[0.33] KAR-BOTE Combined Arms

[charred barn]

Kramenkan Armored Reinforcements (KAR)

A comprehensive ground vehicles mod for Nuclear Option.

Features

• Player-controllable vehicles, including the LCV-25, LCV-45, AFV8, Type-12, Spearhead, MSV, and Hexhound UGV.
• Fantastic variety of vanilla and custom weapon systems and turrets to complement ground vehicles, including large cannons, rocket launchers, radar missiles, lasers, active-protection systems, and much more.
• Realistic physics with suspension and wheel simulation, along with engine and gears simulation.
• Deployable FOB's for spawnpoints closer to the action
• modular weapons system to customise your vehicles arsenal

Requirements

• BepInEx 5 win x64 https://github.com/BepInEx/BepInEx
  Bepinex install instructions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16aRWcrkt89YEn9_THwe9Fxo7AYPLE9SYSab_Y929dvE
• Blueprinter https://github.com/nikkorap/NOBlueprinter-Releases/releases/latest
  [MP compatibility] all players must have the mod installed.
• Download https://github.com/nikkorap/NOBlueprinter-kar/releases/latest

some controls of note

• Pitch/throttle controls == throttle
• roll/yaw == steering
• stability assist == automatic gear shifter
• arrow up / down (configurable) == change gears
• F8 (configurable) == camera stabilizer

[austere socket]

Boscali Ocean Training Exercise (BOTE)

A comprehensive surface vessels mod for Nuclear Option.

Features

• Player controllable ships, including the OTB-31 Landing Craft, Shard Class Corvette, Dynamo Class Destroyer, and Hyperion Class Fleet Carrier.
• Base-building and FOB creation system usable by Landing Craft players, as well as the deployment of vehicles and aircraft from ships that support them.
  • Custom bindings are availible at the bottom of the controls menu. When spawning a landing craft, a new Cargo Options button will appear. This will also appear for any units capable of unit deployment. Use the bindings to select and deploy units and the FOB. When deploying a FOB, an interface will appear. Use WASD to move camera like normal, place units with left click, remove with right click. Place an airbase center if you want the FOB to act as an airbase for players or AI. Airbase vehicle depot can spawn vehicles added by kramenka armored reinforcements
• Large selection of both vanilla and custom weapons and missiles to mount on ships, including a variety of guns, lasers, and really explosive things.
• Fully immersive seafaring experience with realistic water physics, damage control, and flooding mechanics.

https://github.com/MinecrackTyler/BoscaliOceanTrainingExercise/releases/latest

[cinder trail]

https://youtu.be/CyDa3mft7io

[untold haven]

https://youtu.be/Q1G5CacFSm4

[slender geode]

based

[verbal zodiac]

Go my chud sons

[strange spade]

Great release!!

[glossy juniper]

I frankly cannot believe that you have developed War Option.

[cinder trail]

@golden kayak btw we're so sorry

[glad imp]

Since War thunder ripped off NO and called their April fools Nuclear Thunder, we should call this War Option

[bold fjord]

Finally
WT but better

[flint swan]

That's it get trans flag react

[kind crow]

great release

[slow gulch]

Please forgive the ask, but I wonder if it’s possible to get AI ground units to follow you - It’d be ideal for moving as an APC or tank squad.Just curious though, I imagine that’s quite difficult

Absolutely incredible mod regardless

[dreamy pebble]

I downloaded this and played just a few minutes and I'm immediately coming back to say that. Oh my god. Oh my god this mod.
This is peak. Its so peak.

[glad imp]

You could always use the map to give a convoy a set path then follow them to the marker

[leaden hawk]

I didn't realize this was real

[red isle]

[vestal haven]

we got nuclear option in war thunder and war thunder in nuclear option in the same day

[stark dust]

Has to he the funniest coincidence

[vestal haven]

WT - we have Nuclear Option at home
NO - we have War Thunder at home

[south moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1303878246810517566/1489013461827715182/drivinginmykar.gif

[golden kayak]

good mod

[frail steeple]

oh mein gott

peak

better than wt

[sour cairn]

peak innovation

[craggy aspen]

#1471205244548550761 message

i made steering wheel ffb for kar
there may be bugs and i cant work on it until next week

but try it if you like to live dangerously

[golden kayak]

But how did you do it?

That's fascinating.

[patent elk]

wait i can be a stratolance now

lmfao

[vestal haven]

That one suicide bomb truck from ICBM: Escalation

Now we wait a theme music to all vehicles, like aircrafts have

[opal lotus]

dudes droppped absolute peak on a fools day

[uncut mortar]

anyone else has the issue that some loudouts (like the 57mm gun on the 8x8 APC) are too overweight to spawn-- even with 5% fuel?
Though, to be fair, I am also using mods like qol so idk if it messes it up

[charred barn]

If anyone does make a theme then I'll add it to the vehicle of their choice, quality not required. First come first serve

[charred barn]

Might not play well with other mods, it's barely functional by itself lol

[uncut mortar]

true true, ima disable some stuff and see

[uncut mortar]

turrets also happen to clip into vehicles a fair bit

[charred barn]

Could you send a screenshot?

[nocturne crypt]

Is this April fools or real bro

Cause this looks sick

[uncut mortar]

yup, just gimme like 2 minutes

[vestal haven]

Real

[charred barn]

Totally fake, try for yourself

[uncut mortar]

so, whilst disabling my other mods did fix the clipping issue, I still run into fun stuff like this

(spearhead MBT also cannot load it's missiles + extras with the 130mm turret, otherwise it's overweight

[bold fjord]

I love this mod already
tho I wish afv8 wheels could be moved a little bit outside, because it is quite easily can be flipped

[charred barn]

I don't get it🤔

[uncut mortar]

10 tons overweight?

[charred barn]

Oh the mass is just a suggestion

[uncut mortar]

you can spawn overweight vehicles?

[charred barn]

Ye

[uncut mortar]

how???

[charred barn]

Even planes

[bold fjord]

also I wonder, are more vehicles coming ?

[charred barn]

Bru we basically doubled the playable vehicle count, what more vehicles

[uncut mortar]

like, is there some setting or smth?

[charred barn]

Just spawn like you normally do, the overweight doesnt do anything

[uncut mortar]

bro I am so restarted

okay nvm, I did not think that would be possible 💀

[bold fjord]

Annex, afv6 and hlt series

[charred barn]

I didn't really bother setting the max weight of the kars, so you can ignore that

[charred barn]

Maybe in the future

[uncut mortar]

alrighty

well, my thanks

[zealous mauve]

Can we fire weapons or not?

[charred barn]

It ain't a weapon if you can't fire it

[sage rune]

this is peak

theres nothing wrong with it, its just perfect

[charred barn]

Force feedback!!!

[zealous mauve]

Holy shit

I thought the vehicle mod didn't let you fire anything

Awesome

[sage rune]

thats a different one

[zealous mauve]

Ah

[sage rune]

the other one lets you target while the ai launches at will

[charred barn]

This is KAR, not boscali truck sim

[sage rune]

Where am i supposed to spawn the carrier?

can find anything that can launch it

[charred barn]

Place a dock in the mission editor

[sage rune]

ah

[real crystal]

the ammo bunkers make for great ramps

[kind crow]

so when do we get a mad max style racecourse?

[bright falcon]

OK, so.

Holy cow.

My one complaint would be that everything I've driven so far is enormously hotrodded, which makes controlling the Hexhound at speed difficult.

[charred barn]

Ye the hexhound was a last day addition so it turned out to be an extreme gremlin

Stuff got way buffed compared to base units to be playable

[bright falcon]

I just want you to know: letting the nuke keep the 8 second timer was diabolical.

