hard inlet
Why is there a rare champion in the game used in every high level pvp team and almost every pve team too? You could half her damage and she would still be amazing. But EVERY high level pvp team is using her on my server, even with 5/5 ascended legendaries, Sigrid outshines them all.
Here is a typical battle report. Check your analytics. This is ridiculous.
Lol clown face but absolutely no argument. Whos the clown here? This is clearly broken... i can beat 5/5 pvp built legendary teams but Sigrid 1 shots my whole team almost every time I see her? Stop being a clown 🫣
glacial creek
the argument is you are coming in as some season 1 newbcakes spewing the same nonsense everyone did over 3 months ago when we were all season 1, except everyone gets used to it, builds their own sigrid, figures out how to counter them and moves on. so yeah, clown. newb.
skill haste on a cleanse or debuff immunity and done, she does NOTHING. pro tip
fresh agate
There's nothing over powered or broken about a hero that is accessible to everyone who plays the game, they literally give you a rare chest. IF they were to ever nerf her it needs to be for PvP only, nerfing her in PvE does nothing for anyone other make the game harder in certain areas.
hard inlet
the argument is you are coming in as some season 1 newbcakes spewing the same no...
"Everyone gets used to it and builds their own Sigrid" ... just nerf it ffs, its terrible. Get over it. Have you even heard yourself?
No rare should be in every pvp team and almost every pve team too. Its bad design. If it was a rare legendary it would still need a nerf.
glacial creek
so you are complaining about a RARE HERO being nerfed... when everyone gets a rare selector the first week of playing........ but you are fine with a bunch of legendary p2w heroes proliferating the arena? do you hear YOURself?
like the dumbest crap i've ever heard
go farm speed gear... outspeed her with a cleanser or a debuff immunity and your problem is solved. i do it daily, i farm sigrid teams. its a joke
hard inlet
so you are complaining about a RARE HERO being nerfed... when everyone gets a ra...
Name the legendary in the game as prolific and flexible as Sigrid please? It doesnt exist... thats my point. The availability is the primary problem.
glacial creek
so because you are bad and cant counter her like just about everyone else can manage, it is a problem
hard inlet
Make her a legendary and take her off everyone and add her to the pool... not so much of an issue
glacial creek
just stop
hard inlet
so because you are bad and cant counter her like just about everyone else can ma...
Obviously i CAN counter her. My point is that I shouldnt have to. Shes in every team, in every location. Shes a rare support that out dps's a 5/5 Drizzt. Its broken. Stop being a douche 😂
I assume youre a ftp loser wanting totally broken characters. Your opinion is ridiculous. But keep spouting nonsense kid
fresh agate
only people that have spent all their savings are complaining about sigrid tbh
glacial creek
hard inlet
https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481
I'll stop responding in kind with disrespect and ask you an honest question 😁
Does your "sigrid counter" team include a Sigrid, by any chance? 😂
fresh agate
my sigrid counter is an EVEN FASTER SIGRID
glacial creek
acilia on high speed so she immunes everyone before or after voresh does anything and then i bring a sigrid with a huge peepee that oneshots their tank
hard inlet
only people that have spent all their savings are complaining about sigrid tbh
I play 4 games, ive spent more on all of the others. Its not a question of money... its a question of fair game balance.
glacial creek
so pretty much wallet up for acilia, farm some better gear or just go away
fresh agate
what's unfair about a hero EVERYONE can get for free? not using her is a choice.
glacial creek
absolute whiney little turd
glacial creek
what's unfair about a hero EVERYONE can get for free? not using her is a choice.
because if he cant whale for it and be the best with 0 braincells he struggles
hard inlet
absolute whiney little turd
Im trying to be civil 😁 Are you capable of grown up conversation?
glacial creek
not with you. i spend time all day helping people try and build accounts around f2p or low spend accounts because they struggle with content and progression; meanwhile you got big old whiney babies over here complaining about one of maybe 2 options to level the playing field with people who spend liberally
meanwhile you here complaining you cant whale only her because it is hard for you 🥹 🥲
epitome of why the gaming industry is so garbage is people like you who want paid advantages
kid
hard inlet
not with you. i spend time all day helping people try and build accounts around...
Thats nice of you. Dont get me wrong, i think intelligent, creative teamwork should beat incompetant whales too. Thats not really whats happening though.
glacial creek
so whats happening? incompetent whale doesnt want to try hard?
hard inlet
epitome of why the gaming industry is so garbage is people like you who want pai...
Omg the people who PAY to keep yur game running expect something for their money?! 😂🤓🤪
Imagine my surprise.
glacial creek
lol i think we've been done here awhile. stop talking to me
hard inlet
a real whale counters sigrid with no issues
Like i say, I could. My point is that theres one rare in every single pvp team , in every goblin team, in every rot team. Come on lol. I do have a Sigrid too ya know. I have Thia, I have other counters. Thats really not my issue.
fresh agate
I keep saying and you keep ignoring it, everyone can get sigrid so why nerf her? that will make f2p players quit then p2p will soon follow as they'll have no one to feed on for ranks in pve and pvp
lost hound
😂 have they nerfed Sigrid yet?
hard inlet
I keep saying and you keep ignoring it, everyone can get sigrid so why nerf her?...
Just because evwryone has something doesnt make it any better. Its terrible game design and terrible balancing. That bugs me. If she had 2 areas she was exceptional in, that might be different. But again, thats not how it is
fresh agate
but it's not unbalanced if everyone can do it, what are you on about?
hard inlet
but it's not unbalanced if everyone can do it, what are you on about?
Its unbalanced relative to every other character in the game, including legendaries, not between accounts.
Thats why im talking about DESIGN and not competition.
fresh agate
she's basically a character that makes the game playable for a lot of people, if they nerfed her they'd probably lose too many players. and a game is not fun as a p2p player when all your f2p pawns have quit.
p2p comps are stronger and quicker without her so it's not really a big deal is it?
anyway i have to go put my gammon on the fish tank so i'm off, good chat
hard inlet
Lets just end this conversation on we're all entitled to our opinion. I do kinda get where you're coming from. It is nice that everyone gets something totally OP for free.
I just find the lack of diversity pretty lame 😁
sullen slate
-Down Vote- 👎
vale night
Think of it more as a bone being tossed to F2P. For pvp specifically your answer to that is out-skillhaste them and put up immunity or something on them. Put in back-line attackers. Etc
forest atlas
Everyone uses Siggy early because she's easy to use and fills a lot of crucial roles. But later in the season, people branch out because there are roles that other champs fill far better than her. By the end of S1 the only place I still used her was Goblin.
