[OUTDATED] What do YOU think are underpowered abilities?

[dire marlin]

Use this link https://strawpoll.com/GPgVYw69pna to answer with which abilities. Feel free to state why.

[chilly fiber]

First again. Anyways u already know my takes are peak.

Time underpowered

[unique swan]

you werent the one who put cake mas as underpowered were you

or storm

or unmas defender

[pulsar hemlock]

Once again, should've separated defender mas into the 4 classes

Cause defender mas is effectively 4 separate abilities

[gray finch]

Railgun is ASS

[chilly fiber]

Eww no

[quartz cypress]

yeah, railgun is useless up close (where most combat is) and any cover ruins it (there's a lot of cover) and its just underwhelming for 60k

[red mural]

Meteor is very very underwhelming, the cooldowns are long but the moves are weak, both are very easy to dodge

[unique swan]

thank god

[zealous stirrup]

Cosmo mastery and mystic for sure

[fringe tendon]

how is double jump at the top

it is a free ability you get for joining the group

[red mural]

Soda is better and it's just 50 punches

[fringe tendon]

double jump is 50 punches less

it's essentially just default if you made it slightly better

[red mural]

But it becomes perma useless after u get soda

Literally no reason to use it ever

Especially if u have rabbit

[fringe tendon]

only buff i'd say is fair for double jump is a slight speed boost after double jumping

[red mural]

Its someone else's idea but it just should be a completely new ability with a double jump passive

[ebon dagger]

ROBOT

[obtuse tulip]

none of these results are actually "underpowered" abilities. a large portion of these are extremely easy to obtain and reflect that in their usefulness, they aren't underpowered, they're at a great level of power compared to everything else people have unlocked at that stage in the game. I think the most underpowered abilities are those that are difficult to obtain like event abilities, especially egg.

[chilly fiber]

underpowered in terms of balancing.

as far as I know, difficulty of obtainment is not very important when it comes to ability power.

sure, theres abilities like Plasma, being good because of it costing 100,000

but most of the time, an ability's total strength is NEVER decided based on how difficult they're to get

as shit like Rabbit just so happens to be the strongest event ability

despite it being free

lemme choose two completely random abilities

Railgun VS Combo (we can't really make much of a comparison, though I would say Railgun's 60k takes longer than 100 souls. Both abilities have relativistic power)

Cyborg VS Gingerbread (undoubtably Gingerbread is harder to get, but both abilities are fairly weak, so again, they're around the same power.)

Shift VS Cards (you must obtain Shift 48 times in order to unlock Cards. Both abilities are around the same power level.)

Farmer VS Glue (nice! Farmer, the 14k punch ability is better than glue. Though, I don't think this is a matter of punch costs, as Glue is just not very good.)

Cards VS Bone Mas (now we're comparing a mastery! Cards VS Bone Mas is an interesting fight, without a clear victor. Though, Bone Mastery is probably better than Cards, though not by too too much.)

Reaper VS Boomerang (Reaper is MILES harder to get than Boomerang, though, due to Reaper's insane vulnerabilities, Boomerang is actually pretty similar in power.)

Brickbattler VS Jello (If anything is "overpowered for its difficulty" its brickbattler. anyways, Brickbattler OBVIOUSLY shits on Jello.)

Army VS Soda (A decently fair fight as its a 5/10 versus a 6/10. still the more expensive ability wins, even if... a difficult ability to obtain being a 6/10 kind of goes against your point.)

Deflect VS Midas (Extreme punch abilities obviously prove your point, but Deflect is a decently powerful ability. Deflect has a real shot at killing a midas, with its I-Frames and pushing move, though, Midas being overpowered is nothing new.)

Return VS Void (hey, Void is a REAL good ability, requiring 50,000 punches... But honestly, Return kind of walks all over it.)

one more:

Combo VS Bind (Two completely seperate abilities, i'd say Combo is much more challenging to obtain, but they're both at around the same power.)

[edgy summit]

(teleport)

Or even double jump

[pulsar hemlock]

Ginger weak?

I know a person who would say otherwise

[chilly fiber]

Without the multi cane tech, yes it is

[pulsar hemlock]

What the fuck is that comparison

[chilly fiber]

?

It's pretty fair

They're both alright abilities

And they're both pretty fair in power

[chilly fiber]

No, those are pretty underpowered

[pulsar hemlock]

If you want to really prove a point, compare defender and midas

[chilly fiber]

Dude. I'm choosing RANDOM abilities, did you not read my message?

[pulsar hemlock]

Why do most of your matchups suck

[chilly fiber]

Oh btw, defender does go against his point, but he'd probably consider it an "OP outlier"

[chilly fiber]

Because they're fucking random. Do you not see my point at all?

[pulsar hemlock]

And somehow the more "difficult to obtain" ability wins

And no, return does not beat void

[chilly fiber]

I'm trying to prove that difficulty of obtainment isn't the biggest factor in strength

[chilly fiber]

Typically equal actually

[chilly fiber]

It kind of does

It'll take a while if void runs

Ofc

[pulsar hemlock]

Return exists to be annoying
Void can actually hurt

[chilly fiber]

Return can get kills, so I have no idea what you're talking about

Outliving your opponent is totally a viable strategy

[pulsar hemlock]

What, from some 12k punch player?

[chilly fiber]

Who said 12k?

Genuinely.

[pulsar hemlock]

Return uses iframes? Hold S
Return runs out of iframes? Beat the shit out of them

Soon as they run out of iframes, all they have going for them is the extra life

No extra damage, no mobility

And you say THAT can beat void

[chilly fiber]

**in a combo btw. The Q also full counters abilities.

[chilly fiber]

Which they ain't gonna die

[pulsar hemlock]

Hold S to escape a combo

[pulsar hemlock]

Then it just ends up being a stalemate at best

[chilly fiber]

Still 3 punches. Edge kills count.

