🛩war-thunder

[eternal zenith]

[somber urchin]

Yeah thats.. to be expected..

I decided to look to see whats going on in warthunder reddit (I havent look at it in months)

I was not dissapointed

le furry tiger

Damn that sucks

sorry to hear

[ruby rain]

Vickers Mk3 acquired

now have to grind 120k for crew

[soft oracle]

I am tempted to buy another 100 crates

(I've bought 50 already)

[ruby rain]

british tanks fucking suc

[somber urchin]

✅

both IRL and ingame

[eternal zenith]

90% of gamblers stop right before they hit the jackpot

[somber urchin]

90% of warthunder players stop playing right before the game gets good

[sleek fractal]

Lol now everyone knows you use WT mobile

Its promotion stuff

[ruby rain]

What is that?

[sleek fractal]

As it states you get that stuff for doing tasks in WT Mobile

If you got it by accident,well,good

[ruby rain]

I have WT only on Steam

[sleek fractal]

Thats why i say be happy you got it for not downloading that crap

[sleek fractal]

French Naval might get the Richelieu,which is already a step closer to big Ships

Not that those leak lists are accurate

[ruby rain]

I assume Gaijin wouldn't let players gift each other RP and SL, right?

[arctic granite]

I've been trying to tell you

Also on GOD STOP BUYING VEHICLES AT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR

Horrible mindset please seek help

[ruby rain]

I mean its difficult to tell when they're the only ones you've played

[arctic granite]

Play any of big three

[ruby rain]

at first I didnt know how knowledgeable you actually are

[arctic granite]

Considering the average intellect of war thunder players, that's fair.

[soft oracle]

It is easiest to be a beggar

and wait for someones help

[ruby rain]

Is the SWE wedge good? To me it seems like a sniper, once you get flanked you done

[arctic granite]

I don't think that line of reasoning really works

[soft oracle]

Sweden is awesome

[arctic granite]

Yeah it's cracked, 4 second reload and good mobility/armor

[soft oracle]

and their wedge is good too

[arctic granite]

I'd still recommend the big three for any new players

Just don't play US heavy tanks they're all overtiered

[ruby rain]

nyeeh

Im set on SWE

[soft oracle]

Play swedish heavy tanks

Oh... I forgot

[ruby rain]

thats no problem

[eternal zenith]

what you think about the raise to 8.0?

kinda ruined now since you get paired with APFSDS and atgms more and more

[ruby rain]

Darts show up at Rank 6

on average

[sleek fractal]

https://warthunder.com/en/news/8413/current/

https://warthunder.com/en/news/8416/current/

[arctic granite]

Everything else went up with it so no real change other than not seeing 6.7s anymore

[eternal zenith]

boy oh boy

[somber urchin]

Would highly highly recommend you play a better tree first tbh, the first few ranks of sweden are pretty fucking ass

[eternal zenith]

lol, you got no idea

[ruby rain]

Worse than UK?

[eternal zenith]

The 150mm recoilless SPGs is probably one of the most fun tanks to play

[somber urchin]

Unironically yes

Sweden literally only gets good at the Cent and Wedge

[arctic granite]

👆🏻

Thankfully those are the tiers you want to be the best because you'll spend the most time in tiers 5-6

[eternal zenith]

still believe that sweden is competetive at rank 1-3, powerfull SPAAs and SPGs

oh and the Strv m/42 DT is one of the best tanks at 5.0

[somber urchin]

I dont think so

or maybe becasue its like one of the few tanks actually at 5.0 lmao

[ruby rain]

can be kncked out by HE

[eternal zenith]

don't get hit

[arctic granite]

It's too immobile and isn't a hard enough of a hitter tbh

Would prefer a 76 Sherman or M6

[somber urchin]

Oh right

the fuckin prototype VK3002 panther is 5.0

yeah thats 100% better

Delat Torn is like the most meh vehicle to ever exist

[arctic granite]

Maybe if it was 4.3

[eternal zenith]

what'd be a good plane to destroy ground forces?

[somber urchin]

Any fighter with a bomb

[ruby rain]

[eternal zenith]

yeah but that takes ages

[somber urchin]

In air RB?

[eternal zenith]

yeah, or arcade

[somber urchin]

P-47 or 51

Anything with 50cal

[arctic granite]

Are you asking about doing the task

[eternal zenith]

finished the task already playing a bomber, just wondered how you'd destroy a medium tank with guns reliably

[arctic granite]

Unless the guns have AP above 20mm then no chance

[eternal zenith]

did you do it? What did you use

[somber urchin]

you can kill everything except tanks with 50cal and youll probbly get more ammo out of it

[eternal zenith]

yeah but I wana kill tanks

[arctic granite]

Okay but why

[eternal zenith]

idk. points?

[arctic granite]

It's usually not worth it

[somber urchin]

[arctic granite]

But if you really want to I'd recommend Mk 103s running AP

[eternal zenith]

I guess I have to practice with the Me 262 then

[arctic granite]

I wouldn't recommend using the 262 in a ground attack role

[somber urchin]

Go take a Do-335

[eternal zenith]

Are the minengeschoße ranged at the distance you set

[sturdy pulsar]

I just remembered the F8F exists

Mmm yes

[somber urchin]

What no

Oh I thought you meant like explode

Like HE timed

All guns are ranged to the same ranging you set

I dunno why you specified a specific ammo type tho

[eternal zenith]

yeah, I just tried the Me 262 and wondered why my HE didn't hit past 600m

[somber urchin]

Because the guns are awful past 300 meters

Low velocity cannon

[arctic granite]

German moment

Fredrich we must have very specific autistic specs for our guns and equipment

[ruby rain]

Obviously the heli on our team when we most need it is retarded

[sturdy pulsar]

30mm guns?

