General Thread

[hardy linden]

heh

[final pulsar]

I played air combat

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https://tenor.com/view/growing-old-getting-old-grow-old-old-man-becoming-old-gif-17885988

Sin reading this convo

idk my first ever game was Ace 4

[hardy linden]

damn

also ac6 had a really flawed progression system

you could sell all planes for like full price

this was such bs

[final pulsar]

I got all those

Only ones I didn't get where the mp ones

[full cloak]

I didn't have access to a credit card as a kid so I couldn't get the Ace of Aces DLCs for AC6

had to satisfy myself with youtube playthroughs

anyway once Mitch adds naval units this will be an easy fix but until then

[hardy linden]

heh

[hardy linden]

wait, there are DLC missions for ac6?

[full cloak]

yes~

[hardy linden]

didnt even know

wow

[full cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZN-WM-Ty_g

[hardy linden]

oh wow

[final pulsar]

yep

[full cloak]

it's basically PW's mercenary difficulty for like, 6 of the original missions

additional enemies, harder enemies

[hardy linden]

wait its not nee missions?

[final pulsar]

you used more msl lol

[hardy linden]

wow

[full cloak]

technically not new missions, they reuse the same map, but with some more objectives thrown in

well, less like objectives and more "bonus rounds" between boosted up superweapon fights

[hardy linden]

hmm

ac6 is so flawed

i love it

the player planes are really flawed but the game is great

[full cloak]

I think the working idea was that "Yeah Garuda 1 decided to destroy the entire Estovakian military head-on by himself over the span of 6 missions instead of 12"

[hardy linden]

ah, the nosferatu with 20 missiles launched at once

[full cloak]

and so the Ace of Aces mode is kinda just a standalone campaign

[hardy linden]

banned from mp cause it was too op

[full cloak]

12 actually

[hardy linden]

hmm

something new

[final pulsar]

You could use it in mp

[full cloak]

but in AC6 each of those missiles had full missile damage and QAAM homing

[final pulsar]

Came with fire across the map rail guns lol

[full cloak]

actually I think they had SPW damage which was effectively double missile damage

[hardy linden]

wow

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so in total they had 24 missiles worth of damage in a single, nigh-undodgeable salvo

[hardy linden]

yeah this was really busted

[full cloak]

nerfed to absolute shit in future games

now it's 12 missiles with shit homing and half missile damage

[final pulsar]

Because in ac6, you where God lol

[hardy linden]

you where?

[full cloak]

it's still really funny hitting someone with a ADMM salvo in AC7 multiplayer

[hardy linden]

where you

i am

[hardy linden]

never played ac7 mp

i saw some clips of ppl killing others with unguided rockets

[full cloak]

basically AC7 MP meta is really close range turnfights so like

instead of letting your missiles lock onto anything you fly into close quarters and shotgun people with the missiles coming out of the VLS pods

[final pulsar]

AC7 MP wasn't very good.....

[full cloak]

if you fly your plane directly under someone and hit the missile button with ADMMs equipped they get hit with all 8 missiles coming out of the upper pods

[final pulsar]

AC7 campaign was great, the MP feelt like it was just kinda tacked on

[full cloak]

its fukken hilarious

[hardy linden]

welp

[full cloak]

yeah no the MP in AC7 is dog

[hardy linden]

tho i dont like the ac weapon system

[final pulsar]

AC7 should have had the Co-op function that AC6 had

[hardy linden]

i prefer pw's

[hardy linden]

coop in ac7 would be so awesome

[fair lava]

fr

guns were actually good in pw

[hardy linden]

they are busted

the aim assist is insane

[final pulsar]

was a large disappointment coop was not added to AC7

[hardy linden]

you hit something 10m away and it connects

[full cloak]

AC6 had co-op?

I thought that was ACAH

[final pulsar]

yeah, it did. it took all the firendly AI planes out and you and 3 other would then rush to who kill the most

[full cloak]

ah

that doesn't sound as fun tbh LOL

[final pulsar]

and shared a pool of lifes so you couldn't spam planes

but we tried to FAB all the things

no msl, bombs

or rockets

[full cloak]

ah so the same as ACI's multiplayer lmfao

they would've made mad cash if ACI was available on PC

[final pulsar]

the final mission in ac6 got bugged some time, and they never fixed it

so you could never complete thje game

[hardy linden]

wait what when

[full cloak]

???

never saw that issue

also damn looking back I've never seen another game do flak guns as well as AC6 does them

they look terrifying

[dense pebble]

@full cloak @hardy linden mind if I boot up a group chat?

[hardy linden]

no

[full cloak]

eh do we really need one

[hardy linden]

dont mind

[full cloak]

just make a thread

or just use this channel

not like anybody else comes in here

even though I keep pointing newbies here for help

[dense pebble]

Eh fair enough

[full cloak]

let's figure out what we want to make first

unless it's just gonna be multiple simultaneous boss fights lmao

[hardy linden]

yes

[dense pebble]

:)

[hardy linden]

time to remake m21 from pw

[full cloak]

alright here we go~

[hardy linden]

with nukes exploding in the bg

[dense pebble]

"Oh you think ace combat is hard"

[full cloak]

I'm worried about lag lol

[hardy linden]

im not

[full cloak]

I can barely host gambit gale without it dropping to 15 fps

well I guess we'll deal with that when we get there

which airbases do we want

[dense pebble]

Dunno yet

[full cloak]

I'm partial to just taking over City airbase and both Highways and defending it with bosses against players from all sides

or just giving the players Naval

[patent fern]

what's this about

[full cloak]

super secret collab project

[dense pebble]

:)

[full cloak]

by super secret I mean even we don't know what we're cooking yet

it's that secret

[patent fern]

oh right that thing we talked about i was supposed to be in on

bitchin, what we do

[hardy linden]

wait so what are we doing?

