new season not now

[quick plank]

I hope to receive a letter with compensation tomorrow.

[dusky oar]

Officials said it in here and in #📢┆game-announcements that s2 and s3 will get the Updates too in the future

[quick plank]

@dusky oar We already got the story in c3 in the future. And Events. And a number of other promises. Or didn't receive?

[woven prism]

in future but reward not same anymore lol and you will forget about this compen

[buoyant ruin]

It's just not cutting it, I see it across the communities I am in

Maybe announcing the exact timing and exact compensation might work, but this is (another) nail in the coffin. It might just be another couple of hundred most engaged and often purchasing players gone just with this, on top of everything, despite what happens next

[iron sluice]

Unfair is a polite way to see it. It is disrespectful at minimum

[violet shadow]

I just did the 3rd goblin in the list. Intuitively that's goblin3. It's goblin 1 though... I hardly watch the game while playing, so only noticed when autobattles were done

Could say: #noreadgang but on the other hand: 🤷‍♂️

[woeful hill]

Complete and utter farce from top to bottom. Even the new announcement from them is a bad joke. It translates like: (Sorry we messed up, but unmessing our mess up is too difficult, so, at some unknown point in the future we may be in a position to unmess things, but don't quote us on that) Like seriously. I have given these idiots money???

[gilded tapir]

i personally think everything is fine, no issues or complaints about the changes made. I don't expect things to happen instantly without testing, and best way to do that may be with players that would not be impacted by those changes (early season). That said, i wish we got better communication from the developer on this game in general - not a new issue... but one that is being exacerbated by continual lack of attention. overcommunication is better than dead silence or no response to community concerns. we share a lot of suggestions here, and very few get official responses. Establish a cadence for that - monthly i would say is sufficient - so we have an expectation of future content release schedule. pretty basic in tech sector... letting us down here.

[sleek pelican]

They have the anniversary event on the official webpage… with no date… who does that??

SGRA game announcement department in a nutshell.

[iron sluice]

At some point when we were in s2 there was a adjustment in s1 that they got an epic hero (a bad one) and something else. Than we on season 2 got a announcement and similar compensation.
Very simple, everyone was positively surprised and with feelings of respectful treatment.

Why did it got so bad this time?

[terse berry]

the devs had an opportunity to win a lot of player good will with these changes, but they have managed to turn it into some incredibly bad PR by restricting it, even content creators who are usually v positive don't seem optimistic that they'll follow through on this vague promise of rolling out to everyonne

[rocky shoal]

well, you can view everything as bad or negative if you really want to. The real problem here wasn't how they did the changes, it was the communication, I'm afraid. While some peoply always complain a lot less complaining would have happened if they would've told us from the beginning that it will come in waves.

[ocean pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-that-is-correct-thats-right-good-job-way-to-go-gif-18723702

[quick plank]

Hmmmm....new day and no latter with compencation....

[uneven bramble]

Also my arena tries have not reset

[pine bane]

So how dumb is this decision to make S1 even more fancy and right after you fall in S2 and that there is nothing to play there. And say BYE BYE.
And where are players for S4 transition.
🤦‍♂️🤦🤦‍♀️

[oblique bear]

On the whole it’s a great update, but the simple reason that only s1 got it is the issue - just roll it out for s2 and s3 = fixed. It’s that simple.

K.i.s.s

[dusky oar]

From a Programmer pov: no. Its not that simple, because probably each season has its own set of codes and has to be adjusted codewise step by step individually. It is an assumption, but probably pretty close to the truth of how seasons are coded: replicas of the old Code with added new parts to it

From a gamer pov: i agree, would have been good to do all at once.

[quick plank]

@dusky oarWhat code prevents you from making the same letters with gifts as in the first season?

[dusky oar]

It not Gifts, its the rewards for changed quests and s2 and s3 will get theirs when changed too

See #📢┆game-announcements

And not everyone has gotten the same, as it is progress-based compensation for quests you have finished in that season and now got changed

For the rest, like the purchasable artifact, it hopefully gets added soon as well.

[novel anvil]

I wonder how many players actually know how hard coding is? Like its not as simple as you think and its takes ling time to code because you gotta make sure every formula is correct

[quick plank]

Well, this is a lie. You will never do this. It is obvious. This event is tightly tied to Season 1. If you put it in season 3. This will mean that when the first season goes to 3, they will receive a second round of gifts. Or they will have their content cut out. You won’t cut content from the first season every time. Obviously you are misleading us.

@novel anvilWe know how mailing works.

[novel anvil]

I see so you are an expert on coding and rolling out codes and changing formulas and knowing how everything works with making a game because you have studied it and you have even created your own game.
Good to know

[quick plank]

We know how mailing works. )

[dusky oar]

It is what the official announcment said and should have been said from the go. And it will happen sooner or later. I have faith 🙂

[dusky oar]

It was not mailing it was rewards sent automatically for changed quests and it was different for individual progress

[quick plank]

At least thanks for answering. You're not a developer, are you?

[dusky oar]

If you mean: for DragonHeir, than no. Have i been developing stuff, than yes.

[quick plank]

Yes. I mean DH. And from the information received, I realized that the minimum time to receive gifts is when the season changes. And most likely never. Thanks for communication.

[novel anvil]

Why do you keep saying never?

In genuinely curious

[quick plank]

I can't explain it properly. This is not my native language. I tried above, but it doesn't seem to be very clear.

[novel anvil]

Well you can post in you native tongue. Everyone knows how to use translate🙂

[buoyant ruin]

Forced negativity

[novel anvil]

Thats why id rather ask than assume and with a language difference i can understand if theres a slight misunderstanding

[quick plank]

Ну если в двух словах, разрабы нам настолько часто "говорят неправду", что веры в их слова больше нет. Этот эвент привязан к первому сезону. Если его переставят на второй или третий, это будет означать что когда первый сезон будет переходить на 2 а потом третий, нужно будет либо давать им награду по второму кругу либо каждый раз вырезать. 100% такого местные разрабы делать не будут. Мы все видели как тут выполняют обещания, если у них маленький коллектив и они неуспевают, то кодить чтото отдельно для нескольких серваков они точно не будут, нам тут каждый раз пишут что мы не пониманимаем как это сложно, ну а раз это сложно, то либо это либо новый контент. Уверенность в том что недадут придает подача информации об этом событии, почемуто она со временем претерпевает измения. На текущий момент 100% ясно что если этот эвент будет запущен, то исходя из тех квестов что там есть, это будет исключительно при смене сезона. и никак ни раньше, тоесть минимальное время ожидания месяц. И совокупность всех этих факторов, наложенная на постоянное вранье о офигенном контенте который нас ждет когдато в будующем, вызыват стойкую уверенность в том что нам "говорят неправду".

[robust river]

[novel anvil]

I see well

1. Please remove the swear words as thats not allowed. Thank you

2. Ive been here since beta/CBT1 and i understand how you and MANY others can feel that way because of how they dont communicate or constantly use the words "working as intended" even if its not right. I get the frustrations of the player base because ive been with all of them as a mod every step of the way through small ups and huge downs.

The biggest problem is the communication that is seriously lacking and it even frustrates us mods as the blame and anger falls on to us and we are left to calm the masses, BUT i do understand testing all this out on s1 servers and working your way up because each season is technically different, rewards are different, progress is different and unfortunately NO ONE knows whats going on by the developers or whats going on with tencent or anything but by them sending out that latest announcement about getting to s2 and s3 soon means that the player base will hold them to their word because what they written there is a written promise to everyone though we need to be patient unfortunately.