Those are fat as fuck

You can hit about 1.4km out in RB but the ballistics need a looot of practice

[arctic granite]

Heli player and retard is synonymous

[arctic granite]

The strat for the Mk 108 is you think you're leading enough, lead more

[ruby rain]

except when its an enemy Alouette

[arctic granite]

No they're still retarded for putting effort/money into helicopters

[ruby rain]

they can still kill from kms away

• hard to hit etc

[arctic granite]

Pressing buttons does not correlate to mental capacity

[somber urchin]

DCS players are a good example of that

[ruby rain]

is it possible to get punished for what I one writes in game chat?

[somber urchin]

At most a temp chat ban

Unless you get chat banned like 5 times where its permanent

[ruby rain]

ok then Ill know when to stop

[arctic granite]

10 times is permanent

t.8 chat bans

[sturdy pulsar]

Depends how much s h i t you talk

[ruby rain]

I haven't been banned yet

[sturdy pulsar]

Oh no the F8F up gets matched with early jets

[somber urchin]

Yeah

[arctic granite]

The F8F has always faced jets

Since its addition

[eternal zenith]

nice, at least 3 free kills

[ruby rain]

I wouldn't even spawn

[ruby rain]

Slowly hovering in a constant direction at mid height, not even shooting at anything

[sleek fractal]

You did not get the vehicle

Its just there

But hey another 3.7 Sherman for the lineup which is nice

[arctic granite]

Bore blunder

[sleek fractal]

only nice thing is that you can collect logins with the app for your PC account

[sturdy pulsar]

the spawncamp at low tier is atrociious lol

[arctic granite]

Damn if only they made maps that didn't directly support spawn camping

[somber urchin]

Snore bunder

[arctic granite]

Cunt thumper

[somber urchin]

What if we added rocks to places and didn't tell anyone

[arctic granite]

Yeah haha what if we set up defilades that gives you perfect sightlines and cover for shooting into enemy spawns

[somber urchin]

The maps added back in 2014 are still fit for purpose right :)

[sturdy pulsar]

there, usa Rank 1 aced

[ruby rain]

curved monitor?
as to the ugly M4 ->

[arctic granite]

Especially at 10.0

He fell for the curve...

[somber urchin]

I like it..

[sleek fractal]

its curved cause it wouldnt fit in my corner otherwise along my 2nd

[arctic granite]

Curves are gimmicks

[sleek fractal]

Yep

[somber urchin]

Kuban at 12.0 is great

My 2 monitors are curved and its fine, was cheaper than the flat screen version

[somber urchin]

Gonna quote you on this one

[arctic granite]

I already know what kind of curves you like

[somber urchin]

Yeah the ones on aircraft

[arctic granite]

Brb dling wt Mobil on BlueStacks and using mkb

[somber urchin]

Nooooo

Do not bully then 12 year old Indian kids

[arctic granite]

It is destiny

[somber urchin]

"Wow I can't wait to play this tank game!!!"

immediately domed from 1.5k away

[arctic granite]

I will singlehandedly raise the bar for entry

[somber urchin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1078800100970745867/1141727023241375835/m3jhja9l1nib1.png?width=1191&height=670

Custom sights were a mistake

[ruby rain]

Ive seen vids of genuine looking Abrams sights

in wt

[sleek fractal]

i had a pretty nice minimalistic sight but they added around 200 vehicles since ive downloaded and sadly its outdated

[ruby rain]

how minimalistic? for tanks w a laser rf?

[sleek fractal]

For every vehicle

It was like the Abrams modern sight but with options for every tank and every ammo that was released til then and just basicly the middle part

Then there was one with 300m line ranging and one with 600m lines

But as they reworked ballistics and added many more tanks that sight wasnt accurate anymore

[ruby rain]

I thought you meant more minimal than vanilla

I suppose you could lose the horizontal marks and numbers

[sleek fractal]

Nah sometimes their good for the measurement

if you dont have a LRF and know the ballistics of the ammo/gun its way faster to range via lines than adjusting it first

At least thats how i do it

[ruby rain]

I meant these

[sleek fractal]

ahhh

yeah it didnt have those

i wish someone would make a good minimalistic general one again that you can use for every tank

Another issue was with the one i had,if you played AA you couldnt use it

i still have that one

it has sights for all released tanks for that time too

and 2 universal ones

screenshots coming

[eternal zenith]

I'm still thinking about playing around trying to get a secondary range for MG's so that you can use the coax to zero quickly

[sleek fractal]

thats the 300 sight

[eternal zenith]

it's so washed out

[sleek fractal]

Thats the 800

That sight is old

at least 4 or 5 years

hasnt updated since

[eternal zenith]

wait, what's the diff between the 300 / 800m sight?

zoom level depends on tank, right?

[sleek fractal]

Yeah but it isnt zoom

its gun adjustment

When you range it on 300m its on 300m dot

[eternal zenith]

right, second one seemed closer for some reason

nvmd

also, can you get rid of the black border?

[sleek fractal]

You can edit it yourself

Theres instructions in the Sight folder

Its inaccurate as hell cause its old xD

[ruby rain]

INteresting. Like how many small arms combat optics are designed for a 300m zero

[eternal zenith]

small arms as in infantry?

[ruby rain]

yes

[eternal zenith]

most red dot optics

since the trajectory meets both at around 50 and 300

[sleek fractal]

yeah most small arms have an effective range of 400-800m iirc

[ruby rain]

and ACOGs for example

[sleek fractal]

Yards

[eternal zenith]

you always have 2 points of zero

[sleek fractal]

182,88 Meters

[ruby rain]

png

[sleek fractal]

who the fuck measures something with that number

[ruby rain]

"THE WHOLE 9 YARDS" KKONA

[eternal zenith]

yard is about a meter so w/e

[sleek fractal]

cant be if 200 yards are 182,88 meters

[prisma nymph]

📏 200.0yd (yards) is equal to 182.88m (meters)

[eternal zenith]

it's close enough

miles on the other hand...