For others, they may never get alternatives to fill those roles, and without Siggy, they would've gotten stuck long ago.
I think you have a valid point for the early season but it doesn't really hold water beyond the first month and half or so. Of course, she'll continue to be an low-midArena mainstay, but will never dominate top arena because she's easy to counter.
vale night
PVP/Arena in all gachas at the top level is about taking the turn first.
placid pebble
a real whale counters sigrid with no issues
i think i used the same team as him in S1, ran into the same problem. My solution was to use Vicuc to cleanse before Sigrid ult popped. was quite easy
desert geode
Alright guys, please keep it civil and polite. And I do mean everyone.
OP, with all due respect, you have been playing for 20 days. Veyr basically took the words out of my mouth. Everyone uses Sigrid early on because she's relatively easy to obtain, use and level. Later on when people get more characters on their roster, they will branch out more. Pretty much everyone who has both Voresh and Sigrid will use that combo till they're further into the season and have more/better options. 5 affinity will kick in as well later on, rendering that combo (and Sigrid herself) less profitable to keep.
glacial creek
Nerf phaessa she is the real problem
hard inlet
OP, with all due respect, you have been playing for 20 days. Veyr basically took...
What doesnt make sense to me is the only counter argument i see is "you can build your team specifically to counter this 1 totally dominant rare champ..."
Sure. That's amazing. So the entire game revolves around a single rare. Every champion selection and every gear choice.
I'll be patient and take your word that this improves later in the season. Maybe I am being a noob 😁
fresh agate
What doesnt make sense to me is the only counter argument i see is "you can buil...
there are plenty of champs that are a pain and the majority of them will have a counter, the reason Remine said there's a counter for sigrid is because she's the champion in question
desert geode
You can build a team to counter pretty much anything to be fair. There's a couple of other annoying champs you'll encounter (and counter) as well
When they start getting Epics, it'll be the jumpers in PvP
And the stall teams
fresh agate
Stalls are the worst. Then you'll wish Sigrid was your only problem.
desert geode
I found the jumpers more annoying 😄 Then I just got them too xD
sacred talon
I totally agree with you. It's the most frustrating pvp experience. To me a good nerf would be to take the healing prohibition away from her ulti.
If you don't have Thia you're basically screwed. Honestly it sucks. And everybody's forced to play her unless they have a giga stall team.
forest atlas
What doesnt make sense to me is the only counter argument i see is "you can buil...
Well, let's be fair, people don't build specifically to counter Sigrid, they incidentally counter her.
For example, I run Acilia because she's a great healer and generally makes your team very difficult to kill, not because she counters Sigrid. She just also happens to do so. Likewise, we don't build skill haste to outrun Sigrid, we build skill haste because we want to outrun the opponent in general.
Also, later on when gear improves, Sigrid as a rare has much lower base stats than the epics/leggos common in Arena and is often unable to even 1 shot your team. I often just eat the hit; she's a non-threat.
sacred talon
Well, let's be fair, people don't build specifically to counter Sigrid, they inc...
Are your legendaries inspired ? Also it kinda sucks if you need Acilia and other legendaries to happen to counter it.
forest atlas
No inspirations. Not a whale unfortunately. I don't even see Sigrid in top 10 lol
You're picking on my arena team anyhow when it's completely beside the point. Sigrid is not that strong in top arena is what I'm saying.
sacred talon
She's probably not top 10 if you take into account all the legendaries that people don't have, but it sucks to need that to be able to win against it, if that's the case.
I'm on a season 1 server and nobody has a counter to her so everybody has her in their team, unfortunately. That's why she's a problem to me, because balance is not just at the highest rank, but for 90% of the playerbase she is very very strong and frustrating because everybody uses her
forest atlas
There is no way you need Acilia to beat Sigrid. There are so many counters, including just going first, which is good no matter what your team is or whatever you're against.
See what I said above about Sigrid falling off. She is dominant now, but will fall off very soon as people get better champs to fill those roles.
sacred talon
There is no way you need Acilia to beat Sigrid. There are so many counters, incl...
The only non legendary counter I know is Thia. I tried Catherine but it doesn't work because full auto
forest atlas
Thia is the easy answer because she has a 3s shorter cooldown than the majority of champs.
Catherine works if you go first using sufficient skill haste. A shielder like Adolphus also can work.
You can also directly kill Sigrid with a jumper like Shagrol or Caraman. They jump on their battle skill which goes off before Sigrid. This also works against any nuker.
Of course, you can also build skill haste and nuke her first. This works regardless of comp.
If you don't have one or more of those options, that's due to limited roster or gear. This is a common issue early on, as there really aren't many options. But that will change as the season progresses, everyone gets more champs and better gear.
sacred talon
No, Catherine doesn't work because the moment one guy takes damage she stops buffing the whole team
forest atlas
Uh, no. That's because Voresh put block buffs on you. You have to go before Voresh.
sacred talon
I do
forest atlas
You don't. Or else it would've worked.
sacred talon
No it doesn't work
forest atlas
You need more skill haste. Some champs have slower animations.
sacred talon
Catherine allows to tank the first voresh sigrid ult combo then gets outdamaged hard and loses
forest atlas
I don't know what to tell you other than that you're misinterpreting a game mechanic. Block debuffs works the exact same way on every champ
sacred talon
I tested it myself because I tried hard to beat this Sigrid Voreh combo
forest atlas
Okay you tanked the first ult. Kill them before they go again.
sacred talon
Not to mention it forces you to put all your team next to the tank
Which then gets countered by zhar loth and other aoe stunners
forest atlas
This really isn't a champion problem, it's an issue with either gearing or comp. If you can take a vid I can tell you what's going wrong.
sacred talon
You're wishfull thinking. It doesn't work like that
forest atlas
Then don't fight Voresh Sigrid Zharloth. Hit refresh button.
sacred talon
Delusional
forest atlas
Fine, I'm delusional, and you're losing. Hooray!
dreamy perch
Oh jeez, wait until you encounter Garius. Sigrid is only a problem if you don’t go first which is something anyone can fix by farming speed gear.
sacred talon
You're talking as if Voresh Sigrid teams can't have Garius as a frontliner. Kinda sus ngl
placid pebble
The only non legendary counter I know is Thia. I tried Catherine but it doesn't ...