So yes we do understand your anger and frustrations and let downs and yes we constantly are reporting things. Just atleast wait and see what happens, because even im waiting to see if they keep to their end of the agreement and I'm a mod.

We only say its not easy to do what they do because it isnt and we dont know how big their team is and how many people work on a season etc so it is also difficult to say whats going on, though saying their jobs are easy and anyone can do it isnt right either.

[quick plank]

Вот видите вы им тоже уже не верите. Хотите верить, но уже не можете.

[novel anvil]

I have hope as the changes are in the right direction but if they dont do the same for other seasons then theres no point playing so im a player just like all of you i just have hope which keeps me going

[quick plank]

🤝

[oblique bear]

its more constructive be more positive and supportive with feedback, devs are humans too 🙂 i appreciate all of us are frustrated - lets hope it gets sorted out sooner rather than later =/

[dreamy jetty]

NOT FAIR

[woven prism]

S2 and S3 Travelers will no doubt receive compensation soon
250 gems 🙂 + Thanks for Playing lol

[thin jay]

If devs use different codebase for different servers that's such a failure from architecture point of view

If you code is not even 1 year old and you experience problems with doing smooth feature updates or rollout release simultaneously, then you definitely messed up somewhere badly

[novel anvil]

Im so glad we have so many experts in this channel that we can always turn to for advice when we need it

[thin jay]

Well I work in software development so yes you can ask

You also don't need to be an expert in software development so to understand that code is messed up when your 2nd big release is already delayed indefinitely

Putting aside their business obstacles

[novel anvil]

So how would you of done it? More or less

[crude tangle]

So many Players in s2 and S3 who dont have Legend artifact right now but they play your game loyalty and you gave the legend artifact to s1 omg

Rip

And you think players of S2 and S3 skipped playing S1 story? Omg RIP

[thin jay]

Simple approach would be to avoid seasoned system in gacha, but let's imagine we go with this system then:
Your season 1 = your core 1.0 , season 2 is 1.1 etc
If you really want to have branched codebase that is linear you wouldn't implement changes in your 1.0 code branch while you have 1.2 already live.
If shorter, just experiment on a latest release version or create a separate replica of latest season (release) which they have btw, and test and experiment there

Maybe some more experienced person can help me understand how this is gonna be sustained long-term when they shuffle releases across different code versions

[crude tangle]

Bruh if you want to update new system of S1 and new stories and rewards PLEASE Improve first with Newest Server Which all the new players only Experience the stories of S1 and Get the rewards.
Nah Added in S1 who has cheked in for days and They got Reward. Omg RIP

Thats the reason why so many bad complaints. Learn from Rise of kingdoms Game. They do System play every season too and When they updated new system Every single players Tasted the rewards and Look how that game makes lot of money NOW. Unbelievable. A little bit disappointed about new system thanks. And btw the amounts of wyrmarrow now in Arena is decreased extremely. Limited Ticket and 100/10 Tickets and No Rewards Weekly and If you want to get Top 1 you should defeat top 1. Wow How Amazing 😭😭

#RIP_Dragonheir

[novel anvil]

I cant really argue with that as what say makes actual sense, i understand what you mean, its almost like they playing jenga but from straight the bottom

[novel anvil]

Though i wouldnt wanna be the one that would have to go through 3 seasons of bugs and errors all at once

[ivory plume]

This update is inexcusable. Not wanting to update the other season because it would be disruptive?? It’s basically the same game, what about season 1 players huh? Isn’t this disrupting their experience? Or is their experience not valid for whatever imaginary reason? It’s a competitive game, the double speak is amazing. You literally have a test server…. Am I going insane?? Like the update is great but it’s clear the excuse for not giving at least the rewards to other seasons is a blatant lie.

[woven prism]

saturday and sunday they holiday :V so no one will read this tho wait till monday

[thick ruin]

Mods and Helpers are aware of all suggestions every day and take reports for the Devs. Count on all this information going as high as we can.

[woven prism]

wohh niceee

[uneven bramble]

Totally, breaking WHAT experience in s3 exactly ? There is nothing new, there is no experience to be disrupted

🤪🤣

[junior belfry]

Yeah like I said earlier. Everything new in S3 so far we're new heros and mythic pieces..... Nothing else. Not even a fraction of story or anything.

S1 is way more disrupted since they had actual story for one or two months.
Even S2 only had story for the frist 3 days. Then Iz was basically over.

If any of all season is disrupted it's season 1.

So thy saying not wanting to disrupt the experience of S2 and S3 heros can only be called a blatant lie.... Or do I miss something?

[sleek pelican]

There’s a difference between debugging and totally revamping everything lol

[junior belfry]

It would make even more sense to implement most of those feature, special those related to leveling, for S3, since S3 player got big enough roaster to build 15 teams.

[novel anvil]

Ok cool thanks for the input

[carmine mulch]

I think this update is beyond pointless, it's like a slap in the face to anyone playing the game in S2 and S3, why invest in new players while ones that are actually carrying your own game and product through S2 and S3 get left behind, shouldn't S3 players get the newer content, and if it's that hard that you enroll it one season at a time, then tell us to wait, then that's an even worse of a problem, it only shows how incompetent they are as developers unable to handle the servers and their own updates properly, a new player in S1 can easily now clear the entire game content with the insane amount of resources us veterans had to gather day and night, I mean somebody has to address this and do it in a respectful manner to us older players.

@novel anvil that's the right channel for this right?

[uneven bramble]

Also they have said that they will gather feedback from s1 players. Lets be honest, no offence intented, those guys are mostly rookies struggling to clear stage 50 in fae meander, or defeat stage 8 of heretinc dungeon.

Wouldnt it be better to gather feedback forst from guys that are 3 seasons in ?

That have actually played through the games 3 times almost ?

Season 1 is all right, huge story mode, everything is new, gathering your teams etc. Season 1 was the best for me to be honest.

S3 is a huge joke, now even more

[carmine mulch]

Who would complain about freebies dude? Guys in season one? You can forget about those and ones in season two well, creating a new account and basically getting whatever they spent on game for free in season one that's an option for them, but ones like us in S3 with no content to even keeps us logging back in except a sorry excuse of a farmable leggo which btw isnt even as good as some epics, yeah us in S3 got totally left out.

[pulsar creek]

update at this major scale will need observation on the whole game flow. s1 is the best server to test on because you get new s1 servers created every other day. between disrupting the game experience of vets who already have a clear game plan for the season and s1 'rookies' who 90% are kinda clueless, it is less impactful to test the updates on the new players.

you guys will be singing a very different tune if the update is a huge problem and become unplayable for all seasons. probably on the lines of 'the game does not do any test on their updates and the dev sucks'. they do test now and the way it is done is via implementing on season 1. you guys will be getting the updates regardless anyways just be patient.

some gacha games has test beta servers but i dont think anyone will be interested to play dragon heir beta servers that will be wiped once testing its done. its a huge chore and you dont get anything. their only other choice is to test updates on live servers really.

[mossy mauve]

actually there are test servers

[pulsar creek]

who is playing them though? there are some mentions on newer s1 servers having gold issues now for example because of fey major change

i do know the content creators have access to test servers for early access

[mossy mauve]

how can they have gold issues because of fey changes that are a day old? sounds like bad gold management beforehand... gold has never been much in s1 especially for f2p

[pulsar creek]

in fey stages you actually get lots of gold running around opening chest

now that fey is just one battle without stages it might actually contribute to gold problems. i am 50/50 on that because the few times i run to fey to get gold is handful at best

but there is already feedback on this so it can potentially be a thing

[dusky oar]

The testserver only has the newest seasons on it for CCs to post content on the season. Its not a real testserver, its more like a private Server thats not linked to the liveservers.