[sleek fractal]

Its both shit

Nobody uses that

not even the NASA uses that

[eternal zenith]

I have to give the imperial credit for being useful in machining

[sleek fractal]

Death star

[ruby rain]

afaik one of their rockets exploded bc there was a confusion between the systems

[eternal zenith]

not with CNC anymore but when you had to quickly calculate in your head it was easier to go with fractions of inches than having to calculate decimal points for milimeters

... or so I've been told

[sleek fractal]

That depends on what youve learned to begin with

cause i dont even know how much an inch is

[ruby rain]

25.4mm

[sleek fractal]

GOD

[eternal zenith]

double the diameter of a .50 bmg

[sleek fractal]

thats 2,5 Centimeters

and FORGET THAT

micromilimeters xD

[ruby rain]

I saw that

[sleek fractal]

nah fuck that

[ruby rain]

go to bed, youre drunk

[sleek fractal]

i was crawling on my knees all day removing fucking floor panel shit things cause those idiots glued them on the ground

and the machines didnt work cause the room was to small xD

[eternal zenith]

now wait until you hear what they use for machining. Mills, which is a thousands of an inch. So suddenly going in 1000 increments is useful

[sleek fractal]

anyway fuck imperial

Metric is so much easier

im gonna shoot someone

[eternal zenith]

careful not to use a .308

or god forbid a 12 gauge

[ruby rain]

contractors or wt players

[eternal zenith]

4 pounder cannon

[ruby rain]

just like m- nevermind

[sleek fractal]

all i can get is something similar to a 12 gauge

Or an Air pressure hunting rifle

[stray bane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/873328170848387125/1141099392967905411/caption.gif

[somber urchin]

[sturdy pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-you-like-kissing-boys-don't-you-cat-lowpoly-3d-gif-9960745507421464646

average game today

[sturdy pulsar]

an attempt was made

F

[ruby rain]

bro shut yo ass up

[arctic granite]

There was a change?

[stray bane]

You get credit for a capture now even if you die during the process
IIRC

[somber urchin]

They stated it wouldnt be like that

[sturdy pulsar]

99% of my games

They just said rework and giving credit while capturing, that is

[stray bane]

Maybe arcade is the way

[sturdy pulsar]

depending f or what vehicle yeah

[arctic granite]

https://warthunder.com/en/news/8414-development-roadmap-following-the-roadmap-grouping-vehicles-changes-to-rank-i-and-ii-and-additional-improvements-to-premium-vehicles-en

With changes like these I could probably get through certain trees in a few days instead of 7

Might have to adjust my pricing

[eternal zenith]

good stuff

[eternal zenith]

how much you charging?

[arctic granite]

Depends on the tree and what they want

If it's a T-80BVM it might be a few hundred dollars from a T-26

But if they want a Strv 122 from a 103 it might only be a couple hundred

I'm pretty flexible on price, I always give people a better value than they would get just outright buying it with GE

I also provide good stats, SL to buy vehicles, crew points, etc

[serene birch]

I want you to grind to the M1A2 SEP using nothing but this, how much?

[keen sequoia]

[arctic granite]

Do you have premium

[serene birch]

yes

[arctic granite]

You're looking at about 600

[serene birch]

lmao respect that you put a genuine price on it but fuck me 600 to grind with nothing but that is a bit low

[keen sequoia]

Now I'm curious

[arctic granite]

The idea is that you don't continue using the tier I the entire time

[keen sequoia]

US tree from 5.7 GRB

[arctic granite]

If you're using the T1 the entire time then you're looking at iunno say

A good game is 1,000, top tiers are 400,000 400 times 2,000...

[serene birch]

youre only allowed to use the special lvt, i have 600 backups and you may apply them as much as you'd like

[arctic granite]

Probably $4,000.

Purely because it would take a couple months

[serene birch]

exactly what i was thinking

[arctic granite]

Elaborate

You want what from 5.7?

[keen sequoia]

Top tier ground tree starting from 5.7

[arctic granite]

Just a single top tier or a lineup?

[keen sequoia]

Lineup

[arctic granite]

8-900 depending on if you have premium/talismans

That's a good 3,000,000+ RP to grind

[keen sequoia]

[arctic granite]

I usually advertise right before sales so people can buy their premiums half off and save money

I also do single vehicles and Individual grinds

For example a friend of mine wanted just a Tier VI so I told him 20 bucks and it's all his

Got it done in like 90 minutes?

[keen sequoia]

[arctic granite]

This was during an OTOMATIC grind I was doing for a friend

He had the P40 at best and I got him a good 8.0 line up and the SPAA for like 550

[soft oracle]

Rank VI premiums moved to Rank VII therefore Rank VIII tanks in next update

[arctic granite]

Yeah probably

[soft oracle]

or update after that change

[arctic granite]

Nothing surprising tbh

The ceiling moves ever higher

T-90M will be added along with M829A3 and Vacuum-2

But yeah I'm pretty flexible when it comes to pricing and with this new change it'll only get cheaper because I have less to do

13.0 soon

[eternal zenith]

tf

[soft oracle]

Some changes are questionable

but it is decent overall

[arctic granite]

I feel like that's the summary of every patch note they've ever posted

[sleek fractal]

Bmp-2 and Bmp-2D for example

Its the same vehicle

[soft oracle]

Yeah they forgor

the Object

[arctic granite]

"let us know what you think" as if every response isn't just immediately ignored

[soft oracle]

This is drastic

[arctic granite]

I have no complaints

[soft oracle]

Rank V gap for lights

[arctic granite]

Although I do want a M4A3 75

[soft oracle]

I hope they get something better in there

even tho there is a small number of such vehicles

[arctic granite]

Ngl the US has plenty of lights in that range already I don't see the need

T114 exists

[light wagon]

