Game Night Series

[strange stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/davy-jones-liar-liars-dice-potc-sea-of-thieves-gif-22469137

New suggestion : Perudo or I don't know what it's called in English ...maybe "Call My Bluff" or "Liar's Dice" To be clear, the pirate of the caribbean dice game

[honest tinsel]

What do you need to play it?

[strange stratus]

5 dices each player

[honest tinsel]

So you could just have 5 dices lol

[strange stratus]

xD y but how to hide dices for bluff ?

could be fun using a pz vanilla cup or bowl

[short yew]

Perudo a great drinking game

Everyone rolls 5 dice under a cup, and the only information you have is what your rolls are. Everyone else's dice is hidden under their cup

Could work once the "hand" system is in place

[honest tinsel]

Ah I wasn't aware of that part

[stuck yoke]

Battleship is coming?

[short yew]

Anyone play with POGs in the school yard back in the mid 90s?

[strange stratus]

Memory Unlocked

[cinder tide]

nice one

[cinder tide]

good suggestion

[short yew]

@honest tinsel I found some much better quality sources for the tarot card images, especially for the Tarot2 deck. They're not blurry anymore and the caption at the bottom is fully readable. One thing, they're the original 200px width if you don't mind. 200px is already at the lower limit the caption being readable, and it's important to be able to read it

Also is there a way to set the default flip state of a card to face up. Makes more sense for prayer cards to be face up by default.

Updated my github repo with changes

[honest tinsel]

I think for tarrot cards having it be slightly larger is ok

I can add something for flip states

I would probably only say the edges of the cards could be cleaned up a bit - but I can do that later

[short yew]

Awesome, I can even clean up the edges later. Haven't come up with a Photoshop workflow for doing it quickly yet

[honest tinsel]

I was just going to drop in a warmish gray outline

taking it back to a little pixel art-esque

I was also thinking of ways to make card piles visible so that might help

[short yew]

Seeing piles will be really helpful for readability. Would help with the Pogs thing I'm working on too lol

Had a question: Pogs needs a new type of interaction with a deck, I'm calling it "Slam". Essentially, what it needs to do is randomly flip cards in a deck. So when you "slam" a deck with 6 cards, there is like a 25% chance a card gets flipped. As well the deck breaks apart and the cards are scattered in random direction and distance around the deck. Can this be done as a function in the Implement lua file?

[honest tinsel]

Partially why I was reminded about it lol

[honest tinsel]

It can be done as a function yes

I was also going to make the boxes have a function - where if you drag the pieces from the box it arranges them in the game start scenario

I need to probably refactor the entire mod in regards to game pieces and cards 😅

just trying to put it off

alot of things decks can do are inherited from game pieces

but at some point I added stacking game pieces - but the search function wouldnt work with that like poker chips - and neither would flip

[short yew]

It's becoming a full on sub-game within the game 😄

[honest tinsel]

Yeah, the framework is pretty solid - I spent almost a year on it off and on

Which makes adding more stuff very easy

[short yew]

Did you see the commision message on Occult workshop page?

Also just noticed it's almost #1 on workshop 😁

[honest tinsel]

I did not 😮

[honest tinsel]

Cyberpunk fell off the top 9, but Occult will carry on 🪦

I think it speaks to the content size / theme

[strange stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/negan-gif-25797893

[short yew]

Been having trouble understanding how to add the "Slam" action to the context menu 😵‍💫

[honest tinsel]

That'd be something I would need to write probably lol

[short yew]

lol guess I’ll hold off on that for now then. The other aspects of the mod are mostly done, it’s just the slam in menu, and tweaking the distro. For collectible type items, I don’t want them to be found as a complete sets which defeats the purpose of collectibles so I was thinking of adding something that subtracts from the decks when they’re generated they will all be incomplete in different, random ways; like a function that randomly deletes most entries of the deck items until only a dozen or so are left in the deck. Not sure if that’s the best way to go about that though

[honest tinsel]

For distribution you can't fill the pack beyond it's capacity

so what you could do is lower the chances to very very small and make multiple rolls

alternatively if you use something like unseal - you can better control the distribution by not using PZ's distro

[short yew]

Would this method make it still spawn as a deck, but with just a fraction of what the full deck contains?

[honest tinsel]

No, that I'd need to write I think - making the pz distro work with it wouldn't really fit

Also game night fell off the top 9

😩

If you make a pog repo I can help you out on it @short yew

[short yew]

It's bound to happen. Every new add-on will give a boost to the older ones. And once the line up is filled out more and more people know about the mod, add-ons should have good legs outside of workshop algorithm

Invited you to the repo

[honest tinsel]

Also:

[short yew]

It’s Pogman!

[short yew]

Spiffo can meet Pogman

[honest tinsel]

You got a repo?

[short yew]

https://github.com/oppolla/game-night-pogs

[honest tinsel]

Oh wait I forgot you invited me lol

[short yew]

Yeah, I thought I remembered sending the invite lol

[short yew]

So with the Pogs, I modified the rotate from the Tarot so the pieces randomly rotate the full 360 when drawn. Then for the "Slam" action, I was trying to do something like a looped "Deal" action until the deck is empty, sending each card to a random location (should probably make it radiate out from the location of the deck or limit the random within a certain range of the deck). Then after, each slammed Pog has a 25% chance to flip, minus any mood/hunger debuffs. Wasn't able to test this far because I couldn't add to the Context menu, which is where I left it

[honest tinsel]

I'll have to sit down with it soon

Currently working on EHE stuff

[short yew]

Cool, whenever you have time

It’s been nice going back in time thinking about these old games that were popular back then. Some are still popular, others are basically lost to time

[honest tinsel]

The server formerly used for game night testing will now be known simply as my test server. Currently testing EHE.

https://discord.com/channels/908422782554107904/1214614856762794064

You can still test game night stuff, as the spawn in location is safe to play in.

[umbral seal]

✅ Added ugc watcher (#16773) for Game Night to #1154578721924194384.

[uneven prairie]

Chuckleberry Finn

Game Night

• Added piece rotation support (drag and scroll).
• Catan: Remade roads to work with rotation.
• Remove piece cool-down in SP.
• Added cool-down setter when picking pieces up.
• Added new dealCards function.

Tags

Build 41
Framework
Misc
Multiplayer
Pop Culture
Silly/Fun

Type

Item

File Size

18.225 MB

Steam Client Link

steam://url/CommunityFilePage/3058279917

Project Zomboid · Feb 19, 2024, 5:41 AM

[honest tinsel]

Neat

[stuck yoke]

yayyy

[strange stratus]

@honest tinsel Hello , input idea: would it be possible to run mame32 games with the game night interface? making all the arcade machines usable? Or maybe I'm dreaming too much?

[honest tinsel]

Mama32?

I looked into Lua Roms

It exists but it would need a whole new rendering system I imagine for the graphics

Would be sick to have Pokemon Roms and stuff

Also wouldn't be part of GameNight at that point lol

[strange stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/pacman-games-gaming-retro-arcade-gif-8061933

[short yew]

I've wondered about somehow getting DOSBox to run in PZ (PZ-Dos), but it's probably way too hard to do lol

[honest tinsel]

https://github.com/zeta0134/LuaGB

I think this is what I ran into before

[short yew]

There's the computer mod by Voldar on the Workshop that has a working screen so rendering graphics within in game itself is possible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg-obeMNriA

[honest tinsel]

Well yeah the UI stuff is possible, its just alot of work lol

[keen pollen]

immersion thing, but it would be cool if boredom went down and happiness went up while playing the games 😄

[honest tinsel]

Bordome should be going down, didn't think to do happiness. 😅

[keen pollen]

ok yeah it is doing boredom woops

very hostile start to the game

[meager lantern]

@honest tinsel dudeeee this mod is awesome!!!!! been playing cards with some friends for a while now and were having a blast. we actually made a zombie free server just to play games haha

i wanted to ask, is there any chance of a magic the gathering plug in coming in the future?? i dont know if theres a way to build your own deck and change around the cards, but maybe a couple of prebuilt decks would be cool!

opening boosters or finding single cards to add to your collection would be so dope

i can picture me and my friends looting stores trying to get all the boosters and then playing with our new decks

also playing gwent using the original cards from the witcher 3 would be so fun!!

anyways maybe its asking too much, i really now nothing about coding; buttttt im a graphic and 3d designer, so i could take care of all the graphic work! (even if its not for mtg or gwent haha)

i just really loved the mod and would be happy to help

🙂

also! id love to make minis for dnd and maybe warhammer so if you want me to just let me know!

oh and i also speak spanish in case you need translations or anything

thats it haha, thanks for making this mod man! cheers

[cinder tide]

so back at the start of game night development AFAIK someone was working on several card based mods
MTG alpha set, but it was for use with another mod, I am not sure what ended up happening with the modder
assets were finished I think, chuck might now what ended up happening with it

if you wanted to go about it on your own, you could probably rip a tabletop simulator mod and get card scans from them for a base
if you don't own TTS, steam cmd u can download workshop items. but not sure if it will work with TTS.

