stealth merged beta with global pvp ????

[polar dagger]

Why would you guys merge beta vs global pvp we came on this server to not play vs beta players 🤔

[silver idol]

agreed. this is nonsense and needs to be fixed. unfair and unfun environment to pvp in. Competing against beta players with months and months of collecting characters, inspirations and legendary artifacts plus all the resources that converted over to Season1 from Season0

[coral lake]

A great way to encourage people to close their wallets. Why make season0 and season1 server pools if you’re just going to mix them up a month after launch to let season0 players feast on season1 players? Terrible bait and switch, probably going to lead to chargebacks. <@&1024931953465626644>

[silver idol]

i cannot understand why the devs think its fine to allow the much more advanced beta player accounts to beat up on global players.

why are they being given the advantage?

special treatment due to being beta players? ridiculous.

[native delta]

Hello Travellers,

we are glad to serve you and we are very sorry about your inquiry.

Please be assured that we are in no way biased towards any group of players, and that all players are equal in our eyes!

If you think the matching rules are not fair enough now, we will record your suggestions and forward them to the related team

Please let us know if you need further assistance.

[silver idol]

he just showed you evidence that CBT players are being matched against global players

look at the screenshot

two of those players have cbt/s0 avatar frames

@native delta

[polar dagger]

@native delta all these players were not present in our pool until this patch so was this a mistake and needs to get looked at or are they going to be permanently in our pool

We want answers immediately this is outrageous and unlawful and wrong

[native delta]

Thank you Rifter, just allow me a few minutes to check and I will get back to you ASAP.

[coral lake]

As top 10 players on global, we are seeing a lot of CBT players which leads me to believe that they are seeing me now as well.

[polar dagger]

I already got attacked by one khor

So they do see us

[coral lake]

Lovely

[silver idol]

yes that player is also cbt/s0

[coral lake]

This is a big deal - hope yall take it serious

[polar dagger]

And may I add I got 1 shot by his single heri

Hero

Truly amazing

[native delta]

We sincerely apologize about the inconvience, I wwill check with the team and get back to you as soon as possible.

[polar dagger]

I joined this game and server with expectations I will nit play vs beta

And spent alot of $

[silver idol]

please stress to the devs this is NOT okay. preferential treatment to beta players is NOT ok.

[coral lake]

Thank you for your prompt response. I hope it gets attention from the devs quickly.

[silver idol]

This change only favors beta players. it is ONLY detrimental to your global playerbase.

Absolutely guarantee there are far more people spending big money in global only servers.

and all of those people can absolutely start issuing chargebacks due to such a massive and unfair change in the structure of pvp.

[teal mural]

think I dropped like 300 points from all the beta players attacking

cross server events are usually great, but not with beta players

[runic patrol]

We are currently trying to sort out the issue

[teal mural]

thank you

[coral lake]

You’re going to have a lot of refund requests if you keep this garbage decision in place. Global whales are still at massive disadvantages to cbt whales due to the months of additional banners and heroes they have access to.

Completely pointless to keep launch servers separate when you’re just gonna matchmake them anyways. Many of us would have never spent money just to get fed to year old accounts after 2-3 weeks of playing.

[runic patrol]

Accidents happen, bugs will always show up, bringing it to our attention is good, berating us for trying something new is actually uncalled for, the developers are trying their best, this is how a game improves by trying things and seeing what works and what bugs need to be ironed out, we are trying to do our best and you going on a tangent does not help us or make things go faster, so im asking nicely to be respectful i have said we are sorting this out.

We do apologize for all the inconvenience but you need to give us mods time to sort and find out whats going on.

Thank you and please try to be patient

[viscid prism]

All good for trying new things, just I hope they are not delusional about it. The result from trying this is getting less rewards for new players clearly being pushed down in brackets, so there's that.

[polar dagger]

Yup its horrendous dude I can't even win a single attack or defend one guy all beta players

Hopefully they figure out what's going on

[runic patrol]

Yes we understand, as far as i can see this is due to many complaining they dont get matched up because they to high up in rank but of course this happened

[silver idol]

thats a problem with matchmaking algorithm and the mechanics for points and wins/losses. this "fix" caused more problems than it tried to solve.

