#The legendary summon is a joke for f2p

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compact schooner
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So basically I played eveyday since launch, progressed as fast as humanly possible.

I finished story, unlocked all shop/forge.

Shared all my "summon" for extra gems,
Filled every form for extra gems
Joined an alliance and participated in everything I could.
Participated and ranked as high as possible on every week for the events.
Bought every gold hiolyte from camp/store

And I'm Only at 31/80 summons.

Event finishes in just a few days and there's simply no. Way you can remotely fill that even without spewing cash.

Lesson learned.... Just stack your gold hiolyte when a banner with a hero you really want pops and cash out by praying to every God on existance.

When I see people with 3-5 legendary in pvp I wonder just how much money they forked because in 31 summon I literally got none (and none from the horn)

I hate when devs throw some events with unrealistic goals for free 2 play players.

Especially when it's a 80 freaking summon to Guarantee 1 goddamn legendary and it's on a timer

I'm Sorry but there should be a breakpoint built in baseline with summons guaranteeing one after x fails and eventually resting after a successful summon.

Otherwise it feels Like a very poorly thought out gacha mechanics system when most other game have this implementated already.

noble bone
hollow glade
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@noble bone is it possible to check how many gold dice did you roll till this time?

noble bone
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Not that am aware of, but if you under 80 you can see the number and assume from there

hollow glade
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i definietly under 80, since i am a free player and i does not pull a legendary.

compact schooner
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I did get a legendary at 35 pull BTW you were right.

rancid marlin
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I was about to say you got four to go lol

hollow glade
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@compact schooner I've read in another topic that 35 should be in one pool.

obsidian rivet
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there is one free legend from game progress, besides that dont expect any further leg's.
The event rules say "guaranteed leg after 35 draws" thats 12k+ crystals but its not cumulative, means 35 draws in one event not all events.

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conclusion: collect 12k wyrmarrow before u send them in on single event. and bring some tissue to wipe away your tears if u should draw the same legend twice.

runic gyro
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it wouldnt be all that bad if only the pity would carry over to all banners 😛

honest glen
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As someone to yearn as a F2Per, it's definitely all in the FINE PRINT! If you take a closer look at SUMMON DETAILS, it says GUARANTEED a Legendary at 35 Pulls! Since starting the game, I won't use any Golden Heliolite Dice till I have all 35. I highly recommend for all other F2Pers to do the same. Also, much luck on your future pulls!

As @obsidian rivet stated, save up 12k+ Wyrmarrows BEFORE doing a Heliolite Dice Exchange for a Legendary ❤️

plush scaffold
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Oh man I just summoned 5 for another event and that doesnt counts ?

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For pity

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Btw %3 rate so ridiculous for f2p big joke

honest glen
plush scaffold
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But game also doesnt give you that much pull as other gamrs

honest glen
# plush scaffold But game also doesnt give you that much pull as other gamrs

It gives plenty of the Purple Starlight Dice. Sure, no Legendaries but I've never seen a gacha so generous with General pulls as Dragonheir. Most other gacha games I've played, there is a strict "purchase only event" which are the Summons, so this comes off as completely normal to me.

So, it's a matter or perspective

plush scaffold
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And non working redemtion codes

plush scaffold
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I am watching yt videos btw but the problem is game getting so boring

north totem
# honest glen In other pull / gacha systems, the rates can be as cruel as 1.5%. Thus, surprisi...

Already stopped playing this game for a long while now but still on server if they ever change anything that is positive.

3% is def very high rates but the problem is its a 3% of heroes you might not even want or wont work with your current roster.

Lets compare DH to the top dog right now which is StarRail.
StarRail has a 0.6% for a 5* with a 90pity guarantees you need banner hero if you lose the 50/50. (And a 4* hero for every 10pulls)

But in StarRail f2p/LowSpenders can actually enjoy the games and the pulls as the events and random rewards they give are actually meaningful and make the players put in the time to get them. And every patch they give free 10 pulls adding to that the premium currency on each patch from its events and story can all ammount to reaching pity and most people get the character they want

HSR also has a different banner types
Featured banner (rotating)
Standard
Weapon
All of them can drop a 5* also follow the 4* drop rule

Now compare it to dragonheir, f2p are mostly going to be stuck with rares and epics, and even for epics it can be quite hard to get them at 35 standards (correct me of im wrong) with no chance for a lego pulling from standard. The comes the standard Gold helio pulls, f2p can dream to ever get what they want there whenever they reach the 35pity.
In the rotating gold helio banners its a bad choice for f2p/lowspenders since there is no guaranteed 35 anymore and peeps know it takes forever to save pulls for the pity.

