╙🖇mods-making-discussion

[teal pier]

problem is, I have to move each frame into place, and it kinda hard cause I don't remember the previous pose.

[neat meadow]

Damn

Rip

[teal pier]

@undone lily Would you know why adding a grenade launcher reload animation to the hud OMF file makes it crash? All the bones are in the animation and I am exporting it the same way as I did the previous animations.

[teal pier]

Fixed it, no idea why but I had to add numbers to every Skls name...

[tired plaza]

Hi friends, real simple question and real simple mod. I want to rename the patches to follow a nice format of "Patch - Faction" in order to have them nicely sorted in the inventory rather than all over the place (assuming the inv is sorted alphabetically by name and not underlying item ID ).

I unpacked Anomaly and found the st_items_patches.xml file with their names.
What's the process for applying the update as patch in the modlist? Setting up a folder format of gamedata/configs/text/eng/st_items_patches.xml and putting that as a mod in GAMMA RC3/mods/?

[tidal elbow]

Can't help with that (sorry ) but I'm looking forward to this mod, good luck

[undone lily]

You are correct. But they won't be sorted any differently

[tired plaza]

Welp

[tidal elbow]

@small lynx only mods in #🖇old-mods-posting

You can make comments in here

[small lynx]

my apologies sir, i will keep that channel clean from now on

i always ignore this one

[boreal dust]

Anyone have any idea where the faction patch prices are? Trying to make them sell for less....

[boreal dust]

He's finally starting to seeeeeee!!!
#📎to-do message
@undone lily
This is the one i use/edited already, feel free to poke around for the bandage rates in there that i use, or not, w/e. ❤️

[tidal elbow]

@boreal dust can I add your ANUS () to (my) GAMMA? Do I need to do something in particular to make it work? Is it okay if I use it mid game?

[boreal dust]

Yeah man, should work as-is, the only thing is making sure it's loaded after all gamma stuff, and if you run any custom or non-gamma mods they might not be compat.

Have fun with my anus

@plush olive Hey good job on the psy helmet mod/addon thing. Dont get discouraged by the emotes on the post, i think anyone playing with the files and modding should be encouraged so i think its pretty cool. 👍 (i also meme-emoted you for fun tho 😉

[boreal dust]

i dont know if its the same for the faction patches, but when i was making the PDA Manual, i found that xml for it (atleast i think it was the xml) worked by the coded name of the file.. So instead of naming the Freedom patches as "Freedom Patch" to "Patch Freedom" i would actually need to rename the ID of the item from freedom_patch to patch_freedom Now again i dont know if thats the same thing, maybe this was a waste of time but i saw what you were talking about and wonder if maybe thats what it is.. Basically instead of working based on the 'text' name it works based on the 'string' name. (alphabetically) but i could be wrong. Keep in mind that doing this though, if anything else uses or relies on that string it probably will break that. (Because you would essentially be renaming it and other files/dependancies [if theres any] would think it no longer exists)

[tired plaza]

Yeah I had the same thought line with the ID being the sorted part. And considering the patch lottery, any icon files that point to it (in both vanilla and modded updates), etc etc, I don't really want to go down that rabbithole for a minor change

[boreal dust]

Pretty cool idea though. Patches naming always annoyed me when it sorts in the inventory 😦

[tidal elbow]

I'm basically using stuff that comes from #🖇old-mods-posting so everything should be compatible, I'm already using some of your mods
I'll make sure to put it at the bottom with the rest

[small lynx]

yo @knotty prawn good job bro

#📎to-do

[boreal dust]

True, but DLTX works better imo. The less over-rides the better. edit: added

[small lynx]

@boreal dust info on the mod?

the better hitboxes

[boreal dust]

Yes. It's on the description of the addon

[small lynx]

i havent had many problems with the hitboxes so idk

oh its for the player

that makes sense

this will also probably fix me getting killed through terrain somehow (thats how i lost one of my ironman lives)

[boreal dust]

Perhaps, yes. Previously enemies could shoot at an invisible part of the actor. Now they have to be a lot more accurate. No more getting shot from around corners etc

[undone lily]

Don't you have issues with the stairs and ladders ? @boreal dust

[boreal dust]

Yep. They arent as fluid as previously. Its not that noticeable for me. It's a small inconvenience to stop being killed when i shouldn't be

Maybe theres a better middle-ground somewhere.

@undone lily grok_bo grok_nes and grok_artefacts_random_spawner all have a few instances of printfs that print to console. Are these left on intentionally or is it accident? Just wondering as i made an addon to re-comment them out to stop the console logs.

[undone lily]

Yes it's normal

[still meteor]

[tidal elbow]

Put it in #🖇old-mods-posting

[still meteor]

i only did clear sky

[regal bolt]

CS enjoyer

[small lynx]

good thing im on my cs run

(second one)

post it

[vague sphinx]

Honestly I'll pass on new portraits, I would miss the leather jacket portrait too much for each faction

[still meteor]

i want to know

where i can remove the dark edges

wtf

[small lynx]

good addition

[static sundial]

@undone lily in the process of implementing weighted spawns for zcp i've been able to reliably reproduce the "too many controllers" bug. it's definitely fixed nnow

[small lynx]

aslan's secure the base quest needs to be fixed

its so agonizing

i had to kill a controller and a pseudogiant in that quest

at the start of my run

[undone lily]

Nice !

[undone lily]

Controllers are like, 1 Toz 106 ammo

Pseudogiants are free money

[static sundial]

(it happens when loading a spawn template section fails in a very particular way, leading to a lua table only filled with tier 3 mutants)

[undone lily]

[small lynx]

idk man, i had a hard time killing the pseudogiant but found a grav anomaly nearby

the controller was ez

but im just mentioning

[undone lily]

Merc is hard

[small lynx]

truly

[undone lily]

But honestly when you know what you are doing, Merc is the best

Action everywhere

9x18 AP + Buckshots or .45 Hydrashock and you dominate the south already

[small lynx]

yeah theyre fun to play but also hard

badass mofos

[undone lily]

Yup

The voice fits pretty well lol

[small lynx]

yeah, the dopamine and adrenaline rush in a firefight when you dome a dude and you hear your character scream something loudly like "We are coming for you! DO YOU HEAR ME?!"

good job on that update, honestly

[still meteor]

well, i change them, only to realize it will obviously change the current outfit pics

[vague sphinx]

Yup, the sole reason why I wouldn't use it, could be better if it was an extra, to get even more variety on top of the originals

[still meteor]

i have an idea

probably one of the worst solutions, but it is one

[vague sphinx]

Delete everything & everyone GAMMA related until you become the ruler of the server and vaporize Grok from existence ?

[still meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-ill-do-it-gauntlet-gif-13804455

[tidal elbow]

@boreal dust how the hell can I get this

I'm going crazy

[random fulcrum]

download the whole repo and then install via mo2

[tidal elbow]

Hmmm

Okay

[boreal dust]

howd you go?

[tidal elbow]

All good, I've mad some zips of what I wanted to use

[still meteor]

almost done

[undone lily]

Talk about this to Dux I think he needs it / is doing it

[still meteor]

already released it

i posted into #🖇old-mods-posting

[small lynx]

also @knotty prawn

i apologize for the ping but i wanted to say one thing

the little thing you did with the npcs can die mod

it makes death animations redundant

intended or?

[knotty prawn]

I don't use that mod, so I cannot say unfortunately

[small lynx]

ah, damn

[merry ginkgo]

I tought recently about a "dogtag" mod (like in Tarkov), where you could see by who the stalker was killed....
Idea came in a recent playthrough when I came by the training fanatic mission, and just found a thicc juiced military dead, with bunch a loot and a fully kitted RPK, I would've like to see what killed him....
i'm not mod maker so this is just for discussion !

[vague sphinx]

What's this ? x) GAMMA Weathers ?