[native delta]

Dear traveller,
We apologise for any inconvenience caused, we totally understand your feelings and concerns, and we really appreciate your feedback. Please do not be disappointed about this.
Regarding the issue you are facing with Arena, kindly note that the problem has been confirmed and is waiting to be fixed. For the future, we have taken your feedback as a suggestion and our development team will do their best to provide you with a better gaming experience. Thank you so much for your continuous support.

[silver idol]

can you elaborate, what is the "fix" that is being planned?

[runic patrol]

They wont know yet till they have a thorough look at everything so please be patient

[teal mural]

I think the reason why all of us are really pressing this issue

is because it's not just about PVP or this specific incident

we're hoping devs understand that global players don't want to be mixed with beta players - for ANY game mode in the future as well

so we appreciate the fact that this issue is on their radar and they're planning a fix, but we're also hoping that cross server events are between global vs global, or beta vs beta

and not global vs beta for any future content or else the same issue will arise unfortunately

[coral lake]

Looks like our global servers top 10 arena players all lost 400~ points already since this went live 16 hours ago

About half of my losses have the season 0 avatar border

[upper elm]

It's one condition in soutce code and one condition in query for matchmaking and the same for ranking.

New branch as hotfix in repository, and a release.

Or something like that, it should be done in a day.

I am a free player, and the reason is I am also try to point out what are the problems with this game, that it could much much better, a lot of potential in it.

I am free player now, so maybe I have no right to ask anything, I wont pay a cent, while errors like this could happens.

[fallen sundial]

Well, honestly, it is in the pvp rules.... cross-server from silver3 and better. Lets see how they will maybe adjust it im the future, like Lydia and fino said, the developers are aware and Iterating it

[grand solstice]

Rules or not, it's beyond stupid to mix in players this soon with such a big advantage due to extra time for hero summoning/ranking & skill upgrades.
Whales or not, most of these teams are at max inspiration which becomes more feasible for release players, including whales, after a full season of banners (that these cbt players have had).

Mixing them in after an extended 6+ month grace period? Sure!
Mixing them in right now? Let us know as soon as possible while we are in chargeback timeframes

[coral lake]

Are you referencing an ingame rules stating “21 days after the season starts, players at silver lion champion III or above can be matched up against players on other servers in the same season.”

Because if so, cbt players are not in the same season. This is their second season and global players first. They should not be in the matchmaking pool. Season 0 counts because their stuff carried over. Doesn’t matter what they number it, they are in their second season.

[fallen sundial]

It doesnt say what season just the season start... and yeah, i know that some players have issues with that. Myself, i dont care, just doing my thing ingame, but my Ranking dropped too, to the whales that joined the Ranking i cant beat anymore. Dropped down from silver3 to copper today...but thats ok, let them whales be up there, they refinance the game

[coral lake]

It literally says matchmaking is only in the same season. Cbt should not be considered the same season because carryover was allowed from season 0.

Their season tracker starts at 0, our global tracker starts at 1. We are inside our first season, they are inside their second season.

Global whales also helped finance the game. They have also spent thousands->tens of thousands are now being farmed by cbt whales. It’s gonna lead to chargebacks.

Asinine decision any way you cut it and should not be defended. The only people defending it are cbt benefactors or global F2P/low spenders not affected by it.

I’m just glad they showed their hand so soon after launch. They have a few days to fix it before a chargeback wave comes i bet.

[fallen sundial]

It is the same season... season1... that started on the 19th ( cbt2 only Server 3 days earlier) ... i do get your point, but that doesnt change the fact that we are in the same season.

I am a cbt2 Player as well, am on Chaos chlepsydra1 Server and it does not benefit me. I still like the cross-server approach, cause otherwise pvp would die more and more, as players tend to quit some times... and servers would die if there was no cross-server.

Your Argumentation would carry over to season2, cbt2 would have 2 full seasons by then... and so on...

Lets just wait for their official Statement about it. @wanton wren and @native delta already said, its under investigation.

[coral lake]

Happy to wait and see, i just think claiming the same season is a complete fallacy. Maybe the devs had to sell it this way to allow spending in cbt but it’s a full bait and switch to global players expecting fair and ethical matchmaking with other global players. Cbt has arguably even had more than one season due to the length of carryover allowed. In no way are they in the same season.

