#Otherwordly lvl 5 domains too hard. NERF PLEASE

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rapid rampart
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As the title states, the otherwordly lvl 5 domains need to get nerfed as even with buffs from the event i'm having an extremely hard time to do. To be honest it's not that the lvl 5 domains are hard per se, but it's more because of specific enemy heroes it consists of

let's take the necrosis domain for example:
Wave 1: Questa(jumper)
Wave 2: Shagrol(jumper)
Wave 3: Shagrol(jumper)

how the hell am I even gonna handle all these jumpers wrecking my back line while also having to deal with other ranged enemies that deal a lot of damage ? IT'S JUST TOO MUCH. Please lower the difficulty of all lvl 5 domains or just remove these annoying heroes

keen hedge
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The difficulty is fine. They are lvl 210 after all. I would even say, they are damn too easy for their levels. Try the lvl 210 ones in fey and you would understand.

rapid rampart
proper tangle
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Most of those jumpers are based around lowest current HP. It's fairly easy to counter, just make sure you are building your atk champions with higher HP then a backline tank support. You can also get away with going pure defense on the tank and having your offense champions higher health then your tank without sacrificing very many offensive stats. It should make the domain alot easier for you if you give that a try.

I'm not trying to say you're wrong that it can feel difficult, but once you get the strategy down I'm confident you'll blow right through it.

rapid rampart
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they've also got too much hp and def although they're lvl 210

proper tangle
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Just out of curiosity, what's your lineup that you're using?

rapid rampart
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i tried everything man. i even tried MC, tamar, zhar'loth, heksandra and frurbath to just keep them CC'd you know

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although it works and gets me somewhere it still ain't enough

proper tangle
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Do you not have a way to get the 5 affinity bonus on necrosis domain?

rapid rampart
proper tangle
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Just the regular 5 man bonus in the ice/necrosis affinity tree

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That 15% damage reduction you get from the last tier is massive

rapid rampart
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yeah that ice/necrosis bonus is also in the necrosis domain

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but my cold/necrosis ain't looking too hot

proper tangle
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Yeah, you deffinetly could use a few more built out characters in that department. Rava is really good for dps there. You should deffinetly work on him, he'll help alot in the needing damage department. He's really a legendary in epic form imo. He's amazing.

I guess the big question then is, is your elemental affinity built out in your elemental power page for ice/necrosis or are you invested into the other 2?

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If i were you, I would run Voresh, Zhar'loth, Rava, Deverick, and unfortunately the tanks suck in the necrosis/ice category, you could probably get away with fitz

rapid rampart
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what's with people and genderization problems ? 🤣 i'm on stew's discord server and there's a guy that always mixes genders 🤣 rava is a she

proper tangle
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my bad XD

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I wouldn't worry too much about booking them out, you should be able to get by without booking anyone. Im assuming you probably have voresh, zhar'loth and fitz booked already. so you should be able to get away with that comp, and get that 5 elemental affinity bonus going on top of that domain bonus and it will help alot

rapid rampart
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this is my affinity tree. as you can see i went head's deep into fire/poison and now going head's deep into lightning/radiance

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at 1st i was going with head's deep into ice/necrosis because i really wanted hvitar, elecebre and vinyara but then i came into realization and i was like........."yeah i won't get those heroes to really utilize the bonus" and so i stopped

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proper tangle
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Yeah that's abit of a toughy, the domains are a lot harder when you dont have 5 elemental affinity bonus's if I'm being honest. The good news is, chaos shadows will be your biggest points generator when it comes to expedition points.

If you're clearing stage 4 though with that little invested into frost then you're doing pretty damn good in the long run of things. You should be getting elemental affinity points pretty fast over the next coming days, i would try investing some more into frost and finish building out a 5 man roster if you're really intent on finishing that level 5 domain on the necrosis side

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at the very least, get the extra damage bonus in frost and you'll find that once you put a solid 5 man team down it will just feel alot easier

rapid rampart
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don't get me wrong man. i do have a full fire/poison team for that 5-man affinity bonus but necrosis domain is the worst one with like i said too many jumpers. 1st wave vs questa, as i said i found a way where she won't ever jump to backline so i got that covered, but then in 2nd wave there's shagrol that will jump to my backline and the same formation used to combat 1st wave is not good for 2nd wave because then zadok and tioh will rip me a new one

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i got the ice elemental domain down though. took me a couple of tries in manual but i managed. i think that's the easiest and i was able to beat it just before the timer ran out

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but necrosis and fire domain ? ouch on a whole other lvl

proper tangle
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you mean you got the lightning domain down?

rapid rampart
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and as i said it's not that it's hard but rather the combination of enemies found within those domains

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there's no lightning domain in the otherwordly event

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there's only necro, fire and ice domain

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necro = scharlach boss
fire = khrysos boss
ice = trollgar boss

proper tangle
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I see what you mean, derp on my part. I keep thinking of them as they're counterparts, so fire is light/radiance

rapid rampart
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yep

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ice domain is fire/poison

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and necro domain is cold/necrosis

proper tangle
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for fire and ice domain, you have both of those trees fully built out. im assuming you have 5 man teams for those as well right?\

