#Drizzt - needs to feel worth summoning

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timid pewter
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Drizzt doesn’t really need a kit change but he should feel worth summoning and levelling. I don’t think he needs to be the best DPS in the game (although lore wise that would fit his portrayal as an incredible warrior).

Some improvements:

  1. Make the cat invulnerable. You don’t need to remove him as a summons. You can keep the interaction between him and Drizzt in how they buff each other, but he needs to be unable to take damage. Yes, making him more resistant to aoe damage has helped but it still means that healers, who heal a single target on their skills, may end up prioritizing the panther instead of someone else and that can be very bad.

  2. Buff his multipliers. Usha should not be doing more damage than him. He doesn’t need to be another Flora but he should at least be comparable to Tonalnan. Since he is a Frost champion (a faction not known for its DPS champs) he should be hands down the best damage dealer for them.

  3. Give him some sort of buff/debuff to make him unique. Right now he’s just another champion who applies frost and there are better choices in the faction already. Leave the frost on him but give him something else. Maybe self healing/group healing like Questa (doesn’t quite fit lore but would improve the faction). Maybe attack down or defence down. Maybe full map aoe blind (he is a Drow after all and they have an innate ability to cast globe of darkness which essentially blinds their opponents). Or, another idea, he is extremely agile. Maybe a new dodge buff that gives him the ability to avoid all damage.

He needs something. Right now there is no reason for me to level him because he doesn’t do anything that Usha doesn’t already do. Being a Forgotten Realms fan and owning almost the entire Drizzt series of books, I am very disappointed at his lacklustre showing in this game. I almost regret the heliodice I used to summon him. If he remains mediocre, I will definitely think twice before participating in any more collab summoning.

wanton jacinth
# timid pewter Drizzt doesn’t really need a kit change but he should feel worth summoning and l...

Completely agree. Well said!
Just he doesn't need to be the best DPS as you said, but his kit is only about damage, so I would be thrilled if they would boost multipliers, gave some debuffs like atk penalty or let his ultimate gain more recharge like Philtos ulti, for example after using the ultimate if the enemy is under frost, fill your ultimate energy by 20%, or because it hits 3 times, each hit has 75% chance to fill your ultimate energy by 10%. And because it's 75% chance, of course not all 3 hits will proc every time 😄

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I think that would be fair 😉 + miltipliers ofc, 110% and 75% on battle skill is just laughable even compared to rares

dreamy anchor
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This week my server buffs frost dmg…… I guess he still need something more buffs

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wanton jacinth
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it's not so much if he can perform well, I want him to perform amazingly like other DPS heroes do. He can do some nice damage, but that damage is still the same as Usha's, then we ask them "what was the point of this hero? why did you bring him into the game?"

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we all spent money on this, we all invested heliolite dice to get him, because just from event you can't. need to invest at least 20 dice.

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This is just sad, he did a little less than Usha, almost the same, she is a rare with worse base stats

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a lot worse

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her ultimate is 400% x2 = 800%, doubled if there is frost = +1600% atk, Drizzt is 110% x3 = +330% vs +1600%

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When I see usha hit Vortex for 500k and then I see Drizzt hit for 60kx3 and 20k x3 from the pet = 240k.. I just want to cry

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btw they were in the same gear for the testing

dreamy anchor
wanton jacinth
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he isn't tanky unless you use defense runes on him 😄

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I don't really know why you mention tankiness? o.0
Has nothing to do with this issue, we need his damage buffed, base atk stats, multipliers, ultimate reworked because Vortex and Outworld bosses do not lose HP, so it's useless there, and those +75% and +110% just need to go like 5 times up

dreamy anchor
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Only those survivors can make output

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As he live longer, he does more, yet not gd enough

wanton jacinth
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That is not completely true, you don't build tanky dps on Vortex and those 6 bosses, you go almost full dps, you need def runes sometimes, the damage output needs to be fast before the boss reaches those 50-60 stacks and 1-shots your entire team

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he is not different from my Auster, they die approximately at the same time

dreamy anchor
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Well, I have no tanks for necrotic and frost, he’s the only one can protect my team long, today I bring him to vortex and finally I can move on to IV

