I run Karf in a lot of content and he is inconsistent at putting up burn and it's not an accuracy problem. I run him in my goblin team and he has Witch's remains. When he uses his ult it will put def down on everyone but not burn on a single target. Can this get fixed ASAP?
#Karf's ult not putting up burn.
ornate terrace
fresh sparrow
I run Karf in a lot of content and he is inconsistent at putting up burn and it'...
Hello Traveler, thank you for reaching out to us, we're so glad to serve you.
Regarding Karf's ult, it would be highly appreciated if you provide us with your Role ID or character name, and screen recording during the battle.
Looking forward to your response!
Thank you for your support and understanding!
craggy condor
Sure there is a problèm, 10 gobelins, 5 decrease défense, 0 Burns, there is a huge bug
fresh sparrow
@ornate terrace @craggy condor
Dear Traveler, thank you so much for sending the details, kindly be informed that we've reported the issue to the relevant team for investigation. Your patience during this period.
Thank you for your support and understanding!
fresh sparrow
Thanks for your patience.
Regarding the Karf skill issue you asked about, there is nothing unusual here. Because Aschetius' Ultimate can dispels all enemies' Burn, and deals Fire Damage to them. After Karf uses Ultimate, Aschetius immediately releases Ultimate, clearing away the Burn that Karf gave to the enemy.
Hope my answer will be helpful to you. If you still have questions, please feel free to contact me.
ornate terrace
I've run Goblin a lot, if Burn was put on the adds, Aschetius would have killed them. I will record a video without Aschetius ult on.
valid dawn
When Karf ults, the dice on the left rolled a critical failure. It looks like that applies to every burn application attempt of that ult cast? Not sure if this is consistent with other multi-hit skills.
ornate terrace
9 mobs, they all get defence down but not one burn.
I put this team in for the extra 50 ACC putting my Karf at 282 ACC
@fresh sparrow you see this?
@valid dawn In both videos you can see the "dice" rolled a critical failure. That shouldn't make what makes this champ so good, trash 20% of the time.
fresh sparrow
Dear Traveler, thank you for your patience.We are sorry for the inconvenience. I'll forward your case to our dev team and they will do their best to work on your case. I'll get back to you as soon as the result comes back.
ornate terrace
@fresh sparrow Whats the word?
fresh sparrow
<@895868711137857546> Whats the word?
Dear Travel,
Sorry to keep you waiting. May I ask if the dice roll fails all the time or occasionally? Even if the accuracy is enough, it cannot be guaranteed 100% success.
ornate terrace
Kard rolls critical failure more than any champion I use. He has around 300 ACC and this happens is goblin layer 3-3 and every where else I use him.
fresh sparrow
Thank you for your cooperation. I have reported the information you provided to the relevant team for verification. I will convey any progress to you immediately!
fresh sparrow
@ornate terrace Dear Traveler,
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We have conducted multiple tests on Karf's ultimate ability and have not identified any anomalies. It's important to note that, according to the game's design, even with sufficient focus, there is no guarantee of a 100% success rate, and there is a 3% chance of failure. Additionally, Karf's skill description clearly states that it has a 60% chance to activate. Therefore, when the focus is high enough, the effective probability of this skill is calculated as 60% * 97%.
If you encounter any further issues or have additional concerns, please feel free to provide more details, and we'll do our best to assist you. Your feedback is valuable in ensuring the best gaming experience for all our players.
obtuse sedge
@fresh sparrowThe overall spell failure chance is 3%. Karf's ultimate spell failure chance is 25% (upgrade to level 3, +15% success chance). The total chance of failure is: 3%+25%*(100%-3%)=27.25%. Karf bombards the target 3 times. The total chance that the target will not receive debuff from any of the three hits is 24.25%^3=2.023%. Karf bombards 5 goblins, the chance that all goblins will not receive the debuff is 2.023%^5=0.00000034%
In reality, the chance of failure is a million times greater. It is extremely likely that the failure check is not calculated separately on the targets, but on the Karth itself
obtuse sedge
Witch's Remains has a 40% def debuff failure chance vs 25% ult burning failure chance, but works properly on Karf, hitting almost all targets
craggy condor
this behaviour occurs so many time, karf cant put one burn debuff on 5 ennemies, he is a legendary with full map AOE and he cant place his debuff , change his if you cant solve his problem
digital stirrup
It must be that the outcome of the rolls are shared among all the enemies in the map, which, in my opinion, is not right. Each hit on each enemy should be calculated independently. This inconsistency is frustrating.
fresh sparrow
<@895868711137857546>The overall spell failure chance is 3%. Karf's ultimate spe...