[left hinge]

honestly this would be a sick addition to vanilla

[upbeat notch]

uhm

sometimes

if you eject or get hit by a missile

it messes up my screen so bad

like the game

[left hinge]

i mean yeah its still a mod for a game that doesn't have full support for mods

[upbeat notch]

it moves everything around and i do not know a way to fix it

[left hinge]

and a very ambitious one at that

[upbeat notch]

ive never experienced that lol

not like to the point where you cant click buttons

[left hinge]

what

[upbeat notch]

I cant click buttons, and the screen moves UI in random places

i had to literally alt f4 out bro

[left hinge]

damn

[upbeat notch]

Oh also, the 152m on the spearhead is messed up

[left hinge]

are you sure you didn't install it incorrectly

i can eject just fine and the 152mm also looks fine on the spearhead for me

[upbeat notch]

i can redo it

[charred barn]

Might be some other mods?

[upbeat notch]

im reinstalling rq

[upbeat notch]

thats probably true

i have QOL on

it might be that

[left hinge]

where do you spawn ships though

[upbeat notch]

on other ships

[left hinge]

ah

makes sense

[upbeat notch]

i think you can spawn them on destroyers?

or carriers?

Im pretty sure you can spawn all on carriers

yea i think its QOL

[sacred cradle]

Close enough, welcome back Big Red

[upbeat notch]

sorry guys]

[left hinge]

yea i don't see any boats on any ships

oh the ships are part of a different mod lol

[cinder trail]

a great success

[plain meteor]

Those "BDF vehicles in every alleyway" missions are actually fun with this

[cinder trail]

for those worried, KAR and BOTE are here to stay

the best joke is one with full comittal :)

[charred barn]

turns out this is incompatible with liverymanager, so beware

[sand hatch]

things like this always remind me that humans are freaking amazing

[plain meteor]

Man the 76mm turret on the AFV8 looks so legit, but the reload time between bursts is BRUTAL

[cinder trail]

we found the 76 on the AFV8 was really powerful

so we gave it that nerf

[charred barn]

Model is made by offiry

Ye the 76 was downright oppressive lmao

[vocal shore]

why LCAC is not moving at all?

[sage rune]

Which one is that?

[plain meteor]

The fans work like on the Ibis

[sage rune]

It’s like the ibis

Yeah

[vocal shore]

A

thank you!

[strong dragon]

FUUCK

FUUUCKKK

got to it before i have

[burnt cloud]

There are some issues where I can’t select mutually exclusive loadout options on vehicles even with everything removed

For example on the spearhead I can’t get subturret even with no coax or launchers

[charred barn]

the spearhead turret doesnt have a spot for a subturret to go to

its intended although not well communicated

[half timber]

Just so yall know i prayed for days like this

Does this work vanilla?

Can i just spawn in as a tank on a vanilla server cuz i wanna do it

[glossy juniper]

You need bepinx and blueprinter

[cinder trail]

why would you ask if this mod lets you cheat?

[glossy juniper]

You cant use the mod if the server owner isnt running the mod

[cinder trail]

no, we're distinctly against cheating

[half timber]

Cheat?

Wdym

I am asking if i can use ground units or naval when orher poeple dont have the mod

[glossy juniper]

No

[cinder trail]

you can't, even if you could, that'd be cheating

cheating is bad

[half timber]

Okay but if i (the server owner) have the mods can others play normally while i can play naval or ground?

[glossy juniper]

Others will also need to download the mod in order to join

[half timber]

Does this mod just change build number like qol

Oh okay so custom build number

Still i am so hyped because last time it was spectating and changing directions and it was boring

This mod is so awesome

Can we please use carriers too in the future

I wanna be able to use any ground or any naval

[plain meteor]

How do I uhh, reverse

[stark dust]

They werent ready yet

[half timber]

SO WE GET THEM LATER?!

YESSSS

This is a forever thing that will be updated in 0.33 too right

[half timber]

Will this mod ever get interiors?

For both ground and naval

This is prolly the best mod ever released so far

Im proud of you guys

[stark dust]

[half timber]

Lmao

İts amazing as it is

Just let us use all ground and naval units

[tepid lynx]

offroading is so fun

[half timber]

I just wanna do naval soo bad

[tepid lynx]

so uhhhhh

can u do anything if ur msv flipped to its side or

[cinder trail]

outside of someone shunting you back over, no

[plain meteor]

Just put a sabot through a Chicane's windshield at 4km 🙂

[cinder trail]

fun ain't it

I like cutting off their tails

[night surge]

Will Bote eventually let us play with the Annex as well? (And the coming LFD hull when it drops)

[cinder trail]

Annex iirc is being considered

LFD i'm not sure about

we'd prolly sooner get the frigate than LFD

[stark dust]

Tyler seems more inclined to really make each boat have some unique mechanic or special weapon of sorts behind it

[hearty badge]

Just to save Nikko and Tyler; Any and all balancing + vehicle performance tuning complaints are to be directed towards me.

I'm the madman responsible for the driving experience and most weapon loadouts.

[icy grotto]

Carrier Command 3

[night surge]

I love the pop out missile launchers for the Hyperion you can spawn as

(Bigger question, will there be compatibility with QoL down the line?)

[burnt cloud]

That’s weird, it worked for me before. Maybe I misremembered

[icy grotto]

Does BOTE include dual mode SAM right now? Like literally every single ship SAM system could be guided on other ships within line of sight

[hearty badge]

I could not resist giving it "aircraft carrying cruiser" vibes.

[night surge]

Skiramps do give that sorta vipe on a ship of its shape

[hearty badge]

Originally I designed it with 4x76mm

It obliterated the whole map

[night surge]

Kek

That would do it

[hearty badge]

So we got down to only 2x76mm

[hoary bear]

Carrier command 3: Evil-ass gameplay edition

[night surge]

And enough missiles to blot out the sun

[hearty badge]

We MIGHT actually get Carrier Command mode down the line.

[night surge]

The Device and LCV25 akbar options are funny, if abit hard to use given how squirrely the two vecs are

[hearty badge]

Right now PD is underperforming on player ships, we are looking into it.

If they can't be fixed, we will reduce the CM count on the ships. Give them 68s and some 99s instead.

[hearty badge]

I swear the UGV was NOT that crazy last I tuned it.
But rn it is EV supercar levels of insane. (With none of the stability)

[night surge]

Didn't notice that much of a problem with PD on player hulls

[hoary bear]

As it stands, there's 1000% more gameplay than both cc and cc2 combined, so having anything similar to that would eat up cc2 for lunch

[hearty badge]

The auto gunner does not timefuse correctly, and has poor aiming relative to NPC hulls.

[icy grotto]

wait ships had CM?

[hearty badge]

If we can get player to AI ownership transfer in the game, CC3 is only a short way away.

[night surge]

Though I do mainly run laser PD with flak over CIWS knowing how funky aiming can be and how poor CIWS type weapons get when engaging something not flying directly at them

[icy grotto]

Like chaff?

[hearty badge]

Cruise Missiles

[icy grotto]

oh those CM

[hearty badge]

But we tried Smoke generators too

[hoary bear]

Carrier command 3: you have something to do edition

[hearty badge]

Can't promise they'll be in though, depends on the (physics) engine.

[icy grotto]

Shipborne jammers might work

[hearty badge]

We have those already

[night surge]

Jammer don't help when most of your threats are optical tho

[hoary bear]

1000 years of jamming must happen

[icy grotto]

well ideally they should be coupled with chaff but whatever

[hearty badge]

Also a dazzler+gps jammer may be a thing in the future for missile tracking suspension.

