[OUTDATED] What do YOU think are overpowered abilities?

[cunning venture]

Use this link https://strawpoll.com/GeZARjOW8yV to answer with which abilities. Feel free to state why and please be thoughtful with your answers.

@frozen stirrup can you pin

also while your at it probably close the old ones

i made a new one cause update so

ill post for the underpowered one in a sec

[devout hound]

First

[cunning venture]

errr....

[devout hound]

Now rate my takes

Before others vote

[cunning venture]

most i agree with

[devout hound]

Ohh ok

U even agree that Tank Tree is an absolute menace and we need to bring back the guillotine?

[cunning venture]

i said most.

[devout hound]

:(

No specifications, so I can only assume ur reasonable

[oak cloud]

Where the barrier mastery ive been wanting

[cunning venture]

wah wah wah

[devout hound]

Yeah he forgot to list Barrier Mastery. I wanted to vote it. Ts is busted

[cunning venture]

make a good suggestion if you want it

[frozen stirrup]

idk why u pinged me but ok

[cunning venture]

cuz ur online

[frozen stirrup]

bros electric

[oak cloud]

Silly billy

[frozen stirrup]

fair point

[cunning venture]

bro just noticed

[frozen stirrup]

bros pfp is tiger

[oak cloud]

💀

[heady helm]

Rabbit plasma vampire quantum and dos are the most annoying abilities for me rn

God punch is obviously there too but i know its troubling to fix

[brittle garden]

who voted non mastery engi 😭

[mossy widget]

Voting time

[mossy widget]

You should make a poll for abilities with poor concepts in general that desperately need a change (example: ufo mas being nearly unkillable, alch and dos being annoying stat sticks that are unfun to fight, return having no redeeming qualities other than being annoyinf to kill, etc.)

Custom's controller modifier is dumb too

God punch being overly oppressive at close range

[brittle garden]

Remove/gut alch’s raw stat buff pots to make it actually fun

So people actually use the other things

[spring glade]

Which mf put spectator 😭

[brittle garden]

unkillable

needs nerf

everything else sucks because it can die

even butter can die

[stray steppe]

i've killed both spectator and butter users, so no

[cunning venture]

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah spectator cant be punched.. too unbalanced NERF IT NOW!

[stray steppe]

what about ufo?

mastered ufo

[brittle garden]

can die

easily

just use the sucky brickbattler ability

or the sucky non mastered gravity

they all suck though because they die easily

[stray steppe]

if your ability doesn't have a passive, it's a default 4v1 vs ufo mas, and even if your ability does have a passive, it won't be killing ufo mas if it doesn't have the mobility to enter the ufo

if your ability has no mobility, then ufo mas basically gets a free kill since you can no longer punch the cage

[heady helm]

Dos is too op, theres just no good way to kill it especially if it has a teammate

[spark coral]

who voted default

[lavish cloak]

why wouldnt you vote default. All they do is join the game and they already have a move that can kill anything if you use it right

[devout hound]

ah yes, i love ability battles

[tacit prairie]

magnet mastery, i love being killed by infinitely spammable rocks of doom

[brittle garden]

return is the most obnoxious ability in the game

i hope it gets replaced

not even reworked

[devout hound]

(its not)

[heady helm]

Its just annoying

[lavish cloak]

Who doesn't

[brittle garden]

then what is

only other i can think of is bind

maybe bone mastery but like 80% of abilities can counter that

[devout hound]

Pulse

[brittle garden]

eh

not as annoying

return users are literally unkillable if they do what most do which is run in, land like 3 punches, run away, rinse and repeat

unless they're stupid and set their return point near the void

[devout hound]

Two sides of this coin are both stupid

[unreal meadow]

fun fact: 14ds is a notorious return glazer

[brittle garden]

i see

[narrow bridge]

meh
bind clears in terms of being annoying

[swift juniper]

rabbit definitely deserves a way harder obtainment

like malice level hard

[stray steppe]

obtainment doesn't justify how strong something is

[jovial ridge]

fuuuuu i forgot to select plasma

[tacit prairie]

void needs to be balanced also, like wdym i can deal 2 times more damage with no drawbacks

[devout hound]

just deserves a nerf tbh

[zenith summit]