Nvm about star rail wepaon banners though since thats whale/flex territory XDDD

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Was kinda hyped for this game but got dissapointed it followed near Raids type of greed

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Quite a long read sorry for that XD

normal surge
jagged mirage
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Legendary are not for F2P, Point.
Anyway this game is very F2P friendly. As u say, u clear the content without any leggo and that's nice. We got many purple dice that brings some gold epic for the long run.
So take it easy.
They need to make money.

I would blame more this stupid stamina grinding System, every season u will play the same units because we get so less stamina to try out others, and we go back to what was working last season.
But this is Another story.

north totem
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Yeah seasons dont seem too much of a good idea in a gacha.

But also yeah game is f2p friendly which is really nice but majority would play bec of the gacha. If peeps dont enjoy the gacha, they most likely leave fast.

wise grove
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The dice in the summon is just plain misleading and it might even be illegal in countries such as The Netherlands. The implementation of the dice does not reflect the real chances of rolling a certain number with a real dice.

honest glen
# jagged mirage Legendary are not for F2P, Point. Anyway this game is very F2P friendly. As u s...

Agreed. The game itself for Storymode is quite F2P Friendly. Even for the Occasional Walker Trials Purchaser. Legendaries really show the Whale.

The Summon Horn Dice is also loaded as it's almost always 1 - 14 and not like an actual dice roll. So, again, Epics and Legendary draws at 15 - 20, only 5 out of 20 choices should be 25% chance if the dice weren't loaded. That's just luck that I don't really see happening.

Every day is indeed a stamina grind. I'm wondering if some of the staff are Asian because I really see grinding games on Asian RPs more than Western RPs. Curious, know anything about the company?

honest glen
tranquil gate
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youll have to search for the last lego u summoned and count from there

high tide
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I got my legendary at pull 5 but as a f2p myself I get annoyed when devs create p2w events for the big spenders only. The game resets every 3 months already and that's painful for grinders, no need to add more pain because people will just grind for a couple of season and then quit the game. If only seasons lasted 6 months instead of 3 it would feel less of a grind rush

honest glen
# high tide I got my legendary at pull 5 but as a f2p myself I get annoyed when devs create ...

I hear that. I've noticed that whales either stay ahead the whole game or completely dead drop a game after 1 - 2 years out of boredom. It's Occasional Payers, who may be mainly Grinding Champions that tend to stay out for longer if it isn't too much p2w. You need a variety of players to continue being the Life Force of a Game if it is to Endure YEARS of Gameplay.

I honestly wished there was an algorithm in Gladiator that enabled you to fight less Legendary Teams if you are F2P or if you hadn't purchased that much. It feels a tad bit suffocating to be honest.

All Ranked Challenges are essentially all P2W Challenges. It's honestly best to ignore that and Story Mode and do General Event Challenges that pop up every 3 -5 Days or Weekly.

The Game IS heavily Grindy. At least once at Inspiration / Star 5, you don't have to do that again at Reset! So, I plan to eventually get all my Epics up to speed then.

Also, Congratz.
Which Legendary?

I haven't been so lucky yet. I plan to save my Heliolite Dice to ATTEMPT Shadow Imperial Recast (and get Gillian and/or Mithrasea for Summons Event). I mean, a partial earnable Legendary is something I'm interested in.

12k Wyrmarrow for 35 Dice is the Goal prior to Every Summons Event I wish to test my luck in!

high tide
winged stump
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damn, I just started playing yesterday and now I have a reason to quit before I get too invested in the game

safe plinth
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Good Gacha vs Whale game

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If you disrespect food , food will eventually leave and never return

sour pier
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The sad part is, all of the summons are loaded/rigged in this game. There are certain heroes that are way more or way less likely to get pulled based on how good they are (don't even get me started on the exclusives). When you pull the same crappy Epic champion 3 times in a row (something like a ~1/250,000 chance if you assume the chances are equal), and on multiple occasions with other crappy Epics, there's no way that the chances for each Legendary/Epic/Rare are the same. There's a reason they don't post each individual unit's chance to be pulled (even though it is illegal not to post it in many countries, including in China... which is the Developers home country lol), and that's to hide the fact that not all heroes have an equal chance to get pulled. Even as a whale, you will have a very hard time getting the exact hero you want. Yes, you have a 3% to pull a legendary, but the chance to pull a good legendary is probably somewhere around 0.03% if not lower. To pull the exact legendary you want is probably somewhere around 0.003% (assuming at some point, there are units that have the same chance to drop as another unit... if they went so far as to dictate each and every units chance to pull, then just keep adding zeroes after that decimal point).

harsh kraken
# sour pier The sad part is, all of the summons are loaded/rigged in this game. There are c...