No promises though

[icy grotto]

99 should be ARH realistically

[hoary bear]

Hold on. You want chaff on ships

[icy grotto]

Ships tend to have it y'know

Most anti-ships missiles were defeated by softkill

[hearty badge]

Hardkill is unreliable at best IRL.

[night surge]

I will say the shards special weapons slot is very funny

[hearty badge]

Soft-kill has been the historical escape

[cinder trail]

chaff is extremely effective when the defending party is barely moving and you rely on radar returns

[icy grotto]

and it has deceptive jamming as well

[hoary bear]

Metal shaving dispensers to disrupt the radar lock

[hearty badge]

Also, pro tip:
Do not underestimate a shard with S3s on the VLS.

It is immune to Missiles due to the 5-6 missiles per second it belches out.

It also drains aircraft of all flares due to the massive mag depth.

Dynamo and Hyperion did not receive S3s, instead opting for Scythes for similar fire-rate, but at the expense of higher operating cost.

[opal lotus]

Will we get the ability to make liveries for ground units?

I basically yearn to make shard into a camo slop

[flint swan]

Easier said than done. I've asked the same

I heard it might be worked on but it's not a present issue

[undone dust]

this IS boscali truck simulator 🗣️

[opal lotus]

Uhuh, you wanna beat everyone to make the first livery with blahaj ik

[flint swan]

Yes :3

But yeah it's not possible to make a livery for it as of yet

[half timber]

Please let us use any ground or naval unit 🙏

Also actuallly, what if yall let us have custom liveries for ground and naval when in use

[craggy aspen]

this is boscali truk simulator 3

[sharp prism]

bro its day 2 calm down

[upbeat notch]

Reall

[upbeat notch]

I wish you could control the vehicles you launch if you wanted

Like Helis on ships and when you drop vehicles off of other vehicles

Like GEV’s

But it’s literally day 2 and I don’t think that’s possible

[frail steeple]

how do i do the Deployable FOB's for spawnpoints closer to the action

[raw tide]

wait which on is the real mod?

im dumb

[cinder trail]

for KAR, simply put down the preferred spawn point on an MSV and drive there

for BOTE, grab the LCAC, select the FOB cargo item, drive somewhere, then switch from your vehicle deployment mode to FOB mode and start building

[frail steeple]

oh i see ty

[cinder trail]

also @novel rune I'm really happy that you like what the science team has done over in 2082, they've come up with some pretty creative solutions for the problems Shockfront has encountered with ground vehicle play

[hearty badge]

Liveries for ground units are a possibility, but naval units use something known as vertex painting, which is significantly more difficult to change because it is baked into the model.

[hearty badge]

Don't worry, we'll get there eventually.

[hearty badge]

This is one of the greater technical challenges we're facing. Either controlling them by giving them more specific orders or by actually switching your viewpoint and driving the spawned vehicles.

It's not impossible, but it is going to take some more black magic to achieve.

[charred barn]

The controllable vehicles and vanilla AI vehicles are only similar on the surface level, i don't think AI will be able to use kar/bote any time soon

[raw tide]

does this mod work with other mods or not

[kind crow]

Someone should start a server with a maze like map and just restrict all aircraft like that one tank Wii sports game

[hearty badge]

IIRC it is incompatible with NOTT and QoL.

[novel rune]

We have not encountered issues, it's just that we don't consider that vehicle gameplay is interesting enough to allocate resources to it, taking from aircraft gameplay which is the core of the game.

[raw tide]

ok

[novel rune]

For instance, this is cool, but may be considered 'feature creep' to implement so early in development, as the volume of things to maintain with each new update would bloat exponentially.

[cinder trail]

ahh I see I see

we recently did a combined arms match in the 2082 server and it was actually pretty fun

for the most part I was sitting in a dynamo with the twin 76 main gun shelling things and intercepting aircraft that tried to pose a threat elsewhere

[kind crow]

I can only imagine what will be made with genuine modding tools I know we are a long way away but still a nice thought

[cinder trail]

meanwhile the aircraft were dealing with threats that I could disable and such

couldn't*

[charred barn]

The secret to make the gameplay tolerable was to buff the ground vehicles to hero-unit levels

[novel rune]

We'll see what future brings, as we have infantry, swing wings and not-A-10, which were big no-no not so long ago 😅

[charred barn]

Not balanced at all haha

[cinder trail]

yeah you can get the Type-12 going 100kt on a decline

[blazing dagger]

its not too bad

[cinder trail]

not realistic at all

however insanely fun

[novel rune]

That's the issue : balance...

[blazing dagger]

it is 2082 afterall

[kind crow]

Controllable infantry when?

Jk

[blazing dagger]

next year

[hearty badge]

Yeah, they are actually not THAT overpowered.
The exceptions are the lasers and the engine power.

[blazing dagger]

well and that they all carry insane amounts of munitions

[charred barn]

Mods don't need to worry about things like balance or stability😅

[cinder trail]

chat when are the YouTubers gonna see this and go nuts

[kind crow]

Me with stability issues in basically every mod

[charred barn]

Ugv with the device™ going at Mach 2

[hearty badge]

We specifically balanced the vehicles with a significant degree of autonomy especially so they won't require an MSV with ammo every 5 minutes.

[cinder trail]

the botes are actually worse with ammo sometimes than the kars

I should try a Terminal Control match as the botes

[half timber]

I am so happy this mod exists

This ahould be vanilla a billion percent

[hearty badge]

Yeah, I will have to retune the last min additions

[half timber]

Can we qol stuff too

Does this mod go good with qol

[charred barn]

Eh no rush, we can take a break for a couple weeks/months/years

[hearty badge]

The botes suffer from the extremely sad Cruise Missile mechanics

[hearty badge]

Yeah, we should definitely take about 1-2 weeks break.

[opal lotus]

from my pov the easiest thing would be to just slap another texture layer on it and call it a day tho im thinking that wouldn't be really possible

balance? all CIWS loadout on a Dynamo begs to differ

[charred barn]

Ah yes, the loadout that primarily attacks the players framerate

[hearty badge]

I really wish that the botes would feel like the warships in Nebulous.

Impervious to any number of missiles unless softened up first with stuff they can theoretically dodge, but cannot intercept, or if they are caught off guard.

[hearty badge]

When used by the player it is decent, when used by the auto gunner it does not even time fuse correctly rn.

[opal lotus]

it does a good joob of intercepting for me

[cinder trail]

yeah the AI logic isn't very good rn

[hearty badge]

I was 🤏 close to removing the 20 and 30mm on the botes, but they are too iconic on the Dynamo and Shard.

[cinder trail]

it'll eventually get fixed

[hearty badge]

Have you had to defend 240 AShM 300s at the same time?

[charred barn]

It looks glorious tho, the frame sacrifice is worth it

[opal lotus]

yeah no i dont think anything will thug this out

i might say it would be nice if someone explained how those work

[hearty badge]

You have new hotkeys in the menu

[cinder trail]

I'll throw together a "how to use" guide in a bit

I just need liquids in my system first

[opal lotus]

ah, i was thinking it would be at least in the F1 menu

[cinder trail]

after I've written it up I'll post it here and ask OP for a pin

[opal lotus]

that's a step up for sure

[hearty badge]

Tyler did the heavy lifting

10/10 job from both Nikkorap and Tyler

I was just the Yappinator 9000

Making schematics in Krita for balance, and driving around Agropol like mad to tune the Kars

[opal lotus]

and that system with loading units in
just begs to be paired with some heavy lifter wink wink

ah, it appears that chicanes who spawn themself become damaged everytime

[cinder trail]

known, you cannot spawn vehicles while at flank speed

[raw tide]

how do you even get mod to work wtf

[cinder trail]

slow to three quarters or half

if in multiplayer, you need to come to full stop

[flint swan]

ooh thats a good bug to catch

[half timber]

Does this work with qol

Does it like add extra stuff

[flint swan]

yep!