@everyone def magnet mastery

U can spam rock and deflect projectile

def need a nerf

[low storm]

Hot take but dos is overpowered

There's so many ways of getting a streak

Specially if you just have patience

And server wiping capabilities

[stray steppe]

not a hot take, that's just true

[halcyon pendant]

Hear me out Default

Its SOOOOO op def need nerf

[drowsy turret]

And that's why people will target a dos even when they don't have any souls

[low storm]

I don't really do this until they start getting speed tho, Ive been on the other side and know how this feels trying to get mystic, so I let them get a chance to do something

Then when they get 3-4 I go after them

It's more fair

[drowsy turret]

Yea fair, especially if you're trying go get something like puppet which can be annoying if you aren't as good with dos

[low storm]

The issue is that if the person is not after mystic then uhm

Womp

Massive server death

[drowsy turret]

Ok yea true

I'll realistically will target a dos when they get to like 15 souls

Just to see if they are trying to get the mystic orb or not

[low storm]

Targetting people who only use dos to get mystic is devious behaviour

[drowsy turret]

No I mean if they are getting mystic I would leave them alone, but if not I would target them.

[drowsy turret]

Basically the ones who actually get a 35+ streak

[mossy widget]

Thing is, almost every dos I see is going for a high streak

And dos very quickly spirals out of control

[drowsy turret]

That’s why I said I would wait a bit just to be sure

But most of the time it isn’t a dos getting mystic or puppet

I’d just ask first just to see though

[mortal vector]

Alcemest mastery

too easy to get and very overpowered

[fresh hollow]

Return
The user can just run away from their opponent while the ability is on cool down.
It's also annoying that when you FINALLY kill this person, then they respawn with full heath

[mossy widget]

Return ain't even that strong, it has incredible survivability in exchange for bad offense/mobility

I guess you could call it both overpowered and underpowered at the same time

[fresh hollow]

Yeah

[devout hound]

[lavish cloak]

More than it has it's purpose. And is pretty weak outside of it

[patent orchid]

sitting in the mystic room on classic/desert map waiting for a dos to get 15 >:3

[mossy widget]

Just block the room using army mastery

[tiny copper]

easy to obtain and are op (gp by exemple)

[uncut zodiac]

bounty hunter mastery

I think the cooldown is too low

[pure loom]

Im the only one who put egg here?? The mibility is insane once you know how to control it. The damage is halth the hp for the person hit and you barley get any penalties? And you can just heal with it and joke around much just like jester over here. Also as you can tell. Im an egg user

[devout hound]

the fuck you on bro

[pure loom]

Clearly someone doesnt know how to use egg or jusr doesnt even have the golden egg

[turbid pelican]

I mean that’s true

egg is just barely used

even though it’s underrated

[tiny copper]

if you know how to dodge it its easy but its still op ngl

[devout hound]

Rabbit

[night epoch]

guess i gotta keep using mech to beat the idea into people's minds that it is powerful

only two votes on mech is kind of insane.. the ability that is immune to knockback with lasers that shred over half your health as well as access to the top of lobby and nearly all high ground... hmmm

my bias says dont nerf mech though

heh

[night epoch]

play in servers where you have good ping and trust me that opinion will change quickly

also this is kinda an aim issue... the lasers fly pretty fast 🤷

mech specifically is very ping reliant: if you have high ping, the lasers shoot REALLY slowly, and vice versa, having low ping means the lasers shoot really fast

it is viable for killing people tho... i've killed dozens... with the lasers
its just nobody really realizes it

well i guess i cant complain with a buff but trust me you have NO idea

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/lMFTUperRER1EPZph?invite=cr-MSxIc3YsMjYzNjE5MzA2

got some evidence this time (though it wont embed)
no other ability does THIS much damage in such a small amount of time

and at range too

👀

[mossy widget]

Don't talk to him it's the same guy who wants defender to have a dash (yes, including baller and archer)

[night epoch]

dawg what

😭

[mossy widget]

I do not need to tell you why it's a bad idea to give it to baller

And neither do I need to tell you what ARCHER (real name is piercer) has done

[shell drift]

yeah mech is too op since it can be completely immune to most Hitbox extenders

[surreal needle]

Hiveminds hitbox is ridiculous at times and is way to over powered

[pure loom]

The amount of times i see mech getting knockbacked is more than me even punching them, while yes underrated. Boring

[runic pine]

Defaults a bit op rn it needs a major rework

[cunning venture]

got it

ill make sure ducky works with this

[vestal yacht]

couldnt outrun meteor E with 5 alch speed potions and dos 100 souls nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf

[solar root]

I agree defaults too powerful having no abilities is just unfair, and the fact that everyone gets it to start. Its just too deadly of an ability.

