HOJ mastery balancing/ideas/critiques

[velvet oasis]

hi all, this post is for discussion regarding the implementation of hero of justice mastery, pls feel free to comment ur thoughts and share possible balancing suggestions + concepts/changes.

i’ll be keeping up with this post to gauge yalls overall opinions on the mastery so speak ur mind pls

[hoary yarrow]

40+ DMG ranged attack 🤑🤑

was that your idea?

[velvet oasis]

No

[main ravine]

everything sucks except E

[hoary yarrow]

the Q is unavoidable stun. its pretty powerful.

and the R extends your hitbox

so like

is ur entire personality spouting insane takes broski

[main ravine]

R hitbox is REALLY bad

[hoary yarrow]

cause it cant reach 20 studs

[velvet oasis]

free escape and or harmony w E

[main ravine]

i agree with Q stun

but holy R is REALLY bad

[hoary yarrow]

i guess the wind up is slow

cause unmas's E deserved the wind up due to how powerful it was

[main ravine]

tell me how a mastery have less content that the base ability

[hoary yarrow]

it has four moves

unmas has four moves

so like broski

[main ravine]

nuh uh

unm have 6

[velvet oasis]

i wanted to make the swords swap have a different moveset

[hoary yarrow]

the swap and Q in dimension dont count

[main ravine]

yes count

[velvet oasis]

smthin like this

[hoary yarrow]

thatd be aura

[main ravine]

how AW have copyright perms for fate btw

[hoary yarrow]

maybe not that

[velvet oasis]

yah

[hoary yarrow]

it obviously doesnt

[velvet oasis]

maybe not dat

u can always change up the concept doe

[hoary yarrow]

wait broski whats ur opinion on saber turning into a knight

[velvet oasis]

hate it

[hoary yarrow]

knew it

lmao

why did they do that 😭

[velvet oasis]

they’re very stubborn about it

and no, it’s not bc of dmca issues

[main ravine]

for me unm is better than mastery HoJ icl

[hoary yarrow]

whyd they have to make it so lame 💔💔

[velvet oasis]

idk

[velvet oasis]

yah idk…

def not

[hoary yarrow]

well its good if players can choose between them

also 40DMG ranged attacks and unavoidable stun may have SOME potential

so i doubt the unmas is better

[velvet oasis]

i generally feel like the dmg output should be reduced quite heavily

[main ravine]

idk i feel without E dmg hoj mastery would be really bum

[hoary yarrow]

yeah the E move feels a bit overtuned 😭

[velvet oasis]

that’s what i suggested b4 release so calm down

[hoary yarrow]

no i think it'd be more balanced

[main ravine]

ah yea

Q don't even apply windup

u can use E mid Q

[hoary yarrow]

so they just ignored you 🔥

[main ravine]

or punch mid Q

[velvet oasis]

[leaden lynx]

Eh its decent ig

[hoary yarrow]

honestly it might be smth you have to get used to before it being absolutely insane and deserves a nerf

[leaden lynx]

i wish EA had a bigger range

[hoary yarrow]

bruh dont buff E 😭💔

[velvet oasis]

ea is kinda just always fixed on one location once it starts up

so

it’s like

just move away if ur lucky enough

again doe idk if a buff would be cool since its quite easy to get 3 kills w hojm rn

[leaden lynx]

And i wish the chains were like

Something you can actually throw out like bounty hunters webs but not that crazy of a range

It feels underwhelming

[hoary yarrow]

OH WAIT

EA is the R

im a fucking dumbass

[velvet oasis]

yah

[main ravine]

No like
I think should be nerfed
Literally makes E a true combo bro

[leaden lynx]

cant help but feel this was a wasted potential

heavens feel shirou was right there

[velvet oasis]

thas what i told them

[clever tusk]

@velvet oasis what did u do

this did not cook

[velvet oasis]

GO AWAY!

[clever tusk]

what

a former tester cant offer critique?

e needs a damage nerf q is ok if e gets nerfed

r needs a buff

especaily enuma eilish

😭

[velvet oasis]

i think r needs to be cooler overall

[clever tusk]

maybe make it like a faster cast so u can chain it with the Q

[velvet oasis]

i think if we gave this ability a teleport and heals that track and an ult that super buffs everyone and a chug jug it would be rlly good

[velvet oasis]

ok calm down

i think ur losing me

[clever tusk]

like

make enuma eilish cast faster

so you can use it when they're stunned

or just make it bigger

it just

sucks rn

theres no reason to get 3 kills and use it

the sword also has a wonky hitbox

should just get the normal carrot hitbox

[velvet oasis]

what if

u could just move it

i think that would fix everything

[velvet oasis]

better

[clever tusk]

then make it a slighter bigger hitbox

and

make it so u go higher in the sky

so the aiming of it matter

if i was tester agaiun i could fix this ability

💔

also can we buff spring

[velvet oasis]

LOL!

[bitter jolt]

Why was I already told that E does 80+ damage and has insane aim assist

I will check it out for myself later but I am already expecting the mastery itself to be the rob mastery of ability wars

Also on an unrelated note that barrier "nerf" seems more like a buff concealed as a nerf

The 2 second cooldown increase changes almost nothing and now it just straight up punishes people for using their projectile ability

[velvet oasis]

it does around 80 dmg if they’re standing still

[bitter jolt]

And the barrier passive change?

