Rose Bug, her ultimate not healing.

[steep thistle]

As you can see from the video, her ultimate vs the last boss should heal all the melee character close to the boss, instead it only goes to Durango. And in Vortex she doesn't heals anyone

[versed glacier]

Dear Traveler, thank you for talking the time to get in touch with us and for sharing your concerns.
Regarding Rose Bug, please note that we've reported the issue to the relevant team and we'll get back to you as soon as possible.
Thank you for your support and understanding!

[steep thistle]

Appreciate ur comunication, thanks alot

[steep thistle]

hey, any feedback? Kinda would like to use her in vortex as intended

[orchid elk]

Any news on this one? Rose was looking like great champ

[versed glacier]

Dear Traveler,
We're still investigating this issue, thank you for taking the time to check whether there are any updates or not, as soon as there's a conclusion we will let you know.

[idle kelp]

please change her ultimate where she heals/cleanses the whole board, not just heroes close to the enemy, because no one will bring a healer/cleanser that cannot heal the whole team 😦 players will choose different healers, especially for vortex fight, she will not be used by anyone and many people summoned her and would like to scroll her skills and use her

[versed glacier]

Hi Traveler.
Thank you very much for your feedback. I will record your feedback as a suggestion and forward it to our development team. (Change Rose's ultimate where she heals/cleans the whole board, not just heroes close to the enemy.) They will do their best to provide you with a better gaming experience.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us.
We hope you continue to enjoy our game and have a great day!

[steep thistle]

That's not the issue, that's changing totally an ability. The issue to adress is fixing the bug of the already existing ultimate skill

[idle kelp]

fixing the bug should happen, but don't you want her changed to better???
this way she will heal your tank or maybe one more melee at best? then she is not viable to be used in vortex or continental bosses or endgame boss, the most important content in the entire game, because she will heal 1-2 heroes. who wants that??? then the other 3-4 in your team will be 1-shot ny the bosses ultimate because she didn't heal them

[steep thistle]

That will not change to better, that will change to insane. It's not supposed like that. She is already giga strong if the bug got fixed, improving her ultimate will be totally no broken and not right

[steep thistle]

If she got her ultimate fixed like is supposed to be, in vortex she will heal all the team if placed all in melee range..

[idle kelp]

every single healer can heal everyone or cleanse everyone on ultimate, how is that insane? my Gillian does that , Ascillia, even VIcuc an epic can cleanse and heal the entire board

[steep thistle]

But they don't do the damage of a dps, instead rose does... + recharge speed pentalyhy + atk penalthy 2, be reasonable bro

[idle kelp]

she is not a true dps and never will be, her skills will never do that 😄

and you will not put all your heroes in melee range lol, maybe vortex and nowhere else, you be reasonable

[steep thistle]

She is a debuffer that doesn't need accuracy, and an hybrid dps healer scaling on enlight, that means u can go full healing/dps with no need of accuracy. It's one of the best designed character at all, anyway this is a bug post not a balance post. So no reason to talk about this here

[idle kelp]

well, I wil, if you mind it disregard it, you don't need to reply to me, thx bye bye

[arctic grail]

I thought she is a good lego but after I used her in vortex it turned out to be a useless one without any heal at all (in other pve content it heals sometimes when there is a lot of enemies) but in vortex it does 0 heals like the enemy is too far (?) I hope they fix it or else its more of an epic with atak penalty and nothing else

[lunar flume]

U need all map healing from dmg dealer, debuffer, cleanser? Her kit isnt enough broken for u? @,@

[versed glacier]

Dear Traveler,

Thank you for reaching out to us with your observations.

Upon careful examination and testing, we found that the ultimate ability of the character in question functions correctly. In the video, it appears that during the encounter with the last boss, the healing effect targets only Durango due to the boss unit's positioning.

Additionally, in the Vortex, the healing ability is affected by the placement of the Sea Deity unit. As a result, there are no nearby allied heroes to target for healing, explaining the lack of healing in that scenario.

We appreciate your diligence in providing this information and your commitment to the game. If you have further inquiries or encounter any other issues, please feel free to share them with us. We're here to assist you on your journey.

[arctic grail]

The vortex part has to be a joke 🤣

[idle kelp]

so that means that she will never be able to heal more than one melee hero, because she healed only Durango? and on Vortex it means she will never be able to heal anyone?

and not just heal, her cleanse is also connected to the same skill, so she will either cleanse/heal 1 target or no one depending on the situation. so she can apply atk penalty and that is it? no one will take her into fight, because people will take a healer that can heal/cleanse everyone, like Gillian or Ascilia, and no one will take her only for attack penalty and kick out their healer/support for that. Most tanks can apply it, or the support that is applying def penalty from Witch's remains, even tanks without atk penalty will take Iron Maiden.

[steep thistle]

This is a pure buls hit answer. So make a champion completely useless in one of the main content because u designed bad the position of the boss? How is that even a possibility

[steep thistle]

If vicinity is a mechanics, the vortex boss is bad designed with 2 tiles distance

[atomic reef]

This is an awful response, you've (not personally yourself) have made a great hero essentially redundant in a lot of content where she'd shine.

[steel knoll]

This answer makes her useless as a healer. You can as well remove the healing part from her ult description and it won't change a thing now.

[lunar flume]

Yeah, just like Drizzt as a summoner, i hope they remove his panther but they said no 😆

[steep thistle]

I really hope u will take care of the community feedback on this answer and make something to improve this feature...

[idle kelp]

not only healing cleanse too 😔

[topaz sierra]

And it's totally meaningless about Rose, like a melee character, who has a range of 1 square, reaches Malinus/Vortice and her ability doesn't reach the characters, another thing the description says "around", not from the center of the boss's hit box, around it is all the space that surrounds the opponent's hit box. Honestly, the company has to take action about this, because the character is being a real "bait". I invested everything in it myself, heliolites and Scrolls, for it simply not to work.

[steep thistle]

• 100 the melee character thing is totally the point

[steep thistle]

Listen the comunity and do a step back about this, we begging u.

[runic barn]

Absolutely unfair that the effect in Vortex battle doesn't correspond to the description. As things stand, the character is useless anywhere.
The least would be to rework the spell if the coding of the vortex battle doesn't enable it to have the expected effects (as stated in the description).
Plan B is a legendary scrolls refund to the unfortunates who foolishly trusted the spell description to be true.
Thanks

[versed glacier]

Regarding Rose healing bug.

in Vortex , because of the positioning of Sea Deity, there are actually no teammates near Sea Deity, it just looks like there are teammates near Sea Deity.Because of the visual error, You guys thought that the heroes in the front row were very close to Sea Deity. In fact, the heroes in the front row were far away from Sea Deity . So Rose's heal won't work in Vortex.

Regarding the issue of it only goes to durango, It is also because of the position of the Boss. There is only Durango near the Boss.

Like in this picture attached.

[devout rock]

How do the melee heroes even attack then when they are 'far away from Sea Deity', they are only supposed to be able to attack in melee range. If this is the case, then make it so that no heroes can attack with melee abilities in Vortex, see how that works out. This is such a cop out response. Rose's heal and cleanse won't work properly in any dungeon with distance or a buffer around the boss...

[idle kelp]

exactly.