I literally posted Vicuc is a counter, quite a while ago
Fitz a rare tank can also counter her
Even Enna can be a counter
Adolphus can also counter her, since he shields and its sufficient to take on her ult damage if its large enough
Also, avoiding facing certain team comps is not a bad thing to do. You most certainly can build a team to counter them, but you don't want to be swapping around characters every single time, just hit refresh and save yourself the headache.
At higher levels of Arena there are worse characters to fight against, (ult meter reducers, stunners, charmers, jumpers, stall comps, shield comps). Arena is a mixed bag, and you pick and choose. Its not a 1 comp to rule them all kind of setting unless you're a whale and have high inspirations.
Lower levels of Arena Sigrid shines because she needs the least amount of stuff to make her viable for good damage, but later on it drops off once you start figuring out mechanics to counter her
forest atlas
I previously suggested 6 viable countermeasures. I've given up on the Sigrid haters at this point. Guess I'll just leave them to keep losing to Sigrid lol 😂
sacred talon
Legit you are still missing the entire point which is for 95% of the community there is Sigrid in the team
How can people be delusional at this point
forest atlas
Rock paper scissors, just keep slamming your scissors at the rock. If everyone plays rock, just play paper. Wonder who's the delusional one? It's the early season metagame.
sacred talon
If it worked there wouldn't be 100% of the teams in the bottom 95% using Sigrid
Whatever
placid pebble
he gave you enough counters, i added a few more. if you have none of them, then play sigrid yourself with more haste, if you can't do anything, whats the point of pvp if you cant even beat a basic Sigrid team
forest atlas
If it worked there wouldn't be 100% of the teams in the bottom 95% using Sigrid
Cause the ones that figured it out are in the top 5% 😂
sacred talon
Cause the ones that figured it out are in the top 5% 😂
or they have legendary heroes and artefacts
sacred talon
he gave you enough counters, i added a few more. if you have none of them, then ...
I don't know how you can call the meta team basic when literally 95% of my server uses that team with little variation. It's the opposite of basic
placid pebble
It is meta because that is the only available decent champions a vast majority can get their hands on.
sacred talon
I explained my opinion, stop trying to force yours. I'm done with this discussion
I will not read ur answers
bye
placid pebble
You're the kind of person who'd complain if what you own is not as good as others. Entitled and simplistic. I'd rather not waste my time trying to explain or be helpful.
forest atlas
or they have legendary heroes and artefacts
Was 30th on my server with no leggos at beginning of S1 btw
Held on to that placement for most of the season
But anyway it is what it is. Arena is meant to be for whales anyway
placid pebble
Ignore the chap, move on. Close-minded bunch of simpletons who can't for the life of them figure out what a counter to a team is, and when you suggest some they say "oMg iTs P2w", what next? They overcome Sigrid meta, come into high-tier arena and complain about whale meta
sacred talon
You're the kind of person who'd complain if what you own is not as good as other...
Your personal attacks speak more of yourself that of me.
forest atlas
Either you beat them with strategy or you whale harder
sacred talon
insulting me of a simpleton doesn't do you favor either
Did I insult you ?
Sorry that you can't argue with proper arguments
placid pebble
Your personal attacks speak more of yourself that of me.
Oh please, I tried to help and you called it "forcing an opinion", if you can't comprehend basic things, that is not my problem is it?
sacred talon
It's your opinion
placid pebble
There's literally 2 people here in favor Vs a whole host of others.
sacred talon
My opinion is that you can't comprehend that balance is not just for the top 5%
And I've made it pretty clear
forest atlas
You're completely right. Balance is for whales. They're the ones keeping the servers running after all. Gacha games are always about the whales. The top 5% of spenders bring in 95% of the revenue.
sacred talon
I already said I was done with this discussion
placid pebble
You're completely right. Balance is for whales. They're the ones keeping the ser...
Enna, Fitz, Vicuc are all rares and epics I got after whaling btw
forest atlas
I still don't have Vicuc, guess I gotta whale harder
brittle sierra
I love the defense here...build a counter...in a game that undoes all your builds every few months.
How exactly do you build a counter to everything?
That said the original point is valid...except I don't care if she's rare or not...any champ do powerful that everyone builds her is unbalanced and should be nerfed. Every champ should have a potential use, and that ain't happening when any one is the go-to for almost every situation.
sacred talon
I love the defense here...build a counter...in a game that undoes all your build...
It's pretty obvious but a lost cause on this discord server who is going to call you a clown, a simpleton, etc. and accuse you of being the original poster that has recreated an account. I can assure you there is no point discussing this topic with them.
lost hound
I can't believe that thread still went on and on tbh. I mean everyone has a right to suggest things. AND they are only suggestions. It does not mean they will do it or even bring to devs attention. Who knows what another person is thinking anyway?
sacred talon
I can't believe that thread still went on and on tbh. I mean everyone has a rig...
Apparently not everyone is free to make suggestions on this discord ^^
forest atlas
Random thought that popped up, dunno if it'll work, but what about using a bait champ in front of tank to die first? Then Sigrid will fire ult early before Voresh goes and waste it.
I remember losing fights occasionally last season because enemy had some squishy that died early, causing Sigrid to waste ult.
hard inlet
Lets face it, a rare support should not be doing that much damage and applying the 2 best debuffs. You're free to disagee, but i think your arguments are totally awful.
I built a Thia and put her in skill haste , wrecking my far better team. Wanna know what happens now? Sigrid heal debuffs my tank with her single target, he dies, the rest of my team dies. Also had a battle where i was 5 v 1 against her and she used ultimate, killed 3, used second ultimate, finished team. From 100% health (including my Ergander in level 20 def% chest and gloves with health% and defensive flat stats and a level 16 crown of the unclean). Broken. Fix it.
lethal igloo
Lets face it, a rare support should not be doing that much damage and applying t...
Mate... you are just a bad player ( edit - as in you lack the knolwedge/skill ) I read this whole thread and you and Aaaarg have one and only one issue which is your inability to counter Sigrid with what in your mind should def counter her.