[small lynx]

imagine the names of the npcs were removed and you could only get them by talking to them

and seeing their dogtag

[clear lion]

Hey guys, how do you DLTX an already existing mod? I tried to use the tool, but the cmd thing closes instantly when I launch it

[knotty prawn]

It's like the third comment on moddb

[clear lion]

I'm fucking stupid and blind

Oh wait I was just looking at the wrong place

Okay so, I've tried this method and it still doesn't work

And oddly enough I can't find the comment you showed

[knotty prawn]

Are you on the right modpage? https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/dltxify-by-right-click-for-modders-tool

Also, make sure to also copy the " at the end and beginning of the argument line

[clear lion]

Oh no, I was on the OTHER DLTX thing

Sorry to bother

[knotty prawn]

All good, hope it works now

[clear lion]

It works, I got what I wanted, thanks for the pointers

[knotty prawn]

Perfect, happy to help

[clear lion]

Uhhh, @knotty prawn sorry to bother but there's another problem

turns out when I DLTXify a mod it just creates a folder with nothing in it

[knotty prawn]

You have to unpack the Vanilla files first

D:\Games\Anomaly\tools and run unpackerALL.bat

[clear lion]

I already did, but I used the normal unpacker, not the all unpacker

oh, ALL

okay, thanks

[knotty prawn]

Yess

Also, you have to rename the folder it creates to just "unpacked", so remove the "_", and place it in your Anomaly root folder

[clear lion]

okay

[knotty prawn]

Sorry, forgot to say the first time around

[clear lion]

Nah it's okay, I should have figured it out myself

[undone lily]

It's called patches...

[merry ginkgo]

wait you can actually see who killed the stalker ?

[undone lily]

No but do you really care ?

Forget about it, because it will clutter your mdata and fuck up your save in the long run

[brave prism]

#🔨base-gamma-support

[tidal elbow]

@knotty prawn I've found a little conflict in one of your mods, this one:

Basically your mod overwrites this:

Making it impossible to find ammo parts on dead stalkers

If I knew how to solve the conflict I would have done it myself but I have no idea what I should do
A quick WinMerge shows the lines that are missing but I don't know if I just need to move the missing one to your mod

EDIT: I'm trying for myself, the files are now identical, I've moved what was missing in your mod from GAMMA Economy, I'll see what happen

If it doesn't work, I'll just disable it, just wanted to let you know about it

[knotty prawn]

Hmm, I merged it with the mod that overwrote it last, so there should be everything in there. But you can try, winmerge is really easy

And please tell me if it works of course

[tidal elbow]

Yes I will

@knotty prawn Ayyy we're business babyyy

I'll try with some other stalker

Ayyy two in a row

Okay I can confirm, it works now

[knotty prawn]

Very nice, can you send me the file?

[tidal elbow]

I wanted to but I have two of them, GAMMA Economy and your mod

Which one do you want?

[knotty prawn]

Ehhh, the one that works? You can just send me the death_manager file 😄

[tidal elbow]

Okay I'll need to figure out which one I've changed then

[knotty prawn]

Classic problem

[tidal elbow]

In theory both are the same

So you just need to put this file inside both folders, GAMMA Economy and your mod

Because what I did was literally this:

Open WinMerge with the death_manager file from GAMMA Economy and your mod

Check out what was missing from what

Your mod was missing something from GAMMA Economy

So I basically copy-pasted what your mod didn't have

Result: identical files

I'll send you the file

[knotty prawn]

Yeah, I got that, I just asked for the file to safe me the work

[tidal elbow]

Yeah sorry just wanted to make sure

[knotty prawn]

Thanks man, appreciate it

haha all good man

[tidal elbow]

Straight from your mod

Here's the backup as well

[knotty prawn]

Thanks man, now I can enjoy ammo parts on bodies

[tidal elbow]

Good thing I've noticed it and asked Grok about it

Your mod was conflicting with his mod because you didn't have those missing lines

[boreal dust]

Nah i spent most of the day yesterday trying to port over a dumb meteor event to gamma from 'Stalker complete 2009' . Sort of works, but theres a couple more hurdles and i think im almost done with it for now (giving up) xD

[vague sphinx]

You did a great job then, but now that you mention it, there is that strange thing that happened the last few minutes in my playthrough

[boreal dust]

lol is that a flare?

The way it lights the world seems like a flaregun

[vague sphinx]

I have no idea honestly, never caught that before x)

Made me think of the same kind of event somehow

[still meteor]

isnt it a leftover script

[vague sphinx]

Anyway, if you can get it right, I'd be happy about it

[limber briar]

just a red forest thing

[still meteor]

from cs? or something like that i read time ago

[vague sphinx]

It was above Limansk bridge for sure

[limber briar]

it does that anytime you load the map

[vague sphinx]

Oh, I never noticed due to never entering at night

[vague sphinx]

Only Meadow, Radar, Pripyat, Outskirts, Jupiter, Zaton, CNPP & Generators remaining, I'm starting to see the end finally

[boreal dust]

I think it would be neat if there were a couple more 'Legend' stalkers floating around the game. it's nice ther's usually 1 or 2 but i dont know or understand why most are Monolith. Anyone got any insight to this?

[random fulcrum]

monolith is the biggest faction, that's why they're more likely to top the charts everytime

you can see that in warfare

renegades would never be in top 100

or basically any south based faction

[boreal dust]

Might be one for Grok - Just wondering what's up with the items in debug menu? There's stuff in all sorts of categories i don't think they belong. Quest items in Misc, Repair stuff in Tools, misc stuff in Tools, it just looks messy as heck... Just wondering if you know much about how to re-categorise items. Just saw cigarettes in 'drinks' lol 😛

[boreal dust]

Currently going through all items in the game as GAMMA currently stands and updating the death_items (corpse loot) tables. There's a bunch of stuff that doesn't drop from any corpses of NPC's ever, this is just the mutant parts/meats/bodyparts section.

Going to try to make some stuff drop from factions in a thematic sort of way. ie; Higher chance of scientific specimens to drop from high rank ecologists, (including the new ones) etc.

[tidal elbow]

Give this man the modder role asap

[boreal dust]

aaaaaand didn't save and changed folder name by accident and lost everything. Oh well, here we go again 🤡

:Grulags Plan:

[brave prism]

[boreal dust]

These also do not appear to spawn in any corpses.. Although im not 100% sure, i think ive looted yadulin a few times. maybe theyre added another way somehow.. i have to check that out.

Ah, they are in stashes and containers.

Cooked food that doesn't spawn on corpses. Presumably intended, as you have to cook it. Still, a tiny % chance to find some of these on some high rank npc's would be interesting.

Also seems the __1 next to items is how many 'uses' it spawns with. Presumably this means that certain items can be given more charges on loot, if the item is in the loot pools. Probably best for higher ranks though. ie; getting a 4-use matches instead of a 1-use from higher rank

[boreal dust]

Hey @undone lily There's an addon that makes powdered cans able to be explosives... is this a better use of powdered cans? might make explosives more interesting.

re; #📎to-do message

[undone lily]

I smell issues with mutants already

Like, crashes lol

Powder cans will just yield some powders of each type

Like blue green red or something

[boreal dust]

@undone lily Does Gamma have anything injecting to corpse loots outside of death_items.ltx? (and assuming base ZCP.. unless it's edited?) (and also the ammo powders/casings etc)

[undone lily]

most likely yes

don't remember right now

skill system I think

[boreal dust]

[tidal elbow]

@untold imp

Come here

Less crowded

[untold imp]

Ye

[tidal elbow]

I can help you better

So, that thing

It's different

[untold imp]

Because there's nothing pinned here that could help me

[tidal elbow]

Yeah don't worry, it's more of a "thing you should already know"

Take a screenshot of what you can see inside

I don't remember what's in there

[untold imp]

A bunch of folders

[tidal elbow]

Yes

Basically, you need to "transform" them... in zips folders

[untold imp]

Oh lmao

[tidal elbow]

It's very simple

[untold imp]

Ok gotcha I can do that

[tidal elbow]

Perfect

When you've done that

Open MO2

Select the mod

Choose the name (press Arrow Down to autocomplete when you need to give the name)

Enable

Done

[boreal dust]

Guys i am playing with a combat-music mod.. im thinking to replace tracks with other ones that are exhillarating, to try to create a sense of threat and danger. So far i have Hans Zimmer - Mombassa as one of the tracks. As soon as you get into a fight this plays. What are some other tracks you guys think might fit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPgPxGX6nNo

Play the game in a firefight with that in the background, its epic.

One of the other tracks i have added. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nRHsFyZkyM

[spark tangle]

looking for specific genres or can we go wild?