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Btw deep elf diff🤡

wanton jacinth
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Just like many people said and many people did, they will leave, there are other games that offer more. This is not a one time thing. They failed with Utior even more, or the same. 2 heroes you obtain through events, TWO MAJOR FAILS. That is concerning.
They fixed panther's survivability, and I must say I tried it on Vortex difficulty IV and panther is almost the last one to die, they gave Drizzt more base HP, good. But why do I need him to survive when he does nothing??? Or at least does lower damage than a rare, lol.
If his kit had atk penalty II on ultimate, not battle skill, if he did something else, if his panther could heal allies "lick their wounds :D", maybe he could be some support, but this is just so sad.
How are they going to compensate people for investing so many heliolite dice? That was not cheap at all...and D&D are associated with this, it sheds bad light on them, too.
They simply have to change something or this will backfire hard.
They just globally launched, and the beginning is the most important, because this is how you KEEP or LOSE your player base.

tender thorn
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do we still have some hope for improvement?

dreamy anchor
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Seems not

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I’m spamming my complaints to cs, how about u

night tundra
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I think it has a lot to do with how people are gearing him; he is a very strong cleaver and pulls ~17mil alone on v4 for me. You can inspire him very easily with this event too, so balance is most likely done around this as well. He easily out damages Usha and his aoe is larger, with more survivability without the need for a shield.

Bonus points; his panther can tank rift 10 single target damage and is the last to die by far in vortex4

wanton jacinth
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How much is your Drizzt inspired?

night tundra
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@hallow thistle Post your drizzt

night tundra
wanton jacinth
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ok, they made a good tank. too bad his kit is all about the damage. I just wish he was outputting more. that's all, because a rare hero shouldn't do close to his damage on Vortex IV, and that rare has 1300~ base atk to his ~1500, defense 900 to his 1200. What is legendary about him? 😦

night tundra
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Well hes an aoe unit really with his wide ulti; hvitar and sig could be compared but we dont hear about that 😂

wanton jacinth
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and we shouldn't cause Drizzt can cover his face with his ears in embarrassment to their damage 😄 Usha's too on aoe ultimate 😄

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when I see Usha do more than half a million on Vortex with her ultimate and he does around 250k in the same gear...enough said

hallow thistle
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@night tundra the first minus is that he is a melee fighter - you cannot take 3 melee fighters into your team, one will be constantly stupid because of the panther. The Panther often hits the wrong way and as a result you lose a ton of DPS.
Have you tried using it in the arena? It’s a lost cause, and it doesn’t matter how much inspiration you have. If you take the damage on one target, Sutha transfers it almost twice. If you take area damage, even the main character can overcome it.

night tundra
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Hes my main arena cleave and is doing fine around 2600

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Clip from this week trying a frost team

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I’m not saying hes Philto, but people dunk on him like hes istarion lmao

hallow thistle
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5 inspiration.... you're just a god

slate relic
# night tundra

You have 5 inspiration and are running 4 other legendaries with him, and you are saying he's doing fine 😄 I am doing fine at 2600 with Sigrid 2 other rares and 2 epics.

wanton jacinth
# night tundra I’m not saying hes Philto, but people dunk on him like hes istarion lmao

But don't you understand he is a collab hero, he is a legendary hero, he is SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE PHILTO. Frost needs that, we need that, don't bring another rare-like dps and hype it for a month in advance, then when we pull him, we feel cheated. There is a certain feeling that name Drizzt brings with it, a well-known character that is by no means week or mediocre. So of course everyone expected something good. It's a flawed design, +110% x3 on his ultimate is already abysmal

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when I see Usha can do +1600% when the enemy is under frost

night tundra
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At no point did they agree to making a pay4arena points hero

wanton jacinth
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I am sorry I am not wasting any more breath on this topic, when 99.99% players say he is bad, but somehow you are defending him

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you can love him as much as you want, facts are facts

night tundra
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99.99 repeat content creators or dont even own him; half said he was bad because of stewgamings bad numbers lol

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Shows video > waah i5, a mechanic built for legendaries, is unfair when comparing heroez!

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Ok guys, gl asking for a rework

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night tundra
slate relic
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At 100% crit rate the numbers stay the same. You cannot argue differently.

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My Drizzt is tank geared atm, with no inspiration, as i was testing him in the frost domain, whats the point of posting it?

night tundra
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Post your drizzt

slate relic
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?

night tundra
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Just move over your Usha gear, post drizzt

slate relic
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like i said, whats the point? it's not a make a wish fundation

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if you compare Usha to Drizzt, whats the point of posting him? rofl

night tundra
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You cant support your argument with facts, and stoop to insults to fluff it- either post your drizzt you used for testing where he was “bad” or accept you are incorrect

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Its pretty simple lol

slate relic
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insults? when? and also why would i need to prove anything to you?