[full cloak]

idk that's why we're discussing it

[dense pebble]

Coming up with ideas for a map

[hardy linden]

totally not like i have a schedule for my campaign

1 mission a week

[patent fern]

pan bullying trying to exclude
time to exclude her speaking privileges

[dense pebble]

That's fine

[hardy linden]

if i dont fulfill it i will be removed

[dense pebble]

I gotta schedule for when I get home

[full cloak]

I mean we could do total war but every airbase has a superweapon defending it

[patent fern]

lag concerns methinks

[dense pebble]

Buildings don't produce much lag

[full cloak]

no matter what we do it's going to take a supercomputer to run the mission, I think we gotta accept that

[patent fern]

its not just buildings

alright i got us covered on that

(i dont really but mine is usually good enough)

[hardy linden]

hell yes

time to remake the experimental 10km long plane from pw

[dense pebble]

I call dibs on the island base

[hardy linden]

yes, thats a thinf

[patent fern]

now hol up

[dense pebble]

I've already got a super weapon for that

[hardy linden]

fr

[patent fern]

i know its a thing

[full cloak]

Mountain Airbase is finally getting it's satellite constellation defenses to keep Kia from dive bombing

[dense pebble]

Only 10km?!

[final pulsar]

lol best make that sat work longer than 2 blind fired S3's lol

[full cloak]

it's a satellite constellation

[hardy linden]

time to remake the condor

10 times longer than the ship in ac7

not even joking

[final pulsar]

home boi is gonna say challange accepted and slap that with a 500kg like the last one lol

[full cloak]

I mean yeah but he's gotta do it 20 times now

[hardy linden]

fr lets remake this

[dense pebble]

Guess what

[hardy linden]

make a bossfight

[patent fern]

you are insane

[hardy linden]

oh no

[hardy linden]

pan will carry us

[dense pebble]

What I've been making in blender

[patent fern]

fun fact i watched this get made

still have no clue what its supposed to be

[hardy linden]

yeah fr tf is this

[dense pebble]

I need to re-design

Honestly just a look if I can make an interior with bodies

BUT

It doesn't have its wing yet

[hardy linden]

you gonna hide dead bodies inside?

guess its just an australian thing

[fair lava]

arsenal bird made out of platforms

[hardy linden]

then lets remake this dog

[full cloak]

my other idea for something smaller was that we can turn Naval Airbase into Megalith

[patent fern]

she was going to make massive warships in my mission but scrapped that idea due to insanely massive lag overload concerns

[dense pebble]

Literally

[patent fern]

that's what that image is birthed from

[dense pebble]

That's why I'm planning on making this into broken parts:)

[hardy linden]

lets make stonehedge

[full cloak]

impractical unfortunately

no way to make the railguns actually threatening

[hardy linden]

remake stonehedge offensive

[patent fern]

lets reference something that isnt just ace combat

[hardy linden]

whatever

[dense pebble]

Hmm?

[hardy linden]

ingame it was just for looks too

[dense pebble]

Set it up on a timer underneath it

[hardy linden]

didnt do anything gameplay wise

[patent fern]

killed hundreds of people

you right

[full cloak]

Timer takes up the objectives is the thing

[hardy linden]

no gameplay affected

[hardy linden]

make it a coop mission

[patent fern]

if you flew above 2000 feet you died

[dense pebble]

Eh, heard a new system is coming out

[patent fern]

i'd say that slightly altered the gameplay

[hardy linden]

oh hmm

[full cloak]

this is already established

[full cloak]

not yet is the problem

[hardy linden]

timer can be a thing

on the other side

[dense pebble]

I can tell you

[full cloak]

hm

[patent fern]

how would you have anything on a timer in the mission editor

[full cloak]

maybe

[dense pebble]

It ain't gonna take a day to make this

[patent fern]

no functions for that

[full cloak]

gravity timer

[patent fern]

goofy

lol

[dense pebble]

Underground platforms and an mbt

Or

Gravity

[full cloak]

gravity is better for longer timers

[patent fern]

so drop a truck from space again?

[full cloak]

yeah

[hardy linden]

space x time

[patent fern]

man this is getting more scuffed by the second

par for the course tho

[full cloak]

what did you expect with this collab

[patent fern]

well i didnt expect to almost get written out of it

but apart from that, idk

you got a point

[hardy linden]

actually, you can make it so you get shot down if you go over 2000 feet

if you set up boltstrikes right

you can

[patent fern]

just dodge tho

[hardy linden]

better than nothing

[patent fern]

[hardy linden]

but

if you combine it with IR?

not dodgeable at all

totally

[patent fern]

yea totally

looks at rebalancing fleet

totally undodgeable

[dense pebble]

F^ck it what we naming this shit

[full cloak]

I mean okay first things first it's a collab so we all should have our respective parts, we've established we're doing a co-op mission and we'll likely be using the non-joinable team's objectives to maker a timer

[dense pebble]

Project [X,Y,Z,W]?

[patent fern]

no

[hardy linden]

super powerful unkillable project build

[dense pebble]

SPUP

[patent fern]

why not just use one of the names you were going to use for the warships

[dense pebble]

S P U P

[hardy linden]

SPUP

[dense pebble]

S p u p

[hardy linden]

nah we gotta name it something more comical

[full cloak]

SPBR for the first letter of all our names

[patent fern]

nah

[dense pebble]

S. P. U. P

See

[patent fern]

something a bit ominous would be fire

[full cloak]

actually hm

SPRB

[hardy linden]

like Dangerous Ion Cannon

[full cloak]

Super-B

Superb

[hardy linden]

the best name

DIC for short

[patent fern]

hellll naw

[full cloak]

lmao

[dense pebble]

Hm

[hardy linden]

gonna shoot you with my DIC

[weak dirge]

it aint me

[dense pebble]

Well I was gonna name my two flying fortresses "project Aurion"

And "project Hercules"

[hardy linden]

silly goose is here

[patent fern]

project daemon or project invictus or something
now that sounds more like it to me

[patent fern]

that's my point

[full cloak]

isn't that a youtube channel

[patent fern]

one of those sounds kinda fire

[hardy linden]

rename it to project icarus after its shot down 💀

[patent fern]

you are funny

[dense pebble]

First one is the name of my car bro

[hardy linden]

damn imagine having a car

[dense pebble]

