[OLD] What do YOU think are overpowered abilities?

[late palm]

Make your votes in this link https://strawpoll.com/BDyNz1bD7yR
If you wanna state why mention it in this thread

[flint heath]

vampire

[weak spruce]

Bro

Who deleted

it

😭

[whole plover]

Why'd you add GP

It will not changed at all

[late palm]

data

see what people think

[whole plover]

SPECTATOR?

https://tenor.com/view/robozz-electro-man-electro-gif-14636392030153133537

Grrr

[tall widget]

btw guys god punch wont get nerfed

[rugged yew]

like

[tall widget]

voting it is basically pointless

[rugged yew]

10 ability are brainded

[tall widget]

vote it if you want but it wont change anything

[rugged yew]

being cheap too

[rugged yew]

yay

[flint heath]

#1429105176186192003

[late palm]

VOTE!!!!!!!!!

[rugged yew]

sure

[lilac acorn]

buff it then

[tall widget]

ok

[rugged yew]

why is spectator here

[lilac acorn]

invincibility

[jagged forge]

Didn’t checken do this all the time then nerfed the most voted

[rugged yew]

they should nerf that

[whole plover]

Top 4 voted abilities as of writing this is: Midas, Custom, Alchemist Mastery, Bone Mastery

Beserker is top 5

[late palm]

why not

[rugged yew]

why is most voted midas

bru what

[whole plover]

Honestly

I just voted the abilities I hate

[rugged yew]

hey riq

[ornate temple]

Should've split defender mastery into the 4 individual classes but whatever
Is there going to be one for UNDERPOWERED abilities

[late palm]

i could make one

thanks for the idea

ill do one maybe sometime later today

[ornate temple]

And important thing about god punch
It isn't necessarily overpowered, but it is unhealthy for the game

In a game with PRIMARILY MELEE COMBAT, an ability that INSTAKILLS at MELEE range is problematic

It's also the reason why archer and baller are difficult to balance, because they are primarily ranged attackers

[torn glade]

its plasma

but thats not a bad thing its supossed to be op imo

[gray sleet]

holy shit

pulse is NOT hated nearly enough

[late palm]

so few sweaty pulse mains

so

[quick smelt]

truth

[gray sleet]

too many

[mortal ferry]

berserker pmo so much

[gray sleet]

havent met Overcharge I see

[mortal ferry]

yh overcharge can also be annoying but berserker is another level in my opinion

deals more damage and is easier to hit with the stomp ability

[clever meteor]

it's been nerfed so hard that it's essentially just a worse firework at this point
damage and aoe from a 9 charge orb isn't worth it in the slightest

by the time you charge up another they've healed it all

[gray sleet]

uh huh

fuck pulse

[clever meteor]

also why do people think midas is more powerful than custom

prism bomb + controller is the dumbest thing this game has had since global timestop

[quick smelt]

it’s gonna get nerfed

[clever meteor]

poll is asking what's overpowered right now

as in before that nerf is applied

[quick smelt]

for insight in what to nerf

but customs already getting nerfed

[gray sleet]

ig they can parry the undodgeable 50DMG

i mean

most players use easy to use projectile abilities

so it makes sense that they'd think a good ability that counters projectiles is the strongest

[steel holly]

where’s kick 🙁

[gray sleet]

💔

[steel holly]

oh

I’m blind

[graceful stump]

Why is overcharge higher up than QUANTUM bro-

As an overcharge main, HOW is overcharge more broken than 20 damage per punch.

[gray sleet]

ofc you'd think that

overcharge is honestly more busted than quantum

sure 20DMG per punch and the teleport is very strong

but dont forget about the constant DPS and stuns Overcharge brings

and the insane mobility with the unavoidable attack

insane combos

[graceful stump]

"Ability that can do at most ~55 by using ALL of its abilities with a fairly decent cooldown is worse than an ability with a combo tool and DOUBLE the punch damage" bro

[gray sleet]

I honestly dont see HOW Quantum is better than overcharge

[gray sleet]

at most?

thats at average bro

it deals 70~+

at most

[graceful stump]

Really every overcharge attack is avoidable, meanwhile Quantum kinda just can't be avoided if they're halfway decent.

[gray sleet]

the combo tool and insane stuns

[gray sleet]

X

[graceful stump]

how do you do 70 damage with OVERCHARGE bro

[gray sleet]

Overcharge cannot be avoided if the Overcharge user is somewhat decent

[gray sleet]

M1 stun, M1, E, M1, M1, Q, M1, M1

it literally guarantees every M1

you're seriously undervaluing Overcharge, probably because you want to seem better than you actually are

[graceful stump]

That involves M1 comboes, which are less than reliable, so in reality it would prob be more like 50 because M1 Stun, M1, E, M1, Q, M1.