[pulsar hemlock]

2 actually

[chilly fiber]

Ah yes, how long can they last.

[chilly fiber]

Return guarantees more

[pulsar hemlock]

Either it's a stalemate or retuen loses, no in between

[chilly fiber]

Nope

No in between

Return wins.

If they ain't fighting, it's a stalemate

Get them in a good position, you win

[pulsar hemlock]

Return when the enemy holds S during their iframes (they know they are getting annihilated right after)

[chilly fiber]

Imagine being trash w I frames

[pulsar hemlock]

hold S to escape a combo

You only get punched twice

[chilly fiber]

A few guaranteed hits and dodges. Still is a few guaranteed hits and dodges.

[pulsar hemlock]

2 hits, then after a few seconds you are defenseless

[chilly fiber]

3 hits

[pulsar hemlock]

Not 3

[chilly fiber]

Defenseless as in, kind of not defenseless at all?!!!

You ain't dying quickly

[pulsar hemlock]

Either you can't escape a combo or your device is bad enough to make you not go further when holding S while being comboed

[chilly fiber]

The only shot the void has at killing is m1s

[chilly fiber]

No

[pulsar hemlock]

Oh also may I remind

[chilly fiber]

Two hits, then Return nearly guarantees a third, due to the insane leverage you have

[pulsar hemlock]

Besides having 2 zoning M1s that can also act as combo cancels, they also have a passive that applies that evil ring on hit with M1s and abilities

That deals extra damage and slows

[chilly fiber]

I-Frames + inf lives

[pulsar hemlock]

Yeah, not only does return lack mobility

It also gets slowed

[chilly fiber]

Boohoo

No mobility!

Not saying Void isn't good

Ur seriously undervaluing what Return can actually do

May sound weak on paper

May sound like a slight annoyance

[pulsar hemlock]

It is

[chilly fiber]

But I bet nine nickels that ppl who are complaining, aren't thinking it's JUST that

[pulsar hemlock]

And I've never seen a return be more than a mild inconvenience

[chilly fiber]

Archer main. I wonder why.

[pulsar hemlock]

You know what
Ima try using void today

[chilly fiber]

Uh huh

First time punching..?

[pulsar hemlock]

nah

Otherwise I wouldn't even get to defender in the first place

As it requires 11k punches

And that one irrelevant badge

[chilly fiber]

Gravity spam is a viable strategy (or was)

[pulsar hemlock]

Who tf grinds punches using GRAVITY

[chilly fiber]

Soap spam was a viable strategy

[pulsar hemlock]

Whatever makes you sleep during the day

[chilly fiber]

It was just one of the strongest non punch strats

Back when I was a noob, I mained Gravity due to how easy it was

Nobody was safe

[pulsar hemlock]

no wonder you like return so much

[chilly fiber]

It's actually good so idk bro

Get ur ass outta here

[pulsar hemlock]

Either way, I will use void today

[chilly fiber]

Either way, I will use Return today

Mage requires punching and it has very little mobility as well 😩

And u never ever said my goat was weak

Sure, countering all abilities and inf revives is a lil different from 100DMG death chains and effective revives

[unique swan]

gameplay wise killing a return with or without a revive is identical unless they both spawn close to you and are hard targetting you

i genuinely cannot fathom why you glaze return so much

[unique swan]

yeah because mage has rangeds + self sustain options which makes up for its lack of mobility

all return has are iframes

which literally any player can counter

with a peculiar little button

named

the S key

[chilly fiber]

Ok bruddy smh

Y'all just don't understand the power of return

[unique swan]

yeah dude we don't understand the power of effectively only having one move which can be countered by holding down a movement button

totally

[pulsar hemlock]

Mage can boost itself via flare recoil (why would you use that though)

[pulsar hemlock]

The power of being a roach

That cannot do shit in the modern meta

You either get outpaced

Outgunned

Or there are almost equally as defensive options that can actually pack a punch

"oh b-but it can land 3 punches"

And I can land 3 arrows in your argument by mentioning that people can do that too, more efficiently at that

Because surprise surprise, default with temporary iframes isn't as good as you think it is

[unique swan]

stone

the only situation i can think of where iframes would be more than marginally useful is voidkilling an opponent who may or may not flick you into the void

and stone does that because taking full damage from attacks does not matter in this scenario

AND it has an actual ranged

if you use armour as stone and the enemy runs away you can roll em flat with your boulder

with return

well...

[pulsar hemlock]

Now don't get me wrong, iframes can come in handy, but we are comparing a glorified default with brief iframes against abilities that can actually KILL a person

Also

Crystal

[pulsar hemlock]

Hell, plasma too

Is miles better than return

[chilly fiber]

Damnit I thought u wouldn't realize that

[chilly fiber]

Can't do nothinnig u can't catch up to someone, eh??

[chilly fiber]

One move? Ok that's a stretch

[pulsar hemlock]

You are asking the same guy who wanted volley to be nerfed for 7 months after finding out about how atrocious it is not even 48 hours after the update

Hell, maybe not even 24 hours

Obviously I woudln't miss small details

(I think)

[pulsar hemlock]

The revive is effectively skipping the part where you stare at your corpse for 3-4 seconds

The only time it becomes useful is if you have items

[chilly fiber]

So instead of healing, u want to lose the fight, return to the lobby, and start again anew?