[boreal dust]

Hmm it would be good if it could be used in a scenario where you are about to showdown with a bunch of baddies. Something that goes well with that sort of tone. Havent really got any limitations, so i guess if it sounds good and fits well?

[boreal dust]

Added another epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6nm8WMzFp0

[vague sphinx]

@boreal dust What do you think of this one ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip1iFZpUqIo

Might not fit though, but I like it honestly x)

[random fulcrum]

i think i might have found a fix for friendly fire damage

although it's a gross hack, from my testing it is working

[boreal dust]

Updated the Mutant Loot Overhaul to carry across Groks changes to make medicine even more rare from mutants.

[random fulcrum]

like, yeah it's gross, i just slapped some code into pba on_before_hit functions before artefacts are processed

and it worked like a charm

[boreal dust]

@undone lily the ISG and Merc voices files that were updated recently, are they using DICK models or something else? I was comparing changes to check against ANUS and some <visual>model</visual> changes that came up caught me by surprise. Where did they come from? It could just be me not having updated ANUS at some point, but i didn't think i missed anything so just wanted to check with you. Cheers edit: or it could be that addon (the merc voices etc) needs compatibility with DICK? (Assuming that it hasn't already been) Or maybe mine is outdated..

[boreal dust]

Anyone ever tried a higher time factor? Been playing with an increased time factor so that instead of every 6 seconds = 1 minute, every 10 = 1 minute. Feels a lot better to me. Days and nights feel a little bit longer. Before it always felt like time went too fast but this feels just right 👌

[still meteor]

i remember seeing someone that posted a addon that showed the min condition for usage of repair items in the inventory icons, does anybody have the link?

[opaque current]

#old-feedback-suggestions message

This?

[still meteor]

thanks

[opaque current]

[undone lily]

It does yes. It needs compatibility with dick. But everything works so far it seems ?

[boreal dust]

@undone lily How can i commit code to GAMMA via github? ie; take something and DLTX it and send it back (for example the latest dynamic task update). I'd like to help DLTX a bunch of stuff in the G.A.M.M.A. <addon name> sections. (if that's cool with you, ofcourse..)

[regal bolt]

@boreal dust Just want to say a big thank you to all the work you've put in your addons for GAMMA!

[boreal dust]

Thanks mate, appreciated. Grok is the real MVP though. I make stuff for my game and just share it incase anyone else wants it, but hes the one taking on suggestions and ideas etc from everyone and making the beast that is GAMMA. Cheers none the less! ❤️

[regal bolt]

Of course, and i thank him as well and did in the past! Gamma is getting better and better

[boreal dust]

Dead Bush textures are up. #🖇old-mods-posting

You and the enemy now be like

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

Textures aren't usually my thing so i dont know much about how they work, i have a feeling there might be some LOD issue maybe? Not sure havent really tested so let me know if any issues.

[static sundial]

look at System Shock 2 OST

it might be a bit too electronic for your taste (IDK i think it fits) but its perfect

driving, but not obnoxious

[undone lily]

Fork gamma repo make your changes and create a pull request

[undone lily]

@boreal dust which bushes did you use ?

In terms of textures

[boreal dust]

DeadZone

[boreal dust]

For Grok; For G.A.M.M.A. <Addon name> 's addons, is there any factors that determine if an addon is created/made as DLTX'd or not? Some aren't and some are, and im just wanting to understand the method so i don't go changing or play with things that isnt helpful, to know in-advance where i might start looking. otherwise if there's no real reason things aren't i can just take things and run with it and see if you want it or not.

[tidal elbow]

@vague sphinx "- HUD v5: Quick bar + Ammo Display LEFT side"

Can I have this without all that CS stuff?

Give me a sec, I'll explain why, I need to take a screenshot

[vague sphinx]

Don't you just need to uncheck minimalist HUD ? xD

[tidal elbow]

Oh it's only that?

[vague sphinx]

I mean, it's base GAMMA actually x)

[analog elbow]

Anyone here know about modding textures

[vague sphinx]

If not, just extract the folder from it x)

[tidal elbow]

Okay here's the why, I'm using a specific file that goes in "GAMMA UI", without Minimalist HUD

Problem is

No Psy bar

No radiations bar

[vague sphinx]

What kind of screenshot do you want to take ?

[tidal elbow]

I don't need to take a screenshot, I want this (look at my screenshot) with those two bars I'm missing

I assumed your mod had both of those bars, yes

[vague sphinx]

It happened to me when I pressed H or 0 (numpad) one too many times

Pressing it again brings it back to normal

[tidal elbow]

Unfortunately this isn't the case

I'm using this file

I don't remember who send it here, I asked for it

This goes inside GAMMA UI, replacing the one that is already in

[vague sphinx]

But why though ?

[tidal elbow]

• you need to disable Minimalist HUD

[tidal elbow]

IIRC is in order to have that ammo counter, like the "icon"

[vague sphinx]

Oh, and if you open both files to compare ?

[tidal elbow]

It only change one thing, the position of the icon of the ammo counter

The position of the icon of the ammo counter

[vague sphinx]

I can send you mine so you could compare the two

[tidal elbow]

Yeah if you want

Like I said, my problem is that using that file, takes away psy bar and radiations bar

I'm looking for a way to keep them, because I like that "ammo icon"

[vague sphinx]

Here you go

I'm not sure if it will help though

[tidal elbow]

No it doesn't, like I said the only thing that gets changed is this one

Basically this

It moves that "health" thing more on the right

[vague sphinx]

Maybe it comes from the XML Files ?

[tidal elbow]

Like I said (I'll repeat just to be sure) I want this (big circle) + those two bars that I'm missing

[vague sphinx]

Yeah, I get that but honestly I have no idea

The file I'm modifying is basically maingame_16.xml all the time

[tidal elbow]

Rip then

That's why I asked you about your HUD

But I guess your HUD only have this one

[vague sphinx]

Can I try your file to check ?

[tidal elbow]

What do you need?

[vague sphinx]

The script

[tidal elbow]

Here, like I said I've asked for it, it's not "mine"

[vague sphinx]

So I can see what it does on my side and see if I can find a solution

[tidal elbow]

I've just changed this file inside GAMMA UI + disabled Minimalist HUD

Nothing else, nothing more

[vague sphinx]

Yup, same for me, that's a weird one

I'm going to try something else

[tidal elbow]

@vague sphinx I've tried with Minimalist HUD enabled, that's the reason why I can't see those two bars, because they are inside this mod

Ammo icon and quick slot are obviously gone, the "health" icon is still there because the GAMMA UI file it's the same

It's something controlled by this mod but I have no idea on "how to take those two bars and move them into another mod without using the actual mod"

[vague sphinx]

Try removing the script, use the original one, then, on minimalist HUD, use the file contained in my mod

[tidal elbow]

I'm trying to find that specific HUD I want, that's the problem

[vague sphinx]

Basically, you'll just need to put the modified script in GAMMA UI like you already have, then in GAMMA Minimalist HUD, you use my maingame16.xml

[tidal elbow]

Okay maybe I'm almost there

[vague sphinx]

It does this on my side

[tidal elbow]

01.Default\gamedata\configs\ui\HUD Options (Copy & Replace the One Below)\HUD v5 Quick Bar + Ammo Display (Left)
This is one thing

[vague sphinx]

Don't mind the blinding stuff

[tidal elbow]

YES

I want that

You have everything

I'm trying to have THAT but without skins, reskins, recolor, etc.

[vague sphinx]

You just need to do the thing instructed above, take the maingame16.xml from my v5 folder, put it inside the GAMMA minimalist HUD and replace the one there

[tidal elbow]

Hm okay

Let me see

[vague sphinx]

This way you have the vanilla one without any recolor

Keep the modified alticons in GAMMA UI though

That moment when I talk like a Sunday type of modder when in fact I don't know anything xD

[tidal elbow]

Okay so, to recap:

GAMMA UI, needs to be enabled, alticons.script MODIFIED inside
Minimalist HUD, needs to be enabled, maingame16.xml from your mod

Correct?

[vague sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-youre-right-youre-goddamn-right-gif-12030781

[tidal elbow]

Okay, let me do the thing and I'll let you know

[vague sphinx]

Yup, I'll be there

[tidal elbow]

@vague sphinx And it's sweet... sweet... sweet victory...