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that use 5 team elemental affinities

rapid rampart
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lightning/radiance isn't fully built out

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i'm working on it though

proper tangle
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right, but you do have alot more points into those

rapid rampart
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besides i don't really have a lightning/radiance tank

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only bionphray which i gave him my horrus tank gear, which is the best tank gear btw, and he only gets 3k def cause he's not a tank but rather dps

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sadly i don't have garius

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my horrus has 4.5k def with his own set

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and that same set only gives bionphray 3k 🤣

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cause bionphray's base def is dog water

proper tangle
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don't you think theres a correlation even off of your own completed domains vs the necrosis one that's based around your elemental affinity tree? If i'm being honest, if you have an underdeveloped lightning/radiance tree then dane or hegio will almost 1 shot your dps if you're not using 5 team affinity bonus's. Now, with the alliance buff it's alot easier now but on the first day that fire domain was absolutely frustrating. Same problem that you're having in Necrosis. I had to put extra defensives on my dps chars. But the thing is, in the comp that you are using you essentially only have 1 dps that's collecting the bonus. You don't have room to put extra defensive stats on your character because it's such an off-kilter setup. So I think if you maybe develop that team to be abit more suited then you can use different gear to make that fight alot easier. But you really gotta fix that core problem of not having a proper necrosis domain team built yet.

rapid rampart
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alliance buffs don't do crap anything 🤣 i have all 3 of hp, atk and def of 15% and they're still not enough. even with a full fire/poison team in necro domain. i didn't understand your 1st bit of your post

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and yeah in fire domain, that dane really hurts

rapid rampart
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@proper tangle like i gave necro stage 5 another go with full poison/fire team and guess what, i somehow managed to pass the 2nd wave

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BUT GUESS ALSO WHAT

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then boss wave, there's questa AND shagrol AGAIN

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and then shagrol together with the boss's ulti they ripped my backline a new one

rapid rampart
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@proper tangle HOLY CRAP I FINALLY DID IT after going through 2hrs of PAIN

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3 seconds was left remaining

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BUT still having cleared it, stages 5 are way way and way buffed more than they should be

proper tangle
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Lmao, i'm not gonna lie. I'm amazed you actually cleared it with that team, you're totally gimping yourself XD

rapid rampart
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they literally need to be toned down a notch or 2

rapid rampart
proper tangle
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the domains are meant to be cleared with the corresponding domain bonus. That's why it's taking you so long, it takes me roughly 30-40 seconds to clear a full domain

rapid rampart
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not entirely true, especially in the case of whales

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or if you've got an extremely well built philto, he'll easily rip them all a new one

proper tangle
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well, i'm happy you got it done, congrats!

rapid rampart
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that doesn't change the fact that stages 5 of these domains are wayyyy too overtuned

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and need a nerf

proper tangle
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I think you should post this as a new challenge for the community. How fast can you clear elemental domain otherwordlies without using the corresponding bonus without legendaries. That's an achievement in itself.

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@frozen apex Make this a community challenge!

frozen apex
proper tangle
frozen apex
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not that simple 😉

rapid rampart
frozen apex
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But it's the alliance bonuses that are MASSIVE impact on that; anyone can get those bonus by putting the right team, but a maxed out alliance is less "relatable"

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I do agree domain 5's are too hard. I can BARELY do them with an OP Wild team + legendary support like Oggok

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and that's with a maxed out alliance bonus

proper tangle
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Hmmmmm, I'm not gonna lie, I used adolphus, Sigrid, Khrysos, Vicuc, Dane and just auto'd the whole thing. Khyrsos is rediculously strong though. Then Garius, sutha, garret, ihucatl, Iola for the other one and that one is just auto as well. My ice team hasn't done it yet because i've been focusing on chaos shadows but im using Trolgar, Losenia, Dolbam, Thia, Voresh

rapid rampart
frozen apex
rapid rampart
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yeah but having maxed out alliance bonuses is something that you'll get at like the last 3-5 days of the event

frozen apex
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lol depends on alliance; i've been maxed out for days...

rapid rampart
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meaning that during the early days of the event you're gonna be missing on alot of points

rapid rampart
frozen apex
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that's why i said it; maxed out alliance bonuses less relatable

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cc's making videos on rare/epic teams but we have maxed out alliance bonuses

rapid rampart
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like with these kinda events you gotta think about all people in general. like for instance, i have no idea why the domains are that hard. like does it effect anything if they made them easier ? it's not like by making them easier, F2P would ever surpass whales cause that ain't happening

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cause ultimately all these whales are getting the BIG points from doing 22M on all bosses cause they have 6+ teams

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so would it really break the game for the devs to just lower the difficulty of these domains and give F2P players a fighting chance ?

proper tangle
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So let's say they nerf stage 5 and then add stage 6 and 7, and 7 would be its current difficulty. Would you still be okay with that

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serious question, im just curious

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is it the last level you're frustrated on, or the lack of points in regards to domain 5

rapid rampart
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maybe they will increase the stages in season 2(or season 3 for some people) but not for season 1(season 2)

proper tangle
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its just hypothetical

frozen apex
proper tangle
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would you still be happy with domain 5 if they nerfed it but then added stages 6 and 7?