[pulsar hemlock]

I'd rather pick something that can actually KILL than be an unkillable roach that can't properly fight back

[chilly fiber]

Uh huh

Anyways

[unique swan]

yeah because return can do literally nothing to someone they can't catch up to

[chilly fiber]

I'm being pelted by notifications rn, and I SERIOUSLY need to do my homework

[pulsar hemlock]

As I said before, return either gets outpaced, outgunned or outright outclassed

[unique swan]

again, say i walk away from a return user

what are they gonna do about it?

DASH up to me?

use their SPEED BOOST?

hit me with a RANGED?

[chilly fiber]

Sighhhh let's agree to disagree

[pulsar hemlock]

Man I wish there was an ability that had a powerful shield and also had a lot of mobility, like dashing

[pulsar hemlock]

Nope, how about we all agree that return is overrated as fuck

[pulsar hemlock]

(plasma)

[unique swan]

✅

[chilly fiber]

right now its underrated asf

[unique swan]

but that's too expensive! if only a cheaper ability existed which gave all the utility of return while also having a high damage ranged...

(stone)

[pulsar hemlock]

Underrated my ass, after you land your 3 punches, your iframes wear out, I lock you into a combo

[chilly fiber]

cant i just have a half way opinion between it "being too op deserving of a nerf and being the most annoying ability in the game" and "being 0/10 dogshit trash worst ability in the game"

[pulsar hemlock]

I can use any movement based ability to just make your iframes worthless

Especially because IT OUTLINES YOU WHEN YOU HAVE IFRAMES ACTIVE

So not only do I instantly know that you are invincible

I also know when you become a free kill, minus the practically worthless "return"

Don't get me wrong, return is good for surviving, but when it comes to actually getting kills, all of a sudden the overly defensive ability with little offensive potential all of a sudden looks a lot worse than right now

Then again, can you really call constantly deploying your respawn point "surviving"?

Because if anything, it feels more like a cheap excuse to waste people's time by trying to prove that an ability with extremely poor offense and comically huge defense can beat a decent generalist that can outrange you and combo you to death

[chilly fiber]

10+ kills per life

[wicked eagle]

Bubble...

[chilly fiber]

hell no

[proven flicker]

Why do i have the feeling someones gonna say soectator😭

[edgy summit]

People voted it for overpowered lol

[modern holly]

i say brick

[edgy summit]

It still exists?

[proven flicker]

yh

[proven flicker]

crazy:sob

😭

[modern holly]

yo bitches

since yall talk about return and iframes

talk about vampire

the q ability is just fucking spectator on steroids

and the e ability is a health potion if u land all 3

and the e ability ALSO GIVES YOU IFRAMES

CAUSE THIS BITCH ASS MOVE ACTUALLY DOESNT LET YOUR OPPONENT ATTACK ANYTHING

ITS A STUN IN DISGUISE

AND Q

CAN FUCKING COMBO SO EASILY

"oh shoot he went too far in my combo"

TELEPORT TO HIM

AND THERES NO DELAY

ITS ALT F4 BUT WHEN YOU PRESS RECONNECT IT ACTUALLY WORKS

so who agrees vampire should be nerfed to the ground

[pulsar hemlock]

Absolutely no one, considering that ufo mas exists

[static yarrow]

erm

did this dude just compare reaper to boomerang?

reaper is WAY better then boomerang

it also is only 2k punches if we think logically during the halloween event

so it's pretty good

(Especially with the combos, extra range, and versatility)

Boomerang is just a combo breaker, that's about it

[graceful palm]

Ban this kid hes spamming post

[chilly fiber]

Id beg to differ

[static yarrow]

…explain

[chilly fiber]

Boomerang is actually quite decent and it's also a decent matchup against reaper

[static yarrow]

Boomerang is a single combo breaker

…it’s getting cooked by reaper

And if you argue boomerang can run and spam a projectile, that’s not a fair 1v1

[chilly fiber]

Dude have you used Boomerang

[static yarrow]

Yes…

[chilly fiber]

No you havent

[static yarrow]

I have, it’s alright, it’s fine

Have you used reaper before?

[chilly fiber]

Ts is much more than a freaking combo breaker

[chilly fiber]

Ofc

[static yarrow]

Tell me the combos you know with it

[chilly fiber]

I recognize it's absurd power, in terms of stats, sure it's better than Boomerang

But Boomerang has good combos, decent damage and is much more versatile

[chilly fiber]

It's an arch shape that can be charged

[static yarrow]

…did you just call boomerang versatile compared to reaper?

[chilly fiber]

Surely you can think of some

[chilly fiber]

Reaper is literally melee grappling

[static yarrow]

You can easily dodge the boomerang with any idea of how it works, considering it shows when you’re holding the ability down to charge it

You cannot predict reapers abilities as easily…

[chilly fiber]

Then bait out the dodging, use it while they're ragdolled or simply tap it as a combo extender

[chilly fiber]

Mhmmm..?

[static yarrow]

…boomerang does not have combos that can legit get you to 1/4 hp

[chilly fiber]

Fair, but does it need them?

[static yarrow]

Reaper has bigger range, easier combos, stronger combos, and is harder to approach

You’re only argument is range, and running and spamming it isn’t a fight

At that point

[chilly fiber]

I mean, what's stopping them. Personally I wouldn't use Boomerang like that, but it's definitely more reliable as the cooldowns are shorter, it's less punishable and its not entirely melee

[static yarrow]

Okay, I camp the top of the hill

Easy counter

[chilly fiber]

In saying it's a much more reliable form of consistent damage

Both abilities are 6/10 bro

[chilly fiber]

Bye bye Reaper lol

[static yarrow]

…aint no way you truly believe this

My god you have never played this game…

[chilly fiber]

Meh meh meh meh meh?

So very convincing u are right there lil bro

[static yarrow]

Why do you only have one point, when I have 4…

Better reach, stronger combos, easier combos, and also tough approaching

[chilly fiber]

One point?