Gametesting itself is only done by official staff

Would it be cool to have access to all seasons ? Probably. Can it be set up? Exceeding my knowledge in programming.

[oblique bear]

yeah there isnt really any noticable difference between s1, s2 and s3 - apart from some new heroes and changed affinitys.. :/

so the defence of having it for s1 only because of blah blah doesnt really hold any water.

they need to scrap the whole season malarky and get everyone on the same version of the game.

seasons are fine, but having different servers on different seasons is madness just roll every server onto the same season.

your having to maintain 3 different versions of the game for no reason tbh.

and the longer it takes to make the bold move of scrapping different versions of the game and putting everyone on the same version - the worse its going to get.

[sleek pelican]

Curious how they plan on eventually juggling dozens of seasons if they can’t even handle patching 3 properly.

[pulsar creek]

season 1 has very huge change in terms of affinities. it make chief, otherworld exploration, fey and tower of trials significantly easier. not to mention the new free necro lego

i am not sure what you meant by no 'noticable difference' when every f2p player now can hit 22m pretty easily and compete with whales on even footing since even if whales can do 45m with inspiration 5, it doesnt matter cause its capped at 22m. vortex is the only place whales can show off with 300-400m dps but vortex dont contribute much to seasonal score.

[buoyant ruin]

For whales: the seasonal score is also influenced by the number you score above 22M for the ladder ranking, making 13-15 teams that can do 22M in OW and the endboss ranking. Those are all more impactful than Vortex, and Vortex matters on the edges as well

[sleek pelican]

There is no cap on endgame boss.

[buoyant ruin]

Yeah no one is saying there is?

[sleek pelican]

You’re saying f2p can compete with whales. They can’t.

[buoyant ruin]

Nope, not saying that

[pulsar creek]

wrong reply nutbar

and i am referring to otherworld challenges because the new s1 changes made otherworld quite competitive now

[sleek pelican]

Yeah wrong person

[pulsar creek]

this is referring to another comment on the insignificance of s1 updates

[sleek pelican]

Otherworld always was that way. But good luck with f2p making 15 22m teams

[pulsar creek]

its actually nearly possible with the current s1 going on due to the latest splurge of rewards

[sleek pelican]

50 dice isn’t getting you 15 teams lol

[pulsar creek]

no but you dont need very nicely made teams to do 22m now

and getting a few key epics and legos is enough to carry the dmg

[spice glen]

by season 3 free to plays SHOULD be able to make 15 teams

but earlier seasons probably not yeah

[clever rover]

Can’t wait to see this guys 15 22M team at the end of his season 🤣

[clever rover]

https://tenor.com/view/present-them-mr-garrison-south-park-fourth-grade-s4e12-gif-21640304

[gaunt steeple]

here is why i think waiting on season4 to administer rewards and update would be a mistake: season start you add special new banner, with new champions, while a lot of people prepare for it having sudden influx of rolls for it would also lower the requirement and value of buying dices.

[pulsar creek]

i can show you my worst team though. all unscrolled and battles are ended prematurely cause i cant be bothered to wait for it to finish. no one died at all while jalathea was constantly nuking the 4 melees at the front.

oh my bad only garius is scrolled

[dawn summit]

imagine the world where we could give feedback on the ACTUAL update not only talk about dice

I actually don't know what are you talking about

[pulsar creek]

then there is also this. 40% dmg reduction no heals. no one died. i also ended the battle early.

put mc there cause i need another ice to 5* affinity and i lazy raise another ice unit

[gaunt steeple]

because you are toxic contrarian that decides someone is wrong and has some greedy motives. and anyone that doesent have same opinion as you is what you said multiple times "a moron"

[dawn summit]

your motive is great? in your post you just said it's gonna be a bad move to make the update when s4 drops because it will lose them money because we will want to spend less money on dice ?
what are you even on about

[pulsar creek]

this is a good thing for you as a player though? no? lol you get the latest power creep and what not.

[dawn summit]

it's like you are trying to make it worse for the players i don't understand

[gaunt steeple]

yes that is what exactly what i am mentioning this time, and we cant give actual update until we get it. but be toxic as much as you want to community members.

[dawn summit]

stop crying , i am asking is that's what u meant , so you are trying to make it worse for us , just wanted to make it clear.

[gaunt steeple]

i am positing why it would not make sense from company standpoint to wait for s4

[dawn summit]

will see , they are on tight schedule now , we are suppose to have semi anniversary , DnD event , game update .

i think doing these changes when s4 drops makes sense , this is a pretty big patch for the game and a new season from the start with all these changes would make perfect sense for me , they still have to deploy DnD,Anniversary events

i mean they could always do it now and make everything chaotic whatever

[austere abyss]

I agree. I originally thought it was really weird to roll out dungeon overhaul mid-season but I guess it makes perfect sense that it is not rolling out this season

[clever rover]

Show the rest 13 too please. You said it’s easy to make 15 teams. Thanks.

[pulsar creek]

i am not f2p though. pretty whale so it wouldnt really matter. but if a dumb team can do 22m with so much time left and with just a healer for the dumb cow, it just shows how easy it is to hit 22m

[clever rover]

Dices now sounds good. Update now sounds bad. Don’t want it.

[clever rover]

Respectfully no one asked if you are a whale or a f2p. You told 15 22M teams. We want to see it

Because you know we were in s1 long time ago and want to see how it is working right now. I’m really curious about that 15 team(0 offense).

[pulsar creek]

sure

[clever rover]

Cuz after the rework, you might use some hero who is good or not bad now, but when we were they she/he/it was pretty bad 😄

Thanks dude 😁

[pulsar creek]

np i am removing it :p with how things s1 is i am not very comfortable to share my line ups and my limits in public

[sleek pelican]

People keep saying it would be bad to update midseason for s2 and s3. I fail to see the difference for all the people that were in middle of season 1. How is it somehow better to dump that on people that are just starting to understand the game and suddenly it’s a bunch more stuff to figure out. It’s a moot point and there are simply better arguments to be made, like their main goal is player acquisition and retention in season 1. Season 2 and 3 are not a priority because those players are already acquired loyal customers.

[robust river]

"Loyal"?

[sleek pelican]

Yeah these types of games usually get people that quit in season 1 or shortly after. So players already in season 3 would be considered loyal yes

[mossy mauve]

Actually reading people now complain that s1 is way too easy it actually makes me wonder why not give the patch to s3 first... everything is already way too easy , people breezing through the dungeons and people doing 1000million DMG with rook on vortex anyway.... That power creep would barely have made a difference at that point and could easily be observed and given feedback

[pulsar creek]

yeah but unlike s2 and s3. only s1 gets a new server every other day. they also have new stuff and quest for new players; problems in these quests wouldnt have been detectable by mid season players.

i am willing to give the dev a benefit of a doubt like if you check the bug report channel. s1 currently has a bug that prevents leveling and players are already stuck for a few days unable to level and receive new quest. who knows when that will be fixed? at least its only impacting a small set of players who might not even be playing frequently

[hollow tide]

I see the circus is still in full swing

[quick plank]

And nothing happen....