[idle kelp]

how can melee heroes even hit Sea Deity then if he is far away?
You are failing to admit that you have a flawed boss in the game and won't change him, which leaves Rose useless!!!

a lot of the community as well as content creators are complaining that you should not be making new heroes until you rework or buff the old ones which are bad and no one uses them anywhere, for example Talwer.
This is a GAcha game, and summoning heroes is pure RNG. So if I get an exclusive hero that is strong, and I did get him today :), and another player gets Rose or Talwer, they will be in a much worse position than me, and maybe we invested the same number or heliolite dice. How is that fair to the other player who ended up with a bad legendary?
Please buff old heroes, or new ones like Rose, and try to balance the game.
You have literally admitted that Vortex boss if far away from the heroes, and that flaw needs to be fixed as it can bring many more mistakes in the future with the upcoming heroes

[steep thistle]

If the melee heroes are far from the boss, how can they attack it? They throw weapon at him once?
We got the answer, but is totally wrong, everything a melee here can attack, should be close.

Anyway, this is not an hard fix and i don’t know why you are struggling so hard to admit and to fix it.
Just make any tiles close to the bosses, where melee can hit, the “around” of the boss. Not like there are dead cells that we cannot see

[bronze gorge]

this .......

[runic barn]

Agreed with you 100%! It's just common sense.
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[sacred falcon]

Increasing the radius of Rose's heal/cleanse should resolve the community's issues with her. Whether that's to 2 squares or a diamond shaped 3 squares, not sure (there's a balance consideration) but the way she works right now is very lame. I want my scrolls back if you're going to leave it the way it is

[steep thistle]

There is no need to buff her radius, just remove the 2 empty tiles on vortex and consider all the tiles where melee can attack “ around “ the bosses

[versed glacier]

Travelers, Regarding the issue where Rose's healing mechanism does not meet players' expectations in such Boss encounters, I have documented your feedback and will discuss it with the relevant team members.
Thanks for your feedback.

[sacred falcon]

Her issue is not just with Vortex. Without improving this aspect, she's very average

[steep thistle]

Thank you for ur answer, we will wait for a feedback from the devs, hopefully with a more explainatory description

[topaz sierra]

We understand your explanation and the mechanism, this is very similar to the D&D board game, each square is 5 feet, however, the error is in relation to the description, which led us to believe what is written and "buy" the idea , invest in it. Here in my country, if a company puts the wrong "price" on a product and advertises it, it is obliged to "sell" it at the advertised price, the customer is not to blame for the company's error. The fair thing would be: either correct the text and compensate the players or follow what is written: "AROUND", it is understood that around is around the HIT BOX, not the central point. Analyzing from the D&D point of view, Malinus is Huge or Colossal, a hit box of 15ftx15ft (3x3 squares) or 20ftx20ft (4x4 squares), therefore, around it would be 1 square more or 5 feet.

[hexed solstice]

If Characters are considered far away from sea deity, then why is this not refelcted in bonus damage from the "Queen's Fan" artifact?

You keep saying the hero is not meeting players expectation but the reality is the character is not working as it is worded. At this point the character should either:

A. Be re-worked to fit the description
B. Have all skill scrolls invested by players refunded and the character removed from the pool until a different fix is found.

You cannot blame the boss positioning/hit box when his positioning has been disproven by multiple factors. IE: Melee can hit the boss, Queen's fan.

[versed glacier]

Dear Traveler,

Thank you for bringing to our attention the inconsistency between Rose's skill description and its actual effects. We fully understand that accurate and precise skill descriptions are crucial for players to strategize and develop their characters.

We have forwarded your feedback to our development team again and have learned that due to the unique positioning of the Temporal Vortex boss, Rose indeed cannot heal her teammates. Our team will revisit the skill text and discuss potential optimizations to ensure it conveys the skill's actual effects more clearly and accurately.

We appreciate your understanding and support and promise to continue our relentless efforts to enhance the gaming experience. Should you have any further questions or suggestions, please feel free to contact us at any time.

[steady horizon]

I agree with All points above and will add that if Rose is intended to be a healer, making her unable to perform her healing in the most important situations for healing effectively makes her unusable which is unacceptable. As was mentioned above if D&D mechanics are being used the heal as it is stated heals all ally’s in a 5 foot radius. If a melee character is able to hit without a “reach” weapon then it is 100% within a 5 foot radius and thus should be effected by the heal. Suggesting the boss positions place them “too far away” is rather insane and completely against all game mechanics let alone D&D mechanics. If melee can hit then the heal should be able to hit. Her healing is not that strong and being that she is legendary allowed her to heal all adjacent hero’s as her skill actually states is perfectly fine.

TLDR: please fix this bug so we can enjoy and use this hero and not have to dump her in the bin as an unusable waste of a heliolite die.

[steady horizon]

Also as a counter to your post above about healing working on a single hero on the regular boss fights…..you are incorrect… none of the melee are getting heals in that screen shot on the fire domain boss…

Not one… none.. again please fix

[versed glacier]

Dear Traveler,
In order to investigate this properly, kindly send us a video in battle.
As soon as you do we will investigate the issue and get back to you as soon as possible.

[idle flicker]

Here:
It's just a + sign skill from the center of the target enemy.

The issue is boss center points are further back than others but you still have the limitation of how close you get.

E = Enemy center point
B = Blocked area, but can still attack
X = Heal areas.

  X

XXX
XXEXX
XXX
X

So thats the ideal area if the target is single square size.

But take the elemental bosses for example:

  X

BBB
BBEBB
BBB
B

So only the tank gets healed in that occasion. Vortex is even FURTHER back, so no heals happen.

Like we did testing a week? ago with a few of us who unlocked her. Its a game limitation. Either they have to recode Rose to heal in a diff way, or she is what she is.

[steady horizon]

Ah I see what you mean now. So in my case on the fire boss because I have Drizzt and Garius offset to avoid the extra damage none of them are front and centre. In which case we are back to, they really need to fix Rose.

[steep thistle]

You keep repeating about the "Unique" position of the Vortex boss, when the same problem is present even in the Video i provided at start. The vortex boss position is not Unique, is wrong. Since melee can hit it, the 2 empty cell around the boss are totally meaningless.

[steady horizon]

I see two possible solutions, recode rose’s heal to operate slightly different. Maybe one big heal or just make it heal all hero’s anyway. Or fix all the hit boxes for the bosses. Till then rose is only useful in maybe goblin and barely arena.

[steep thistle]

Tbh, the fix is kinda easy, making the " around " of the boss every cell where melee can hit it. like it should be

[steady horizon]

Agreed.

Melee in general tend to suffer because of aoe so it’s not really that op to have a little extra healing thrown their way. Rose has the potential of being very very good if they fix this. Otherwise I fear there will be better options to take her place.

[steep thistle]

@versed glacier We waiting lovely

[steel knoll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvCKHJZrT_s this just says it all. Please fix her instead of telling us she works as intended, because she does not work.

[exotic juniper]

Yes, please fix her. Neither her healing or cleanse works

[steady quarry]

This hero is current garbage and needs an actual fix. These responses are frustrating. She has only one area of the game where her kit would be useful and it's essentially bugged. There's no reason the Tempest Boss shouldn't allow any characters to be adjacent to it. Please fix.

[blazing frost]

+1 we leveled up thinking about her abilities explanation, but doesn’t work on many dungeons.

[steady horizon]

The reality is it doesn’t work as written on any dungeons and on most it doesn’t work at all. And the suggestion that it has to do with positioning…. Well if melee can hit it than logic would dictate they are in range.

The kit in this hero is by no means overpowered even if it was working properly so why not just make it work the way it’s been worded.

@versed glacier

[versed glacier]

Dear Travelers,

Thank you for bringing to our attention the inconsistency between Rose's skill description and its actual effects. We fully understand that accurate and precise skill descriptions are crucial for players to strategize and develop their characters.

We have forwarded your feedback to our development team again, we'd like to highlight that changes in the game must be reviewed before develop and presented to Travelers, which will take some time. Please be patient with us. Thank you very much for your love for our game, and we will do our best to provide you with a better gaming experience.