[static yarrow]

Your point is range…

(Which the range is counterable by hills btw)

[chilly fiber]

Faster M1s, more consistent combos, faster cooldowns, range, combo breaks, pulling, ranged knockback, ranged attacks

Less punishable too

[static yarrow]

Faster M1s does not equal stronger M1s

[chilly fiber]

Yeah Reaper's M1s are crazy

[static yarrow]

(Also you used range twice)

[chilly fiber]

But they aren't uncountable by boomerang

[static yarrow]

(And consistent combos is a lie and any skilled player can tell)

[chilly fiber]

Different ranges.

Total range and having a reliable ranged move

Are completely different things

[static yarrow]

Reaper has more range, tfym

[chilly fiber]

No it does NOT.

Range as in total range, not m1 range bro.

[static yarrow]

…what does that even mean in this case

[chilly fiber]

Reaper OBVIOUSLY has better stats for m1s

[static yarrow]

Range as in total range, you just mean the ability range

[chilly fiber]

Well Boomerang's E does out range Reaper

Allowing for stuns, pulls

Combo extends

[static yarrow]

…explain the best combo you’re getting from boomerang

[chilly fiber]

Dude reliable damage is still good damage

[static yarrow]

Reapers damage is reliable if we aren’t allowed to run, and if we are, reaper camps hill and wins itself

No hill, no running imo for a more fair battle into the power of these abilities

[chilly fiber]

Ability Wars FFA game

Ppl do what they fucking want

[static yarrow]

…Im doing that to get rid of the win cons, because they’re both boring

[chilly fiber]

All circumstances should be accounted for

[static yarrow]

Which is easier, camping a hill, or hitting your boomerangs and getting consistent damage without the reaper running to a hill

HMMM

[chilly fiber]

If Boomerang was forced to engage entirely melee, without a naturally defensive playstyle/void/wall combos/hills then um

[static yarrow]

No, let’s go with everything is allowed

[chilly fiber]

It's just removing all of Reaper's weaknesses

[static yarrow]

You’re right

Everything’s allowed

Now let’s look at the facts.

Reaper counters the win con for boomerang with their own win cons

Simple as that!

[chilly fiber]

And Reaper's lifesteal would decimate

[static yarrow]

GGs

[chilly fiber]

Ah yes, abbreviations

[static yarrow]

Reaper just wins

[chilly fiber]

Please unabbreviate that one

Oh

GG. You made a typo

Lucky me.

[static yarrow]

I know

What

So, we both agree reaper is just better in an everything allowed game

And a no win con game

Good!

[chilly fiber]

?

Undervaluing Boomerang like that. Despicable

Btw, I never said one was better than the other

[static yarrow]

…Im not undervaluing boomerang

Im saying that reapers win con just counters boomerangs win con

And not the other way around

Which causes it to lose

[chilly fiber]

For all you know, I DO think Reaper is better, but they are just close in strength

[static yarrow]

They’re not really close…

[chilly fiber]

5/10, 6/10

[static yarrow]

If you 1v1 a reaper with boomerang, you will get cooked

[chilly fiber]

Cooked?

[static yarrow]

You said a minute ago they were both 6/10, what’s with the change in opinions

[chilly fiber]

Never said those were exact.

Even if I wouldn't argue w rm

Anyways, 6/10 would prolly be fine for both tbh

My point of my original message wasnt really to see which was entirely better

It was to prove that difficulty of obtainment doesn't equal total strength

[static yarrow]

Man, you’ve really just lost all standing you have, grasping at straws, undervaluing reaper even though you know that it’s strong. Sad. Also, if reaper is 6/10, you consider that every Halloween ability is 7/10 or lower, which isn’t true either, congratulations!

[chilly fiber]

And Boomerang being close to a seasonal, should disprove it

[static yarrow]

You’ve gone against 90% of the AW communities beliefs of power, in your own opinions, congrats

[chilly fiber]

??

[chilly fiber]

Boohoo

[static yarrow]

Man, this is why opinions suck lmao, because people say stuff like this

[chilly fiber]

Reaper 6
Malice 7
Mummy 7.5
Vamp8

[chilly fiber]

Jeez bro

[static yarrow]

Wow

[chilly fiber]

Getting a little annoying over there

[static yarrow]

Everything above reaper

Truly showing you don’t know how to use it

[chilly fiber]

Uh no.

[static yarrow]

Please understand abilities before trying to decide their power…

[chilly fiber]

I try that.

And I think I used my fair share of Reaper.

[static yarrow]

(Not well apparently)

[chilly fiber]

Again w all these non arguments. I understand that I definitely made some of these earlier.

But are you entirely just stopping w the actual points?

[static yarrow]

I mean, do you want me to get back on why reaper is simply insane

And at least an 7/10

[chilly fiber]

Yeah sure

Maybe you'll change my mind

[static yarrow]

Basically, here’s how I would say it. It’s nearly as unapproachable as Paladin, a melee dominator. It will not be easily stopped by anything that cannot do combos over 4 hits, or nearly half its hp in one combo. It has lifesteal, its abilities give it speed, it’s very hard to react to.

Now I will look at boomerangs strengths

[chilly fiber]

4 hit combos

Hey

And they're reliable

[static yarrow]

Boomerang has a chargeable ranged attack which gives it some good combo starters, and extenders if used correctly.

Can you show me a 4 hit boomerang combo that’s inescapable?

[chilly fiber]

Paladin Mas is DEFINITELY better than Reaper's defenses

Also the speed is negligible

[chilly fiber]

Hit hit E hit hit

[static yarrow]

And you’re 100% sure that’s inescapable, and hard to dodge?