[velvet oasis]

this post isn’t about barrier

[visual parcel]

i have a few critiques about the boss fight itself atm
i feel like the boss fight was rushed too quickly when hoj won the mastery votes
it just feels like useless projectile spam that finds a way to corner you and reset your run
currently some attacks chain one on top of the other creating for situations where you completely have no way of getting out of damage such as when the straight line arrows and the sword field attack chain on top of eachother where the slower moving swords which mark as a safe zone are in the range of the arrows
the way to damage the boss is also really terrible imo
paladin mastery had this cool gimmick of forcing the boss into the pillars to stun them

hoj mas is just use e until the boss dies maybe an idea could be to give the player a sword that does slightly more damage then the e during the boss fight as well as give the boss some form of way to get stunned/temporarily stop using attacks
also make attacks cancel when you die

[main ravine]

U can kill paladin boss without making him stun on pillars

[visual parcel]

ik but

its a neat gimmick

[steep cove]

hopefully UBW is added into the mastery as a better version of the non mastered version.

[deft magnet]

please nerf it

The ranged attack does too much damage

it can do 90% of your health in one ability

[velvet oasis]

ima tussle w the boss men about this

i proposed it b4 launch but ig they didn’t see it

(an overall dmg output nerf)

[deft magnet]

I think the issue is that the RANGED part of the ability is way more rewarding than the stunner that can be dodged more properly, I dont own this mastery so take it with a grain of salt, but I have fought against a ton of them at the same time, and the main issue is that while everything else will barely get you low (as usual) the ranged attack can take over 70% of your total health

In one use

[velvet oasis]

yeah, the dmg output is just way too high and it doesn’t help that the Q resonates with the E too well

[deft magnet]

basically

[west cloak]

Pls nerf the boss for mobile player

[quartz pier]

I want the stun and sword move combo NERF it's way too strong if u have average speed now imgainr this u get stunned now 80 dmg to ur face then they pull out the sword thing and stab u to death it's literally just staying back

[livid wing]

The bossfight in itself is fine, its just that It causes the Game Recov to just spike up, making it just a 50/50 guessing when ur screen freezes (iv tryed to reduce the Graphics, but nothing changed)(this is a very common issue with almots all bossfights in the game.)

but generly speaking, i suggest the devs to stop making bossfights related unlocks, cuz its just not made for the server and the game itself.

[quartz pier]

I thought hoj mastrey wqs actually to kill urself using the ability ? I hate boss releated fights ESPECISALLY BIND CUS WYDM AFTER FINALLY GETTING A UFO USER I Basically struggle against it or I lag a ton I hope this is the last one tbj

[west cloak]

Its hard for other user ?

[steady pulsar]

Really wish it still had it's portal, that was for me one of the best parts of unmastered

[west cloak]

Who is harder hoj mas or bricks battle

[quartz pier]

The portal isn't a problem for me tbh u can move right east or left west or west north to dodge it

[steady pulsar]

Was still a really cool feature, was wishing mastery would have more control over it's dimension, like gingerbread where they can perm open or close the portal

[west cloak]

[quartz pier]

I think it should be like minions spawn in the portal now liek the hoj minion can be in the portal and there's like 2 of them and the hoj has increased movement or smth but it should be hard for someone to get in the dimeson as compastion

[steady pulsar]

Oooo yes

[quartz pier]

If the mastrey was like this IT would have made it better then the orginal not that op but still better then the original that's what mastreys are for

[steady pulsar]

Mhm

[west cloak]

Why hoj mas is that hard >:/

[quartz pier]

Idk but I heard it was spam E simulator by someone of my friends

[steady pulsar]

Mastery is either the easiest or hardest battle for people 🥲

I did it in 2

Also gtg

[west cloak]

Nah i gonna pay someone for do the bos in my account

[quartz pier]

Dude don't

U might get hacked

Never trust someone with ur account

[west cloak]

Oh right

I will wait for a nerf or something else

[quartz pier]

I think if the boss gets nerfed so will the ability (which I am glad for)

[west cloak]

Me too but its gonna be long bc for coded the boss and reduce lag

I just think they gonna nerf the dam

[quartz pier]

For now just practice the boss fight it Will definitely help

[west cloak]

Yeah

Thx

[quartz pier]

Np

[west cloak]

Write azmadamrare for add me

We can’t chat in roblox

If your are in the same group years :/

[quartz pier]

My age group got rested because the system though I was acting like a 16-17 age group so it got rested

I was in 21+ age group

[west cloak]

Useless roblox update im 13-15 :/

[bitter jolt]

ok why the hell does it do 80 damage

why does E do 80 damage

[deft magnet]

people still say it's weak btw

they aim like shit

then blame the mastery

[bitter jolt]

morons

[kindred prairie]

MAYBE MAKE THE BOSS LITTLE LESS RNG BASED AND NERF THE 40 DAMGE PLEASE?