[gray sleet]

yeah, no

M1 stun stuns them

so u get that second m1 in

then the second m1 stuns them long enough for the E to land

[graceful stump]

Ik, thats why I said M1 stun, M1, then normal stuff.

[gray sleet]

and then the E stuns them long enough for two more M1s to land

and then you can use Q, to guarantee 20 more damage

and 2 more hits

[graceful stump]

E stuns for THAT long bro? The mosf value I've gotten out of it is 1 more punch before Q

[gray sleet]

😭💔

anyways

Quantum is highly counterable by simple M1s and abilities

and doesnt really stunlock

as someone who uses neither ability

[clever meteor]

tbh overcharge is probably skewed because more people have access to it therefore it's more annoying

[graceful stump]

Ok so yeah I get your reasoning now, but I still think Overcharge takes a lot more skill to use than Quantum apart from just punching

[gray sleet]

i'd say overcharge is stronger

[gray sleet]

then again, you use Overcharge

as an outsider, i'd say its quite easy to use

[quick smelt]

if u use overcharge ur a loser

overcharge has that loser aspect to it

[clever meteor]

not as loser as bh mastery

[quick smelt]

like when u see someone using it there’s that acknowledgment

[graceful stump]

It was NOT an easy main to pick up, it was straight up almost useless to me until I got good at punching stuff at around 40k.

[gray sleet]

Quantum is harder as you'd actually need half decent M1 skill

[gray sleet]

then its easy

[quick smelt]

truth

[gray sleet]

you just need standard m1 prowess

also btw

[graceful stump]

half decent, since you SIX SHOT people by just punching

[quick smelt]

adding a straight up gun ability was a horrid idea

[clever meteor]

with a wall climb

[gray sleet]

you're talking about your entire journey

from like being a noob

to like getting somewhat alright skill at 40k

thats not a "hard main to pick up"

thats just ability wars skill

[ornate temple]

Kill off controller in general

[gray sleet]

and you hitting the required skill floor

[ornate temple]

It's dumb to allow you to make projectiles unavoidable

[graceful stump]

Yeah, I'd argue make the projectiles a bit more lenient with hitboxes (apart from bomb) but remove controller.

[gray sleet]

👍

[quick smelt]

idk how they’re gonna nerf it

i just know it’s happening

[gray sleet]

i'd say, keep the hitboxes as they are and remove controller

personally

[graceful stump]

instant worst ability ingame then, since unironically aiming without controller is hell

[gray sleet]

nope

thats just an honest skill issue

[clever meteor]

double jump:

[gray sleet]

cause its very possible to land attacks without controller

also

[graceful stump]

yeah that was a hyperbole, it would be just WAY less worthwhile

[gray sleet]

you missing projectiles doesnt make the ability "bad"

[ornate temple]

Will ufo mas also get a nerf

[quick smelt]

prolly

[gray sleet]

please

[quick smelt]

just spam suggestions about it

[ornate temple]

It shouldn't be able to just remain unkillable

[quick smelt]

and keep bitching about it in genchat

that’s how you get things nerfed

[ornate temple]

Then again it tpok them 7 months to nerf volley

[graceful stump]

I doubt it, maybe disabling going over the void or smth so you can't just turn escape pod into instant death.

[quick smelt]

i think it was reported as a bug

i remember

a testa bug report

[graceful stump]

what's volley

[ornate temple]

Not even a bug

[gray sleet]

archer E

[ornate temple]

Just the consequenses of revoming hitstun

[gray sleet]

wait no Q

[quick smelt]

yeah

yes

[graceful stump]

Oh, the spam thingy

[quick smelt]

it was reported as a bug

[gray sleet]

yeah

[ornate temple]

Consequenses that they REFUSED to deal with

[quick smelt]

might’ve also been suggested

[ornate temple]

Who even reported it as a bug

[quick smelt]

i forgot

i think ver

maybe

[ornate temple]

ok

[valid flame]

Rabbit, return, and custom I really dislike those abilites the most

[gray sleet]

return haters 💔

[quick smelt]

valid

[whole plover]

Tf you mean "💔"

[hollow cloud]

Uh no...its completely balanced 🙄

Don't ever touch vampire, its perfect

[whole plover]

Holy vampire glaze

[jagged forge]

Released vampire was perfect

[flint heath]

no its not

[whole plover]

Yeah

[quaint drift]

What ever the scythe one is, reaper I think. Brain dead huge hitbox spam

[tender hill]

Used to be fun before nerf

[whole plover]

True

[whole plover]

❌

It was worse to deal with

[tender hill]