[chilly fiber]

Or E hit hit

And just spam that

[chilly fiber]

Pretty sure, I think you can worm your way out of any non Alch combo tho

[static yarrow]

Hmm…

It doesn’t feel like you can do that realistically

Do you have a video?

[chilly fiber]

Really?

[chilly fiber]

Can't rn

[static yarrow]

Or like, some proof it realistically could work

Aight

Let me try to replicate that in game real quick!

[chilly fiber]

2 hits are always guaranteed, E stuns allowing for 2 more hits

[static yarrow]

Wai…

AHA

That’s the big issue!

Getting a hit.

You need melee

Reaper is god tier melee

[chilly fiber]

Btw Boomerang isn't a combo king sort of ability. Sure it's great w defenses and reliable overall damage.

[chilly fiber]

Depends on melee skill.

[static yarrow]

Bro.

[chilly fiber]

Also can't u spam the E as a combo starter

Boomerang has comically low cooldowns

[static yarrow]

Skill is not supposed to be a factor, were just taking the abilities at their stats

[chilly fiber]

Ok ik my argument was flawed. But ts ain't much better.

All fights have variables, pretending like you can't escape or even land one hit on a Reaper is just plain disrespectful

It's not like Reaper has Spring's range

[static yarrow]

Im going on stats

[chilly fiber]

Variables

[static yarrow]

Reaper outclasses the melee in a lot of ways

[chilly fiber]

Punching still can work against a reaper

[static yarrow]

I know.

Would you say punching beats paladins hammer?

No.

[chilly fiber]

Acting like Boomerang would just kind of get slaughtered without much of a fight is kind of insane

[static yarrow]

Because it’s just simply, stronger on average

Not saying it gets slaughtered, Im saying it loses most of the time

[chilly fiber]

Would it be 100DMG vs 0?

Also no.

[static yarrow]

…so you’re agreeing that reaper is better, and by a bit

But not so much it destroys boomerang

[chilly fiber]

Yeah I guess

If they were to fight, one on one

[static yarrow]

Okay, ggs, argument has been won!

[chilly fiber]

Reaper would win 6-7 times out of 10

If both players are exactly the same skill, on average

Sure in FFA games they share similar power

But overall, Reaper is too good at grappling

[chilly fiber]

Btw did u catch it

67?!!!

[static yarrow]

Yessir

Tested the combo you said, tried it 10 times, wasn’t super consistent? It sometimes worked but because the opponent wasn’t jumping

[chilly fiber]

So now you're agreeing to my original point! Which is ability power is relativistic and not determined by difficulty of obtainment!

[chilly fiber]

Can't u jump too?

Oh yeah

Simply tap E

Boomerang is nearly undodgeable up close

[static yarrow]

…I did, I guess I’ll keep trying to see the amazing point you’re making!

[chilly fiber]

Insane passive aggressiveness

Holy shit.

[chilly fiber]

Anyways if it makes u feel better, I remembered I actually gave Boomerang a 5.5/10

[static yarrow]

Okay, tested the combo, semi reliable I think, with that adjustment

Although it’s a lot less powerful then some of reapers combos imo

[chilly fiber]

Boomerang does take a lot of skill

[chilly fiber]

Well it doesn't obliterate players w sheer DPS

Boomerang doesn't have a crazy gimmick like that

[modern holly]

ngl

im suprised yall dont agree vampire should be nerfed

sob

but uhh

i want you guys to try getting max hivemind (including rebirth)

and eat a gingerbread cookie for 20 min straight

(the one u get from the gingerbread ability)

and uhh

see for yourself

[forest crypt]

Hivemind Rebirth is op, especially phase 2

[modern holly]

now get phase 2 and eat gingerbread

[dusk hornet]

mecha

kinda suck

hitboxes suck n everything

literally only thing its useable is knockback immunity

[static yarrow]

(Mech isn't even that bad, people just don't know how to use it)

[dusk hornet]

kinda true

kinda

ngl

man i want mastery for this thing!!

mech is one of my favorite abilitys but i just dont want to use it bc everyone will target me for some reason

i want mastery what adds alot o weapons

also engineer is kinda underpowered if you dum lol but its if you dum

if engineer user is smart its one of the most overpowered abilitys ever

[static yarrow]

true

[dusk hornet]

if hes smart like kost or other players (im not VERY smart) its server killer

unless everyone targets em so they cant build

[whole bolt]

underpowered abilities are things that just have way too many/big gaping flaws

like Cards

nobody uses cards because everybody will just run from you when you use E, and it makes it worse that its visible/colorful

and q doesnt really fit in m1 combos (the card only lands if u m1 first then press q, but ur just better off m1ing again and extending the combo

or stone with the fact its missing (even worse) NERFS mobility

stone armor doesnt really help much as some ppl can easily benefit from it (like spamming m1 and taking 50 hp from u)

ok no more rant

me done

[chilly fiber]

Tf do u mean the Q doesn't fit in. M1 combos are not reliable after 2-3 hits.

It's great at getting decent DMG and defense in

Anyways true, stone armor deserves a buff

[wise furnace]

mystic buff when

[amber wren]

This should be in #votes too because some people may not even check #1409601397246136371

[dire marlin]

i do not have the power to do this so :v

i would but i cannot do so

[amber wren]

maybe u guys (higher staff i mean, not you specifically) should make a sub-votes channel

[proven flicker]

Holly god

[lament ingot]

0 votes on hivemind lol

[chilly fiber]

good.

