brave wraith
What do you think about the balance of melee vs projectile moves and abilities? Recently, they've been making some changes to cut down onto the projectiles in order to make melee the more dominant class of PvP.
Is there an abundance of one, a fair amount of both, and how balanced are the two in terms of fighting power?
If you think the balance between melee and projectile abilities is unfair, amount or power, feel free to share a fix in #1329631220656767121.
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zealous sail
zealous sail
brave wraith
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maiden moon
the only melee ability i use is lava which counters range a lot with the anti kb tech
cerulean vine
A good projectile nerf would be a range limit
And also requiring actual aim instead of mindlessly spamming for free damage
maiden moon
What if missing range abilities increased the cd
cerulean vine
Maybe projectiles have a wind up and you are slow during it
cerulean vine
What if missing range abilities increased the cd
Or that
sage cargo
projectiles just counter any melee without mobility
cerulean vine
projectiles just counter any melee without mobility
Which is almost every melee
sage cargo
yea
cerulean vine
So we need to make projectile abilities slower and melee abilities faster
Damage nerfs won't help much
cerulean vine
So we need to make projectile abilities slower and melee abilities faster
We already started by giving combo dashes
maiden moon
Reaper spawning waves npcs on kills?
brave wraith
cerulean vine
Reaper spawning waves npcs on kills?
Could be a cool idea
brave wraith
Reaper spawning waves npcs on kills?
sounds good with tweaks
cerulean vine
<#1329631220656767121>
You guys don't read half of them
brave wraith
i read all of them
several times i day i go through #1329631220656767121 and read ones i havent
cerulean vine
i read all of them
My suggestions have existed for ages yet you haven't even skimmed them
brave wraith
i dont like it when people constantly ask me to read suggestions
also pretty sure ive atleast skimmed yours
cerulean vine
i dont like it when people constantly ask me to read suggestions
I mean... That is one of your main jobs. Don't get mad at people when they ask you to do your job
I get it if they pester you nonstop though
brave wraith
my job is not to review suggestions
my job is to test the game and reading/reviewing suggestions is moreso a perk i can choose to do or not for fun
cerulean vine
my job is to test the game and reading/reviewing suggestions is moreso a perk i ...
True I guess
brave wraith
i understand your side of the conversation and frustration about me not reviewing/even giving your suggestions a good look at
cerulean vine
Tbh I'm more concerned with the devs not reading much suggestions and/or not giving feedback on them
brave wraith
pretty sure checken or ducky read suggestions sometimes
i know ducky looks at a few of them but i dont think he reads a ton
its a lot to read to be fair
maiden moon
Bubble and void are two melee abilities without “mobility”
cerulean vine
I don't see why the devs of all people shouldn't be reading suggestions the most
brave wraith
if i gave each suggestion a full analysis thatd easily consume like 30-60 minutes of my day
cerulean vine
True
brave wraith
i try to leave a decent review on suggestions that have clearly had effort
cerulean vine
Speaking of suggestions with effort https://discord.com/channels/922921165373202463/1330008883774619658
Not mine btw but it's been here a while and is pretty cool
brave wraith
oh i think i remember reading that one
cerulean vine
You don't gotta read it rn or at all if you don't want to
cerulean vine
oh i think i remember reading that one
Peak!!!!
hybrid sphinx
yall keep nerfing the melee abilities
its already annoying enough fighting projectiles
brave wraith
im nothing like yall
hybrid sphinx
some tester said the Buff glitch was like.. intentional
hybrid sphinx
<@1165022836973383733>
like I get that they wanted to shadow nerf Buff
but not being able to punch at all is wayy too far for an "intentional" feature
like do yall even want melees to be equal to ranged?
brave wraith
take a wild guess on whether a bug that makes you completely unable to punch is a bug or not
🤔
hybrid sphinx
take a wild guess on whether a bug that makes you completely unable to punch is ...
it is obviouslyyy
hybrid sphinx
but testers shouldn't be saying shit like that!
brave wraith
thats dec bro
hybrid sphinx
i have to take their word
sage cargo
lol
hybrid sphinx
who..?!
brave wraith
well not anymore
hybrid sphinx
screenshot instead
hybrid sphinx
damnit
oh look
ok this is the first complaint
its not a strength complaint
its pretty much just drink
yeah barely anyones actually complaining about buff
ive already scrolled through multiple days
brave wraith
Ok
brave wraith
hybrid sphinx
after a few pages they started complaining a little more
hybrid sphinx
https://discord.com/channels/922921165373202463/1409984357287858317/140998435728...
