Familiar Arena QA

[spring forum]

Guys any idea

Why my buffs are swap when prediction is over on gp

It’s second time it happen to me

This time I’m even out of GP

I loose

Previous gp the same

If anyone has any idea please help me

[shell grail]

bond power got swap?

[spring forum]

Yea all the buff were changed

For all the comps

Buff we’re here and there

Not as I did set it up before prediction was over

[shell grail]

u swap it on prediction period?

can u?

I thought we can't set our team on the prediction period

[spring forum]

I did before prediction period is over

Like one hour before

I mean team set up time

Sorry

My mistake

Like right before prediction I did set up buff

[shell grail]

on this set team period, right?

[spring forum]

Yea correct and when it’s over the buff was all changed

It’s second time this happen to me

[shell grail]

might not been save or a bug

report it then

[spring forum]

I saved

Coz I change the familiars as well

Familiars were changed but buffs were not in order it was all messed up

[shell grail]

report it

[spring forum]

Like for normal familiars familiar royal buff even

[shell grail]

idk which way faster

[spring forum]

😂

[shell grail]

!cs or #🐛｜issue-report

[lapis terrace]

Ni no Kuni: Cross Worlds Customer Support

https://help.netmarble.com/game/enngb?lcLocale=en

[spring forum]

But I’m sure there is nothing they can do

It’s already over the match

[shell grail]

at least they can fix it

if it's a bug

[spring forum]

My opponent won

Easy

[shell grail]

for next ss

[spring forum]

Yea

Last gp also same happen to me

I was wondering if I’m doing something wrong

Like this who would use elemental synergy buff for random familiars 😂

[shell grail]

report it bro

might be a bug

[spring forum]

😭😭😭😭

[flat crane]

All they do is send an automatic message apologizing for the inconvenience and don't do a single thing

[grizzled latch]

u using phone?

[spring forum]

Yes

[velvet sparrow]

which bond powers would you guys recommend?

[spring forum]

At least 400 jellies above means 25 bonding power to compete in gp and fam arena

[shell grail]

the hidden fragment is nice to have

support weakening / frontline rein / enemy's attacker attack reduction

[grizzled latch]

Is it better to use rare feather haipin instead of 6s specific toys?

lets say for Def fams

[shell grail]

IMHO, no

[grizzled latch]

why?

[shell grail]

same as Celestial VS Imperial armor
HP vs DMG reduction
I always prefer dmg reduction

[grizzled latch]

thanks

[shell grail]

lets do a quick math
lets say your familiar have 1000 hp
enemy familiar do 100 dmg
Rare hairpin - your hp is 1000 + 8% = 1080 / enemy need 11 hit to take yours down
6s specific vest - your hp is 1000 / enemy do 100 - 12% = 88 dmg, so it need 12 hit to take yours down

[desert whale]

Could someone help me with setting up a good attack team and defense team?

my pokemons

[wind python]

Hello guys, can anyone help me to choose a good team both for attack and defense? I failed to be a master pokemon.

[wanton inlet]

atk front
taurex
soar boar

next to front
oroboros
mite

backline
hippo

def front
sunshine
taurex

next to front
disbeleaf
soarboar

backline
toko

watch how you do both on atk and defense in a week and adjust your team

p.s. im no expert

[wanton inlet]

atk front
taurex
soar boar

next to front
oroboros
mite

backline
hippo

def front
sunshine
taurex

next to front
squibby
shrimpaler

backline
toko

watch how you do both on atk and defense in a week and adjust your team

p.s. im no expert

[desert whale]

thxx

[tired mist]

Tip :
-Invest in ebon, best regular 4* tank
-stop investing in soar boar. Really not as good as you think.