Yeah but using it was fun

[deft harbor]

[clever meteor]

a sitting duck for any projectiles since it has basically no way of countering them

[quaint drift]

Litteraly any other ability and your fried in a stun lock combo or ur just forced to run

[ornate temple]

Reaper is just slicer dlc and that's a fact

And considering that slicer isn't very good even at level 21 despite the grinding, the bar is pretty low

[gray sleet]

even at level 21?!!!!

i used slicer recently

it kills in seconds

[ornate temple]

See here's the thing

Range kills it

[gray sleet]

meh meh meh meh meh

i dont speak archer

[ornate temple]

And there's, get this, a tin of range

[gray sleet]

i speak goated masculine melee gods

[ornate temple]

And slicer, get this, absolutely LACKS range

[gray sleet]

but it has stuns and teleports

[ornate temple]

So called goated masculine melee gods when they get chipped to death by a bomb user:

[gray sleet]

BOMB MASTERY MENTIONED?

immediate block.

oh god

[ornate temple]

wow.

[gray sleet]

im suddenly sleeping

idk why

but i must hate bomb mastery that much

[ornate temple]

Talking about 2nd path?

[gray sleet]

second path DOES have stuns and teleports

BUT

the others paths have stuns aswell

[ornate temple]

Yeahhhh a janky teleport ain't saving it

[gray sleet]

**skill-based

[ornate temple]

You can't even redirect it during the windup

[gray sleet]

mhmmm

[ornate temple]

And the hell you mean each path has stuns

Define a "stun"

[gray sleet]

freeze path's freeze

and flame path's 1s long ragdoll from its Q

[ornate temple]

You're telling me that sad excuse of an ability has a use?

Still, good luck actually connecting it

[gray sleet]

ez af bro

i didnt mention that i only used flame path recently bro

it deals awesome damage

and stuns ppl for my inf combo and 25DMG M1s

[ornate temple]

What, did they buff it's ability range?

I gotta take a look

[gray sleet]

feels like it

[ornate temple]

(eventually)

[ornate temple]

Still, great melee potential only goes so far when most of the abilities have range

[gray sleet]

AH

atr just give it projectile parrying once the sword is enchanted

[ornate temple]

Might help

[native parrot]

Wait I just realized

How

Did soap

POSSIBLY

Get 3 votes

Technically 2 because it seems someone just voted all of them

[clever meteor]

probably because it's annoying

i find that kinda dumb because there's plenty of annoying but not necessarily overpowered abilities

[round pagoda]

The Only real op abilities I can think of is Quantum

Midas

That's all

[clever meteor]

bounty hunter mastery?

[round pagoda]

And 100 souls dos

[clever meteor]

just 100?

not 300?

or 100+

[round pagoda]

Well 100 souls and after can 1 shot

And are insanely fast

[round pagoda]

And this isn't too op compared to Quantum and Midas

[clever meteor]

infinite range very fast projectiles

with high knockback

[round pagoda]

The only way it can be counted OP

Is if the user using it is Skilled

At it

[clever meteor]

if you consider hovering your cursor over someone and pressing a button skill then sure

[round pagoda]

Well it's also about reaction speed

Can't forget that

[clever meteor]

and don't even get me started on alchemist

[round pagoda]

Yeah let's just say all of those are OP

You have a Point in all of em

Dumb of me to not think about bounty hunter and alchemist

[clever meteor]

base portal isn't overpowered in the traditional sense but it can be used to store a high soul dos user with no repercussion

[round pagoda]

Ufo is better but it can be broken into

Mastered Ufo has a Lockdown Mode and Also can Heal teammates and the owner of the ufo itself

I think the Risk is worth it

Because you get insta heals

And at the same time, the owner of the ufo can abduct others for you

And you kill those trapped

Inside the ufo

And the owner can initiate lockdown so they don't escape

[ornate temple]

Oh I'm sorry WHAT RISK

The fact that not even a quarter of all abilities can infiltrate your ufo

And even if they do

They have no abilities

Meanwhile you have 3 npcs by your side

[tender hill]

God punch and dos?