[meager lantern]

thankss ill give it a try! is there any tutorial or some sort of guide on how to make a game night plugin? ive never made anything like this before

also, is the deckbuilding idea possible?

[short yew]

I have the art for the Alpha Set ready to go into a mod, but there are a few complicated features that are needed to properly do MTG, like deckbuilding and also close-up view of cards because the text is so small, it's not legible at the size the playing cards are

[honest tinsel]

:0

[short yew]

There's another mod in the works, when that's done, I was planning to look more into MTG

[honest tinsel]

I got pulled into EHE testing, but searching a deck is basically deck building

[short yew]

The system I was thinking was having different cards pools. Red, White, Green, Black, Blue + their mana. (Maybe even have a rare pool with Black Lotus) Then having a list of all the color combos and the system building decks based on that

So for a 60 card Boros deck (Red/White), it pulls 10 red mana, 10 white mana, 20 red cards, 20 white cards, all at random from the pools

That way every deck found in the world would be unique

And of course players would be able to customize their own decks

[honest tinsel]

Ah for deck packs or builder packs

Yeah that should be doable too

For the unseal option or when decks are first discovered

[meager lantern]

yesss i was thinking of making a textless version of the cards kinda like mtg arena with just the name, att/def, cmc and picture; and then maybe a little info button like the one with the mod instructions to display the card effects and text (just an idea tho, i dont even know if thats doable)

[meager lantern]

ohh thats rightt duh, ill start playing around with this tomorrow then and see what i can come up with!

[meager lantern]

that could actually work for the boosters too!

i think ill start with a couple of my own decks to get familiarized with the mod

ill show you what i come up with later!

thanks guys, i swear ive been wishing for something like this for ever haha, it actually makes so much sense to go around the world collecting cards and building decks to play against other people

a couple of my friends who dont even like zomboid actually want to start playing just to do that haha

[short yew]

https://ufile.io/4uqgytdg
These are all the cards from the Limited Edition set I put together if you want to play around with it. Wanted to keep it to that version for lore accuracy reasons

Got scans from Scryfall and organized and cleaned them up

Thing is the resolution of the cards is the minimum they can be. Any smaller and they can't be read so there needs to be a way for the cards to be scaled down in Game Night, with the option for a close look that shows the full res

[honest tinsel]

This can be done

There's an option for hard overwrite of texture size

I'll need to test it out

Can also add deck building features into the base mod

[short yew]

Would also be useful for the Pogs add-on

[honest tinsel]

To view them in detail?

[short yew]

the deck building

so every set you find in the world is random

[honest tinsel]

Well that can already be a thing tbh

The current way decks are defined just use the names/textures etc

The way to randomize it would be to simply exclude some names lol

Like 1 list of all the cards, then you build a list using some RNG

I know a lot of TCGs have a pool per package

Some have standard sets

[meager lantern]

yesss

there are also prebuilt decks that are kinda shitty

so it would be cool to be able to find the prebuilt decks

and start opening boosters to improve them

and finding a couple of singles here and there

and then decks that are not sealed, that were actually made by someone before the apocalypse

or binders with random cool cards

just throwing ideas haha

[honest tinsel]

All good ideas. There are outlines in the mod files, but I need to make an official guide too.

Would help get more people involved.

[meager lantern]

yess i checked the uno and poker cards and got a hang of how the system works, its pretty well explained! maybe recording the making of one of the plug ins helps too

ill see if i can get a couple of the guys i used to play mtg with involved

theres a couple of programmers that might want to give us a hand

[cinder tide]

Card zoom I think chuck and I talked about while ago for sure it’s a must have in tts card games are unplayable without

[cinder tide]

Imagine pulling a black lotus but it’s the apocalypse. 📉

[short yew]

In the Implement lua in Game Night, does the applyItemDetails.addDeck

happen every time an item is found, or once at start?

[honest tinsel]

Once to 'register' the deck

But applyGameNightToItem is done per item

[short yew]

Is there an example of applyGameNightToItem being used?

[honest tinsel]

In applyGameNightToInventory

Which in turn is applied in:

function applyItemDetails.applyToInventory(ISInventoryPage, step)
    if step == "begin" then
        applyItemDetails.applyGameNightToInventory(ISInventoryPage.inventory)
    end
end

function applyItemDetails.applyToFillContainer(contName, contType, container)
    applyItemDetails.applyGameNightToInventory(container, true)
end

So on the begin step of inventory render

and when containers are filled

When items are 'applied' onto it's only ran once, the item is added to a list

[short yew]

Took at stab at the MTG deck builder system. Super, super rough. Is this the right direction for something like this? It's supposed to go before applyGameNightToItem

Wasn't sure how the register work so I combined all the tables into one to register them all

[honest tinsel]

I will look this over, and also help with Pogs when I get the chance to sit down.

The MTG decks so far are starter decks? All identical?

I was thinking about booster packs, and I think registering them as decks actually doesn't work cause it's a one time thing.

So I'll probably add a function similar to unsealing boxes.

I'm sure booster packs have a pool of cards with known % chances. That can still be a list, just not a "deck".

[cinder tide]

Alpha boosters had 15 cards
1 land
10 common
3 uncommon
1 rare

[honest tinsel]

So we'd just need pools of each

[short yew]

Right now I just made randomly generated 60 card decks based on different colour combos. But the recipes could can be adapted for boosters as well

Not sure how deck compatibly works though so the way I tried to do it, the mod night not consider them to be the same set of cards

[honest tinsel]

I think they need to be the same item type iirc

I had to add that protection cause of issues caused by mixing uno cars and playing cards

[meager lantern]

hey guys whats up, ive been playing around with the mod and made spanish playing cards

i wanted to start with something easy before getting to mtg

i tried to make a script for the boosters with the help of chatgpt but i couldnt get it to work xd, so i think ill stick to making textures

if you need any help with that let me know!

or if you can share some beginner modding tutorials so i can start learning and maybe give you a hand with scripts in the future id be really grateful!

[cinder tide]

I think Chuck and oppolla are working on some type of booster pack distribution system! (Or at least discussing it the past few days.) You've come at the right time.

They look great. Nice job

[honest tinsel]

Also if you'd like I can also help with your card game + make a poster

If you have a GitHub repo or workshop

[rain summit]

does anyone know on the "game night" mod some of the items say "in use" and cant be moved is there a fix? we don't wanna have to pick up the board mid game

[cinder tide]

@honest tinsel

[honest tinsel]

You will unfortunately have to pick it up.

[short yew]

Is there a specific type of image file Game Night needs? Been trying to get the cards to work with the mod but it's failing at addDeck

I've tried every possible thing I can think of but it's always crashing on start. Even with a single card deck

😭

[honest tinsel]

The image shouldn't matter

[short yew]

Even used the old working playing card one and swapped out only the image and it's still failing

[honest tinsel]

Are you working on MTG too?

[short yew]

Yeah

Well trying to but I can't get past step 1

[honest tinsel]

Got a repo?