How else am I going to get to Sydney

Australia is not dense

[hardy linden]

ask mitch for a ride

[full cloak]

alright worst idea time, we can make a reverse of Only Up where you spawn as a plane all the way up in space and you have to slowly glide from platform to platform to get back down to atmosphere

[patent fern]

but the people on the other hand

[hardy linden]

you cant glide if theres no air

[patent fern]

explodes on the first one

[dense pebble]

Nuh uh

[patent fern]

or gear tears off

[hardy linden]

room temperature IQ moment

[full cloak]

isn't gravity also less tho

[hardy linden]

not really

but

engines dont work

[patent fern]

you overestimate structural integrity

[hardy linden]

flaps dont work

[dense pebble]

No

[full cloak]

bleh

[hardy linden]

how can you do anything

[full cloak]

okay nevermind

[patent fern]

you just die

[full cloak]

I mean if you spawn on a slope you can build some speed

[hardy linden]

you suffocate to death

[full cloak]

the world's biggest slide

[hardy linden]

you cant turn

[full cloak]

wheels?

[hardy linden]

if you do, you just die

[patent fern]

the wheels would break off so fast

[hardy linden]

cause you go too fast

yeah

the wings wouldnt generate lift up there

[dense pebble]

Yo let's make bunings

[hardy linden]

wheels would go bye bye

[patent fern]

do what now

[full cloak]

A giant store?

[hardy linden]

the australian home depot

[patent fern]

home depot knockoff

[full cloak]

I'd be down if only there was a lighting option that wasn't spinning helicopters

[hardy linden]

ikea?

[dense pebble]

Huh

[patent fern]

BUNGINGS

[hardy linden]

lol

[dense pebble]

This only sells tools and crap

And plants

I actually really like the garden section

Shits amazing

[hardy linden]

leroy merlin moment

[patent fern]

hardware store
only sells tools and crap

[hardy linden]

😭

where ma shark

[dense pebble]

Does your home dept sell doors?

[patent fern]

yea

[full cloak]

we can make Buc-ees' largest gas station but have it cover the entire map

[hardy linden]

where blahaj

[hardy linden]

who was it who said no to a 10km plane thing?

[patent fern]

for a second i thought we were taking this seriously

[dense pebble]

Wait

[hardy linden]

oh, right

[dense pebble]

Bunnings was established in 1887

HOL UP

Nah this shit ain't right

[hardy linden]

help my arm is creaking

im not even 18

what the hell

[dense pebble]

Ah, founded in the 1800

[full cloak]

okay okay let's roll it back a bit what are we doing

[patent fern]

knee been creaking since 16 welcome to the party

brb

[dense pebble]

Thinking of a name

[hardy linden]

lets make stonehedge fr

[dense pebble]

SPRB

[full cloak]

we can come up with the name at the end

[dense pebble]

For the thread...

[full cloak]

General Thread will suffice

[hardy linden]

super secret project even its devs dont know the name

SSPEIDDKTN feels good

[full cloak]

We'll post the thread when the map is actually in some kind of playable state

as for Stonehenge

hm

[dense pebble]

Hehehehe

[hardy linden]

so what are we building again?

[full cloak]

okay first of all are we using anything as a base

[hardy linden]

zomg my arm isnt creaking anymore

[full cloak]

we gonna use Total War or just tabula rasa blank slate

[hardy linden]

hmm

[dense pebble]

@full cloak the enemy also has objectives

[hardy linden]

no

lets not

[dense pebble]

We can use that as timer 2

[full cloak]

okay blank slate

[hardy linden]

lets just use the empty map

[dense pebble]

I just realised lol

[full cloak]

we already established that, we should only need 1 timer

[hardy linden]

and build it in the desert for obvious reasons

[full cloak]

okay tabula rasa it is

[hardy linden]

tabula rasa

what does that mean

[full cloak]

blank slate

[hardy linden]

sounds spanish

[dense pebble]

If we up it to 2, we can have more fun

[full cloak]

we don't need 2 fukken timers

just sync it to 1

[dense pebble]

Hehehehe

[full cloak]

we can literally choose a common denominator

[dense pebble]

Rail gun though

[hardy linden]

yeah we need one

[full cloak]

we can just set the timer to like 30 sec reload and have aircraft spawning every 4 timer triggers or something

[hardy linden]

not 2

[hardy linden]

we can have them spawned via airport

in an inacessible part of the map

[full cloak]

airport for random spawns, timed triggers for special ones

[dense pebble]

Brb I've gotta puke rq

[hardy linden]

👍

just like i always do

[full cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKAe40sEovw

anyw

I mean we have 4 people working on this project

[hardy linden]

btw totally not like i have to go to sleep or ill get spanked

[dense pebble]

Yo kids, don't drink when your older

Just

Dont

[hardy linden]

by myself

[full cloak]

there's 4 large airbases on the island

Scoobe can make Stonehenge on Desert Airbase

[hardy linden]

oh no

[full cloak]

rest of us can make our own superweapon on each airbase

[hardy linden]

i suck at building big stuff

[full cloak]

okay fine Scoobe can set up the timers and I'll make the Stonehenge

[hardy linden]

btw desert isnt one of the biggest airbases

naval is bigger

[dense pebble]

Pan can make T̶̽́h̷͌͐e̶̐̌ ̶͐̐t̶̃̆h̶́̇i̸̍ng

[full cloak]

Naval is going to be the player base

[hardy linden]

that far?

[full cloak]

it's far from everything and easy to defend, we can frame it as like a "take back the continent from the Four Heavenly Kings" or something

[hardy linden]

thats like 60km

[hardy linden]

fair

[dense pebble]

:)

[hardy linden]

would be funny if running out of time would end up in boscali city being blown up

along with naval ofc

[dense pebble]

Pan is goin to make a plane

I might use that secret timer for plane spawning

[full cloak]

running out of time just spawns in 60 Darkreaches with full nuke load

[hardy linden]

btw you can still lose even if you win

maybe make some sort of thing to stop the timer from completing if you win?

[full cloak]

Faction victory obj?

