#[0.33] GOTH MOMMY Radar Overhaul

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vale wolf
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GOTH (Ground Over The Horizon) is a highly optimized, high-performance Harmony injection mod for Nuclear Option that drastically buffs radar detection systems, eliminating their inability to detect high-altitude threats at long ranges.

At the core of GOTH is the Multi Orbital Mapping & Monitoring Yield (MOMMY) sub-system. MOMMY dynamically adjusts the internal math of the vanilla radar engine, ensuring that both airborne and surface-based air defense systems remain highly lethal over the horizon without causing exponential math errors or tanking framerates. Because sometimes, SAM sites just need their MOMMY to help them see.
https://github.com/SonPamungkas/goth-mommy

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GitHub - SonPamungkas/goth-mommy: GOTH MOMMY Radar Overhaul (Ground...

GOTH MOMMY Radar Overhaul (Ground Over The Horizon Multi Orbital Mapping & Monitoring Yield) - SonPamungkas/goth-mommy

storm ermine
timid rampart
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Insane mod name

weak bloom
quartz pivot
tight magnet
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Awe man.....

vale wolf
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This mod makes surface air defenses a very Dominant factor

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glacial stirrup
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Keep cooking

timid rampart
distant fiber
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This is compatibilty with mods like QoL, Aryx Ship Expansion, Chimera instalations?

vale wolf
timid rampart
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Oh no

distant fiber
distant fiber
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ram-45 didnt have that distance

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or this is dynamo say hi

vale wolf
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`The Nuclear Option vanilla radar relies on a "Signal Strength" equation that mimics real-world physics (the 4th-root decay law). Normally, radar systems have a hardcoded maxRange and a minSignal threshold that prevents them from detecting distant targets regardless of altitude.

GOTH intercepts the CanSeeRadarReturn function and applies a series of dynamic multipliers before the engine calculates the signal score:`

timid rampart
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Does this make it more or less realistic technically? My peabrain can’t quite decide

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Ahh who cares

vale wolf
timid rampart
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Eww, math… yuck

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/j

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Makes sense ig

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Didn’t think of that

vale wolf
# timid rampart Didn’t think of that

Exactly my thoughts after learning physics, radiophysics, geophysics, and converting them into C# format, only to throw them all out the window because i just remembered the lack of curvature in Nuclear Option

young sphinx
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flat earth claims another

timid rampart
harsh root
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LOL. Mommy radar...
Hey mom. Why your radar on ignus doing??😅

potent crest
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Hoping this'll make KAR's radars better too?

vale wolf
potent crest
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Hell yes.

boreal anchor
vale wolf
boreal anchor
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Is this just a radar range detection multiplier

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Like

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Did you just make the radars have triple the power and that’s it?

ashen horizon
boreal anchor
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ahhhhh

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Nice

vale wolf
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Flying non-stealth are very punishing with this mod

ashen horizon
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My testing results are 90km spot for Ifrit at 1km height and Stratos firing at 75km with 15% success rate (Ifrits use CMs and notch).

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Ifrits are AI packed with QoL munitions like mini demo bombs on wings (non-stealth).

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Probably will piledrive the pilerdiver users so hard because it's gonna be tracked all the way up and down

boreal anchor
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This will be nice with landlocked map

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For now seem a bit overpowered

vale wolf
ashen horizon
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Fun fact - Ifrits using notch+EW actually stop being tracked! Not just missiles lose them, but datalink loses them.

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stelff

boreal anchor
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That’s vanilla?

vale wolf
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It's already in the game btw, but only very obvious now after greatly exaggerated with this mod

ashen horizon
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Gonna test the (vanilla-hidden) Ibis-grade radar containers to see how useful they've became.

vale wolf
# boreal anchor How

Basically, the game's radar system works by inputting distance, tgt altitude, tgt RCS, max range into an equation
If that resulted in numbers bigger than the fixed min signature of 0.500

  1. The emitter spots and tracks you (yellow blip)
  2. If sufficiently equipped, use it as firing solution (red blip)
boreal anchor
vale wolf
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This mod made those equation much more unforgiving by adding

  1. Detection Multiplier
    1.0 + (altitude * 0.001 * RCS)
  2. RCS lock Multiplier
    1.0 + RCS
  3. Max Range Extension
    DetectMult * lockMult
  4. Min signal reduction
    (0.500 - RCS) / detectMult
vale wolf
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Then inspect the [RADAR] in the logoutput and player.log

honest dome
vale wolf
honest dome
ashen horizon
vale wolf
paper stone
brazen island
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I guess dude

ashen horizon
teal bear
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i guess bro

storm ermine
# teal bear

Brochacho did the same thing as me and thought she was slick 😭

dire oxide
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bro did not have to put all the dominatinings in bold

turbid helm
light topaz
vale wolf
turbid helm
vale wolf
turbid helm
# vale wolf Fuwamoco

i'll be honest, i dont know much about vtubers, since i made that livery for a friend

vale wolf
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Ooo, well anyway thanks for that livery btw. Been using it for over a year now

regal tusk
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@vale wolf my hands started shaking when I saw the title 🫡

violet willow
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my game crashed when i used this on ignus, ill see if it keeps happening

violet willow
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nvm its stable, but its seems stealth does not work, i was being detected by a boltstrike at 75km in a clean vortex

vale wolf
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This mod made those equation much more unforgiving by adding