1st of all rares are amazing when used well, there's many cases, beating Ancient Battle is hard for most, then you see a team of rares doing it. Rare doesn't mean trash, while at the same time Legendary clearly doesn't mean Op... there's, many leggos that are pure trash, Drizzt being one. Sorry you got him to 5th inspo, Devs did him wrong. I also got him. Sucks for you and for me. Guess what Questa is better lol
There's many tactics to beat Sigrid not just hero counters, but guess what that's for you to find, same as I did. I love Sigrids teams cuz I know they will feed me arena points. On other hand can't stand Durango, Premtsa, and many other leggos. They one shot whole teams at times. So broken... well yes till I found a way to beat them. You know... this is what this game is about. It's chess kinda and again... you just suck by the looks of it. Good thing is you can learn and people in this threat already gave many solutions which you continue to ignore.
Regarding everyone using it...well it's a great combo, that very easily any news can grab. Ifcit wasn't Sigrid it would be something else. All games have the f2p heroes/teams. People have nothing else that gives them a chance so yee they use their limited weapons. You on other hand want to win with your credit card. But the card doesn't select gear, or displays the heroes in the arenas. You do... so stop complaining, and realize that on champions arena barely anyone used Sigrid teams, cuz THAT'S A LOSING TEAM.
north plinth
Why is there a rare champion in the game used in every high level pvp team and a...
Ergander is like the #1 debuffer for a sigrid, just use her.
Now, I do agree with you that she is strong, but she doesn't even make the cut for a top team in season 2.
You are 900 arena ranking points short of being able to tell the difference between your fights and top tier fights.
north plinth
Mate... you are just a bad player ( edit - as in you lack the knolwedge/skill ) ...
Damn bro, tone down the toxicity. You might get banned. Yikes.
lethal igloo
Damn bro, tone down the toxicity. You might get banned. Yikes.
Mate stating someone lacks skills is not being toxic. I was not disrespectful at all. It might bruise ones ego, but considering the whole convo... it's the sad reality of this thread. Specially considering pvp is a tiny portion of this game, and Sigrid does so much for f2p pve players. Nerfing her would only indulge a few arenaxefo hunters unable to find solutions for simple problems.
north plinth
Reads like a clear degrading attack to me. I am not the person to review these things so don't worry about that. All I can do is block and remove from my chat who I don't want to see. Bye.
lethal igloo
Reads like a clear degrading attack to me. I am not the person to review these t...
That was not my intent at all, if you read above it's full of full on "clown" personal attacks etc... I'm not worried, but words can carry a tone not intended. Consider I'm also not native speaker.
But tbh it is annoying when a person thinks spending equals to downright beat all content and win pvp battles. Many games died because of that, eventually thatcone meta team that beats them all kinda thing becomes very boring fast...
dreamy perch
Lets face it, a rare support should not be doing that much damage and applying t...
Tank in resistance gear maybe? Garius for example heals himself and voids all debuffs and he’s an epic champ.
I haven’t seen a real proposal as to how you’d “fix” Sigrid except presumably nerfing her dmg into oblivion and making her useless.
north plinth
Tank in resistance gear maybe? Garius for example heals himself and voids all de...
I think she will continue to dominate in the same way she has. It is something that doesn't affect top ranks because if your team can be killed by a sigrid in top ranks then it can be killed by literally anybody.
If you take sigrid away, you remove the ability for f2p players to have access to a strong hero. There is nothing to fix.
lethal igloo
Tank in resistance gear maybe? Garius for example heals himself and voids all de...
Indeed Drak, but the OP repeatedly ignores suggestions on how to overcome, what clearly became a gaming wall for him. His insistance is that if you have Leggo Heroes you have to beat Rares easily.
Like you, me and several other stated. Theres many ways to Skin a Sigrid 😛
dreamy perch
I think she will continue to dominate in the same way she has. It is something t...
You’re right, just asking the guys complaining as I haven’t seen any suggestion to discuss/ feedback.
hard inlet
Mate... you are just a bad player ( edit - as in you lack the knolwedge/skill ) ...
I dont have drizzt at 5/5 i know hes trash. Im talking about the teams I meet... No serious player is going to pay to support this, we're going to refund our purchases and let this otherwise awesome game die. Enjoy it while it lasts 😁
Funny thing is, you all call me a noob, just assuming. 😂 Im ranked top 10 on my server. Thanks very much. Thats not the point. My concern isnt really for myself, its for the games profitability and sustainability. Wouldnt expect you to understand.
Please mr and mrs developers. Ignore the noise and just examine your data.
hard inlet
Indeed Drak, but the OP repeatedly ignores suggestions on how to overcome, what ...
Thats not what i said at all, you clearly didnt read it, despite claiming you did... so ill repeat myself. An intelligent , creative team SHOULD have the ability to beat a poorly designed team of legendaries. That would be perfect, a balanced game where strategy and good play could overcome the odds. But that IS NOT what is happening.
Every braindead noob takes an aoe debuff and Sigrid. No thought, no creativity, no skill. Tedious. Boring. Lacking. Hope reiterating my point for you makes my objection clear. Its NOT that i expect any random team of legendaries to beat anything and everything.
Copy pasting the same boring, broken trash. Is not skill. It requires no thought. You arent being clever.
hard inlet
You’re right, just asking the guys complaining as I haven’t seen any suggestion ...
Well, i gave feedback at the very start. Half Sigrids damage.
Or switch her to Attack class and remove the 2 debuffs i guess, and the energy gain on kill.
outer kindle
So many people use sigrid not just because she's strong and easy to set up, but because many people refuse to put in the time and effort to build teams that counter her, so she becomes the path of least resistance for low spenders / f2p to farm arena currency.
There's nothing wrong with sigrid being the meta in low ranking arena. She requires specific setup that is easy to counter for anybody willing to put in the effort.
All you are doing by nerfing sigrid is making it more difficult for low spenders and f2p to put their foot in arena and enjoy the gamemode, which actually WILL kill your game mode over time.
sacred talon
Tbh they could just make other rare a little more useful if the F2P's are your issue, or simply ban the permapicked heroes in pvp
hard inlet
Again, its not f2p. Its broken characters and awful game design. I built a sigrid counter team. Even so, she is in 99% of teams and she is ALWAYS the derermining factor, in every single fight. If her 90% damage against my perfectly built tank + heal debuff arent instantly countered by an adolphus shield, my tank dies and Sigrid wins the match by default.
outer kindle
Again, its not f2p. Its broken characters and awful game design. I built a sigri...