[lament ingot]

I js killed a 193 dos

[wise furnace]

can we PLEASE get a mystic buff

its my favorite ability but its kinda trash

[chilly fiber]

ehh its not trashhhh per say

but it deserves a buff

cause that E move is so situational

[wise furnace]

buff to energy only

[chilly fiber]

railgun charge for like a 20DMG projectile 🔥

i'd say:

change the cost per orb for the E to one mana

and keep the Q's price cause its worth it

oh yeah i'd also rework the regen passive

[wise furnace]

mystic will get its buff when default gets its mastery trust me

[chilly fiber]

😭

unironically

i want a default mastery

[wise furnace]

why

whats it gonna do just get 1 extra damage

[wicked eagle]

Default mastery would be PEAK

[barren slate]

buff rage

[edgy summit]

It's balanced.

[chilly fiber]

Buff an arguably top 15 ability

Yeah right.

Nice try buddy I ain't falling for that

[quiet ore]

Definitely combo and kick because it's hard to land the combo and also anyone can interrupt so you gotta wait the cd and kick its obv why

[chilly fiber]

combo just takes skill

kick with skill its effectively immune to combos

[mortal kayak]

Alch mastery

[chilly fiber]

🤡

[scenic haven]

Hivemind

[chilly fiber]

[mortal kayak]

Kill streak

Mb

Dos

[chilly fiber]

[regal portal]

Is this ragebait

[regal portal]

You better be ragebaiting

[regal portal]

Freedom of speech was a mistake

[grizzled moss]

butter

too ez

i need a butter trail that oils people

[static yarrow]

Butter is actually really good…

It’s nearly impossible to die if you use it right

[sand abyss]

railgun

[hidden saddle]

i think meteor is pretty underpowered most of the time

[inner escarp]

grapple

[static yarrow]

Grapple is super strong

Meteor is strong if you only run

[coarse forum]

Double jump, lemon, mech, deflect, just to name a few

[chilly fiber]

No, it's only strong if you push others into the meteors

[chilly fiber]

(Mech is good)

[static yarrow]

I mean

It’s pretty easy to meteor combo

[coarse forum]

It haves good ability but is size and actually lack of knock back make it very VERY easy to combo

[chilly fiber]

Jump

Not that hard really

[coarse forum]

I dont really use mech i just know cus I combo them to death

[chilly fiber]

Oh then fuck off

[coarse forum]

OK :D

[half lily]

Quantum

[coarse forum]

I love quantum and its my main but it really not underpowered (the nerf sucks tho)

[half lily]

Lost two of its best things, escape tp and its high dmg

[coarse forum]

Yeah the loss of high damage kinda sucks but I would say the new teleport is way better cus you can still escape, it does damage and drain damage, and you can easy kill runners by teleporting on them

[quartz cypress]

Meanwhile railgun whenever somebody is closer than 75 studs: (It's useless)

[chilly fiber]

LOL

[quartz cypress]

i am the evil responding man, i revive posts from months ago

[chilly fiber]

Combo FRIES Railgun bro

I overrated Railgun so hard

[quartz cypress]

yeah lol

id say railgun is the WORST ability for its price

and ngl if it had the price of GLUE it wouldnt be op

[chilly fiber]

after its nerfs

its useless bro

actually not useless

its like a 6/10

compared to quantums like 6.5/10

[quartz cypress]

It is decent, but unless there's 5 people using it it just doesnt work at all.

[void stirrup]

when an ability is hard to get but sucks

[quartz cypress]

Unmastered UFO, Railgun, Puppet, and Mystic in the "Be super underwhelming and bad" conpetition:

[carmine ingot]

just played puppeteer and my main buff concerns is how you get knockback when somebody hits a controlled puppet, and the clones from the E ability is ridiculously easy to spot and don't fool a cautious player 😭

[quiet ore]

Cosmos mastery have big potential

These are fr horrible hot takes ngl

[chilly fiber]

🍅

[unique swan]

he's right though

[pulsar hemlock]

I swear if I see another guy saying that archer needs a buff

Here's the thing, it's a ranged dps demon, give it actual mobility or defense and it becomes stage 4 cancer

[frozen token]

everyone is prob gonna kill me for this but i feel like slicer is kinda weak in defender mas

[pulsar hemlock]

Fair opinion

[quiet ore]

I mean cosmos mastery can easily get u up to stuff can easily snipe people and etc mech is kinda good for range attack (you still get targeted for some reason) defender mastery depends on what you choose tho and the baller one can give you a lot of punches

Cosmos it self not mastery sucks tho

[mortal kayak]

Muramasa

[ionic niche]

bro og Mech made you like a boss it was so fun to use. make mech like the og mech (with some small nerfs) but make it harder to obtain like more punches or a new badge or 2 badges ||nerf soap||

[delicate imp]

one word

dos

[viscid rock]

combo

[crimson canopy]

literal only issues with mech rn are that

1. people MOB you because uhh yeah your large
2. not a lot of people know how to use mech
3. not a lot of people use mech when they have good ping

the actual ability itself is so powerful i mean those lasers SHRED people’s health in seconds

[ionic niche]

yea i agree as when i use mech in a server everyone targets me

[crimson canopy]

these issues arent really fixable tho idk
guys… stop calling mech bad then using it wrong….

[pulsar hemlock]

It's a good thing archer counters mech!