The only complain I can have is that the "health" thing always stays there no matter what BUT I DON'T CARE

[vague sphinx]

Have I been granted the title of Master within the Jedi Council ? xD

[tidal elbow]

Yes you have

[vague sphinx]

Weird, didn't do that for me x)

[tidal elbow]

Thank you for the help ❤️

[tidal elbow]

What?

[vague sphinx]

Well, you've seen the screenshot

No health thing

[oblique yacht]

how would you edit textures? more convenient to ask here

[tidal elbow]

Yeah sorry I need to rephrase that, this is what I mean, the position

The health thing is because I probably took something, that's okay

[vague sphinx]

Oh, you can just tweak your alticon script number I suppose ?

[tidal elbow]

How

[vague sphinx]

The one -60 you showed me earlier x)

[tidal elbow]

Because having something like "if you weapon is holstered, move the icon more to the left" would be really cool

[vague sphinx]

Ah yes, you want an automated thing ?

[tidal elbow]

Basically

[vague sphinx]

I suppose it would call for a new line of script ? x)

[tidal elbow]

The -60 thing "doesn't work" because yes, it moves the icon, but it "overlap" as well

[vague sphinx]

Yeah, I misunderstood the request

[tidal elbow]

If I knew how to do it, I would have done it...

[tidal elbow]

Don't worry, all good

You already made me happy

[vague sphinx]

You'd probably better of asking the real modders of the server xD

[tidal elbow]

@random fulcrum CS Eden have found a way to bring back those bars using your alticons file

[vague sphinx]

(Time to prepare my ultimate Autumn pack)

[tidal elbow]

Do you mind if I upload this "mod" in #🖇old-mods-posting? I'll give you all the credits since you make it work

[vague sphinx]

No need for credits really xD But you sure can

[oblique yacht]

how would you edit weapon textures?

cant find them

[hollow shoal]

How to edit cost of junk artefacts? I am trying to change this 'gamedata\configs\items\items\items_artefacts_junk.ltx' file but no price changes occure in the game (other variables is working). Also tried to change health regen in items_artefacts.ltx and nothing happening too. Am i missing something?

[undone lily]

I don't necessarily dltx stuff

Depends on the file.... Everything could be dltx, or not, doesn't matter really

[boreal dust]

Compatibility? (of other addons etc)

[undone lily]

Check gamma artefacts Reinvention mod_system ltx files

[undone lily]

Problem such as arises with dltx

[boreal dust]

What do you mean? I always through it helped with compatibility

[undone lily]

It helps but it makes browsing modifications much harder

Let's say you want to modify one thing > check the ltx.... Or check the 10 DLTX files

Know what I mean ?

In a modpack environment it's easier to have one ltx loaded at the end with all the changes

Rather than 10 dltx files

I don't plan on making all gamma add-ons stand alone

And if anything, these add-ons are loaded last

Dltx isn't that important

[limpid pasture]

You know if theres an addon to remove ALL the mutants?Only humans

[still meteor]

tarkov

[boreal dust]

Yeah set mutants to 0 in zpc in mcm

[kind pike]

can we use sawed-off shotguns as a sidearm?

there is an addon in Moddb but it seems have compatibility issue. So I just want to make them use sidearm slot

[stone ingot]

I'm interested in messing around with the UI a bit, can anyone tell me where to look to change the appearance / position of the ammo icon, quickbar icons, and body health display?

[still meteor]

maingame_16 iirc

[stone ingot]

thanks!

[vague sphinx]

@tidal elbow I'm going to need your advice my man, I want to do a big post on #🖇old-mods-posting , but I will have an issue with screenshots, as I will need to post a lot to showcase everything, basically drowning my own post in screenshots, is there a way I could to things properly ?

[tidal elbow]

Tell you what

Instead of putting 100000000000 screenshots in one post

How about posting just some of them

You can put the rest on Imgur, you slap a link on your post, done

[vague sphinx]

Ah, that could do actually

It's going to be the time for a BIG post xD

I'm basically uploading almost 2GB x)

[still meteor]

[vague sphinx]

Although, for most of the server, only the 300mb file is relevant

And there will be three links to make sure anyone can have what they want without downloading unneeded stuff

[vague sphinx]

Message too long Well, that was really a big post x)

@tidal elbow If I put dropbox links, is it still okay ?

It's actually more comfortable than imgur

I'll have to split my post in three it seems

Well, once I get the confirmation, I post everything right away

[still meteor]

ye

[vague sphinx]

Alright then

Done, that's... a lot x)

[tidal elbow]

Yes don't worry

[vague sphinx]

It's all ready and good to go 🙂

Considering the size of the posts, I didn't add screenshots, but it's all there in the links

[safe python]

TY for all your work @vague sphinx

My iron man runs are gonna be more varied now thanks to the starting locations, i had already added some for bandits and renegades on my own, but i've been doing more runs with other factions so the new ones are appreciated.

[neon kite]

i remember trying out older starting location mods back then, shit was wild tho due to rads being different then, i would spawn somewhere like Outskirts with a shitty gas mask and die instantly

[undone lily]

@vague sphinx Mind if I add your loading screens as part of the 1.0 GAMMA build ?

[boreal dust]

@undone lily actually i think... the bushes might be from that dead trees mod on moddb. I cant remember 😦 edit: Yep it's from 'Simple Autumn Retexture' on moddb.

[undone lily]

Ah yes, I already use those

[cosmic current]

@tidal elbow re: your #old-feedback-suggestions post about seeing ammo parts required on hover-over

I did a little messing around purely as a learning exercise and got it working

if you'd like I can pack it up and send it, not sure if it's something we'd want to add to the main pack

[boreal dust]

Holy shit. Nice one dude

[cosmic current]

repacked it to test it as a mod
doesn't work

thanks vscode very cool

[undone lily]

you edited the parts.ltx ? I'm wondering what happens when you destroy the ammo

[cosmic current]

nope, I added a bit of handling to itms_manager.script

to check for ammo parts specifically if it's ammo you're hovering

[undone lily]

oh that seems nice 😄

[cosmic current]

the only part I'm trying to solve is that the listings for ammo parts are spread across two files (bas and not) so the code looks a little more cringe than I'd otherwise like

[undone lily]

take care of the itms_manager.script conflicts

[cosmic current]

I took the .script file that was in GAMMA Starting Items are not broken and essentially put my changes over that

Not sure if there's a more elegant way

But I assumed being the latest mod to touch it, that was the most 'complete' version

[undone lily]

which bullets icons are these

[cosmic current]

that's from BIRD

not part of my changes obvs just what i happen to have on my install rn

[undone lily]

Honestly your addon seems cool 😄

Be sure to make a github pull request 😄

i'll gladly merge it

[cosmic current]

[undone lily]

And here goes your modder role

[cosmic current]

Oh no

[undone lily]

[vague sphinx]

I won't mind but wouldn't it be better If I do some with the actual GAMMA visuals settings you are intending to have ?

[undone lily]

Oh no don't worry

it will be really close to what you did anyways

it's just that trees will be dead in GAMMA 1.0

[vague sphinx]

Well, I may try just for fun anyway but you can have it for sure

[cosmic current]

Sorted it out like this in modpack_addons, that work for you?

[undone lily]

yep

be sure to have all the modifications I made to itms_manager.script

[cosmic current]

should do i'll diff it just to be sure

[undone lily]

GAMMA Starter Items are not broken

that's the one you need to diff with

[cosmic current]

yep

Thankfully the only mods that touch it in the entire pack seem to be yours : ^)

yep, diff looks good

PR is up 😌
Man, and STALKER was supposed to be what I did to unwind from coding

Can't escape

[undone lily]

thanks !

[vague sphinx]

I'm glad it will provide some more fun for you I made it at first because I wanted some possibilities for Merc & Freedom outside of borderline north locations x)

[small lynx]

@vague sphinx

congrats on the role my man

also on the LTTZ questline for all factions

[vague sphinx]

Well, due to randomness of rads, it may require multiple try at worst to spawn at some locations rads free

[vague sphinx]

The role ? What do you mean ? x)

[small lynx]

idk maybe the modder one

[vague sphinx]

Wait what ? x)

I am ? Me ? The Sunday modder ?