[pliant steppe]

the boss can attack you right as you spawn in and the hitmarkers to show where its gonna attack are not accurate and i find myself getting hit by its attacks when i am far out of the hit range that is displayed

[wraith holly]

Hoj mastery just feels very very rushed to me

Like the bossfight isn't very interesting

Its pretty easy too

And the ability doesn't feel special either

[wraith holly]

Also i did the boss in like 10 tries total but half the time i was insta hit right after starting so i just reset to have max hp

[wraith holly]

Also i just tried actually playing in a public server and it's annoyingly op

Its just not fun to see it

And theyre everywhere too

Because it's easy as hell to get

Sorry but this update is just bullshit

[velvet oasis]

i think getting hit as u spawn in will get a patch since it’s something we called out during testing, and the indicators being weird is prolly cuz of high ping

[pliant steppe]

i only had like 12 ping during jt

[velvet oasis]

idk what to tell u cuz i have around 30ish ping and the indicators r just fine for me

although there is definitely lag in the boss fight

prolly cuz of particles

[visual parcel]

fine??? its terrible

[deft magnet]

this mastery is MISERABLE to play against

[livid wing]

by fine, i mean the moves or more like the damage locations, its just not fit for a roblox game, that it, the concept in itself is fine, but the way it was implemented is terrible., if we could call this way.

[fallow hemlock]

Hi echidnectar, i am here to inform you about the hoj boss being unbalanced and with my low performance device i simply cant beat it with its near impossible to react to abilities and how much they do, please we need to nerf the boss's damage at the very least.

[velvet oasis]

i feel like it’s solely a problem with optimization rather than balancing; the boss fight is supposed to be hard

[fallow hemlock]

Yeah but please if possible the damage should be nerfed

broke ahh ppl like me cant beat it if they have a poor performance device😭

one move does more than half hp

one wrong step and it would be over

[velvet oasis]

the big sword?

[lofty solar]

The boss fight wasn't really fun to play, its just projectile spam and sometimes there would be no way to dodge the sword since the boss can do multiple attacks at once.

With the mastery, its cool, but i personally like normal hoj more than the mastery

ALSO with the boss fight

The big sword is impossible to dodge if you stopped moving a single second before the attack

And since the sword can do ~1/3 of your hp

[velvet oasis]

u have to be constantly moving

personally the big sword only hits me if i’ve been stunned from a different move

[velvet oasis]

it’s coded like that on purpose

[lofty solar]

Its hard to be constantly moving when your on mobile and you have to pause to aim to attack the boss

[velvet oasis]

u gotta play claw

[lofty solar]

But besides the criticisms I feel like the boss idea and ability are really cool

[fallow hemlock]

i mean the one that he uses to airstrike you

[steady pulsar]

Ngl, wish the R move was just another attack instead of a kill streak attack, should be of coures weaker and have a long cooldown, but yeah

[fair yacht]

This mast doesn't feel too interesting compared to the unmastered version
The mast feels too rushed and is unfun to play against

[steady pulsar]

Yeah

I want the portal 😔

[deft magnet]

this mastery is nothing more than OP flashy effects spam

[clever tusk]

w caw plug

[deft magnet]

It's burger but exaggerately better and flashy which also has an ability that locks people in place and a sword better than brickbattler

[velvet oasis]

lord heavens no

god forbid

[clever tusk]

hey guys i help run CAW w caw plug

we love hero of justice mastery 🔥

[clever tusk]

what went through so far to the big tester team

are we buffing enuma eilish

because its useless

[velvet oasis]

will make a suggestion soon

[clever tusk]

chop chop ochem

buff spring

[blissful anvil]

the entire thing is completely terrible for AW honestly

Q is just barrier E but slightly less annoying as hell

E just instakills when used right with Q and is free damage

R is either free range or a trash beam

unnerfed alch was more balanced

[grand wolf]

here are my thoughts: The unmastered HOJ feels like a upgrade to the mastered one cuz of a few things:
First of all the mastery doesnt have the two things people liked about the unmastered version, that being the minion and the "domain"
The so called domain was really fun as it made you feel very powerfuul and a great reward for completing all the badges, and the minion was a very unique thing no one has seen before so the removal of these things suck.

heres my personal opinion to repair this:
E: can stay as it is, being able to gilgamesh is really fun and is honelly the best thing about the mastery as of right now.
Q: instead of the chains that work very weirdly ther ecould be a minion spawn hoever it would be a kind of archer like the one u have in the unmastered hoj just without the explosion and with lower damage.
R: At max charge would teleport you to the domain

Also in the domain: your R unsheatches the sword making it very powerful nad giving you good range and once summoned, pressig it again would make a spin slash.
the Q would summon 3 minions with a that two of them have swords and one is a archer but with slightly more damage.
the E would do the same thing.
Also the passive in the normal would would be haveing your swrod all the time, and the kill bar would be raplaced with a % bar as kills are unreliable to get and the % feel much more fun.

The e could have a lil less dmg tho

It is not fun. it is powerful.

[lost osprey]

Hoj mastery is like giving the range of bounty Mas and damage of vampire to fucking burger

It takes no skill, can hit you from ANYWHERE, you can aim the swords, it’s horrid.

Remove the sword aiming and it be honest it wouldn’t be as miserable of an ability, just hard to kill.

It’s just burger but you can aim it. It’s bullshit 😭

The hitbox for the little sword thingie is just as bad, and I thought you REMOVED shackle?? Isn’t the fact you can stop someone from moving entirely the reason shackle was removed??? What the fuck were you all on like genuinely

[lost osprey]

It’s just flashing effects that slow your game to a crawl, unavoidable projectiles, and a lack of what made Hoj special in the first place.

Now all it is is hero of just piss.