imo they shouldnt remove the buffpunch tho
theres other nerfs like straight like jump height, hitbox nerf and also DMG nerfs they can try
actually the best would be a cooldown nerf
maiden moon
Shadow nerfing lava and buff in the same update is crazy
Great lava nerf was reverted
hybrid sphinx
Shadow nerfing lava and buff in the same update is crazy
they DONT want melees to be viable
as soon as they find out Mage is actually a melee
they'll nerf it the next update
maiden moon
Lava e is a prefect balance of a glass cannon
hybrid sphinx
Lava e is a prefect balance of a glass cannon
no not rlyl
its not balanced at all actuallwy
maiden moon
Super strong in combos but will die to thing with ragdol
brave wraith
they DONT want melees to be viable
they are trying to tone down the amount of projectiles
hybrid sphinx
they are trying to tone down the amount of projectiles
oh yeah i forgor about that
mb
brave wraith
just because an ability is a melee doesnt mean its immune to all nerfs
hybrid sphinx
just because an ability is a melee doesnt mean its immune to all nerfs
yeah okay :(
Alchemist is tho
and its both ranged and melee
maiden moon
“Let’s revert lava e to it original”
brave wraith
yes that actually shocks me how alchemist mastery has received like 1 nerf in recent times
hybrid sphinx
also isnt Bomb Mastery melee now?
maiden moon
Like removing a buff that made an ability viable was silly
hybrid sphinx
Like removing a buff that made an ability viable was silly
telepunch moment
maiden moon
Tele punch was unfair
hybrid sphinx
Tele punch was unfair
give it a windup
maiden moon
I frames combo extender 💔
hybrid sphinx
I frames combo extender 💔
plasma moment
brave wraith
telepunch removal was 100% justified
maiden moon
Short cd too
brave wraith
if you tell me otherwise im not arguing with a wall
maiden moon
plasma moment
Plasma is 100k and is meant to be op
hybrid sphinx
if you tell me otherwise im not arguing with a wall
i love walls
maiden moon
And plasma is avoid able too ish
brave wraith
how would you do that exactly
hybrid sphinx
yeah it kinda does
hybrid sphinx
windup would basically be removing it
not rlly
brave wraith
people use it for combo extending and escaping
hybrid sphinx
yeah
brave wraith
neither of those are really cooldown dependent
hybrid sphinx
it helps that it had a 7s cooldown tho
maiden moon
Politely stop trying to add back tele punch with nerfs
hybrid sphinx
Politely stop trying to add back tele punch with nerfs
:(
brave wraith
aand im arguing with a fucking wall
maiden moon
How would tele punch have a wind up
hybrid sphinx
you stand still charging up for a second
brave wraith
in that case teleportation distance would have to be drastically increased
maiden moon
If you want to use tele punch go to 100 players Fr
hybrid sphinx
classic mode if it wasnt ass frfr
sharp spire
Hey wanna know a fun fact about archer
It does around 80 damage if all arrows connect
And has a 16 second cooldown
Giving it an effective ability dps of 5
For reference, let's pick our near and dear midas and compare it's E ability
At max scaling
Has 39 damage with a 20 second cooldown
Which keans it has an effective dps of 1.95
See the difference?
Even if you miss like 2 arrows and hit 3, archer's volley still gets an effective dps of 3
On top of the relatively low level requirement of 7
Genuinely why is archer always the most problematic one
Out of all defender classes
hybrid sphinx
its also hitscan
sharp spire
its also hitscan
No it's a projectile
hybrid sphinx
No it's a projectile
that you cant dodge
bronze sorrel
Projectiles are the meta
twilit copper
out of all abilities mastery defender archer feels most unbalanced in long range and most weak in close range, until you get the q ability and just demolish unsuspecting players
i feel like archer players should be rewarded for going for other options other than staying at lvl 7 upgrade constantly, due to the annoying debuffs of other paths
extremely long charge time of the high damage arrows which makes missing it extremely unrewarding while also still making you highly slowed down while charging it until like 10 seconds after fully charging it, it also breaks the consistency of archer users who account for gravity constantly making it annoying
the unreliable crossbow having minimal knockback and piercing but its practically idential to the normal arrows except the piercing and having slower recharge rate, it also breaks the consistency of fast recharge from normal archer, but it usually isn't that annoying
Middle path really works only on large amount of targets in specific area, as you usually don't get the effect by using the ability on 1 person unless they are large (like buff for example), it usually deals minimal damage to even close to being smart opponents who obvious are gonna dodge the random arrows from archer and being somewhat unpredictable
cerulean vine
out of all abilities mastery defender archer feels most unbalanced in long range...
I have a suggestion for this
Like an entire suggestion for overhauling archer
brave wraith
brave wraith
sharp spire
out of all abilities mastery defender archer feels most unbalanced in long range...
Archer is also the best defender class
(And baller is the 2nd best)
brave wraith
closing this