[waxen spoke]

6r6r6r

[wind python]

Ty guys, I'll give it a try. In a week I bring back the results

[wanton inlet]

I want to suggest sunshine but low awake instead of soar boar

[wind python]

Staghorn isnt any good?

awaken 8

[wanton inlet]

Go for it, try your familiars and adjust them accordingly

I missed your stag

[wind python]

[shell grail]

best tip

@wind python @desert whale stop using boar, go for Dururu or Ebon or Sunshine or Stag is better

find your own strategy

learn from replay or in Familiar Adventure

[tired mist]

Really good. A must against stall teams to pull healers

[desert whale]

WOW

[wanton inlet]

#💪｜flex-channel

[desert whale]

is hand of destruction very good? coz i see everyone using it

[shell grail]

good but still RNG

[tired mist]

I see a lot of people using silence instead of either att or def weakening on na. What do you think about that? Silence is rng too

[shell grail]

yeah, to make it more RNG

maybe good or nothing

or worst

silence = enemy's skill delay

it might wreck their combo or more wombo too

[tired mist]

@shell grail I just tested the difference between a 6* specific glove vs a 6* generic glove (non rare) on relixx. Specific = 1364 ; generic = 1397.
How? I don't get it. Relixx is 405 if it makes any difference

[shell grail]

Critical or miss?

[tired mist]

Per auto attack on a light familiar

[shell grail]

my old test result include skill

but it might be a good time to re-test

[tired mist]

Tested again with skill dmg. Specific gave around 8% more dmg than generic

[shell grail]

ty for test result

so, overall the specific one is better?

actually u should test with other fam, because relixx's skill will multiply the dmg of dark after 1st hit of skill

[tired mist]

I think so.

[tired mist]

I'll test it with mite later. I want to compare 5* specific with 6* generic too.

[shell grail]

from my previous test result, 6s spe and 6s generic should be close to each other

[spring forum]

Any idea guys why my relix and aurolynx ain’t hitting anyone just hitting a wall

Maybe the skill effect

[shell grail]

found this sometime when battle include the Glider

after it use resurrection

u should report it cause u already have an evidence.

look like a bug

[shell grail]

@potent spruce can u report this to dev, can u? it looks like an important bug.

[spring forum]

Maybe it’s not a bug it’s just a debuff I’m not sure 🤔

[shell grail]

I carefully watch, that invisible attack hit nothing

what kind of debuff was that?

first, I try to watch is it a visual bug

but it looks like not

let's dev check it would be nice

[potent spruce]

Sure thing

[shell grail]

ty

[spring forum]

Ty

[spring forum]

No bugg win !

[waxen spoke]

How much did it cost to roll the wheel for 15 books?

I've seen u posted in flex channel

BTW I ha ent spent a penny the whole august😄

[spring forum]

I use 320 tickets and got lucky

I was very unlucky in many things

And this is the only thing I got lucky with 😂😂😂

320 tickets 15 books lvl 10

I think for witch this skill is very worth as playing wipe for survivability also if you play engi this skill does lot of damage

[waxen spoke]

Idk, I play with rare +80 dark a7 orb, so maybe for me this skill is kinda useless) But how much were those 320 tickets dollar vise?

[spring forum]

$213.97

[potent spruce]

Lucky you I needed 515 tickets

[woeful wing]

damnn, i was super lucky and got 15 in 275 tickets

[flat crane]

Yup, this wheel was kinda scammy

[spring forum]

It was but for some lucky ppl not really

[flat crane]

People on my kingdom even got extra

[lime storm]

crab is coming 😱

pure light build lets go 🤗

finally discarding this awake 4 tarakona in my thoughts xD

[tired mist]

I'm not sure how I feel about bringing crab and rimu to banners. Just spent so much asterite to a7 rimu. Really thought they would stay asterite only.
Way cheaper to get them with asterite if you're a spender anyway.

[woeful wing]

ye its not worth lol hopefully its just a short banner

[torn thicket]

I want rimu but just got tickets and gems to open x2

Not enough v.v

[shell grail]

cheaper on Asterite

[torn thicket]

12$ =70k asterite ?

[shell grail]

borrow @raven tapir pic

[torn thicket]

Oh thanks

[rich hound]

Exactly.. Not sure why NNK will put it in banner.