[hardy linden]

so if it was a tank timer it would be a ton of tanks blocking it

[hardy linden]

nope

doesnt stop the timer

[patent fern]

+1

[full cloak]

well yeah but players see the Mission Accomplished screen and that's all they need

[patent fern]

i'm best at making defense compositions, not creating superstructures

[hardy linden]

btw dont spawn 60 darkreaches or the game will crash prob

[patent fern]

that's more y'alls court

[dense pebble]

Also if you want to build big creations, use blender

[patent fern]

no

[full cloak]

nah I just handcraft them

[hardy linden]

Im pretty good at triggers and objectives and stuff ig

[full cloak]

the jank is part of the charm

[patent fern]

most of my work is in making defense weapons compositions

pan obviously did the big building on my mission

[dense pebble]

Lol, I use blender

[hardy linden]

I just make missions

[dense pebble]

Than Port it over

[full cloak]

hm

maybe we can try something else then

I guess we're really geared on making one, maybe two big threats at most and the rest is attrition through regular units

[hardy linden]

nah screw this im forcing pan to mske the stonehedge

[dense pebble]

Deal

[hardy linden]

ig i can build it tbh

[hardy linden]

fine

[full cloak]

I have an idea for stonehenge

[hardy linden]

lets build it

hell yeah

[full cloak]

that kinda fits how it works in AC4

so each of the cannons is stationary

[hardy linden]

yeah?

wait how will we build the cannons?

💀

[patent fern]

i have no idea

that's why i'm kind of lost at this whole idea

[dense pebble]

Platforms

[patent fern]

wouldn't this just sit there and be cosmetic only

[hardy linden]

also why not combine stonehedge and the cannon from ac6?

[full cloak]

when it fires it spawns a line of platforms that immediately explode from helicopter-munitions trucks explosions, and then the platforms fall and squish anybody unlucky enough to be underneath

[hardy linden]

lol

[patent fern]

[full cloak]

the cannons themselves can just be rotated control towers

we rig the lines of platforms up to timers and copy them several times so that they can fire multiple times over the course of the mission

[hardy linden]

why not make them explode and make them shoot debries like squeegy did?

[full cloak]

because short range and not flashy

well okay a little bit flashy but its more like a shotgun than a railgun

[hardy linden]

the explosions are really flashy

[patent fern]

stonehenge was not a short range weapon

[full cloak]

yeah the explosion itself is really small if you're not super close

[patent fern]

well

it could be USED as one but

[hardy linden]

I mean this would happen when they fire plus would do sth wherever it "hits"

[full cloak]

stonehenge was always just fired straight up in the air, the shockwave is what kills

[hardy linden]

munitions trucks then

they make shockwaves

[full cloak]

well the platform idea already has that

[fair lava]

'GUNNER, CANISTER!'

[hardy linden]

canister gunpod?

project wingman?

[full cloak]

it just adds falling platforms as an extra thing because it's accurate to how AC4 portrayed Stonehenge shots as "holy shit the sky is falling"

large platform has about the same area as a munitions truck explosion anyway

[hardy linden]

would look weird

like the round is going up

not down

[full cloak]

the round is a straight line

ah just let me try implementing the shot first and then we can judge

[hardy linden]

fine

for now imma go snooze to not get spanked by my own mind

gn ppl

[full cloak]

gn

[patent fern]

you guys are talking some of the wackiest stuff i've ever heard for plans so honestly as long as y'all doing this craziness i'm good

lmao

thought it'd be like, lets do a boss rush, not hey lets literally remake stonehenge offensive

[hardy linden]

lets remake the entiriety of all the ac games in one mission

[patent fern]

i wanted to redo shattered skies back when spawn timings didnt work right

[hardy linden]

okay imma go to sleep now so that i can talk to my psychologist in the morning

[patent fern]

then they worked and i cba'd

[full cloak]

...eh

can't get the rotation right on the cannon but I'll leave that to Pan to figure out

now to do some linear algebra

[full cloak]

agh points in 3d space suck

[full cloak]

hm

my helo-munitions truck bombs aren't working

they're still shooting the chassis instead of the container

oh

okay they kinda work now

[full cloak]

ayfkm it works when they spawn at the start but not when they spawn from a mission trigger WHY

??????

they're ejecting as soon as they spawn in

w h y

maybe it's because they know they're going to crash I guess

hm

how do I fix that....?

IT WORKS

KIND OF

@patent fern pretty sure you're the only one up to see this

semi-working proof of concept

[patent fern]

nice sound editing work

[full cloak]

unfortunately the large platforms despawn too quickly so they can't really squish anything

so darkreach fragmentation is probably the way to go

[patent fern]

i didnt know they even despawned out of the air

my only real question is why did you take the effort to edit in all those sounds for this tiny clip

[full cloak]

I didn't, I just played a youtube video in the background while I recorded using nvidia's recording thingy

I had to do multiple takes anyway so I just timed how long it would take to hit the waypoint and then guesstimated it from there, the rest was pure luck

anyway my takeaways from doing all this is that uh

1. longer intervals is the way to go, I had 15 fukken points along the line of fire and the visual effect would still be just as impressive with half that number or even just a third

2. falling platforms will despawn in the air, don't rely on them, instead use darkreach fragmentation

3. helos will instantly eject if they're spawned above ground after Mission Start

4. in order to reliably trigger helo-hlt bombs, the HLT needs to be sunken into the ground by ~2m or the helo must be spawned in the air, with point (3) being a major limitation

5. use enemy helos and friendly HLTs to make red markers instead of blue ones like what I did

6. dud rate of helo-HLT bomb is roughly 10% (1-2 in 15)

final verdict: Stonehenge is plausible to make, will need extensive JSON editing and also someone with way more patience in rotating objects to get the guns pointed the right way

[patent fern]

so basically

we're sentencing pan to exponentially more suffering than when she made the carriers

got it

[full cloak]

eh, if we're collaborating on this, I only need some specific deliverables from her

I mainly need help with getting the rotation angles on the cannons right

and then after that, just a whole bunch of copy+pasting stuff with objectives to get the timers running

mmh

well, maybe we'll get it sorted next time we're all up. Either way, proof of concept is done, we just need to see how far we can run with it

[dense pebble]

Easy

But how big do we want the cannon?

