#Tier 0 Helicopter

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granite sun
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Don't get me wrong, I love the cricket, but I do get bored starting every escalation with it. So it would be nice to have something a bit different and personally I have loved the rotary wing craft in the game. Some ideas:

  • Scout heli, lighter loadout and without the dedicated AGMs and 30mm. Thinking Kiowa/little bird.
  • Logistics heli. Tarantula lite, maybe can take 1 munitions crate? I think this would rely on support providing rewards, which I believe is coming. Could maybe scale to late game with a high loadout cost radar and ASMs?

Wouldn't be surprised if someone else has suggested something similar before. Any thoughts?

raven pine
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-# here we go again
Kiowa.

old creek
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a note, you can actually start default escalation with a compass instead, probably a chicane as well

but yeah it would be neat having a little chopper

supple spruce
haughty lynx
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Yeah, when the Chicane costs far more than a Compass I do think we need something at the Cricket/Compass cost bracket

old creek
mossy kiln
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I mentioned this in context of a naval heli/tiltrotor, but a low tier rotary air frame would also possibly be a candidate for an aircraft without low observable features because its mission shouldn't put it in range of enemy air defense radars and the compromises that come with LO design would do more harm than good

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Honestly that would be a great candidate for a tier-0 airframe as a cricket counterpart wrt faction specific aircraft: a light/medium utility tiltrotor with some hardpoints for AGMs/gunpods and a small chin turret like the ranch's .50

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Meanwhile the other side splits between the cricket and something kinda like a gazelle/kiowa

old creek
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honestly it'd be cool if a faction essentially had the cricket and chicane swapped

so their lowest-tier aircraft would be a little light attack/scout chopper and their third-lowest-cost one would be a heavier turboprop attacker

haughty lynx
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I think we'd need a much larger roster of aircraft in the game first before we decide on who-gets-what

restive junco
granite sun
analog belfry
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Ifrit and hyperion are PALA and the new carrier and STOVL are BDF

brittle cedar
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Meaning we get the VL-49 too as the new advanced carrier is built around it in Mitch's words

grand sedge
small prawn
# grand sedge

PALA going hard
No news on which faction the Chicane will go to?

brittle cedar
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Gimme

red forge
brittle cedar
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The Chicane is my second main and old main

Also i figured medusa would be us since tech and STOVL

red forge
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we're probably going to need a mid-tier PALA aircraft next because so far its a massive jump from goin to a compass to $100m+ planes

analog belfry
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And BDF will need a medusa like plane but PALA is def my faction with ifrit, compass and dusa

brittle cedar
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I still feel like medusa is more BDF by design but I don't use it often
Its theme is even kinda BDF-ish

supple spruce
brittle cedar
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BDF = moderate money, low resources, high tech
PALA = high money, moderate resources, moderate to low tech

supple spruce
# brittle cedar What do you mean

Ifrit is pricier than STOVL jet and Revoker, but generally better.

Hyperion I'd bet is pricer than assault carrier but can carry a greater variety of aircraft

Medusa is similarly priced.

Also Ifrit and Medusa radars share the same range, 10k more than BDF aircraft so far, so they could probably be stated to share a radar system

red forge
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its not just the ea6b and harrier II DNA its also SEAD is more fundamental to western doctrines

supple spruce
brittle cedar
red forge
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also price isnt a very good argument because sooner or later PALA will also need mid-tier aircraft

supple spruce
red forge
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i didnt say SEAD is exclusive to the west i meant having a dedicated EW platform feels more western

brittle cedar
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Which we, the US, have a lot of..

undone bough
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The other side’s tier zero being a light heli and their Chicane equivalent being a turboprop CAS plane would be funny.

red forge
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almost like theyre building up to some sort of amphibious invasion like the BDF

brittle cedar
vivid sedge
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the only thing that would make sense as a rank 0 helicopter would be a UCAV like a MQ-12 Falcon

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mossy kiln
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I'd honestly argue that the revoker is also a PALA airframe and that it slots in really well with the ifrit in a hi/lo mix, while the upcoming goober fighter is the lo half of the BDF's hi/lo mix

raven pine
mossy kiln
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the thing is, faction specific airframes are a bit of a ways off so that would give time to fill out BDF's roster that leans into their identity of higher tech and a focus on rapid deployment/response

which yes, the medusa should have been BDF

severe turtle
vivid sedge
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Yes... thats what... UCAV means...

brittle cedar
old creek
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if the BDF's doctrine is on response, tech, and versatility, then having a V/STOL SEAD/AWACS armed with a laser definitely fits them

the PALA analogue could perhaps have the chemical laser from another suggestion, and lack the vertical lift ability, but probably be cheaper to counter

mossy kiln
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Not to mention, have you ever tried taking off from the Hyperion in the Medusa? It works but it's so awkward. And it doesn't even make use of its main feature

normal saffron
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great idea
i wanna do circles and orbit the enemy while blasting rockets

brittle cedar
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Mitch you gotta see this

mossy kiln
little sphinx