[rich sage]

Last attempt to swueeze moar

[lime storm]

yes, agree on that one,
for the whales that banner seems bad,
but for f2p's like its sooo goood to be true 🤗

[rich sage]

Esp for the f2p who get one copy of rimu or crab back then at first anni

[lime storm]

sad for me pic bunnybot on that rare egg with rimu and crab,
but its in banner now so its okey hehe

[shell grail]

https://forum.netmarble.com/enngb_en/view/7/14891

damn, this GP season will be dark

less toy combination tools

[lament linden]

Is crab or rimu good for f2p?

I have 400tix or should i save for better banner?

[shell grail]

if u play PVP, they're good

even A0

[lament linden]

I see

Thanks

[tired mist]

If you get asterite from pvp, you should hold your tickets and wait till you have enough for one copy with asterite tbh.

[tired mist]

Sadge!
Went 5-0 on placements 😎 Good luck on yours

[shell grail]

Sadge!
4-1 on placement for the first time after 5-0 for last 6 seasons
but 6-1 currently

GL to u all guys

[gritty grotto]

is it worth to pull rimu or crab? i dont have it yet

[grizzled latch]

Just buy it from asterite shop

Cheaper

[gritty grotto]

no aste ahaha

[tired mist]

Scroll up

[lime storm]

but you are dolphin bro,
better if you will purchase it,
if you are f2P then its a big YES

[lime storm]

1st 🥰

2nd 😱

3rd

[shell grail]

🎉

[lime storm]

4th 🙇🙇🙇
310+ tix then use diaz to reach guarantee 🙇

[lime storm]

still have 9 k diaz, but impossible to reach another guarantee hehe

[shell grail]

A3 is quite good

that 22.5% is more than A10 Milky + base 1.5%

[lime storm]

whahah yes + 20% from mystic helm xD

[gritty grotto]

Because i want to use crab for def type swordsman in pvp

But i only have 400 tix

I dont have much def fam for pvp my staghorn only a1

The rest attack fam (relix,cactus)

[tired mist]

Jesus F, how freaking lucky. Never pulled a banner fam outside of pitty

[remote patrol]

My thought exactly

[lime storm]

hehe just got lucky my 1st 210 pulls only got me normal 4s, making me hopeless,

so i just spam it until guarantee,
luckily i have 3 copies before guarantee 😌

[tired mist]

Kinda sad that crab isn't really good in arena imo. Rimu is better. Fear is good

[lime storm]

@torn thicket here

[torn thicket]

Thanks bro

[chilly rose]

that damn luck~~~!

[fluid brook]

is it worth getting dino to +450? this is my usual attack team (vs sunshine,squibby and hippo decks)

[spring forum]

Dino is good but squishy so I prefer him in a double healer comp

[torn thicket]

How good is aracness a8 450 jelly? And taurex is tanking good?

[rich sage]

Idk abt a8 but even at a6 arachness shred thru my taurex at 390 or so? I forgot what jelly and its still same element

[fluid brook]

Yeah arachnes hits like a truck. She can sustain 1rotation as front line too (if ebon or stag fvcks up for some reason)

Still can't one shot 83k+ Sunshine with Squibby tho.

Small problem is skill CD. But if you can line up targets for the nuke it's easy win

[rich sage]

And stag always fked up somehow indeed

[fluid brook]

Imma give this a shot next week. Replace stag with shrimp so i can HF+Elemental Syn

[torn thicket]

I have arachness a6,taurex,dino a10 all 405 jellys, next month 450 jellys and a8 arachness

Focus arachness a10

[rich hound]

Hi, does anyone knows if generic glove rare is better than 6* specific gloves for attack familiars and does this affect to EVERY familiars?

[fluid brook]

Not bad just hard to predict cos of ebon.

Plus Ebon + hippo WILL cancel 1st cast no matter what you do

Oh there's also the "vision" conflict with stag targeting.