We appreciate your understanding and support and promise to continue our relentless efforts to enhance the gaming experience. Should you have any further questions or suggestions, please feel free to contact us at any time.

[hexed solstice]

Until that point in time she should be taken out of the pool.

[steep thistle]

You literally copy pasted ur answer of 3 days ago.... you are not even try to talk with the community

[blazing frost]

Just return a legendary box to summon another

[broken gazelle]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r-HurzmBNVk&pp=ygUWZHJhZ29uaGVpciBzaWxlbnQgZ29kcw%3D%3D

[steady quarry]

Yep, refunding Rose with a working legendary would be a fine solution. I'd even take a token for an artifact over her.

She should be removed from the game until shes a working character.

[broken gazelle]

Yes if you dont fix her please delete her and give us a token at least. She is almost everywhere useless. And she is a legendary 😅😂

[steep thistle]

@versed glacier @quasi tartan it’s been 10 days since her malfunctioning reported.
It’s a legitimately time to get a real feedback about this instead of a copy paste text.
Considering she costed money to alot of people.
I’m going to report this on appstore and playstore tho.

How hard could it be to make her healing the melee range.

[steady quarry]

Yea, it's probably time to start reporting/reviewing the game for this.

[kindred matrix]

This is a common case for a boss hitbox in most games:
If it is a square larger than 1x1, then all the boundaries of this square are a melee zone.
The "realism" of the Vortex boss sounds like an extremely bad joke, where is the logic? Then cancel all melee heroes on big bosses and make artifacts like the Queen's Fan work from the center of the boss, not from the edge of the hitbox.
Developers should be consistent, they want to make the game realistic or want it to be playable.

[steep thistle]

@everyone considering we are at 11 days without any valuable feedback on the issue, and alot of people spent real money, just quick math :
Legendary pull around 70€
8x scroll = 450 wyrm x8 = 3600 wyrm
This can be considered a Fraud, so obvius review and ticket to Appstore and Playstore should be submitted

[versed glacier]

@everyone Dear players,

We do apologies for late responses regarding Rose ultimate and we are working on it as soon as we can and we are fully aware of the issue.

Issue is being reviewed to our development team for optimizing the description of the skill scope in future patches and events.

Lastly we thank you for your support and love for the game , and getting together for reporting this issue that will be definitely taken care of asap !

[sacred falcon]

Thanks for the update, but you're going to end up with a community with pitchforks if your "fix" is to change the description of the ability. Please make her as useful as intended. Right now she's very average and I want all my skill scrolls back if she doesn't work properly

[steep thistle]

It’s easier to change a description and leave a champion useless, than fix an abnormus error in the coding of Vortex and other bosses positioning i guess

[sacred falcon]

Then they need to rework her so she isn't dependant on these wonky boss hitboxes

[sonic needle]

Wonder if she would be to op if they made her ult radius have a mapwide affect rather than its current.

Make the cleanse a % chance to balance maybe

[steep thistle]

Tbh, the easiest fix should be make her ultimate works propelly in all the melee range of the target. As intendeed since the start i think

[sonic needle]

Thats still wonky to work with due to hit boxes tho, if you dive deeper into hitboxes and true targets the reason this has occured is kinds obvious

[steep thistle]

Meanwhile we wait for the “future event and patches” the champion is not disabled from the pools. So you sre still earning money from a bugged champion, without clearing it anywhere @everyone

[sonic needle]

If we say rose aoe on ult is a 3x3

and a boss is a 7x7

Rose ult will target the very center of the 7x7 and as such the 3x3 never reaches anyone

thats where the issue comes from

[steep thistle]

Yes the problem mostly is hitboxes of boss, the answer of Gopneg is the big point of the issue

[sonic needle]

The only real fix for what ur wanting without expanding rose ult is to change where the true target is of said boss, but still is wonky to work with

[steep thistle]

The boss should be considered like a Single big tile, so all the surrounding where melee can hit it is the “around”

[sonic needle]

the doesnt make sense from a game dev perspective tho

you can havw something occupy a large amount of tiles, you canr just neatly join them all into 1

[steep thistle]

Yes, probably you are right, but considering they are adding a “proximity” mechanics, the problem must be adressed to the base, not on the single skill i guess

[sonic needle]

i think the easiest fix might be to change the true target within these larger enemies(rot/vortex) to be a tile within melee distance of our units. Animation changes may be required to compensate

[steep thistle]

That can be a fix for sure, just considering the melee range like the “around” should be the normality

[sonic needle]

So basically

Change true targets to be melee distance

or

Make her affect mapewide

Also fix her passive 😠

[steep thistle]

Is her passive bug confirmed ? Or we just drunk ?

I stopped using her obv, so didnt make any more try

[sonic needle]

I can 100% confirm from my end that with a buff she can miss fail the application of witches

mayne there is some niche thing such as certain buffa dont work idk.

[steep thistle]

I’m in doubt about the definition of buss, her enlightment buff is a type, the iceblast stacks are another, or the garius def stacking.
Are both considered buffs, or not ?

[sonic needle]

Unsure what she treats as buffs. That might be part of the issue, unsure.

[steep thistle]

I think she treats stuff like her enlightment up as buffs, so temporary one. That can be

[sacred falcon]

From my testing her passive works

You have to have a real buff on her, not one from an artefact or Phaessa

Then I never saw a resist for witches

Doesn't make it 100% chance of applying but it was never resisted

She had close to 0 accuracy and boss need over 120 but she landed it every time

[steep thistle]

So i guess stuff like, attack up, enlight up, temporary one works

[sacred falcon]

Yep

I was testing with Nathaniel who does Def up

Along with lots of HoT

[steep thistle]

It kinda makes sense because enlight up is a part of her kit

[sacred falcon]

Yeah but it rarely lasts long enough to help her Ult

Odd choice of duration

Haven't worked out why it sometimes is there at the right time but it's rare

[steep thistle]

^ @versed glacier i’d like to get a feedback about this, you should disable a bugged champion from being pulled, that’s even a worst part of the fraud if you are aware of the problem. @everyone

[exotic juniper]

This is still going on? What are they doing?

[steep thistle]

nothing

[sage idol]

I think the developer team will be back tomorrow from the holiday, then they may work on fixing the bug

[sonic needle]

i like ur optimism

[exotic juniper]

I hope so. I'm kinda excited to see their response. It'll most likely dictate how they'll deal with similar problems in the future. If they only reword her ultimate, I'm gonna be pretty annoyed.

[steady quarry]

This would probably be the type of response that would cause me to forever stop spending on the game.

Hopefully the devs and people interacting with this bug realize it's more than one champ not working properly. It's becoming a flagstone on how we can expect future service and how the game respects the money people spend.

[steep thistle]

Another 30 hours without any comment or information about this.

[steep thistle]

@everyone Still not a feedback in more than 48 hours, and not a fix in more than 12 days. The counting continue, i'm putting a 1star review everyday

[sonic needle]

Yknow the everyone ping doesnt work right?

[vernal dune]

So your solution is to change the skill description?

What about all those people who have invested MONEY in a character that, due to your absurd error in description or operation, does not work as it should?

It's unfortunate that you just blurt out a response like that and remain so calm...

[steep thistle]

ik, but last time i used it i got a tempestive answer, so everytime i use it hope in the same treatment 😂

[steep thistle]

Well they are calm coz they are making money, and not wasting it in trashcan heroes 😉

[sonic needle]

fair fai

[steep thistle]

But they keep being silent and steady

[steep thistle]

Would be really nice if you guys interacting with the post will actively influence the status of the topic, with some review and tickets on the stores. I think that's the only thing they listening and answering to

Like this

[vernal dune]

Sadly the only way to really make a disgruntled community listen is to bomb reviews.