I'm rather happy too with the planned change. 50% less grind

[soft oracle]

No free rank v lights

[arctic granite]

Every vehicle type isn't required at every rank

[soft oracle]

Only thing I can think of

[arctic granite]

Yeah no point in adding more bloated vehicles where there isn't a need

[soft oracle]

It is required because they are lacking any scounts at rank 5

All of the vehicles are heavy

[light wagon]

I also saw they put the VBCI-2 in the french tree, that however is kinda shit

[eternal zenith]

just folder them

[soft oracle]

I don't plan on bringing T92 from 6.7 to 7.7

[arctic granite]

Sweden has zero heavy tanks. There's quite literally no point in adding lights to this part of the US tree where it's already heavily filled out and historically light tanks were more or less phased out

[arctic granite]

The French deserve more than scraps tbh

All of the Tier IV lights work exceptionally well at Tier V anyway I genuinely don't see the reason to add more bloat

.t M56 enjoyer

[light wagon]

especially since it's supposed to be rank 6 with no missile launchers 😄

[arctic granite]

When are we getting more French vehicles that should have been in the game years ago

AMX-10P, VBC, dozens upon dozens of upgraded variants

[sleek fractal]

They advertised a patch and 2 years later we got French naval

[light wagon]

well I play naval for SLs now

but not the french tree

[arctic granite]

Okay you know what

[serene birch]

i honestly just play lower tier GRB

[arctic granite]

Cadillac Commando

Would be a good addition for Tier V usa

Also when

[sleek fractal]

Humvees with Tow

[soft oracle]

or

[sleek fractal]

We got an AA Humvee for Japan already

[soft oracle]

T49

[arctic granite]

Humvees are cringe

M113 Dragon instead

[sleek fractal]

More Boxes,yeah true

More high tier leopards for Germany

[soft oracle]

Cadillac would be like AUBL

[light wagon]

I don't know how profitable low tier GRB is but concerning naval I'm shit and I make 80K per match

[soft oracle]

fair enough

[arctic granite]

France has such a great armory

[serene birch]

im making about 60ish per match and having a lot more fun than i did with any naval

[eternal zenith]

not a humvee

[soft oracle]

When for Brits?

[arctic granite]

Hopefully never

Saladin instead

[light wagon]

fair enough 🙂

[soft oracle]

73mm besh

UK lacks light at rank V too

after the changes

even tho Eland 90 is capableish

[arctic granite]

UK lacks lights in general

[soft oracle]

But new light would be awesome

[eternal zenith]

🇧 🇪 🇸 🇭

[arctic granite]

entire armory of vehicles, gets scraps and shit prototypes

[arctic granite]

Weird how only the germgroids get their western prototypes

[soft oracle]

This would fit better imho

[light wagon]

"Weird"

[soft oracle]

[soft oracle]

Cadillac has gazillion thing put on that platform

[arctic granite]

Imagine if you will

We love American ingenuity

[eternal zenith]

uuh

[arctic granite]

Imagine if they actually gave the US it's schizophrenic prototypes

[soft oracle]

M109 USA when??

[light wagon]

I want this 🤡

[soft oracle]

Come to Brazil

[arctic granite]

This patch I heard

[soft oracle]

Probably

I don't trust Leak lists

but I expected it when 2S3 came out

[arctic granite]

But M40, T92 and M110 when

T249 when

The entire DIVADS program when

[soft oracle]

I wonder what is going to be next USA anti aircraft

CIWS truck defo not

[arctic granite]

Patriot

[light wagon]

I also want an OP proto for France
Leclerc T4 when ?

[arctic granite]

Or Chapp

I Hawk

[keen sequoia]

Fucking CRAM truck that auto fires, all you must do is drive

[soft oracle]

Questionable

It is too big and 2 parts

[arctic granite]

If we had HALF of the US WW2 prototypes it would be insane

When are we getting the T72

[soft oracle]

If we had more prototypes in general

[arctic granite]

The US already has it's T34 MLRS

[soft oracle]

This is german Patriot

[serene birch]

tbf we do have the FlaRakRad and Pantsir in size plus the Churchill Croc with it's trailer

[arctic granite]

Whizbang when

[serene birch]

never

[sleek fractal]

That thing is wild

[arctic granite]

Just wait till we get the upgraded T34

[arctic granite]

Or the Xylophone

[soft oracle]

M901 on steroids

[arctic granite]

HGLS

Never ever

[arctic granite]

The Russians got their nuclear tank

When is the US getting it's TV-8

[soft oracle]

This could fit in rank V

Belgium but nvm

[arctic granite]

Okay but uhh

[soft oracle]

https://warthunder.com/en/news/8418-development-to-55-the-scorched-land-en

[arctic granite]

COMVAT when

flamethrower T-55

Y

Waste of money

[somber urchin]

It still has the 100mm gun bro :)

[soft oracle]

So?

[somber urchin]

So

[soft oracle]

It will just explode more violently

[arctic granite]

At least give us one of the Sherman crocs

[soft oracle]

When

[arctic granite]

Even though there's like 5 variants

[soft oracle]

I forgor

never

[arctic granite]

Personally I'm more of a hull mounted flamethrower guy

[somber urchin]

Is that the british Ajax or something?

Or the warrior upgrade

[arctic granite]

H4 > H5

[somber urchin]

Takes up a lot less room than I expected

Some radio dude space and an ammo rack

[soft oracle]

When??

[somber urchin]

Never

That looks like it could kill soviet heavies too easily

[trail briar]

never

[soft oracle]

it is in the files

Time will come

[ruby rain]

Dont the big 3 have enough tanks already? (relative to other nations)

[somber urchin]

They give the most money

so no

[light wagon]

if they wanted more money they'd just have to put op premiums in other nations, then nerf it, make another one and repeat the process

turn germains into x try hards

[soft oracle]

Well other nations don't have that many vehicles

[ruby rain]

Do the other nations not have a bunch of prototypes and experimental vehicles to dig up too?