[short yew]

I nuked everything several times now

It's a mess, no repo

[honest tinsel]

My guess is the format is off

I was also thinking about it and it would probably need something specific to make mtg work

[short yew]

I just want the cards in so I can play around with it

[honest tinsel]

The 'Deck' would need to be the entire card catalogue

If you make a repo I can take a look

[short yew]

I'll get one up. I rage deleted so much lol

https://github.com/oppolla/game-night-magic-the-gathering

Gonna take a break. I'm too tilted rn lol

[honest tinsel]

No worries, these are sort of huge under takings lol

[cinder tide]

modding like nurver

[short yew]

Okay I sat back down cleaned it up so the idea comes across better. I included two versions. I think the alt version of the implement lua is better, I went with the current as a desperate attempt to get the cards to generate. Still can't get it to for some reason

What I have there is most of what's needed to play the game from a purely gameplay perspective. Card scale/zoom is the only other thing

Don't really know how decks work under the hood so it could be a lot more complicated

[short yew]

Worked on it a bit more yesterday. It’s as good as I can do without actually being able to test it

[honest tinsel]

Sorry, got side tracked with other stuff

[honest tinsel]

Restructured Pogs mod to workshop folder style

and updated both mod's IDs (MTG and Pogs) to fit the styling

weird, I can't find the pogs mod in the list

fixed

[honest tinsel]

There's a few slammer icons missing btw - idk if specific numbers are required/expected

slammer series1 8, 9, 28 - all the pogs are accounted for

ah 8 and 9 were under 'metal'

[honest tinsel]

Pogs seem ironed out

I still need to work on the slamming aspect

also ran into some potential sync issues and resolved them

gamenight needs to be updated to make pogs work 100%

Not sure how pogs come distributed - but some sort of pack mechanic needs to be implemented for both pogs and MTG

[short yew]

Thanks for cleaning them up!

Not fully sure how to do slamming yet, like if it's just a right-click context menu option, or if players should also have a slammer in primary/secondary and it also gets randomly placed onto the UI after the slam action

Is it possible for an add-on to connect directly to applyGameNightToItem and bypass the deck catalogue part to build the items? That was kinda the direction I went with for MTG

I made seperate tables for the different pools. Combined them to make the catalogue, then have a different system that builds the decks from the seperate tables and sends it directly to applyGameNightToItem

[honest tinsel]

I'd need to see it in action - jabnt looked at MTG yet

[honest tinsel]

@short yew I'm adding tooltips as part of the trading card game aspect - is there a list of these? 😅

Or do you think that would be overkill(?)

[short yew]

list?

Like for the text on the cards?

[honest tinsel]

Yeah

Thinking ahead

I guess having the larger texture appear as a tooltip works too

[short yew]

The text would probably have to be manually typed out for each card, or at best manually copy and pasted. Feels redundant if card zoom becomes a thing

Adding too much UI on top of games feels like it strays from the character of the games to me

There's something about the cards being all there is feels more pure to me

Tool tips that help navigate the UI could be helpful though if future games start adding more unique mechanics specific to each game

[honest tinsel]

There's already tooltip stuff for pieces - the monopoly board has them

Hopefully the zoom is works out lol

[short yew]

Yeah, tooltip is always a fallback. I'm willing to manually type or copy paste it all if it comes to that lol

Would increase the workload by a lot for any future expansion sets others would want to add though

There's also the issue of symbols in the text

[honest tinsel]

Actually I think you can embed those using textures

but yeah would kill scaling

[honest tinsel]

I noticed that there are rare lands, are those also counted as lands for the packs? or do they count as rares in that case?

Also where do artifacts fit in?

[short yew]

I'm not fully sure how rare lands fits into deck building. They're rare cards so they wouldn't be in too many decks. Maybe reserve them for only packs? @cinder tide might have a better understanding of them

For artifacts, I was thinking cutting an amount of normal cards and replacing them with artifacts. So for a mono White deck, have 24 normal white cards, + 12 artifacts

And proportionally the same for duo decks

[honest tinsel]

Do they not come in boosters?

[short yew]

They're also in boosters, and I think they can range from common to rare

But that needs to be defined first

I half did it

[honest tinsel]

Did the alpha set sell static decks?

Like starter decks

[short yew]

There's a starter set you could get which is still random

So for a 60 card starter set you'd have like 2 rares, 6 uncommon, and the rest commons and lands

Not sure how the colors were divided in the starter though. Maybe @meager lantern might know

[honest tinsel]

I redid the catalogue building to be a bit easier to scale around

I think for the rarities, it's just a matter of relisting them unfortunately

[cinder tide]

I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure there were only dual lands back then

[honest tinsel]

artifacts seem to just be rare or uncommon

[cinder tide]

un-fuckin real i saw tropical islands in unsorted boxes back in the day

never realized how much they were worth

[honest tinsel]

gd

I wonder why some are more expensive?

[cinder tide]

im assumed it counted as a rare and not at as a land

[honest tinsel]

I think so too

is there a list of artifact rarities?

[cinder tide]

more desireable mana color combinations

or just how many were produced ig

[honest tinsel]

found one

[honest tinsel]

And to clarify lands are not counted in the common/uncommon pool right?

[short yew]

I won’t be home til later tonight but I can finish the rarity table. Only reason I stopped was I thought there might be a better way

[honest tinsel]

No rush

[short yew]

Lands are their own pool

[honest tinsel]

I applied the artifacts rarities

All that is missing is I assume the huge pool of uncommon cards?

[short yew]

Boosters only have 1 though

Land

[honest tinsel]

Yeah but I'm guessing of the available cards a few are U

Going with this approach

These are the internal card IDs in the deck object

I have the card names in the main table using altNames

For the booster mechanic I'm thinking it can create a deck object then fill it accordingly

You have most of it it looks like

General idea of it

[honest tinsel]

I assume this game is easier to implement? 😅

If you need help with it lmk

I suggest making a repo on github if possible

Going to add the booster logic if possible into base game night

not sure how that's going to look, may have to stay in MTG - but if trading card games work - that would be rad

I tried reading out to the MTG mod author previously but they never responded

this was way back when

and the pokemon card mod author is probably a no-go

[honest tinsel]

Forgot I made the search scale

[cinder tide]

quality looks great

[short yew]

Wow that was quick, looks great!

How were you thinking of doing the card zoom? Right click context menu, hot key?

[honest tinsel]

Thinking about that

maybe context menu + if you hover over the card without interacting with it?

[short yew]

In tabletop simulator I think it’s a hot key + hover which I found worked well

[honest tinsel]

Could use shift for it

fits in with shift+click

[short yew]

Curious what was wrong with my implement lua that made it not work. It was driving me crazy lol

[honest tinsel]

There was some stuff towards the bottom missing ends

half of the file was getting eaten - probably breaking the file itself

[short yew]

That sounds like something my code would have 💀

[short yew]

Would using shift make flipping a harder? There’s also a “tap” function that I roughed in

Not sure if that would demand a dedicated hotkey, will have to test it

[honest tinsel]

I think my future plan to refactor cards into the game piece handler is probably going to have to come sooner

Initially I wrote cards and pieces totally separately, and now a lot of stuff is overlapped

Some features for pogs don't make sense cause cards are rigidly set

And I added stacking game pieces a while ago

So this stuff should just be merged to make slight changes per game easier

Eventually it will be done lol

[short yew]

It’s so nostalgic seeing them together. Just like recess in the 90s 🥲

[cinder tide]

ive wanted to do talisman

[honest tinsel]

Maybe I should announce that GIAGIAD

After the TCG stuff is sorted

[meager lantern]

hey guys sorry for the late response! ive been drowning in work for the past week

[meager lantern]

i think alpha had 2 color decks with mostly common cards

nope just checked, its 2 rares, 13 uncommons, 45 commons random colors

and it only had 10 lands

so its basically a big booster pack, not a game ready deck

actually i just found this

Different print sheets (common, uncommon, rare) were used for each rarity in Alpha. Each of the sheets included different basic lands, but the rare sheet had only five copies of Island. That means the chance of getting a basic land instead of a regular card would be different for each rarity: 4.13% for rares, 21.5% uncommons and 38.84% for commons

so theres no set number of lands

i guess adding a few lands to the different rarity lists would be the most accurate way to do it

[meager lantern]

yess! haha i just used the script for the playing cards and chanched the names and textures

[meager lantern]

ill do that tonight and send it here!

[meager lantern]

let me know if you need a hand with this!

[short yew]

We can just find some middle ground numbers that work. Taking it to the sheets level is probably too far lol

Best option is still pre-built decks found around the world I think. Then you would find boosters at some stores. Or if you want to do booster draft type events

This is the complete rarity list. It's in the old format though. Caught some typos. Are the altnames in the image files?