[young steeple]

I am looking forward to future changes in S2 and 3. So far I think all the changes made are good ones. The ease of Fey is wonderful. Spending an hour or two going through faster is better than spending 30 minutes of walking time. Also I like the design of goblin runs as well. In comparison from beta to now, a new player should advance without feeling "stuck". I feel very confident the servers of S2 and 3 will enjoy it as well. Thank you for all the updates. hopefully we will hear more feedback from you as well. As for arena, I personally think it will make weekly events, alliance commissions, etc. much easier to complete. Especially for beginners. Great start!

[crisp lynx]

Let be patient
The codebase in our servers are version 0.1, 0.2, 0.3 ....

And the codebase version currently is 1.1 ...
That is totally different branch ...

The devs team need much time to copy and paste the code segments from 1.1 to 0.3, that is the difficult part 😆

[woven prism]

waiting hope it annoucment something today

[opal eagle]

It is easy to clear it in 1,5 day. And you have 3 days to clear it. Like now this event is chill and easy to accomplish

[mossy mauve]

yea in hindsight you are correct. it just seemed like it was screwed up because on first day i had to start at rank 15000 and thus hardly gained any points for the event. now at higher rank it's quite doable

[opal eagle]

So, i m kinda sad about that whole thing. Yes, i understand devs that they are kinda careful about implementing changes to S2,S3. Like it is much easier to implement it on fresh S1.

Thing is, those "compensations" were very generous. And what they compensate to new players? Kinda nothing.

This game is kinda scarce game. You had to be clever, kinda lucky, diligent and saving precious resources.

To portray this, i will share my exp:
I was saving every heli dices since 1,5 month, cause i got leggo heroes(3) not only on pities, but i have got Donella, Bionphray and Irzillas. No exciting leggo hero which i see to be used everywhere. Also, i was quite a lucky to have 2 leggo heroes from horn(everytime when i was thinking about leaving the game XD).
So I was saving and also got to Top20 in season. Also won goblin challenge.
Mostly thanks to amazing epics.
So I was saving 115 dices and used them on S2 banner. I got some very nice heroes,yes.

But i was playing in scarce mode for more than 1,5 month. Through the OW grind etc.

And now i see players who hasnt "endure" nothing and they are just "swimming" in the new and exciting heroes. They have got so much rss just for nothing.
I know about the need of new blood, but thats it. They didnt deserve this like people from S3. Those players need the compensation far far more than S1.

I m in S2. I also wanted the compensation on that day. Why?
Cause S2 banner was there for 2 days left and I will be very happy to invest 50-60+ heli dices into it, maybe getting Shinnah, Beldelle, Rose or Karf. Or maybe second Aschetius?

But hey, nvm, that ship has left already.
So I will be happy if devs get to S2 and S3 players proper compensation about that all.

Someone noted the leggo selector chest.
I think that leggo hero and leggo arti selector chest would be very nice part of that compensation.

Devs, i want to say that i like that you want to improve the game. We all, players and devs, love it 🙂

[iron sluice]

Exactly, the delay on compensation creates other issues. I am on "saving mode" at the moment but every player is in a different point of the season.

I don't know when half anniversary event is coming. Will we have the common them? Let's see...

[quick plank]

[terse berry]

no news on this?

[woven prism]

the will run 2 week test

estimate 1 month S2 and S3 wil lget that compen if they not forgot LOL

[oblique bear]

Aka don’t hold your breath 😦

[spice glen]

the period at the end of the season after endgame spawns would be the perfect time

since we're basically done farming

[fierce cove]

The changes are welcome, however they should be applied to S2 and S3 as well. As it stands we (the S2 & S3 players) are penalized and are losing out on 54 dice and 24 scrolls for playing the game BEFORE the changes came out.

I think it is only fair that we receive the same amount of dice and scrolls as compensation as the S1 players received following the changes.

If not, well expect people to quit

[red ermine]

1. Keep level

2. Easy leveling and grow unit

3.more cheap pull for competive and make money

4.make more good banner for good unit

5.more good guild battle system for fun (pve can't make real fun and whale fun) this game is global game imagine

Korea vs Japan etc guild battle
Everybody will be focus and fun and more spend money (that's why need more cheap pull and good banner)

6.season too boring
Content just all open when server open (that's why need keep level)

7. If get same unit 6time , need other way for use (for example 2 soul -> 1 other unit soul etc , this make more money for ur company)

8. Just give more dice this make more money becuz they want last piece (must need good banner and cheap pull)

9. Need learn and watch other gacha game system and how to make money and why they rank in 30 with same gacha system

10.merge server quickly

Competition is make money
Hero need villain
Whale need whale

Ppl wait for company
This game will be broken when if u not do fast

Time out is maybe 1month

Already big whale all gone

[robust river]

How many more do you want to quit? My servers from s1 to s3 had already lost so many players, and my guild alone is practically all gone/merged, including the whales.
The retention is bad. And thats exactly WHY their effort is to lure in fresh meat to s1. Not for us.

[oblique bear]

Issue there then is a warning to all people thinking about playing it, they will see what happens in their future if they do - I’m sure they will sort it out just no idea when

[iron sluice]

I am loosing feith, every discussion here is leaving a bad taste on players after getting info from devs. There was a feeling of good development on s1 and beginning of s2. Now every news are bad news and every clarification leaves a bad taste

[terse berry]

You think players won’t look ahead to see how all their current players in s2/3 are being treated? If long time players are unhappy the game won’t be appealing to new ones

[woven prism]

i just want that fey manderr become like S1 now !!!
i hate it !!

[tribal moth]

Wen update

[fierce notch]

No update... Maybe season 4 😆

[fair jacinth]

Come on, at least give us that Epic 0.99 chest again now, if the annyversary is delayed and te updates are "soon" give us something useful today. 😱

[crisp lynx]

It will be sooner and later 😆

[austere abyss]

More like later

[thick ruin]

Time is relative.

[celest creek]

It seems their answer like " if u guys don't like it, the door is always open" 😂😂😂

[crisp lynx]

Feel free to quit anytime

[woven prism]

Stew gaming got banned because he talk about this compen 😮
so we will not get same reward as S1 ? lol

[iron sluice]

Yes just saw it, what a non sense. The issues and trust on devs and community managers are becoming a snow ball.

He didnt say anything wrong or disrespectful, but there is lot of dissatisfaction on their company decisions. Silence a YouTuber won't help them at all

[young steeple]

No one has all power to change anything

[thick ruin]

Neither the good ones are so good, nor the bad ones so bad.

[terse berry]

I wonder how happy tencent will be with their recent purchase when they see players leaving and the game dying due to terrible dev decisions 🤩

[clever rover]

They don’t care until the people stop paying(and they not gonna stop paying).

The same people who spent 1k on every start of the season, is gonna spend it on the next one too. They don’t care about f2p or anyone else just their team. So until they gonna tell the devs it’s not good what they did, the company not gonna care.

[thin jay]

Can anybody tell me what their community manager actually does?

[terse berry]

whales only whale when it feels worth it, if all the f2p/low spenders leave, they'll only be competing with other whales, which is not fun for them so eventually they'll leave too, only when that starts will the devs take notice and by that point itll be too late, its happened in loads of other games

[oblique bear]

aye that happens in every game with a p2w structure. whales get bored if they cannot /flex on f2p plebians 🙂 and all this doom talk is a bit premature i might add. But yes i would agree that PR wise / communications wise its pretty poor.

[clever rover]

Posting on Facebook 🤣

[clever rover]

We need to stand as one. That’s the most important thing

[dense lance]

Also the pvp token reset timer is biased against people in the Asian time zone who work for a living.