[soft oracle]

Not really compared to big three

[ruby rain]

ok

[soft oracle]

Will F-5C get $70 price tag now that it is (hopefully) going to be rank VII

[somber urchin]

No probably not

[soft oracle]

Why do you think so?

[somber urchin]

oh nvm reading it now

Moreover, we’d also like to let you know of some premium vehicle price changes. Premium vehicles that are available to purchase in our store and for GE that will have their rank increased in the next major update will also receive an updated price in relation to their new rank in the tree. There is still time until the next major update in September to purchase these premium vehicles at their current prices.

So this is a way to squeeze more money

[soft oracle]

Kek

All of my premiums got moved up

Time to face a message: Pay additional $10 for every pack you bought

B-but I bought with your GJN not with my creditcard

[ruby rain]

premiums premiums premiums premiums premiums premiums premiums premiums premiums

[soft oracle]

Puma getting Spikes probably

[ruby rain]

Is there any other tank w 2 engines for redundancy like the SWE wedge?

[somber urchin]

the maus

The ferdi too iirc

Thats not for redundancy its just cause..

germans cant make reliable large engines

[ruby rain]

It'd be cool if both engines were modeled. If one gets shot out, the other one drives you to cover

(the wedge)

[somber urchin]

Meh

The last thing that vehicle needs is yet another unique mechanic

like the thing where it can be alive with just 1 crew member

[soft oracle]

2 different engines or pair of the same?

I mean you get this

Can it be considered as one or separate engines

[somber urchin]

its 1 engine

[soft oracle]

5 engines crammed into one

or like M24

[ruby rain]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C7cb7GlOnSY

I just watched this and the guy says that it has 2 engines and can run on either one

[somber urchin]

You are gonna be so mad when you realise the true extent of what Gaijin doesnt model lmao

[ruby rain]

I guess so

What do you think is better:

• more tanks
• better dmg model

[somber urchin]

uhh

damage model

Is that even a real question

more tanks has only made the game worse in the past like 4-5 years

[eternal zenith]

yeah, that annoys me most with it. Hit one engine, both fail. Even if one engine and one gearbox might be toast you should at least be able to move one set of tracks

[eternal zenith]

fellow maki enthusiast?

[soft oracle]

No, just baiting men

[eternal zenith]

having that in pfp means you're a guy tho

[soft oracle]

Does it?

[eternal zenith]

rather that you're into muscly anime wemen

https://tenor.com/bLK7y.gif

[arctic granite]

I can hear the hands rubbing together

[arctic granite]

better damage model

[arctic granite]

No it's just one engine because they all drive a central crank

[somber urchin]

Gaijin realising if they increase the rank of higher tier premiums they can increase the price and the community will thank them for it

I wish they put this much thought and cunning into making the gameplay better

[arctic granite]

they should just double all the prices of premiums

I wouldn't care, they get more money and paypigs get to go wild

[soft oracle]

That should be with taxes too

[sleek fractal]

Gameplay is good,they need to fix Battleratings

[somber urchin]

Hey uhh

Shermy do you have any more of those clips proving this guy wrong thanks

The gameplay is fucking ass

It has a lot of potential

enormous potential

but uhh

nah

bad maps
bad damage model
bad business model

=

bad gameplay

[sleek fractal]

Buisness model has nothing to do with gameplay

[arctic granite]

the gameplay is good by the way

[sleek fractal]

If you want to argue about how damage models are or hows it called now ? i forgot what its called

VOLUMETRIC

that shit

[arctic granite]

the gameplay is garbage, this isn't an argument you can win lmao

[somber urchin]

Yes it does

[somber urchin]

It has everything to do with gameplay

[arctic granite]

what's volumetric about this

or this

[sleek fractal]

You mean real shitter

[arctic granite]

"merely volmetric"

[sleek fractal]

no you mean volumetric i thought for a sec it was Air rb

[arctic granite]

volmetric btw

[sleek fractal]

The gun damage was real shatter actualy

the non existing gun damage

At least that was fixed

[arctic granite]

fun and engaging gameplay

[sleek fractal]

I mean hey shermy proves us hes a crack addict.

[somber urchin]

The issue was the Ju-288 insantly annihilating him is what I saw

[arctic granite]

Like I don't think you quite understand how many of these I have, these aren't even mine either, it's samples of dozens upon dozens of different people.

[sleek fractal]

Yeah and his guns dealing no damage,its 2 issues

[arctic granite]

so buckbroken he doesn't even respond in a coherent manner

here's your good gameplay bro

[soft oracle]

"Womp womp this game so brocken"
keeps playing it

[ruby rain]

So is that why I see planes smashing into the ground with no one getting the kill?

[arctic granite]

the gameplay is in fact, just fine

[sleek fractal]

The mechanics around the Gameplay are broken , i do agree

[somber urchin]

Thats usualyl just incompetence

[somber urchin]

That means the gameplay

[sleek fractal]

Not quite cause you can put it blunt and say "hey combined arms concept is good"

[arctic granite]

If you think league style maps with TDM being the only gamemode being good gameplay, please for the love of god get better taste

[somber urchin]

"the economy isnt broken merely the macro financial output of the country"

[arctic granite]

It's not a good concept from a gameplay perspective.

[somber urchin]

Yes I said it has immense potential

[sleek fractal]

Thats just your opinion

[arctic granite]

A repeatedly touted opinion held by many

see: any battlefield game

[somber urchin]

real combined arms is called ODS

[sleek fractal]

Thats arcade shit

[somber urchin]

And warthunder isnt lmao

[arctic granite]

and war thunder isn't?

[sleek fractal]

Arma 3 with a bunch of people is pretty fun

Warthunder is pseudo shit.