[honest tinsel]

Altnames are part of the table that gets used for the catalogue construction

[short yew]

Ah okay. Took me a sec to figure it out

[honest tinsel]

Yeah its kind of confusing

😅

Normally you'd name the files the cards name

This is an alternative to have all the same icon

Like with monopoly

I need to write up an in depth guide

[meager lantern]

lol yeah i was just pointing out that theres no fixed number of lands in the starter deck

[meager lantern]

itd be cool to have both, since starter decks are just big boosters basically

@short yew i can write the script for the prebuilts if you tell me how to, i mean i dont really know how to write scripts but if you send me an example i can start building different deck combinations and listing the cards, so you guys can focus on the actual scripting 🙂

[honest tinsel]

The repo is up, I'm still working out the booster system

I just wasn't sure what the results should be

Rn the entire catalogue is under 1 item

From there you can pull specific cards from the smaller pools

[short yew]

Yeah, the Github page is posted above if you want to take a look at the code we have so far. Right now we just have the Alpha deck, but it should be easily expandable in the future. I'm not really sure yet how comprehensive expansions should be, or which ones people would like? If we were to fudge with the release dates a little and include pre-block expansions like Arabian Nights, Ice Age, Fallen Empires, would that be something Magic players would like? Or are those expansions too bad? What are the must have (pre-modern?) expansions and blocks in your opinion?

[honest tinsel]

Game Night Series

[honest tinsel]

Did I get the uncommon/rare artifacts flipped? 😅

[honest tinsel]

    ---Lands could appear in any of the spots
    --The chance of getting a basic land instead of another card is approximately:
    -- 4.13% for rares, 21.5% for uncommons and 38.84% for commons.
    -- The only lands on the rare sheets were five copies of Island.

    "AlphaBoosterPack", -- 11 common, 3 uncommon, 1 rare -- [16]
    "AlphaStarterPack", -- 45 commons, 12 uncommon, 3 rares  -- [17]

Am I to understand boosters could have any color?

I see the deck archetype listed in the file, but were those boosters you could buy?

[short yew]

Yeah I think boosters and starter box both have random any colour

The deck archetypes were for pre-made decks found around the world. Like in school desks, a hypothetical person in game made them

I think with more and more games being added, we're gonna need to spread them out across different distro containers

Pogs and MTG make sense to be found in school desks which are underutilized rn

[cinder tide]

nice idea

[honest tinsel]

Indeed

I think this occurred to me too as people kept saying they couldn't find games. The vanilla distribution is a bit rare maybe.

[meager lantern]

awesomee ill check it out tonight and start buidling decks

[short yew]

One aspect of deckbuilding we haven't figured out yet is how many artifacts to include in each pre-made deck so if you have any ideas how to do that..

[honest tinsel]

Well the premade decks can be badly setup cause it's like dumb kids right?

You could also have too many cards

Basically generate a few boosters and pool the results

[short yew]

Being drawn randomly from pools should make for bad decks. Most kids didn’t even know how to play, they just liked collecting like how Pokémon cards are now

[honest tinsel]

So that would be good?

😅

[short yew]

I think so. It incentivizes exploring the world to find better cards. Wouldn’t be too fun to find a ready made competitively viable deck lol

[honest tinsel]

When I collected Pokemon I would just want 1 of each, I didn't care about the trainers or energies

I don't even think I could play a game

I had so many duplicate cards for Pokemon and Yugioh

I'd like to eventually add those games too

I think someone added YuGiOh as a mod already

It would be cool to incorporate that mod somehow - idk if that's possible.

The framework for GameNight is somewhat specific

[short yew]

Once MTG is in, wouldn’t other trading card games just be a reskin?

[honest tinsel]

Yeah

The pool % of cards might need to be changed

Not sure if I can make that a part of the framework as they're so specific

But the action of opening boosters, the item selecting some of the cards from the catelogue instead of the whole thing etc, would be the same for sure.

[short yew]

The Yugioh mod looks to have a very comprehensive library of cards, if you can reach out I’m sure they’d love to have a playable version

The thing about the card games is with so many card images, the mod size becomes huge very fast lol

[honest tinsel]

Yeah, I would want to stick with the first two starter decks

Idk how far they went with it

[short yew]

Think the Pokemon mod had some type of binder for card collectors

Game Night X Paper API crossover? 🤔

[honest tinsel]

I think it did, but that can just be handled by the search function.

• the Pokemon mod author is mostly likely not cooperative

Rather not deal with them myself lol

[honest tinsel]

The forced texture size param I added for the boards works on these too

[short yew]

Very nice

Did you ever figure out a way to show player hands? Right now it's expected they use the inventory, right?

[short yew]

Seeing it all laid out now, I can see better how it's going to be played in PZ

I like the size you have there. The image art should be enough to identify a card, might have to test to find the ideal size

This one looks like it has a good card to table ratio to me

[honest tinsel]

I used the same aspect ratio from the playing cards you made 😅

[honest tinsel]

Not yet, I need to do that

[strange stratus]

look at this news from Italy: google translated "Pokemon scam, maxi seizure in Rieti 30 thousand fake cards in the crosshairs of the Guardia di Finanza, the rarest could be worth even more than a thousand euros. They were sold in specialized stores and at fairs. 31,360 counterfeit Pokemon cards, some very rare, were seized by the Guardia di Finanza of Rieti during some checks aimed at combating the phenomenon of counterfeiting and commercial abuse. Cards, which are no longer used only for gambling, have become real investments to be put to good use, with ample gains on the international market." 🤣

[honest tinsel]

Not surprising as people are using them like NFTs

[meager lantern]

it depends on the deck and the artifacts really, some decks dont really need them and others base their strategy around artifacts

same with instants, sorceries and monsters

green and red decks are monster heavy while blue uses more instants for example

i mean mostly, depends on the strategy and mechanics they use

[honest tinsel]

I wrote out a booster roll, and now each found deck is 4 boosters

[meager lantern]

oh kinda like a starter deck

[honest tinsel]

Could tweak the process to have some semblance of strategy

[honest tinsel]

Yeah

But also for stuff found in rooms and schools

[meager lantern]

i think the easiest way to approach the found deck would be having different lists of fixed decks actually

i built a few already

[honest tinsel]

The process is pretty open, can include those too

[meager lantern]

that way you could play straight away and then build a focused stratgy

[honest tinsel]

Did they sell starter kits?

[meager lantern]

awesomeee

[meager lantern]

only the starter decks

that were basically big boosters

but no prebuilt starting decks

[honest tinsel]

Ah so what I have already lol

[meager lantern]

yeah hahaha

the decks ive built are mostly jank

only uncommons and such

so that opening boosters would be the only way to build competitive decks

the thing with randomized deck building is not only that they wouldnt be built around a strategy, but also the mana costs and type of card balance would be way off most of the times

it does make sense when finding them in kids rooms and backpacks

but fixed decks here and there that are actually playable right away would make a cool finding

is there a way to add them to the houses where theres chips and beers in the livingroom? or maybe thats too complicated

itd be cool to enter a house and find a group of nerd zombies who were having a game night when they died haha

[honest tinsel]

I was going to look into that stories mod

To add that

Otherwise it would fill the games spots - which vary between bars, bedrooms, stores, malls, etc

[meager lantern]

all the first expansions added different mechanics and new stuff that improved and balanced the game really, but i think mirage, revised and antiquities added some of the most important ones. anyways i started playing much later haha so my favorite sets are modern, but i could start adding sets in their actual order and skip the ones that were straight bad

[honest tinsel]

I think alpha is good for now

If you know some basic deck ideas I can implement them

[meager lantern]

i built a couple, here

[short yew]

I’ve wondered about having cards findable when foraging in certain zones like school. I added a lot of my own items to forage for my map and it’s pretty easy to do

[short yew]

Is it a list of 60 cards per custom deck?

[short yew]

I figure people can add the modern cards in future since these early decks might be foreign to most players now

We could include a template or something to get them started

Would simple for future addons to insert into the alpha catalogue?

[honest tinsel]

?

