#Stealth Tactical Bomber

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lean hare
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Can we add in a stealth tactical bomber?
Here the concept:
Philosophy behind the design: High alt bombing has always been a big risk or even suicide mission ever since strato r9 able to go mach jesus 20km in the skies and whack what ever it can see!
So i suggest Stealth bomber called B-7 "shooting star"

wing type: blended wing and about same size or smaller than compass
RCS: extremely small (virtually invisible till 5km but can be seen by medusa AWACS from much further away)
Heat sig: normal
Payload: up to 4 pab 250 / 3 pab-80LR/ 2 GPO500 / 2 AGM 68 / 4 AGM 48

+ Pro:
+ Allow high altitude bombing over enemy air domain due to low rcs
+ High altitude operation range (20km celling)
+ Internal payload
- Cons:
- No Air to Air weapon
- Internal payload only
- Sub sonic (so player will take a long time to climb)
- Small payload (limited strike)

player will have to select their target carefully and coordinate with medusa jammer to perform SEAD strike mission and due to high alt low speed bomb the AI have a really good chance to intercept the bomb if their airspace isn't too busy.

The lack of air to air wpn also mean that any air threat would be a huge risk for the player especially if they get detect by medusa and a solution is latched onto them.

picture is concept only

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red minnow
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Just buff Darkreach (also give it a new updated model maybe).

lean hare
clear slate
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My only concern is nukes. If it doesn’t get them, it’s irrelevant as soon as Ifrit 250KT spam begins; but if it does get them, the only way to stop it in PvP would be either pray a Medusa happens to be in the area, or just have someone loitering in space at all times. Getting potentially zero warning before a 250 kiloton is falling onto your base is pretty scary.

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Something like 15 kilo detection by ground-based radar and slightly closer for non-Medusa dome aircraft would heavily incentivize the high-altitude play style, as well.

lean hare
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to be fair, it design to be against key target that design to degrade enemy IADS, not design to decimate and win without any other plane.

Think... it part of a warfare but not significant enough to change the whole game. Beside the lack of Air - Air weapon is a easy counter.
if team A got medusa and also have a single air combat they could use data link to lock on and fire a scythe from 10KM away.

this whole aircraft is purely design to avoid the current mach jesus R9.

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it fairly useless at low alt CAS due to very small payload and lack of gun or any missle

clear slate
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It could be an interesting way to deal with Strato sites in the earlygame if it's relatively cheap.

sudden zinc
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And when would they be unlocked?

red minnow
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You know what, I could accept that if it had a reasonable TWR (so it doesnt have to climb for a million years), was a flying wing (these tend to have the lowest RCS) and could serve as both a drone commanding platform and a very light strategic bomber the OP is describing. Make it so it has a tiny bomb bay for just a few but very stealthy and expensive bombs. Since it could be spotted visually before it appears on the radar even the camouflage would matter. Basically this except manned:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/OP8AAOSw8kFgTL44/s-l400.jpg
https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/RQ-180_topshot.jpg?quality=85&w=800

lean hare
lean hare
clear slate
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25 kilos would make it essentially invincible. Something close to the Revoker’s flameout altitude just over 15 would be plenty.

lean hare
sudden zinc
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I think the Darkreach should just be able to do that normally instead of its current (roughly) 35,000ft limit

lean hare
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if we buff the roach too much, it become a problem itself so instead of fiddling how to balance the roach, why not add a plane that filling the very vital gap of modern air combat ?

sudden zinc
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It really just sounds like you want to cheat enemy radar SAMs

lean hare
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as same with a topic below where they suggesting tarantula should be able to deploy R9, this plane would work hard to counter that threat, perfectly balance... as everything should be

lean hare
sudden zinc
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You can already have a supporting Medusa jam enemy radar SAM's while flying a bombing mission in the Darkreach is my point

clear slate
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Even at just 12,000 meters an aircraft only spotted at 15km range would be strong; you’d be safe from radar SAMs unless you flew almost directly over them.