It has already been seen in other games... Until massive 1* reviews have started to be seen, they have not taken action...

I don't know if anyone here remembers the famous Dracogate from Raid SL...

Also on Seven Deadly Sins Grand Cross... And many other games...

[steep thistle]

Yeah i was there with 7DS, that's what should happen at this point. Like 15 days without a proper answer or a fix on this it's a joke

[vernal dune]

The joke is the "answer". Change skill description...

It seems that they take their players for idiots...

[steep thistle]

imagine if that's the solution, they are taking 15 days to change a description.

[vernal dune]

What they really risk is that people will ask for a refund of the money spent through Google or Apple and they will have to give it to them for, effectively, scamming their consumers with a defective product...

[steep thistle]

That's what should happen to make things move

[vernal dune]

<@&928573207978594304> Is there going to be a clear answer regarding this? Or are you going to have your community waiting forever?

[steep thistle]

@vernal dune Seems like changing a description takes about 16 working day to

[sage idol]

<@&928573207978594304> , the code fix should be very simple, why would the dev not do it??

Pseudo code fix:

IF monster is a boss and its body occupies more than 1 tile, then:

For any ally occupying the row 1 tile in front of the monster, allow Rose's heal and dispel to work on that ally

[sonic needle]

🤔 weirdest fix ive ever heard of

[steady quarry]

Doesnt sound that weird, it does seem like it should affect the spaces adjacent to the bosses.

Most bosses dont move, so they could have the effect just check for specific spaces

[sonic needle]

But ur creating a bandaid fix that then needs to be applied to several things. Fixing the core issue is simpler.

This issue is also one that would have arisen at copper due to where the hit boxes were on that one.

[novel vortex]

We have forwarded your feedback to our development team again and have learned that due to the unique positioning of the Temporal Vortex boss, Rose indeed cannot heal her teammates. Our team will revisit the skill text and discuss potential optimizations to ensure it conveys the skill's actual effects more clearly and accurately.
🤦‍♂️

but literally: we will leave the hero useless, we will simply rewrite the description

[runic barn]

Refund the scrolls spent on her due to the deceptive initial description then, ideally not in 3 months? ... Login here everyday for the past two weeks to see if something moved is depressing.

[steep thistle]

@quasi tartan @west carbon @warm shale @main pawn Hello, someone working here?

[sacred falcon]

😞

[steep thistle]

Seems like the devs toke a christmas break of 20 days

[distant ingot]

Still no dev note about this?

[hexed solstice]

They offered to refund me scrolls for her but thats it. I thankfully do not have scrolls invested in her to have refunded though.

[sacred falcon]

How did you get that offer?

I fully scrolled her and very much regret that now

@hexed solstice

[hexed solstice]

Through celestie

The account that runs the pioneer club "support".

[sonic needle]

whale club 😈

[steep thistle]

So, they are answering somewhere?

This is the answer i guess

Will you see that they fix her after blessed banner? This is the real fraud

[hexed solstice]

The claim was that they would "consider re-wording her" and "rest assured she is working as intended"

[distant ingot]

This is such a bs response from them. Yes, she is working as intended. What is clearly NOT working as intended is what the game considers to be "around the random enemy", which would apply to more than just her. it's a fundamental issue with the game not recognizing squares that are clearly around an enemy as being around an enemy.

[hexed solstice]

I agree. I argued till I was blue in the fingers and they just don't see the issue. They argued the boss is working correctly, she is working as intended and outside of refunding scrolls they won't do anything. I have a +5 Rose I will not use because there's just better options for everything in game, and the one place she potentially REALLY had some value, they won't correct/fix.

[sacred falcon]

Well I’m deleting this game. Not just due to this but it’s a factor

[distant ingot]

This is going to cause issues in the future too, unless they never again release a legendary that only effects around an enemy. For example, does that mean that units like berengar - who only affect enemies around them (until max inspiration) - are also not working properly on larger enemies? I can't believe they're being so pig headed about this. I guess it'll take a massive chinese audience to complain for them to do anything about it.

[distant ingot]

The only way they'll care about it is if a lot of people start doing refunds...

[hexed solstice]

I asked to trade the duplicates for other legendary duplicates and I'd take the L on the first Rose summon and that was declined.

If you take each Rose summon at a value of pity, I have $1,050 worth of unusable character on my roster just from her.

App store review was changed to a 1⭐️ with an explanation. I won't be spending further on this game while this behavior is allowed from the Dev team and support staff.

[vernal dune]

And if there is no solution either, the next step is for all those who have spent money to get/improve Rose to request a refund of the money invested in their respective store...

Because when you spend REAL money, things should work just as advertised. And with Rose, it is not like that.

[steep thistle]

Are you a part of Pioneer club?

A review bomb of 1 stars should be done, they will listen to it. But people just don’t care about this devs behavior. And look at them, they are not even answering more here

[hexed solstice]

Yeah, thats who offered the refund of skill scrolls

[steep thistle]

Anyway, if they are not listening to u in the pioners club, and i think even others, there is no chance that they will adress this problem correctly. I'm out of this game after this

[distant ingot]

I won't be out of the game, but I sure as hell ain't spending another dime.

[runic barn]

Hi @versed glacier , happy new year.
Any update on this, please? The bug has been profusely reported over the last weeks - any advancement in the dev / product team regarding a fix or compensation?

[steep thistle]

They are just scammer and thief

[sage idol]

Hi <@&928573207978594304> , any update on Rose's "optimization"? When will that happen?

[white oracle]

I dont think they will optimize anything, after reading through this post they seem to feel like she is working as intended and will just update the wording on her ultimate. Can't say enough how disappointing that is but whatever.

[versed glacier]

Dear Travelers,
I completely understand your feelings, and we take this very seriously. Your feedback is of utmost importance to us, and we want to assure you that it has been conveyed to our development team. They are actively engaged in the process of enhancing the game, incorporating insights from the collective feedback provided by our player community.

Thank you for your valuable input, and we remain committed to delivering an optimized and enjoyable gaming experience. 💗

[distant ingot]

The issue here is: all we are aware of is that the devs know and are actively ignoring the issue - or claim the issue is "as intended". We genuinely can't believe that the devs actually thought this issue is intended, since it seems so illogical. We only know what has been forwarded by you and your team.

If the devs are actually working on it, all we need to know is that they are actively working on it - specifically that they are looking to resolve the issue with a benefit to the players (ie: fix all skills with this situational requirement - OR - change the skills that use this situational requirement to no longer use this situational requirement - all while providing compensation for affected players). One of the main issues is that this NEW -Legendary- hero is essentially/comparatively useless as is.

Saying that the devs are actively engaging in enhancing the game and incorporating insights is all well and good, but we are not asking for an enhancement or insight incorporation here. This is just a collective request to fix a unit. The longer this takes without any kind of positive dev response (ie: a statement stating: "we're working on it" - ideally with an ETA) the more upset affected users will be.

[steady quarry]

Exactly. What the devs plan to do is more important than knowing they are aware. Get some direction on how to actually reply to these requests please, it's clear you're not allowed to weigh in and this is all you can say. The company as a whole should have some idea on what they are going to do.

Until then it's going to cause disgruntled players, and people will quit or stop spending. And it's going to keep happening as more people reach Season 2 and realize the problem. It won't just go away, only the players will.

Hell, you have multiple content creators making specific videos about that. Have that ever happened for the game? No. People complained about Utior, they wished for more usefuless in some champs, but this one stands out. Your competitors, Raid Shadow Legends, would have fixed this or at least annouced a plan.