[full cloak]

I literally just used one control tower and tilted the tower 60 degrees

[full cloak]

^

extremely lazy way to do it

[dense pebble]

But do we want the cannon to be small or large homie

[full cloak]

medium size because there's going to be multiple of them

original mission had them in 3 pieces but I think we can do it with just 2

[dense pebble]

R a g h

Fine

Hmmm

[full cloak]

bigger task for you would be the r i n g

original stonehenge is 8 cannons mounted on a ring with a jammer in a middle and AA defenses all around the outer edge

not sure how true to the original we want to be or if we want to add some of our own flair to it though

[dense pebble]

I can get it as close as you want

[topaz locust]

I have no idea what stonehenge is, but I just realised instead of writing console applications I should be making a unity project for the sole purpose of megastructure engineering

[full cloak]

https://acecombat.fandom.com/wiki/Stonehenge_(Strangereal)

[topaz locust]

Also, idea: giant armoured dome around a whole airbase.

The dome can be generated in code so it's perfectly round

[full cloak]

the buff that Mountain Airbase needs

[topaz locust]

If I pull some meshes out of the game I could even do a neat job of it with nothing left under the terrain

[dense pebble]

In NO

Just use blender

[topaz locust]

Do you have a python script that poops out all the positions?

[dense pebble]

Nah, I'll just go in and place all the platforms, doing them all separately

Also allows for some minor adjustments

Instead of re-writing code to fix an error

[topaz locust]

My intention is just to place all the models 1:1 in an otherwise empty unity project and hit a button that shits out the same json format

[dense pebble]

Ah

Eh I'm a masochist

So, not really gonna happen with me

[full cloak]

right I forgot we all have different workflows

I guess if I were to do this I'd whip a quick script up in matlab that just does all the linear algebra to get me a set amount of points for a 3d line and then fprintfs it all in json pasteable format

man I wanted Mitch to do all the coding

is my matlab license expired already? shit maybe its time to learn C# for real

[topaz locust]

If that's all you're using it for you may as well whip open unity and just have all the transformation stuff

[hardy linden]

Im pretty sure this doesnt always happen

[full cloak]

idk it happened to all 15 choppers in the line

[hardy linden]

there were too many then

keep the aircraft number below 15

[full cloak]

it works if they spawned in the air at mission start but if they spawn at an objective trigger they all eject

however if I put them on the ground

or, well, on a platform, it works

my assumption is that the AI sees that it's too far above the ground and can't recover the engine in time and thus automatically ejects

[hardy linden]

I dont think thats the case

[full cloak]

since it's based on the helicopter AI

[hardy linden]

happens to planes too

it might be the case but i dont think it is

[full cloak]

either way, it works with platforms so that's what I'm using

[hardy linden]

Wish it was possible to just spawn in munitions

this would be so much easier

[dense pebble]

Indeed

[hardy linden]

would make my life so much less painful

also supersonic cruise missiles when?

[dense pebble]

@obtuse wadi

Please add

[hardy linden]

guys we are gonna have to make it possible to fly under the railguns

because else its not gonna be cool enough

[dense pebble]

Indeed

Gonna make that ring a tunnel run

[hardy linden]

time to remake the tunnel run from star wars

IV of course

time to remake the warthhog run from halo CE but as a cricket

💀

[hardy linden]

that would honestly be pretty fun to fly through

[hardy linden]

did some research, apparently stonehendge guns are 250m long

this means the stonehenge circles' diameter is like 5km at least

[fair lava]

They are anti-asteroid railguns, afterall

[hardy linden]

nvm turns out if the guns are 250m, the diameter is like 3.5km

hmm

one gun will be bigger than my aircraft carrier 💀

thats bad, isnt it?

[fair lava]

For the difficulty making it, probably

[hardy linden]

yeah

kinda feel like itd be cool if you had to fly into the barrel like with the chandalier in ac6

but there are 6 guns

or 8

dont rememebr

[fair lava]

8

[full cloak]

ain't no way the gun is 250m

[fair lava]

They're pretty big

[weak dirge]

well i hope more basic building blobk is added

[hardy linden]

the web cant lie

😭

[hardy linden]

btw found this image somewhere

yeah they are big af

[full cloak]

[fair lava]

that looks smaller than the one in the games anyway

they're MASSIVE

meant to shoot asteroids out of earth's orbit

or atleast out of intercept

[full cloak]

okay I guess the caliber is 120cm

shiet

welp, Pan has a lot of work to do then

they feel a lot smaller in the game tbh

then again the ring completely dwarfs the airbase next to it so I guess it makes sense. Wonder if we have enough space at Desert Airbase after all

[hardy linden]

the ring is like 3.5km if the cannon is 250m

in diameter

[full cloak]

for reference Schwerer Gustav caliber is 80cm but only 32.5m long

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/GeschützDora2.JPG

the aspect ratio looks somewhat similar

[fair lava]

It has alot thicker of a barrel for the electromagnetic assistance, though

So it's gun is probably alot bigger than a typical chemical 120cm

It also does have a bit longer of a snoot on the stonehenge it appears

[full cloak]

putting that aside there's no way we're going to be able to fit that in the area around desert airbase

we'd definitely have to downscale it

[hardy linden]

we can have it west of desert

partially above water?

OR

south of desert

would be best

theres alot of space there

[full cloak]

I mean I guess if it fits it fits

We're covering the whole damn place up with platforms anyway for the ring

also we're going to want to rotate all those platforms 180° to get the concrete underside instead of the asphalt top

[hardy linden]

oh no please no

oh no no no

no no no no no

ok yk what imma make the cannons

[full cloak]

lmfao

actually I can maybe make a ring if I write up a script

doesn't need to be the highest resolution because the outer walls will be factories

[hardy linden]

btw what platforms we using?

big or smol

[full cloak]

small seems kinda useless except for detailing

[hardy linden]

fair

[full cloak]

considering the size

nah fam we're using ramps only

[hardy linden]

I was about to say that

btw who is doing what

[full cloak]

I'm still debating between using Matlab or learning python or someshit for this

lmao

[hardy linden]

you can make it in anything

btw you have any coding experience?