[crimson canopy]

hmm

idk i see people try to pull out archer on me a lot and every time without fail they get blasted into narnia 😭

even if i do get low i can always just fly up ontop of spawn anyways

and at that point any long ranged projectile is easy enough to dodge

even as big as mech is

and there are very few abilities that can even reach the top of lobby
most of which dont stand much of a chance against a half decent mech player

mech is the only one that stands a chance funnily enough
mech counters mech

[pulsar hemlock]

Get this, archer has a log of ranged dps and mech is a fat target with 0 DR, which makes you super vulnerable to the arrows

[crimson canopy]

mech is also a machine gun strapped to rocket boosters 🤷

[pulsar hemlock]

The machine gun with rocket boosters in question can only get you so far when your healthbar is getting shredded by tiny projectiles of unreasonably high damage and inconvenience

[chilly fiber]

machine gun VS ballistic missile

[crimson canopy]

coughing mech vs hydrogen archer

[proven flicker]

Im still waiting for quantum Mastery

[finite zodiac]

Definitely nuclear

That shit is hot trash

I was expecting a hulk transformation

Only to see a nuclear bar which makes you more fragile which makes no sense

[crimson canopy]

hoohh yeah i dont know about that one

nuclear’s damage is very high, with the debuff being one of the more powerful ones in the entire game

simply landing both moves while at around 70 stability will wreck player’s health

not to mention being any lower on stability

additionally both of nuclear’s moves are easy to safely land, as well as having low cooldowns and good combo potential

(for your info, lower stability also increases your damage)

[cobalt mirage]

But as stability drops you can die easier

[crimson canopy]

nuclear is pretty good at running away and pelting people tbf

im pretty sure it gets faster at some point

only change i think it needs is to be able to explode on death regardless of stability

plus if you avoid projectiles and try your hardest to not get into a combo, its decently easy to survive

by the time you reach zero stability your basically cooked but you can still get a few kills in before grazing your shoulder on a bar of soap and collapsing to the ground

[cobalt mirage]

The life of xenon i guess

[coarse forum]

You also get a speed buff tho

[crimson canopy]

i see the damage of nuclear when i use both my abilities on someone and watch their health absolutely MELT

[edgy summit]

Fr. And it has its passive that damages people close

Nuclear is closer to overpowered than it is to underpowered

[finite zodiac]

So what

It's an awful trade off

At one point you become incredibly fragile forcing you to run

It's a good idea but it was awfully adapted imo

Should of done it as the hulk

[edgy summit]

We already got buff lol

[edgy summit]

Not really. The damage increase is insane if you actually don't die

[finite zodiac]

Don't compare that caveman trash to the hulk

They are very different

[edgy summit]

How

Both big

And jump

What more do you want a hulk to do

[finite zodiac]

So broad 🫩

Hulk can literally shoot gamma rays

Cancer beams too

[edgy summit]

Only thing left is throwing a random car

[finite zodiac]

He's also green

[edgy summit]

When has he ever done that 💔

[finite zodiac]

In my head

🗿

[edgy summit]

Aight

[finite zodiac]

IF

If your caught by a stray blast that's it

[edgy summit]

Yeah that's the whole point and it's not like its an instant switch when you get to 0%

[finite zodiac]

Now you have to wait another 5 minutes or so for your bar to drain

[edgy summit]

It increases the entire time.

[finite zodiac]

Ye I'm aware

But your health decreases at the same time

[edgy summit]

Yep

[finite zodiac]

And that doesn't even make sense

[edgy summit]

Stability is 1% less than your max hp

[edgy summit]

It's a good trade off to stop it being op

Makes it unique

Whilst also sticking with the ability's theme

What more do you want them to do?

[finite zodiac]

Turn it into the hulk

Instead of some trashy ability

[edgy summit]

Just suggest a separate ability atp

[finite zodiac]

The only somewhat cool thing about it is the explosion and the black flash finisher

Everything else is just meh

Not to mention the arm throw ability is so lazy

Who the fuck even does that 😭

[edgy summit]

You know what

That's your opinion 🙏

I'm never changing it

[chilly fiber]

[crimson canopy]

does everything this guy say have to be the worst takes ever

[pulsar hemlock]

Feel free to like, put it on your wall of shame or something

That change alone made seat not worthless against anything other than unaware dos users

[chilly fiber]

whys bro getting pressed about a little QOL move 😭💔

[crimson canopy]

its genuinely scary that the highest voted ability in the poll is mech

twins

lets not buff mech

its not worth it

[unique swan]

i think we should kill mech and throw its body in a ditch

genuinely

1 bullet per second on E

rockets no longer ragdoll

you get 0 walkspeed while Q is active

10 max health

if you get a kill then the dead person revives and gains x100 damage against you specifically

[crimson canopy]

mech april fools

[edgy summit]

It's got 86 people who asked for it 😭

[pulsar hemlock]

Same guy who wants to add a dash for every defender class btw

[edgy summit]

[pulsar hemlock]

AND saving some levels on death

[edgy summit]

That's like letting dos save souls 😞

[radiant tendon]

lmaoo bro unblocked me just to say this before blocking me again

[pulsar hemlock]

comedy

[radiant tendon]

I wonder who deleted all his messages or did he do it himself

[pulsar hemlock]

idk

but he is certainly unhappy

[pulsar hemlock]

Also I'm assuming he just deleted his messages himseld

Wow and I got a slightly less friendly message in my mailbox

That I didn't know I had because I have message requests on or whatever the setting is

Hry whoever wants to see the not so friendly image that isn't very kid friendly dm me

[radiant tendon]

@carmine elbow can you serve divine judgement if they're still in the server?

I can't see roles and mutual servers because of the block

[pulsar hemlock]

Hey do you wan to see the slightly less friendly message he sent me

[carmine elbow]

wsp

if it breaks the rules i gotta do what i gotta do

[pulsar hemlock]

Do I dm you the image?