[somber urchin]

Arma 3 is super arcadey

[sleek fractal]

It mixes all up

[arctic granite]

dude! my specifically scripted missions against AI are so much fun!

okay?

[sleek fractal]

You gotta mod it

[somber urchin]

Even with mods

[arctic granite]

no it's just arcadey in it's entirely

there's NOTHING simulated about this game

[sleek fractal]

I think you never played with a Zeus

[somber urchin]

No its simulated

Just not in a realistic manner

or within realisitc parameters

[arctic granite]

I think you're nitpicking your own niche experiences and trying to implement them into a f2p business model that isn't going to work

[somber urchin]

I have played the CUP/RHS/whatever the fuck 150gb mods before

[arctic granite]

t. ran arma group and constantly does opsdev

[sleek fractal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR39H9ihI2Q&ab_channel=dslyecxi

Mhhh nah

[arctic granite]

Okay, so why isn't this a mainstream game :)

[sleek fractal]

Arma got pretty mainstream in the past years

Operation flashpoint hell that was niche

[arctic granite]

fuck bro, I guess 10k people is mainstream now

(it's not)

Arma is still a niche title and will continue to remain such

[somber urchin]

Overwatch 2 on STEAM has 4x the amount of people

And that game is hated

[arctic granite]

Like you've managed to go from "War Thunder has good gameplay" to "Combined arms is a good gameplay mechanic" while just completely getting rawdogged at every response

[sleek fractal]

Cause China loves these games and shit,they shut down China servers lol

[arctic granite]

Combined arms in an infantry/ground vehicle setting? Yeah, okay I can see that.

Combined arms in an air/ground setting? no chance after 1955.

[sleek fractal]

Concept *

If you do it right

[arctic granite]

corrects my statement
doesn't refute it

you got me bro

[sleek fractal]

We also established that your addicted to WT

[somber urchin]

The original statement btw

[arctic granite]

I've played 6 games in the past 4 months.

What I didn't do, is spend 10,000 euros on the game.

Unlike someone, not naming.

[somber urchin]

[sleek fractal]

And yet you have these useless discussions

Because someone does like a game you hate.

[arctic granite]

implying I hate war thunder

[sleek fractal]

You complain so much about everything

Wasted energy then ?

[arctic granite]

projection and insinuations don't work dog, you gotta get some substence and counter my argument instead of flinging anything at the wall and hoping it will stick

[somber urchin]

We are just telling you that you are like empiraclly wrong about things

[sleek fractal]

Self explanatory from this point on

[somber urchin]

you can enjoy it inspite of that

[sleek fractal]

That i like the gameplay and you dont ?

[somber urchin]

You said the gameplay was good

[sleek fractal]

We all know mechanics around it are broken

doesn mean i cant like it

[arctic granite]

He's just seething that he has no counter, there's nothing he can do to prove that the gameplay isn't dogshit

[sleek fractal]

implying im seething

[sleek fractal]

I dont need to prove that i like it

[arctic granite]

I'm not even implying it, I'm straight up accusing you of it.

[sleek fractal]

Telling you that i do is enough

[sleek fractal]

Prove it

[arctic granite]

You just replied to the same message twice in two different statements, you're attacking me personally and you are making outlandish insinuations about things you have no real knowledge about.

[sleek fractal]

i already said multiple times i like those useless discussions.

[arctic granite]

Here, you can take it any time you want bro

🇱

it's all yours

[somber urchin]

[sleek fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-peace-i-want-problems-always-choose-violence-no-peace-problems-gif-24342946

[keen sequoia]

[sleek fractal]

Hey i like Warthunders Gameplay and Shermy hates me for it

[arctic granite]

I don't even know who you are, why would I have an opinion of you

[somber urchin]

Ok you arent saying its good just that you like it

🙏

Thanks :)

[arctic granite]

You can say you like it, woop de doo

But it's by no means good

I've got literal treasure troves of evidence proving otherwise

[sleek fractal]

I call it good.Shermy post further evidence that he thinks its not.

[sleek fractal]

Thats how that shit actualy works.

btw

Just saying

[arctic granite]

Cool!

But that doesn't support good gameplay

[sleek fractal]

Thats where i agree

in that case

I still like it

Its a game after all.

[somber urchin]

We did it Sherm

we won

[arctic granite]

Neat but you just reinforced my argument by agreeing that historical accuracy doesn't coorelate with good gameplay and therefore implied that this change was a net negative.

[sleek fractal]

You won what ?

[arctic granite]

Here's your gameplay by the way

[somber urchin]

The argument

"Gameplay is good"

[soft oracle]

What is this supposed to mean?

[sleek fractal]

I still think the gameplay is good.

[somber urchin]

is now

"I enjoy the gameplay"

[sleek fractal]

i still enjoy the gameplay and think its good

You dont

thats fine

i dont see the problem xD

[arctic granite]

Hey man if you like feasting on fecal matter, be my guest right

but don't try to tell other people their tastes and what they think is good

[sleek fractal]

Theres people doing it,google Cat coffee

[sleek fractal]

Just like you tell me its shit ?

[arctic granite]

Leave it to a German to say that

[sleek fractal]

You are doing what i do but backwards

[arctic granite]

dunno what kinda mental gymnastics that is but whatever helps your synapses fire

good gameplay btw

[sleek fractal]

Im telling you my opinion,You are trying to change my opinion

Its just my opinion man xD

[arctic granite]

erm no, you stated the gameplay was good.

Like you said word for word "it IS good"

[sleek fractal]

Yes which was my opinion

and still is

[arctic granite]

Now you're just backpedeling

[sleek fractal]

The gameplay is good.

I like it.