[cloud socket]

The risk is Quantum freeze or an engineer teaming with a god punch

[round pagoda]

Forgot GP existed

[ornate temple]

that'll never happen

[versed hornet]

who the hell is the 14 people that voted hivemind

and whos the 4 people that voted portal mastery

[tender hill]

Trollers

[tender hill]

Pretty valid tbh it's so easy to get max rebirth rn

[versed hornet]

not valid

hivemind is not that good

if your actually somewhat good

or have a ranged ability

and also again

its a streak

[gray sleet]

cause its OP

you are spouting the worst takes ive ever heard

and acting like its some form of fact

🍅

i wish i had tomato perms here

[clever meteor]

streak abilities are flawed by nature

they are made to be overpowered

and due to changes, aren't even weak from the start anymore (dos' extra speed and hivemind's evos not needing kills)

[versed hornet]

i feel like hivemind stage thing not being reliant on kills anymore was somewhat of a nerf

because the new meter thing

drains your stage

like you cant camp somewhere to heal anymore

or just have hivemind runs lasting 7 lifetimes

and eventually dominating the server either way

[gray sleet]

Why's that necessary

[versed hornet]

as someone who uses hivemind a lot aswell

at later phases

youre pretty much guaranteed

to be on low hp

[gray sleet]

🤮

[gray sleet]

Me?

[versed hornet]

yes

[gray sleet]

Me??

[versed hornet]

yes

[quaint drift]

Overcharge is sooooo annoying for its punches, only reason it’s that low is bc it dosent look good visually

[gray sleet]

what.

[versed hornet]

saying overcharge looks bad is like saying that ruby looks great

[stray geode]

spring still op

remove the tech or smth

healer mushroom dissablees punching, but deals no knockback, wich can lead to inf. combos

[quaint drift]

Spring still op💔

[gray sleet]

ur saying HEALER MUSH is too op and, malice needs a buff?

please dont make me laugh

[native parrot]

They did remove the tech yo

Spring is like techless now

It’s all mobility

It’s like a mix of mobility extenders and reach

There’s no more tech

[quaint drift]

Crystal being better than freeze being the knock off lower punch version is weird

[mortal ferry]

It is NOT the knock of version off freeze 🥀

[quaint drift]

P much

[mortal ferry]

Wat

[stray geode]

yea, healermushrrom kinda broken, try it out youreself

[gray sleet]

and malice isnt?

[gray sleet]

btw i tried healer mush

like a year ago

its no where NEAR the biggest problem

[stray geode]

what is the biggest?

[stray geode]

pumpkins deal 1 damage, like com on

[gray sleet]

They don't 4col

[gray sleet]

Healer mush ain't even top ten

[stray geode]

top 1 punch farm in my opinion xD

[low glen]

soul devour

[deft harbor]

r u sure?

[quaint drift]

99% of devour’s quit before reaching phase 3!1!1!1

[native parrot]

99.9% of dos quit before clicking the pedestal (it’s for the good of the world)

[gilded haven]

Why people aren't mentioning magnet unmastered here? It basically forces the opponent to conserve an ability charge or else they get yeeted off a cliff

It has high range, near guaranteed cliff yeeting, and can punish runners from, well running away from you

Such a simple yet effective ability

[tender nest]

bone mastery

[sleek rivet]

Any ranged attack cancels it
+
Can be interrupted by a punch
+
Only good at voiding

[livid pawn]

can you read, like processing words and stuff,
they pointed that out in what you replied to

[sleek hawk]

easy picks plasama rage dos star dust

[versed hornet]

magnet is a one trick cat

unmastered

not mastered

and like if you just either A

bait their ability

or B

cancel it

you win

thats it

[late palm]

ill be redoing these polls in a few days since there was updates

[clever meteor]

baiting it is inconsistent since its aoe is big and relative to the user
so if the user's ping is high you could just get sucked in regardless

and cancelling it requires certain abilities

unless you get lucky and get pulled in close enough

[versed hornet]

what if their ability is on cd

what now

they are DEAD

gone

[plush osprey]

bounty hunter mast. runs forever, and has Inf range. How am i supposed to fight something with range, great stun and alot of dmg?

[tender hill]

Run faster

[plush osprey]

wow. so usefull

[tender hill]

Alchemist
grapple
Something else with range like defender or uno

And that's just off the top of my head

[plush osprey]

i shouldn't have to switch if the ability was healthy for the game

[tender hill]

Sometimes your just outmatched. Not every ability can counter every other one

[tender hill]

Just don't target them then

[plush osprey]

hard when they're a loser that targets after getting killed once

[tender hill]

You can switch servers or switch abilities it's not hard

[plush osprey]

the server switch is more valid for that

[tender hill]

One of them was targeting me yesterday you just ignore em cos of there cooldowns and there too scared to come close

[tender hill]

True

[heavy sorrel]

why is midas able to counter projectiles

was that really a necessary inclusion to an already busted ability

it doesn't even make sense given the context of the original myth

midas turned stuff he touched into gold, if you threw something at him then the thrown object would become gold, not the person who threw it

[native parrot]

This is why engineer cars turn gold instead of the player now

I think I’ve seen it like a couple times at most

Rare occurrence to see a midas and engineer

[opal cypress]

Alchemist.