[steep thistle]

And here we go with another copy paste response that give us nothing 😂😂😂😂

[vernal dune]

Well guys, I think we have our response here #📢┆game-announcements

@versed glacier That announcement is a good way to spit on your players faces, good job

[steep thistle]

AHAAHAHAHAH THEY EVEN DO SKILL ANALYSIS WITHOUT EVEN SAY THE DESCRIPTION IS WRONG ahahahahahahahaha

@versed glacier You are literally stealing money from people with false advertise. I really hope someone on appstore and playstore read our feedback on ur behavior about this and ban ur game at this point.

[steady quarry]

Yea. This skill description still doesn't match what she does. Really shouldn't advertise her more for this, unless the plan is to fix the skill to actually heal and cleanse everyone adjacent to the bosses

[steady horizon]

And the best part is in that post in announcements they contradict what the passive even does.

The statement suggests she makes it so allies debuffs don’t get resisted. The passive says HER debuffs don’t get resisted.

Just added more fuel to the misinformation fire didn’t it?

[runic barn]

@versed glacier who do I have to talk to to get my 8 legendary scrolls refunded, please?

[zinc compass]

^same

[atomic reef]

Your bank, but you'll probably get banned 😅

[runic barn]

I want the scrolls back, not the $$ 🙂
Bank will be the very last resort.

[atomic reef]

Her ultimate heals as intended though does it not? It was player's miss reading of it that made them think it was broken. I don't think they'll replace scrolls for human error.

[vernal dune]

Because of course, we should all know that the Boss is not in melee range when the game does not indicate it anywhere, right? What a stupid comment

[atomic reef]

this doesn't work vs vortex as you're not around the boss, he's not even on the platform with you so he's not on an adjacent tile.

I agree it's poor and should be changed, but it's "technically" not wrong, so I can't see anything being refunded.

[vernal dune]

The Boss definitely IS in range when abilities that affect the adjacent square hit him, as in the case of heroes like Berengar

Not Berengar, sorry

This guy

If skills like that HIT the Boss, It's definitely in the adjacent tile

Also with melee range heroes

That thing about the Boss being far away is a stupid excuse

[atomic reef]

but they have an area of effect which is visible. The wording "around" is what makes it confusing, I'm not saying it doesn't need to be changed, I just don't think there's a viable case to request a refund.

[vernal dune]

Let them specify it somewhere then. They can't expect people to conclude that the area around the Boss is what they say it is if it doesn't say so anywhere...

[distant ingot]

Riddle me this, batman. How on gods green earth can melee units hit targets that they are not around, based on the way melee damage works?

[vernal dune]

As you can see, all the squares adjacent to the first row of heroes impact the Boss, the logical thing is that people think that everyone located there is affected by the effect of Rose ultimate

[atomic reef]

ignores sarcstic pleb

[distant ingot]

is that not a valid point? melee units need to be around their target to hit them

[atomic reef]

Again, I agree with it needing a change, I just can't see them refunding something when they can get off with a technicality.

[vernal dune]

When people start seriously with the review bombing and refunds, we'll see

The problem has just begun, with only a few servers in season two

When more and more people arrive and realize this, after having invested either money or saved resources

The snowball will only get bigger and bigger.

[atomic reef]

You'd like to think people arriving late to season 2 will have read up on things and realised not to use scrolls on Rose, even though she's still fantastic without her healing working as expected.

[distant ingot]

Fantastic is quite the upsell. she's a meh epic at best for damage and attack down..

[atomic reef]

Full map coverage, up to 10 hits with big damage and Atk Down 2
AoE Recharge Penalty with decent damage
Doesn't require accuracy so long as she's buffed, and genberally Rally units are always buffed. Pretty great imo.

[vernal dune]

I don't argue that Rose is good or not at this moment. What is being claimed here is that a hero does not function as his ability description says he does.

And there are people who have spent resources saved for weeks or real money to improve it based on that.

And the only answer received is that the Boss hitbox is not all the tiles it covers but the central point...

[atomic reef]

Yeah I don't disagree with that, it's just the technical wording of it doesn't essentially mean it will work as simply as a standard melee, in an adjacent tile would work.

[vernal dune]

When nowhere in the game does it specify that...

That is why the FAIREST thing would be for them to return, at a minimum, the scrolls that people have invested in a character that does NOT work as it should....

Whoever likes Rose like that, put them back on. And who doesn't, well she has her scrolls... I don't know what the problem is...

[atomic reef]

This could literally be the issue they're trying to solve, as it's off the platform, idk how the Ult works vs other dungeon bosses though?

Also "around" could mean specifically either side or behind the enemy, which is why it doesn't work as simply as being in melee range

[distant ingot]

1. pretty sure thats up to 6 spellcastings total, so 6, not 10
2. full map coverage on random, so only really efficient on a single big boss - which she can't use half her kit on

She can be used to effectively inflict attack down and deal some damage. thats it. most other legendaries do 4-5 different things, or are the best at whatever they specialize in.

[vernal dune]

If I don't say that's wrong... If that's the mechanics they want it to have, it seems legal to me. But the game doesn't mention anything about that anywhere...

[distant ingot]

that would still include at least the 4 squares directly around any particular enemy which is included in melee range

[vernal dune]

And that is only their fault, I don't know about the players.

[atomic reef]

Personally I read that as an additional 6, on top of the og 4, could be wrong though.

[distant ingot]

They never said it was an issue they're looking to resolve. they said it's working as intended. the what doesn't make sense.

[distant ingot]

I read it that way initially too, but reading the first part "casts 4 times" tells me otherwise.

[vernal dune]

It's okay if it actually works the way they want it to. The problem is that they refuse to return the scrolls to people who thought it worked as the description indicates

[atomic reef]

I'd assume all these front line tiles are "in front" of the boss .. and "around" would be the unavailable tiles left, right or behind the boss

[distant ingot]

this is a problem, but also they need to make it clear on the spell description. this is not the only unit with this kind of wording, or using the word "around". Berengar is also "around" him - and now i'm not sure his passive actually works on the tempest boss. if it doesn, then rose doesn't make sense again.

[atomic reef]

Again, I'd say that's human error due to assumption as this is the only skill in the game afaik that specifically states "around" an enemy .. rather than having a visible aoe grid or stating "in range"

[vernal dune]

Yup, a human error made by them.

[atomic reef]

We'll just agree to disagree. I don't do petty circles.

[vernal dune]

It seems correct to me, since defending the indefensible goes nowhere.

[sonic needle]

Another day, another rose arguement, startin 2024 well 🎉

[steady quarry]

This doesn't line up with the definition of around:
adverb
1.
located or situated on every side.

Also, they have some champions that already have language of 'to the side', one of the new Burn champs have that wording and was released at the same time.

[atomic reef]

Fair enough,

plenty of typos on their end though, but if that's the case then yes, they've made a mistake.

[steady horizon]

The issue here is simple. Let’s ignore the wording since I’m sure we can all agree it’s worded poorly. Let’s look at how the skill operates and the inconsistency of its operation. If I have an enemy that occupies 1 grid square(by indication a 5ft square according to their D&D mechanics emulation) when her skill hits it heals all allies in the 8 surrounding squares unless they occupy a square on the outer edge of the grid. At that point it hits the 3 squares on the front and 1 on each side. This would indicate the skill hits the middle square and radiates outward. Now we move to boss fights like the fire/frost domain. If it hits the boss it seems to heal the square directly in front but not the two diagonal. This does not follow the same rules as the previous example. You can argue that in those cases the boss has a larger area in which it occupies, But that doesn’t make sense because if the boss occupies a 4 to 9 square grid placement the radiating heal should still hit more than the front box or not hit anything in front of it at all. Now we look at the vortex boss.