[cinder trail]

no actually

[flint swan]

works fine

[cinder trail]

QoL is incompatible

it breaks a buncha stuff

[half timber]

Duality

[cinder trail]

turrets don't work right in KAR

[half timber]

So better vanilla?

[flint swan]

I mean it still technically is usable

[flint swan]

yesh

by a lot

[cinder trail]

anyways time to get to writing the explanatory piece

[half timber]

Does naval let you spawn aircrafts or

Do they just do that by themselves

[opal lotus]

both

[half timber]

Awesome

[opal lotus]

but the chicane i spawn from my loadout is fine

[half timber]

This is so far THE BEST mod ever

[cinder trail]

you got lucky then

but really

DO NOT spawn things at flank speed if you can avoid it

[half timber]

Whats a flank speed

You mean like with naval

?

[hearty badge]

Flank speed means speed you get when throttle is at 100%

[opal lotus]

im kinda sad that FOB builder is accessible only through the naval path tbh

[hearty badge]

1/3rd and other such fractions refer to the speed you get when the throttle is set that high

[opal lotus]

even though it makes complete sense

[hearty badge]

But then again, who wouldn't want to cruise around in the OTB?
It's a mini land battleship!

[plain meteor]

How 2 reverse?

[hearty badge]

In what?

[opal lotus]

true

[hearty badge]

The OTB is basically an RTS commander.

Like supreme commander or Planetary Annihilation

[hearty badge]

In most vehicles you press pitch up.

Throttle works like cruise control.

In OTB you use Custom axis 1.

[opal lotus]

wait is it supossed to go 10km\h?

i feel like something is wrong

..........nvm im a dumbass

Custom axis 1 was the answer

this cockpit is so sick

[hearty badge]

All ships were supposed to have that, but OTB is the only one that had an easy fix for it.

I wanted to remove it at some point because it affected visibility and lacked parity with the others, but we never did.

Also, the beginning of Bote looked like this.

Well, OTB was first iirc but I can't find the Schematic

[opal lotus]

it was really a great choice imho
while it does impair visibility it adds immersion to it

[hearty badge]

Yeah, I grew to like it with time 🙂

[raw tide]

how do you guys spawn in ships do i need to add that myslef in sandbox mode or theres a place for them

[hearty badge]

Place Docks in escalation in the mission editor

And any ship can be spawned at a ship bigger than self.

I might make a modified escalation that just has docks near the main bases.

And terminal control as well.

[opal lotus]

giving SPAAG a taste of his own medicine

[real crystal]

you guys could lore justify the stronker kar vehicles through the info cards, suggesting these models use better material technology or fancier internals for power. I'd suggest giving kar vehicles a price bump though

[raw tide]

THX

[hearty badge]

The players are technically speaking spec ops. Because they are already smarter than the NPCs, which would mean better training. So it only makes sense they get better units in general.

[opal lotus]

is isnt even doing anything to him but ts is so funny

....guess what

[charred barn]

Dream big little otb

[hearty badge]

Is the engine performance overtuned to the point where all of them are good racers? Yes. That was so that they'd be fun on launch.

Are they rather overpowered weapon and defense wise? Also yes, for the same reason.

[hearty badge]

He's definitely overshooting the moon with that one

Reaching for the stars it is.

[real crystal]

with enough justification you can walk away with anything

[icy grotto]

Tbf in Neb you can make a missile that 90% of the time goes through in a small salvo unsupported if you try hard enough

[opal lotus]

a little context i got killed by SPAAG and otb decided it wants to be a jet for a small amount of time

[icy grotto]

It would cost you a fortune in DP but you can

Also it might have a bad warhead power

[hearty badge]

Indeed but at some point it just gets boring if something is too powerful.

70kW MSV is sitting at the very edge of that.

Hyperion AHSMs are definitely OVER that line.

[real crystal]

yeah just keep it reasonable and believable

fun mod though. have fun launching mraps off ramps. my appreciation to those involved

[opal lotus]

man i DREAMED about playing as this bad boy

[half timber]

does this work with patch 69

because most mods dont

[real crystal]

yes

[hearty badge]

In the following months we may shift balance.
But it will likely take a while. We are now taking a break from working.

So just vibe it out at 240kmh in the UGV

[real crystal]

u guys could add "radar jammer" that turns any vehicle into stealth and must be eyeballed

would be cool...

[hearty badge]

I think AeroSentry was the dream ground unit of many players.

[real crystal]

would go into aps slot

[charred barn]

Oh the people need to know about the laser post

[hearty badge]

Can it be forwarded?

That would be hilarious

Lemme copy it

[charred barn]

When the initial version of the MSV-LADS was made

[hearty badge]

The LADS has since been nerfed by making it so autogunner takes 5ish seconds to aim for anything.

Also dmg nerf

It's still borderline oppressive

Actually, it's STILL OPPRESSIVE

But you have to play map whack-a-mole with it now

And a bunch of GPOs will ruin you

But the AI never drops more than a pair, so it's busted against them

[charred barn]

It's not oppressive when you have 400ms ping

[hearty badge]

Fair enough 😭

[icy grotto]

Btw does laser have a "cone" of damage in NO?

[charred barn]

Its umm... a laser

[hearty badge]

I think its just a raycast

[icy grotto]

Yes I mean laser is not exactly pointed at a pixel

It has focus distance and such

Because another way to balance would be tracking inaccuracy so it would fail to focus exactly right

[hearty badge]

No, in-game its likely just an infinitely small raycast that updates 30-ish times a second on the target.

[charred barn]

The laser is a perfect beam, but the turret it's mounted on doesn't track perfectly

But it's close

[hearty badge]

In all honesty, the 30kW laser would already be strong enough to kill the optical sensor or at least suspend tracking.
And DL is inaccurate.

[icy grotto]

ig workaround could be casting multiple "lasers" in a cone

[icy grotto]

I wish it didn't just explode things

[hearty badge]

It would have been more interesting if it only killed light munitions, but dazzled larger ones, so allies could evade.

[icy grotto]

Would make things like SACLOS, satellite (I guess datalink in case of NO) actually valuable in game

Can't kill optical sensor if it isn't here

or on the back

[cinder trail]

@charred barn pin please

[cinder trail]

ty

[charred barn]

Yey

[runic mango]

Cant wait to play as HLT

[charred barn]

Ty for the writeup

[cinder trail]

np

[hearty badge]

I would like to see seekers and counters revisited in basegame, especially when it comes to the dreaded CruiseMissiles.

[icy grotto]

Well I liked its UFO killing abilities

[strong dragon]

Is there a time scale mod?

asking because driving over long distances gets Quite

Uninteresting

[cinder trail]

camera tools has a speed selector up to 4x

hold camera switch

[strong dragon]

i see thanks

also god Damn i need more zoom on most ground vehicles

can barely see what im shooting at msot of the time

[icy grotto]

Btw I like the irony of situation

Mitch modded plane into car game

And then playable cars got modded into his plane game

[hearty badge]

"the duality of man"

But boats?
Boats are eternal.

[cinder trail]

if I had a better rig I'd record some clips

[raw tide]

my ships keep sawning on land how do i fix that

[half timber]

i am making a mission called boscali drifters

[paper wagon]

INSANE COOL MOD MIX!
God damn. Awesome!

[stark dust]

Classic atp whiffing bc youre well jnside its min range lol

[icy grotto]

Can't wait for KAR drift montages

also new map highway network would be really nice

[half timber]

Do we have afv6

We need it

[runic mango]

So far my most deaths were not from enemy fire, but impact xD

[glacial flame]

I think I might be stupid, but how you open the door to the Landing craft? Stuffs spawn inside but can't get out. Edit : It's the landing gear button. I tried everything but that one.