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i can have rare items on drizzt and still test him

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even no items

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doesnt make the test wrong

night tundra
slate relic
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all you need is the same kind of gear, multipliers don't change based on your equipment

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haha, no insult needed, you really dont know how math works 😄

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"if you don't do what i tell you to do, you're wrong"

wanton jacinth
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let's make this very simple 🙂
can he outdps other legendary dps heroes? --- NO
can he heal? --- NO
can he apply shields or defensive buffs? --- NO
can he apply debuffs like atk penalty, reduce recharge speed, healing prohibition, etc.? --- NO
can he provide other utilities tanks can? --- NO
Oh, dear God, so what can he do?

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it's one thing to like him, and have fun with him, it's another thing to say he is a SUCCESSFULLY DESIGEND HERO. Because he obviously isn't.

slate relic
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This dude isn't free to play, spent a lot of money on 5 inspirations so obviously he has to justify it by saying Drizzt is a great hero. Almost any legendary is great at 5 inspirations as they have access to more stats. In fact he is speaking from a high spender pov so he doesn't even use Usha I bet.

wanton jacinth
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It doesn't matter, if he is doing 17M with Drizzt on Vortex, because my Usha did 15M. If a legendary does only 2M more than a rare, that is shameful

dreamy anchor
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He’s quite useful for clearing ice/necrotic tower, but that’s it. I just lack of tank, he doesn’t work as a dps output for my trial

And this is the problem, he was not made to be tank, I don’t want him be a tank, I want him to be fantastic dps maker

wanton jacinth
dreamy anchor
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Even necrotic has lmao

regal relic
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I quit the moment i use all my resources om him and get dissapointed...

dreamy anchor
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Mine inspir 2 btw lul

slate relic
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I mean, all of these ppl that suggest to build him like a tank, forget that there are other characters with actual defense spec, that can do the same + have utility, vs him only doing low dmg in tank gear. I really don't understand this lol

dreamy anchor
dense haven
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The only use I can see for drizz't is putting him in a stun set and letting him disrupt group fights. I'm getting him on both of my accounts just in case of a buff, but he's nothing special from what I've seen. Anybody talking about drizz't is fine when they are running a +5 inspired drizz't or running him in 2600 arena with an elecebre and felosia isn't really using him in the way that most players are going to use him.

slate relic
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Well it is "rare" to pull, but "rare" in this game isn't really "rare". You have multiple rare tanks in ice and necrotic that do the Job better and I had all of them pulled in the 1st week of playing. And if you have 30-40 heliolite dice to spend on Drizzt then, u are not a newbie.

wanton jacinth
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Because you can't control skills in pvp, and the AI works like that anyway, they will use aoe where they can hit the most enemies, so it doesn't really matter if it's a front or back line unit

dreamy anchor
slate relic
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literally Usha is rare and she survives waaaaay more thanks to the shields, how can you argue against actual shields?

dreamy anchor
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It doesn’t really work in PvP since there are tons of Control, Pure stat is the best way to withstand.

I have 3 combinations of his tank builds, Usha is incapable with these. I still have some tactics done by Drizzt that Usha can’t do.

But still, I will keep spamming to cs until Drizzt buffs to a satisfactory point

slate relic
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Well when i test Usha as a tank and Drizzt as a tank, Drizzt dies 1st always. Also saw plenty of creators doing the same with similiar results. Guess you have some magical items for him 🙂 ...or you have him inspired, which i do not.

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Maybe he could do better in Feye Meander somewhere beyond 90, where you really need to spread the dmg, cuz then the panther soaks too...i might try that next.

vague depot
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I think Drizzt would be awesome if they just nerf Usha😂😂

devout plume
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You guys missing the point, all summon units have less upfront damage - because their summons soak skill casts.

This is a fundemental issue with summons (as a class) they all do less damage, due to in built mitigation of damage taken.

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So for him to do the same damage as Usha but to be taking far more damage then her innately? in a fully geared comp? sounds fine to me.

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As a necro main and almost always underperforming due to summons lacking dps scale/multipliers, I see where Drizzt is lacking due to this.

wanton jacinth
devout plume
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As all summon units.

wanton jacinth
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DIsagree, but I'll stop here. Cheers

devout plume
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You heavily disregarding how much the panther brings to the table in the ability to soak and cause aoe's to hit front line rather then a clumped backline.

Disagree all yah like, doesn't change the fact his kit was tuned in a way to consider the fact he has an xhealth companion soaking dps.

He's not a pure dps. Sadly. Frost does need one - but he isnt kitted that way purely due to having much of his kit involve a summon.

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They should jsut remove the panther.