The skill, based on previous examples, suggests it hits 1 grid square. Let’s suggest the boss occupies 9 squares and the skill hits the middle. This might account for it not healing anyone in melee range but still does not line up with the other bosses. On a side note… the harpy heals all melee occupying the 3 squares directly in front of it….. again inconsistent with other bosses. TLDR: the mechanics of the skill do not operate on a logical or consistent basis regardless of how it is worded and in most areas the heal seems to radiate on a 9 grid square radius. In boss fights in sometimes operates on a 9 square radius and others a + radius. On the vortex it doesn’t radiate at all and thus only makes it frustrating and likely bugged.

[sonic needle]

its a feature

[hexed solstice]

I appreciate that they found this appropriate to post while not working as worded

[steady horizon]

I mentioned that above. Even that post says her passive skill ensures enemies can’t resist debuffs if her buffed allies where her skill specifically says it’s from her own debuffs while she is buffed.

[distant ingot]

it's a comedy of errors

[steady horizon]

So I guess that raises the follow up question…. Is her passive working as intended because that official post suggests it’s not….. 😛

[distant ingot]

I no longer know what "intended" means for her.

[atomic reef]

tbh they just need to change the wording and how it actually functions to just heal any hero within melee distance imo

[exotic juniper]

Can't believe this is still going on... Why are they doing such a poor job. It would generate a lot of good will if they're just change her abilities and admit they worded her skills poorly...

[distant ingot]

thats all many of us are asking for tbh

[steep thistle]

We should all leave review on appstore and playstore like this, maybe with a review bomb they will listen

[sonic needle]

oddly suprised this thread hasnt been locked/deleted

[vernal dune]

They don't even bother to respond... That's the importance they give us...

[distant ingot]

Still waiting...

[devout rock]

Yes, it's nearly been a month now since the issue was officially raised.. They've run a rose selective banner, nothing. Vortex now has defense break, nothing. World bosses are arriving this week, nothing. We need to know what is happening to this hero so we know what to spend our limited resources on. For a 3 month seasonal game, taking 1 month to address a huge unit issue is really 💩 Give us a recall or fix Rose.

[sage idol]

If they don't fix Rose, then at least change the bosses to occupy at most 1 tile, so that Rose's heal and dispel will work

[steep thistle]

I lost any faith in this game and devs after their response to this issue. And i still see not enought negative review on the store about this problem

[sonic needle]

guys i justgot rose, is she good?

[distant ingot]

Boys, we got another one xD

[runic barn]

Tldr: atm Rose is trash with ulti bugged against vortex and other bosses, inconsistent with description. The issue's been widely reported nearly a month ago, team said something along "works as intended"... Not worth investing in Rose unless he ulti in boss fights gets fixed or reworked.

[distant ingot]

tldr:tldr: not right now, maybe later.

[runic barn]

Tldr:tldr:tldr: no

[tight yoke]

Just read this. What damn horrible stupidity. The reason given by dev is the vortex boss is far away so the heal of Rose can't reach???? But if so, then WHY CAN MELEE HEROES EVEN HIT HIM???

[bleak fulcrum]

Long weapon

[distant ingot]

Welcome to the club! We get together on Tuesdays and Thursdays for cookies.

[trail matrix]

Hello guys. I can’t create post, writing here. I haven't been able to launch the game since yesterday. It says that you need to check your network or connect to another. I'm fine with the Internet. error code 66007. What to do? Sorry for my bad English)

[sonic needle]

begone thot

[devout rock]

maybe choose a bug report where they actually respond...

[tight yoke]

So are we all gonna just accept that answer? Either fix Rose or refund us.

[trail matrix]

Rebooting the device helped

[distant ingot]

no. thats why we all keep checking back. players get to this part of the problem at different times because of the seasons, so more people will know about it later.

[topaz valve]

they have really long weapons!

[vernal dune]

Usha drawing her swords to attack

[vernal dune]

My proposal is to continue opening new threads on this matter to make this problem visible

Since they don't respond to this...

[tight yoke]

For newcomers to this bug report who tldr: I just need to refresh this official reply from the dev. One of the biggest insults to players intelligence ever. They say the Vortex boss is too far away from the heroes, so Roses ranged heal cant reach them.....and yet as we all know, Melee heroes can hit the boss.
Isn't it common sense that melee=close range....

[runic barn]

Dev team looks absolutely clueless... It seems that in their heads, chargebacks and review bombings are better than fixing their fudging mistake's consequences.
I'll start taking action from tomorrow on, depending on if the support I'm in touch with in DM dares to copy-paste the same freaking message praising my "patience, support and love for the game". I've got none of these anymore.

Just read that Rose would be removed from the game, anyone heard something about this?

[exotic juniper]

They don't care. They can fix whatever they want, they just fixed Journ.

[distant ingot]

Where did you read that?

we better get legendary selector for each copy we pulled of her, along with invested scrolls back.

if that's the case

[sonic needle]

best i can do is 3 dice

[distant ingot]

purple

[steep thistle]

@quasi tartan @west carbon @main pawn @versed glacier @vivid chasm @rugged valley Hello?

[vernal dune]

That will never happen and would be absolutely broken

Let's be consistent... Let's not want unreal things

Without a doubt, the most balanced thing would be for them to give an imprint for artifacts for each copy of her

although that's not going to happen either

[exotic juniper]

Nothing will happen. In their mind nothing is wrong. They only made this thread so we wouldn't spam other channels.

[sonic needle]

timeto spamother channels

[true warren]

I finally read through this thread and yeah, it's completely frustrating. We should at least be able to fully reset her and get books back. At least give the community a FREE Oblivion scroll to reset skills and get the scrolls back. The second I pulled her on day 1 of the season, I booked her because she sounded perfect for many situations, mainly Vortex & Rot; the 2 areas she cannot work in because "the bosses are too big/far away". This literally makes no sense if melee heroes can hit them.

[white oracle]

Maybe they will actually do something if more of the content creators chime in. Feels like they have ignored and overlooked most of this thread unfortunately.

[distant ingot]

Most of them made videos about Rose already 2-3 weeks ago - at least all of the ones I watch.

[white oracle]

True, but its the first time I have seen them make any noise in here.

[distant ingot]

Keep in mind, you responded to my reponse to the potential of them completely removing Rose in her entirety. If the devs remove a legendary from those who pulled her, those affected should all expect a legendary in return. I doubt they'll actually remove rose.

[steep thistle]

If u guys want to be far more upset, i heard from guys in the Pioner club, the subdiscord/group of whales and kraken with devs aswell, that they talk about this issue aswell, and to them is given the option to get all the scroll back. Google in this thread was one of them. So not only we are left without any single response, we are even threated like B customers

[sonic needle]

that was literally posted in this thread

[sonic needle]

mentioned through pioneer club

[topaz sierra]

Give us an answer! Take some stance!

[steady horizon]

Heh seems this club keeps expanding. My brother and I send screen shots of the hero’s we summon epic and legendary wise. The other day he joined our little club of flower friends :P. I laughed… what can I say?

[steep thistle]

Use ur 1 star review on appstore, playstore and steam x2

[tight yoke]

🎶Rose can't work they say.
Because the boss is far away.
But you can hit him with melee.
And now we won't just go away 🎵🎶

[sage idol]

There are many ways to fix this issue, but ultimately we want Rose's Ultimate skill to fully work on ANY boss. If dev doesn't want to fix Rose, fine, then fix ALL the bosses, so that Rose's Ultimate skill will work as expected by us the players

[azure bronze]

/sigh

[exotic juniper]

Everytime I look in this thread I get depressed. A constant reminder that they don't care

[tight yoke]

A constant reminder not to spend a single cent.