  1. Detection Multiplier
    1.0 + (altitude * 0.001 * RCS)
  2. RCS lock Multiplier
    1.0 + RCS
  3. Max Range Extension
    DetectMult * lockMult
  4. Min signal reduction
    (0.500 - RCS) / detectMult
violet willow
vale wolf
honest dome
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whats the full equation rn again

violet willow
vale wolf
# honest dome whats the full equation rn again

Basically, the game's radar system works by inputting distance, tgt altitude, tgt RCS, max range into an equation
If that resulted in numbers bigger than the fixed min signature of 0.500

  1. The emitter spots and tracks you (yellow blip)
  2. If sufficiently equipped, use it as firing solution (red blip)
honest dome
vale wolf
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I forgot what the original equation was

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But they're too forgiving when not fully stealth

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Making them easy to Stratobomb and saturate, reducing the necessity for SEAD/DEAD

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GOTH MOMMY invert those priority. SEAD DEAD and Seaskim over the other two

honest dome
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implement this for radars pls :)

violet willow
# vale wolf More like a joke mod tbh

I would like to see a actual version of this mod+some bvr reworks (slightly more dangerous radar missiles, less effective MAW, better ir missiles) to make bvr combat scarier and stealth more important

honest dome
vale wolf
honest dome
violet willow
honest dome
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also thats only 1 part of the whole detection mechanic

vale wolf
stiff hinge
vale wolf
stiff hinge
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@vale wolf Advent or the other ppl (the ppl that have ina and kiara and stuff)

vale wolf
honest dome
vale wolf
violet willow
# vale wolf I think it's fine right now

I'm gonna rephrase, I think I would like that. The base game system is great and good for players who aren't as versed in air combat, but I think a mod to change the bvr combat to be more hardcore and unforgiving would resonate with a crowd like me (huge nerds)

vale wolf
stiff hinge
honest dome
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comprehensive sensors and datalink overhaul with vastly different radar stats for each plane please

vale wolf
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Radome Medusa are nigh omniscient

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Especially at altitude

violet willow
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I mean this as a new mod

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Ok maybe I should have specified that

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Lol

vale wolf
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Who knows, I have other priorities

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Maintaining it is another story

violet willow
vale wolf
violet willow
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Oh I already know what word it is lol

vale wolf
violet willow
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I think the boltstrike detecting my vortex was the game being buggy cause I used NOMM

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My guess is some wierd conflict happened and messed up the values

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The QOL changes to radars on top of that probably doesn't help

violet willow
vale wolf
violet willow
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Maybe the values are effected in a way that causes a divide by zero or whatever

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Ehh I'll try it in the morning on its own see if it's different

vale wolf
vale wolf
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Even in low RCS, it's still unforgiving if you're at altitude

violet willow
vale wolf
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This is the current applied multiplier btw

  1. Detection Multiplier
    1.0 + (altitude * 0.001 * RCS)
  2. RCS lock Multiplier
    1.0 + RCS
  3. Max Range Extension
    DetectMult * lockMult
  4. Min signal reduction
    (0.500 - RCS) / detectMult
violet willow
vale wolf
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You can also turn on verbose logging so you could see what's your biggest number (altitude, distance, or RCS)

violet willow
vale wolf
violet willow
vale wolf
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It's because of min signal reduction btw

vale wolf
vale wolf
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Fyi: min signal is the minimum return required for track and lock

vale wolf
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1.2 (Range & Tracking Update)

Current Formula

  1. Detection Multiplier
    1.0 + (altitude * 0.001 * RCS)
  2. RCS lock Multiplier
    1.0 + RCS
  3. Max Range Extension
    origMaxRange * DetectMult * lockMult * (1.0 + log10(emitter_altitude +1))
  4. Min signal reduction
    origMinSignal (0.500) / lockMult
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Release 1.2 (Range & Tracking Update) · SonPamungkas/goth-mommy

Adjusted the MaxRange extension to logarithmically increase with Emitter's altitude
Adjusted MinSignal reduction to decouple from altitude and solely rely on their RCS

snow snow
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That is quite a name

vale wolf
snow snow
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What doesn’t femboi do