[strong dragon]

quite literally would miss the broadside of a barn 😭

[stark dust]

remeber those are made for helicopters haha

i think their min range is like 1nm

[raw tide]

can someone tell me to to deploy troops out of the lav

[hushed inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/mudrunner-fly-crash-hummer-gif-16040834654345536183

[raw tide]

nvm

[paper wagon]

Carrier command 3!
Mission for KAR and BOTE mods. 😇
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3697896228

[runic mango]

how did i died here?...

[night surge]

Ran into the dead body's hit box I think?

[strong dragon]

orrr explosion

[night surge]

Was my other thought, close enough for the blast wave to get a colat

[cinder trail]

not sure

[plain meteor]

As fun as this is, it's partially fun because you get overspeed super units with special abilities. Actually just giving you the same capabilities as NPCs would make this as boring as devs said it would be

When frigate comes out, please let me put a 5 inch gun on every hard point of an Annex.

[primal aurora]

.

[hearty badge]

While I cannot say this with 100% confidence, I do believe that the ground units we have in the game are significantly worse than the aircraft from a real-life technological perspective.

• They lack any sort of data link other than the Hexhound.
• They have access to absolutely garbage missiles.
• Their guns, while competitive, have very poor reaction times.
• They have no countermeasures to speak of.
• Despite existing in an environment which presumably has seen drone warfare and suffers from spam in the form of laser guided rockets and cruise missiles, none of the ground vehicles have any sort of APS system. (The spearhead 20kW is a joke only good vs G2G missiles which are artificially nerfed against it, specifically)

Based on the power of our air force, every single convoy would naturally have a SAM unit capable of belching out ARH constantly, which would be networked to some kind of tiny drone that gives it optical data link capacity. And next to it, there would be a laser + gun-based anti-munitions unit.

Basically every single convoy would present as much of a threat to you as an aircraft, as an Ifrit full of Scythes and Scimitars would.

[real crystal]

I agree, ground units in NO are like ducks in a shooting gallery game

just see the devstream showing the new 500kg cluster bomb

[hearty badge]

It feels like the aircraft are indeed part of 2080, while the tanks and ships are part of 1980.

SARH missiles on the dynamo? Really?

When aircraft have access to 4+ TuskoB, near hypersonic semi-ballistic missiles?

Let the dynamo fire pairs of ARH that flank you from 45+ degree angles so you cannot notch all of them in time.

Just like an Ifrit will stream them while notching you.

[lapis ingot]

wouldn't it be cool if vehicle depots were able to spawn these units?

[half timber]

Its not even their guns

They need more spawns

The ground units

Not just airbases

What if ground units could be spawned in vrhicle depots and their “airbase” color or icon was different

[real crystal]

this is the only thing lacking rn

[hearty badge]

Sadly we'd have to make all depots into airbases, which would really spaghettify things.

Remember, Kars and Botes are just planes with funky physics as far as the game knows.

[half timber]

True

[frosty ruin]

How do I deploy naval FOBs?

[half timber]

I thınk you scroll down in keybinds and find the deploy keybind

[glacial flame]

A long flat makeshift airway 'prop' in the FOB menu would be awesome.

[night sorrel]

Hmm
What if you made a placeholder "aircraft" thats basically a spawner? Think of Tarantula's/Ibis' "Spawn - give birth - eject - repeat" except minus whole aircraft thing? Just a platform, pilot and a vehicle

[hearty badge]

If you want to be able to customize your vehicle, it has to be an airbase.
Otherwise you can only spawn NPCs.

[night sorrel]

Yeah, i mean the npc spawner

Kramenka: Become factory

Sounds good?

[hearty badge]

So you want depots to spawn NPC Kars? As in, the same ones that players can drive around?

[night sorrel]

No, no i mean a something "aircraft" thats normally spawnable from normal airfields to spawn regular NPC units (not player "aircraft" kars)

[hearty badge]

Sadly, the AI has no idea how to drive them.
It treats them like aircraft.
They taxi to the runway, hit full speed, and just go into a straight line until they reach the edge of the map because they think they never got to take off.

[night sorrel]

Like this thingie:

You have a truck thats a factory capable of producing units, excluding itself

[hearty badge]

So basically OTB but with unlimited spawns?

[glacial flame]

I think I got what you want, You want the 'BOTE carrier cargo thingy' but on a ground vehicle?

Sorry to butt in, btw

[hearty badge]

Yeah, basically what OTB can do.
It deploys, spawns a bunch of NPCs and then goes elsewhere.

[night sorrel]

Yeah

Basically yes

[hearty badge]

I don't think we'll get a new unit for this but we MIGHT have the OTB spawnable without a ship dock.

[night sorrel]

Yeah, ig that works too

I initially thought of just an empty platform with a "pilot" and whatever cargo you chose, not even with any sort of mobility

But ground spawnable version of OTB would be nice (ig its a good idea to keep them as two technically different vehicles, one normal other ground spawn for mission maker purposes)

[hearty badge]

Yeah, once we get back to working on stuff, we'll take a look at that as well 👍

[night sorrel]

Also, any chance of "Redux" (slightly more vanilla-ish and balanced) variation of the mod? I don't mean in any near time, i just mean generally?

Mod is great but some of the friends are interested in slightly more serious ops from time to time

[icy grotto]

Tusko are close to AS-4 Kitchen than anything

But smaller

Far from hypersonic

If anything AS-4 was more competetive stats wise

[hearty badge]

Yes, I will try to look at the balance in the future and make a less powerful / more believable version.
But we have to see how that goes / when it happens.

[hearty badge]

Fair.
But what real world weapons have the countermeasure resistance of the Stratolance and RAM45?

[icy grotto]

Probably pre-AEGIS US radars and contemporary soviet tech

Jamming should be firing range reduction anyway and not "cannot fire at all"

[gentle fern]

HOLY SSHI

IS THIS FOR REAL?

[glossy juniper]

certainly is

[bold fjord]

Would like to see a "lore friendly" version

[real crystal]

could you add dummy airbases on top of depots?

maybe you could even have the depot as a damage dummy

so if it gets destroyed the airbase loses the "invisible" hangar

but eh, perfectly understandable if this isn't viable

[plain meteor]

It is bizarre how ground vehicles can contribute to Datalink but cannot access it themselves. AGM carriers like the AFV6 AT would dominate if they could

[sharp prism]

Hey dudes and dudettes, escalation with kar and bote support is now available

[real crystal]

you seem to have answered your own question

[gentle fern]

is it multiplater compatible?

[sharp prism]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3698048342 here's the file, not sure if any of the mods would pin this

[sharp prism]

yeeuyp, the person trying to join just needs to have matching mods

[gentle fern]

lessgooooo

[real crystal]

the convoys or base defenders would just annihilate the map under 5 minutes

picture mbts sniping factories from kilometers away

realistic but would be ahh

[plain meteor]

Hard to do a plane power fantasy if ARHs can just appear from behind hills and beeline you while tanks lob optical shells a dozen kilometers and take out all the targets before you take off

[gentle fern]

is there a seperate discord server? like for primevia 2082?

[gloomy sleet]

so your telling me.

i can feel the nuclear option?

[sharp prism]

you can feel what it's like to be hit by a TBM as a tank yeah

-# it's happened to me twice

[gloomy sleet]

so cool.

[vestal haven]

unironically playing naval in Nuclear Option much more fun than in War Thunder

[gloomy sleet]

what

how do you play using ships

[sage rune]

the KAR and BOTE are diff mods

and you spawn them on docks or on boats

[vestal haven]

BOTE

[frosty ruin]

Submarine

[gloomy sleet]

theres a submarine?????