[patent orchid]

i got an "am i autistic quiz" ad at the bottom of the page after voting 😭

[burnt comet]

default

[devout hound]

oink

[worthy tinsel]

green scout

[uneven glacier]

Honestly void should sacrifice some main ounch damage for that damage over time, since it's playstyle is already using the damage over time to deal damage to enemies, yknow, over time.

[tulip steeple]

Default needs a nerf

[lavish cloak]

Nah just increase the punch requirement and we're all good

[tulip steeple]

i made a joke but anyways and am i allowed to joke here?

[lavish cloak]

🤷‍♂️

Don't see why not

[tulip steeple]

👍

[dire wraith]

100% rabbit

[stiff hearth]

Default is quite op don’t yall think

[native shore]

Overpowered, or annoying 🤔

[lime stag]

dos is a weak and skill ability

[mossy widget]

Dos is insufferable and deserves a rework

[heady helm]

Is this ragebait

Dos is very obviously op after like 20 kills

You can just go afk for 5 minutes and a dos user will start killing everything

[native shore]

is it just me or are the puppet's bots op

[night epoch]

puppet itself is mid as hell but the minions are strong

[native shore]

they run about as fast as a 3 kill dos and somehow get you into an infinite combo 😭

also gp sucks as an ability

[native shore]

someone killed me with gp while was dos, they said ez dos

[low storm]

this has to be ragebait

anyways why does nobody mention Cheese ability?

cheese has a big issue called being rabbit but pretty much free and with more jumpspam

it's slightly worse but I see nobody complaining about the fact that when used in a spammy way it becomes a true nightmare to deal with it

[night epoch]

probably because cheese is really rare and not used often

any ability with high jump height is a big issue honestly, besides for slime

[low storm]

in this case it also has a small speed boost

but yeah those are an issue

[mossy widget]

Somehow almost all abilities with good verticality are the most annoying

Besides rangeslop ofc

• Rabbit does not need any introduction, piss easy obtainment during easter, can speed itself up and throw a projectile that sloes people down while having 100% ju.p boost uptime
• Tank tree has 100% jump boost uptime and can spam the fruit creating ability to store powerful heals, making it almost as unreasonably good at surviving as return
• Cheese is basically rabbit but slightly worse and the obtainment isn't locked behind a season
• Stardust doesn't have 100% jump boost uptime but has an unavoidable E and a pretty strong Q as well as self sustain

[native shore]

I've really only seen people use rabbit as a toxic ability people switch to when they're mad

[lime stag]

i am fully serious about this trying getting 20 soul with litteraly default is so hard and needs insane skill

[lime stag]

its not :(

[heady helm]

It only takes skill in a scenario where youre only fighting people that play on the same level as you, but that never happens, there are always atleast a couple noobs in the server you can target to get kills pretty easily

[lime stag]

good luck fighting a plazma user with 3 soul

[heady helm]

If that plasma user either stops targeting you for just 5 minutes or goes afk you get enough time to farm kills

Dos is very obviously op if it needs to get targeted nonstop not to get out of control

[night epoch]

tank tree pmo so much

good thing my punch plane can reliably fight or well

annoy it

its still stupidly hard to kill

but if you get lucky you can combo one into the void

[lime stag]

i see what type of person you are

[heady helm]

?

[lime stag]

u are one of the people target everyone

[heady helm]

What

I don't usually target anyone except for dos users

[lime stag]

because dos is easy to kill?

[heady helm]

Because dos gets strong in 5 minutes

[lime stag]

because every other thinks you said is wrong

[lime stag]

"its obviously op"

litteraly default

[heady helm]

It is

[lime stag]

sound like skill isue to me

[heady helm]

Its literally not?