[small lynx]

you cant be serious

[vague sphinx]

Oh, now that you're saying it, my name is orange now, I don't remember that before x)

[undone lily]

I added it because doing tons of loading screens is a major pain in the ass

like maybe 2 people did it for anomaly

[vague sphinx]

Oof, I actually had fun doing it xD

[small lynx]

gj to him tho

[vague sphinx]

This guy is the MVP

[small lynx]

i would probably do it too if i was in the mood, except i dont know how to properly mod

anything to support gamma

[vague sphinx]

Well, there is 190 I think

Screenshots that were turned into loading screens

[small lynx]

but yeah, eden, im mostly thankful and excited for the LTTZ for all factions but genuine good job on the pics

quick question, does it require a new game?

[vague sphinx]

I took over 2400 screenshots in total x)

[vague sphinx]

I think so yes, it's main quests after all

[small lynx]

damn

ill try without a new game just to confirm it works or doesnt

[vague sphinx]

You may try without but I don't think it'll work properly since some NPCs are getting a faction change

[small lynx]

ill likely just enable it when playing an antagonist faction but wanna do LTTZ

e.g military

[small lynx]

oh

[vague sphinx]

Yeah, you have to start over then, because Strelok & his crew for exemple are made ecologists, but you can find more details in the readme

[small lynx]

oh

well then

yeah thats a good point

[vague sphinx]

It's made to avoid conflicts issues within factions

[small lynx]

i dont wanna mess up my cs ironman run

[vague sphinx]

Military are not so well loved in the zone

[small lynx]

also for future use, should i load the mod as last?

[vague sphinx]

Yup, it's better this way

I used a few files as a comparison points to remove HD Models dependency, so loading it last ensures that it gets priority over any old files

@undone lily Would it be a good idea to add this addon as optional for G.A.M.M.A. actually ? To give more variety for runs ?

[undone lily]

I want more feedback on this addon before adding it

If it can break saves or not

[vague sphinx]

Ah yes, that's true, as far as I know, I did a full UNISG playthrough with it, but one experience is not really reflective

[small lynx]

i would test it even further

but

im doing my cs ironman run

[vague sphinx]

Well, I'll keep testing it as well, but I'm not sure if there's gonna be a lot of testers x)

[tidal elbow]

Thank you ❤️

[boreal dust]

What is it? Send it my way ill test it out. My game is all kinds of butchered fuckery its a miracle it doesnt implode violently.

What's one more thing x)

[vague sphinx]

It's the last optional on my mod in #🖇old-mods-posting LTTZ Questlines for all factions

That would be great if it works on your side as well x)

[boreal dust]

How will i know? Whassit do? What should happen?

[vague sphinx]

Make sure to check the readme for more info beforehand, I'm sure you would but yeah, just in case x)

[boreal dust]

Welcome to the cool kids club btw

[vague sphinx]

I'm just your Sunday photographer xD

[boreal dust]

modder gang rise up

[vague sphinx]

I like the orange for sure

[boreal dust]

Orange is my most hated color.

[vague sphinx]

RIP

Should have been bright pink

[boreal dust]

Fuscha

[vague sphinx]

See ? Hard to spell x)

[boreal dust]

ill mod you out of existence and make it look like a bloody accident, ill do it

[vague sphinx]

I have immunity

For being a Clear Sky member

It's in the name and picture x)

[crystal torrent]

clear sky got deleted from existence once before

[vague sphinx]

Yup, wasn't fun experience for sure

[crystal torrent]

it'll happen again

[vague sphinx]

I'll stop here, the mods will delete my existence anyway if this conversation out of channel keeps going xD

[crystal torrent]

just keep it in mind next time you get lippy 😛

[cosmic current]

@undone lily
What do you think about having the DAO anomalies show up on the Svarog?

this is a pic of me getting the flash to appear, RN the DAO anoms don't appear

[tidal elbow]

YES PLEASE

DO IT

[small lynx]

on a side note, idk and idc if the golden deagle is there for flex or not, im offended by it and take it as a flex

BUT

back to the point

YES PLEASE

DO IT

i agree with falco

[cosmic current]

no I swear it was just the first .357 I came across

[small lynx]

[cosmic current]

okay I'll take a look
also I know there are some normal anoms that don't appear on it?

it's weird

[small lynx]

none that i know of honestly

[cosmic current]

I remember being like "why isn't this gravity anomaly on the detector" but I might be going insane

[small lynx]

havent had any problems with that and the svarog

[cosmic current]

i know a couple of those aren't currently enabled but future-proofing 😅

[deft sable]

Ping me if you'll manage dao anomalies to show up on svarog, I'll do the same for the new device pack

Cuz I couldn't make this myself

[cosmic current]

https://github.com/Grokitach/Stalker_GAMMA/pull/19

specifically it's adding this under [detector_scientific]:detector_elite in items_devices.ltx

zone_class_39                                           = zone_mine_flash
zone_class_40                                           = zone_mine_ghost
zone_class_41                                           = zone_mine_gold
zone_class_42                                           = zone_mine_green_dragon
zone_class_43                                           = zone_mine_mefistotel
zone_class_44                                           = zone_mine_net
zone_class_45                                           = zone_mine_point
zone_class_46                                           = zone_mine_radar
zone_class_47                                           = zone_mine_sphere```