[velvet oasis]

i’m confused as to how this would work if u couldn’t aim the swords

[lost osprey]

It would let the opponent actually be able to dodge lmao

[velvet oasis]

how would the swords behave if u can’t aim them

is it tracking or

[lost osprey]

Make it like burger

[velvet oasis]

u aim with burger

[lost osprey]

The thing this is copying

Yeah

You don’t control it when its firing

You do know that’s what I meant right

Make it like burger, not able to move the swords when they’re being shot out, but during the charging period

[velvet oasis]

u can aim while shooting with burger

it’s just dat the rate of fire with burger is much faster

and you’re only firing for around a second or two

[pure heart]

Reduce the vfx and the debis in the boss fight

My game lags so much i can't even fight eithout having my game almost freeze

Also
Recude the swords on the one move for the boss,

Way too many for you if your on a console,

Youll lag too much

[jade osprey]

Litteraly a concept of what if sans gingerbread and mummy had a baby ahh mastery

Overused concept of getting high dmg/killstreak for strong ability

[velvet oasis]

it’s just a gilgamesh kit

not much u can rlly do with him

[jade osprey]

Ngl atp it should be a default form of hoj instead

Lol

[velvet oasis]

the mastery just has way more dps available to it

[jade osprey]

Littery chain + swords

70% dmg

Btw

[velvet oasis]

yeah

[jade osprey]

Oneshot combo

If someones wounded then it's a practicly a finisher already

[jade osprey]

But i love how they reworked saber

Finally fixed

TROUGH 4 UPDATES BTW

WAS BROKEN

GLITCHED

[velvet oasis]

wdym

[jade osprey]

BUGGED

[velvet oasis]

oh

like how the ai sticks with u ?

[jade osprey]

Ai bugged

[velvet oasis]

i personally never had dat much problems w the ai

[jade osprey]

Ye

Now it works she follows you but atacks nearest target

[velvet oasis]

besides the targeting one person

[velvet oasis]

yah it’s just an ai upgrade

[jade osprey]

If to far away she comes back

[velvet oasis]

not rlly a bug fix

[jade osprey]

Also

I'd prefer her to work that she follows you and only atacks those who you hit or you get hit by them

So i can sorta use it mid 2v2

And not atack my teammate

[high thunder]

revert the update or super nerf the damage of the sword throws on chained users

[vague jewel]

enuma elish genuinely just shoots in random directions

i cant even fucking use it

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/meuI2kxmpGZC5m_dx?invite=cr-MSxEQ0csNDE1MzIyOTcw&v=13

[velvet oasis]

wtf

[velvet oasis]

it’s damage output is way too high fosure

[bitter jolt]

• Number 1: rushed bossfight
  The boss is just projectile spam + that one recycled sword attack from day of deus. The gameplay is just pray you don't get locked in a combo and spam E until you win, which lasts even shorter than day of deus. The boss isn't even difficult it's just unfun
• Number 2: The ability itself
  • Why the hell does E do 80 damage? Why does it have aim assist on top of the big damage? Did we learn nothing from the volley incident?
  • Q is just an unavoidable stun, especially obnoxious when paired with E for guaranteed 80 damage
  • R is fine, it's just a reskin of unmas HOJ E
  • R.1 (the laser of die) feels like it doesn't do anything, it may be just me but it just keeps aiming towards the center and doesn't do jack
    The ability feels rushed and in terms of actual fun a downgrade fompared to unmas. For a mastery of an ability that is locked behind a lot of badges, I expected something more complex and difficult to use, not yet another addition to the "rangeslop" category
• Number 3: other stuff I found/knew
  • E is just a better version of defender mastery 2nd path archer ability (lightstorm), does archer just not exist now?
  • E has no spawn cooldown, so yoy can respawn cycle E and kill people with 0 counterplay other than hiding in a cave
  • R.1 can be charged by killing aliens, probably includes other NPCs

[golden patrol]

Dawg the freaking boss fight is so impossible on low end devices i lowk get 12 to 5 fps as soon as the fight starts

[bitter jolt]

And now every angry child will be using HOJ mastery to target you should you kill them once, that includes the super poorly balanced E

Do we just not test updates anymore?

[bitter jolt]

Corporate needs you to find the differences between this picture and this picture

[velvet oasis]

the archer light storm ability is based on gilgamesh

hoj mastery is just gilgamesh

[bitter jolt]

Both are based on gilgamesh I know but

HOJ mas E just

Is better

[velvet oasis]

yes

[bitter jolt]

Than archer mas version of gilgamesh thing

[velvet oasis]

id hope so

[bitter jolt]

so like, what about the other things mentioned

[velvet oasis]

they’re already critiques i’ve seen before

[bitter jolt]

And will they be fixed?

[velvet oasis]

everyone’s painfully aware of the insane dmg output that E has

[bitter jolt]

Or is it going to be like volley where it becomes reasonable only after 7 months

[velvet oasis]

idk we shall see

i’ll ask for a hotfix once i compile a list of suggestions

[bitter jolt]

And tell checken to readd hitstun to crossbow

[velvet oasis]

and yes i’m also aware that it feeds on npcs as well

ima suggest to fix up enuma elish’s hitbox as well and probably make it more moveable

[bitter jolt]

And tell checken to add a spawn cooldown to E

So people can't respawn cycle that

[velvet oasis]

already planned

they should generally just add that universally

[bitter jolt]

Yes, good

[outer horizon]

I feel the mastery was a step down from the original; from multi-mode, unique ability with its own combat realm, npc, and weapon (we overall don’t see abilities that change m1s temporarily) to just another normal e q r (albeit the r is unique in having a charge and two different ways to use it, and relying on kills rather than damage for the bar) is kinda underwhelming. While I myself don’t have ideas to make hoj more unique or match the base, I feel hoj didn’t deserve a mastery for a similar reason: you really can’t really top base hoj and make it not underwhelming.