Stack 2 speed and 3 power and you can kill anyone

[plush osprey]

also it just such a bummer to fight

[wicked mesa]

Rabbit

Overcharge

Buff

Alchemist

Plasma

Quantum is literally undodgeable

Same goes for pirate

Freeze ice spike hitbox is inaccurate

Berserker leap is undodgeable

Barrier passive cooldown is so low that it makes some abilities completely trivial

Cake mastery does like a third of your health and the hitbox is gigantic

Midas can parry the most obsolete things (like the soap trail)

Magnet mastery boulder has no cooldown

Both pulse skills are impossible to miss (you can use the aoe attack during ragdoll, so some interactions are a guaranteed loss for the other person trying to engage)

Bounty hunter bullet is basically hitscan

[whole plover]

Skill issue

[gray sleet]

?!!

[whole plover]

It was less accurate before

[gray sleet]

also THATS what ur complaining about-

[whole plover]

Just bait the leap then go the opposite way

[gray sleet]

yk that barely works right

[whole plover]

But it does work

[gray sleet]

no not really

they can just

catch that bait

and hit you anyways

honestly that move being undodgeable is a reasonable complaint

[wicked mesa]

great, so its still inaccurate

[wicked mesa]

a toddler might fall for that

[whole plover]

But that's what a Beserker user is

[quaint drift]

90% of this is skill issue

[quaint drift]

Yeah Midas is extremely annoying to beat

[gray sleet]

how-

Rabbit absolutely deserves a nerf

its busted and takes negative skill

[tender hill]

I think they were talking about the entire thing so just replied to the top one

[wicked mesa]

"90% of this is skill issue" and you didnt even name a single one

[pallid flame]

Midas is ez to beat

[cloud socket]

skill issue. its super easy to dodge

[ornate temple]

nicest aw player

[wicked mesa]

keep nitpicking, it's guaranteed to hit if you ragdoll someone and the cooldown is ridiculously low

not that you'd know anything

[cloud socket]

I literally main cake also bro the cd is 10 second its not low

[ornate temple]

10 seconds is pretty low actually

[cloud socket]

low cooldown is what normal cake has: 5 second. 10 second cooldown is in the middle not much and not low.

[ornate temple]

a lot ofa bilities have higher cooldowns

compared to them, mas cake E has a pretty low cooldown

[cloud socket]

tell some of them then other then midas

[ornate temple]

I am playing aw rn

one of them is volley

which has a cooldown of 16

[wicked mesa]

10 seconds is nothing LOL

[cloud socket]

10 second is more then you think you can kill 3 ppl with ice quantum plasma with only m1s in that time

[wicked mesa]

you just listed 3 other abilities i was complaining about

congrats

also, 10 seconds is basically nothing

cosmos E has a 25 second cooldown

[ornate temple]

I wouldn't trust the wiki if I were you

[quaint drift]

Not gonna waste my time but I can skim by it and obviously see that it is

[quaint drift]

Do agree with you on that lol. Impossible to kill those

[quaint drift]

You’ve never seen one I assume

[wicked mesa]

Still cant name any

[quaint drift]

Overcharge, buff, plasma, alchemist, quantum, pirate, freeze, beserker, cake, and pulse are all not that bad. You just suck

[livid pawn]

ima have to disagree with you on plasma and pulse, those abilities are mega buff

[still plinth]

I think overcharge is way too good, but not overpowered

[tender hill]

It's balanced.

[still plinth]

It's like 4k punches though

[tender hill]

Doesn't really change much

It's a simple low cost a ability

It's low punch amount is probably influenced by it before rework tho

So maybe they should adjust that if they haven't already

[still plinth]

it's basically is a free kill if you're even close to the edge

I think the abilities are fine but the passive is too good

[tender hill]

Again it'd pretty balanced. It's cooldowns is fair for what it does and it only really guarantees an extra punch or two

[tender hill]

Most abilities are

[still plinth]

"an extra punch or two' is enough to punch someone in the void from the middle of the map, name an ability that has no set up that can do that (besides gp).

[tender hill]

Not from the middle of the map 💀
And that's why it's cooldowns is pretty long

Most you can use it is two times if your both decent at the game

Probably only once when I use it

[tender hill]

Alchemist mastery

[still plinth]

16 seconds isn't that long

[tender hill]

Just don't go near the edge then???