[lime stag]

saying coke is op is same thing

[heady helm]

No coke isnt op but it definitely isnt skilled

[lime stag]

i see there is no need to debate with you then

i never seen someone said coke is not skill

[heady helm]

Then you probably didnt chat in this server a lot

[lime stag]

i do

i see almost every version of the game

dos is one of the most skilled ability i ever see

wantss insane skill to get 20 soul

[heady helm]

Bro

Just kill noobs specifically and avoid anyone strong

[lime stag]

3 noob that follows you with god punch is not easy

[heady helm]

Like i said, dos would be hard ONLY in a scenario where everyone in a server has the same skill level as you

[heady helm]

Oh my days

[lime stag]

thats happends so often

[heady helm]

Almost on every server there's a noob with like 500-3000 punches

Just kill that guy

[lime stag]

almost every server hasatleast 1, 1m player

[heady helm]

And after u do so 10 times u get op

[lime stag]

like i said getting op is hard

even if you get op

whole server wants to kill you

[heady helm]

Ok look i for example have like 120k punches, i have almost never seen a server where everybody has as much punches as i do

[heady helm]

How is that a problem when you have 40 walkspeed and 200 damage

[lime stag]

everyone choses one shot abilities agains you

just main dos for some days

u can see what i mean

[heady helm]

There are no one shot abilities
The only oneshot ability is godpunch, and it doesn't have any mobility moves

Just run away from it

[lime stag]

quantum,glue,uno,plazma (if you can combo good enough),jello,Alchemis

and probibly much more that i forget

[heady helm]

Quantum dimension has very big windup, just run away from it
Glue is slow
Uno is just glue but u have to punch it
Plasma isnt a oneshot? And it still dies in a hit from dos if u dont have ur shield active
Jello doesn't do anything, just dont step on the thingy
Alchemist needs around 2 minutes to get enough potions, which is long enough for the dos user to notice
(And even if alchemist gets a lot of potions, u cant drink more than 5 at once, so u either will be slower than the dos user or you won't have any strength potions which makes you useless)

[lime stag]

lol blud tryed so hard to make them look easy

[heady helm]

Explain why do you think im wrong

[lime stag]

Quantum can close the gap with Q teleportation,Glue slow but eficente they attack with group afterall,Uno is hard to predict,like i said a good plazma user only has to land a single punch then can throw you out from the map with a good combo,Jello can do one shot with Q if you under 50 soul alchemis dosent need to wait 2 minute for being a danger

[heady helm]

Quantum slows down while using the portal so you always have time to run away
Glue is not in anyway efficient if it just cant catch up to the dos lol
Just don't punch uno users (same thing with glue)
If the plasma user is specifically high skilled then we have to take into account that the dos user may be not stupid too and it will fight back instead of getting comboed
Just avoid jello like you would glue and uno
And alchemist cant do anything without a couple potions, and it takes time to stack them, if you don't get 5 potions then you will jsut be slower and weaker than the dos, and even with 5 potions an alchemist user still wont have a dos' stats

[native shore]

alchs can be countered pretty easy if you see them, cus you can get to them via item hopping

[devout hound]

glue and cards???

[lime stag]

they can one shot dos

[devout hound]

that doesnt count

obviously

[lime stag]

good way to say "wy don't you hit back"

[devout hound]

why would that make them "one shots"

[lime stag]

if you hit a uno user while they using E u will fling

[devout hound]

why would you hit them

also that doesnt make them one shot abilities

[lime stag]

because ur a dos

[heady helm]

Again, you can explain why do you think im wrong

[devout hound]

why would you hit them

[lime stag]

are you kidding me?

[devout hound]

alchemist is a one shot tho

[lime stag]

i alredy explained but you started saying the same things that u said before

i don't want to debate with someone lik you

[heady helm]

Kind of but you need a lot of preparation time and it will only oneshot if u get strength potions, so you wont be fast enough to hit the dos

[devout hound]

actually speed pots debateably one shot tbh

[lime stag]

why can't people just accept what i am saying 😔

[devout hound]

because its stupid

[lime stag]

you litteraly said uno wast one shotting dos

your are the one is stupid

[devout hound]

never said that

[heady helm]

"jello is a oneshot"
"It isnt"
"Why cant people just agree with me"

[lime stag]

.