Kinda detailed criticism, although I don’t have much to add into any of this other than the fact that “mode” abilities weren’t gonna get masteries, and defender was an exception, so it should’ve been excluded in the poll afterwards for top 10. (brickbattler was also excluded, so I feel this poll was favoring hoj a lot.)

I should prolly format that a lil hold on

[velvet oasis]

i personally also didn’t like the concept of hoj mastery

i know what u mean

i’ve already said this multiple times but i personally wanted a move shift/swap upon using r to summon your weapon

even then tho i didn’t like the overall concept regardless

[outer horizon]

Yeah I feel like this could’ve been more given time and ideas, but we were overdue for an update and needed something. Delay wasn’t that much of an option.

I can understand why it is how it is

But it still could’ve been much more (or just not have happened if excluded like bb)

[high thunder]

for some reason it only aims at the center of the map

and not where youre looking

[jade osprey]

I have a suggestion to turn its mastery version into unmastered version

Bc unmas is just cooler overall

U get ur own servant big dmg swords a bow that can knock unmas ufo users and other stuff and also a domain

[jade osprey]

Also this hoj mastery has 0 originality

Concept of getting dmg or kills for big ability is overused to much

Sans has it

Mystic has it

Railgun has it

And ect

And also

As you pointed out

Archer thingy is litteraly copy n paste

[kindred prairie]

The update feels rushed even the secret ability is just bullshit

[livid wing]

Its not finished, that why.....the secret ability.

[steady pulsar]

Then it shouldn't have been released, they didn't have a deadline they could have taken their time 🥲

[livid wing]

The secret ability got released for feedback on how the community wanted it to grow and change depending on what we wanted.....

that the reason its a secret ability and not a ''normal'' one

[steady pulsar]

I have no problem with the secret ability

[livid wing]

then why did u respond.....

i was talking about the secret ability

[steady pulsar]

You didn't have secret ability when I did-

[livid wing]

i was responding to ''the secret ability is just bullshit'' ofc the rest has his downsides, but calling an secret ability that is not finished ''bullshit'' its just being childish.

[livid wing]

i litterly changed the message while u started writing, so idk what to tell ya.

[quasi prawn]

One if the funniest things at regular Hero of justice was Q at archer mode, i guess if fhey somehow Mastery was able to use it too, Hero of justice would be funnier to play

[steady pulsar]

FR idk why mastery doesn't have the portal

[fair yacht]

They gotta nerf the E move asap
Is annoying to enter a server a instantly get one-shotted because 6 people are using hoj mast

[blissful anvil]

just straight-up remove Q

it allows for undodgable one-shotting, wall combos anywhere, and is just annoying af

[lofty solar]

The q is basically just like shackle and I can imagine it being used to kill a dos

[blissful anvil]

i already saw it kill a 250 DOS with the Q+E oneshot combo

[lofty solar]

That's just fucking stupid you can do a oneshot combo with basically no skill

[blissful anvil]

there are 6 oneshot hoj mas combos as far as i currently know

[lofty solar]

Holy shit

God damn i didn't know there was that many

[frozen marsh]

Q is good

[blissful anvil]

Keeping track of the oneshot combos of HOJ:
R+E
Q+E
R+Q+combo
Fully charged R+Q
E+punch+ragdoll
Q+combo+wall
Q+void
E+Q+R
R+combo+full R
full R+E
R+void
Q+fullcombo
full R+slowcombo
combo+Q+combo
full R+Q+combo
combo+Q+void
Q+wallbounce+combo
E+Q+wallbounce+combo
combo+wallbounce+E
full R(by itself)
combo+Q+wallbounce+void
Q+wall
Q+mushroom
Q+R+wall
combo+Q+combo+E
combo+wallbounce+wallbounce+Q+combo
E+combo+wallbounce(assuming landing 2/3 of the projectiles)

27 so far

[frozen marsh]

if it wasn't beside moves that instakill if the opponent isn't moving

[blissful anvil]

it's a free wall combo

[blissful anvil]

it's actually 11 so far

i forgot there's walls and the void

[lofty solar]

Oh. My. God

HOW ARE THERE SO MANY

[blissful anvil]

and counting

lemme see

[blissful anvil]

nvm 16

[lofty solar]

That's actually insane

We need a nerf asap

[blissful anvil]

still thinking abt more

[blissful anvil]

21 and counting

[lofty solar]

I dont have any words thats like 3x more than what you originally thought

[blissful anvil]

and not even all of them

[lofty solar]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[blissful anvil]

it is now 27

[lofty solar]

LOL

[velvet oasis]

the boss is fairly easy

besides the optimization issues it’s fine

[silent aspen]

REMOVE THAT STUPID BUBBLE

[blissful anvil]

but the optimization is the main problem

[silent aspen]

IT KEEPS BUGGING AND FLINGING ME

AND WHEN ITS BACK TO NORMAL I DIE AND HE HEALS

[blissful anvil]

i literally had to turn off my wifi to kill the boss

repeatedly

[velvet oasis]

i can still do a hitless run regardless

[silent aspen]

the boss is easy but not with thay stupid flinging area

its bugged

[velvet oasis]

whattttttt

[blissful anvil]

Wait, really!?!? The biggest fan of HOJ in the entire server is good at fighting the HOJ boss?? NO WAY!!!