You have a poorly built tank then, because arena sigrids don't build much accuracy, and your pvp tank should have resist built to counter debuffs and crowd control from any champ that isn't built specifically for full acc to debuff / crowd control.
tank is usually the last one to die vs. a sigrid
hard inlet
You have a poorly built tank then, because arena sigrids don't build much accura...
My tank is Ergander , he has level 20 def% gloves and chest with health% substats and a level 18 crown of the unclean, he is not poorly built. Sigrids damage output is just far, far too high.
outer kindle
My tank is Ergander , he has level 20 def% gloves and chest with health% substat...
none of that matters if he doesn't resist healing prohibition.
hard inlet
none of that matters if he doesn't resist healing prohibition.
He wouldnt survive the hit if i gimped his def to increase his resist though, would he?
outer kindle
This is how my ergander is built for arena, no sigrid lands a debuff. My gear isn't capped so the resistance will only be higher once I can farm appropriate runes and better gear
ergander relies on getting his bskill to heal and his ulti to go unkillable. He can't do that if he gets CC'd
Also you only need your tank to survive long enough so that the rest of your team can do what it's supposed to do
Ideally you have some kind of support to give healing and or protection to your tank or CC the other team to minimize their damage output. Ergander already does a lot of damage mitigation because he applies atk penalty by being hit as well.
hard inlet
Yeah, i have multiple cleanses, heals and shields in my team. Thats my Erg. He doesnt resist as you can see. Hes got more than 50% more defense tho... suppose i could try building him with resist tbh, didnt try that because the hit is just insanely strong
outer kindle
Yeah you need enough resist to not get healing prohibition, otherwise all the heals in the world won't save him
My s1 main tanks in arena even wore resistance main stat chestplates when I was in full builds
they had upwards of 400+ resist
Ergander a bit harder because you need to fit accuracy too
but I'd recommend the 2-piece set that gives acc + resist and another 2 piece that gives acc and skill haste or a 2 piece for def maybe
realistically his acc doesn't need to be too high though because the people you are trying to land debuffs on are nukers in the backline who have low or no resist
so you can probably drop witch's and put in scarab amulet for more survivability
Another thing you can do with ergander is put the damage soaking set on him and put another beefier tank in front of him who is built pure defense, and then ergander's passive will still proc because of the damage sharing set
So like crazy stacked horrus tank for example and ergander behind him will work well for that kinda thing
horrus doesn't need to cast to be tanky it's his passive that gives him shields
so horrus doesn't really need resist he can be built full tank and last a long time
outer kindle
Dang Ancestral procs Ergander passive? o__0
ye
I couldn't figure out what was happening this one guy last season put his ergander behind a main tank and I was still taking atk penalty I was so confused
I haven't tested it out but others told me that's what it was
forest atlas
Dayum wow, I avoided Ergander (as a Siggy Voresh player) last season so I did not know
outer kindle
In s2 i have my ergander in the atk boost when placing debuffs set
but eventually i'll put him in the 2x 2 piece resistance sets
forest atlas
Even with Ghul going first to cleanse, Ergander's kit just caused too much trouble for me
outer kindle
Yeah I always avoided ergander until towards the end when I could usually overpower
forest atlas
I fought him early season but he got to be too much when gear got better
outer kindle
My most frightening arena battle was vs. a solo +5 berengar
I didn't notice he was inspired because it didn't show it back then
he solo'd my A-team lol
outer kindle
probably same guy
forest atlas
Yeh probbly
outer kindle
dude who had that berengar musta got a chuckle every time
forest atlas
Ikr...
forest atlas
I pick fights with Berengar judiciously
He's not too bad if you have block debuffs tho
outer kindle
idk it just feels like the people who own berengar are strong
forest atlas
Well yeh, they're usually whales to even get him
outer kindle
Thing about arena is it takes a lot of effort and consideration and gearswapping to get the most out of your champs and it takes a lot of trial and error or game knowledge to put a good team together or a counter-team together.
Most people don't have the patience for it. Even some big spenders don't really have great arena profiles
forest atlas
Yeah. And knowing what to avoid too.
outer kindle
and I've seen some f2p or low spenders do very well, and yes that too
You find the 3-4 teams you can beat in your bracket and refresh a lot til you find them repeatedly
forest atlas
Yeah one of the big whales on my server has a full i5 team but everyone hits him cause he's a freewin
Well at least he's a freewin for me lol
outer kindle
Once you get to 2600+ global though it changes and you either put 1-man defence to drop back down to easier fights or you have to have really good / expensive champs and artifacts
hard inlet
Ok, Im gonna test a resist build cos tbh i didnt try it. Thanks for the thoughtful advice and discussion. 😁
Like I said above, its not that im losing many matches tbh. Its just the clear imbalance. Bit like when Gary tanks an entire team to time out with 0 support while your 5 are spamming him with healing debuffs and turn meter reduction. But thats another story 😂
outer kindle
I never started climbing past 2800/2900 until the last month of s1
forest atlas
And my clanmate that I farmed at the beginning of the season, but now farms me because his gear better lol
forest atlas
Ok, Im gonna test a resist build cos tbh i didnt try it. Thanks for the thoughtf...
Ah yehhh Garius is such a troll
Lost so many fights to him last season before I learned you gotta either burst him or CC him
Even nastier now since most Garius have Staff now
outer kindle
Yeah arena is the single most frustrating part of the game. When you lose by 1 stall champ or get countered and don't understand why, or feel like if you had that 'x' or 'y' champ you woulda won, it can be infuriating at times. Just gotta roll with it and try to change the things you have control over and do your best.
forest atlas
Ok, Im gonna test a resist build cos tbh i didnt try it. Thanks for the thoughtf...