Well since i don't (and won't) be a front line for PvP I don't need stag as much as I need arachnes (+dmg to players).

Invested all my eggs on arachnes since she's useful in both PvP and FA for me. (Stag was a freebie from NNK gods)

[fluid brook]

3 Mittens stag

You get a nuker that isn't affected by Atk weakening

Been there done that. Byrde nerfed

Used to do +100k damage with byrde. Now barely reaching 70k at best

RIP og Soar Boar

Original.

The original BTS (Boar/Byrde Toko Shrimp) before boar became a thing

Nerfed then dark familiars went

Gloomie relixx arachnes ebon

They're all used in FA. Combined with Support/Def Weakening sometimes byrde can't even pop

Doesn't look like it does.

Can always try. Buts gonna be expensive (jellies wise) since reliable testing may rely on lemur having comparable enhancement to enemy familiars

In fb yes i still receive damage. So it should be similar in PvP

Ohhh risky. 1 rogue AOE and they go goodbye

Yes. Its dodge that negates everything iirc

Damn just noticed its +50%

And its a passive.

Doubt. They're very specific as to what they name CC.

Relixx is "bind" right?

Iirc it doesn't

Basic abilities are knockdown/push back.

Damage redux on active still pretty good tho

[rich sage]

Stag seems like he become blind sometimes if he goes too far front on next skill if ebon goes to the back shoving your fami he gonna vacuum ebon and u be a joke 😂

[rich sage]

Trueee the f2p type is arachnes ebon dino usually when for whale its arachness relix ebon or change whichever attacker with rumi

I experienced he did whole blunder to the fooder team i use in fam arena

One day of all bad match cuz stag sometimes blind just… man. First time i attack even someone at 350k cp who is my fodder and they win

Idk tho but arachness a6 is used widely in my server

[fluid brook]

Stag very hard to predict but if you master its OP

But sometimes its plain RNG

[rich sage]

Kinda conflicted my support is good and i dont have arachness too

Best i can do wait 7 months to make one a7 tho sigh

[rich sage]

U mena 400 days?

And 500 days stuff? I think it stopped 400 days alr ended soon 500 anyway

[fluid brook]

Tbf i got my armor from 200days chest dont hate on the armor portion of the rare selection

Anyways. Imma use 75 jellies on dino and observe. Thanks for the insights

[shell grail]

for the glove, yes

still decent

[shell grail]

Relixx's skill cause bind and blind

[torn thicket]

Maybe relix banner is soon ? 😦

[torn thicket]

Guys which element, should i lv to 40 after dark?

Today 700 tickets+5mil diamonds= 2 banners.

And in 25 days 13k diamonds to the tree

[shell grail]

skip these 2

[torn thicket]

Im waiting relix,hipo or arachness banner

But a friend just open rimu banner x2 and get alot rares +5 rimu lol

Like 9 rares

@shell grail what do u think will be best choice element to lv40? After dark element

For me

[shell grail]

depends on your bag

u should decide yourself

2nd mostly used ele

[shell grail]

look like u focus on Arachness, go with her

[torn thicket]

Yep

[shell grail]

those 1st anni. should pick weapon

if u cant A7 Relixx or A.Lynx

[torn thicket]

I have relix and a.lynx a6

[shell grail]

those 2 can be pick from that 1st anni

[torn thicket]

That's why I haven't used it on arachness yet

[shell grail]

but, if u dont have 1 spare, prob go pick weapon

or try 50%

Im not a fan of Arachness

[torn thicket]

Im focus on fa and gp

She is very good

[shell grail]

IMO, stag is better to pick between them

[torn thicket]

Stag is a2..

[shell grail]

IMO, Arachness passive is great on PVP, and okay on FA/GP

[shell grail]

because u pick arachness in the past eggs, right?