[silent aspen]

when u get too close u get knocked back

it keeps bugging, freezing, and resetting

[blissful anvil]

also don't forget that the boss spawncamps you when you get to phase 2 attacks

[silent aspen]

FR

i cant play without the game glitching out

[blissful anvil]

don't forget about the 27 hoj oneshot combos

[silent aspen]

bruh

[blissful anvil]

listed above

[blissful anvil]

tada

[silent aspen]

im about to cru

cry*

[velvet oasis]

to the boss ?

[silent aspen]

to space

[silent aspen]

ye

[blissful anvil]

alternative moon badge obtainment???

[velvet oasis]

thas intended

[silent aspen]

…

[velvet oasis]

i personally use it for hitless runs too

[silent aspen]

i dont think its supposed to send u flying to the opposite side of the map and kill u while the game freezes

[velvet oasis]

prolly not no

[blissful anvil]

"it's not a bug, it's a feature"
-aw devs every time someone finds a bug in the new update

[silent aspen]

its happened 5 times

ts pmo sb

[velvet oasis]

i thought u meant like the purposely incorporated slight pushback when u get too close to bro

[silent aspen]

i want to kill one of them

then i have real life accomplishment : D

pro: me
con: slower updates

[silent aspen]

do you mean slightly exiting the atmosphere

[velvet oasis]

No

[silent aspen]

then no

that’s definitely not it

[velvet oasis]

how bizarre

[silent aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-tas-dcau-cartoon-bizarro-gif-18447770

[lofty solar]

Hitless?! That would just take really good rng

Especially since the boss can do multiple moves at once

[hoary yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/jjba-jojos-joestar-joseph-omg-gif-5125168

[high thunder]

why the fuck is the bossfight making my ping skyrocket to 1k

??

[lofty solar]

Its all the dumb vfx

[blissful anvil]

turn off your wifi repeatedly to kill it

[high thunder]

already killed it legit

[lofty solar]

The more I play with it, hoj mastery is kinda mid and generic and doesn't really add anything besides another op ability sweats will spam. I was excited from the teasers they gave us but disappointed of the delivery

Pls add actually unique abilities and masteries

[steady pulsar]

Fr, I though it was gonna have it's own unique dimension

[lofty solar]

Same

[upbeat granite]

was this ability made more with the idea of gilgamesh from fate rather than sabre?

[velvet oasis]

just completely gilgamesh

[upbeat granite]

m makes sense then

[silent aspen]

this is frickin horse crap

the screem shake is not necessary.

just laggy

ts is pure evil

[upbeat granite]

i feel like many have said this, but its just a side grade, not an upgrade

[deft magnet]

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SAID IT

If you look deeper

hoj mas is actually an amalgamation of other abilities

Burger, bind, defender and bone mas ult

[velvet oasis]

bro named 2 gilgamesh references

[weak saffron]

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/mewPt92dJgLlmfml9?invite=cr-MSw5b2osMjYzNjE5MzA2&v=6

[bitter jolt]

Question, does the HOJ mas R have the same stats as unmas HOJ base E

aka the sword summon

[blissful anvil]

Today on 27 oneshot combos...

[velvet oasis]

idk id test n see but it’s bugged rn

[native rapids]

HOJ better than HOJ mastery

One create big arrow, téléporte to a dimension where you are strong, spam a knight and have sword

The other block semone, fire some arrow, a sword and a big laser

[weak saffron]

from a design and gameplay standpoint, yes

from a strength standpoint, not even close

hoj mastery is basically a ranged oneshot

[native rapids]

Yes it's for just kill or the other is more Humm good and the big arrow is good too soo I think HOJ mastery need a rework something for him better summon something

[weak saffron]

it needs a nerf and a rework

[native rapids]

HOK original ok or the other one hum 2phase same than the other one is archer so lunch very arrow and send him something, the other phase you get the sword and the laser and laser 3kill with sword

[wary swan]

90 damage forced combo by charging Q and using E, what were you THINKING? (q damage needs a slight nerf)

also the sword makes your m1s deal way too much damage, i think its like 20 rn

[wary swan]

i think the mastery one adds more damage, but even if it didnt it's way better due to punches not gaining like any windup.

[distant lagoon]

i think that if i beat the boss first try that means it

's too easy

lowk can we move the apostrophe key

[zenith sapphire]

it's too hard to get imo

[minor token]

For the boss battle

Add a small amount of immunity after being hit

To avoid being completely oneshotted

[west cloak]

Die at 7% 🙁

[cerulean scroll]

... i have low fps when shooting swords, and i sometimes cant even dodge the swords due to lag and get comboes like bro.

[livid wing]

i think that att leat something that should be done is making so getting hit by a single sowrd should not slow you down, cuz that just a free card to get hit by the rest of the volley.

[modest marlin]

just getting the mastery is already too laggy to do because it renders each part seprate

[steel scarab]

why is it gilgamesh

[velvet oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/fate-strange-fake-gilgamesh-charming-king-of-heroes-gif-14256838326186784323

hojm has been nerfed slightly (max dmg upon hitting every sword = 70 hp) lmk chat

ik it’s prolly not nearly enough anyways at least imo

[steel scarab]

amazing

[native plinth]

Is it me or the death ray is just ummm, buggy?