Yeh good luck! Res on tanks is the way to go
outer kindle
positioning plays a big role in how fight RNG plays out as well
forest atlas
As soon as I had decent res gear, I slapped it on both my tanks
outer kindle
you might lose in one position and win in another, and unless you fight the guy 5-10 times repeatedly to find the winning position, you'll not know
forest atlas
Yeh positioning is huge. I feel like I baited so many wins because my positioning looks like potato but plays to the strength of my team
outer kindle
gotta think carefully about where his moves are going to land, especially if they 3x3 or diamond-shaped
also sometimes you can sneak a champ into their backline if their positioning is poor and get a taunt off on key targets
or drag all their frontline to one side to aoe them all at once with a key support behind them
hard inlet
positioning plays a big role in how fight RNG plays out as well
Yep. I found that out watching a youtube video, though Hvitar would target her battle skill but its just a straigjt forward beam...
outer kindle
yeah hvitar / phiilto
forest atlas
Journ too
outer kindle
huldork as well
i used to farm the biggest whale on my server because he used phiilto in defense for a while
forest atlas
You can use positioning bait to drag enemy tanks into line of fire tho
outer kindle
i'd just drag everybody to one side and phiilto only auto / bskill until frontline was dead
forest atlas
And Quaesitia is really effective in Arena specifically because she screws up positioning... and that passive lol
Went from top 30 to 11th after I got her
outer kindle
Yeah Quaesitia is annoying to face, but for some reason the people who use her I win against on my server
even when my whole team ends up in a 3x3 square around her we still win lol
forest atlas
Probably because they have bad teams... most of the Quae teams I fight I can beat too
outer kindle
the hard part about facing quaes is her targeting is so unintuitive... you think you put somebody to bait it and she picks somebody else
hard inlet
Yeah well that was the initial reason for my post tbh, i was farming our biggest whale and his multiple 5/5 legendary characters, decently built... the ss at the begininning was a Sigrid, soloing my whole team despite really poor positioning
forest atlas
Lol I've given up on trying to get her to target properly, I swear her battle skill is pure rng
Just drag a squishy into my aoe range and I'm satisfied
outer kindle
Sigrid is a beast and I ❤️ her, but she is very easy to counter if you have a decent selection of champs
hard inlet
I just pulled Questa... maybe i should build her. I hear good things
forest atlas
Questa is solid, don't have her personally but I think Caraman is better for Arena
Caraman useless in PvE tho
outer kindle
yeah caraman better in pvp for sure
in s2 you can use both cara and questa together though 😄
forest atlas
Truuu
outer kindle
I honestly thought questa was dog for pve until I tried her
I figured why would I use a single target damage champ, but the ability to 1-shot backliners is huge for turning a fight
forest atlas
Apparently she brings a lot of relevant debuffs
hard inlet
Oh i has Cara too. He is pretty annoying but my team tends to counter him ok
forest atlas
Oh i has Cara too. He is pretty annoying but my team tends to counter him ok
For now.... he's not scary early season because people's gear potato
outer kindle
And a well built questa will almost 1-shot a backline even in high level fae, as long as you have witch's
forest atlas
He gets way stronger later
outer kindle
Yeah caraman was one I avoided always
not worth it
you need like a really good protection champ or stunner like tamar to get away fighting caramans
even then if your squishy backline dps doesn't have protection asap the first bskill will 1-shot
forest atlas
Yeh, or just let him slay one nuker and nuke with the rest lol
Grishnaar is a good counter tho
outer kindle
I tend to build teams around 1-2 tanks 1-2 support 1-2 CC 1 DPS
so i'm pretty vulnerable to caraman nuking my dps
forest atlas
Ah I see
outer kindle
can always swap gear to have decoy but tbh too much effort
arena isn't important enough for me to put that much effort in to gearswap for specific battles
forest atlas
I don't really have CC so I usually run 1-3 tank/heal and then 2-3 nuker/support for Tag
outer kindle
unless it's an hour to reset and i'm close to upping a bracket
forest atlas
Yeah agreed, too much work
hard inlet
I have 2 tanks, 2 support and Hvi atm... but Thia is in full haste making Hvi invis... the damage output is a little low now is my problem
forest atlas
I even get lazy with Tag and don't bother repositioning lol
outer kindle
tag is good for me because a lot of people don't put effort into building tag teams
so i climb easily and score top 10 for master scroll (at least in s1) every week
forest atlas
Yeah a lot of teams are easy farms and tag rewards way better than regular arena
Oh dang I wasn't able to do that... I only had one good team lol
outer kindle
after server merge though we have so many stronger players and I only buy 2 bpass per season
forest atlas
Two okayish teams so I gotta be judicious about fights
outer kindle
i've been outscaled heavily by the players in new server
forest atlas
Yeah we merged with a much stronger server too
outer kindle
currently rank 9 in main arena but nobody has had time to fully gear yet
forest atlas
Our top whales beat theirs but their midtier is stronger by far
hard inlet
Im struggling with 3rd team was trying that poison execute lady but its pretty weak in pvp
forest atlas
I just leave 1 man def in Tag, easier to farm during the week
outer kindle
yep
i leave 2x 1-mans and 1 full team just so i can guarantee mostly 2-1 losses
otherwise you just plummet because for some reason the majority of people don't understand 1-man defense meta
the more 1-mans the less you lose personally because there are more people to farm
forest atlas
I just wanna tank so I can farm freewins without looking at people's teams lol
outer kindle
if only 2-3 people do it then those 2-3 people lose infinite
because they got 30 people farming them
forest atlas
One way I also do it is I use Garius as one of the one man teams
He wins way more than he should... people are dumb
lethal igloo
See Everstar, my main issue (and I did read your posts) is how you come at it. Starting with title, massive nerf, which set the tone for the rest. This thread became a game discussion on how to overcome a wall you hit. It's misplaced and seems put of frustration. There's many mechani s like Wix explained, and you will face many more, like a sped up Adolphus that fills 25% ultimate energy to the whole team and you don't even blink and all your team is dead. Is he broken? This is just an example
People are always looking for the best strategies, or what seems to be the best until someone finds better. I'm ranked 25 on areas and in the top teams you very rarely see a sigrid. People counter debuffs with vicuc, catherine etc... use positioning to trigger the enemy before time, etc...
It just sounds bad and off that as you faced this situation your frustration seems to have taken the best out of you. Maybe if you had asked nicely People would have helped you beat sigrid teams.
This game is soon complex.. no one knows it all, and I'm pretty much a newbie on s1.
forest atlas
Nah Everstar tbh was mostly rational, I feel like others fanned the flames way more
I don't blame him.
lethal igloo
Very there's so many heroes with Op skills in particular situations, arena is not even the core of the game. So in the balance and great scheme of things sigrid is a goblins hero and an atk down proc, let's ask the devs to brand her as legendary and we can all be happy. Lol
hard inlet
See Everstar, my main issue (and I did read your posts) is how you come at it. S...