[meager lantern]

oh, sorry got distracted

Monored

• Mountain (24)

• Hill Giant (4)

• Goblin King (3)

• Orcish Artillery (3)

• Goblin Balloon Brigade (3)

• Goblin Raider (3)

• Lightning Bolt (4)

• Fireball (4)

• Shock (4)

• Incinerate (4)

• Stone Rain (4)

Monoblue

• Island (24)

• Air Elemental (4)

• Prodigal Sorcerer (4)

• Merfolk of the Pearl Trident (4)

• Phantom Monster (4)

• Counterspell (4)

• Unsummon (4)

• Boomerang (4)

• Divination (4)

• Mind Control (4)

Monoblack

• Swamp (24)

• Nightmare (4)

• Royal Assassin (3)

• Hypnotic Specter (3)

• Drain Life (3)

• Drudge Skeletons (3)

• Terror (4)

• Unholy Strength (4)

• Dark Ritual (4)

• Paralyze (4)

• Mind Rot (4)

Monogreen

• Forest (24)

• Llanowar Elves (4)

• Lure (4)

• Grizzly Bears (4)

• Ironroot Treefolk (4)

• Shanodin Dryads (4)

• Regrowth (4)

• Giant Spider (4)

• Hurricane (4)

• Stream of Life (4)

Monowhite

• Plains (24)

• Savannah Lions (4)

• White Knight (4)

• Mesa Pegasus (4)

• Samite Healer (4)

• Benalish Hero (4)

• Crusade (4)

• Healing Salve (4)

• Pacifism (4)

• Disenchant (4)

these are bases for monocolored decks, although i still wanna tweak some stuff for each one, id like to have 2 or 3 copies of each card, so theyre more diverse and less focused

that way if you want to really rely on a couple cards youd have to find more decks or open boosters

also im changing the stronger ones for some jank versions so that the decks arent too overpowered

i also have 5 two-colored decks but maybe itd be better if you could only find monocolored and build from there?

or maybe just having a few janky 3-colored decks would be better so that you could choose one color and start focusing on that, what do you think?

[meager lantern]

yep all of them have 60 cards

[meager lantern]

exactly haha

[honest tinsel]

Could also have some of the cards be random tbh

Like pull red cards for a red deck

Keep the key cards

Btw is 24 lands normal?

Were people making duo decks initially or nah?

[meager lantern]

yeah not competitive ones but yeah

[meager lantern]

between 20 and 24

sometimes less thab 20

[meager lantern]

i was thinking the same, but i didnt know if it was too complex

[honest tinsel]

It isn't too complex, I'm just worried people will find decks and see they're not their color and move on - or each deck doesn't have enough variety to make it worth looking for them

I could make it complex and have like 7-10 boosters, and have it try to form a mono or duo deck from them

and have the remainder of the cards left in another pile - or removed entirely

But at that point pulling from the pool of colors would be less intensive lol

[cinder tide]

old school logo colors look nice

[honest tinsel]

Yeah, had to grab the new logo and modify it lol

It was a bit choppy at fully scale, glad it cleaned up when shrank

Going to need to get around to a hands system sooner than later

[cinder tide]

that will be great

can make games like coup actually playble

and basically every other card game viable lol, since you know everyone will peek

[honest tinsel]

well currently the system would be to hold the items yourself

so all I'd be doing is displaying what you have in your inventory

[cinder tide]

true i forgot they'd just keep it on their player

[honest tinsel]

Should work... maybe require them to equip it to avoid issues like carying extra games

[short yew]

This was the old MTG ad if you need some inspo for the cover art. I took the tagline from it

[honest tinsel]

Maybe for the larger image

🤔

[short yew]

Pushed a small addition as well. There were 2 classes of cards that weren't used in Alpha but were added the early expansions, so I made empty tables for them so any future add-ons and plug into those tables

"Spells" were enchantments and instants. "Special Lands" were colourless lands that did something when tapped

I'm not super familiar with the modern format but there were others like "Token" cards that we should also account for

[honest tinsel]

I've never played mtg lol

I think the additional tables may not be needed as the process for adding cards would be to tap into the creation functions

[cinder tide]

mhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that and blue decks lol

[honest tinsel]

blue decks weren't a thing?

[cinder tide]

meant to say that they sucked to play against in modern lol

or standard w.e

[honest tinsel]

Oh were they OP?

[cinder tide]

used to play friday night magic at local shop and play booster draft rounds everyone bought in and then would pick a card and pass the rest of the pack aroun and make decks, got to keep your deck at the end and prize money/pool

[cinder tide]

ya for sure

i think its good besides time period accuracy to not venture into the newer stuff just really complex game mechanics lol, not like necessarily that would need to be implemented just a lot more to the game now and card abilities

[short yew]

As long as the process for adding additional sets is simple. The way I envisioned it was the decks found around the world reflects the MTG sets you've enabled. So if someone wanted Alpha + Mirage + Urza's Saga, the decks found around the world would be consists of cards from those sets

In addition to boosters which would only be cards from a specfic set

[short yew]

Booster draft format will be possible to do in this 😎

[honest tinsel]

Yeah I already have the booster logic

Even takes into account that the lands included in rare sheets were island only(???)

[short yew]

Here's a link to the sheets if you want to go in too deep 😵‍💫 😆 💀
https://www.mtginformation.com/uncut-sheets

[honest tinsel]

Idk if I wanna get that detailed lol

I might remove the island on rares thing

Kind of thinking we should add the missing cards too?

[short yew]

Which missing cards?

[honest tinsel]

Alpha, Beta, Unlimited, Collectors Edition, and International Edition all have identical sheet layouts.
The caveat being that the Alpha sheet is missing Volcanic Island, Circle of Protection Black, Island (C), Swamp (C), Forest (C), Mountain (C), and Plains (C). Instead on the Alpha sheets these cards are replaced by basic lands.​

Also, doing some surgery on the base mod - moving something out of applydetails and into the deckhandler directly

So for implementing decks you'd be calling on the deck handler

I didn't realize each item was carrying it's own version of alternate icons and names lists

so every single card/deck for MTG had everysingle card's possible name 😐

Made it clear these lists on load - but I'll need to update the base mod + occult + mtg

[short yew]

Oh yeah just checked and those are missing. I'll add them soon. Basic lands will get one new entry each. One more rare land. And one new white card

[honest tinsel]

We can say The way Alpha edition it was meant to be played. 😎

[short yew]

Or that 😆

[honest tinsel]

This would also be effectively base beta right?

[short yew]

Or Unlimited or Revised. I haven't dug too deep into all the small differences in those old versions

[honest tinsel]

Worked out the examine feature a bit

The close button needs more padding

Feels a tad big lol

[short yew]

It's definitely a zoomed-in view lol

How does it currently work? It shows the last card you selected close-up view for?

[honest tinsel]

Right now it's an additional action - so under context menu

Opens a new window/panel

That's the full texture size though

Not sure if examining should scale down - rather have the default texture scaled at the file level

I can use a batch editor - just not sure what size would be normal

Also can't use shift click on cards to examine - as it fires the shift action lol

could use alt click

or double click

but that might trigger movement

[short yew]

Is there a limit to how many hotkeys you can use?

[honest tinsel]

no, but I rather make it less

[short yew]

Cause for gameplay purposes, actions like tapping and untapping which are used a lot might need their own, along with the zoom

[honest tinsel]

Yeah

[short yew]

Would be something to consider when testing

[short yew]

UI window Tetris time 😅

[honest tinsel]

I guess examine could be an attached window 🤔

Do you think 66% for the full sized would be ok?

[short yew]

It should be. Basically as long as all the text on the card is easily readable, it’s good

[honest tinsel]

This is 66%

I adjusted the UI -rather than batch edit 300 images lol (yet)

Maybe I should leave it in the UI - I don't think it's intensive

I like having options

Going with 75%

[short yew]

MTG will use all the Game Night UI windows depending on the cards. Hands and zoom are the main ones. Certain cards have you searching decks too

In terms of features, if it can handle this, it can handle everything

[short yew]

Being user adjustable like the main window would be good

How card zoom is implemented in magic arena and table top simulator is more a temporary toggle. In Arena, when you hover it zooms, in TTS it’s when you are actively holding the hoykey

It’d save UI space if it was temporary

[honest tinsel]

Like if you hover over for a bit?

It is temporary, but Idk if right click examine should be the way to go

[short yew]

Just checking it again now, it's a very slight delay once you hover over a card. That system feels pretty good

And it can pop up right over the play area

Players would just learn as part of the UI not to hover when they don't want to zoom

Hotkey method would work like TTS. Players could hover

But that doesn't really add anything, and wastes a hotkey

[honest tinsel]

Working on hovering

[honest tinsel]

Made it work independently of the window and with the window

[short yew]

Woah that's it

[meager mica]

I LOVE that you're adding MTG, my pals and I play commander every weekend and I'd love to drag them into playing Zomboid with me. I think it'd be hilarious to trade cards based on in-game items "Hey pals, I see you're starving, I got three cans of food if you gimme... Iunno SOL RING?" I can only imagine the shenanigans.

