[Aircraft] [0.33] RAH-72 Knockout

[radiant juniper]

Never did solo megafactories on diff-10 as it went beyond my capabilities, and it demanded too much spike in blood pressure and a very specific loadout in order to complete it. Automaton’s still my favourite faction by far tho

[prime tendon]

seems like you cant split the internal bays

[loud knot]

peak

[verbal obsidian]

Hey arynx

I was wondering if you know 👉🏻👈🏻

[buoyant minnow]

She's not on the server anymore.

[fiery sundial]

Mfw ppl hate an optional mod so much it makes the creator leave the community

[modern junco]

STOP.
If you wanna it in vanilla. This mod shouldnt be as mod.
I think only in this case it will be spossible

[buoyant minnow]

Who tf said anything about vanilla

[verbal obsidian]

What is bro on 🥀

[verbal obsidian]

Does that mean no more cool mods ?

[modern junco]

What if this was planned by devs and rejected because devs saw this as mod?

[buoyant minnow]

I don't know, honestly, but it might be a possibility

[buoyant minnow]

Uh... wut?

[hollow dragon]

Crazy man

[autumn musk]

What's the point of this argument bruh

No one is asking for a vanilla version of this aircraft, someone was simply asking if Aryx was aware of that aircraft design depicted in the images given

[potent scarab]

still no burnout?

[crimson forum]

she burned out because of idiots who couldn't stop complaining about shit

edit 27.05: aryx returned btw

[autumn musk]

Can't enjoy free shit without going "much vanilla balance!!!" when it comes to Aryx's aircraft for some reason

Meanwhile, the Ternion, Kestrel, QoL, SuperIfrit, Growler Ifrit, AB-4X, and other mods:

I do not get why these aircraft in particular were getting singled out

Over all the other stuff that exists in the modding landscape

Especially the Knockout 🥀

[regal swallow]

if you hate them, just don't download them, really

the audacity and stupidity of humanity is uncanny

why ruins someone else's fun

[autumn musk]

So called competitive players

[regal swallow]

mods are optional

quite possibly asinine of them to go complain about something optional

[crimson forum]

Hey, I am competitive and didnt complain

[regal swallow]

poor Aryx doesn't deserve the backlash

[crimson forum]

It's not about being competitive

It's about not being a dick

[regal swallow]

I just hope Aryx will return, man

[autumn musk]

I wasn't saying it was every one of them but some people seem to forget mods and the vanilla experience do not mix

[pearl quiver]

What is there to compete even…I guess if you host tournaments/score attack, but I’ve yet to see anyone do a big one/have a modded one

[regal swallow]

still eagerly waiting for her NAVEX to come onto NOMM

[crimson forum]

That's part of "not being a dick"

Hell, I've seen more non-competitive players talk shit

[regal swallow]

I think at this point it's not about competitive or not anymore, it's just that some people are too butthurt by modded gameplay

waving the purist flag

[crimson forum]

Skilled players I know either didn't really care or liked it, without any shittalk

[buoyant minnow]

We had a good thing here, and some people managed to mess it up. The only competitive thing going here is complaining, like a whole group of people with PhDs in "bitching and whining"

[regal swallow]

like, everyone is free to enjoy what they want to play, why go enforcing their own playstyles onto someone else is the issue here

[buoyant minnow]

That's what I always kept saying. If you don't like a mod - don't play it. If you want a balanced vanilla experience - then why the hell are you even looking at mods, go play vanilla, why make it into a problem for everyone else?

I honestly can't understand these people

[regal swallow]

you're not the only one

if modding is considered gamebreaking experience, pretty sure NO wouldn't have been moddable in the first place

like, go play Warthunder if you can't handle aircraft modding, jesus

or worse, World of Warplanes

that will be the purest vanilla experience

[autumn musk]

God forbid modded aircraft are exactly what they are, modified/custom aircraft

Clearly they must all be so called "Vanilla+" aircraft

As if they're intended to mimic vanilla balance

(Literally none of them do to this day)

never let the NO community cook ever again when it comes to modded aircraft balance

Another thing is that it would certainly appear to me that this so called loud minority cares more about modded aircraft balance more than they do vanilla aircraft balance

Like

💔

[raw goblet]

Will Aryx still be making mods I hope?
If not I'll be really pissed off whoever harassed them into not making mods anymore because of the most worthless thing to complain over being balance.
I really liked seeing what they would make.