[frosty ruin]

No its an upside down shard

[gloomy sleet]

oh.

oh that makes much more sense.

[upbeat notch]

QOL messes up the turret position on a few of them

[upbeat notch]

did this for me too one time

[half timber]

Just hosted a game

Peak mod

Had a whole fleet

[gloomy sleet]

hm yes i sure do love flying with my vortex.

[hearty badge]

We might look into it, but it might be weird balance wise, since depots are so numerous you can just spawn a 76mm AFV8 and bombard the next ones directly.
We'll have to see.

[upbeat notch]

same i love my vortex

[hearty badge]

I especially love the 50+ AShM loadout on my vortex!

[upbeat notch]

I love it

[strong dragon]

is there a way to get more zoom as a vehicle?

combat is weird when i can barely see beyond a km

[night sorrel]

Also, quick question, is Kar/Bote dependendent on each other for any of the functions?

[sharp prism]

Nah, they ain't, 2 different mods that do work nicely together though

[sharp prism]

sadly no :( not to my knowledge

[half timber]

Just realized kar and bote is literally car and boat

This mod is awesome but few issues

1. carrier guns move together so they fire at itself, it needs collision caution

2. not sure if it was generally laggy or not but carrier is bit laggy

3. REALLY needs updated huds

Also kar and bote should be one mod to not separate players even more

MITCH PLEASE MAKE THIS VANILLA

[gloomy sleet]

you just realised this? 😭

[half timber]

Tts literally said car and boat

Thats why

When do we get annex

And PLEASEEEE let us use the 2 new ships next update

BOTH

[stark dust]

You can play lore accurate versions of the all the vehicles available already, and since the variants are just loadouts, you can restrict their weapons to only be the vanilla options

[bold fjord]

there is still some "not so lore accurate" sollutions in regular loadouts that wont let you do it as accurate as you want it to be, for example AFV8 SAM turret has S1 and kingpins

[half timber]

Please give us custom livery option!!!

[stark dust]

Which is what it has in vanilla 🤔

Kingpins are substituting in for the G2G missile im pretty sure

[plain meteor]

Next April Fools will be a playable submarine right?

[half timber]

İnfantry

İnfantry and submarines

Caves and cliffs ahhh 😭

[plain meteor]

Frogmen

[half timber]

I have a wuestion could i extract the hyperion model and its textures from the game files

To make liveries before they add it to bote?

[cinder trail]

can you quit begging for crap every 5 hours

you can request things, but this is begging and begging is insanely annoying

that's how you get mod devs to ignore you

[uncut mortar]

to be fair, it's crazy hard to think up what we'll have in 2080 lmao

as probably hated as a opinion this is, the weapons and aircraft kinda feel like a really comfortable end-of-2020s / early 2030s vibe

[zealous mauve]

A suggestion: in the killfeed, capitalise "kar" please

It's a very small thing but it bugs me

And I think in the vehicle selection screen too

[uncut mortar]

anyways, I just wanna say that I really like this mod, so thanks to you fellas for that c:
think you did a great job there

that honestly makes me question what the armour penetration of the cannon in the game are

[modest pike]

i just noticed this but shouldnt the anvil turret be on the linebreaker hull instead of the afv8 hull?

[cinder trail]

I imagine we'll have smart munitions and sophisticated APS suites

and hopefully if they're not cowards, turreted 20 mils

turreted 20 mils are so much nicer than 50 cals

[uncut mortar]

to be fair, we had all of those by like, the 2010s, no?

maybe not the APS suites but otherwise

[cinder trail]

yeah however they're cowards and are using 50 cals

as for smart munitions

they're not really used

2080s tech should make it better

[cinder trail]

side note. artillery uses them now

but most mainline vehicles don't have smart projectiles

[uncut mortar]

-# it's also really questionable why you would need a 20mm RWS instead of a 12.7mm

[cinder trail]

for vehicles that are resistant to 50 cal rounds but not 20 mil

also if you wanna really screw over a building

[zealous mauve]

It's not about need

[kind crow]

great mod vr is very simlike also a bit motion sickening lol thanks too all the 2082 team

[zealous mauve]

It's about sending a message

[cinder trail]

but why

[austere socket]

optimal

[modest pike]

why not

[kind crow]

soviet ahhhh design

[night sorrel]

cause it has the engine power

imagine that thing moving at you at*** 200 kph***

[light geyser]

I'm assuming there's no way to prevent AI from using the vehicles?

[lapis ingot]

how do i get ships?

[light geyser]

You spawn them at other ships

[cinder trail]

if you have factories they'll try to spawn them

it doesn't go too well

[cinder trail]

check pins

[real crystal]

the airdropped FOBs are completely different from the ones from BOTE correct?

[cinder trail]

airdropped and MSV FOBs are part of KAR and not BOTE

however iirc BOTE's vehicle depot is built to also support spawning KARs, but don't quote me, I haven't tested

[spare orbit]

cursed mod tbh 🥀

[glossy juniper]

Range, damage, air defense, penetration

[plain meteor]

there is no way this is going to work
oh my god it actually works

[plain meteor]

hey guys

[glad imp]

Are you in the shard? Or the landing craft

[plain meteor]

The VL49 and UH90

[lapis ingot]

Holy shit

I hope in the future mitch does a vanilla thing for ground vehicles

[upbeat notch]

thats been denied a lot

i highly doubt he will

[half timber]

Can you quit being so irritating

No one but you said it

[cinder trail]

that's because everyone else is actively going out of their way to ignore you

I instead like to call out crap I don't like

[upbeat notch]

holy bum argument

[half timber]

No i think you are just aggressive

So player aircrafts can now deploy player ground units?

[cinder trail]

no, they cannot

[half timber]

Will they be able to?

[cinder trail]

the game REALLY does not like it when two player controlled entities collide

no.

[half timber]

True true i forgot about that

Could it be possible to play a theme for each naval an ground unit specific

Like hyperion has its own theme, shard has its own theme etc

Just make it play at spawn of the unit and play the song by unit

[glossy juniper]

They are right though

[half timber]

Still

There is no need to argue all the time

[glossy juniper]

You really do seem to asking for something constantly

[half timber]

Because this specific person gets angry at me in every NO channel and server

[glossy juniper]

Which
If it isnt annoying, just looks really whiny

[half timber]

Damn okay

[modest pike]

is there any difference between the depot and the depot mk2

[cinder trail]

depot mk2 can spawn player KARs

[spare orbit]

corvettes lowkenuenely kinda weak

[half timber]

I mean isnt this the same way they are as ai normally?

At some point guns fail to intercept

[spare orbit]

but one AGM and im sent to the yamato

[half timber]

Btw do bombs give warnings?

[glossy juniper]

a 68?

[half timber]

Its normal

You just sank fast

Maybe unlucky

[spare orbit]

iirc yes

when i was SPAA

[half timber]

Whats iircs

[spare orbit]

if i recall correctly

[half timber]

Oh

By the way is making a livery system for ground and naval not possible or just not planned to be made?

[spare orbit]

i think it should

that one BDF mbt has 2 'skins'

[half timber]

Because it would really be cool to have one

So is it just unplanned to make one?

[cinder trail]

side note, CIWS currently doesn't work right

the game turret logic does not like BOTE

will be fixed in a future update

[jade jungle]

is there any point in using the 20kW laser instead of the 70kW?