lean hare
clear slate
lean hare
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Actually yea, you make good point. That would be plenty

red scroll
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I´d just ask the Darkreach to be buffed, its quite on a weird way being at rank 5 and so expensive when compared to, for example an Ifrit, wich can be even more succesful than DR launching devastating ground attacks (less devastating, but more succesful) while also being much faster to strike, si it can strike multiple times with more succes while the DR is even trying to reach the target. Adding another bomber -more stealthy- would mostly render the DR obsolete.

sudden zinc
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Completely agree.

quasi trellis
night sun
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so like a smaller darkreach?

lean hare
# red scroll I´d just ask the Darkreach to be buffed, its quite on a weird way being at rank ...

the odd of this aircraft to commit even small strike is relatively low since it arsenal is limited.
it trade off massive capability of attack for much better stealth.
DR able to carry much more weapon, much more lethal weapon but stealth capability isnt that great.
you you buff DR more and it will proved really deathly to any base with it capability to saturation strike
if you can get DR in range (without mach jesus R9 wack it down at 40km away, it would proved to be very very devastated in single strike) with this it demand much more deep infiltration strike against the target and even if it can fly 10km over head undetected, the bomb it self might be intercepted on it way down.

so instead of doing saturation strike with dark reach, player now have a chance of destroying very key target to open up the airspace gap.

sudden zinc
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I'm really trying not to be a downer but since you've added the part of "even small strike is relatively low since it arsenal is limited," this kind of sounds like a lot of work for very little to no reward or significant gameplay change to warrant its own dedicated aircraft. You can fly a Medusa right now with jamming pods and PAB-80LRs and drop radar trucks and Boltstrikes on your trip. The only difficult part is watching for other aircraft and continuously swapping targets to jam when needed. You've got 6 bombs and neither Boltstrikes nor Stratolances are usually protected by SPAAG, and PAB-80LRs slip right past IR SAMs no problem, so all that's needed is to drop the bombs and jam the SAMs til the bombs land on their heads

old smelt
# lean hare Can we add in a stealth tactical bomber? Here the concept: Philosophy behind t...

I like same conception of stealth TACTICAL bomber.
Him payload little small, don't forget about spaag and anvil. Maybe little more? 6 pab 250/3 gpo500/ 3 68agms/ 6-8 agm48. No pab 80lr. Why? Because i feel same pablos not creates for internal using...

What about sizes of same small bomber? I feel it could be near ifrit sizes or smaller than medusa, sure that should be enough to use him from airports where we have small hardered hangars.

What about him stealthy? Optically he could be seen from... Maybe okay 4-8km. If he so cool stealth, radar missiles still can kill him? I think they must have some chances, because they will close to him?

What about him defences? Make for him maybe smaller then middle ir signature, and make 35-50 flares. And without jammers? Or with?
Speed i think for same aircraft with smaller heat signature must be near 650-750km/h.
I think he still must be seen from radars, but from much smaller distance, maybe from 10-25percents from radar distances(that near 5-12 km from stationary radars)? What do you think about same radar invisibility?

lean hare
echo beacon
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Wait, so rank 4 subsonic with 3 bombs? This is just an ifrit with one weapon bay and no afterburners?

shrewd stump
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If it’s compass size please make it carrier capable. Maybe use lift fans in the wings or something. Or just make it able to take off on it’s own from the ramp, but that sounds like a whole lot of thrust to me for a small, slow stealth bomber.

I guess the compass manages from the carrier so lift fans may be unnecessary. 🤷‍♂️

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Another idea: spy plane cameras for the weapon bays. Replace the doors with ones that have windows and fill them with giant telescopic cameras. You’d then be able to scan a huge area under you for ground targets in a sort of “spy plane” role.

lean hare
old smelt
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dire walrus
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The idea is not bad but the size of the plane seems exaggerated to me, maybe a little bigger wouldn't be bad because I don't think all the things from the plane would fit inside it and because it would look horrible

old smelt
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