[crimson forum]

we just gotta sit tight and hope for the best

[fallen epoch]

Yeah, my friends and I haven't played bugs in a long time, we'll occasionally try squids and then remember why we play bots as we get to experience what it's like to be on the receiving end of combined arms tactics.

I mean, getting strafed by Stingrays, Overseer artillery making it hazardous to step out in the open, hordes of Voteless flushing you out of cover...yeah, it's a ride.

Back to the topic of this channel, Aryx made a new aircraft from nothing in five days. That is an astounding achievement, and to have that level of talent and effort treated like trash to the point that it makes the creator quit is disgusting.

(I had much stronger words for the basement-dweller who broke Aryx, but I kept getting censored by automod. Genuinely pissed that someone bullied her to the point that modding stopped being fun for her, I loved flying her F-16. Felt just like I'd dreamed that that aircraft would feel.)

[delicate lynx]

i did a full backflip and landed on the taxiway like nothing its op lol

[raw goblet]

It's not OP.

I can do that in a Ibis and Chicane too, but this helicopter is just really really really light so its really easy.

[gloomy birch]

Compass can fly without a wing and with only one engine so it's clearly OP.

when the vehicle's gimmick makes it different from other airframes!

[crimson forum]

reminder that there wasn't particular someone

there were different people, with different requests

and a lot of them were acting shitty

there is not a particular person that this could be blamed on

all we can do is be better and do not encourage other people to act this way

[copper anvil]

i thought chicane only could laze 2 targets?

[copper anvil]

[copper anvil]

yeah you can really arrest downward momentum SUPER easily, its fun

[cold dome]

The heli that i most wanted as mod ends up fictional 😭

[copper anvil]

and a helicopter, which was a first for her, AND with no tail rotor, which im not entirely sure the game is exactly set up to handle that well, at the very least also hasnt been done before at all...and (after a few patches) got it working pretty well!!

[gloomy birch]

This is the second time this happens.

Second time that I could count, anyway.

Insanity.

[autumn musk]

Can't have nice things vro

Abysmal communication is going to be our downfall collectively as a species

[buoyant minnow]

But there's a group, and the urge to ping every single dude who caused that to happen is... strong

[copper anvil]

https://tenor.com/bCVfs.gif

use your angerrrr

[buoyant minnow]

I feel like I'll get banned if I start going this route, and create this sort of conflict

The people we're talking about - they know who they are. And I hope they're glad that they used to get modded aircraft at a good pace, and now they will get nothing due to their own behavior. Nicely done, you ruined it for yourselves and everybody else.

[copper anvil]

except if they think they're in the right, they'll just get more mad that the mod author "didnt listen to criticism" or smth (completely oblivious as to what actual helpful criticism is) and blame them for quitting instead of themselves for pushing the author away from modding...

[buoyant minnow]

Doesn't really matter, honestly, because the fact remains: they used to have a mod creator, and now they don't

[wide whale]

Usually people that do something like so are unaware/incapable of realizing what they're doing, aka Twitter-like, so they most likely will not realize how good they had it until the cool modded aircraft stop coming out

[copper anvil]

yes, but the goal would be to try and mitigate this issue more in the future, more people that realize the issue, esp the ones perpetuating it, the less it happens, one would hope

[fallen epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-meg-griffin-i-just-wanna-talk-to-him-put-that-gun-away-family-guy-gif-14677957

[buoyant minnow]

The only thing that would actually get them to stop ruining things - is replying to their complaints with "boo-hoo", "womp-womp", "cry more", and so on. Give them an inch - they will take a mile, so the best defense is to tell them that no one's gonna listen to them, and they should take their complaints to someone who cares

[fallen epoch]

Yeah...being honest in my wanderings I have seen that if the hive mind is given a bone they will demand more, and then bitch about it not being a steak. The only way to engage is to push through and make it clear to them that their opinions are worthless.

[gentle siren]

https://tenor.com/view/piss-nuke-piss-nuke-tutorial-truth-nuke-true-true-morgan-freeman-gif-1990497734463688507

[copper anvil]

well, ig we (and the haters) can enjoy the mods until the next big update that breaks them, then they can go complain about smth else

[weary yoke]

These people quite frankly are malignant sacks of excrement who if I were in Mitch's position, I'd have had them banned from the discord the moment they came to my attention. Hell, were it possible I'd revoke their keys.