[autumn bane]

the LCAC doesn't work for me, i throttle up and apply thrust like the ibis but it doesn't sound like the engine is on

[autumn bane]

only real reason is that it doesn't eat capacitor charge

[jade jungle]

so in other words, there is none unless u are using one very specific loadout

[stark dust]

The 70kw intercepts like two things and its useless

The 20kw stops a whole ibis

[half timber]

Damn

[jade jungle]

i have to test that

[half timber]

But then why choose the auto intercept turret over 20kw?

[jade jungle]

the APS can only shoot down so many before it has to reload

[half timber]

So faster and more secure interception to the cost of ammo and it reloading

[stark dust]

The APS is so good until it needs to hit multiple in rapid succession

They all have their reasons

[night surge]

The 20kW LAMS doesn't eat cap charge?

[stark dust]

I alsl dont think the lasers can take down bombs

[night surge]

I know the 70kW can eat light bombs (125's/80's) with a little time and 250's with abit more

[half timber]

Hyperion carrier being playable is the best thing ever made

It is 100% worth the money it costs

That thing is a swimming fortress with a low chance of being destroyed

AND JAMMERS TOO

[autumn bane]

I've been trying to set up a FOB so I can try it out too but the hovercraft's engine doesn't start i guess?

[night surge]

Used CA1 to trottle up?

[autumn bane]

yep, just like the ibis

my screen goes red for a bit whenever i spawn at the annex

wonder if that has something to do with it

i think i figured it out

the annex i was spawning at had been hit before and was listing a bit

which was then spawning me under the water's surface

ok yeah that was definitely it

[jade jungle]

just tried the 20kW
i nearly got killed by a single AGM-48 because it tried to shoot 3 that weren't heading for me

[cinder trail]

the PD can be like that sometimes

[jade jungle]

yea that 20kW is useless, just use the 70 or the APS

nailed a Chicane with the railgun lol

[jade jungle]

turns out it's surprisingly good at this... and surprisingly bad at its actual intended role

[half timber]

Wait so its bad at anti naval?

[jade jungle]

i thought its intended role was as a long-range sniper in general, both for ground and sea

[half timber]

Ah so northstar railgun

[zealous mauve]

It's effectively useless because terrain ruins your LOS all the time

[jade jungle]

so it really is just a heli sniper in disguise lol

[night surge]

The T-12's 155 raingun is just.. very bad at long range fire, its even more inaccuate then the 130 at the same range

[jade jungle]

it's more effective against air units than ground ones lol

at least it's good for sniping factories

[paper wagon]

Mod developers.
Some feedback about mods!

This was very interesting experience.
I saw in mod a lot of good ideas for every ground unit loadouts. You really tried give every ground unit own role what is very good.
Playing in coop feels extremely fun and atmospheric, especially if you have one guy in sky for close air support. Of course some weapon looks too powerful (180agm truck, you are crazy). Very like ability installation laser defense and active defense systems. I also think you able implement some extra truck with ALM, and tusko B.

Thank you a lot for mod. This was exciting! ❤️

||I will creating mission for this mod and you can implement any of them if you want ||

[heavy tendon]

Ive run into an issue where I cant move as the landing craft, I'm not sure if its a control scheme thing or what. I've noticed that the craft doesnt have a throttle indicator but instead a thrust indicator yet I cant find the corresponding controls unfortunately

never mind, its the same as the gear change keybind

[hearty badge]

The landing craft uses the same controls for thrust as the IBIS does

CustomAxis1

[opal lotus]

this mod got me moving like a maverick in tarantula, straight fire

[hearty badge]

😉

[opal lotus]

close enough, welcome back carrier command 3

[opal lotus]

nothing feels better than dropping a helipad near enemy main

[opal lotus]

OH GOD

ngl i wanna play around with Cargo Hook Free mod, but i'll have to wait for my twin

flying stratolance launcher.................

[upbeat notch]

What did you do

[fair condor]

i use the Unrestricted Weapons mod so it let me use the turret on the hardpoint lol

[runic mango]

Edited Point Blank where you play as AFV8
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3698518612

[tidal fossil]

yo does both work with QoL mod

[paper wagon]

Coop mission specially for KAR mod
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3698537134

[charred barn]

Not atm sadly

[tidal fossil]

dang

well, it seems to be working

[charred barn]

Ye qol just moves some kar turrets. Looks funky but i don't recall any breaking issues

[hearty badge]

It just makes things a bit weird, but it doesn't crash I don't think

[opal lotus]

hey @charred barn how about an RTS mod for the next year joke?

[charred barn]

Next year is very serious, no jokes allowed

[fleet hull]

there is a few issues i think

when selecting the anti air missiles as the bonus module on the dynamo they dive straight into the ocean

[opal lotus]

tho we literally have a base for an RTS mod
there's already fast move for travel on roads, and a simple move order for offroad
now we just need a command to fire at specific targets and UI for spawning units at vehicle depots

i might be onto something

[fleet hull]

maybe

[kind crow]

2082 cooking up nuclear option 2

[charred barn]

Nah

Going straight to 3

[kind crow]

woah

[hearty badge]

There are currently some technical hurdles, but if those can be overcome, absolutely nothing stops us from turning the game into a full-blown RTS where you can even possess units for some time and then go back to an RTS mode.

[fleet hull]

holy cat

[tidal fossil]

my bote not working

[hearty badge]

The camera would simply be the free cam controller, we would add part of the mission editor interface and build upon it somehow, and then we'll just have to figure out how to transfer unit ownership to the AI and back to the player in order to bypass the whole pilot ejecting thing.

[hearty badge]

Elaborate?

How not boteing

[tidal fossil]

i dont know

its not loading all the way

let me see if i can get a clip

[hearty badge]

oke

[opal lotus]

easy, the units are never owned by the player

and if they need to be stopped for whatever reason just freeze the part of FSM that handles moving to target

and call it "free movement disabled"

[hearty badge]

If we want it to be doable with only vanilla NPC units, the job is significantly easier.
Getting aircraft and player-controllable ground units to also listen is the harder part.

Ideally, you would have the option to spawn in something like the OTB or the Hyperion, sail to wherever you want on your own, then stop and switch to your RTS view.

This way the player would still remain grounded in some way.

[opal lotus]

let me pull up my drafts....

[fleet hull]

the camera does not work sometimes

it gets stuck on the booting screen

not the camera the uhh

the little MFD screen thing

[hearty badge]

Boot screen? You are using NOTT?

Kar and Bote are incompatible with NOTT.

[fleet hull]

ahh i see

[opal lotus]

so, the only real problem with aircrfaft is finding a way around unit is ICommandable commandable
then we could command them just as a ground unit
i was thinking about adding a custom state which reroutes controls from AI decision making to a user, with some exceptions like when it is in state of landing and etc
tho it is suggesting we could mimic AI autopiloting since we've taken away its brain
i've tried to find anything useful for the ground units but its just general notes about decompiled stuff

[hearty badge]

If you can manage something of the sort, it would be great!
If not, we'll take a look into it and see what we can achieve.

But yes, those are some good general directions.

[opal lotus]

i actually might make some draft plugin to test around

[night sorrel]

Just a misc question
If you were to replace all NPCs with KAR/BOTE 1 to 1 (assuming AI works and non impactful, same weapons and amounts as vanilla), how much would it impact performance? Or it would be negligible?

[cinder trail]

heavily

aircraft run significantly different and more expensive AI logic

[gloomy sleet]

can i somehow be a SPG

like

artillery

[stark dust]

152mm for the spearhead and 76mm for the afv8

[gloomy sleet]

they arc?

[stark dust]

yes they are artillery

[plain meteor]

They aren't very good. Lasers, radar SAMs, and SPAAGs can all shoot down your shells.

Also the range is limited to like 15km at most.