[cold heart]

Listen, Vani is a sweetheart and I'm cool with helping her out cause her cows don't respond to her.

Rose on the other hand gives me crap if I cant remember something from 4 seasons ago.

I mean, we are tricking drug addicts in another quest.

[dense lance]

Oh yeah Rose - passive aggressive b****
Don't ask questions if you know the answer

[austere abyss]

Lmao I actually like the Rose questions it's kinda fun to test my memory

Also it's a very quick and easy quest unilke the ones where you have to run around a bunch

[spice glen]

I just click my way through them because there's no difference between right or wrong

[tribal moth]

daily wen update?

[iron sluice]

500+ comments here. Devs are not reading it anymore for a while now 😂

[clever rover]

They never did

[cold heart]

@iron sluice @clever rover

Nope its monitored. Just be polite about feedback and it gets reported or the SGRA folks see it directly

[sleek pelican]

Community outrage over lack of update for s2-s3.. solution? Postpone all content for another month. Bravo!

[winter zenith]

must tell us an approximate date for compensation or at least what it will be, and don't leave us at "soon."

[cold heart]

It’s a programming issue. They are working on it, but as usual with coding, lotta things could go wrong. If recoding was a perfect thing I think they could give us something concrete.

Like I totally empathize with you and others - I feel impatient as all heck about this. It’s rough cause I understand what they have to do to get there but man Gimmie my stuff.

[spice glen]

It's hard to untangle spaghetti once it's tangled up and covered in things

[austere abyss]

Classic spaghetticode

[cold heart]

Like even when its not spaghetti and even if YOU were the one coding it.

There's a reason I said (bleep) this, I'm never coding (bleep) again in the 00's.

BUT, like folks, keep posting here about your concerns, complaints, questions, you name it about the 5/10 s2 and s3 issue. It does get paid attention to. And the Mod/Helper/Etc team also reports in. We're players too.

[spice glen]

Yes I code in inform for my job and just going back to stuff I wrote a week ago is a pain.

[woven prism]

If the Dev can tell us we got same compensation or get more .. all people here will be happy

[cold heart]

#📢┆game-announcements message

Yes, but it's "Soon"

[austere abyss]

The devs definition of soon is on a completely different timescale from our soon.

A normal human soon might be, in the next couple weeks.

The devs version of soon is in the next couple of seasons

Which, considering it's only been 8 months since global release... is not very soon at all

[cold heart]

Well this is the same thing with every developer and tbh, most businesses

What does "soon" mean? Like its always "Were working on it, we can't give a time table because we don't know". Like Ive never found a better term for this in the 20+ years Ive been in management. And I deal with idiots people in my business who demand concrete dates on things I cannot make happen concretely, even best of circumstances in my profession.

[austere abyss]

That's true but I feel like the word "soon" doesn't really translate to realistic expectations because the definions of soon are so different

Rather than saying "soon", maybe they could update us on a time line instead

Say, okay, we're about 10% done with this project. I don't know when we are gonna be done with it, but we will update you again when it hits 50%

Or say, okay, we thought we were halfway done, but there are some issues and we're not halfway there yet, so this might take longer than we anticipated

[cold heart]

Yea and in my case with what I do, I could do that on about 60% on a good month, of my projects on my plate. Like and I dont do coding anymore, so I haven't a clue whats reasonable to ask for. A few friends I have that do that stuff/run teams basically explain that a lot of timetables with coding and etc run on hopes and dreams.

[austere abyss]

I don't expect a hard deadline but I do think it would be a nice gesture to tell us what they are working on and how close it is to completion, even if it is an innacurate estimate

I think that's why people tend to be so frustrated, because frankly the communciations suck.

[cold heart]

Yea and tbh? I'm not sure how that would go.

Say like, you say 50%, but like can you say what the rest of the 50% would take? What if you announce realistic progress, like you would inside a company, would that affect morale and etc worse with customers? I mean I know in my business, even when the weather delays stuff, people get weird/angry about delays.

[austere abyss]

They tell us soon for 2 seasons and then don't do anything in the meantime.

Then when the feature is released, it's only released for S1. And only afterwards do they tell us that it will be released for everyone else at a later date.

Technically it was there in the original announcment but it was hidden behind spoilers... so the player expectation was that everyone was going to get this

[cold heart]

And that I can state, that not only do I agree, we have asked for better communication. And it has gotten better - omg way better - since s0. Is it where we want? No. But is it improving? Yes.

Like I aint even toeing the "Moderator rules" line here. We need much better communication from the Devs.

It is improving. But it doesnt even meet where I want it.

Naw and thing is its a matter of clarity, consistency, frequency, and depth.

Like I dont think anyone will disagree, the details we got after everyone got upset, should have been in the first patch notes, VERY clearly, ahead of time.

[austere abyss]

I think it would be cool if they say, gave a monthly or biweekly update on what they're working on.

I think part of this is waiting for a unknown feature with an unknown deadline. The complete lack of clarity leads to a lot of dissatisfaction, especially considering how S2 and S3 have been flops with virtually no new content.

So players feel like we've been waiting 6 months yet nothing has materialized.

Even if the monthly update is "oh we're working on X feature, it's not done yet but in the works" and they just repeat that every month I think that would already be better

Coming from Raid my expectations in general are already quite tempered I'd imagine, yet somehow I feel like they manage to disappoint us every time

[cold heart]

Oh yea, thats part of my frequency and consistency concern with communication. Im with ya there.

[austere abyss]

Like this new Arena update, really unhappy with it.

Took one of the few pieces of "repeatable" content in the game, even if the majority of players dislike it, and turned it into afk get 50 gems a day

Like I don't even have poeple to fight it's so boring

Either they are unbeatable or they are instawin

We severely lack content and they turned repeatable content into non-content

Just feels like a massive waste of dev time to create a feature that was not a feature

[cold heart]

So straight up on that one

Start a thread in suggestion

Cause Ive given feedback, and Ive sent in other folks' feedback on the new pvp system

I feel like someone, somewhere, has gotta have a better idea on how to do this that makes both casuals and tryhards happy.

[austere abyss]

Ah yeh Hellbourne has created a suggestion thread on it (he's my clan leader ingame) and I"ve put in my two cents on that

[cold heart]

Ive thought about it and every "fix" I think of for the new system is abusable so those are out.

[austere abyss]

But in any case I don't really expect any change because they just put in all the effort to make this gamemode

[cold heart]

Crap shows how good of a helper I am, I missed it. Ill go check.

[austere abyss]

Also I think this new wave of testing they are doing (the one where they sent out google forms in the ingame mail) is supposed to be for testing pvp features

So I think they are aware of the issue at least

[cold heart]

they are, 100%

I just have noooo idea what the fix plans are or whatever were gonna be testing outside of load.

[austere abyss]

Well at least they didn't touch 3v3 so I guess that is somewhat of a compromise between casuals and tryhards

[cold heart]

omg

I woulda fixed 3v3 first

[austere abyss]

Casuals are happy with their 50 gems and 3v3 is already miles better now that there is 10x speed for it

[cold heart]

folks rarely play it and its rough to make good teams for it to have it be fun in the competitive way

[austere abyss]

It just feels so bad that a game lacking in content, has not added content, but removed content instead...