The whole point, of modding, is to create content that the developers didn't, or to adjust or change things that they did. It's all author-authoritative, if you don't like it, give feedback. if the creator says no, make your own! Christ's sake..

This effing community, the more bad things I hear about it, the more I want to not play.

[weary yoke]

Agreed. And frankly that's how I'm going to approach these people from now on.

[gentle siren]

"your telling me that i cant have every mod the way i want it??????" - reddit user basement dweller 9

[weary yoke]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bugs-bunny-bunny-1

If you don't like it, learn to effing mod bozo.

I know you're joking Yolky, but still, point stands on the matter writ large.

[gentle siren]

yeah im just joking lol

[buoyant minnow]

Here, short guide on what to do about unbalanced mods :v

[gentle siren]

gif snatched

[buoyant minnow]

-# exactly what I made it for

[verbal obsidian]

Bought the game for this thing only

[verbal obsidian]

I blame redditors

[ripe otter]

Jesus christ this is why we cannot have nice things

people suck.

[buoyant minnow]

I don't have high hopes, but I'm still praying that she'll keep doing stuff on her own server. Working with Aryx was an absolute joy, her productivity was contagious as hell

[ripe otter]

By the way, you are the knockout's composer, right? The knockout's track is awesome, my favorite of all official and unofficial tracks in the game

[buoyant minnow]

Yup, the F-16, Chimera, and Knockout - those are mine. I have a few more ready, for the aircraft that I'm not sure are gonna be made and released, but... I'll give it time, I guess. If Aryx is actually gone - I'm probably just gonna release those as "[CANCELLED] OST" or whatever, I don't know

[ripe otter]

Man.. what a loss. You should post the knockout's ost as well, would be nice to have it on youtube.

[buoyant minnow]

Yeah, the Knockout ost will be there, I'll make a music vid just like I did with the previous two, but that will take a bit of time to record and edit

[dreamy light]

i hope aryx isnt completely done cause of some redditors, that would be the quickest ive ever seen a modding scene for a game die

[gentle siren]

NUCOP Modding scene death any%

[crimson forum]

modding scene isn't dead

primeva 2082 is still here

and they have a lot of mods upcoming

granted they are nowhere near aryx speed or mastery

[dreamy light]

what im saying is that if we allow these redditor types to try and force their vision onto the modding scene, it will stifle creativity and fun. not every mod needs to cater to competitive players

[crimson forum]

again, it has nothing to do with being competitive

most of shitasses who complained probably don't even know how to play it properly

also, this happened with Aryx because she was too open

in my opinion

and she was sorta alone on this whole thing

[gentle siren]

its a real shame to see one of or only actual big modders go away

due to reddit basement dwellers

[crimson forum]

facing lots of complaints from people who can never be satisfied

[dreamy light]

indeed

[gentle siren]

i wish there was a way to talk specifically to the people who bugged and annoyed aryx about this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/883470305669034005/1336330616098131978/togif-1.gif

[obsidian oxide]

is anyone in her discord? maybe some clarification would be in order

[buoyant minnow]

In her discord - no idea what's happening, she kinda went no-contact

[obsidian oxide]

hm

[lucid basin]

jesus christ what the fluff happened in here

did a few neckbeards actually ruin it for the rest of us

[gentle siren]

yes

[copper anvil]

prob just needs a break to breathe and whatnot, then we'll see...whatever she decides i hope it goes well for her, whether she starts modding this again or not, dont matter, so long as she can enjoy it

[dreamy light]

i hope so

[radiant juniper]

I mean we can talk about what happened all we like, it happened, what Aryx does next is up to them and I can only wish for them to return not jaded, but refreshed. And yeah, lately things have been stirring up for modders and all of that sort, but for the time being I think it’d be best if we started discussing about the mods Aryx has and what we’re currently vibin’ with or of anything’s amiss.

Like any idea on what’s causing the Knockout to become so shaky wakey at full collective?

I initially thought I broke a rotor or somethin’.

[distant gate]

The upper and lower blades of the propellers are too close to each other, which leads to their damage during overloads during maneuvering (in reality, one of the early prototypes of the Ka-50 crashed, which then caused the upper propeller to be raised higher)

[radiant juniper]

So you’re telling me, when during high load manoeuvring the Knockout basically.. knocks out their own rotors?