and

```zone_freq_38                                           = 0.05, 2
zone_freq_39                                           = 0.05, 2
zone_freq_40                                           = 0.05, 2
zone_freq_41                                           = 0.05, 2
zone_freq_42                                           = 0.05, 2
zone_freq_43                                           = 0.05, 2
zone_freq_44                                           = 0.05, 2
zone_freq_45                                           = 0.05, 2
zone_freq_46                                           = 0.05, 2
zone_freq_47                                           = 0.05, 2```

and then in ui_detector_artefact.xml

    <palette id="zone_mine_darkness" width="0.004" height="0.004" stretch="1" alignment="c">
      <texture shader="hud\p3d">ui_inGame2_Detector_icon_gravity_big</texture>
    </palette>
    <palette id="zone_mine_flash" width="0.006" height="0.006" stretch="1" alignment="c">
      <texture shader="hud\p3d">ui_inGame2_Detector_icon_gravity_big</texture>
    </palette>
    <palette id="zone_mine_ghost" width="0.006" height="0.006" stretch="1" alignment="c">
      <texture shader="hud\p3d">ui_inGame2_Detector_icon_acid_big</texture>
    </palette>
    <palette id="zone_mine_gold" width="0.006" height="0.006" stretch="1" alignment="c">
      <texture shader="hud\p3d">ui_inGame2_Detector_icon_acid_big</texture>
    </palette>
    <palette id="zone_mine_green_dragon" width="0.004" height="0.004" stretch="1" alignment="c">
      <texture shader="hud\p3d">ui_inGame2_Detector_icon_acid_big</texture>
    </palette>
    <palette id="zone_mine_mefistotel" width="0.006" height="0.006" stretch="1" alignment="c">
      <texture shader="hud\p3d">ui_inGame2_Detector_icon_electro_big</texture>
    </palette>
    <palette id="zone_mine_net" width="0.006" height="0.006" stretch="1" alignment="c">
      <texture shader="hud\p3d">ui_inGame2_Detector_icon_gravity_big</texture>
    </palette>
    <palette id="zone_mine_point" width="0.004" height="0.004" stretch="1" alignment="c">
      <texture shader="hud\p3d">ui_inGame2_Detector_icon_electro_big</texture>
    </palette>
    <palette id="zone_mine_radar" width="0.006" height="0.006" stretch="1" alignment="c">
      <texture shader="hud\p3d">ui_inGame2_Detector_icon_electro_big</texture>
    </palette>
    <palette id="zone_mine_sphere" width="0.008" height="0.008" stretch="1" alignment="c">
      <texture shader="hud\p3d">ui_inGame2_Detector_icon_gravity_big</texture>
    </palette>

[tidal elbow]

I'll wait for the zip version

Thank you, you absolute Chad

[opaque current]

holy shit

god bless

[cosmic current]

"Today I'll finish up the sin storyline"

get to red forest
see flash not appearing on detector
"Hmm I can fix this"

Pain. I wish to progress.

[tidal elbow]

[cosmic current]

Unfortunately the psi anomalies use the gravitational icon (circle) b/c there isn't a psi icon

Because the only thing that really would've qualified in vanilla is like...space anomalies

Which don't show up afaik

On the svarog

[tidal elbow]

You know we don't care about icons (I mean okay if there is a way to implement a new one, good)

We just want the mod

[opaque current]

Idagf it it's an electric icon or gas icon or grav icon

I just wanna know where the damn thing is exactly on the svarog

[undone lily]

Why not but chads play with Grizzly

[undone lily]

Mad work @cosmic current

[cosmic current]

I'm a Grizzly enjoyer myself but I felt like pulling out the svarog just to mess around with it, cus I think the last time I actually used one was...probably CoP?

[boreal dust]

extracted and packaged the latest anomaly updates out of curiosity of how many things in just the gamedata folder alone conflict or have been touched, that addons or files in gamma also add.

Image that shows in the list how many addons this is. black = nothing, green means that addon or file is affected.

[vague sphinx]

That's without counting all the issues potentially coming with it x)

[boreal dust]

Bit weird, there seems to be thousands of files that are identical to the existing anomaly.. no changes 🤔 Wondering if ive fucked up somewhere.....

[hollow shoal]

Guys, can someone explain to me, why DLTX doesnt work for this file \gamedata\configs\items\outfits\mod_OUTFITNAME_MODNAME.ltx but work for \gamedata\configs\mod_system_MODNAME.ltx?

[boreal dust]

What's the original file?

[hollow shoal]

original o_skat_9.ltx

[boreal dust]

The way i understand it is it's based on the source file and how the game reads it, if i recall... I found similar things too when i would start DLTXing. I didnt understand for the longest time,but only recently got it all working and have some ok insight to it now and how it actually works.. Basically

The best way is to go to the dltx addon and read up about it. if you have some file you want to know where the source goes, i can try to help find it for you.

[hollow shoal]

So i should use LTXDiff to know the real source?

[boreal dust]

Here's an example of the DLTX tool (LTXDiff) in action

yeah, its worth it if you intend to make a few dltx's and want to get into modding the game .ltx in general

[hollow shoal]

Thank you, ill try

[boreal dust]

Also be sure to search for my posts in Anomaly Discord, i was having a chat with demonized across the coding channel, and then we moved it to addon discussion in there, and basically he walks me through it and jumping over a few errors along the way.

I went through all of it in there so it should give some good insight if you get stuck

[boreal dust]

Part 1: #463899353480691738 message

Part 2 in Addons channel: #805830708526055474 message

[boreal dust]

@vague sphinx Im curious about the character_desc files from LTTZ. There seems to be a few. If they simply weren't in the addon it'd use Dux, wouldn't it? I'm just trying to find a way to 'lighten the load' on LTTZ and keep the core functional stuff.

[hollow shoal]

What files should be in [mod] option here? I get this error
Also, links aren't working for me, because i dont have access to the channel

[vague sphinx]

Well, if it can help I used Dux files as a point of comparison to get rid of the HD Models dependency, if we're talking about the questlines for all factions, the only relevant difference that prevented me to just copy the files is the faction changes for certain npcs

[woven mountain]

Are there any useful resources/guides to making mods? I'd like to contribute with my basic programming knowledge

[boreal dust]

The original file needs to be in the same path in both folders

[hollow shoal]

I tried it too, not working

But worked for example mods (DLTX example files)

[vague sphinx]

@boreal dust Did my answer helped ? I may have misunderstood the question x) But since I'm going to sleep, it's better not to make you wait for hours

Great, good luck then

[boreal dust]

Missing folder i suspect

oh

hmm

Try quotations on each section after findroot

"unpacked\configs" "addons/configs" etc

ill try it my side and see what i get

[hollow shoal]

doesn't work too (

[boreal dust]

Seems ok

So this would make it mod_system_addonname.ltx placed in configs\

Ill screenshot my paths

@hollow shoal

Just realised your game files are in C. Maybe run powershell as admin? Could be a permissions thing if everything else works.

[hollow shoal]

placing all folders in gamedata worked...

[boreal dust]

Generally not recommended to have gamma installed in C

Good stuff. Welcome to DLTX 😄

[hollow shoal]

^^ finally

[woven mountain]

Hate to repeat myself but does anybody have a starting point for making mods?

[rocky turtle]

LTX changes I guess

[hollow shoal]

View source code of other mods

[boreal dust]

What t6ch said. Find other things that change things, maybe small things. Start with small tweaks and mods, things that dont do heaps, just a little. understand how it works and eventually branch out to bigger things. I always think a good start is in the gamedata/configs folder, most stuff in there is interesting to tweak, or to me it is. Also be sure to extract the anomaly gamedata files so you got stuff to work with from the base game.

That one (red arrow) unpacks all the anomaly files

so all sounds, textures, configs, scripts etc.

Thats your starting playground 😄

[woven mountain]

I'll probably start with fixing typos/making the loading screen text sound more natural

[boreal dust]

Awesome!

[boreal dust]

You might want to check these out. These guys do similar stuff, maybe that will help you get a handle on some of their stuff and see how things work too.

https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/nitpickermodpack
https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/crimsonvirus-ocd-fixpack

[cosmic current]

The first thing I looked into was map modification but that's apparently practically impossible so RIP

[boreal dust]

Funnily enough, thats what started my journey to modding gamma. I was playing gamma walking around swamps and being like "Why dont enemies go in the water.. ever?" That led me down a rabbit hole in anomaly discord that led me to meatchunk basically saying "yeah nah that wont happen cause x y z, basically the map needs to be edited for AI to use the areas" Also RIP.

[cosmic current]

Yeah I wanted to try and tweak Darkscape a bit but alas

I will instead try to see how impossible it is to mess with tasks

[boreal dust]

If i could mod the map i'd make a massive amount of wodded areas like Red forest and Darkscape (the long valley map)

too many long open areas. Imagine jupiter as a forest..

Im really curious though about maps now.. I wonder if it's as hard as people say...

[cosmic current]

The problem is it involves decompiling the maps which

Requires the modified sdk for anomaly

That only the anomaly team has iirc

At least that's what year old forum threads suggested

[woven mountain]

Thoughts?

[boreal dust]

So they are basically closed-source the SDK so that nobody else can edit the maps..?