[cold heart]

Yea whereas competitive nerds like me arent happy with the new 1v1 system

[austere abyss]

Ah I actually like 3v3 better than regular arena

There's a bit of rock-paper-scissors that doesn't exist in regular arena

[spice glen]

I wouldn't have an issue with it if it didn't ALSO involve stripping your units from 1v1 defense teams

[cold heart]

Ehhh I think rps is in 1v1, but 3v3 yes - IF - and only IF, you have the unlocks

[austere abyss]

And to me that makes it strategically more engaging rather than just toss your strongest team at everything

Yeah for sure it can be hard to make 3 good teams

[cold heart]

Agreed this is part of the issue

[austere abyss]

Lst season I had 1 good team, 1 meh team, and one piece of trash

This season at least I have 2 good teams so I am happy with that

[cold heart]

Yea I have 1 good, 1 okaaaaayish, and one trash. TBH I meant to sit down and try and figure something better out today but I ended up busy doing RL stuff

[austere abyss]

Also Goldenwing should jsut use Arena builds, we've been complaining about it for ages.

[spice glen]

Yeah I have 3 good teams but I have to re-gear them every time I do 3v3

[cold heart]

For me as long as I stay silver Im okay with it and Im like eeeeh Ill remember to play 3v3 every other day

[austere abyss]

I play it a ton more actively now that we ahve 10x

My biggest gripe with 3v3 is that fights often took 5-6 minutes... so 10 fights took an hour to do

10x solved that problem

[cold heart]

@sleek pelican I see you typing

I have a request: Be professional about it. I agree with a TON of stuff you type, just not how you say it.

[sleek pelican]

What did you guys expect to come from arena when so many people complained that it was a time sink.. They listened but they didn’t listen very well because the time sink was mostly in 3v3 and waiting for a match up in live battles

[cold heart]

So really straight up I didnt expect this change. Its interesting for sure.

Question for ya: Ya got any ideas that would make it better?

[austere abyss]

Personally I'm really happy with adding 10x to 3v3

That's all I needed.

[sleek pelican]

Put it back the way it was and just add 10x lol

[cold heart]

The live battle thing Ive also got no real ideas for. Like I can't figure out what to change to make people play it more.

[cold heart]

Straight up this miiiight be the way.

[austere abyss]

Live arena is inherently unfun because of matchmaking

Nobody wants to wait 15 mins to get a match and then instantly get steamrolled by an i5 whale

[sleek pelican]

Add rewards that are exclusive to that mode like they did with 3v3

[austere abyss]

I think Live needs to have a MMR that persists across seasons rather than a "ladder" ranking like it has now

[cold heart]

@sleek pelican and like with the 10x, like maybe more refreshes than the 5 or it regenerates faster Id want

[austere abyss]

That way people will eventually fall into brackets where they fight people relatively on the same power level as they are

[spice glen]

live needs incentives to play imo

[austere abyss]

I think the other weakness of Live is the banning system - most peopel don't have substitutes geared for their team... so if a key champ gets banned their team falls apart

[spice glen]

currently you can ignore it

[austere abyss]

That's really unfun.

[cold heart]

Actually since all 4 of us are here: @austere abyss @sleek pelican @spice glen

Do you feel like, you commonly or ever really saw people below you in rank that were very beatable in the old 1v1? I rarely did.

[sleek pelican]

The way it is, you get 99% of all the rewards by afk 1v1..

[spice glen]

almost never

[sleek pelican]

So what purpose does live have other than the weekly reset

[cold heart]

Ooof Im torn here. Super torn. Cause I like it but it also wrecks teams

[austere abyss]

I bumrush silver live at the beginning of every season and then I do 1 fight a week for the rest of the season. It's inherently unfun due to the way it's designed so why would I wste time actually playing it

[cold heart]

I feel like if you could pick all 3 ahead of time

[spice glen]

Everyone had a stall comp that was impossible to break because they didn't have to gear ANYTHING but accuracy resistance and defense

[cold heart]

It could work

[austere abyss]

Yeah I agree

Bans before picsk

Ie, if they ban key fire/rad champs then you can use a lightning/necro team

[cold heart]

I honestly dont know. Like I enjoy it up to silver and then with the ban system its like uhhhhhhhh

[spice glen]

And right now at least the stall teams aren't nearly as impossible because the whales go straight to the top

[austere abyss]

But if you've already picked 2 fire/rad champs you're locked in unless you wanna lose 5 aff

[cold heart]

But I also play at start of the week where more people are queuing

Yea like even in current mode, if I could REGEAR someone, I could have a sub

[austere abyss]

For me yes... I usually hang around 8-12th place, the peopel above I couldn't beat and the people below I could

[sleek pelican]

Yeah that’s another issue with live is you get totally screwed if your geared players are banned.. maybe they can release a version where there’s no gear and the match is just based on your hero selection

[austere abyss]

Yeah that's the other thing

You might have substitutes but they aren't geared

Because we lose our gear every season, gear is always lacking, it's not like Raid where oh if one champ gets banned I have 60 more champs geared

And there's the other issue, because 5aff bonus is so key - you're shoehorned into an affinity pair so there are very very few substitute champs to begin with

[sleek pelican]

Yeah 3v3 just opened and I don’t even wanna mess with it because I don’t wanna mess around trying to equip 10 new champs with epic gear.

Maybe in a week when double drops opens and I spam venom to exhaustion

[austere abyss]

Furthermore even if you had the gear, are you really gonna waste gold leveling up a crapton of extra gear that you won't use anywhere else except arena?

Gear is limited, gold is limited, stam is limited, time is limited

All of those combined make Live Arena miserable

[sleek pelican]

Chances are you’re gonna have a bunch of half decent gear just from rolling substats eventually

[austere abyss]

Personally I think that Arena gearing should be entirely separate from PvE gearing, and should be farmable through playing arena, and persist across seasons.

That's how you make arena actually playable for the majority

By removing the limitations on gearing for arena it opens up a whole new world of actual gameplay, counterplay, etc

That makes the current live system more playable too because if you get some champs banned you still have geared substitutes you can use

[sleek pelican]

Gear should also be locked in for each arena mode as well… I shouldn’t screw up my 1v1 team because I use the gear different on my 3v3 teams.. that’s dumb

[austere abyss]

That also removes stuff like having arena-specific myth gloves that just feel so bad for 90% of players to get

Myth gear with the right mainstat is rare enough

And a glove only usable in PVP just sucks since 90% of players don't care about PVP. It's a dead piece.

We already have enough dead pieces with flat stats and HP%/def% main

Having separate arena gear also makes it possible for sets and gear to be specifically designed for arena and not break stuff in the PvE part of the game

[sleek pelican]

Remember in d&d event when you went into that world and the hero’s all had base stats and were ungearable…

That should be pvp.. base it on making a team and not on farming gear.

[austere abyss]

For example, everyone hates stall. But if we had arena specific sets, maybe we could have gear that reduces healing that an enemy gets by 1% every time they hit the enemy... or something like that

A gearset like that would be useless trash in PvE and everyone would hate it

But for arena play I think it would help us create counterplay and make arena an actually fun gamemode

[spice glen]

imagine our surprise when we find out it stacks on DoT ticks

[austere abyss]

And by separating PvP and PvE this sort of stuff becomes possible

That might actually not be bad... because then DoT type champs (ie Muffin) that are ordinarly useless in PvP can have a use

You see how this could make arena an actually interesting gamemode

I know people usually hate arena in gacha because they feel like they're constantly getting mashed to bits by whales... but I've always found teambuilding, counterplay, and interactions to be a ton of fun that we don't get in classic PvE

And this is as a low spender.

Whales would probably find arena a whole lot more engaging too

The gamemode itself is not inherently fun right now. So people only care about the rewards.

But if the gamemode was actually fun then it would be played regardless of rewards.