[hollow dragon]

Minor design fault

[raw goblet]

Damn, it's really a knockout ain't it?

[distant gate]

When maneuvering, the upper and lower propellers sometimes intersect (for NPCs, I noticed when they were shaking in flight, I noticed when time was slowing down)

[radiant juniper]

So basically under those conditions, the rotors sometimes, maybe, perhaps. Maychance, potentially and perchance collide with one another

[distant gate]

If the screws are separated from each other, the problem disappears (on the real ka 50 it was fixed)

[glad tusk]

anyone else start shaking a little after going fast?

[radiant juniper]

^

[radiant juniper]

Interestin’ stuff

[fallen epoch]

Is that also an issue on the Ibis? I haven't flown it enough to find out yet

[radiant juniper]

No, its not an issue on the Ibis. The shakiness occurs only for the Knockout

[radiant juniper]

Take a look at what Belgyiksnylov posted

[fallen epoch]

That makes sense, thanks!

[rapid river]

I enjoy the hell out of this mod, it very nice to have a rank 0 recon heli!

[rain cradle]

me too, this heli is what really got me into using helis in NO. imo chicane is not worth it when i can buy a brawler instead and spam missiles and kingpins

[rapid river]

It's cheap enough that you can do some risky maneuver, I ended up blowing up a shard with a few runs of it

[pearl quiver]

Well hopefully she’s just taking a well deserved break away from online interactions.

[raw goblet]

I'm absolutely in love with the Knockout after flying it for awhile now

It feels like something PALA would have in place of the Chicane tbh.

Sure it might not have armor, buuuuuuuttt it's agile as heck.

[rain cradle]

and it does not VRS at all. which is a plus to me 'cause VRS gets really annoying when trying to land fast or descend to take cover on a hill or mountain.

[lucid basin]

blade clash

[lucid basin]

it’s apparently possible to vrs it

i have yet to manage to do so

and it’s got so much excess power it just doesn’t care :3

[obsidian oxide]

the chicane is easy to set up a forward ammo dump in some remote part of the map. its versatility in repeated takeoff and landing without a runway is what makes it worth using

[rain cradle]

oh i see. haven't see it this way, thanks for the tip.

[obsidian oxide]

i think the “meta” in this game though is still just to suicide rush the enemy, a lot of people don’t bother landing or rearming like, ever.

[rain cradle]

well i do land but not to only rearm. it is both to get the sortie bonus and change loadout. 😆 it never occurs to me to land and take off again and i don't know why

[pliant aspen]

Imo this is usually a sign of the economy being too high and the sortie success bonus being too low

[rain cradle]

with the same aircraft and loadout that is

[pliant aspen]

Literally never done that either. The battle is always changing way too fast to be taking the exact same loadout over and over. I can see it being useful in some workshop maps but even then I usually respawn to correct some minor damage defect or other

[obsidian oxide]

it’s helpful when you’re probing an enemy base or ship. same mission, same circumstances, you just can’t carry enough ammo

[radiant juniper]

I usually equip a multirole loadout as I usually have a goal in mind with some added flexibility, then again I love maining the Revoker so my entire lifestyle is in and out, rinse and repeat. I prefer the Revoker for it’s zippy “blow up a specific target(s) or asset and bugger out”

Chicane for me is an amazing bugger albeit, I find the Chicane low cortisol inducing, relaxing and its armament is way more than what I could get out of a Brawler. Besides, if you’re cheeky, you can get some weird resupply spots or even land near a convoy and get right back to the fight far faster than limping back in a Brawler or taking off back from a Brawler

I treat the Brawler as a AGM truck anyways with rockets as a bonus, but I find my survivability in a Chicane is far more than that of me flying the Brawler

just a me thing tho, I love the F-16M mod equally because its my favourite jet and its what made me fall in love with the Revoker in the first place

[hidden herald]

took a short break from this game, tf happened since

looks like im going to need to catch up on some drama

[wide whale]

Cool modded makes cheap effective scouting helicopter, people complain it's overpowered and it's nerfed to dead, creator goes no contact and leaves because they're tired of everyone saying their stuff is overpowered

All you really gotta know

It's a shame

[hidden herald]

looking through a reddit thread about the heli rn, why does it seem that the people in that reddit have a slight disdain for mods?

[serene python]

Because redditors aren't capable of enjoyment as they are not human.