[velvet oasis]

how so

[livid wing]

u cant rlly aim it, it just weird how the aiming works, sometimes it works, sometimes it does not.

[bitter jolt]

It went from overtuned to sliiightly less overtuned, but still overtuned

Average aw balance change

[cerulean scroll]

Nop it anmt averau

[earnest zephyr]

Rn I would still nerf the sword ranged stuff, and then buff the sword melee thing

That would be my personal route

As melee abilities are always better to fight than ranged

[cerulean scroll]

You know this for hoj mastery

[earnest zephyr]

Yeah

I don’t know what the moves are called okay?

[alpine quarry]

how abt it undergoes divine smite and we delete it type shi

best fix oat

[strong geode]

Buff bossfight

[steady pulsar]

Add 8 more attacks to the boss fight

[lofty solar]

Make the boss have infinite HP and do infinite damage

[zenith sapphire]

the hitbox is bigger than it looks i got killed and i was outside of the red circle

[west cloak]

Bro its already hard

I will never get the mas if we do that

[steady pulsar]

Lies, add 100 more of those big red circles

[west cloak]

Bro i will never beat it

[young schooner]

the fight sucks, you don't heal at all, if you could heal PASSIVE, not through some bullshit thing where theres orbs, like i mean healing as a passive, and make the cd shorter

[blissful anvil]

32 oneshot combos:

[lofty solar]

[modest sundial]

the biggest problem is how unrewarding the beam u get at 3 kills, i mean its very situational but should be changed, also the whole arsenal of hoj mastery is kinda mediocre, normal hoj is better (mostly beacuse saber & and the dimension but still)

[steady pulsar]

It should have just been another attack, with a long cooldown, instead of a kill streak

[modest sundial]

but ngl i prefer if it was a percentage like bone mastery but charges less fast per hit/ability hit, idk if theyll change it but u dont even get a kill charge if u kill someone by hitting them off the map which is why percentage is probbaly better imo because if u hit someone off u still get charge cuz u hit them

and like actual combat wise normal hoj is relatively better than mastery hoj, saber is already kinda annoying to deal with(depending on the circumstances), the dimension has like a 50 50 to not even teleport the other guy back to spawn map (idk if they fixed tat yet)

[steady pulsar]

Oh yeah, a hit charge like railgun or bone mastery would also work

[stuck horizon]

the Q hitbox is unfathomably bad, you could go at the direction of your enemy and the hitbox will still somehow miss

[weak saffron]

why are we spreading misinformation online

[stuck horizon]

it happened to me alot

Im just speaking from personal experience

[weak saffron]

could be a ping thing then idk

🤔

👀

[bitter jolt]

This has been said before but for a mastery of an ability that requires a lot of badges, I expected it to have a lot of complexity and not yet another rangeslop ability that does over 50 damage with one move

Then again, with the current track record checken has, I am not surprised

[golden patrol]

I can 101% AGREE

[bitter jolt]

HOJ mqstery exists for the sake of existing and innovates on nothing

[hoary yarrow]

HoJ mqstery

[bitter jolt]

ok rabbit main

[hoary yarrow]

SOME DAY SOME DAY

[main ravine]

#1 rabbit hater is going main rabbit?

must be that pfp

i know this pfp is corrupting you

go back to mustache one

[cerulean scroll]

guys i tried many times defeat yourself on mobile i couldnt, but when i got on my pc (i didnt do any warm up), on first try i got the boss to 10%, and i won on the third to fourth try, even tho the boss is easy on pc, it is hell on mobile, bisically nerf boss on mobile and buff for pc players

[livid wing]

this critique has been mentioned already many times......

[lofty solar]

I beat the boss on mobile and it was actually easier than PC lol

[cerulean scroll]

iforgot to mention lag

[novel hemlock]

ngl i dont want the operator badge to be a part in ability warrior badge.

its just to stressing at the start

[sage osprey]

dont nerf the hero of justice

the hero of justice must be strong because this is one of the most difficult abilities to gain in the game.

[weak saffron]

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/mewPt92dJgLlmfml9?invite=cr-MSw3VEcsMjYzNjE5MzA2&v=6

meanwhile hero of justice being able to oneshot you in whats basically an undodgeable combo

[weak saffron]

just because it is the hardest to obtain doesn't mean it is actually that difficult
additionally, once players have it, they are free to use it to their heart's content, its not even limited or anything meaning players WILL eventually get it

and then the issue of the ability being so overpowered arises once more

[cerulean scroll]

Btw guys my suggestion is cool https://discord.com/channels/922921165373202463/1478389974687682633

[sage osprey]

so not everyone is as strong as you are I would never be able to make a combo like you did

[wraith holly]

Dude just wants to use op things

[copper delta]

Make it so that the death ray dont aim and stay at one place

[alpine quarry]

how do you even fix this joint

it being unbalanced aint even da biggest problem imo

[blissful anvil]

nobody:
hoj mas having 31 oneshot combos that don't involve wall-comboing:

legitimately just remove it

[distant lagoon]

w meme format

w feedback

[real dawn]

ERF THE FUCKING BOSS

NERF

[velvet oasis]

what aspect of it

[drowsy osprey]

Make a barrage swords in domain hoj non mastery holding q key and not spam clicking q

[quartz pier]

I think we can all agree it needs a nerf it's been fucking 1 month

[opal moat]

It got a nerf like 2 weeks ago

[bitter jolt]

The max damage went down by 10
So from 80 to 70, it still sucks to fight against

No wait are we talking about unmas or mas hoj

I may be slow

[opal moat]

Mastery

[west cloak]

Bro pls nerf it for mobile player i still don’t a have it

[west cloak]

I give up...