Just like chess. You don't get anything for winning a chess match, yet people can play thousands, tens of thousands of matches yet still have fun

It might be simple but it is repeatable and different every time

Something like that is what I envision a good arena mode would be like

Is it realistic though? I don't know. It would require the devs to take a risk investing all this dev time into designing and implementing such a radical gamemode.

But at the same time simply copying arena gamemodes that other gachas have is no fun.

Like the current new arena we have right now, that's not innovative at all. This is EXACTLY the same as arena I played in a game I played as a teenager.

That gamemode wasn't fun and this gamemode isn't fun either

Maybe I am hoping for too much and this is all wishful thinking but at the very least I do think there is a lot of unexplored potential that no gacha developer has ever touched upon before

[sleek pelican]

I’m curious why live arena doesn’t let us choose who and when we ult. Like what’s the purpose of it being live at that point..

[austere abyss]

Yeah live arena is stupid as hell, it's no different from regular arena apart from bans in Silver and needing to wait 15 mins to find a match

Why even bother implementing Live if it's designed like that

[sleek pelican]

I guess one flaw would be the fact that casting skills pauses the battle I guess..

[austere abyss]

I think it would jsut be very technically difficult to have real time "live" arena synchronized globally. The ping alone playing with players in another content would be horrendous

Raid can do that because it's a turn-based game

So ping is irrelevant.

[sleek pelican]

Yeah maybe not great idea

[austere abyss]

It would also place a lot of strain on the game servers

[sleek pelican]

You’d need time limits on casting pauses for sure

[austere abyss]

I'm not sure that they can handle that

[sleek pelican]

Like after 5 seconds it auto casts

[austere abyss]

Personally I'm not inclined to believe that an actual "live" live arena is technically feasible

Possible, yes, but feasible, prolly not

At least not with the way the game is designed

[crisp lynx]

network latency or disconnection will make you lose the fight 😆

[gaunt steeple]

my suggestion for arena rework, and this suggestion is predicated on extra work dev team needs to do for it as well as future updates: since there are tags for champions support/frost/def etc, create another tag that says arena, rework all the champ pool to add arena tags to about 50% off it, those champs can be used in pve, but for pvp you can use only those with arena tag, set up rotation on when champs get arena tags (seasonal, monthly, bimonthly) and get fresh arena meta every rotation instead of going binary "you have this champ or not". why it is extra work: coding for it, finding sufficient balance, implementing, extra annoyance from player base when they do not have enough arena legendaries (even though this is already the case for s3 and later)

[spice glen]

Not a fan of that, since part of your seasonal progression is tied to arena rank

Being told "sorry you don't have the allowed champions!" and not even being able to TRY to scrape something together sounds bad

[winter zenith]

One big thing that would be great for players is being kept up to date on what's going on. It's fine dev's working on the game, but not getting the right information can become confusing to players. Also, People may think that season 2 and season 3 are being greedy asking for the same 'bonuses' as season 1. They are not, all they are asking for is to be treated the same way as season 1.
The problem is, nothing information wise is being updated, so people don't have a clue so it's no wonder, they are a little annoyed.

That's what I would like to say to be more clear.

[buoyant ruin]

Now that I've spent time with the new Arena, it feels worse. It's for sure less fun to play, compared to before. You are incentivized to play less, which a lot of people that did not interact with PvP of course like. That's fine in theory. The rewards are of course up as well, which is nice.
The main issue is that stall teams were NOT impacted at all, and their effects are worsened. More people now compete with higher ranks directly, and there are only stall comps left. This makes it a huge detriment once you rank down, or are too late to start to rank up. You are not getting through as an average player. Quite a few will get into the top 300 (max Wyrmarrow rewards), but many will not.
Another main issue is that the refresh time is now daily, and you are hugely incentivized to play right before that refresh happens. This gives a 'last-second' playstyle. Many people are asleep however during reset (UTC timezones), this is directly negatively impacting them. The incentives the devs introduced are downgrading the entire experience. Not for all people, but I think for many. Even if the rewards are up for almost everyone, making the game less fun is not something the game can use. It's going straight into a direction of making the numbers, pulling, the only things that count. The game itself was really fun in Season 1, and despite getting more heroes (options for teams), the game experience feels worse and worse every update. Maybe Season 4, with the promised updates and compensations, will once again pull people in, and make it more enjoyable to me, but I don't see any changes that will make the game more fun.

Tldr: this feels like short-term over long-term, making me worried for the future

[thick ruin]

I encourage all of you to support me in the post I recently created about this.

https://discord.com/channels/928541801260908546/1241361391768834149

[cold heart]

So I dont think anyone thinks s2 and s3 are being greedy. If they are, thats super weird. I think everyone is on page with ya.

And yep, we all agree we would like some more communication. Thing is I think a lot of this is no real update yet, so we just have to be patient. I'm about to make some feedback summaries from my end, this will be included.

[winter zenith]

Well, I will wait for the good news.
Thank you for response.

[torpid lynx]

Sagomir is bugged as hell man.
It's not provoking enemies and ultimate attack sometimes failed hitting target where it should be hitting.

I hope i could go back to season 1 and stay there forever.
Sincerely season 2 is garbage compered to season 1 and i don't like to grind again my hereoes again... 🤦🤦

[spice glen]

Provoking requires accuracy. If they have high resistance (PVP) it can still fail. It has a very small aoe and it's based around the square he's facing in a