[still plinth]

I said no set up, alchemist mastery requires set up, unlike overcharge

[tender hill]

No it doesn't it's 4 clicks on the strength one and boom

Overcharge is not op

[tender hill]

Another one is mumny

[still plinth]

I said it wasn't op, just too good for it's cost

[still plinth]

Mummy is limited not 4k punches

[tender hill]

It's not like people spam it anyway but yeah maybe an increase is better

[tender hill]

Even worse anyone who grinds a little can get it

Especially with a whole day of X2 candy

[still plinth]

I don't have enough experience with Mummy to argue on it

[tender hill]

It's tornado can drag you across most of map if you get them in the centre of it

Otherwise if you just catch them off guard it does like 2 punches worth of knockback

[still plinth]

That's what mostly happens

[tender hill]

Yeah but all you need is a group of people pve-ing an I guarantee at least one is getting flung

Even without that just good predictions

[wicked mesa]

Alchemist is bootleg dos, quantum can bail out of any fight with one move, same thing goes for pirate. Berserker leap is the only thing I complained about (because its overtuned since it gives you i-frames while also having a huge hitbox). Plasma has a hitscan laser that can do up to half your health and it has three tps for no reason, you can recall your pulse projectile 10 times before it explodes, meaning you CANT miss it unless you're hot garbage. Calling me bad because i mentioned that the freeze hitbox is still inaccurate to the size of the ice spike also makes no sense? Either just make the spike bigger or tone down the hitbox so it doesnt look like you're getting hit by plain air. You can't even give me proper reasoning why these abilities aren't unbalanced

[tender hill]

You got a point with some of these but
Alchemist is more versatile than just being a weaker dos. But that's just how most people use it.

The pirate move should be cancelable but there's not much they can do about quantum without ruining it

I'm pretty sure the idea of berserker itself was using I frames and it's passive but maybe make it easier to escape the leap when you jump at

Plasma is mostly fine compared to what it used to be but it's damage is a lot sometimes

Freeze one is probably a bug or something they need to fix

[wicked mesa]

Which is exactly why i'm complaining about Alchemist, it could be so much more than a knockoff dos but there's no point in brewing potions other than speed, damage and healing

[wicked mesa]

all that comes to mind is maybe a damage threshold quantum can endure before the tp gets canceled

[wicked mesa]

Giving the leap iframes is overkill, you should be able to catch them mid air and cancel the skill by punching them before they land

[pallid flame]

I have. They can freeze u and freeze themselves with big hammer

[tender hill]

Yeah your right with most of your ideas. But balancing is very biased

[gray sleet]

what.

Overcharge IS that bad

Plasma, DEFINITELY is that bad

Alchemist... WHAT?!\

WHAT DO YOU MEAN ALCH ISNT THAT BAD?!

I understand Pirate and Buff, but I wont go too far to say they deserve immediate nerfs.

[quaint drift]

Overcharge is very annoying for its punch range but like, all 3 of those are counterable by a decent amount of abilities.

[gray sleet]

Freeze is kind of an overreaction

Cake definitely is

but i at least understand

for cake at least

as its damage is absurd

[gray sleet]

boohoo

[quaint drift]

Quantum is very good but saying it’s undodgeable is a skill issue

[gray sleet]

they're counterable.

[gray sleet]

the Q is undodgeable.

[quaint drift]

Which one is that again?

[gray sleet]

having to equip specific counters to counter the most busted abilities

shouldnt be the norm

[gray sleet]

teleport

[quaint drift]

So nerf dos

Which never happens

[gray sleet]

"nah these are fine. nerf brickbattler"

[gray sleet]

DOS is a streak ability. its balanced differently to some random abilities like Buff bro.

oh yeah

nerf DOS

[gray sleet]

Pulse is not fine.

Pulse is the living embodiment of hit-

[quaint drift]

Maybe it’s a case of underated but I BARELY see anyone use pulse for a good reason

[gray sleet]

i fucking hate pulse\

pulse takes zero skill

absolutely dogwaters, counters punching

[quaint drift]

It’s very annoying but not op

[gray sleet]

its absurdly OP

[quaint drift]

Just don’t go into it

[gray sleet]

its literally one of the strongest abilities

[gray sleet]

ah yes, ten projectiles

[quaint drift]

2

[gray sleet]

yk it can counter runners

[gray sleet]

up to ten.

[quaint drift]

Btw, nerf shift

[gray sleet]

it bounces ten times lil vroski.