[honest tinsel]

Glad to hear it

Hoping this work with TCGs pays off a bit lol

@short yew I plan to write out a more detailed guide - if you could describe your process for finding/processing scans, I would appreciate it 😅

[honest tinsel]

note to self: need to update game-night and occult

[short yew]

Just occurred to me the zoom would also work really well for the search UI and player hand UI, maybe with a slightly longer delay

[meager lantern]

man this is looking so gooood

[cinder tide]

i know you mentioned binders earlier, but what about deck boxes?

[honest tinsel]

Already added to search 🧠

I still have to work on hand stuff

[honest tinsel]

Deck boxes?

[cinder tide]

actually more time period accurate i had some tournament boosters from early 2000s and the box the cards came in folded up into a deck box / carrying case

[cinder tide]

just something to hold the cards in

renamed game night container

[honest tinsel]

I think starter sets came in boxes(?)

[cinder tide]

there was aftermarket storage boxes too

[honest tinsel]

But the cards can be stacked - so I would assume storage isn't a problem

[cinder tide]

https://ragingbullseries.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/AEG_Card_Crypt_boxes-scaled.jpg

[cinder tide]

more so a vanity thing.

[honest tinsel]

This is one massive upgrade from the other mods that add TCGs lol

[honest tinsel]

Those are nice :0

Could add a little deck holster lol

[cinder tide]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3zMAAOSwgW1kXaGc/s-l1200.webp

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PqgAAOSwogJkXaGc/s-l1200.jpg

those were 96 tho

i miss how flashy art used to be now everything is minimalist

[honest tinsel]

Hmmmm need to do something unique for the hover over stuff

Currently breaks if you try to play and search a deck lol - cause you're only allowed one examine-UI

[meager lantern]

@honest tinsel @cinder tide i can work on the deck boxes if you want me to 🙂

and binders

also thought about making a board that works as a playmat

and making a few designs

like this

[honest tinsel]

That sounds fun, as long as it's circa 1993. The boxes would need a large texture for the models, I can do the item icons for them if you're not sure

[meager lantern]

dont worry, i already made custom boxes and textures for the other plugin

btw ill upload it later today or tomorrow

[honest tinsel]

Do you want me to take a look over it?

[meager lantern]

ill look for alpha merch but i was thinking of using cards art

[honest tinsel]

If you know how to use github that'd be the easiest

[meager lantern]

heyy wouldnt this be a good way to show hands?

[meager lantern]

of course!

[meager lantern]

i dont and ive been procrastinating on it lol but im sure itll take me 5 mins

[meager lantern]

these are my boxes

[honest tinsel]

Looks like you did a good job on using the template I left 😮

Did you use the PSD?

[meager lantern]

i can make something like this for each color combination

or the main ones

[meager lantern]

didnt see any psds, just used the png as a base 🙂

[honest tinsel]

Well, these would be third party boxes people would have bought to hold their decks right?

I'm just worried people will see a red/blue/black box and move on - not that it matters lol

Also may still include "decks" featuring random cards from boosters

I guess a case for every color is ok - I can worry about the contents later

some person is going to want to collect them all

[short yew]

Looking really great! How does it enable for MTG and not playing cards? Something like a true/false setting?

[honest tinsel]

It's an added 'special action'

the registered stuff for game pieces

I added support for deck handler stuff

[short yew]

It’s always an option to make the holder boxes craftable only? A lot of kids just kept their cards in cookie tins and things like that. And made their own art

[cinder tide]

looking so good

[meager lantern]

no, i actually thought of the boxes as a separate empty box that youd have to find yourself

[meager lantern]

thatd be awesomee, is it hard to make it a craftable recipie?

[honest tinsel]

Nope, recipes would be pretty easy. The thing is would they just be made of cardboard? Or?

The game lacks much arts and crafts items lol

Imagine trying to paint a cardboard box in the apocalypse though

[meager lantern]

haha maybe you can make them with papers and markers lol

no, i was thinking that if the cards come in boxes like the uno cards maybe you could then right-click the item and turn it into color you want

like a reskin of the original container

that way you wouldnt have to find the box you want

and you could still have different decks and see their color in your inventory

[short yew]

Added the cards missing from the Alpha Sheet. Haven't put them into the tables in the lua yet

(Lands)
MTG Alpha Black Land 3 -- Swamp
MTG Alpha White Land 3 -- Plains
MTG Alpha Red Land 3 -- Mountain
MTG Alpha Blue Land 3 -- Island
MTG Alpha Green Land 3 -- Forest

(White)
MTG Alpha White 46 -- Circle of Protection: Black

(Rare Lands)
MTG Alpha Blue Red Land 1 -- Volcanic Island

[honest tinsel]

Resized to match + added them into the lists

[honest tinsel]

Is tapping just 90 degrees to a specific direction and back?

Rn it rotates all the way around

The hand is a modified search window

doesn't close - only appears when you equip a deck

can be moved around

currently bugged out tho - as the player refuses to deequip the cards lol

going to probably adjust the size a bit - maybe make it adjust according the hand size too

[short yew]

Tapping is a 90 degree turn counter clockwise. And untapping turns it back upright

So if possible, it gives the option “tap” when a card is in the normal state, and the option “untap” when it’s in the tapped state

It’s the action that needs its own hot key in MTG. It’s done a lot per player’s turn. Alt key?

[short yew]

Yeah hand UI a little tricky. Not sure what the best way to go about it. Maybe optimize it to show 10-12 cards, and any more it spills onto a next page or scrolls? The cards should be large enough that you can easily identify what is in your hand

[honest tinsel]

I can try to do a system like hearthstone

[short yew]

Like cards floating at bottom of screen?

[strange stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/holding-a-lute-dandelion-gwent-gwent-the-witcher-card-game-lute-player-gif-26927326

[short yew]

Maybe off to the side? I usually set the main UI to max size. Left is overlapped, right is grid

Did some quick mockups to help me visualize

Does anything currently take that spot below the search window?

[honest tinsel]

Looks good

[short yew]

How does equipping a deck work atm? When cards are drawn, they’re currently individual in the inventory, right? Equipping any card enables the hand mode?

[honest tinsel]

Yes

When they're drawn it goes to inventory

I was thinking if you have a compatible deck equipped the card would go there

Just need to clean up some behavior that's weird

[short yew]

Like it used the card that is equipped to determine what cards show in the hand? So if you have both playing cards and mtg, if you equip a mtg card the hand becomes all mtg in inventory?

[honest tinsel]

I basically copy pasted the search UI and massaged it into the hand system but there's already alot of overlapping code - might go back to crate some sub functions

[honest tinsel]

No the actual pile of cards equipped is what's displayed

You can drag cards off the game window int your hand area

[short yew]

Ah okay that makes sense

This would make all card games like poker etc much smoother easier to play 😁

I’m getting ideas like the card in hands ui moving up a little when you hover on them but I don’t want to feature creep too much lol 😬

[cinder tide]

gwent in pz lol

[honest tinsel]

I was going to make it like hearthstone

Where you can hover over a few of them

And the center most gets big

I think it does that right?

[short yew]

Yeah the hovered card rises and enlarges a bit

[honest tinsel]

I also want to look at transition animation if possible idk tho

Basically set a place the item is going to and having it move there over time

[short yew]

Like for the main ui window?

[honest tinsel]

Yeah

[honest tinsel]

Figured out the equipped issue

Still having issues with the search/hand UI interacting not sure what's going on the UI event doesn't fire

[honest tinsel]

Getting there

Learned the hard way interacting between windows is kind of unique

[short yew]

Looks like it's working!

What was weird about the window to window stuff?

[honest tinsel]

I had events for on mouse up from the game window expecting search stuff - and it worked in the past

but it seems like having mouse up events on the search window cancels the mouse up from the game window

mouseUpOutside < mouseUp basically

messed with the highlighting to show up as before or after cause I don't want to bother with swapping cards like that lol

[cinder tide]

cant wait for the first person to comment "my friend starved to death while we were playing uno, 10/10"

just get so engrossed in playing cards forget to maintain your char lol

[honest tinsel]

Going to refactor the search and hand function to share base code

they're like 90% the same lol

I can also double the use for Binders

[short yew]

Like a general ui framework to show stacks of cards? I can see that being useful for some other board game mechanics like drawing from bags

[honest tinsel]

Basically just template the 'window shows cards'

Biggest benefit to setting it up this way is to avoid issues like having to copy and paste it again for the binder stuff

Im trying to figure out the best way to draw a random card from someone elses hand

[short yew]

Was thinking about other players hands. It's pretty important information during a card game

Maybe something like in the hand menu, you can see how many cards are in other players hands?