[wide whale]

There's a reddit thread? I thought reddit was just a joke, but I guess it really is that low.

[ripe otter]

this is fine

(It actually still flew perfectly and I landed)

I love this thing so much

[wide whale]

he turned into a taru...

[dreamy light]

so many arma aircraft that would be so cool in this game

[raw goblet]

One day someone will make them into the game, one day.

Arma Aircraft would fit perfectly in the game

[wide jasper]

Where is the fuel tank in this?

[ripe otter]

Fuel tank? My friend, this heli was being fueled only by sheer spite.

[wary flume]

Depressing hearing aryx quit, is it permanant?

[gentle siren]

no

she just came back

WE ARE SO BACK

[wary flume]

[gloomy birch]

So sad to hear that Aryx joined the war on terrorism, on the side of war. 😔

[buoyant minnow]

Might be limited to her server tho, but we'll see

So damn thrilled to see the announcement

[gloomy birch]

Fly high!!! 👟👟👟👟

True.

[ripe otter]

Hell yeah Aryx is back 🔥

I won't even be mad if she'd keep away from here

or from reddit

[wide whale]

would probably be best to stay off reddit if they're the entire source of the problem

[crimson forum]

they are not entirely source of the problem

aryx isn't even on reddit

people came to shipyard discord and complained

[autumn musk]

Even on a YouTube video with the nerfed version of the knockout

Aryx and the video uploader corrected that person in the replies but Jesus Christ 🥀

It's the 2070-2080s mf

The Chicane is way faster than it has any right to be by modern standards but it's the 2080s

The Ibis by the same token has pretty nutty RCS values for not even being a stealth aircraft

So why is payload suddenly an issue 💔

I'm convinced people do not actually use the Cricket

[crimson forum]

Assuming they actually play the game

There was a random guy on shipyard who suggested a lot but didn't even actually have or played NucOp

[buoyant minnow]

Where tf is this, which video

[autumn musk]

https://youtu.be/HKQxW_p3ebU

yes, it is that one

[gentle siren]

he's just a hater

people just hate to hate

how can one hate the fs-3, f-16, and the knockout

[serene python]

Beat them with bricks.

[buoyant minnow]

I am seriously not proud of my vocabulary right now lmao

[gentle siren]

i saw you type, give up, and type again lol😭

[serene python]

I mean I would have typed worse but I have been filtered too many times here :3

Gotta behave :3

[buoyant minnow]

I'm not saying that shit here :v

[zenith umbra]

Disgusting they better take that serperior pfp off rn that pokemon is too good for them

[crimson forum]

what are 32 missiles on original knockout

at-145?

[hollow dragon]

32 145s

84 lynchpins but realistically 63 since you'll probably bring a jammer in most cases

[crimson forum]

OH MY GOD IT HAS 32 JAVELINS WITH GRAND TOTAL RANGE OF 5 KILOMETERS (nice weather, no wind, mercury is not in retrograde)

[hollow dragon]

32 reallllly shitttttty missileeeeeeees

[crimson forum]

smh smh

balance is shaking

[next dock]

The real question is why are they disrespecting the cricket so much. The cricket is so good for rank 0

[hollow dragon]

[raw goblet]

Because they clearly have never ever played the game.

Or if they do, there's something seriously wrong with them might be a full time war thunder player to explain it, wouldn't know only shows signs.

[hollow dragon]

as much shit as i give the cricket 14 agms and a jammer is pretty damn good for being literally free

[vocal glade]

I like the cricket with a flare pod to edge linebreakers

[autumn musk]

you're forgetting something pretty damn important

that 20mm ventral turret is on its own hardpoint

[hollow dragon]

the ball

[autumn musk]

yeah

[hollow dragon]

I don't really care about it sooooooo

[autumn musk]

so called incoming missile when I 20mm it

[hollow dragon]

you can bully people who overshoot you with it

[crimson forum]

this, probably

tourists, larpers, whatever

[raw goblet]

Like I played the Knockout, it's flimsy, the missiles rarely ever hit their target unless you're really close and that's to be honest, the danger zone anyhow you'll be hit even if you're evasive done tons of flights in my persona escalation I'd say it's balanced.