Play for free

[vernal dune]

.

[zinc lion]

f2p after watching this

[runic barn]

🫡

[fading gale]

stop crying boss is far away as you can see!!!!

[true warren]

omg he's SO far away that we can't hit him with a sword! You're right.

..oh wait.

[fading gale]

they are just mocking us at this point

[steep thistle]

They created this like a ghetto. We just check this thread over and over and keep talking about this here, and not in other channels, hoping we will ever get a compensation or a fix to this issue.

But i think we will never get, i'm gonna be f2p from the moment this issue came out, they lost some money, hope u guys will do the same and leave negative review everywhere possibler

@true warren Specially you as a content creator

[sonic needle]

Guys i just got rose, is she any good?

[distant ingot]

lol.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Maybe in the future.
Longer answer: read this thread.

[sonic needle]

🤔

[distant ingot]

she's bugged and the devs aren't prioritizing fixing her (or really giving any real indication that they'll work on her at all)

[sonic needle]

🤔

[distant ingot]

only reason i still have hope is because season 2 has been so bad with bugs that I can honestly assume they really just don't have time for Rose yet, since the change they would need to make is likely a problem with a fundamental combat system (they should really just change it to an AOE heal, but that's unlikely to happen too).

[bleak fulcrum]

Boi, he trolled

[distant ingot]

RIP me. it's not the first time either, lol.

[exotic juniper]

She's a ranged radiance doing atk pen down. That's about it

[exotic juniper]

They have the time and it's an easy fix as well tbh. They fixed Journ the same day. It's just that in their mind Rose is working as intended.

But there has been quite a few bugs. I hope they hire a few more devs tbh.

[tight yoke]

They aint hiring nothin. In fact their parent company had massive layoffs last December.

[true warren]

the devs are SGRA, Nuverse is Publisher owned by Bytedance. That's not going to effect "the devs". Someone else will just become publisher when the time comes

[tight yoke]

Ok. Thanks for clarifying 👍

[hexed solstice]

Went to burn my saved summons for Ardeth event, already have a +5 Rose. Cant make this up.

[tight yoke]

No way dude

[exotic juniper]

No way! Damn...

Might as well give you the middle finger :p

[hexed solstice]

I now have $1,400 (pity value) worth of an absolutely unplayable character. I would like everyone to keep this in consideration when spending on this game as this is where you could end up.

I have stuck to not spending an additional penny since the update of the conversation I had with the pioneer club, I hope the others claiming to do the same have as well. They quite frankly aren't deserving of it at this point.

[steep thistle]

Can you give us a feedback about ur conversation in the Pioneer Club? Because here we are getting 0 answer from this useless devs

[hexed solstice]

They offered to unscroll her, but she's unscrolled. I asked to trade the dupes for other dupes to which they refused.

I asked if they are planning on fixing her and they stated she is working as intended. I brought up everything in this thread, repeatedly and it was ignored, while they just reiterated she is working as intended and that they are considering re-wording her. They stated that there is nothing wrong with the vortex boss or how her ability works with the vortex boss.

I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but may be wrong. That is the gist of the convo though.

[steep thistle]

Thank you, they for sure lost my money for this, but thats not much. I hope u cal talk in the pioneer club with other whales and consider them making some action with u too.

[hexed solstice]

It's a 1:1 chat and not a group chat so idk who else has access.

[runic barn]

Thank you for the reminder not to spend any $ on this game until the issue is acknowledged and fixed. Rewording takes 5 mins and should have been done many weeks ago, but it doesn't do anything for us who have been and are being fooled with each passing day. In a competitve game, losing 8 kegendary scroll has an impact.
I've never been a big spender, but as a matter of principle I've been sticking to this rule since this issue aRose 😉

[sonic needle]

guys i want you all to know, rose is so good and you guys are delusional

when i added her to my vortex team i gained a staggering negative 20m dmg

[distant ingot]

Lol

@versed glacier Are there any updates from the Dev team? Are they really just ignoring this issue that's clearly an oversight on their part?

[tight yoke]

Option B: Ignoring

[main pawn]

Dear guys,
Devs are planning to adjust the ultimate of Rose. Please wait for the updates. Thank you so much!

[distant ingot]

Thank you for this reply!

[steep thistle]

Brb in season 3 for the update

[sage idol]

The code fix should be very simple, 2hr to fix the code, 2hr to unit test, and 4hr for QA testing should suffice.

[hexed solstice]

26 days later, celestie account messaged me to tell me they are "optimizing roses ultimate ability". Unfortunately I haven't logged in for 3 days and plan to stay quit.

[distant ingot]

It is late for sure... i'm glad they (the devs) finally answered though. Hope to see you in a future game!

i'll keep playing for now. the seasonal system still intrigues me

[steep thistle]

I'm with you aswell, the devs show their really interest in fixing known bug. If the bug bring u money ---> don't fix it, or just delay it infinite time
The bug make u lose money ----> Instant fix and apology, like the continental boss Jorn

[sage idol]

C'mon @hexed solstice , come back to the game and get Ardreth! In this game, at least if you are persistent, most of the time you can get the devs to fix the issues.

[boreal drift]

Thats actually true! BTW i see a great dynamic change from the company to give responses and feedback to the community and content creators.
I wouldn’t be surprised if these trends will continue to go with much more response and activity from the company towards players and content creators.

[steep thistle]

We still remember that this has benn said on a bug report 30 days long without a fix still ? And just a promise, like 20 days ago of some update on Rose ultimate?

[pure bridge]

dang just found this thread, lmao.
no wonder sometimes i just feels "tf rose did to do this bad in this game? she only asks me quizzes for daily"

is she fixed yet? or buffed?

[distant ingot]

not yet. we'll probably get an announcement when it happens. not sure when itll happen. we're just happy they (the devs) responded.

[steep thistle]

Happy? Why should we be happy for a 30 days late response that is not a fix but just a " maybe" future fix. We should be happe after something real happen, not just because we got an hello from a dev that are not doing their job

[vernal dune]

We had a no. Now we have a yes, of course we are happy.

We can all make mistakes and the important thing is that, at last, they have recognized it and agreed to change it.

Would it have been better to do it earlier with such an obvious reason? Of course, but it's never too late if the joy is good

[steep thistle]

What about an epic selector chest to the people that got Rose and have to wait so long for this bug to be fixed? ❤️

[distant ingot]

That would be amazing, but also useless to whales (who are likely the ones that cause the Devs to move on this)

[steady horizon]

The q&a that was just released as well as a response in another rose complaint post seem to suggest they are actually changing the mechanic. That’s a positive assuming they actually make it better.

[steep thistle]

Another Rose issue with zhorak, this devs never learn and we still waiting for Rose ultimate bug fix, imagine. Not a roadmap or a timeline for the announced fixes. @main pawn. Can you please keep in touch with ur comunity?

[tawdry frigate]

Travelers, regarding the adjustment of Rose's skills, we anticipate that it will be implemented in tomorrow's update. At that time, you can proceed to reconfirm the skill descriptions and effects for Rose.

[main pawn]

Reported

[tight yoke]

Woah so finally tomorrow's the day Rose gets fixed huh.
Thanks for the update, can't wait to log on tomorrow.

[tight yoke]

Well guys, i just tested it and Rose finally works. Although the range is a bit weird, the heal/dispel only hits the front/left most heroes. I'll have to experiment more with the positioning.