This is the most important game mode to prevent cross contamination with cbt.

When nearly every comp we face at 3k+ points is a cbt comp with heroes we’ve never had featured, all level 20 legendary artifacts, and inspired heroes everywhere; it’s a broken balance.

Over time it will become irrelevant but 3 weeks into the game it’s a massive imbalance. We need to delay a season or more, remove defensive loss of points for cross play, or keep cbt within cbt.

[fallen sundial]

Keeping cbt within cbt is only one Server, and that would lead to server-death even quicker. Then there are 2 cbt/Mix servers and the rest is new only.

And like i said, i do understand your point of view, it is just not mine, but thats fine, i am not a decider here 🙂

[coral lake]

Whatever the population of cbt is, my defensive losses are heavily heavily cbt comps

Our entire top 10 arena players ranks have all plummeted over 400 points in less than a day due to being farmed by cbt

Hvitars, Lossenia, Elecebre, Mithrasea, Philto, Felosia, Berengar, Oggok, Garrika, Nastjenka, etc. everywhere before global has had a chance to feature and pull them besides rng off banner..

Within another couple days, Gold Griffin will be a cbt only rank.

[native delta]

Dear Traveller,
Sorry to keep you waiting.
We are sorry that you faced such a disappointing experience, but do not worry everything will be sorted out.
Regarding the issue about being matched with CBT2 veteran players in the arena, it has been confirmed that To increase the challenge and optimize the arena matchmaking pool, we have introduced a cross-server challenge system. This means that although you may be matched with CBT2 veteran players, your final ranking and rewards will still be calculated based on your own server, without affecting your actual ranking and rewards.
If you are matched with CBT2 veteran players in the arena, you can refresh to change your opponent and find a more suitable challenge. We encourage you to actively try different opponents to improve your skills and strategies.
If you have any suggestions or feedback regarding arena matchmaking, we are more than happy to listen. Please feel free to share your thoughts with us, and we will strive to improve the game for a better experience.
Wishing you a pleasant time in the game! If you have any other questions, we are here to help you at any time
I hope my explanation could help you.
Please let us know if you need any further assistance or help.
Have a good day!

[coral lake]

This is a complete lie and is a terrible experience/response. Nothing is being sorted out. There is no “may be matched” here. Global players “WILL be farmed all season long by season 2 cbt players” is how you should rephrase it. There is no “may” here, its happening all day long. This absolutely affects local server ranking and rewards because gold griffin rank is now a CBT only rank. Global players will not be able to compete with this, there will be a CBT wall where 3 week old accounts cannot progress.

We are losing out on points and ranking because cbt players are farming us. You’re choosing cbt over global with this atrocious decision. Complete bait and switch to your statements around global and CBT players competing with eachother at launch.

Defense matters in this game, you can’t refresh your way out of 10 losses to 3-12 month old accounts farming your 3 week old account. Skills and strategies don’t work when cbt have access to months of banners and heroes global doesn’t have access to. You can’t skill and strategy your way to competing with months more of progression.

Stop spinning it as a positive thing. It’s a terrible thing for global. It’s only a positive feature for cbt since they get tons of free easy wins from global players so they can get even further ahead of us.

[grand solstice]

Terrible response. We cannot maintain a high rank on our server when cbt players can effortlessly farm us.

Thank you for the quick confirmation while we can still refund 🙏

[coral lake]

Yup, time for global whales to chargeback because they’re choosing CBT over global

[native delta]

Hello Traveller,
We apologize for any inconvenience caused by our game,
Please don't be angry, we really care about every player's feelings and experience, and believe that we have been working hard, and hope to be able to give all players a better gaming experience, please continue to support us, we also hope that you will be with us on the growing path of our game."

[native delta]

Hello Traveller,
We apologize for any inconvenience caused by our game,
Please don't be angry, we really care about every player's feelings and experience, and believe that we have been working hard, and hope to be able to give all players a better gaming experience, please continue to support us, we also hope that you will be with us on the growing path of our game."

[grand solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-is-happening-matty-matheson-michelle-palace-soup-meltdown-whats-going-on-what-is-this-about-gif-26362776

[coral lake]

Nah, your actions say you don’t have a single care about us or our wallets. CBT players and wallets are more important than global players and wallets. That’s what you’re saying here. That’s what your actions are saying in game with allowing CBT players to own 100% of endgame pvp.