It's fine

Like

Nothing wrong with it I love it

So yeah that person just irks me

[hollow dragon]

When i'm a knockout and my opponent is a single 20mm

[raw goblet]

lol yeah

[hollow dragon]

12.7 even

[raw goblet]

Then you start oscilating like crazy.

https://tenor.com/view/where-are-you-where-you-at-gif-16896259441575886697

I find that funny but I always auto eject anyway since it's definitely motion sickening , with any helo really

[hollow dragon]

it errrrrrrr

sure ok

Give me the knockout shaker shake that knockout

[raw goblet]

Could say it's going for a workout

[fallen epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/peralnq-gif-27614120

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-star-wars-fix-hair-gif-13964376

[zenith umbra]

The sarh as soon as you're about to land is honestly icing on the cake

[spice bear]

Looks like some changes are coming. 😄

FTR: Aryx wrote the poll, so hold your horses on the naughty wording.

[raw goblet]

I voted too nerfed, the wording on the third was uh too harsh I feel lol

[hollow dragon]

air defense will stop at nothing to kill you

[zenith umbra]

True

I hate when I'm out of ammo, and flares and all I have left is my dignity and THOSE DAMN SARHS AND ARHS TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME

[long dove]

Aryx should just make what she wants to make. I'd rather a modder love what they do in the long term than quibble about balance

I'm thrilled with the beautiful work Aryx does!

[vocal glade]

Dawg

The thing is that I loose the locks fast on the thing fast

But then that inertial guidance got hands

I guess it's like that cause of the relative low speed making the missile have a better chance of hitting the target with the inertial

As other craft get out of the way with little movement in comparison

Basically move immediately after loosing lock

[autumn musk]

yeah all I can say is

even getting engaged by opticals can be a bit scary in the Knockout

let alone radar guided missiles

[vocal glade]

I mean I think the agility is even better than before

So getting in the notch is very easy and the ECM usually blinds the missile fast

I say I feel the flare attrition more as the IRs are what will you face more

Guess that's the rank zero curse as that exact thing happens to me on the cricket

[bronze canopy]

does anyone else have a really wobbly knockout?

mine kind of shakes a lot when flying near top speed

[spice bear]

Oh yes... 1.0.0 Knockout coming back.

[vocal glade]

The linebreaker seeing 200 hundred lynchpins approaching at 2 kms

[scarlet gust]

Is Aryx’s Discord still accepting new members? Every link I’ve found was expired

[copper anvil]

i hope this means she's feeling better 🙂

[spice bear]

Scheduled outage I'm told.

[lucid basin]

Gimme back my lynchpins. I want my 84 lynchpins.

:v

[lucid basin]

ok but 6 designator channels is goated though

[autumn musk]

If your primary is lynchpins?

I'd understand for Kingpins, but the Knockout carries a comparatively scant amount for being a helicopter counterpart to the Cricket

[radiant juniper]

I like my lasers.

More lasers and more lynchpins

Even if it carries less than the Cricket, being able to hide and be able to be more tact with my performance just to dump rockets is imo good fun as hells

[fervent ermine]

make lynchpins optical again

[autumn musk]

[lucid basin]

honestly i’d love a mod or a vanilla update that add a ccip reticle for unlased rockets

bonus points for making it look like an I bar

[lucid basin]

@plain solstice

[glad tusk]

ai keep snapping their blades off when they fly knockouts

[wide whale]

i've noticed that too, they "crash"

silly though

[serene python]

Tbf I've said for a while if you watch the AI carefully, especially without a player spawned, every 1/10 bots spawns drunk no matter the vehicle.

[glad tusk]

i know that lazy ground units loitering outside of depots is caused by them targeting an enemy unit they cant possibly drive to

[rose oxide]

I've seen the AI waste 3 good VL-49s for the sake of absolutely nothing

[serene python]

I've seen the ai land and then just very slowly taxi into the ocean for fun

[glad tusk]

just tested the update and ai are still dying constantly

[viscid token]

i’ve been trying to use AT-145’s. they don’t seem to track. any explanation on how to use them?

[next dock]

do you happen to have QoL installed?

cause QoL breaks AT-145's and you need a third party mod to fix it

[fervent ermine]

@viscid token

[viscid token]

@fervent ermine thanks guys that’s probably the issue

[obsidian oxide]

issue is explained in that thread, but basically they only have like 1 second of fuel in QOL.

so they have no ability to maneuver to face their target unless you have it on the bore, and even then not always.