[carmine elbow]

yes

[cinder moat]

same i didn't even do any thing and i got this

lol

[pulsar hemlock]

Whatever makes him sleep at night

[chilly fiber]

Lmao

[chilly fiber]

Top 1 ragebaiter

[chilly fiber]

oopie

[chilly fiber]

four instances of DM threats and harassmen t

i guess

[cinder moat]

they are already banned i think

[chilly fiber]

is that supposed to be allowed

[chilly fiber]

lol

ohhh "no servers in common"

ill check his ban status to make sure

[cinder moat]

also for some reason they really didn't like seat getting eject

[chilly fiber]

for no reason LMAO

[cinder moat]

yea

[pulsar hemlock]

Gotta be one of the shittiest takes ever

Ironic, because he called your takes shit

While wanting to buff ARCHER

Man, if archer gets buffed somehow I'll start tweaking

[edgy summit]

That guy did the same to me 😭

[pulsar hemlock]

What did he say to you

[edgy summit]

"npc mf
get a life"

[pulsar hemlock]

So tuff

[edgy summit]

🔥

[pulsar hemlock]

So sigma of him

[edgy summit]

Had to ban him cos his aura was too much for us

[ember swan]

id say midas and brickbattler

[crimson canopy]

midas? nah

brickbattler i can kinda see tho

[chilly fiber]

Midas oh hellllllll no broski

Brickbattler, definitely not broski

[wise furnace]

lol bro said midas is weak

mystic

ples buff it

[crimson canopy]

mystic's lazer is so ass 🥹

[vague plume]

buff blood his domain does nothing cause opponenet can just keep teleporting away

[edgy summit]

I've never really used the new blood god but only like 3 abilities can teleport

[cobalt mirage]

in the domain you teleport if you touch the walls

or like the limits it teleports u to the other side

[edgy summit]

Ohh

[edgy summit]

Yeah I see what you mean. It's easy to run from

[radiant tendon]

they got banned 🤑

[pulsar hemlock]

he had it coming

[ember swan]

gp is a bit underpowered

along with midas

and bubble

[chilly fiber]

😨

[ember swan]

im being for real

[chilly fiber]

🥀

[chilly fiber]

Not for long bud

[ember swan]

gp is countered by range and having i frames it has no movement or anything and you just have to be better at pvp and they cant kill you

on top of that mostly noobs use it because they dont realizethese huge flaws and when gp haters try to go target them and die a lot they start crying and thats why we get suggestions like "nerf gp!!!"

[chilly fiber]

Yeah, but again, they only need one hit, so once u catch up to someone, they're dead

[chilly fiber]

GP as a concept is flawed

[ember swan]

midas has the same problem also all its moves are pretty easy to avoid if you can anticipate them and not get hit

bubble is just countered by backing up when it uses its abilities

[chilly fiber]

**no it doesn't, it doesn't need insane chasing and guaranteed kills to be strong

[ember swan]

plasma is 50k cheaper but a lot stronger

[chilly fiber]

Midas has crazy damage potential, knockback and an iron wall defense

[ember swan]

plasma does that better

[chilly fiber]

So please nerf Plasma instead of buffing midas

[ember swan]

why

[chilly fiber]

Plasma doesn't have the parry move

[chilly fiber]

Plasma literally has one shot combos

[ember swan]

q is iron wall defense

and would you look at that another nerf go punch suggestion was made

[chilly fiber]

Q, R and E are all some of the best defensive moves in the game for Midas

[ember swan]

ok

i almost forgot buff krampus too devs

[chilly fiber]

Lmao

[chilly fiber]

Bubble counters the very act of punching, so I think it's fine rn

As the Q can be used offensively, and the E deals wicked damage when baiting out your opponent

[hasty bobcat]

nuclear
pirate
engineer (for mobile players)

[crimson canopy]

the issue with god punch is just how unbalanced it is, any hit at ALL will kill you, it simply is not built to be fair in a game like ability wars
it is super easy to be hit in any scenario by a standard punch, be it while performing a wall combo, while performing a regular combo, or just hitting them in pvp
you literally not only have to get lucky, but also have to kill them hitless along with being super good at juking

and all these problems are only amplified when someone half decent at the game uses it, as now you have to account for their movements

so unless you swap to an ability that can counter or effectively fight a god punch, your in a bit of trouble and easily risk dying
not to mention when god punches spawn behind you and give you like two seconds to react… had a dos run end because a magnet threw me to a wall and a god punch conveniently spawned right next to me.. it happens far too often

mmmm text wall

[pseudo junco]

who actually thinks malice is underpowered

[quiet ore]

Does no dmg

So yea i think so

It's underpowered

[pseudo junco]

undodgable abilities

large knockback

it's still weak damage-wise

but not underpowered

[frozen token]

not undodgable

very large knockback

i feel like malice should get a bit of a damage buff but make his slash deal less knockback the further it goes to prevent just people spamming it to people fighting on the edge

[fervent elk]

engi mas feels bad imo

like maybe remove the portal windup for mastery

[pseudo junco]

yeah

Q might be dodgable

but E can't be dodged from half the map away

that's most of the problem

[coarse forum]

.

[chilly fiber]

15 - 16 at most

[frosty isle]

I think the cooldown after the bomb lands makes bomb ability very underpowered.

[chilly fiber]

How about, no, lmao deserved

[delicate imp]

defualt

to op against anything

[coarse forum]

Nah defaults be ruining the server

Their just to op

[hushed kernel]

time need mastery

[dire marlin]

am gonna redo this

[dire marlin]

[OUTDATED] What do YOU think are underpowered abilities?

[fallen stone]

how is mystic underpowered 😭

[crimson canopy]

cuz ts is outdated and mystic used to be REALLY bad before it's buff in the most recent update

[fallen stone]

bone mastery is probably the most underpowered ability in my opinion

only reason is becuase its somehow worse then the base

[crimson canopy]

i think thats only because there can be orange bones instead of just blue bones

and 99% of the time players are running

making them pretty useless