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and tune him up.

wanton jacinth
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Frost heroes have a purpose to deal more damage while frost is up, since he doesn't bring much else to the table, as buffs/debuffs, etc. he can only do damage, but it shouldn't be on a level of a rare. And removing panther or not, doesn't fix the issue, they might have as well made the pet a shadow animation like Sutha's ultimate, simply contributing to the damage. But the problem remains, the damage isn't great. It is good, and as you said, and this is 100% true, frost lacks that true DPS, that other affinities have, which Drizzt could have changed. Sadly, he didn't. The game is unbalanced a lot, some not having a true dps some not having a true support or a helaer, and the game developers want us to make specific element teams for the end game. LOL, makes no sense.

wanton jacinth
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but it is a D&D collab, they cannot remove panther 😦

devout plume
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Frost is more aoe and PvE units for clearing content. They will always be subpar for top tier dps in raids.

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Fae and pillar, frost goes hard.

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Cheif and tempest, they terrible.

wanton jacinth
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and they carried me throught every content cause of Felosia

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but continental bosses are all about that damage, where they have Flora, Lothair, Philto, Thelendor, Nastjenka, Ivellios...I just feel sad because they had the opportunity to equal frost to other elements, they just missed it 😦

devout plume
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just a fact of life frost sucks at that content. Just like lightning sucks are pve in general but stomps in cheif/boss fights.

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Don't think a unit in frost should be behabving like a lightning dps. haha.

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Drizzt suits frost playstyle. imo.

wanton jacinth
# devout plume just a fact of life frost sucks at that content. Just like lightning sucks are p...

WOW. just wow 😄
You think some affinities should be stronger and some weaker? 😄 So even though we have 6 continental bosses, one affinity should suck at it??? And be left lacking forever? Leave the game unbalanced and bad, so people eventually leave? WOW, good thing you want Dragonheir to succeed and be "balanced" hahaha. At least we are trying to make the game better, heroes buffed and balanced, so every elemental affinity is good.
You are just being a NEGATIVE NANCY here 😄

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And no, frost doesn't suck there. Shows how little you know about this game.

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I am done having this "constructive" argument with you. As I said, cheers, have a nice day. #blocked

devout plume
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Kappa, okay kiddo. If you can't see that each element has different play styles idk how to help you 😄

dreamy anchor
devout plume
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Refer to Scharlarch and read his skills, 500% multiplier pretty lame. When Premesta doing 800%s map wide.

Summon units all do less direct damage.

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Because he has a summon, he feels weaker. Just like all the summons do.

dreamy anchor
devout plume
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Schar's summon pathetic xD

slate relic
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Well like it was stated above, panther is a part of his kit, and not a summon. He is a dps hero who cannot dps, and in about 1/3 of content in this game, having many characters soaking hits in the front line isn't actually good.

To fix Drizzt they should buff his dmg and change his passive so that the panther has a chance of making him attack x2 for +dmg or something legendary like that. So she would "appear" as a chance on hit with some fancy shmancy animation or just a roar sound. If not they could make him "call" for the panther when he ults. He is not a tank and he is not a summoner. If ppl know who Drizzt from books hear "summoner" or "tank" they wanna stab their ears. The whole idea about Drizzt are his swords, which the current even is even named after. And they made the Panther his main power...

dreamy anchor
slate relic
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If this is an actual collab, devs should know that Drizzt actually never travels with his panther. She needs to go back to the astral plane a lot to rest and "recharge", meanwhile she's with him at all times, that just makes no sense...He does call for her when he needs to, so ye one can argue that in this sense he is a "summoner" of sorts, but that makes his panther being summoned from an ult even better. Not just a passive minion that's just always with him...

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I guess there are some moments when they chill together but ye, let's not get into that, this game is about combat 🙂

wanton jacinth
# slate relic Well like it was stated above, panther is a part of his kit, and not a summon. H...