    -
    -  -
  0 -  -  -
    -  -  
    -
``` shape where 0 is him and - is the aoe

He's working just fine for me

possible it's 2 squares and not 3, can't remember.

but based on which direction he decides to turn to autoattack after he jumps, it can be a wonky aoe

[uneven bramble]

Ok DEVS, what is the update on the stuff you have changed in S1 for players from S2 and S3?

GIVE US SOME INFO! Because i am ready to just quit as S3 is the most boring experience I have ever had in a mobile game. I only stuck around because I have had hopes for this title. Recent decision you have made was a shot in both of your feet really dissappointing veteran players.

You have made false promises about content in S3, now you gave rookies and newbs (no offence, but they are new players) great things and updates to mechanics and for some reason VERY wealthy rewards.

So i am asking again, what is the deal woth S2 and S3 folk ?

[thin jay]

They don't care clearly 🙂

Idk about this useless posts in game announcement as well like "meet Ozul" who the heck cares. Would be nice if somebody told community manager to stay a bit more in touch with the community.

[dense lance]

They're probably sweating about s4 plans tbh (which heroes to reskin for powercreep)

Content takes too long

[crisp lynx]

Just copy of rook to s4 😆

[mossy mauve]

Sagomir is in fact bugged. his ult will sometimes not hit any enemy. i'm not talking about debuffs, but actually hitting. as someone using sagomir in pvp often, i can tell that for sure

[oblique bear]

have to agree - commication is awful here, remember the 99c chest they were going to bring back a couple of months ago? yeah thats the same place those promises of patch for s2/s3 is - the bermuda triangle.

[spice glen]

never had that bug happen with sagomir, interesting

[woven prism]

Copy rook change the skin to red so we got fire lol 😆

[ivory plume]

The most recent q&a shows the quality and integrity of this company, sorry s2 and s3 players. We ain’t getting anything, everything gets delayed like the half anniversary event, they can’t handle 3 season but want to continue down this road with more seasons? Beyond insanity at this point and then threatening with perma ban with your number one CC Stew is completely disrespectful. Half anniversary event is gonna be the rug pull of the century.

[junior belfry]

Already did https://discord.com/channels/928541801260908546/1238426890574757918

[junior belfry]

Personaly I'd shift the system back to the old one. Increase rating gained per win decrease rating lost.
That should enable a wider spread of players in different rankings while still complimenting those that put in more effort.

Add ten x or skip battle. The battle can't be Manueled anyway so why must we watch it? Those who want can and those who don't skip. Same for 3v3.

For the fight general. There should be a permanent and passive decrease of effective healing and shields and a dmg increase over time. Many games use this in arena mechanics since skill and gear being ppl to a point where they are not natural able to kill each other. But this is arena and a death match?! We need a proper conclusion and not a time steal stall meta.

[oblique bear]

aye arena is not in a great place rn. you can literally spend 3mins watching a screen on fast forward where no-one kills anyone for all 10 attempts.

[clever rover]

It’s freaking disappointing that we got no new information after we got that poor “sorry” message from the devs about 1 weeks ago…..

Maybe just throw us another “we working on the problem, please be patient, spend more money, etc.” but not even that. Literally 0 communication

So we can clearly see how much they care about the player base.

Spoiler: they don’t care about the players

[junior belfry]

And it would be so incredibly ease to sooth the raging that is going on on all sites.

It literally cost them nothing to gift S2 and S3 a couple more hlio dice or leggo scrolls.

When nobody's is buying the gift them something so they at least spend a little to complete something. Or introduce an extra banner.

Instead of doing nothing at all.

I mean even if we wanted to spend there is nothing enticing to spend on... The banners are so bad... You need tons of dice or extrem luck to get what you want or need.

Can't tell me it would have been too hard for them to but up an extra banner where you get a free leggo every 60 repeatable till 180 or 240 so the whales have something to work on.

Gift the ppl 40 dice and look how they are buying 20 dice to get the free be at least.

[woven prism]

they want to conitnue season 4 soon lol

system liek season and have many server is terrible and good but so hard to handle 😮

[oblique bear]

s4? lol no.... im not even sure right now im going to bother with the rest of s2 - its very disapointing.

[clever rover]

Or just COMMUNICATE…. But noooooo they not even doing that

[mossy mauve]

idk what you're on about on arena... you don't even need to watch several battles. just go 10x auto resolve now against lower rank and done

[junior belfry]

Then let me ask you. Is arena fun for you?
Do you enjoy doing arena?
Does it feel rewarding to do arena?

[thin jay]

Guys we are just shouting at closed door 🙂

[junior belfry]

Hahah yeah mostly... At least feels like it

[mossy mauve]

if you don't whale arena is never truly fun in a gacha... do you whale? . i don't whale and i think arena is okay to do but feels pointless to go against full i5 teams.
and actually arena is more rewarding now than before^^
Actually i really like that you get same rewards for a failed attack than when you auto resolve lower ranks. so if i feel like it i can try several attacks on those inspired teams to see if i can take a single unit down or not 🙂 and if not i just auto resolve 10 fights and am out of there

only thing i find bad is the reset for the arena tickets is not same time as tallying the rewards and i think 10 tickets is too less if i truly want to play some matches.

[opal eagle]

I m not a whale. I m very very low spender and actually i m in rank 4-20. And i do enjoy playing arena even when i m meeting whales. Tbh on top ranks there are only 2 i1-5 players. And that with most stacked i4-5 is like 4-6 rank.
And i m fighting with mostly epic gear since i refuse to grind legendary gear without double rates.
I just want to point out that arena is not only for whales.
Hope that they make arena better than now.
I really like the idea about decreasing healing and increasing dmg in time

[dense lance]

Arena fix is simple
After time runs out, winner is the one that does more dmg
Gg turtles

You don't even need to diddle with heal/dmg mechanics

[dense lance]

It's probably anathema to the S4 decision makers (dev team accountants), but a fix would be:

• NO NEW GACHA CREEP IWIN HEROES. instead:
• use legendary soul tokens to HYBRIDISE specific heroes across their element dmg type. Eg:
• use a soul token to make lorentheel hybrid rally/aura and unlock features that allow him to buff BOTH types and unlock synergy between both elements
• use a soul token on KARF to allow his burn to increase allies' wild proc chance
• use on <shadow type hero> to have a unique effect on summons
  And do the same with epics by having these dupes create epic souls that can be used to enhance current (possibly underused / unloved) epics with a secondary effect
  This actually makes use of what we have now, makes things fairer as it is accessible to all (not just i-win for whales who manage to land exclusive leggos), yet incentivises us to keep summoning (team still gets $$) to unlock all heroes' synergy capacity. Oh and it'll be 1000x more fun theorycrafting by unleashing so many new possibilities.
  Td;lr: deeper mechanics using the legion of heroes we already have rather than inane gacha creep. More creative thinking less artwork replication.
  Thank you, iPad please

While we're at it, throw in rock-paper-scissors damage effects to specific elements eg burn is good (25% dmg boost) vs frost and necro, radiant good vs necro and poison, frost good vs poison and radiant. Make planning counter teams for pve/p easier

One more idea since I'm medicated rn:
NEW effect types combining cross element damage types:

• frost + thunderbolt = superconduction (dmg boosted)
• thunderbolt + rally = magnetise (enemies under this affect get pulled together)
• burn + shadow = soul burn (unable to heal, negate invulnerable or dmg reduction effects)
• shadow + aura = darkness (reduce enemy skill AoE range)
• corrosion + burn = melt (50% heal reduction and shield damage bypass)
• frozen = shatter on death (no resurrection)
• summon + wild = corpse explosion on death

Creating another reason to consider breaking the element matching meta for specific situations

[spice glen]

It'd be cool to have a boss where you slot in 3 different elemental combos and have to "break through" the phases with each.

Like first stage is frost/ice blast damage required. You've gotta freeze the boss before they explode. Second stage is fire damage to shatter them. Third stage they've gone all liquidy so you've gotta fry them with electricity.

[dense lance]

And if you are fighting a pollution boss, combine 5 elements to create Captain Planet 🤭

[spice glen]

I just love the concept of a multi stage "tag in" fight

[dense lance]

It works in your classic fighting games

[coral ridge]

Full stack developer for the better part of a couple decades
For people talking about that it would be difficult for this because of the different branches the code is in for each season, that's just completely untrue, it is not just my development experience that tells me this, it is also their response. They made a deliberate choice to write these updates only in S1 because they felt it would cause feelings of fragmented gameplay for S2 and S3. I think this is just as odd as not rewarding the players that have played your game for 8 months. I understand that Dragonheir is different than most games with the season system but I have never played a game that rolled out updates to new servers first as way to test out changes (this makes no sense to me). S1 players are still learning the ropes and they have nothing to compare against so I am not sure how you would ever get honest feedback using new players as your testers for updates. As far as moving these updates to S2 and S3, most of the complaints here have focused on the rewards, if the story rewards are intertwined with the addition of new dungeon levels, I can understand how that might be difficult to push out right away but there is absolutely no excuse for at least pushing out the store changes, that code could easily be added to each season as hotfix within a couple days if that.

[sleek pelican]

Obviously devs don’t care about players that have already spent most of the money they’re going to spend by season 2 and especially season 3.. they’re only concerned with getting people to dump lots of money in season 1, and after that they don’t really care anymore because statistically most of the money is made in season 1.

[oblique bear]

S1 new players are not going to be keen on dumping loads of money knowing what s2 and upwards brings they really need to dump this seasons idea

[robust river]

Seasons aren't bad if done well. And i'm not so sure majority of new players will read/research before spending.