I do

[full cloak]

just some dabbling matlab from doing my bachelors

[hardy linden]

I know basic lua

[full cloak]

I mean it seems easy enough because what I have in mind is literally just a function that takes dx, dy, dz, interval, x0, y0, z0, q1, q2, q3, q4, outputs a string of text that can be pasted into json

[hardy linden]

you can always use a slave an unpaid intern for that

just hand them a calculator

[full cloak]

managing slaves is a lot more work than coding, I've played enough adult games to know

like, uh... Rimworld

[hardy linden]

i play brick rigs

i have more experience 💀

i can handle r word idiots going into godmode while using OP vehicles

[dense pebble]

Rookie numbers

[toxic mango]

I put 6 boltstrikes at mountain airbase, in clusters of 3 with an ammo truck and an aerosentry, is it overkill? Or should I mirror it to city airbase

[topaz locust]

That's largely up to you and what you want to be able to get through

stopping a determined player is a fool's errand

[toxic mango]

In total my layout for mountain airbase has 6 IR SAM clusters around the perimeter, each with to linebreaker Sam, and two aerosentry with their ammo truck, and well as the two R Sam clusters

[hardy linden]

depends

dont make double spaag and IR sam combos tho

thats really hard to kill

this basically makes lynchpins the only viable weapon

and NEVER put boltstrikes in groups with the distance between them being under 5km cause thats just unrealistic and stupid

[warm quiver]

Until we have in-game comms you gotta assume someone is attacking it by themself

[hardy linden]

unless you are trying to make something untouchable

[hardy linden]

yup

[warm quiver]

But the moment we can coordinate pincers, a lot of scary stuff will suddenly be easy to take out

[hardy linden]

well we can kind of coordinate rn

[toxic mango]

so 6 of these around base perimeter is overkill?

this is one of the boltsrike clusters, with the other one back there in the distance

[fair lava]

The HLT evens out the difficulty I'd think

[patent fern]

IR and SPAAG clusters aren't so bad, but definitely dont have too many triple boltstrike clusters or you'll get shat on

[toxic mango]

only two for the larger airbases

[hardy linden]

yes

and do not put triple boltstrikes on levelground

thats really stupid

do not put them in clusters

pu them on mountains around the airbase 5km apart

[final pulsar]

this is revoker bait

[topaz locust]

to make boltstrikes a problem, have them far apart so their coverage converges on what you're defending from multiple angles

sticking them together they may as well be one unit

[balmy hill]

can there be two objectives active at the same time
i want ground units to advance on two fronts instead of doing a one road tug of war

also is there a way to make map objects neutral after placing and removing a unit

[patent fern]

not yet

when non-sequential objectives is working yes, but its broken

[balmy hill]

damn

[topaz locust]

You can set waypoints for existing convoys to attack on two fronts, but vehicles produced by depots will come from the one nearest the objective and go to it. Vehicles take around 15 minutes to drive to each airbase, so you only need a few convoys of them to keep up the impression of an attack on two fronts. Also, map objects will start neutral when the map is loaded. Their state isn't saved.

Copy vehicle info copies waypoints btw

[hardy linden]

they turn neutral, but are shown as having a team

restarting the editor fixes this

[topaz locust]

what does the S stand for? is that scale?

[dense pebble]

scale I presume

[obtuse wadi]

that's a vestigial button now

S is for Select

but you can just click on stuff so it's not really needed

[patent fern]

get destroyed

[dense pebble]

Sick

[weak dirge]

cough

[weak dirge]

cough

[topaz locust]

vehicles don't traverse a list of waypoints like I assumed they did. very sad 😦

[weak dirge]

yea it is kinda bad the waypoint

[quaint ore]

Im currently making a custom mission to destroy some units, the 2nd objective is to destroy a set of new units that spawn in after the first are destroyed. the 3rd objective is a wing of fighters that spawns after completing the 2nd objective. The final objective is a waypoint to RTB. Now when i test the mission, the final waypoint objetcive is issued after completing the first objective. And I cannot figure out why. any guesses?

[full cloak]

are your spawn triggers set correctly

[quaint ore]

I've double checked and don't see anything that looks incorrect.

[full cloak]

if an objective starts and there's no targets alive on the kill trigger list then the objective gets skipped

[quaint ore]

that would explain alot

[full cloak]

first set should spawn at mission start, next set should spawn on obj1, and so on, if you have it set right

[quaint ore]

well i have set it to that

also had a bit of an issue with the names not updating

but that fixed itself after a while

[full cloak]

hmm

[hardy linden]

how did you name the targets

[quaint ore]

OBJ 1, OBJ 1.5 and OBJ 2

are my three ID's that I use

[hardy linden]

all related to objrctive one a called OBJ 1?

oof

rookie mistake i also made

[quaint ore]

oh sorry, the names were just "destroy sam site" and "destroy 2nd sam site"

[full cloak]

oh are all the targets named the same

[quaint ore]

OBJ1 etc are the ID's

[hardy linden]

call them a1, a2... then b1, b2... then c1, c2...