[gray sleet]

ok u say terrible takes like its ur job

[quaint drift]

Guarenteed hit, decent range, big knockback. 2nd lowest punches ever

[quaint drift]

you and me both I guess

[gray sleet]

shift is literally the only thing new players have

[gray sleet]

im saying busted uncounterable abilities are OP

[quaint drift]

I mean if u constantly run and shift u can’t die

[gray sleet]

you're saying Alch Mas, Pulse and Plasma are fine and they have a "skill issue"

[gray sleet]

yeah, you can

they catch up to you

[quaint drift]

Pulse is not uncounterable💔

[gray sleet]

or use projectiles\

[quaint drift]

How is anyone catching up to u

[gray sleet]

nearly uncounterable

[gray sleet]

you literally teleport into them, they wont go too far

[quaint drift]

What do u think is an op ability? (Besides pusle)

[gray sleet]

also, Shift does NOT need a nerf broskilado

like

its a 6/10

[quaint drift]

For a 50 punch thingy that’s high

[gray sleet]

its worse than shit like Overcharge, Quantum, etc

[gray sleet]

they deserve SOMETHING you actual doint

[quaint drift]

As a very starting ability it’s obnoxious

[gray sleet]

so what if new players get it

they deserve something useable

its called game design

games are meant to be fun btw

so giving new players alright abilities

should be a given

[quaint drift]

So players that grinded the game can’t have good ability’s?

[gray sleet]

heck, Shift is like one of the only useable abilities that new players have 😭

[quaint drift]

NERF QUANTUM NERF QUANTUM

[gray sleet]

are you fuckign dointed

[gray sleet]

ALL players should have good abilities, but not too good to have an uncounterable menace that new players have to deal with

ahem pulse

[quaint drift]

The pulse glaze is wild

[gray sleet]

Rabbit.

you'll defend this

[quaint drift]

I see NO ONE use it, but I will check it out

[gray sleet]

i know you will.

[quaint drift]

I will personally test pulse out

[gray sleet]

its really easy to use

[quaint drift]

To see if your ass at the game

Or the ability is broken

[gray sleet]

if u fail at using pulse

isnt that a YOU issue

[quaint drift]

Gimme a few minutes

[gray sleet]

few minutes?

Is that really enough to get an impression on an ability.

[quaint drift]

Tbh

Yeah

This is a game where abilities are 2 buttons and a passive usually. I don’t need an hour

😍

I don’t have it

Ima need a few more minutes

[gray sleet]

LOOL

bros saying a top fifteen ability is fine

while not actually having it

[gray sleet]

you seriously did NOT understand what i meant.

abilities have learning curves, strategies, and simply some extra functions you'll learn

[quaint drift]

Don’t need every ability to make a point. Chill.

[gray sleet]

so if you think

PULSE is bad

[quaint drift]

This is hella easy 1 sec ima get it

[gray sleet]

then its definitely the timings fault

[gray sleet]

yeah.. you do.

[quaint drift]

Never said it was bad but your acting like it’s a game breaking unkillabke menace to the game

[gray sleet]

its not unkillable

[quaint drift]

No one uses it for a reason, it’s not that op

[gray sleet]

but if ur fighting a pulse who knows how to play the game

you wish you'd be dead.

[gray sleet]

dumb ah

"nobody uses it for a reason"

is such a dumb excuse

because, they DO use it

and its absolutely BUSTED

[quaint drift]

Stfu brooo. You’re the only guy complaining about pulse. THE ONLY ONE

[gray sleet]

the ONLY one?

you forgor about that original message-

heck, most people say its busted

and those who don't. um.. they'll eventually find out.

[wicked mesa]

Dude said I had a skill issue when he didn't even know what quantum skill I was talking about

as if it's possible to dodge a teleport

[livid pawn]

pulse is easily a top 10 ability

[quaint drift]

I’m on mobile so I don’t remember which ability is what letter. Also.
The teleport has a charge up so you can easily miss it, as well as the teleport location being a bit janky sometimes if your moving too. It’s an ability so there’s a cooldown. And you can also jump/juke/move litteraly anywhere to dodge it. And even if after all that your too ass and get hit, it’s only 1 punch bro.

The complaining is not justified

[livid pawn]

missing the quantum tp is nigh impossible if you can aim

[wicked mesa]

Its easy to hit and you can also m1 stack with it, all your opponent has to do is look in your direction, no amount of baiting changes that

you also don't even know how good pulse is

so your opinion is basically worthless

[quaint drift]

Say what you say. If you die to quantum that much it’s a skill issue

[wicked mesa]

who said i died to quantum a lot?

[livid pawn]

dying to quantum perhaps, getting hit by the tp? no.