[torn thicket]

Ye

Hipo and arachness

[shell grail]

yeah, that's why

My Arachness still A2 without picking any from the past eggs

[torn thicket]

Before stag u need attackers

[shell grail]

I have plenty of them, that's why I am not a fan of her

[torn thicket]

But yep stag is good too

[shell grail]

she's like a female version of dino

with faster cast speed

but squishy

[torn thicket]

Yep

[shell grail]

I am not a fan to both

[torn thicket]

I have 5 account with her hahaha

But in 1 of the account I got stag +4

[chilly rose]

i wonder which x* familiar ya'll feed for bonding tree. were there any strategy or tips for it?

[tired mist]

Basic 4* if a10 already, 3* if don't have any spares. You save 8 fruits to get it to 6* if you start with a 4*

[chilly rose]

ah, so basically only use spare ones that already at a10 to save materials. I see. Thank you for info. I just about to use the 1* & 2* ones. Glad i ask here first lol.

[rich sage]

Best to use is the familiar u got from doing the side quest like toko or purrloiner if those two are your main familiar though

[tired mist]

I can't get my head around re-doing purr event. I hated it so much 😂

[chilly rose]

purrloiner is my main familiar, except toko. need the mats to lv30 stag 1st then i start with toko.
for now i focus on my field familiar first. Purr+stag+rgbdl. Need to lv30 & 300 enhance those 1st while im working with toko.

[tired mist]

New player right?

[torn thicket]

Morning guys

Guys I have x2 rare eggs with relix, so aracness a8 or Relix a7?

[woeful wing]

relix imo

[torn thicket]

But is relix a7 really good ? For Fa and GP

[woeful wing]

ye and it will help you in gneral for farming

[shell grail]

Relixx, ofc

Relixx is not include in usual monthly egg, that's the big reason

and Relixx can fit to every ele pve slot

[chilly rose]

yes i am 😇

[waxen spoke]

remind me please, 5 personal is better than 6 general?

gloves

ah, i rememrer. 6 better

[fluid brook]

Imo Relixx a7 for upgraded passive

[chilly rose]

This is all i have for now lol. 😆

[lime storm]

w/c one is stronger in familiar arena aurora lynx or sapdragon?

[chilly rose]

yup, rushing wont do anything and will spread out the mats thin

[gritty grotto]

Do you guys know when relix will come again in summon

[tired mist]

Focus on upgrading toko.
Shrimp, mite, oro, ebon are great regular 4* familiars. Purr is okay too since you can easily upgrade him

[torn thicket]

The last one was in april

[fluid brook]

Next week for sure

[gritty grotto]

I hope so need to awaken relixx

Its my only high awake rare fam

[rich sage]

Watch them bring puffu banner again

Usually fadil knows the best

But i somehow feel like netmarbol loves puffu too

[tired mist]

Average

[clear rover]

Don't worry about using your familiar content resources (Bonding tree fragments and Fruit Evolution). As long as you use it for 2 or 3 elements you will easily reach Bonding tree Grade 60+.

If you only focus on one element, you will "somehow" hit a wall because you will need Bonding tree Grade 60 to progress your element to Tier 60. ((Requirement cap))

[shell grail]

is there a cap?

idk that before

[clear rover]

Well I have a friend who experienced being stuck at element Tier 59

Couldn't progress because the requirement is Grade 60 bonding tree

[shell grail]

good to know, ty for info

[rich hound]

are you sure buddy?

seems liike you can make your element higher than your bonding tree

[tired mist]

You're grade 72

[rich hound]

but the dark element is 73

Or does it only applies to "60"?

[shell grail]

yeah, thats the point

the 60th gate

[rich hound]

ohhh hahah

i thought he's referring to element cannot go above bonding tree

my bad

[clear rover]

Thank God I no longer need to explain wahahaha but yeah to those who are still below Grade 60 😁 keep in mind to avoid hitting a wall

[tired mist]

Probably 99% of players are below 60 😅 (on global)

[shell grail]

lv.60 requires 153 fam in total

[clear rover]

I'm pretty sure I made the word bonding tree grade and element tier as bold text

And that message is unedited.