[tidal elbow]

@opaque current you're crazy

Thanks for the other MGS mod

[opaque current]

LOL

[tidal elbow]

I'll try it later

❤️

[opaque current]

👌

[woven mountain]

What mod is the GAMMA loading screen text in?

[boreal dust]

If you download this or a similar app that can view lines of text through search of folders, that would make it really easy for you to search a line and it will pull up all files with that line found, or key words.

Actually we could get a tools-sharing thing going in here...

What do you guys use for software/apps etc?

Text editor: notepad++ (with the compare plugin)
Searching text and lines in bulk: Agent Ransack
Searching files: 'Everything' (That's the name of the app)
Image editing: Photoshop 2020
Comparing files: Winmerge
Extracting .db files: AXRtoolset
What does everyone else who mods the game use?

[tidal elbow]

This is very handy

Especially when we need to troubleshoot stuff with crash logs

[boreal dust]

It's helped me on innumerable occasions, track back how configs and xml's reference eachother to help me work out what i need to change and where. it's solely responsible for me figuring out how to make the PDA Manual addon.

[boreal dust]

Apparently this was bullshit. There's for some reason, thousands of base-anomaly files included in these updates with zero changes. I dont know why they did this.

Now im going through having to bulk-delete them all to try to get just what's been changed.....

[woven mountain]

Was in GAMMA UI

Agent Ransack is incredible

[boreal dust]

Yeah hey? Game changer.

Make sure to set your 'File Name:: to filter only

.ltx;.script;.xls;.xml;

that pulls all the text-files only and not anything like .dds or sound files, which will drag your system to a halt. 😄

[woven mountain]

oh uh

i may have not done that

and searched all of Gamma RC3 in 5 minutes

My poor computer

[boreal dust]

It gets even more fun when you start tweaking or looking at stuff in GAMMA and comparing it to the base anomaly files to see what changes there are. 👌

That's how i have like a trillion addons ive made for GAMMA in my game. All just tweaks and adjustments and such.

[woven mountain]

Could you check that my mod in #🖇old-mods-posting is structured correctly and everything?

[hollow shoal]

Is it possible to add more then 5 sections of upgrades?

[woven mountain]

Dialogue Expanded and Gamma don't share the same lore ( Gamma lore established by Grulag). Thinking about changing some lines regarding Pripyat to reflect the lore.

[cosmic current]

oops

[deft sable]

is it supposed to be like this?

some grav anomaly in front of me

[cosmic current]

no

probably some other dynamic anomaly spawning that isn't adding to the svarog properly

[deft sable]

[cosmic current]

not a DAO anomaly though I don't think

[deft sable]

dynamic from zcp

yes, this is it

[cosmic current]

@undone lily I managed to track down a solution to the sniper problem (other than just deleting it)
removing this from the end of pri_b36_monolith_sniper.ltx stopped the crashes; I think it was, for some reason, causing some sort of duplication of death callbacks and causing the internal DB to hang and crash

Unfortunately it doesn't work for existing saves

(And I think, technically, it'll cause him to be able to respawn...but if he doesn't cause crashes that's not really a problem)

[undone lily]

Well I'll just script it. Check on existing map if there's an npc with "sniper" in it's id and Alife release it

Runs every minute or so

[cosmic current]

there's a few sniper sections though

[vague sphinx]

One crash down is always welcome

[undone lily]

@boreal dust where's that "X stalkers in the zone" defined at startup ? I need to make a similar script for the "Welcome to GAMMA check the PDA Guide" thing

[cosmic current]

oop nope it's actually a DAO anomaly

DAO adds some tweaked vanilla anomaly types

its okay I just gotta add those too

[deft sable]

write their names here too pls, so I can add them too

[cosmic current]

yeah uh

https://github.com/Grokitach/Stalker_GAMMA/pull/19/commits/a04b64192364bbfc7f47578d56a9004c1fbaf2f9

and updated

[deft sable]

@undone lily Hi, sorry to ping, if I want to empowering works with the Variationizer artefacts, where should I look? melter_charge. script and something else?

[undone lily]

https://github.com/Grokitach/Stalker_GAMMA/blob/main/G.A.M.M.A/modpack_addons/G.A.M.M.A. Artefacts Reinvention/gamedata/scripts/grok_artefacts_melter.script

You need to replace the obj1 == obj2 by some string.find

[hollow shoal]

what is purpose of second parameter (hit_power) stand for? Is it used by GBOOBs @undone lily

And is it supposed to be "k_kit"?

[random fulcrum]

i've always assumed k_hit in ammo params is the actual base damage and hit_power in weapon params is a percentage of k_hit

[hollow shoal]

Yeah, but what is purpose of second val "k_hit = first_val; second_val" ?

[boreal dust]

If the guys here dont know, my best guess would be the gang at Anomaly Discord #modding-coding channel.

Between there and here you should get a pretty decent insight to most things

[woven mountain]

@boreal dust Sorry for the ping but could you help me make a mod? I know exactly what I want to do but dont know how to start. I've unpacked Anomaly. Feel free to turn me down btw

[boreal dust]

I can try to guide you where possible. my skills are somewhat limited, it depends on what you are trying to do as to whether i will be of any help or not. Fire away; what are you trying to achieve?

[woven mountain]

When you look in the details of ammunition in gamma, it shows an item called 'ammo parts' from the base game. I want to change it to show what it will disassemble into in gamma since the ammo parts are more specific

i.e. rifle casing, buckshot, handgun propellant are items used in gamme

Does that make sense?

[woven mountain]

My plan

1. Find the associated codes for 'Ammo Parts' and Gamma ammo parts
2. Use those to find the master disassembly list
3. Find out what items result from disassembling each type of ammo
4. Find where ammo parts is displayed in vanilla Anomaly
5. Put in the Gamma info

[tidal elbow]

Hope you can make it, it's a great idea
I wanted to ask Grok about it but I figured it would take time, coding, all that stuff

[woven mountain]

It sounds like a simple fix (which is why I chose it)

[brave prism]

uhhhhh

or am i missing something ?

[woven mountain]

Guess I'll have to read through the commits

[tidal elbow]

I think Darkasleif want to do something else

It's not the same thing

Because he's talking about details

The one Grok added is another thing, completely different

[brave prism]

oh okay

[tidal elbow]

Let me explain, I'm on the phone, give me a second

@woven mountain this is for you as well

Grok added this

You open your inventory
You hover on your ammo
If you have propellent, rifle casings, etc., you can see what the ammo will be when you disassemble it

It's different from what Darkasleif want to do

[brave prism]

oh i think i realize what dark is trying to do

[tidal elbow]

He want to add those things in details

[brave prism]

yes

[tidal elbow]

You right click on ammo

You have those things inside details

You'll see rifle casings, propellent, etc. instead of the default icon

Incredible mod, 10/10 I want it now

Because now when you right click on details, you have the default icon

He want to add the "correct ammo parts" for every piece of ammo

[woven mountain]

Gonna update GAMMA and see if it includes what I'm thinking

[tidal elbow]

It probably is but check it for yourself

The thing you want to do, sadly, isn't there yet

[boreal dust]

Do i have the right understanding - You are trying to make each ammo specifically say what parts it disassembles to? 🤔

[woven mountain]

Yes, I would show a screenshot but when I try to take one the details window closes

[tidal elbow]

I'm in bed right now, I would literally draw you a picture of what he wants to do, I had thought of that few days ago too

[tidal elbow]

From here it should be understandable what he want to do

[boreal dust]

Oh cool i thought so, yeah that would be neat. Hmmmm the matrix of disassembly is unfamiliar to me. Ill have to poke around a bit. First starting point would be to take an ammo type, and pull all the references to it i could find to see where it disassembles to ammo parts, and then just changing that to reference each of the components that assemble it

[woven mountain]

I found the relevant mod BTW

Ammo Maker by Arti

[tidal elbow]

Open the inventory
Put the cursor over some ammo
Right click
Details
Instead of having the default icon, you directly have all the materials you can get by disassembling it

@boreal dust this should be more understandable

[woven mountain]

This introduces the new items and changes the disassembly

[boreal dust]

Kinda hyped youre looking at this. Initially i didnt see the big deal but then remembered just now that yesterday i had this exact scenario. "Ok i need x y to craft this ammo... ...wait, what ammo disassembles into that?"

[woven mountain]

It's a small thing but when you need it, you need it

[tidal elbow]

Luckily I asked Grok for a thing like that and now we have it

If you hover your cursor on the ammo (if you already have the ammo parts) you can see what they will be

Now we just need the "details" tab

The "details" tab is such an obvious thing that one thinks, "why isn't it already there?"

It is also a pretty good QOL, because before you disassemble something, you can know right away what will come out

[boreal dust]

Seems like the item is prt_i_ammo

might be something

parts.ltx in GAMMA Items Parts Fixes

Testing it now

[tidal elbow]

Here's hoping

Can't sleep now, gotta know

[woven mountain]

The recipes I believe are in parts_ammo.ltx

It's in light mode so watch out

[boreal dust]

Got it

cracked the davinci code

[tidal elbow]

Thank you for the spoiler

[tidal elbow]

And no screenshots? You're evil

[boreal dust]