Like a small graphic, or just a number?

[honest tinsel]

I was thinking something similar to the search window - but like it contains participating player's hand counts

Yeah same idea

[short yew]

Drawing from another player's hand would require players to see the backside of every other player's hand at the normal scale. It could make sense for it to be in the hand window as well. Like a the option to cycle through other players hands, but only seeing the backside of their cards. And when you take a card from them, they have to agree to it so people can't just steal each other's cards

[honest tinsel]

Yeah very easily to get complicated lol

[short yew]

Just seeing the backside of other players hands, or at least the amount of cards they have is fine for now I think

For drawing other players cards, maybe something like putting your entire hand face down on the play area and the other player taking a card could work for that mechanic

[cinder tide]

off topic but went by local place i used to go to, they're closed up :/
other places they said they only do tournaments now, fnm hasn't been a thing since covid

[honest tinsel]

Makes sense tbh

A lot of those places made their earnings from events

The other stuff was to build community

[short yew]

Always sad to see places like that close up. Really underappreciated parts of the community. I'm lucky enough to have a couple shops nearby that still host Commander nights mixed in with general board game events

[meager lantern]

damn thats sad, i think wizards of the coast doesnt care that much anymore

since they have magic arena now i guess thats more profitable

here where i live we have a ton of mtg stuff but its all by the community

wotc stopped sponsoring tournaments since covid

[meager lantern]

what about just dropping the hand, shuffling and taking the first one?

i mean, if its too complicated

[honest tinsel]

That could be good

I may need to add text over the item to show what it's doing or some kind of animation lol

[meager lantern]

i can animate of you want me to, just let me know what you have in mind

[honest tinsel]

The hands and search windows work very nicely

Just some minor tweaks need to be done - like having hover over images render over UI

[cinder tide]

f man this looks sick as

from back when initially were testing months ago to this, its insane

inspect and hand.. great stuff

stacking seems a lot better now too

[honest tinsel]

Yeah, I need to expand the threshold though

feels a bit tight

[short yew]

It's looking so good now! Really excited for when it's test ready 😁

Been thinking about how to show stacks of cards in the UI. Made some card stack assets if you want to play around with that at some point. Added a few for the different stack sizes. Something like if a stack has a certain amount of cards, one of the stack images displays underneath the visible card to indicate that there are multiple cards there

example:

Went with a straight down depth illusion to start with. Diagonal is another option if this doesn't look right

[honest tinsel]

I was thinking how to handle that too

Thinking of something probably really really crazy but...

I could look into drawing 3d sides

using polygons

Would also let me draw the dice as 3d objects lol

[short yew]

That sounds very cool, and very complicated lol

[honest tinsel]

function gameNightWindow:renderTextureAtAngle(texture, centerX, centerY, rotation, r, g, b, a)
    if self.javaObject == nil or not self:isVisible() then return end
    local halfTextureWidth = texture:getWidth() / 2
    local halfTextureHeight = texture:getHeight() / 2
    local rotatedAngle = math.rad(180.0 + rotation)
    local cosRotatedAngle = math.cos(rotatedAngle)
    local sinRotatedAngle = math.sin(rotatedAngle)
    local xOffset1 = cosRotatedAngle * halfTextureWidth
    local yOffset1 = sinRotatedAngle * halfTextureWidth
    local xOffset2 = cosRotatedAngle * halfTextureHeight
    local yOffset2 = sinRotatedAngle * halfTextureHeight
    local javaObjCenterX = self.javaObject:getAbsoluteX() + centerX
    local javaObjCenterY = self.javaObject:getAbsoluteY() + centerY
    local x1 = (xOffset1 - yOffset2) + javaObjCenterX
    local y1 = (xOffset2 + yOffset1) + javaObjCenterY
    local x2 = (-xOffset1 - yOffset2) + javaObjCenterX
    local y2 = (xOffset2 - yOffset1) + javaObjCenterY
    local x3 = (-xOffset1 + yOffset2) + javaObjCenterX
    local y3 = (-xOffset2 - yOffset1) + javaObjCenterY
    local x4 = (xOffset1 + yOffset2) + javaObjCenterX
    local y4 = (-xOffset2 + yOffset1) + javaObjCenterY
    getRenderer():render(texture, x1, y1, x2, y2, x3, y3, x4, y4, r, g, b, a, r, g, b, a, r, g, b, a, r, g, b, a, nil)
end

[short yew]

3D die would be wild

[honest tinsel]

This is a converted to lua draw angle

I don't know why the renderer needs 4 copies of rgba

[short yew]

beyond me 😵‍💫

This could be applied to the D20 as well?

[honest tinsel]

Could be

for now I think I'll just do cards

and cube shapes lol

[honest tinsel]

Ty chatGPT

for something...

[long crescent]

flip animation incoming? 👀

[honest tinsel]

actually not a bad idea but nah

trying to make them look like stacks lol

[long crescent]

if you can use textureparts "on repeat" as fill, you could have it fill diagonally down with like 1-3 pixels of card-corners, depending on how many are stacked together, maybe.

[honest tinsel]

I'm trying to see if I can simulate the sides at the right angle then just adjust the depth

But explaining that to chatgpt is hard lol

[long crescent]

oh wait, angle as in 2.5d, where it'd change how the stack looks depending on where it lies on the field?
(Also yes, explaining it to me isn't any easier by the way :P)

[honest tinsel]

Yes

[long crescent]

heresy, burn that card folder!

[honest tinsel]

I almost got it

Just need to flip the top side of the card to meet the bottom of the texture...

[long crescent]

possibly for a gradient effect from corner(s) to other corners

[cinder tide]

this has no right to go as hard as it does

[honest tinsel]

I can't get chatGPT to understand nor can I mess with it to get it right lol

[cinder tide]

i hope a youtuber does a video on game night

a proper one now that theres a bunch of addons

not just hey this is number 16 of top whatever

[honest tinsel]

Like pulling teeth

chatgpt gave me the wrong angle for one of the sides

but from previous iterations I knew the right one

Not sure why the blue side is shorter

[honest tinsel]

I'm too meat brained to understand this lol

Figured out the blue needed to be adjusted on the height cause it's technically the right side

I'm not even sure which point is which

I assumed x1/y1 would be the topleft

[honest tinsel]

Gave up trying to using rotated/skewed pieces - and simply drew a box lol

Working out something to decide which sides need to be drawn

surprisingly complicated

[honest tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/iota-tanglevision-crypto-cryptocurrency-nod-gif-22062903

I have a card stack texture but it's not rendering not sure why

Oh it is, it's just squished lol

[short yew]

Amazing! You did it! 😮

[short yew]

How does the texture for the side work?

[honest tinsel]

it's a drawn square that's skewed

still seeing how the texture can be made to be less blurry

also ran into another issue lol

the fact that cards and game pieces are handled differently has come back to bite me lol

I think for these I can just use a stretched texture

[short yew]

So they're all the same image, just stretched?

[honest tinsel]

yeah

I had the lines closer before

testing now

[short yew]

Yeah just got to find the sweet spot

[honest tinsel]

I think it needs a different texture depending on the height lol

[short yew]

Maybe tune the height so it's optimal at the full deck of playing cards, and 60 cards of mtg

[short yew]

Yeah maybe something like decks with "normal" amounts of cards will all work, but the super tall towers might need their own thing

Or make a skill based mini game where players can't stack cards that high before they fall over lol

[short yew]

Playing around with color. Something darker would fit better I think

[honest tinsel]

486, 240, 180, 120, 60

[short yew]

Added a gradient to the side but not sure it's possible

[honest tinsel]

Yeah a gradient might be better

[short yew]

I remember all my cards has dirty sides because that's how you would hold decks

[honest tinsel]

some of the angles render the texture diagonally for some reason

[short yew]

It's super subtle. It could be a moire effect

[short yew]

Different contrasty-ness in the lines could also change the perceived darkness of the sides too

Some of the earlier ones you posted feel close to me

I like how they hint at more detail without being too literal

[honest tinsel]

Adding lines would require different textures for different sized stacks

This is the above texture, had to rotate it 180 degrees for some reason lol

Probably have the wrong corners aligned

The one on the bottom right is 60 cards

[short yew]

As long as it looks good for the 60 card stack, that's the main thing

This is how 60 cards look irl

[honest tinsel]

Yeah I think it works

Going to try and wrap up the mechanics today

and work on distributions lol

Is there a rough break down of deck composition?