[devout rock]

you know if it heals multiple times based on per 100 extra enlightenment

[devout rock]

also, it should heal the two lowest hp heroes as the description states right..

[tight yoke]

Yes but it's just my observation that she prefers to heal the left before the right. Its not scientific, since I can't compute who has the lowest hp during combat.

But i guess the solution is simply to max her enlightenment gear as you said.

[sonic needle]

you can easily test this tho?

[tight yoke]

Yes

Hence i said in my original statement i need to experiment more. but the initial good news is that it finally works.

https://tenor.com/view/so-salty-salt-bae-bitter-jealous-angry-gif-17584364

[pure bridge]

but is it good now?

[weary bear]

No, they could have made her take the weakening off all of them and then cure them, but for some reason they decided that two would be enough for the legendary hero! Before rebalancing, my damage to Neptune was 20.2 kk and became 21kk) not much

[novel vortex]

@main pawn @tawdry frigate @versed glacier
a new day, a new bug report for Rose.
Ultimate skill heals 2 allies with the lowest MAXIMUM HP

[tawdry frigate]

Travler, please check the new description for Rose's Ultimate skill. When Rose casts an ultimate skill, heals 2 allies with the lowest Current HP.

[vernal dune]

So finally you have laughed in the faces of all your players

Well done

[pure bridge]

well at least she's good when it comes to grave of rot

[vernal dune]

Well, I think this goes beyond whether the character is good or not. It's not my case, but there are people here who have invested a lot of resources in improving a character that didn't work as his abilities said she did.

After much fighting, we managed to get the go-ahead and fix the problem. Without a doubt giving hope to the players that, this time, it will work as it should. Well no...

Is Rose viable and is she a good champion? I don't dispute it, it seems that way to me.

But it's certainly not what was implied when it came out... And that's why many people decided to spend resources on her.

[marsh knot]

That is, in a situation where two tanks have lost 70k hp each out of 100k hp, Rose will heal two 100% healthy range DPS, just because their current health is equal to their max health and less than 30k hp. Nice

Why can't you use the percentage of current hp instead of the absolute value of current hp?

[tight yoke]

That's no good either. Because then the tank will always get healed rather than the dps, because tanks usually get hit/hurt the most.

I guess the most we can do is really just max her enlightenment so she spams more.

[distant ingot]

in most situations, you'd only have 1 hp tank, so her skill will probably be more useful than it was before.

[marsh knot]

In most situations, range dps has the least amount of hp. And they will be needlessly healed at full health until the rest of the team's health drops to their level

And I've already tried Rose in combat and I know what it looks like.

[alpine terrace]

It's a good thing I didn't waste scrolls on that character. Your game designers are inept.

[tight yoke]

What you're saying is definitely true. But i prefer this way rather than % of hp. Because then it would just heal tanks. But in vortex/rot/dragons, the bosses hit all heroes anyway, so I rather the softy dps get more priority.

[steel knoll]

But the point is, as I understand it, that now she heals heroes that are at full HP while tank is dying. That does not sound a way to go.

[vernal dune]

If only they left it the way they SHOULD have left it, it would have been easier and would have caused less problems...

Healing everyone just as THE DESCRIPTION said

[distant ingot]

gonna be honest, i read that in an opposite way (as if you were implying the tanks would be healed). the only solution i can think of is to ensure all units have some reasonable (40-50k+) amount of HP, but thats probably not optimal for most situations.

[novel vortex]

he problem is completely different, it does not remove penalties from the tank and other fatter characters

[distant ingot]

in conclusion, she has changed from a unit that a small percentage of people use because of her tank healing in non-boss stages, to a unit that doesn't even do that effectively. useful in VERY niche situations. But at least the description matches the unit this time.

i didn't check her inspirations. did they change those?

[blazing flume]

Yeah, the game is not consistent on their HP nomenclature. In some cases they use Lowest HP Percentage (Monelisse set) and some just Lowest HP (Zhar’Loth and Estella seemed to be percentage based), but I think Lowest HP should be nominal (among damaged units) and Lowest HP Percentage should be the percentage if they want to have both, otherwise the other cases of Lowest HP on characters seem to be percentage based

[idle flicker]

Okay I tested Rose and Voresh in Curse multiple times.

Rose heals the lowest CURRENT hp, whether they are damaged or not.

Voresh heals the lowest CURRENTLY DAMAGED hp (So, lowest % health)

To clarify:

Beldelle has 50000 health and is undamaged
Rose has 45000 Health and is undamaged
Voresh has 54000 Health and is undamaged
Garius has 58000 / 70000 health and is damaged

Voresh heals Garius
Rose heals Rose and Beldelle

@tawdry frigate @main pawn

Both descriptions read the same in the skills on the english version, as attached in this message. Is there a way to code Rose's heal from her ultimate skill to work like Voresh's passive skill? I think this would make people happy.

[sonic needle]

Have u tested if its just because garius is the only damaged one?

Generally most healing skills will target and heal the lowest flat hp unit aslong as their not max hp, nothing to do with %s.

It may be rose just doesnt check if their full hp or not

[idle flicker]

Literally what I tested. Garius would be down HP, but she would still heal the other two while they are full hp.

Let me see if i can replicate it clearly in another dungeon.

Hang on im being a perfectionist about this.

There we go

Zero heals at Garius

Still none

Garius with 103k, Rose 53k, Shin 27k. Garius is the only one taking any damage.

@sonic needle

Yea dude voresh is healing Garius this entire time and Rose just heals the bottom two lowest max hp.

[blazing flume]

Interestingly enough, Estella has the same wording as both Voresh and Rose and will heal the lowest HP (based on actual HP, not % HP remaining), but does skip the full health one and will heal a damaged but higher HO one rather than a full health one

[idle flicker]

Yea I think its just a coding swap, I forgot that Estella exists tbh, cause shes so bad.

[blazing flume]

Yeah, had to use her in S1 because it was only her and Meggan that had any heals in Ice/Necro last season (well, did use Thia and didn’t realize Uloar could heal, but lacking in actual healers)

[sonic needle]

what im saying is you need to test with other units damaged

as pointed out with estella, it might be that rose just doesnt have a check in her kit to prevent her healing already full hp units

[idle flicker]

Isn't that pointless?

[sonic needle]

... lol

Making claims and pinging the devs without proper testing?

isnt that pointless?

If you really want to see rose fixed, find out where the issue lies and create tests to prove said theory.

Dont just see its broken, take a stab in the dark, and ping devs coz it doesnt work how u dont want it to

[idle flicker]

I just did.

Good luck out there.

[errant yacht]

She is actually better than her original text

she originally could heal only melee units that are around the taret she hits

now she has potential to heal/cleanse multiple heroe sincluding ones that are in backline like this for example

she healed/cleansed 4 targets which could not be possible with her old kit

[idle flicker]

Oh yea not saying its not an improvement from the original, its just not healing like Voresh, which I think is what people would prefer.

[errant yacht]

then she would only heal the tank , not ideal in all situation so im not sure

[idle flicker]

Clarity and all. On my end? I have zero use for her outside of attack down vs Journ.

[main pawn]

Regarding the abnormal target selection issue with Rose's skill, the problem has been identified and is currently being fixed. Additionally, the correct effect is to heal the 2 targets with the lowest percentage of current health, rather than the lowest absolute health value.

[distant ingot]

appreciate the clarification!

[main pawn]

You are welcome

[alpine terrace]

Cyrily's kit bonus and Rally will now prevent Rose from applying a debuff?

That is, now her passive skill is triggered only by the buff from her battle skill?

[novel vortex]

It didn't seem to work before either.
except that goblins were always fined, without accuracy

[alpine terrace]

everything was working yesterday