Im 14 on my server now (1 guy hit me 10x lol) and besides mine, every team on every reset has Sigrid. My complaint boiled down to 1 rare dominating every aspect of the game. Besides me, I think every team on every leaderboard, from Heretical to Goblin to PvP, has Sigrid. Its just a bad thing to see. I was never saying it couldnt be countered. It is frustration though.
forest atlas
Yeah Siggy is everywhere for now... but most people don't even use her most places later since they have better options
lethal igloo
Tbh I never got my tank taken out by sigrid alone, it's rather impossible even, you must be getting your tank quite smashed before she hits. Your Ergander is not bad at all that is a weird affair thing, math doesn't add up mate.
forest atlas
I mean, I only used her in Gobs by the end of the season
She's too squishy and low statted for endgame content
hard inlet
Good 😛
forest atlas
This season, I built her again, but the only place I use her is Gobs
Can't beat Siggy machine gun lol
lethal igloo
Iola is soon Op
outer kindle
I'm using siggy in my main arena but that's mostly cuz i pulled a grish and ergander as 2 of the 4 legos I got from the 80/80 pulls
outer kindle
I win vs. everybody who isn't top 20 arena but i pick and choose my fights so i can climb to top 10
everybody top 10 relentlessly farms me though
hard inlet
I dont like Iola that much :/ shes ... ok ... that shadow epic seems a lot better to me
lethal igloo
I just want the artifact at this stage lol
outer kindle
I use iola in main arena team as well 😄
forest atlas
Yeah same. I sit 11th because I can farm everyone lower, and can't beat the guys higher lol
outer kindle
She's awesome though I wish i had tamar
forest atlas
Everyone up here knows who they can beat so everyone just farms the people they can
outer kindle
I wish I had a felosia maaaan
hard inlet
I try not to hit the same person too often i feel guilty lol
outer kindle
pfft
they know what they signed up for
my attack log is the same 4 people non-stop
forest atlas
Tell that to the guy who whacked me 6x in a row
outer kindle
my defense is same 4 people non-stop
outer kindle
hard inlet
Thats what mine looks like too but its a chinese lady with felicia.
outer kindle
Also some people have teams that can easily beat most of the others but you can beat them, so you're doing god's work by keeping them in line
forest atlas
Also some people have teams that can easily beat most of the others but you can ...
Yuppp
Me fighting 160 haste Elecebre without Hourglass of my own rofl
outer kindle
There's a ton of nuance and rock/paper/scissors in this arena which is what makes it interesting and worth putting time into, but once you hit whale territory near the top it feels oppressive
no way you're getting through a garius / felosia / phaessa / elecebre team no matter what you do
hard inlet
I need hourglass tbh. Only got witches, i keep pulling none dupes boohoo. 1st world problems
forest atlas
I beat the guys with that team but it takes 2 minutes so I refresh and go find a 30 sec win instead lol
outer kindle
I've pulled 13 legendaries total and 3 dupes so i'm in good shape
witch's / gatekeepers / hourglass ftw
next will be solar horn probably and then drugo's
sadly like 7 of my legos are meh af
forest atlas
Ah I have 3 dupes out of 17, got Horn over Hourglass tho, because Acilia
hard inlet
I've pulled 13 legendaries total and 3 dupes so i'm in good shape
Sounds just about perfect if you have good legos...
forest atlas
Lol last season I mostly only used 3 of my leggos
outer kindle
gillian / thelendor are my only 2 legos I use in pve
forest atlas
This season my luck is much better, quality was much higher
outer kindle
grish / ergander for pvp, and then the rest are meh
i got stegamoffyn and shai'nachten from my 20 tickets which don't do anything for me
hard inlet
I prefer the troll for almost all pve content
forest atlas
Muffin man is just bad lol
outer kindle
he should be useful but 25% chance to land debuffs is too low
especially when there is mainly only 2 of his 5 debuffs you really WANT to land
forest atlas
I got flipping Eurion from the 20 tix even tho I had golden tix... was so pissed lol
forest atlas
he should be useful but 25% chance to land debuffs is too low
That and the debuffs are only 5 sec... so they fall off in a fart
outer kindle
Only use i can see for him is in stun set as a CC bot and maybe can do some damage to snipe a backline dps in some cases if you can build enough dmg
sacred talon
he should be useful but 25% chance to land debuffs is too low
Muffin only 25% chance ? What about the epic artefacts that increase this chance ?
forest atlas
Those are garbo
outer kindle
doesn't increase it because it's his passive not his ult
sacred talon
Oh sad
forest atlas
Muffin man looks cool but he's a big potato
sacred talon
Those are not garbo tbh, it's nuts on Ripekas
outer kindle
good thing about stega is he's my first and only block revive, so i'm sure he'll get some use at some point
sacred talon
Just very situational artefacts
hard inlet
I jist want the Krysos and the crazy wild dps lady and im done with s1
outer kindle
get in line son
forest atlas
Those are not garbo tbh, it's nuts on Ripekas
Why would you use those on Ripekas? He has 100% to land
sacred talon
vs high resist ?
forest atlas
I jist want the Krysos and the crazy wild dps lady and im done with s1
Yehhh I really want Khrysos too
hard inlet
Well a dupe Hvi would be lovely
forest atlas
Will get resisted anyways lol
outer kindle
the extra chance to land is useful for champs that don't have 100% chance to land debuffs
forest atlas
The artifact only affects proc ratw
outer kindle
idk if it works on crowd control moves but I had one on my arena iola last season
forest atlas
You still need acc more than enemy res
outer kindle
it seemd to help but idk
forest atlas
Yeah it works on CC
sacred talon
Why did they make those artefacts ?
forest atlas
To troll newbies
outer kindle
for champs without 100% chance to land valuable debuffs on their ulti
sacred talon
Twitch ?
forest atlas
And for people who can't book their champs
outer kindle
It's a situational artifact not high priority
like you could put one on zhar'loth it'd be cool
sacred talon
for champs without 100% chance to land valuable debuffs on their ulti
I can't think of any of them
outer kindle
idk if it helps with stun sets but that would be another reason to use one
I just gave you iola as an example
forest atlas
I didn't even buy them, I left in the shop so they don't gum up artifact inventory lol
hard inlet
I wonder why they made the rift hourglass... that one was nerfed and still... gimme!