Doesn't have to be ideal or playable

I'm imagining some people only bought enough boosters to get going

[short yew]

What I had in my rough version covers all the deck archetypes. It's just a the color combinations

[honest tinsel]

And starter kits were basically just 4 boosters wrapped in one?

[short yew]

Yeah, so not playable right away it looks like

[honest tinsel]

Yeah that's still there

[short yew]

I'll go back in and add some artifacts to those decks

But it's basically minus 2 to each color and replace to artifact

[honest tinsel]

artifacts are non colored right?

[short yew]

Yeah

Expansions add more complicated ones like Gold Cards which a multi colored cards, but for those kinds of cards, might be better to just have them be booster only

[honest tinsel]

So like 18-25 lands, 2 artifacts, the rest colors?

[short yew]

Yup

And if it's 2 colour deck, just make it close to 50/50

[honest tinsel]

Why 2 artifacts though?

Just rare?

[short yew]

They might even be common. It's kinda random. The "person" included it in their deck

[short yew]

Artifacts are just another type of card

[short yew]

No limit to stack height?

😆

Maybe there's a YouTube video of someone trying to go for a stacking world record

[honest tinsel]

I spawned in a "deck" currently random colors

got 13 lands

that's not enough for a 60 deck based on suggestions

[short yew]

Yeah 24 is the sweet spot

[honest tinsel]

Yeah might just messed around with that a bit

[short yew]

More or less depending on specific builds

For gameplay, I think finding a deck that works off the bat is good for new players. They can dive in a play right away, even with a "bad" deck

But that just incentivizes finding new cards

Which is a big part of the game itself

Certain card type don't really fit well into pre-constructed decks like the dual land cards, or Gold Cards in later expansions, or the special land cards

May make sense to mix in pure random "decks" as well. Like 60% playable right away decks that are pre-constructed. And then the rest being pure random "decks" who's pool is the entire catalogue. Could be a way to get those more niche cards distributed outside of boosters

Like a pure random deck between 12-30 cards

[honest tinsel]

Yeah

Need to sit down with it and play around with some ideas

[short yew]

Was thinking about these additional locations for Pogs and MTG

"GigamartToys" - *****
"SchoolLockers" - *****
"ClassroomDesk" - *****
"CrateComics" - ****
"GigamartSchool"- ***
"BedroomDresser" - ***
"ClassroomMisc" - **
"CrateRandomJunk"- *
"OfficeDeskHome" - *
"GigamartDryGoods" - *
"OfficeDrawers" - *

Not sure how to test distro chances. May make a test map with every room type in the game unless there's a better way

[honest tinsel]

I never tested the prior ones lol

I just modified the existing entries + added more with the same values

If anything I think it could be upped a bit

Schools don't have any toys I think

But yeah adding to those groups sounds good

maybe not office stuff

need to look at whats already there

    ["BarCounterMisc"] = {
        generalChance = 6,
    },

    ["Gifts"] = {
        generalChance = 8,
        sealed = true
    },

    ["GigamartToys"] = {
        generalChance = 8,
        sealed = true
    },

    ["Hobbies"] = {
        generalChance = 8,
    },

    ["HolidayStuff"] = {
        generalChance = 8,
        sealed = true
    },

    ["WardrobeChild"] = {
        generalChance = 2,
        chanceOverride = {["BackgammonBox"] = 0, ["ChessBox"] = 0, ["CheckersBox"] = 0, ["PokerBox"] = 0,}
    },

    ["CrateRandomJunk"] = {
        generalChance = 1,
        chanceOverride = {["BackgammonBox"] = 0, ["ChessBox"] = 0, ["CheckersBox"] = 0, ["PokerBox"] = 0,}
    },

This is the current distro - the reason the chance for those last 2 are 0 is cause it didn't originally have some of the items like game pieces -- or maybe cause it already had them?

So it's filling everything else instead

I could lift that to increase the chances too

[cinder tide]

commander mfs be like checkout my deck

[honest tinsel]

I don't even know what the texture is doing lmao

seems to be twisting itself

I can tell what's going on, but I'm not sure how to fix it lol

[short yew]

😵‍💫 What is going on? Is it a cube with more sides until it becomes round?

It's kinda looking like an Escher drawing lol

[honest tinsel]

Kind of

won't be able to rotate the sides the same as the cube

Just trying to render a cylinder lol

[honest tinsel]

I can adjust the number of sides

6

Also full alpha:

[short yew]

Making progress!

A cylinder wouldn't even need to rotate, right?

could just make it fixed?

[honest tinsel]

Yeah

This is done lol

12 sides

Need to adjust the texture though

the gradient is causing the edges to look sharp

[short yew]

It'd be hard to "slam" a stack of pogs even half that size so real use case would be much shorter too

[short yew]

Is that because the gradient is slightly horizontal?

depends on the orientation of the texture i guess

[honest tinsel]

It has a lighter edge to it

[short yew]

Wow, came together very nicely with the texture

Little note, the slammers sides are the same dark colour as the back. It's the regular paper pogs that have the white sides. Gonna need two different side textures

[honest tinsel]

It can be colored 🙂

rgba

Like this?

[short yew]

That looks like a stack of slammers to me 😁

Gradient looks really nice too

[honest tinsel]

ty

[honest tinsel]

Made it work based off registered specials

[cinder tide]

that looks dope dude

[honest tinsel]

😄 very happy with how its coming out

[short yew]

The crazy idea ended up being amazing

[honest tinsel]

Indeed

My next crazy idea is to make balls lmao

[cinder tide]

turned out really goodf

[honest tinsel]

Indeed, I somehow broke dealing/drawing - just fixed it lol

Need to get to distributions

[honest tinsel]

Got another dumb idea lol

[long crescent]

spit it out - your dumb ideas are usually fun/good ideas!

[honest tinsel]

Made an alternative round stack for poker chips

every-other side is colored white

lowered the side count from 12 to 7

Only issue is if you rotate the chip lol

Might just leave it for now

[short yew]

Every stack becomes a polygon!

[honest tinsel]

yeah, it uses the card's size

[short yew]

So it's automatic for any future deck that gets added?

[honest tinsel]

Yep

I ain't made of time

[honest tinsel]

Thought of a workaround to poker chips being wonky if rotated - just disable rotation 😅

I'm kind of tempted to make the dice rendered

Like entirely

[long crescent]

I'm wondering if... maybe... you might just put in too much work? Not that it'd be bad but... any further and you may as well just make a system to load 3d files and have them rendered in that way? Or did you mean there's a way to render them with exposed functions?

[honest tinsel]

maybe it is too much work lol

Afaik you can't render models in game without a background

[long crescent]

I think characters should work, assuming using the UI3DModel, however IIRC that's only for characters, not for sole objects or similar :/

[honest tinsel]

You can mess with item models in the editor

I just never saw it done in a way without a gray background

Maybe I should look into that 😅

[long crescent]

the scene thingy and such use a black background, whose color can be changed - that or it actually somewhere stops the game from rendering, resulting in a black background natively? 🤔 but yeah, taking a look won't hurt!

[honest tinsel]

It has been fun to work on drawing shapes though

[long crescent]

I mean, if you enjoy it, go ahead, I just think the textures will be the problem (since you'd have to do some weird approaches with non-rectangle "sides" then)

[honest tinsel]

The renderer can draw 4 pointed shapes I think to draw a triangle you'd need to merge two sets

But yeah that'd be wasteful

If 3D models can be drawn it could also provide an easier route to animations

[honest tinsel]

Added volumetrics to some pieces for now

Catan roads, Dominos, etc

Can revisit the 3d model stuff later

Final to-do:
[ ] Pogs Slamming.
[ ] Make stackable pieces drag to stack like cards do.
[ ] Figure out MTG distributions/deck stuff.

[short yew]

Just updated the deck building logic to include artifacts. It's a simple system but I think it'll work for getting playable decks into player's hands quickly

[honest tinsel]

Saw, the deck doesn't need to be an exact 60 does it?

[short yew]

It doesn't have to be. But it should still be in that range

For Pog Slamming: Initially I thought something like a fixed percent flip chance (25%) + (fatigue, hunger penalties) would be good enough, but seeing the stacks now with height, I feel like the system might need to account for the amount of Pogs in a stack as well. Maybe tiers or something? For 10 and under, it's 25% flip chance. 11-20, it's like 12%, and then 21+ it's 5%