[arctic granite]

and trying to insinuate that somehow the opposite side of the spectrum is forcing something on you

All I'm doing is showing you that you're wrong

[sleek fractal]

This

[sleek fractal]

is this

[arctic granite]

No it's not, I'm not saying you have to think, sleep or even speak a different way. Just showing evidence that what you believe might not be right

What you do with the information from here on out is on you

[somber urchin]

Do you think the gameplay is good or do you enjoy the gameplay, you keep switching it out

[arctic granite]

Because frankly I cannot fix stupid

[somber urchin]

Both have different implications

[sleek fractal]

I dont need evidence to back up my opinion,if i state a fact then i need to

[soft oracle]

Can opinion be wrong?

[sleek fractal]

I say the gameplay is good.You say its not,thats fine.

[arctic granite]

Yeah absolutely

[sleek fractal]

Yep and he doesnt like that mine is wrong for him

[somber urchin]

I like the gameplay of DCS but I also know the gameplay has many fundemental flaws that many people find to be bad and thereby unplayable

[arctic granite]

Someone says they like molesting kids, not exactly a right opinion is it

[sleek fractal]

Yep and that the modules are so expensive BUT have lots of love in them

[arctic granite]

I genuinely don't care about your opinion, I just enjoy providing samples of "Good Gameplay"

[somber urchin]

uhh lots of love

not really

[sleek fractal]

Which is fine

[arctic granite]

"this is fine"
"that is fine"

we get it bro, you have nothing to add to the discussion

[sleek fractal]

Should i tell you its not fine that you state YOUR opinion ?

Cause its totaly ok

fine

alright

call it what you want

[somber urchin]

He also provided evidence

[sleek fractal]

He backed up his opinion,yes

To change mine,but i wont

Cause i like Warthunder and admit it

Nobody says its not broken

I even agree on some points hes making

Doesnt change my opinion on it though

[arctic granite]

You can think what you want, I don't care. But it's being review bombed for a reason

[sleek fractal]

Yep it is

And ?

[ruby rain]

In my experience
Gameplay is good until a rinky-dink skeleton frame heli with ATGMs the size of your torso shows up
(im jus hating on cas)

[sleek fractal]

Valid

[soft oracle]

Invalid, CAS isn't a problem

[somber urchin]

Lemme guess

German player?

[sleek fractal]

Me ?

[arctic granite]

I have one more thing to add before I head back to class

[somber urchin]

No

[arctic granite]

No one is saying you can't eat literal dogshit for lunch everyday, just that you don't have to.

[sleek fractal]

Ah i though you want to project the Germain onto me cause im German xD

[sleek fractal]

That it is.Warthunder could be so much better.But it is what it is.You know yourself pretty well how they react to feedback.

[somber urchin]

Apparently they make pretty big changes if you complain enough

[sleek fractal]

Yep and wait til they shadow nerf something again

I just stopped complaining.Makes everything so much more enjoyable

except one death leavers.Fuck those.

[somber urchin]

truely one of the worst attitudes to have

[sleek fractal]

Yep but life is much simpler if you dont hate everything.

[somber urchin]

I dont hate everything

[sleek fractal]

its a saying

[soft oracle]

I mean it is better than yapping and crying here, if you got a problem with it, go to the officials

[sleek fractal]

You can do that,mostly they wont.Took me months to get the Sabres damage modells fixed with multiple videos of proof that they were broken.

[somber urchin]

You need to change hearts and minds before major changes can happen 🙏

[sleek fractal]

Well if you seen the demands of the loudest Community Members you would also call them crazy.

The changes they did now are pretty good.

[somber urchin]

The changes are like 8 years too late 😤

I think they are good changes

[sleek fractal]

8 years is pretty accurate

[somber urchin]

but dont settle for mediocrity

Gaijin is not your friend

[sleek fractal]

Their a buisness.

60€ for a Premium is way to much

[somber urchin]

Gaijin is a multimillion dollar company and deserve to be given no quarter

[sleek fractal]

Im on that train too

Thats the thing they need to make it worth

And only Premium time is worth it

30€ for a year on sale.

You always need to consider both sides,the player and the buisness.Their buisness modell is complete Garbage

But they all do that.

Thats why they can do it

[soft oracle]

Said decent amount of players before changes, after them changes they bought 2 premium packs like way of thanking Gaijin for positivity 🙏

[sleek fractal]

Thats the other issue

The People buy that crap

[somber urchin]

Yeah I know warthunder players are stupid

Have you seen this channel

[sleek fractal]

Im the one who wasted 10,000€ on the game til 2 years ago when i completely stopped except for that Year of premium

[ruby rain]

I spent not a cent

[somber urchin]

Germans cannot be trusted with monetary policy

[sleek fractal]

What did you expect when Shermy wrote that ? xD

[soft oracle]

Ones that cry the loudest tend to be those on the lower IQ spectrum

[somber urchin]

I did I just waited to see how long until you said it lmao

[sleek fractal]

Ahhh xD

I just have the money

[somber urchin]

[sleek fractal]

You dont wanna know how much i spend on WoWs,WoT and other Games

[somber urchin]

Thats not a flex

[soft oracle]

Piss on the poor I guess

[sleek fractal]

i have over 500 Games on Steam

[somber urchin]

Again

not a flex

[sleek fractal]

Its the truth bomb some people need

[somber urchin]

LIke who

[sleek fractal]

I know much worse people.

[somber urchin]

"wow look at me I have so much money I can piss it away xD"

[sleek fractal]

And they still spend more money than i did xD

[somber urchin]

I prefer to just invest mine

[sleek fractal]

Wrong thinking

[sleek fractal]

This

Having it before your eyes HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WASTED

that makes you overthink it

i basicly have nothing,its all virtual garbage

[somber urchin]

I have many things which only go up in value 🙏

[sleek fractal]

Same,but the stockpile of shit is just as big xD

[soft oracle]

Your kidneys!!!