[lyric coral]

Relies on spam to overwhelm their defenses

So like rocket artillery and a few shell lobbers

I just realized, AI vehicles still take the roads even in enemy territory. Making for the world’s easiest ambush

[jade jungle]

yea the ground and naval AI are both braindead, and it's hard to make them any better without risking the game's performance

[plain meteor]

Is the AFV8 supposed to be amphib?

Yes, yes it is. Every other kar sinks into the water

[lyric coral]

Also I don't think I can setup everything correctly

[night sorrel]

Hmmm.... Okay, whats about ships only? Its only a dozen-two of them per mission so shouldn't be too bad??

[cinder trail]

still impactful

[lyric coral]

How do I even set up BepInEx and the mods perfectly? (the instructions don't cover everything)

[dense torrent]

I shot down a whole ass compass with the 70

[lyric coral]

Also the config folder doesn't exist

[dense torrent]

Use nuclear option mod manager

[lyric coral]

Hmb rq

How do I setup mod manager?

After BepInEx?

[dense torrent]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1467341462227124305

[lyric coral]

I can't setup Bep even with instuctions

[dense torrent]

NOMM will set BepInEx for you

[lyric coral]

Aye

How do I make the manager work now?

[dense torrent]

I'd ask in the post for the mod manager

[lyric coral]

Figured it out already

Danke

[opal lotus]

maybe making the first build with mirage in mind was a bad idea

[austere socket]

if you mean mirage the networking library, you may need to use this tool https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1479999074244755679

assuming you end up writing any code that requires it

[tiny sluice]

So now that we got

Can someone explain to me how the naval inventory works? For BOTE

Found the guide

[lyric coral]

Yep

And it's more fun than it was said to be

(as an Arma player)

[remote gorge]

Truth nuke.

[craggy aspen]

this aint boscali truk simulator 2
this is boscali truk simulator 3

[remote gorge]

I've already gotten a good handful of friends to run some KAR-BOTE sessions with, and I don't think I can look at vanilla NO the same way again.

It's still good, mind you.

[feral chasm]

why is my vehicle stuck going backwards when i let go of the controls

[lyric coral]

Idk, same thing when you turn on a car and don't hold the brakes when trying to stay still Ig

[feral chasm]

no, like it throttles backwards at random for whatever reasoni

im assuming its like, some kind of ai pathfinding ghost haunting the code

[bold fjord]

I was quite confused with controls but that was because I changed keybinds and also throttle is working as semi-cruise mode

[feral chasm]

oh :,)

[lyric coral]

Bote controls?

[paper wagon]

Watch In controls settings

[jade jungle]

lol i nailed an AGM-48 with the Type-12's railgun

[jade jungle]

driving in my car right after a beer

[vale tartan]

Where do you spawn the hyperion in game?

[lyric coral]

Why did a Chicane just eat 2000 20mm rounds?

https://giphy.com/gifs/thousand-yard-stare-1000-shell-shock-oaXRLIMnkGBnuQOBzE

[feral chasm]

Damage model 👍

[jade jungle]

she kramenkan on my armored till i reinforcements

[half timber]

Need to find a dock, nowhere else, to spawn a dock you need a landing craft with a FOB. Then deploy a dock with it an airbase center and then at the cost of 1499.99 the ship is yours

[vale tartan]

So it's something player made, i see.
Also how do you use the fob system

Like, open it

[half timber]

Keybind in the settngs

If i recall its the same keybind you deploy units with on hyperion and other ships

[vale tartan]

Only 3000 easy hourly instalments of $500,000

[vale tartan]

Mk

[half timber]

What

[spare orbit]

For me they do, the only slight issue I have is they target ground vehicles often and only switch targets to missiles if they are targeting your ship.

SAM on the destroyer is like a 50/50 if it works sometimes.

My only suggestion lowkey is to make AA VLS auto target like CIWS

[lapis ingot]

uhhh why red

[stark dust]

Its evil

(It means nothing)

[dense torrent]

the best part about this is the somewhat unsubtle implication that the tanks have datalink capabilities

[feral chasm]

does the quality of life mod break the turret positions on some vehicles

[cinder trail]

yes

[feral chasm]

lmao

[charred barn]

The similarity between npc vehicles and kar's is only skin deep, they are fundamentally more similar to aircraft than ground vehicles and as such getting AI to work doesnt seem feasible atm

[charred barn]

Squish

[austere socket]

NOO

my boy

[feral chasm]

im assuming this happens because the qol mod somehow changes the way weapons are mounted on aircraft

[charred barn]

Correct

[feral chasm]

when i saw it for the first time i thought of an image i saw where someone mounted an aerosentry turret on the front of a medusa 😭

[plain meteor]

Spearhead if he Swedish

[spare orbit]

After a bit of testing, no.

[strong dragon]

would they irl?

mws track incoming IR right

ok apparently theres a bunch of different types

[spare orbit]

depends

although in this game, how it works, yes

since they're 'laser guided'

[charred barn]

Bombs are optical

https://tenor.com/view/heat-seeking-missile-tracking-a-cigarette-heat-seeker-ir-missile-missile-gif-12622503142785233063

[spare orbit]

potato potato

[spare orbit]

How do you force spawn vehicles from destroyers/carriers? The aircaft that spawn on me seem to be from regular AI.

[vestal haven]

Add keybind

[oak pilot]

in settings

Deploy unit

[lapis ingot]

one issue about bote, idk if it has been known already

the ciws are kinda dumb

carrier back ones kind killed myself

also, would be cool that if ships land back on the carrier they ged readded into the inventory

could be only the ships launched from it too

[wild minnow]

Idea let player controlled Vecs be loaded into Taratunlas

[feral chasm]

destroyer 40mms also do this

or whatever gun u have mounted

[austere socket]

ciws will be fixed in next update

[spare orbit]

and hopeing and praying we get the annex as playable too 🙏

wait what the hell

[jade jungle]

huh, the LFD's on the wiki already?
neat

Frigate1 is too

[zealous mauve]

How do I not die when I'm playing a SPAAG

I keep getting sniped by MBTs

[night surge]

As a SPAAG your job is to delete air targets and lighter ground targets

[zealous mauve]

Yes, so where should I be?

In a convoy?

Overwatch?

[lyric coral]

Bases and ambush positions

[zealous mauve]

So, next to the FOB?

Kinda boring tbh

Just sit on my ass and wait for someone to show up

[night surge]

Running mobile SPAAG for friendly Kars as they push up, sitting in a spot that over looks a common flight path for jets, sitting in a base to nosell some guys super sonic nuke drop

[zealous mauve]

Mhm

[lyric coral]

This also

[lyric coral]

Yea, really need buildable defenses tbh

But defense on the fly helps

[night surge]

Using the Bote LCAC to deploy forward bases would be neat

Actually.. Would the OTL/LCAC fit inside a medium hanger?

[lyric coral]

Only one way to find out

Also I think I saw it almost fit in one of the hardened hangers

The small ones

[jade glade]

Hey is it just me or does the Player controled Dynamo's CIWS have a bad habit of shooting its self instead of the target More often then not i cant run them because they shoot the ship more then the incoming missles.

[austere socket]

https://github.com/MinecrackTyler/BoscaliOceanTrainingExercise/releases/tag/v1.3.1
BOTE 1.3.1

• Fixed CIWS for the most part
• Fixed crickets vanishing under certain conditions
• Other fixes

"Better" changelog at link

[stark dust]

Lmfao

[jade glade]

thanks lol

[austere socket]

there is an issue with it with kar im fixing it rn

ok file was just updated, same release but dll is diff now

[spare orbit]

by the way is there any plans of having annex playable?

[zealous mauve]

I've been chilling on a hilltop

[spare orbit]

or naw

[zealous mauve]

It's pretty nice actually