Changed the ammo in parts.ltx in G A M M A item parts fixes for the ammo to paper

[woven mountain]

Great screenshot

[tidal elbow]

Yeah

[tidal elbow]

Oh god

It's happening

[tidal elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-stay-calm-gif-16889541

[boreal dust]

@woven mountain Over to you boss, you get the street cred on this one. (And you also get to do all the work 😉

[tidal elbow]

I can't even

[boreal dust]

ezpz

[tidal elbow]

@woven mountain good luck, Boss

[boreal dust]

copy/paste and replace-all will be your new best friend

[woven mountain]

gonna have to do most manually since there are 3 types of powder, 3 types of pistol bullet and so on

[tidal elbow]

Now I see why it isn't a thing already, that's a lot of work to do

[boreal dust]

Yeah it's a bit of legwork for sure

[woven mountain]

IT WORKED

*on one item

[cosmic current]

yeah normally it would just...display the components of the ammo

but the way ammo recipes are done is

very different to everything else

😩

[woven mountain]

@tidal elbow @boreal dust Question: Should I do raw amounts (15 x, 30 y, 15 z), relative amounts(1 x, 2 y, 1 z), or just the components without regard to amount (x, y, z)?

[boreal dust]

hmmmmmm.

[woven mountain]

Unless I could put a number, raw amounts would be difficult

[cosmic current]

i would say components w/o regard

[boreal dust]

Yeah maybe without as you can batch-disassemble where the amounts arent accurate anyway

[cosmic current]

decide to build the anomaly binaries
output window is nothing but warnings

[tidal elbow]

Hmmm

I mean, just having what it will come out it's good already

You can already see the actual number needed in the recipe

[woven mountain]

But you cant see the amount when you disassemble

So (and I'm talking from experience) if you wanted to find the cheapest way to get a certain ammo component, you could calculate it

[tidal elbow]

You asked for an opinion, I'm giving you one

What would you like to see? The exact number?

I support the idea then

[woven mountain]

Relative amount like this will give 2x and 1y

[tidal elbow]

Tell you what, why don't you try it out? Make a visual example and post it here, so we can see it

A picture is worth a thousand words

[woven mountain]

I'll type it out cause the detail window closes as soon as you press any button

[tidal elbow]

Yeah it's a little bit tricky to take a screenshot

I'll teach you one day

[woven mountain]

.45 ACP gives 1 bullet, 1 casing, and 2 powder

Would you prefer

[cosmic current]

75% of the way done building the binaries

[woven mountain]

Bullet, casing, powder
or
Bullet, casing, powder, powder

[tidal elbow]

Hm, okay, I see it now

[woven mountain]

Obviously with icons instead of text

[tidal elbow]

Yes of course

If we want to do it right, we should be able to see everything that comes out of the disassembly

Because, as you said, it's also a calculation thing

So, it would be good to know that you will get "two powder"

[woven mountain]

Got it

Actually let me look up the most skewed ratio

cause if its 20 powder 1 bullet that changes things

[tidal elbow]

This is my opinion of course, you're the boss
I'm already fine and happy with seeing the actual parts in "details"

So you do you, everything is fine for me as long as I can click "details" and finally see ammo parts

If I can also see what exactly I will get, well, the more the merrier

[woven mountain]

Most skewed ratio is 1:1:2 so i'll show relative amounts

[tidal elbow]

Relative amounts, okay

Meaning?

[tidal elbow]

I guess it's either 1 or 2

[woven mountain]

The detail screen for .45 will be 1 bullet, 1 casing, and 2 powder

Per bullet it gives you roughly that

[tidal elbow]

Okay so it will be the "accurate version"

Something like, if you disassemble this, you'll get X, Y, Z, Z

Not bad

[woven mountain]

Yep

That's as long as the length will be, there is no item with X,X,Y,Z,Z or X,Y,Y,Z,Z or X,Y,Z,Z,Z or higher

Sorry for waking you up btw

[tidal elbow]

You didn't

I also don't get notifications for I don't know what reason

I'm still awake, yes

I hate summer

[woven mountain]

Too hot?

[tidal elbow]

Yes, I love cold weather

At night it's more bearable but still, I hate hot weather and summer in general

[boreal dust]

Same. Fuck summer.

[woven mountain]

Grulag, question for you

The part.ltx file (components when you hit details) doesnt contain BaS ammo. I checked and neither the BaS original mod, the BaS patch, or the GAMMA item part fix includes them. I want to add them. Is there any special procedure (I plan on just entering the code, the same spacing as the others, and then the components)?

@boreal dust

[boreal dust]

Can't see why it wouldn't work. What does the BaS ammo in-game show currently? It must be defined somewhere..

[woven mountain]

Nothing

Don't think it's defined anywhere

[boreal dust]

Oh. Well then yeah, try addin it and see what happens

Trial & Error, similar to Law & Order. Dun Dun

[woven mountain]

Also 12x76 bull still gives vanilla 'Ammo parts'

You think arti will mind if I ping him?

[boreal dust]

Maybe try DM

[woven mountain]

That is essentially a ping

[boreal dust]

🤷‍♂️ Idunno man, your initiative

[cosmic current]

ping and then delete the ping

power move

[woven mountain]

@maiden dune Do you plan on changing 12x76 bull to give the ammo parts from your mod?

[undone lily]

Value ; commented value (not used)
k_kit is a typo

[woven mountain]

I will not

[maiden dune]

bull ammo doesn't drop in vanilla but it can be added yourself

[undone lily]

Why are you rebuilding the engine ?

[cosmic current]

Fool's errand

[undone lily]

[maiden dune]

check the code to see how it's set up currently

[cosmic current]

I've been getting more and more engine crashes lately

And I am upset about it

[undone lily]

You use VS2015 right ?

[cosmic current]

Yeah

Er, well, 2017 with the 2015 toolkit

[undone lily]

Ok cool

[woven mountain]

Literally just not in there

[undone lily]

Well, I guess it can also be helpful to check the engine errors (these big files generated after crashes)

Did you take the demonized engine patches ?

[maiden dune]

by that I mean see how existing ammo types are set up

and set it up appropriately

[woven mountain]

Ah got it

I'll set it to AP slug since it uses the same model

[cosmic current]

yeah i'm assuming we're using all of the patches

[woven mountain]

Also, hi Grok I'm a big hotshot modder now

[cosmic current]

but after running back and forth in limansk to do mortal sin only to crash at the end with nothing but

[boreal dust]

ya gotta walk the walk first. let the mods do the talking

[cosmic current]

[woven mountain]

Just to be clear this was said with a stupid amount of sarcasm

BTW @undone lily You getting rid of .338 federal?

[undone lily]

potentially, but changing guns caliber are causing issues and crashes, so maybe not

[woven mountain]

Alright, I could try to look into that if you want (big emphasis on try)

[undone lily]

Removing the ammo from the gun and swapping it for another caliber is really easy

the problem is that people having existing saves will crash 100%

[woven mountain]

Ah I see

[woven mountain]

Also, making a mod to change the components shown in ammo details to what they actually will be upon disassembly. Check the reply to see what exactly im doing

You could add an item that does what you are trying to do with the caliber that way people can change it on their own save

[undone lily]

That's easy, edit parts.ltx to the parts shown in

[woven mountain]

Doin that rn actually

Turns out that the parts.ltx doesn't include the components of BaS ammo types so im also doing that

Also my second mod go easy on me

[undone lily]

[woven mountain]

How would I make an item unable to be disassembled?

[undone lily]

remove parts from it

[random fulcrum]

@undone lily sorry for the ping but you might check the thing i just posted now

it makes shotguns and the thistle not let you cheese through exos

or eidolon

[undone lily]

Ooooh nice find !!!

[vague sphinx]

@undone lily You're the one who made the GAMMA weathers addon ?

I did notice during an extensive utilisation that w_partly 1 & 2 were the same, which is also the case for w_rain 1, w_rain 2 and w_rain 3, is it intended ?

[undone lily]

yes

I prefer well made weathers with good visibility than weathers with lots of variance but that look inequal

lots vanilla anomaly weathers are complete bullshit

[vague sphinx]

Oh it's just really because I noticed that there was a rain with sunny parts but for exemple, if you want a moody rain with dark clouds, there's hardly one, I get the point of wanting visibility though

[woven mountain]

@boreal dust Got the mod working, added BaS ammo parts, and prevented you from disassembling grenades from GL since they make ammo parts which cannot be used

[boreal dust]

What happened to that russian weather thing? No good?

[woven mountain]

Thoughts on a wait feature?

[undone lily]

#📎to-do

right click porn mag to wait 2 hours

I need to implement it

[woven mountain]

I see it now

Mind if I take a shot at it?

@undone lily

[regal bolt]

2 hours? thats alotta stamina

[undone lily]

why not 😉

It requires a fair knowledge of LUA coding and stalker scripting though

[woven mountain]

That's why I'm gonna copy code

[undone lily]

you can look at

[woven mountain]

Waiting is similar to vanilla sleeping

[undone lily]

It shouldn't increase your sleep that's the thing

[woven mountain]

If I want to add that I can only do it in specific spots, I can take the friendly base code from YACS

[woven mountain]

Similar not the same

[undone lily]

lol yes, the porn mag even disappears lol

"unusable"

stalkers gotta unload that stress you know

[woven mountain]

Speaking of, what about using a deck of cards as alternative or to pass a lesser/greater amount of time?

[undone lily]

hum it would kind of defeat the purpose of the thing to be able to wait anywhere

[undone lily]

good idea