[bitter jolt]

It's still unbalanced slop

[lost wolf]

Using the R ability to take the sword looks weird when doing an emote

[lost osprey]

It’s either practically an instakill or beaten by walking a few studs to the left and standing behind a tree
This shit assssss 😭
Not to mention the chains, that’s just not fun at all.

[lost shuttle]

redo the "removed lag" change, my frame rate goes to 2 on the boss

[digital pagoda]

my only issues with the boss are:

1. attacks are too frequent
2. there's no setting for toggling the ground debris nor attack VFX
3. wacky hitboxes
   those are sort of my only issues with the boss so yeah

[twin dagger]

make E have slow turning that gets slower the longer you hold it so people dont exclusively do max charge

make E unusable during Q and Q unusable while charging E

make Q mouse-aimed with a max distance of 10 studs

make R beam actually good

[lost wolf]

YES

why is the giant red beam of death only half health

[hoary fractal]

Please fix the boss battle the abilities it uses gives so little time to move around and I hate when I spawn back and I spawn directly into his ability and please make it so we even have enough time to react to a ability he uses

[shadow narwhal]

also make it so when people jump off it counts twards your giant beam counter

so many people just kill themselves before i can do it💔

[lost wolf]

Ik

Or even if you punch them off

[turbid ingot]

Rly, just nerf e. Q is a good stun but manageable, and r is a powerful sword but like no one knows how to utilize it, the only problem is the 500 people who only spam e

[kind osprey]

Dont nerf it

[hoary yarrow]

Nerf it

The E move deals like 70

[hoary yarrow]

The combo being punching a player twice:

[lost wolf]

The E move is the only move that makes it good

It just contrasts to the rest

[velvet oasis]

HOJM E max dmg = 50 dmg

[kind osprey]

All this for meteor m1 + Q + E to mog in dmg

[west cloak]

BRO JUST NERF IT HES TOO HARD

[west cloak]

The boss

[digital pagoda]

the hitboxes make no sense and the fight is laggy as heck

[west cloak]

Fr

[twilit temple]

Can you make it so void kills count towards the ultimate move charge

[lost wolf]

YES

[fallow sandal]

I dont think HOJ mast require a buff or a nerf... since its only require skill

[kind osprey]

"HOJ mastery skill"

[fallow sandal]

.....

[weak saffron]

hero of justice mastery is far from skill bro 😭

[fallow sandal]

Your not a hero of justice mastery main so dont talk

[fallow sandal]

Hero of justice require skill

[fallow sandal]

Except for the Q

[fallow sandal]

The Q require skill aim

[weak saffron]

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/mewPt92dJgLlmfml9?invite=cr-MSwxbWwsMjYzNjE5MzA2

behold

the power of pressing two buttons and deleting half of someone's health

"skill"

[fallow sandal]

This is skill

[weak saffron]

if this is skill then using god punch might as well be skill too

and if you say god punch requires skill, i no longer consider your opinion valid 😭 🙏

[fallow sandal]

Nah its doesnt require skill its just m1 m1 and ability💀

[fallow sandal]

Since when aiming goodly , chaining and hitting , summoning sword to defend himself is not skill💀

Its not likes you can spam

[weak saffron]

aim is nullified because one of the abilities locks your enemy in place

you literally press two buttons and deal 30 damage for free

😱

[fallow sandal]

Its doesnt deserve a nerf since people keep complaining about it being too weak , its likes i buff it you cpmplain for being too no-skill and when i nerf it you complain being too hard to get while its weak

[weak saffron]

to be fair i never said it needed a nerf (especially after recent nerfs) im simply saying it isn't a very skilled ability

[fallow sandal]

K

[weak saffron]

using it now its just kinda. okay. i dont like the 30 free damage but thats easy enough to shrug off

it was very overpowered when it released though

key word was

[fallow sandal]

Really??? , when itd got released i really wanted it but people dont want stop complaining saying thet he suckd

[weak saffron]

its in a good state of balance right now

[fallow sandal]

That cool

[weak saffron]

that clip i sent was HOJ when it first released

a Q+E combo did 80 damage and let you follow up with 2 punches

[fallow sandal]

Oh i was talking about HOJ the old one

[weak saffron]

quite literally a oneshot

[fallow sandal]

Cuz the old one was being hated by everyone

[fallow sandal]

.

I think we dont need god punch ability anymore since you found a new way to one shot

[weak saffron]

that is no longer possible to pull off in game

though i do agree we dont need god punch

remove god punch

[fallow sandal]

Yes lol or they should replace it so those who paid the pass dont get scammed

[lost wolf]

erm actually

contrary to popular belief

god punch is VERY skilled

you have to go through the entire effort of pressing M1

and occasionally the god forbidden E!!!

It is so skilled even i cant handle the skill

cuz a group of teamers wipe me out!

god punch should get a buff to deal with ranged abilities

the reason that you don't main god punch is because you are not skilled enough to wield it!

this concludes my rambling

you may insult me now

[weak saffron]

next update

• removed @lost wolf
• removed god punch