Shouldn’t have even bothered to separate the servers to begin with if it was only for three weeks. Just keep CBT players merged with global at this point. Give them all the progression and preferential treatment. Let them stay top ranked forever.

You don’t need global players, you have all you need from CBT

[native delta]

Dear traveller,
That is not true we do care about our players

[coral lake]

Sure you maybe care a little bit. You just care a lot more about CBT players and want to make sure their experience is the most optimal and nothing could ever hurt it just a little bit. Even if it means ruining all of global experience, that is worthwhile to make sure CBT doesn’t experience any issues.

[grand solstice]

Also, next time you copy and paste a canned response, make sure to remove the quotation marks 😉

[teal mural]

I’m so lost, did they really suggest to work on strategies etc or look for different opponents?

I started around 3500 and lost to every cbt whale that has high inspiration Elcebre - so the fix is for all global players to drop down 500 points?

Every game I’ve ever played, beta players make a choice on staying on beta servers or moving to global at launch - global retention should always be the priority and not beta retention, they made their choice to not start fresh with the rest of us

and like someone else said, this might make more sense 6 months from now, but not at launch when we’re at such a disadvantage

[coral lake]

You read that right - <@&928573207978594304> is telling global whales to just try harder when matching up with 3-12 month old accounts.

[teal mural]

I’ve already spent 5 figures on this game - and this just seems like a terrible way to really push away any of the global spenders

[coral lake]

Yup

Can chargeback now though since its only 3 weeks old

[fallen sundial]

There is no 12month old Accounts btw. And believe me, i didnt expect that answer... but if they say there is a server internal Ranking as well, i guess we have to wait till pvp reset (saturday on my case...) to see how that is going to payout...

[coral lake]

Most of my server has already lost the gold griffin rank, everyone has slipped hundreds of points in less than a day

There is now a CBT wall at lion 3

[teal mural]

it’s not just about the server ranking - getting farmed by CBT teams is not an enjoyable experience

As it stands, I have no interest in PVP anymore - and is this gonna be the mindset for future content as well? is guild vs guild going to end up crossed with beta as well?

[coral lake]

They’re choosing CBT wallets over global wallets. May as well close yours

[fallen sundial]

Well, i am getting farmed by global whales now, not only cbt2... and yes gvg is crossserver. Was always intended that way afaik. And honestly that problem is a season1 problem as you said yourself...

And well, they stated above there is a server internal Ranking, so of you will still get your top1 or what ever Server spot you place, reward it should not matter on the Global Ranking...

(And yes i know about the point thresholds, but who knows how that will be payed out at the end of the week)

I would suggest to stay calm and see after the first week...

[coral lake]

Staying calm is just allowing the devs to feel like we don’t care and accept this decision

We also lose out on our 30 day chargeback window by waiting

[fallen sundial]

The servers are at most, 23 days old, waiting another 5 days doesnt kick you out of the 30 days xD

Pvp payouts are every 7 days, today is day 3 of my pvp-week...

[polar dagger]

Ya they are literary saying to use our refreshes and find a more suitable opponent lmfaooo

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[silver idol]

What an absolutely nonsense response. This does not address CBT players hitting global players. It doesnt matter how many times we can refresh if the CBT playrs can farm us. What the heck is going on? why is the response to this issue a non-response? Multiple ways of addressing this problem have been suggested, and the devs have chosen NONE of them? Insane.

[silver idol]

Remove point losses on defence vs cbt players. Simple. I would like to know why the devs cannot implement this solution (or any other) and meet the global players issue half way @native delta

The reality is this problem goes beyond the normal arena mode. The other two arena pvp modes we have coming are also cross server, which means CBT players will also dominate those pvp modes. all the global players looking for a fair and competitive pvp experience, you wont find that in Dragonheir.

Make yourselves heard with your wallets. Get the chargebacks rolling.

[coral lake]

Only like 0.1% of global knows this happened yesterday. As more and more climb ranks to encounter this it will become more and more of a negative experience.