This is not based on facts or data?
Personally I pulled 9 lego's total, of which 2 dupes (low chance of that, but perfect for artifacts)
Also: I pulled Hvitar and Tamar. Not too shabby!
As epics I have almost everything I need, while missing way more than half

All this shows is that it's circumstancial evidence, not statistics.
Yes, people can have bad luck and pull the same bad epics over and over.
However, people with bad luck are prone to post earlier&easier too?

Note: I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm only saying that it's jumping to conclusions.
Personally I rank quite high without whaling (did spend a bit though)
And the dice keep rolling in from ranking rewards, etc.
It's more than a dice/day and you can't say that of games like Raid, etc.

sour pier
# harsh kraken This is not based on facts or data? Personally I pulled 9 lego's total, of which...

I get what you're saying, and yes, it's possible that it isn't true. Any data I provide will be circumstantial and not enough to prove that it's not working as intended. We'd need a much larger dataset pulled from multiple people to prove it. But why the secrecy, especially since it's illegal for them not to show the exact drop rates in their own native country (maybe they have a Chinese version of the game that has all this data, dunno; maybe they bribed some official, again, dunno). And I'm not the developer, I shouldn't have to prove that my bad luck exists when I pull 3 Caraman in a row, or 3 Thia in a row, or 2 Duling in a row (5 times more likely to die from a wasp than to get the same epic 3 times in a row... now that's some bad luck), the developer should have to prove (or at least disclose) their rates. I mean, they flat out lie on the summon record query in the "Duplicate" column. I have duplicates shown 1 line apart, but the system says it's not a duplicate (sure it could be a "bug", but this is all done intentionally). This is a post for Genshin, but it is the same rules/laws for gacha. https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/10/06/genshin-impact-gambling/. If you don't believe that site, just google this and you'll see many other examples. Regardless of the data presented, they need to abide by the law, no?

grand bone
grand bone
# north totem Already stopped playing this game for a long while now but still on server if th...

Bro im a free to play. Im saving about 8-10 orange dice a week. Top 20-30 in any content concerned on chaos clepsydra 4 server. I got no problem whatsoever to get Utior which i will receive tomorrow. U can undoubtedly get a new lego monthly. Which u can fully book if u wish it to in as short as 1.5 week. Pulling on the monthly banners u can safely and securelly reach 35 each month if u start to collect and open orange dices at day 1 from all the crystals and arena shoo purchases.

grand bone
# jagged mirage Legendary are not for F2P, Point. Anyway this game is very F2P friendly. As u s...

Trickter me as a f2p im only trying to get a better Def% green chest and some better negative runes but im happy with my build for now. And still 1 month from the season. I will just do exactly what you said its not possible leveling up new team comps and trying what works best for next season. If u max the right set of gears and very thoughtfull about it you can actually get enough good gear after 6-7 week of olaying

grand bone
north totem
# grand bone Bro im a free to play. Im saving about 8-10 orange dice a week. Top 20-30 in any...

Though the biggest problem still for f2p is that they have no control what lego they will get. It can either be useful or useless if the players has no roster to build with the lego theyve received. So f2p is still stuck with their current team. One of the big reason f2p stick to gachas is they can still control who and what they want if they save till pity. And if in dragonheir the best option for f2p is to pull on the standard gold dice banner and bet you get a useful legendary and if you dont then it just ruins the hype and fun of the f2p peeps.

high tide
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The best option for F2P is to clear content with rares and exploit good positioning. Legos are just a bonus. We have no control, we can only make best use of what we can get

junior apex
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For F2P I think its just okay to have epic and rare, ive seen bunch of ppl just using them to clear dungeon and level. If yoú good enough and have line up for every dungeon you are safe,

However you moree likely can not get big dmg or get higher rankings (grand battle are)

safe plinth
jagged mirage
safe plinth
grand bone
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Since the utior event started i collected 49 orange dice while i spend daily 50 crystal for extra bread. So for high level free to olay can actually collect 1.6-1.7 orange dice /day on average in 1.5 month if i want i can roll into one of the blessed summon events and fet what i want.

junior apex
grand bone
# junior apex how you get so many orange dice ?

Well im just very competetive overall. I finished radiance pilar. At stage 50 at fire,and stage 40 from necro.From Fey im at stage 170 hopefully tomorrow i finish that too. I finish the weeks in the 20-50 reward pool in every content. I do a lot of arena too only for the rewards. Arena gives also orange dices every second week 2 pieces. And its goes on and on.The end of the week reward bonanza easely gives 2-3 dice worth of crystal.

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Also im in a top clan so i get only from vortex tons of crystal. I believe i get 70 crystal from the clan reward as we all kill high level the vortex. 85 crystal is given the next day to finishing vortex in the top 50.

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thats~0.4 orange dice only from vortex daily. Since we got this utior challenge if u finish the chiefs high level they also gave tons of crystals. No idea mate butnone thing is for sure there is no lacking of freely given resources.