[lime stag]

its can easly throw you from the map

[lime stag]

yea you just show how bad you are at debating

maybe you can say something more accaptable

btw almost every person uses those abilities whle u play as dos

its still hard even in your vision

[heady helm]

So can dos🙏🙏 except dos is fast and can kill u with a singular punch no matter where you are on the map, and jello requires your enemy to fall on your trap while being close to an edge AND if u miss u have a long cooldown

[devout hound]

i said they werent one shot abilities and its obviously not what he meant

[heady helm]

Ok ok look

Dos is god punch

But with 5 times the speed
Doesn't that sound too strong?

[devout hound]

uh noi

you're misinterpreting basic english really

lemme spell it out to you

cards is not a one shot ability. because its not a one shot.

HECK

its not even the one doing the one shotting

yeah its literally not a one shot

the DOS is oneshotting himself

same with glue

they arent one shotting SHIT

[lime stag]

i said its one shotting DOS

NOT one shotting everyone

ur saying dos hits hisself

UNO makes him hits hisself

[stray steppe]

technically it doesn't one shot dos unless it is at 300+ souls, as the increased hp of the dos user outscales their damage

i mean the dos is probably gonna die anyways, unless they're exploiting

[night epoch]

i haven't seen a 300 soul dos in forever

[devout hound]

@lime stag

[stray steppe]

but i want to kill the god punch, i want them to die the moment they spawn, i want to deny them from getting any kills

[night epoch]

god punches dont deserve the joy of being able to kill anyone

rename god punch to divine and make it a healing only ability

no knockback on punches

and it does negative damage

on all it's moves

[stray steppe]

thatd be peak actually

[lime stag]

peak

sadly they wont do that

because they getti hella money from god punch

[hot pilot]

they should rework the god punchs ability its def one of the worst abilities

[native shore]

great april fools change

[native shore]

not saying its op, but i always get caught on the VERY edge of a time freeze :/

[prime heart]

vampire

[unreal path]

Vampire is a joke

[night epoch]

vampire is dangerously powerful

[devout hound]

Vampire is a joke when it comes to balancing

[weary zinc]

Puppet, if you even RESET by them then they take control of you AND the puppets constantly attack

[night epoch]

remove god punch

[weary zinc]

Remove god keep the punch(one punch man ability when?)

[lavish cloak]

just god punch mastery or 200 souls dos atp

[weary zinc]

Fr

[lime relic]

How?

[stray steppe]

spectator can get thrown into the void by engineer,
butter can get thrown into the void by any ability with physics based movement

[solid nest]

whoever said dos is op shows you have never used it.

god punch can't change, well it can but it has to close its core purpose in that it is broken because its payed. tbh i think they can't change as people who bought it would be mad

Alchemist mastery is good but its not broken because it takes time to build up pots and its rather difficult to get

Rabbit i somewhat agree with

Magnet mastery shows your understanding of the game is 0

[stiff hearth]

your just bad ngl

it’s so easy to get souls bro

Just stand near void, void kill

15 souls your like 10x faster then people

Can launch people to the void

35 souls how are you dying

Your insanely fast, one shot cuz you can launch them straight into the void from across the map

70 souls you FUCKING GET IMMORTALITY

100 souls is the only time a good play might die

200 souls bro

300…

300+

like bro

[lavish cloak]

Fr

Once you've got like 5 souls you're faster than everyone on top of the above decent knockback

[versed rain]

DoS is OP

THE SPEED
THE DMG
ABILITIES (70+)....

[mossy widget]

Even if dos wouldn't be overpowered, it's still hella unfun to deal with
Alch mas is literally built to be a "fuck this guy in particular" ability due to pot stacking, also it's not "difficult" it's just grindy

[low storm]

fork found in kitchen

[solid nest]

bro so how do you exactly think alch should be changed mister "wrathful Critic" (lives up to his name)

[solid nest]

yes when you have 70+ i agree but you are missing the point that like 60% of the player base are no where near skilled enough to get to anything near 20 its just like 1 person in each server most of the time/

[solid nest]

what about my statement tells you im bad, i punched a dos in a cave yesterday (default btw) until he died (22 souls btw) its not op because most of the playerbase suck at using it 🥀

not to mention he had 2.3m punches 🥀

[mossy widget]

like dos, reworked to not be a stat stick

[solid nest]

so you think dos is "unfun" but you wana turn alch into it ????