It will only hurt your revenue if you keep it in. Whether it’s PvP spenders stopping their spend because they’re so far behind CBT spenders or they pursue chargebacks because of the misleading statements about matchmaking in the same season (CBT are ABSOLUTELY NOT in the same season as us. No matter what you number the season, they have finished a very long season already and carried their progress over. They’re in season 2, we’re in season 1.)

In this thread alone i bet you have $30-50k of angry spend. This will only increase once more global spenders realize this happened. <@&928573207978594304>

[orchid nimbus]

Why would beta servers even be running anymore LOL

[coral lake]

The beta servers aren’t anymore but all those players got to bring their hero pulls, inspiration, skill ups, artifacts and such over to this season.

Fundamentally giving them a full season worth of head start over launch players - which everyone knew - but now they’re matchmaking them to us. Essentially making all the top rank spots CBT players only.

[orchid nimbus]

So only their teams are showing up but the accounts aren't playable? Or you are saying their accounts were transferred over?

[coral lake]

No, beta players are killing global players as soon as they hit 2.6k arena points

[final jewel]

Yes you hard climb your own server ladder, then at 2600 points you show on the list against those CBT with months old accounts, and you instantly drop back! Yes you can stay 1st on your server ranking, but you won’t be able to get top arena rewards because of this braindead feature.

It wasn’t thought well, and it seems they won’t think twice about their crappy idea!

And it seems it’ll be the same for multi-team pvp or guild wars. So can’t wait to enjoy being farmed over and over by months old account (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10..) against us 3 weeks old players in all the « pvp » features. (For the devs, yes it’s sarcastic in case you missed it)

[orchid nimbus]

LOL that's absolutely ridiculous lol

[languid fog]

I genuinely have concerns about the decision that beta players have been merged with standard players, as beta players come with a significant advantage over those who have only recently started playing this game. It's a matter of fairness and balance. Understanding that this will discourage new players from investing further in the game, as it doesn't seem enjoyable to compete against individuals who have had several months of experience. Furthermore, I won't be putting any more money into this game unless this issue is resolved.

[coral lake]

I agree. However, <@&928573207978594304> genuinely don’t care about fairness or satisfaction for global players. They want to make sure cbt players have plenty of easy global players to farm far more than they care about providing a fair and competitive experience to global players.

As is evidenced by them not delaying or rolling back this feature until it works more favorably. Our entire server has down ranked hundreds of points by cbt players. Not one global player has been able to maintain the gold griffin rank after five of us held onto it for days beforehand. Golden griffin rank is a cbt only rank now.

They’re just hoping the dust blows over and people accept it.

[languid fog]

It appears that the representatives of this game are mainly here to assure us that they will forward our concerns to their superiors. However, in reality, it feels like the decision-makers in Hong Kong do not truly prioritize the well-being of the community.

[silver idol]

@native delta what does that even mean? has this issue been closed?

[languid fog]

Not at all , they not going to remove the beta players from the standard server.....

[quiet pollen]

Wow unbelievable

I smell this game is going to be dead in like 2-3 months

Goodluck with that

[astral hill]

Why should they act? They know none of you will do anything anyway. You won't refund because you're all afraid to get banned. So just take it like good little boys, is their stance.

[final jewel]

As if, refund already done and orhers people will do it too. Enjoy your investment as cbt player on a nearly dead game with that kind of policy.

[quiet pollen]

Why care about getting banned when their intention is to quit and get back some of the invested money? They quiting anyways

[coral lake]

And now our global guild is matching up with a cbt guild

And <@&928573207978594304> hasn’t said a word in 3 days. They’re too busy caring about cbt players to consider global players.

[astral hill]

Bro tbh why are you guys still here then? Vote with your wallet. Money talks, everything else is blah blah. The fact that global whales still haven't refunded and uninstalled shows the dev that you like bending over. They keep both cbt $ and your $ and everyone is happy....

[coral lake]

Not giving the devs the luxury of thinking we’re happy about it or we forgot about their decision making.

Most of us closed our wallet. Some of us have charge backed.