[distant gate]

A suspension unit with 4 irm-s1s and a supersonic ATGM like a Vikhr or Ataka rocket with laser guidance and a non-contact fuse for hitting slow air targets, dreams of dreams ...) Such weapons will suit almost any subsonic aircraft.

[serene python]

God please never let me think of the utter BS the Vikhr caused in WT again...

[round pier]

kingpin is analog of vikhr btw

[raw goblet]

I've noticed AI in Knockouts don't know how to land, they just indefinitely hover in place until they A, run out of ammo or B, get shot down by anything.

I wonder if this is known? If not I'm letting it be known for future reference to be helpful. But I've now seen one just land, so it might just need retuning of some kind.

[crimson forum]

pretty sure it's vanilla issue too

[raw goblet]

Ah.

[next dock]

They don't have single control surface aura.

[fallen epoch]

AI does a lot of funky things, if you watch it fly a Darkreach it just tilts it from side to side constantly

https://tenor.com/view/shake-fox-violent-fast-gif-731791315150094884

Live footage of the inside of an AI-controlled Darkreach cockpit

[raw goblet]

I suppose Ai just does ai things lol

Wish it were smarter so it'd be fun to watch after having watched it too long now

[delicate lynx]

my ai just like to have parkinsons

[distant gate]

The Kingpin is an analog of the Zuni unguided rocket with the addition of laser guidance (it cannot shoot down a helicopter in the air- it lacks maneuverability, and it is unclear whether there is a non-contact fuse or only a self-destruct device). They have similar range and speed (the Zuni is even slightly faster at its peak), but the Vikhr has a longer accelerator life and the function of hitting low-speed air targets (I would say that the AGM-48 is the Vikhr analog in the game, but it is slower and should cost more because of the let-forget system). Vikhr could be a cheaper and faster-flying alternative to the AGM-48, but at the same time forcing the pilot to take risks by aiming the missile at the target with a laser. In addition, such a missile can have greater direct hit damage or breakdown in the game, as an imitation of a tandem cumulative warhead.

[lucid basin]

it can’t shoot down a helicopter in the air

It absolutely can with a bit of luck.

it’s a bit of a desperation move, though

[raw goblet]

I've been able to shoot down helicopters with lynchpins and kingpins it's absolutely possible.

[wide whale]

I did it last night, as long as the AI is very slow and they won't move

[raw goblet]

And players too, AI did it to me before sometime over my play time on the game

[lethal geode]

I have seen AI doing this against Taras and Chicanes

[calm timber]

Aryx is actually working on a weapons mod that adds a proper Vikhr stand-in

[wooden lava]

owo??

[distant gate]

++++++++++++++)))

[verbal obsidian]

So easy and satisfying

[distant gate]

Any moving target can be hit - if it stays in place relative to the attacker))))

[whole sigil]

Hitting targets with lynch or kingpins is all about its sideways velocity to you. You can hit supersonic fighters if they are trying to gun you

[distant gate]

When trying to hit a jet plane head-on, the Kingpin often flies by- there is no non-contact fuse in such a case, although it does not need it (not its core task). It's just good to have different types of missiles with their own additional features (without making them "clones" of each other)

[next creek]

Does the upper rotor radar actually working, or is it purely cosmetic at this moment?

[distant gate]

This is a radio intelligence station (determines the location of radar stations), in theory)

[obsidian oxide]

yeah, it’s meant to be a passive radar.

it can accurately pinpoint radar signals that hit it

[lofty goblet]

It also is quazi-simulated by the help having such a good optical tracking system. Iirc the game doesn't currently have a way for radar to spot tank size targets, so it has this and a stupid good optical scanner, but it doesn't emit radar to be counter detected unfortunately.

[lethal geode]

It will mark enemy radars which illuminated you once on Datalink the same way Medusa does.

This means every ship ship which has radar (nearly all of them) gets detected on enormous distances.

[serene python]

I mean compared to real life optical systems we're kinda lucky that they didn't end up even more advanced by the alleged year'2082'

[long plaza]

passive radar that locates surface radars

really good for spotting ships early game

[copper anvil]

Aryx is back! I hope you're doing ok

[quasi wind]

have you tried using in on terminal control at mid? it was the most fun i had in a while

was blasting xcom 2 legacy ost Intercept while using that

[obsidian oxide]

sensors are a crazy concept

you can look, or you can wait to see who's looking and know where they are based on that

[raw goblet]

Cultured.