[somber urchin]

Nah those go down from now on

[soft oracle]

Alcholic

[somber urchin]

no

just uhhh

no longer growing

[sleek fractal]

My gaming chair was 200€ and i bought it for 150€ from Gamescom 2019 now its at 300€ price

Stonks

Just ignore the cat fur

[somber urchin]

Why would a gaming chair appreciate in value

Its like a standard commodity

[sleek fractal]

Its an "ergonomic" one in camouflage.

[somber urchin]

Its not even a like "high end" one for that price (high end ones are garbage value)

[sleek fractal]

This one supports my back more than those Randos in WT

[somber urchin]

Low bar lmao

[eternal zenith]

Anyone looking to be put into gaijin as a mole and leak the source code + server stack?

[sleek fractal]

They use Amazon Servers

EU Servers are located in the Netherlands

Just Hack or DDOS those like they did the last 2 years

[eternal zenith]

i don't care about their servers, just run community servers

prob need like 3-4 different services

[cold lichen]

Whar

[ruby rain]

Why do people even play CAS? stinky mfs

you dont need to win every match

[soft oracle]

Best US tanker is in CAS

[ruby rain]

"tanker"

[eternal zenith]

I learned to love CAS players over the span of last year. Feels good shooting them mfs down with well placed AA fire

VT fuze my beloved

[ruby rain]

Killing them with cannon and missiles is satisfying

[soft oracle]

Killing them with my DShK

[ruby rain]

UK has no such thing

[soft oracle]

UK issue

[eternal zenith]

The DShK truck is hilariously bad but fun at the same time

[ruby rain]

The Bosvark has 2 ZSU-23-2 anti-air cannons

[eternal zenith]

zsu-23-2 is the designation for the twin gun setup

they got 4x23mm guns?

[ruby rain]

oh

2 barrels

[eternal zenith]

gotta play GB

they got some really cool stuff

stormer AA rockets

[ruby rain]

sure
go right ahead

SPAA w armour

[somber urchin]

Its easy

And you get a lot of points for it if you play the right vehicle

like Do-335 b-2

Easily 6+ ground kill possiblity

without having to rearm

[arctic granite]

inability to use tanks leads to people finding other ways to kill tanks

(they are bad at the game)

[somber urchin]

Its a lot easier to kill someone in an entrenched position with a bomb than with a tank

Its just how the game is designed (badly)

[ruby rain]

I literally just got 6 kills w my Cent

[somber urchin]

Yeah cents are really good

but you probably dont do that reliably?

[ruby rain]

absolutely not

[somber urchin]

With planes its much easier to get reliable kills

[arctic granite]

.50 cal moment

nice open topped vehicle dickhead

splashes you with metal fragments

[somber urchin]

[arctic granite]

let's try this

https://i.imgur.com/xVpP3Yx.png

[somber urchin]

At least german 20mm dont have AP for shit like hispanos lmao

Oh you got a new monitor

[arctic granite]

https://i.imgur.com/e2SIGYR.png

awesome

[somber urchin]

[ruby rain]

Now its Vickers mk3 time

[arctic granite]

https://i.imgur.com/b4XaCyb.png

oh they really just do that huh

so we could have stopped having Karelia at 10.0 for years huh

[somber urchin]

Yeah

[ruby rain]

?

[arctic granite]

ifkyk

[ruby rain]

You mean Karelia max BR at 10.0?

[somber urchin]

Top tier jungle

What vehicles are you even gonna play Shermy

[arctic granite]

the really cool one called the hangar

[somber urchin]

Waow :)

[arctic granite]

and then go play something good like RealRTCW

[somber urchin]

?

[arctic granite]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1379630/RealRTCW/

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[somber urchin]

Ah

[arctic granite]

We have good taste in this household

[somber urchin]

Nice

I never got the opportunity to play those games really only in recent times

where I have chosen to play other arguably worse games

[arctic granite]

he thinks I played this game before 2022

erm hello?

[somber urchin]

I dunno???

I think you have mentioned the old NFS games before..

As for the flamer T-55

its a T-55A so its gonna have the stab I guess but no APFSDS it seems

So uhhh

DoA

[arctic granite]

waste of my time

[arctic granite]

okay but I played those when they came out

[somber urchin]

fair enough

I just played fuckin Halo

[arctic granite]

I flew the wyvern, smacked a 110, had a 9T chase me to the edge of the map and dunked on a 9U

epic gameplay

[eternal zenith]

check your ssd

[arctic granite]

no

[eternal zenith]

just saying, write issues can indicate EOL for solid states

[arctic granite]

okay but the issue was the game tried to boot twice and one instance failed while the other one booted just fine

[soft oracle]

Hello based department it is AIM 9E becoming 9X when it locks on friendlies

Sorry MiG-21 your afterburner is not so hot therefore I seek soft engines of A-10 that is twice as far

[somber urchin]

your mistake was shooting at an enemy with a friendly in LOS

[soft oracle]

I can't stop the missile midflight

[ruby rain]

Shermy, have any tips for 38th paralell?

[eternal zenith]

I think a A-10 actually has a brighter thermal silhouette than a Mig-21

Only talking about the overall power tho, not sure how well that translates to heat. Turbofan being def cooler than a turbojet

[somber urchin]

Im not the Sherman man however never go to the right (east) side only ever go left (west)

Avoid exposing yourself to the enemy sniper hill

And uhhh

alt F4 when you get it :)

[arctic granite]

Task manager

[ruby rain]

aight ok

[soft oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsLvQ28n4fg

[ruby rain]

Port Novorossiysk also kinda sucks. Once you reach that chokehold in the middle, theres nowhere to go without getting shot

[soft oracle]

Port Novo is the most boring map ever

[somber urchin]

When are you gonna learn that all the maps suck massive ass

[soft oracle]

You just camp one corner

[ruby rain]

If you say all, then compared to which game? In the context of WT some are better than others