[viscid prism]

Yep, first was pvp/arena now is the aliance war matched vs CBT - what the hell are they thinking. Refund is working just fine, the hell with that mess

[fallen sundial]

GVG was global all along, thats nothing new

[coral lake]

I think most global players assumed and were told beta and non beta wouldn’t be mixed. Dunno how much one should be educated on researching a game before playing it to understanding all this carryover and season matchmaking rules

But the consensus was generally there would be segmentation between beta and non beta to create a fair environment

[viscid prism]

Putting CBT vs new players is a bad decision still and thats also nothing new

[coral lake]

There’s really no reason to keep the servers separated if essentially all of the competitive modes are mixed global/cbt matchups. The only thing not mixed is vortex

[viscid prism]

wait for it! Vortex is next 😉

[fallen sundial]

And the seasonleaderboards most important part for season end rewards

[viscid prism]

He is right, the ''amazing rich rewards'' at the end of the season and months away is what matters, not you being slaughtered daily by CBT and having a miserable experience throughout the season 😂

[fallen sundial]

It is not like its not the other way around too... i got kicked out of silver 3 by the new gold players from global, but i dint whine 😆

[polar dagger]

Tobi your delusional idk how your a mod

But than again I can see why you are I understand the representation for this game

Your a perfect fit

[viscid prism]

Mate @fallen sundial, you add no value here, so keep it quiet maybe

[fallen sundial]

It is my Personal opinion, just because i moderate diesnt mean i cant state them. And as we already told you, the devs are talking about it, and we dont know when or what they will decide, BUT i believe, not this season anymore.

And i got the question about how well to inform yourself before starting to play a game: thats totally Player thing, i do inform myself, others dont. The season based style Was the thing that got me caught to the game.

And yes, some decisions the devs take might not be popular, BUT they are necessary ( maybe not at this point though) to keep the game alive, otherwise content dies and the same 10 people compete allnover the place

I have seen enough games die because of the Server clustering... so i hope this approach helps to stay around a long time

[polar dagger]

Unadressing the state of the state of the game and neglecting top spenders of the game is a abysmal decision by the devs that they will regret I have whaled almost every mobile game with some of the top spenders in every mobile game and just remember nothing makes dragonheir better than the 100 other gachas on the marker or other 100 coming out well just move onto the next the devs are the losers in the long run leaving this unaddressed on a already highly highly questionable game regarding to its future and you guys are doing nothing but confirming this game will not succeed

[viscid prism]

ok, now we are getting somewhere with the info. thanks. I disagree that will keep players however. This will actually leave them with 10 people to compete as the other will go.

[fallen sundial]

Well, i am a discord mod and here to Adress stuff to the devs, they are informed, 2 of them have even posted in here already. Personally i would have not done it at this point, but i would have in this season (last third of it). Becaise no matter when this happens, there will always be players that dont like the decision and cbt will ALWAYS be ahead, season 1? Seaosn 2? Seaodn X? It is always +1 for cbt

[viscid prism]

We have members refunded and refunding at the moment as there is no point to compete vs CBT, that's the reality in our discord. Rest of us just not spending, no point. And to your point about whining, for sure will come from the people who invested in the game. But then this will be gone and I was thinking they wanted to keep people in and spending

[fallen sundial]

The problem with your Argumentation is, the issue will never be gone. If it would have been done next season, the issue would still be there...

And i have not read any real attempt to make a suggestion on how to handle this, without letting server-leaderboards die

[polar dagger]

Beta should never rollover into a global release that's the issue , hell even if you gave beta players tickets to spend what they spent in beta and not be ahead on banners etc it would have been more fair let them use there tickets and have a fair match on whatever we have accessible and yes as far as the saying people are whining I don't think you understand the value of money when you have players willing to spend thousands on pixels and you have the audacity to say they are whining

During these hard times we still decide to put our hard earned cash on pixels and we have no respect from the devs

So ya honestly there isn't enough whining

[viscid prism]

We posted the suggestions above in the topic. Hope someone read them

[polar dagger]

Also the treatment for beta players is always a massive L for any game release because no true whales ever touch beta in any game , and the whales that came here to find out this poor handling of beta on this game already running away 😆 @teal mural @viscid prism @coral lake @grand solstice and many many many more

I've seen these players in many games top of the leader boards every single game they play and you've already scared these players off in 3 days of this stupid beta merge

[fallen sundial]

Not a sugesstion to not let leaderboards die though

[polar dagger]

Quite impressive as I've never seen them react this way in any game

[final jewel]

Yes CBT shouldn’t be so fast against global players. It should have been advertised like « after first season, matchmaking will be cross-server » so you could anticipate and have a full season fair and square to catch up.
Not wake up one morning, lose 300 points in arena, and see cross-server people farming new players (3 weeks) with their old monthS accounts.