Don't mind that guy. I blocked him, but I guess you are referring to his messages. He says he is a NECRO MAIN. There is NO MAIN in a gacha game, where you are forced to make teams for all elemental affinities in order to fight the end game content. Second thing he said that makes no sense, he is comparing summoners to Drizzt, and some summoners buff the attack of ally summons, or some heroes get damage stacks based on allies' summons dying, like Lelawnis. So he has no idea what he is talking about, because panther doesn't do anything, buff/debuff, give atk/damage to allies...absolutely nothing. So I doubt he is even "necro main" as he says, because he didn't know the first thing about summons in the first place.
If only people like that wouldn't come in chat with their nonsense and disturb the natural flow of conversation for the people who actually like the hero, and only want to make him better for the sake of every player in the game.
These people have no idea they are exposing themselves to the entire community here, as what they say goes against everyone. Simply because they actually don't want heroes better, and hence, the game better. Their moto is "let flaws stay flaws, keep making mistakes with events, and leave the game unbalanced."

slate relic
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Well i know that a lot of ppl don't want to make Drizzt better, as he is an event hero which will never appear again (from what was said), hence whales can just 5 inspire him easy and have a strong option for the time being while f2p think they cannot even obtain him for free. The truth is that you can just save dice for events, and not just spend every single one of them whenever you obtain one. Still, getting 5 inspiration takes so many dice only a whale can buy it.

So ye a lot of f2p players prefer for these kinds of heroes to be weaker and even i would prefer for the game to never have event exclusive heroes that will only be available for 2 weeks and never again...

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That said tho, if you are not a big spender (like me) and save 35 dice to get Drizzt and he then turns out to be Mr Poopy Pants, makes me not want to do that ever again, and makes me think less of the devs and the game as a whole, because i clearly see the point of the event, that being, spending cash on 5 inspirations to make him actually useful, and i really don't like that.

dreamy anchor
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Me inspiration3 (lucky), but still he is quite weak

slate relic
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Ye i could open like 5 more dice and prolly get inspiration 1, but that's just not worth it at all, if i could turn back time i'd pass on him completely. Wish the devs would give me that option at least. I do feel cheated with the amount of effort it took me to get 35 dice for him.

devout plume
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Drizzt suffers from the same fate of Isitarian, where by they both summon a unit at the start of battle, and become relatively useless once that summon dies.

The Perks

1 -- Summoners get a pet/companion/meat shield to absorb dps/skill casts.
2 -- Summoners aren't locked into only using their type of damage, and have persistent damage through the use of their summons.
3 --Through summons, they can manipulate the battle, forcing the enemy AI to waste casts away from the backline.

The Cons

1 -- Summoners have worse scaling, their battle skills/ultimate skills suffer from lower direct damage then other classes
2 -- Once their summons are dead, or there is a period of time where they have no summons on the field, their dps drops significantly.
3 -- Summoners are usually more fragile then other classes, due to lots of the tanking/mitigation coming from their summons.

Does this ring a bell? Does this sound like Drizzt? Drizzt is a summon in all but name. He suffers from smaller % scaling and relying on an companion that cannot be resummoned, exactly as the Isitarian who is pretty much recognized as the worst epic in the game.

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Drizzt is just a meme Isitarian. The mechanics are flawed, and he certainly needs altering.

devout plume
slate relic
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I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here, If you want to call him a summoner you can. I definately won't as his kit is clearly pointing towards him being dps, the panther is making him deal more dps, she's just a weaker version of +Att, you cannot control her, and the manipulating you're talking about is clearly random, you can only try to do it to some degree, but then you are also forcing the entire lineup to switch positions which makes it almost always bad.

So sure, call him a summoner, i'll call him a uselss dps.

At least we agree on one thing, he definately needs altering, but only if it makes him deal comparable dps. Making panther tanky or some other bs is the completely wrong direction.

devout plume
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Just like Frost is the dps of Ice, Dauntless is the DPS of lgihtning, etc.

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I am classing him as a dps.

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Sure, he's frost, but he plays like a summoner, has the drawbacks of a summoner, and also has the perks of a summoner.

slate relic
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Ye but even tho i agree with you to some degree, you think about it wrong in my opinion.
Necrotic has summons, and Frost doesn't. Frost is Frost, and needs frost debuff to work well. Hence calling Drizzt a summoner because he happens to have a panther, while literally no other hero in Frost does anything to complement this ability, and even more, DRIZZT HIMSELF doesn't either is a mistake. But i doubt i'll convince you, you are entitled to your own opinion.
Not sure while we still argue when we both seem to want Drizzt buffed 🙂

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devout plume
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It's about the mechanics lmao. If you can't understand how that works, idk how to help you either.

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Man the chuildren in here are wild xD

slate relic
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How does he play like a summoner? Explain. He is a melee autoattcking frost relying dps who HAPPENS to have a panther with him.

devout plume
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I'm not sure if you can read, I just explainedhow exactly alike he is to summoners. Try reading it again.

slate relic
devout plume
slate relic
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I actually think u were making good points, and deserve a place to speak, but now i'll pass on the conversation aswell. Bye.

devout plume
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😄 Hope I got your heart rate up mate.