76mm SPAAG for Tarantula

[tranquil quail]

Everyone kinda agrees that the vehicles Tarantula can carry kinda suck. They are used mainly as airfield capturing forces. So why not give it a naval gun on wheels:

• Range of 10-15km
  -Guided shells, mainly HE
  -Revolver autoloader with 12 rounds
  -Pretty high rate of fire (60 shots per minute)
  -Used mainly to slap non-maneuvering targets from the sky (AKA bombs and maybe lynchpins?)
  -Weight: around 20t (or whatever the limit of Tarantula is)

Be it a truck that has to stop and unfold its legs or a DRACO Centauro kind of thing:

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F4airecitsx0d1.gif

https://forum-en-cdn.warthunder.com/original/2X/d/dca4647549f3f5e198fe062965974a638800481d.jpeg

[tranquil quail]

76mm SPAAG for Tarantula

[lone jungle]

We gettin flak with this one

https://tenor.com/view/ww2-cannon-shoot-gif-16835289

[silent forum]

Artillery in general would be nice

[ruby cedar]

Wait, people have found them bad? I dropped an IFV behind enemy lines and it took out like 2-3 buildings and some other vehicles last time I was playing with the Tarantula.

[silent forum]

some people,i think the are pretty good for their niche backline roles

[solemn mist]

would be cool

[tranquil quail]

I mean, I dropped a couple of them at the bridge base once and they held out pretty well there, though I have to admit I also cheesed it by respawning, dropping a couple more and jumping out repeatedly.

[solemn mist]

they have very little staying power against ai or player aircraft and their only two AA options available to players (AFV6 AA and LCV25 AA) are often beaten by a single AGM-48

for players to have a chance to build up unit concentrations that can survive for long enough to be used by other players (ie, resupply points for chicanes or gunship tarantulas, impromptu highway airstrips, reinforcing damaged airfields), we will need more layers to the survivability onion available to us

[delicate coral]

I mean the big problem with the ranch's vehicles is that you're deploying them singly or in pairs...you kinda need to have proper units of em. But that requires either a staging area or more players

[solemn mist]

Even if you stacked 20 AFV6 AAs around a munition container, you could still smoke that entire concentration extremely easily

[halcyon thunder]

Hell yeah, is this that German aa gun with time fuse fragmentation shells? If it is that would be useful if they add drones. I don’t know if they can set off a bomb tho because of tiny fragments. Probably tho

[tranquil quail]

The truck is chinese, I think

[halcyon thunder]

It could be mounted on the radar truck

[tranquil quail]

Actually i think its a copy of some variation of Otomatic, but whatever. And yeah, it seems low profile enough to hopefully fit in Tarantula like the radar truck does

[halcyon thunder]

Anti heli😭🙏🙏🙏🙏

[delicate coral]

I got your anti heli right here

[wild snow]

Yeah as much as VL has grown on me it still generally sucks ass save for capping. Also you make no money from support so on steeper economy/no reserve servers you get VL once, make no money, die, then have to grind crick and coompass to get another one.

[solemn mist]

it should be cheaper when you aren't trying to be a gunship tbh

[wild snow]

yeah man like i get that a radar site is really powerful but almost $140m is ridiculous, may as well just take a medusa and get ARAD while ur at it

[solemn mist]

and a Medusa radar is less vulnerable, able to go wherever it wants, and is a far better radar system in general

[hexed shell]

Smth new? Yes! Smth useful? Yes! Smth interesting? Yes!
Range? Maybe max 7 km

[tranquil quail]

Why only 7km?

[keen raptor]

It has no radar, so it's ability to detect it's own targets would be very limited

[tranquil quail]

I was about to say that it would be fine to have range of 7km as default and 10-15km with a radar truck nearby

[hexed shell]

I think its gold middle.
If shell will have very fast speed it can't will cannot destroy enemy who very far away. If shell will have low speed that will be enough against low maneuver targets(boss helicopter witg lynchpins cricket witg lynchpins, tara with agms) and maybe even against agms missiles. And that range when you can try to oversaturate AA safety by lynchpins or agms.
If range will be longer(10-12km) and shells will be fast(and maybe guided) it will dont give you at low maneuver aircraft any chance to come closer what can be OP. If shels will be low speed an guided we will have same problem with low maneuver aircrafts,(of course maybe more chances).
That why need good test and install good parameters for same type weapon, will be it give you enough chances to shoot your weapon, and will be this weapon will be not so useless. I think same type AA must be very deathless from range 4-5 KM, what can be good against enemy agms and bomba and pabs spam(with high explosive range) to easy destroy groups of enemy weapon

[hexed shell]

Very cool idea
Absolutely very good. That have much sense and adaptation to any situation.
Any situation AA... Hm... That's idea!
Yes!
For close range and against swarms of enemy weapon use it without radar and with high explosive. And against enemy planes use little guided shells for long range! It will be cool

[tranquil quail]

At ranges of 10-15 even with guided shells you dont have to be supermaneuverable to avoid flak rounds. It would probably only be deadly for slow flying targets in ranges below 10km (AKA Chicanes and unintelligent Crickets).

Keep in mind im just throwing numbers around. Ultimately its up to devs and testers what this thing would and could do. But either way it would be nice to have something more powerful for Tarantula to carry and deploy.

[keen raptor]

Are there (real) modern equivalents to this. A high calibre SPAAG?

Most modern developments seem to be in missiles, at least for any significant range.
While SPAAG seem to be only lower calibre high ROF for point defence

[hexed shell]

Missiles is good of course. But, its much expensive. In long war usually win economic, and not super powerful one exemplary super expensive weapon

[tranquil quail]

Yes. On ships and trucks like in the OP. Its basically a naval cannon on a flatbed

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTO_Melara_76_mm

[hexed shell]

In any case same caliber and turrets for same weapon too big will be it can carry in tara. But im not sure, need more info

[tranquil quail]

Apparently these guns are so compact you dont even need to penetrate the deck to have it on a ship. Im sure we could use some 2070s handwavium to squeeze it into Tarantula if it really doesnt fit.

[keen raptor]

It seems like it pretty much just exists on ships outside of some niche cases.

Militaries around the world are almost exclusively looking at and using 30-40mm SPAAG solutions.
A higher calibre offers little advantages while increasing weight, and reducing ammo capacity.

The Otomatic for example, although was on the international market, had very few buyers

[tranquil quail]

Except China copied it and put it on a truck very recently and Iran is about to produce its own version, so not really true. Otomatic was a really odd case because it was a naval gun on a highly mobile platform. Here, were talking about 76mm rapid guns for stationary air base defense and not much else. Anti air missile systems have better range but also have slower reload time. They work better when theres more than one. A gun that can fire 12 rounds in 12 seconds would be very effective against bombs and glide bombs. And while I think Anvil turret on a truck would also work, its range wouldnt be as good as something with a higher caliber.

I mainly use the Otomatic because thats where I know the gun from and it also proves that it can be put on other things than ships.

[keen raptor]

That's why my first post here was asking for real world examples, but you just linked a naval gun and a gif.

Regarding range, that isn't really an important factor for these weapons, rather it's muzzle velocity. As they wouldn't be operating at close to max range due to them never hitting a moving target.

It seems there isn't really much of a use-case for these weapons, especially when the Anvil already exists in the game which can fulfil the same role.

We could just get an air-mobile version of that