[polar dagger]

I have already seen 4 of the top 10 players on server 3 quit btw as well that we don't speak too

And coincidentally after release of beta pvp merge

Tsk tsk tsk

[viscid prism]

limit cross serve matching to cbt servers only and new player servers only. Whats the bid deal and what leaderboard dieing

there wont be leaderboards mate without people playing, thats the issue

[fallen sundial]

Players quit, leaderboards shrink, same few players compete. Thatsvehat i mean with dying leaderboards

[polar dagger]

I mean this is generic but you guys are accelerating this

Not fixing it

Lol

I've already seen half our server die since the release of cbt pvp merge

[coral lake]

Only allow defensive losses to hurt your points from local arena matchups. Delay blending playerbases until season 2. Don’t match cbt with global. Plenty of things to help balance it out

I understand not wanting ghost towns for matchups but we’re three weeks into the game. We don’t need to make ghost towns/player activity level decisions when the game barely came out.

[fallen sundial]

What would have been good tonprevent this issue here, something the discord teams is asking since cbt1... is a schedule tobpublish to the community, on what happens when (wirh a rough date, maybe not the exact as delays can occur)

[polar dagger]

We run a really big mobile gaming community that play almost every game and this has been the smallest interest of any game release in the past 3 years

And the few that did play already done

[coral lake]

They need to worry about server population more than cbt leaderboard population.

Calypso 3 server was closed for new players like five minutes after the game launched and has a pretty modest pop of players. Feels like they made 30-40 servers the first week which is absurd.

Especially if season rollover only happens within the same server. Non cbt servers are going to be 1/4 pop by season 3

[fallen sundial]

I understand your point and still the issue would be the same in season2 ...cbt would be ahead +1

And not fusing them was never said before, they always communicated: this is likely not gonna happen in season1, they never said it is impossible.

I personally thought too, this would only happen in season 2, i admit.

And about half the Server dying, i doubt that, but we cant check facts on that.

The discord team has adressed everything that has been said in here to the team, it is up to them now, to iterate the facts and decide whats best in their eyes.

[coral lake]

There’s a massive chasm of power difference between 3 weeks and 18 weeks

No accounts gonna be fleshed out or deeply invested 21 days into a game. By season 3/4 it will largely be irrelevant

It’s most impactful now and will become less impactful over time

[fallen sundial]

Every time a server reached max players (50k afaik) a new server opened up automatically, i think we are close to 30 now, but no way to check that from my behalf

[polar dagger]

@fallen sundial were pretty njcj the only whales on server 3 and helus godzero and therealtrp already quit 3 of the top 10 whales

Since release of cbt pvp

So the facts are there

[coral lake]

And the amount of daily active players has gotta be 10% of that already

[polar dagger]

But yes the power creep is insane and demoralizing to hard-core mobile whales like us

We join a game from release day for a reason

Every game we play

To be ahead of the game and to min max progress

This was stripped from us

[fallen sundial]

And Player leaving is the reason to fuse pvp/gvg, the Timing might not be great, thats opinionbased though, but it is necessary anyway. (My opinion)

[coral lake]

The problem is they’re choosing cbt over global. Burning your new players and spenders to satisfy your legacy spenders is a bold move that will likely hurt them more than playing in the middle (delaying the merged pvp to season 2) or favoring global (keeping cbt to their own sandbox)

[coral lake]

It’s eventually necessary, i agree - 21 days after a game launches is far too early to be making balancing/fairness decisions based on population.

[fallen sundial]

Well, if they still grant the rewards according to the server-ranking, and not the Global, there is no loss in rewards... thats how i understood Lydia or finos statement from above...

Oh wait... thats only the case if they scale down the losses to cbt2 players... hmmmm

And deduct that from the server leaderboards so the formerly gold spots will be gold on your own server...