frozen apex
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but there needs to be a challenge for the "end game" too; so I'm also understanding and glad there is a real challenge

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oddone beat them all day 1, with only a few alliance bonuses

proper tangle
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aye, that's why im wondering if maybe it would be better to add more stages at slower difficulty progression to help create a bigger development goal, that also gives people abit more clear progression on where their account stands

rapid rampart
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let's take ripekas boss for example. that is the EASIEST boss by a mile

proper tangle
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hahaha, ripekas is my worst boss XD

rapid rampart
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and then you have bosses like bionphray and constantly stuns and taunts your melees and 1 random back ally

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like WTF are you even to do

proper tangle
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bionphray is just rediculous

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agreed there

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bionphray deffinetly needs to go

rapid rampart
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yeah some bosses were poorly selected

proper tangle
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i think ripekas was selected because of auster, you have a lack of aoe dispell between those 2 affinities so you're forced to choose one or the other, it helps slow down from excessive point gains. at least from a design point, that's what i see

rapid rampart
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or rather the combinations of enemies

proper tangle
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Wouldn't it feel a little boring if every fight was a tank and spank though?

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the dive teams are one of the few times you can explore with different formations and not just the standard 3 backline with one staggered then 2 up front

rapid rampart
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the problem with dive teams as enemies is the fact that there's barely anything you can do to handle them, especially with the STUPID AI that this game has

proper tangle
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but, that's what i was trying to tell you earlier. You just put HP on your backline and the divers will dive to tanks instead

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shagroll questa is based on lowest hp

rapid rampart
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for instance in real life would you just ignore somebody that's infront of your face pummeling you down so you could just keep hitting their front hero ?

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or would you stop attacking that hero to focus on the enemy that's right up your face ?

proper tangle
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probably run away to be honest and let someone else deal with it

rapid rampart
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and that is exactly how this game works. they literally ignore hero's like questa and shagrol in their face and then they get slaughtered

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like where's the logic in this crappy ai system ?

proper tangle
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Problem is, if you change the ai like that. now you have an entire team turning around and killing divers making them essentially useless. which in turn means they have to buff their stats, which then means they become insanely strong in pve content and it starts a huge cascade effect

rapid rampart
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ermm noo ? the ai system should be that the ai target focus should be on the one closest to them

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so if your tank is attacking the enemy front line he'll keep on attacking them

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but if a hero like questa jumps to your backline, then the allies closest to questa will target her

proper tangle
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exactly, hence why divers would all get targetted instantly the moment they dive XD, all you would have to do is put everyone in the backline and your tank second from back, now the entire team focuses your tank and your entire team focuses the diver

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so they would have to remove formations to make it work

rapid rampart
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doesn't work like that

proper tangle
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but it would, with what you're suggesting

rapid rampart
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because questa doesn't instantly jump

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and you also have a problem. if you do it the way you suggested than your whole team is dead

proper tangle
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lol no, because the entire enemy team is focusing your tank

rapid rampart
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because 1 aoe from enemy backline would most probably kill all your heroes

proper tangle
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so you stack defense 2 and run 2 supports?

rapid rampart
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by what you're saying you're making your allies be grouped up together

proper tangle
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well, they would be in line

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yes

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but if you're using a dive team, you're not using aoe

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its ST for a reason

rapid rampart
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not all your heroes would be a dive team though

proper tangle
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okay, so then what's the problem with just making a HP bait support if its only going to be one diver

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like, it sucks having to fight questa and shagroll. theres plenty of those comps in fey wild, but it just means you gotta change some gear around, to change all of these other internal designs just seems excessive for something so small

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have a designated defense only set for your tank, no hp on it for those specific occasions and just carry some HP chests, it will solve all of your dive comp problems i promise you

rapid rampart
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your tank would still have the highest hp no matter what because their base hp and def are higher compared to other heroes

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anywayz i'm off to dinner

proper tangle
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lol, he wont though

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just try it

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give it a try at the very least

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if it doesnt work

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i'll say im an idiot and a raging moron

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but at least give it a try before you say it doesnt work

proper tangle
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so, i gave it a go. i think the only problem with necrosis domain is there isnt a real healer in ice or good tanks unless you got a legendary. So i just used garius and it didn't matter what frost champions i used after that, as long as they were tanky enough to survive a dive then you'll win. I used usha rava trolgar and lossenia and any combination of 2 with a couple supports and it's pretty easy mode

solar python
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I passed all 3, then I just keep farming the one with Sharlach as it is the easiest. I don't really remeber the other 2, once I cleared all stages I never played them again, but if I remember correctly, the fire one was the most difficult for me, I cleared that stage in 2nd try, I had to rearrange my heroes. The other two besides the tempest one, could be nerfed a little bit, for the sake of players who are struggling. And as you said, specific heroes like Questa that you mentioned.

waxen vapor
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I used the same team for all of them which was garius / gillian / thelendor / iola / irina

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all auto

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I do find the amount of jumpers involved kinda annoying though to have so many in a fight that you have to farm every day