[mossy widget]

reworked to NOT be a stat stick

read

[solid nest]

yes but you said "like dos"

read

[mossy widget]

like dos, as in both dos and alch mas

because their core problem is being a stat stick

plus, alch mas is already a stat stick

so reworking a stat stick into a stat stick doesn't make sense

[devout hound]

I think there's a few suggestions that MMM agrees w

[stiff hearth]

so you wall combo to death a dos?

srry bro

That’s not skill

😭

[stiff hearth]

your statement means your bad cuz YOU are saying it’s bad implying your bad at it implying you can’t even do a void kill on someone or evade a few gp without dying

idiots these days

[solid nest]

had an aneurism reading that 🥀

[solid nest]

i have every ability but vampire and mummy and all masteries bro i have gotten all the souls on dos. I agree getting the souls is easier than when plasma and freeze 1 shot tho

[solid nest]

calling me an idiot does zero for this conversation btw

[solid nest]

it wasn't even a wall combo, for some reason he just kept not hitting me

[solid nest]

dos is just a killstreak gimmic and it puts a target on you the moment you start to build up souls

[mossy widget]

Dos is unfun to deal with in general

It ramps pretty quickly so you are forced to target them every 30 seconds

And if you don't

They become miserable to deal with

[solid nest]

so do you agree its not* op or it is

[mossy widget]

Generally on the later stages it has barely any counterplay

Outside of praying that dos is stupid or alch mas slop

So yes, it can be considered op

But the main issue is that it is insanely unfun to deal with

And that is has barely any counterplay

On later stages

[solid nest]

ok so how do we make a killstreak ability not OP

[mossy widget]

Reworked to be less of a stat stick (reduced damage, kb and speed) in exchange for more passives and abilities

This will allow for more counterplay to exist

[solid nest]

ig that would work but then you might get EVEN MORE annoyed by it

imagine if it had the custom saw blade thingys 🥀

[mossy widget]

Depends on how it gets implemented

[hasty tiger]

sorry if im late but for me its engineer (pls dont hate me) bcuz i basically saw someone creating a literal machine gun flying in the sky.

[solid nest]

bro just fly up to him and blow him up

[hasty tiger]

theres no ability that could fly properly except for engineer or mech or gravity or ufo(?)

[native shore]

Do you have gravity mastery?

[hasty tiger]

I dont have gravity mastery.

[native shore]

Ok

I was going to say you could use it to snipe an engineer down off a platform

[stray steppe]

erm...

[hasty tiger]

and oil and water effect from custom

[hasty tiger]

Whats ur problem? Is there even any other ability that can fly properly??? U can just say it instead of erm-ing people.

[stray steppe]

spring, piercer, bounty hunter mas, hoj, mage, and plasma can all fly

brickbattler can't fly but that doesn't really matter

portal mas can also reach engineer

[devout hound]

mage???

bh mas????

plasma?????

hoj??????

[stray steppe]

remember https://discord.com/channels/922921165373202463/1419179225927127113 ?

[devout hound]

i know spring can

how do you get the others to

[stray steppe]

2nd video in it shows all the other abilities except plasma flying

[devout hound]

so sit/fling control

so i'd guess jester and maybe slime would also be able to "fly"

[stray steppe]

jester flying would be sick

[heady helm]

You already know what new ability is overpowered

[willow meteor]

I misread it as underpowered, and proceeded to vote all the underpowered ones 😔

[hasty tiger]

thankz

[dapper barn]

nerf the sword barrage thing on hoj mastery I think it is

ts is too op

[plain torrent]

hoj mas

[narrow bridge]

The damage really is insane
Landing most of the swords can deal like 80 or 90 damage

[lavish cloak]

its like 50 or 60

[low storm]

90

[inner latch]

default

[cunning venture]

am gonna redo this

[cunning venture]

[OUTDATED] What do YOU think are overpowered abilities?