[coral lake]

Factually wrong. Gold griffin is unattainable by global players let alone the wins halting to a stop by the wave of elecebre/hvitar/lossenia cbt walls. Alliance duel top ranks will also become cbt only top ranks

[fallen sundial]

See the rest of my Posting 😉 passed that on as well now.

[coral lake]

You get to 3k and you’re dealing with exclusively cbt whales with the most meta accounts. 2.6k and you’re dealing with mixed cbt.

100% of global leaderboards that I’ve seen have become extinct in gold griffin

Whereas before there were 3-6 players at that rank

[final jewel]

We had some people over 3k points (up to 3500) in gold griffin arena, and when cbt cross server went up , the very same day people couldnt’ get higher than 2600 or 2800 points. They just get farmed like fresh meat by very old accounts. So yes, they can keep their 1st arena server spot, but they can’t get the griffin rank. Same goes for team arena, and now in guild wars too. So the rewards loss are huge, just because new players are fighting old ones.

No wonder whales are refunding, and leaving this game when devs just don’t care. It’s their loss, not ours, we got our money back and will spend it in an other game.

[silver idol]

I dont get the argument here. there is absolutely a way to implement cross server pvp to be fair to all sides. Multiple simple ideas have been suggested. All modes of competitive play right now are unfair at the higher tiers. Just fix it. The only reason not to is because the devs are showing favoritism to beta players, or because they just do not care about fair game play.

[languid fog]

As mentioned previously, it's crucial for more content creators on platforms like YouTube to shed light on the current state of the game, particularly regarding the dominance of fully-maxed beta players in the global server. Competing against these seasoned beta players can be disheartening for those who didn't have the opportunity to participate in the beta phase.
It's evident that this company has already generated a substantial amount of revenue, exceeding $2+ million through microtransactions alone and the money flowing to Hong Kong bank account. This economic success has led to a lack of responsiveness to the concerns of the player community. A sound strategy would involve disseminating this information online to ensure that new players are not deceived as we may have been, helping them make informed decisions before getting deeply involved in the game. On my end if i knew this would have happened i would have never spent any$ on this game.

[grand solstice]

Let's clarify this as well.

Yes - cbt players will always be ahead, we know and understand this. However, the level of difference right now between the cbt and release servers is hugely unbalanced. They have had multiple chances to get some top-tier heroes on banners that we haven't even seen yet.
After 2 seasons of global release for example, we will be more closely balanced and then it would be suitable and acceptable to merge them into the cross-server competitions.

[astral hill]

Oh boy....well the bad news for you is that content creators are cbt players 😂. Very active during cbt too.

In fact 1 of them was complaining that cbt servers like cc1 was gonna die unless devs allowed new players to enter and join the cbt players....

[grand solstice]

<@&928573207978594304> Why bother with cross realm pvp and create all this drama if they are just gonna fill it with bots anyway?

[teal mural]

yeah I completely stopped doing pvp since the change

just seems like a way to get global spenders to spend even more to now catch up to the beta whales as well

so lost interest in that

[coral lake]

You don’t want to compete with these teams full of maxed off banner heroes global hasn’t had yet?

[teal mural]

lol

jesus

[last rune]

I couldn't read all the posts here but "merging" normally means the servers are dying and in this case new players are fed to CBT players to keep them happy.

[abstract lantern]

Posted in another thread but will post here as well to raise visibility. Absolute poor decision making that actually makes me no longer want to spend money on this game and questioning myself if I even want to continue playing. It is not a challenge for newer players or older ones when it comes to PVP. Its either you get slaughtered or you dominate. No in between.

[grand solstice]

Cbt players carrying over their rank in champion arena is peak as well.
Are the devs really this stupid?

[umbral flint]

So pay to win players are complaining that others have paid more than them?
This is hilarious. 😂

[coral lake]

Nope - nothing to do with volume of spend. Everything to do with amount of time, horns with better rates and better hero pools, and amount of featured banners they got to bring over. Nothing to do with spend.

Plenty of global players have spent as much money or more than cbt players but on worse banners for pvp meta

[umbral flint]

So pay to win players are complaining that others have paid more than them?
This is hilarious. 😂
x2

[fallen sundial]

Stop it.

[umbral flint]

You're right. I might hurt P2W players feelings.