Thanks for your patience.
After our technical team's verification, it was found that there is no abnormality here. This is the cut-in's dice mechanism. You rolled a critical failure randomly. In the case of a critical failure, none of the probability buffs for individual powerful skills can be added. On the other hand, in the case of a critical success, the probability buffs for individual skills can all be added.
Hope my answer will be helpful to you. If you still have questions, please feel free to contact me.
obtuse sedge
Thanks for your patience.
After our technical team's verification, it was found...
Please answer the following question. How is Karf's ultimate critical failure chance calculated? For each target hit separately or once for the entire spell?
fresh sparrow
Please answer the following question. How is Karf's ultimate critical failure ch...
Dear @obtuse sedge, thank you for your patience.
When the ultimate skill is released, the dice points are rolled randomly. It has nothing to do with the unit hit. If the ultimate skill is released once, the dice will be randomly rolled one time.
obtuse sedge
Dear <@282496520765571092>, thank you for your patience.
When the ultimate skill...
@fresh sparrow There is no concept of spell failure per se in DnD. You added the ability to fail a spell to the game and I don't see anything wrong with that. The question is the implementation.
How does the Witch's Remains artifact work? When dealing damage with an ultimate ability, a d20 is rolled first. If it rolls 1-8, the debuff fails. If rolled 9-20, a check is made against the attacker's accuracy and the target's resistance for a 3% chance of critical failure or success. This mechanic is applied to each target separately. Extremely logical and beautiful mechanics.
How does Karf's (and Iola, Zar'loth, Adrie, etc.) ultimate ability work? A d20 is rolled.
If rolled 1 (critical failure), then regardless of the number of targets, the accuracy of the attacker, or the resistance of the targets, all three hits do not impose burning.
If rolled 20 (critical success), all three hits should burn. But this is not true, because the attacker's accuracy and target resistance checks are still made.
If the roll is 2-19 (no matter if it is a failure or a success), then for each target, for each of the three hits, the d20 die is rolled again. If a roll of 1-5 is made, the debuff is failed. If it rolls 6-20, there is a check for the attacker's accuracy and the target's resistance with a 3% chance of critical failure or success, which is the same mechanics as the Witch's Remains artifact.
I'm not saying that from a DND perspective, the concepts of critical success or failure in save throws don't apply. But two types of critical rolls in one debuff, one of them 5% and the other 3%, is overkill. The 5% chance of failure is not documented in any way at all. By the way, if there is a spell upgrade to 100%, that chance disappears.
And while for heroes with single-purpose ultimates like Adrie, such mechanics are still acceptable, for Karf, the debuffer on which the entire Burning mechanic is built, 5% spell failure "just for fun" is a disaster.
I walk into the Arena in PvP, 20 seconds and I'm dead because Karf roll 1.
Why can't to use debuff mechanics like the Witch's Remains artifact? Thanks
fresh sparrow
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and concerns with us. We appreciate your feedback regarding the implementation of spell failure mechanics in the game.
We understand that you check the mechanics of the Witch's Remains artifact logical and well-designed. However, it seems that you have observed inconsistencies in how Karf's (and other heroes') ultimate abilities function.We apologize for any frustration caused by the spell failure chance in Karf's ultimate ability. We acknowledge your suggestion to use debuff mechanics similar to the Witch's Remains artifact for a more consistent experience.
Your feedback has been duly noted, and we will carefully review and consider it for future improvements to the game.
Thank you for your support and understanding. If you have any further questions or suggestions, please feel free to let us know. We are here to assist you.
Best regards,