[quaint ore]

aah

[full cloak]

^

[quaint ore]

ok ok

[hardy linden]

if multiple have the same name it just breaks

i mean same id

[quaint ore]

seems logical in hindsight

[full cloak]

obj1.1, 1.2, 1.3 could also work but yeah

[hardy linden]

thats a rookie mistake

[full cloak]

need different IDs for every individual unit

[quaint ore]

first time making a mission haha

[hardy linden]

letter of objective number and number works for me ig

[full cloak]

no worries glad we could help I should add this to the faq

[hardy linden]

you should make a steam guide

or have @obtuse wadi make some sort of set of tutorials when you first load into the editor

[quaint ore]

thx for the help! have been pulling my hair out for the last 20 minutes trying to find what was wrong

[full cloak]

don't wanna deal with Steam users lmao

and I don't mean people who use Steam I mean the type of people that actively use Steam community forums

[hardy linden]

yeah

tbh just force ask mitch to add it in when you first use the editor and add a tab for it

[full cloak]

I already gave Mitch permission to repost the faq in the forum guide anyway

except the faq is outdated af and I really really need to update it

[hardy linden]

yeahhh

btw wanna help me make tutorial missions?

like next(not this week's) weekend

[full cloak]

I can't do much other than give consultation

[hardy linden]

I guess that would be fine

[quaint ore]

Its still happening

but now at least the units spawn haha

[final pulsar]

You read some of the steam post to eh? Lol funny stuff

[hardy linden]

if you wanna check if they are ok you can either join my server and get them from there or i can send them here

[hardy linden]

i need to see it

[full cloak]

So the units spawn in but the objective instantly updates to the final one

hmm

And I assume you did update all the objective kill triggers to match the new IDs

[quaint ore]

yes

ive just deleted the final one

and remade it

gonna playtest now

is there any set of cheats i can use for infinite ammo to playtest? Because its getting old real quick haha

[hardy linden]

nope

just boot up gaming music(ace combat and project wignman ost)

[full cloak]

idk you can just spawn in a bunch of friendly ground units around the areas

they'll take care of the SAM sites real quick

remove them once you're done testing

[hardy linden]

or a darkreach

[quaint ore]

been using airwolf theme alot

[full cloak]

Darkreach over SAM sites

[quaint ore]

; )

helps too

[quaint ore]

good idea

[full cloak]

I just have Arma 3 stream vods open in the background

[hardy linden]

damn this looks kinda suspicious

[full cloak]

its a jellyfish with a face sharpied on it

[quaint ore]

still happens pff

now after the 2nd objective

so thats progress

[hardy linden]

yeah jellyfish are kinds weird

[full cloak]

okay now I'm curious

[hardy linden]

I hate jellyfish

i would never touch one

[full cloak]

can you DM me the mission file

[full cloak]

they're delicious

[hardy linden]

wth

do people eat them?

[quaint ore]

also, the third objective's fighters do spawn

its just that the rtb waypoint always gets issued after the 2nd one

[full cloak]

jellyfish salad with sesame seeds is a thing

[hardy linden]

did you set them as targets?

[quaint ore]

yup

[quaint ore]

reassigned all the destroy targets

if it still doesnt work imma send the file

[hardy linden]

what the hell

[quaint ore]

looks real good tho

[hardy linden]

i guess im not asian, i guesd enough

[quaint ore]

me neither but still

love me some good ramen

can't be arsed to make it myself tho

[hardy linden]

kinda looks like jelly

[quaint ore]

hate cookikng hahaha

[hardy linden]

🤔

[full cloak]

it's got the same kind of texture as seaweed salad if you've ever had the stuff at KBBQ or something

[hardy linden]

cooking isnt that bad

[quaint ore]

btw, the fighters spawn too soon now

[hardy linden]

are the objectives called the same thing?

[quaint ore]

no, they have unique names and descriptions

[hardy linden]

descriptions dont matter

so names are diffrent?

check spawn timings for fighters

[quaint ore]

they spawn when the 3rd objective is issued, after you destroy the 2nd sams

but they spawn after the first

[hardy linden]

refresh it

by that i mean set their spawn timing to sth else and back

might help

[quaint ore]

if spawn timing is set to obj c

they spawn when obj c i issued right?

[hardy linden]

when its finished

💀

[quaint ore]

ooh

thatll do it

im guessing the message an objective displays will be displayed if the objective is completed then too?

[hardy linden]

yes

💀

that one is kinda obvious tho

[quaint ore]

yeah i always interpreted it as the message displayed when the objectibe is issued

just like the spawns

got no experience with editors or anything similar

so still learning as i go

[hardy linden]

i had experience with ARMA 2's editor

(its really hard to use tbh)

[quaint ore]

ayy, mission done

finally

[full cloak]

[hardy linden]

🎉

[final pulsar]

[dense pebble]

Hmm, I mean I could?

[final pulsar]

Official job description: unpaid intern

[dense pebble]

:)

Beats being unemploye-

Oh wait

[balmy hill]

bruh my dumbass just found i could rotate objects

[final pulsar]

it's technically a new feature

[patent fern]

that actually just got added recently lol

you valid

[candid abyss]

why does the AI sometimes do this if i spawn it in the mission editor?

[topaz locust]

They really love the ground, a little too much. The inverted dive is to get back down on the deck as fast as possible, but it overcompensates. Try spawning it nearer the ground until it gets better tuned.

[candid abyss]

thanks!

[terse goblet]

for me they just break off hard until they hit something

[dense pebble]

Oooo a mech

Hmm

[hardy linden]

very cursed

but funny legs

[mild nimbus]

Is it possible to restrict a weapon only for a single aircraft? For example, if I wanted to restrict the Cricket from using the AGM-68, but let the Compass continue using it

[obtuse wadi]

it's not possible to restrict weapon mounts per-aircraft, but you could restrict only AGM_heavy and not AGM_heavy_internal which would allow the Compass to carry one internally

[mild nimbus]

Ok, thank you

I think I recognise your name from my beamng days

[lucid elm]

Does anyone have a beginners guide on mission creation? I'm a bit confused by how some of the things work

For instance, what is the point of the refineries and different factory buildings? Do they actually serve a purpose?

The encyclopedia doesn't explain much

[topaz locust]

the pre-placed ones don't do anything, but factories added by the mission control the spawn rates for different units. Planes spawn from airfields belonging to either side (place a ground vehicle near an airfield to "capture" it for a particular team) and ground vehicles spawn from vehicle depot buildings

killing the factories through the course of a game makes the units they produce stop spawning for that team

[lucid elm]

Gotcha, thank you for the help!

[red grail]

Will it be possible, in a not so far future, to set the control and production of pre-placed map objects, such as factories, airbases and radars ?