sacred talon
I just gave you iola as an example
controls =/= debuffs
I rly don't get why they would make artefacts that have no use
so bad design
outer kindle
controls =/= debuffs
veyr said they worked on cc. I had one on iola last season and it seemed to work but i never did extensive testing
sacred talon
Maybe Deverick
outer kindle
I mean it's just an artifact that gives a ton of acc and helps land non-100% debuffs on ulti. If you don't need it you don't need it
hard inlet
Iola hits x3 anyway though increased chance is mostly overkill
outer kindle
there are some champs it's helpful on or just as an acc boost when you've used up all your other acc artifacts on other people
There's only crown and incense for epic acc artifacts
and if you don't want your ulti going out of sync in arena then you can't use incense
sacred talon
Iola hits x3 anyway though increased chance is mostly overkill
absolutely
outer kindle
and crown isn't doing anything for you if you already have a witch's
sacred talon
I really don't believe that it works with cc, kinda sus
outer kindle
and no it's not overkill, the less rng you can produce in arena the better
there are many times iola completely whiffs even a single silence on her ulti
there seems to be some calculation going on in the background because sometimes she ults and hits zero control at all
hard inlet
You would know a lot better than i, i didnt build her yet. Just from reading the text
outer kindle
and when you're talking about team arena you need a ton of artifacts, so having extra acc artifacts can be handy
I threw it on thinking, I just want the acc, but if the passive works with CC all the better
it seemed to help from my eyeball test, and veyr says it works with cc
so i'm inclined to believe so
even if it doesn't, it was still the right artifact for that team at the time
sometimes you use an artifact just for the stats it gives, especially late season when you have leveled every artifact you want and sitting on 50k essence
sacred talon
in my language it says buffs and debuffs that's why I find it weird
buffs is a good thing to note, maybe we missed heroes that have a chance to buff
outer kindle
well if you vs. a phaessa in arena in s2 she has 20% reduce chance to land buffs / debuffs
so those artifacts are actually pro now
sacred talon
That's a neat thing
hard inlet
Curious ... are there many s1 characters retaining value into s2?
outer kindle
yeah if anything a lot of s1 champs gained more value in s2
due to elemental affinity changes
s2 champs are really just PURE DMG champs there's only a couple of strong support / tanks
phaessa / rose / questitia / malak / dalk are the support / tanks
rest are dmg basically
sacred talon
because all those elemental mechanics bring nothing to the table except damage
forest atlas
I rly don't get why they would make artefacts that have no use
They exist so other artifacts look better. It's psychological design
outer kindle
They exist so other artifacts look better. It's psychological design
veyr think about phaessa meta in s2
you can hard counter for important buff / debuffs with those now
forest atlas
Same reason why mcdonald's sells 20pc nuggets for $6 but 10pc for $5
forest atlas
veyr think about phaessa meta in s2
Huh true
hard inlet
$6 for 20 nuggets?! Maybe I should move to america
forest atlas
Hahaha how much are they where you are?
forest atlas
Curious ... are there many s1 characters retaining value into s2?
Yeah agreed, tbh we actually recommend f2p players to just pull on main banner and avoid S2 banner for that reason.
S2 didn't bring many utility champs
And never fixed the ice/necro can't heal problem
outer kindle
It's incredibly hard to hit something that will benefit your account on s2 banner a huge amount, whereas there are so many amazing s1 legendaries you can pull on main
although I will say the s2 ice blast epic gerthin + bleddyn combo is nice to carry vortex and OW boss damage
forest atlas
Yup, I got Acilia when pulling for the 80 and she totally changed the way I approached virtually everything
outer kindle
but you probably have other options that are almost as good by the time you start s2
forest atlas
Yeah I'm using those 2 with Zhorak, got 29.5m the day V4 opened... last season 25m on V4 was such a huge struggle
outer kindle
I got bionphray / dupe errich / grishnaar / ergander from my 80/80 main pulls
forest atlas
Solid pulls tbh
outer kindle
not the worst, but I will only use grish and ergander and bion in pvp
forest atlas
I just got Acilia, dupe Journ, and dupe Journ again 😂
outer kindle
i'd love a journ
forest atlas
But they got me leggo artifacts which tbh is better than most leggos
outer kindle
yeah when you're f2p / low spend lego artifacts are life
forest atlas
Journ is awesome, used him everywhere S1
outer kindle
only crap thing about lego artifacts is the first 3-5 or 6 are kinda set in stone, so you don't really want to pick any of the '4-fun' ones
Like matriarch needles I want
but can't pick those until number 10 or 11 XD
hard inlet
Hahaha how much are they where you are?
I dont know tbh, a lot more than that, I think. Maybe Im wrong 😮
forest atlas
only crap thing about lego artifacts is the first 3-5 or 6 are kinda set in ston...
True... although the must picks really are truly gamechanging
outer kindle
aye
the new lego artifact from pillars looks crazy good as well this season
Gives you like 3 stats + 30% bonus healing fulltime
sacred talon
s2 pve artefacts are bonker
the fey meander one gives 30% bonus attack and 30% bonus hp iirw on top of its normal stats
to non legos
forest atlas
Yeh it's a permanent version of S1 pillar art plus a bunch of HP
Basically a giant stat stick. Not sure how good it really is tho
Doesn't seem gamechanging but definitely won't be useless
forest atlas
I dont know tbh, a lot more than that, I think. Maybe Im wrong 😮
Looks like you know what's for lunch tomorrow 😂
sacred talon
Doesn't seem gamechanging but definitely won't be useless
Yes it's not game changing because non legendaries have pretty vanilla kits and lower stats than legos and by adding stats you're not compensating their main weaknesses that makes them lesser than a lego
hard inlet
Journ is awesome, used him everywhere S1
I checked, its £6 here for 20. Always assumed it would be more
forest atlas
I checked, its £6 here for 20. Always assumed it would be more
Ah well then it's pretty close lol
forest atlas
Yes it's not game changing because non legendaries have pretty vanilla kits and ...
Feels like the purpose is just to put on melee champs to make them less squishy
I mean, that's not a terrible purpose... just that it's very narrow
sacred talon
It also matters for backline heroes to avoid jumpers
forest atlas
Eh the extra hp isnt gonna save them from a well built Caraman
sacred talon
I think some jumpers look at the hp stat
outer kindle
eh the fae artifact doesn't look that great to me
but the pillar one is just crazy strong for a healer support
one who scales on enlightenment anyways and wants resist build
I'll put on gillian for arena
forest atlas
Yeh for me it's going on Acilia... whew that is gonna be bonkers
hard inlet
but the pillar one is just crazy strong for a healer support
Caraman in executioner on a rampage thx for the tip
eager garnet