[wicked mesa]

dude is just typing shit

[quaint drift]

Just an assumption for how much your crying over one ability

[wicked mesa]

All i said was that quantum is undodgeable

which is true

No crying involved

[quaint drift]

It’s not thoughhhh

[livid pawn]

yes it is

[wicked mesa]

If you miss a teleport skill you MIGHT just be ass

[quaint drift]

Yall are playing Agaisnt god tier players, maybe it’s just that 90% of quantum users suck idk

[livid pawn]

if a quantum misses their tp on someone without a mobility tool, then they're bad

[wicked mesa]

Any ability can look ass if you play against an 8yo

[ornate temple]

It's not that difficult to telefrag with quantum

[rare siren]

default!! D:<

way too op

combos too gud!1!!1!!11

[still plinth]

I actually think this game is decently balanced, there are good abilities that are better then most but that doesn't exactly mean they're overpowered

[heavy sorrel]

the humble plasma in question

[gray sleet]

Until the boogieman (Alch Mas) shows up

[hasty swift]

soap 100000%

[versed hornet]

as the "boogieman" can confirm this message

[still plinth]

Ssshhh you shalln't bring that up

[lusty copper]

why was 300 soul dos even nerfed

[versed hornet]

people had a major sickness called...

SKILL ISSUE

[vapid sail]

1: Bind
2: Plasma
3: Cards

Also fix the huge boulder move bugging people inside

also i checked the poll

Who tf voted Robot to be the overpowered ability😭

[gray sleet]

Who tf voted CARDS to be the overpowered ability 😭

[tender hill]

Probably god punch mains 🥀

[whole plover]

And dos mains

[vapid sail]

cards is too annoying when they keep running snd use the reflect when your attack could land

The only thing that could counter cards might be another cards

[tender hill]

cant forget them 💔 . but tbf unless there alt farming they actually worked for it so they have a right to be annoyed when all of it gets destroyed in one move

[vapid sail]

sucks to not be immune to gamepass

[quaint drift]

I sincerely apologize💔

There was a mix of this guy having stupidly large hitboxes but still. PUSLE IS SO F’ING STUPID

Complete denial to combos, and it litteraly makes you knockdowned for 2x longer, letting them get free combos

I hate pulse now

[gray sleet]

man of culture

I knew you'd see the light

[gray sleet]

yep, yep

[gray sleet]

oh you finally found one

[quaint drift]

A pulse user ye

[gray sleet]

fighting h**** first hand eh

[quaint drift]

Litteraly can’t get a hit on pulse ppl

Worst fight of my life

[gray sleet]

😈

[gray sleet]

now you should be GLAD that that god forsaken ability isnt widely used lol

[quaint drift]

I’m blessed by that fact

Don’t want to see another one of those “people” again 😣

[gray sleet]

"people" is putting it lightly

overgrown lab rats

[quaint drift]

H-he wouldent let go of the space bar…

I hated every moment of it

[gray sleet]

hmmmm now you'd probably believe everything i'd say huuuh

what if i say

get this

[quaint drift]

I’ll never deny you again🙏

[gray sleet]

tank tree is worse than pulse

uhhh

magnet mas users deserve to rot

lava users are worse than soaps

[quaint drift]

In the deepest pits of hell indeed

[gray sleet]

hivemind users shouldnt even exist as a lifeform

[quaint drift]

True true

[gray sleet]

time needs a buff

[quaint drift]

All very true, but my eye was raised at tank tree being worse than pulse

Worse as in worse or insanely op?

[gray sleet]

impossible to kill, must get close to void

but tank tree has rabbit jump height

[quaint drift]

Ohhh that part yeah

I’ve never killed one without void

[gray sleet]

and like 400 stud knockback

[quaint drift]

While having little to no knockback itself

[gray sleet]

and, Plant users deserve to fall into the pits of hell

[quaint drift]

Especially when they hide in tree😔

That’s when they need to add the axe ability

[gray sleet]

REAL

[quaint drift]

Chop tree down

[gray sleet]

dude, OVERCHARGE USERS

[quaint drift]

Eww

They want to be beserkers

But somehow are even worse

[gray sleet]

Freeze, Berserkers and Cards are NOT that bad

compared to the seven deadly sins I've just shown you

[gray sleet]

oh yeah

one more thing

thats 200000% true

BH unmas is top ten ability and deserves buff.

[quaint drift]

BH unmas does need more love

[gray sleet]

https://discord.com/channels/922921165373202463/1422058092186701966

smooth right?

[quaint drift]

Also to add to the list.. m-m-midas😨😣😭

[gray sleet]

iron wall defense bro 😭😭

at least it beats fighting a god damn plasma

[quaint drift]

• a massive hitbox attack with 2 variants?! What were they thinking

[gray sleet]

cause take Midas's godly defense and give it 0 to death combos

thats plasma

[quaint drift]

What’s worse plasma now or 1 shot plasma

[gray sleet]

oh one shot plasma 10000%

[wicked mesa]

midas users are always fucking stupid

you walk into them and they counter the air

[gray sleet]

Dude have you heard what oxygen did last night?!!! He's insane!

[wicked mesa]

tell me about it

[smoky igloo]

god punch is number 1 rn

[verbal flame]

bro

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