[hardy linden]

I dont think producing buildings is gonna be added

[red grail]

Well... ok, I meant changing control of the pre-placed buildings directly from the mission editor or json file.
I don't want to make a building produce another building 😄

[topaz locust]

(eventually, yes)

[red grail]

I'd love to give a purpose to storage tanks and refineries... eventually 😉

[red grail]

I have a question regarding the mission editor : how do you set waypoints easily ?
For a tutorial, I just want to give some waypoints to taxi, take off, turn around and land.
I end up having 10 objectives and 2x the number of outcomes (startobjective, stopobjective)... quite tedious just for a simple flight path.
Is it the only way, am I missing something or is there an alternative ??

[topaz locust]

each reachwaypoints objective can have a list of waypoints that you complete in order

as long as you dont need other outcomes inside of that, you can put a whole waypoint path in a single objective

[shrewd wagon]

How does one make an airfield capturable? Do I just have to add capturable buildings within the airfield and let the ground units automatically capture when they are close?

this is the airfield in question

[obtuse wadi]

all airfields are capturable and will be captured automatically by ground vehicles or ships nearby

[untold plover]

Does this include the western Naval base in Escalation? If you put say a BSD ground unit there at match start, does it change over?

Also is there a limit on how many times a base can swap hands?

[topaz locust]

nope - each time it changes hands, all the structures belonging to it are repaired

[untold plover]

Interesting. So when making a map, to make a given base belong to one faction or another, do I just need that faction's vehicles to spawn there?

[warm quiver]

yup

Squeegy actually made a custom mission with this concept

It's a bit outdated now, and he doesn't have the time to maintain it anymore, but it's been played with :)

[untold plover]

Yeah, great game mode.

Ok, currently do any facilities spawn ships?

[warm quiver]

I think one of the devs said they can only be spawned when scripted by objectives

[untold plover]

How do you rotate objects?

[warm quiver]

while placing, move your camera around, its fiddly, but after it's placed, there's a rotate tool in the top right

[untold plover]

Oop, copy. Thank you!

Ok, thank you all for the help. Now that I'm learning how this works, it's actually pretty simple.

At least just for a straight escalation type game.

Anyone have a png of the in-game map, but blank?

[warm quiver]

its in the pins of this channel

[shrewd wagon]

What is the range of capture and how long does it take to capture an airfield? Does every ground vehicle have the capability to capture? Does the rate of capture increase as more vehicles enter the capture area?

[warm quiver]

Capture is instant, I'm not sure of the range but it's not too fussy as long as a vehicle drives onto what you could reasonably consider as the airfield's 'Grounds'

Any ground vehicle can capture, for now, BUT it requires the enemy airbase to be completely eliminated

I think.

[obtuse wadi]

capture is instant if the base is uncontrolled/neutral. Capture takes up to 30 seconds or so if the airbase is already controlled by a faction, faster if there are more capturing vehicles in the area.

[shrewd wagon]

Ahhh I see, it might have been the completely part that could've interfered with the capture

[obtuse wadi]

capture radius is 1km from the center of the airbase

[shrewd wagon]

and there's no capturing if there's anything from the opposite faction within the radius correct? with the exception of maybe air units?

[warm quiver]

That last part I did not know

[obtuse wadi]

only ground vehicles and ships are considered, and yes, no capturing if defenders of those types remain

[shrewd wagon]

awesome. thank you for the replies

[red grail]

can damaged airbases be repaired ?

or is it only when they are captured ?

[terse orchid]

If lost it can only be repaired by overtaking it back from the enemy

[warm quiver]

Partially damaged bases can't be repaired, not yet at least

[red grail]

that what I thought 😦

other question regarding waypoints...
If I set waypoints as 'objective' in the editor, I believe ALL planes of the faction will try to fly to them ?

is there a way to assign waypoints to a single or a group of planes ?

[warm quiver]

Could we get an updated FAQ for the mission editor?
I'm mostly just wanting to know what each objective and objective outcome means specifically

[final pulsar]

Yeah, maybe @obtuse wadi or @gritty willow can maybe start putting together an official how to guide for the rest of us (especially the new features)

[gritty willow]

I can try put together a list to explain what each objective/outcome does sometime tomorrow

[warm quiver]

Mega based, cheers James

[patent fern]

(add an option to disable this at some point pls)

[warm quiver]

I noticed an option to set user-placed buildings as capturable or something but idk if it works

Either way I have a hunch all the airfield QoL stuff will come once we can make custom airfields

[shrewd wagon]

How does one stop this behavior? My assumption is that I have too many units available initially for the faction. I also only have two depots for this faction for what would be a lot of units. I don't understand how depots distribute units exactly either. Do they just deploy from both or does the game pick only one depot to deploy units from factories based on distance to something?

[gritty willow]

here's a list of what all the current objectives and outcomes do
https://gist.github.com/James-Frowen/fef12d60a8132418bdbe9c769bf6fd17

[warm quiver]

🎉

[hardy linden]

@terse orchid cant ping moderator, so pinging you instead. Can you pin this?

[hardy linden]

thank

[dense pebble]

Welp

(Increases the default editor height to 25km)

Buildings and units

[terse goblet]

i would install it but if i do that i have to sacrifice the soundpack

[dense pebble]

You may :/

Hm

I wonder if I can combine the pair

[dense pebble]

If you want, I'll edit your file for ya to save your sound effects

[terse goblet]

hang on, i'll send you thje resource.assets

[dense pebble]

Sick*

uh

@terse goblet your sounds are very broken

oh I think I know why

anyways

[terse goblet]

they are?

[dense pebble]

your mp3 isnt in the file lol

[terse goblet]

i dont know because i'm not the one who put them in there

justicier's pack

[dense pebble]

hm

[dense pebble]

it working?

[terse goblet]

yeah

[warm quiver]

Should I set up this interception in my custom mission to be expected, or a surprise?

I feel like it'd be more fun as a surprise...

though you'd get less payload for it and it means I need to do more fiddling with objective triggers

[dense pebble]

Surprise

[warm quiver]

a snek of culture

hopefully we'll be able to add dialogue as subtitles eventually, instead of little text up top that everyone seems to miss