[waxen spoke]

Guys, any news what familiar will be in the shop next?

[tired mist]

Not yet prob on monday

Hoping for a relixx rerun before they release Nost so I can a7 relixx and spend the rest of my ressources on Nost

[waxen spoke]

i want Nost now) seems like rai preparation event is about to end, so they release a new fam after it. but since im f2p, ill just do 1 round

need 1 copy of ursa to go a7

5 days till molten a7

and 2 moth till f/lynx a7)

[waxen spoke]

As for me it's a PvP fam. It can be used for FA, but u need to pair her with relix and dokey/Gloomi/bull

[desert whale]

heyy

Can someone help me making a good Grand Prix Team? (I'm currently working on making Ebon Taurex stronger).

[tired mist]

Scroll up or make a research in convo. A lot of tips have been made already. Reroll buffs and keep 9 of them. You don't need more.

[waxen spoke]

wanted to celebrate my comeback...50% to a7 both failed. never go 50 to a7 guys

[chilly rose]

wow, you optimistic on 50% is commendable. I don't even trust the 80% 😆

[shell grail]

● New Familiar

• 4★ Sleepyhead

what's it?

[shell grail]

My guess is Slee
https://sites.google.com/view/ninokuro-en-hub/familiars/familiars-list/familiar-slee

[desert whale]

nice

[shell grail]

https://youtu.be/tPpCprlDshI

hate for guess it right

[tired mist]

Looks good in arena. Can't afford it. Still need to hold for relixx

[shell grail]

I believe meta will has some change due to this one

[tired mist]

Don't know how many people will get it. My server is kindda dead tbh

3rd top 100 in gp. That's what's up

[waxen spoke]

im going to a7 him)

[shell grail]

F2P it is

[desert whale]

xd

[waxen spoke]

They've added Gloomi into hatching eggs

got ursa today and i failed 1 yesterday. could a7 today lol

[shell grail]

GL on GP to u all

[west pike]

What counters robot rabbit and dino?

[waxen spoke]

bull can counter bunny, sun and bull can counter dino. stag and rimu can counter both

[west pike]

Ohhh Thx Mr BunnyBot nothing better than ur answer LOL

[west pike]

Ohh nice advice @lime storm appreciate it

[waxen spoke]

33%

this guy is f_ing useless. I 50% to a8 and a9, but i never used him even though he has 3 rare toys...

[shell grail]

bully xD

[waxen spoke]

u know that on FA he is not very good, right?) his damage is not strong(

[shell grail]

haha, just try to protect this useless deer

at least he is BIS for fighting hot spring chicken

[tired mist]

He looks like a chill dude tho

[waxen spoke]

Not anymore. Event is over. Fams like kona a.lynx and etc don't dork in dimensional border boss. I've tested. It used to be great, but I got him a7 and went to the wakation and skipped the ranking fight🤣 don't have that title

[tired mist]

They do work

[shell grail]

some

[fossil gazelle]

but hot spring chicken isn't on the dimensional border boss rotation

so it is pretty useless

atleast i haven't seem it so far

[waxen spoke]

Tested myself - they dont. Damage doesn't drastically increase in dimensional border weekly boss and u can believe me because I got the 1st emperor on engineer on my server and I have all event fams

[shell grail]

I have to disagree, because it worked for me (some of them)

like Bougie worked for me last weekend

Soar Boar worked also back then

[waxen spoke]

I'll test this weekend and provide u my data)

[shell grail]

no need, we all know this (bug) a while ago.
it worked for some not all ppl

just use whatever best to suit us or give it a try with them

[woeful wing]

the one with passives seem to work, but aactive skills like kona/lynx dont

[tired mist]

Aurora too

[tired mist]

Oh maybe. That'd make sense

[torn thicket]

I dont know how rimu a def familiar can be too powerful.. hit like a truck

[tired mist]

Exactly why I spent all my asterite to a7 him. I don't like player pvp in this game anyway.

[shell grail]

yayyyyy, I don't even have it

[rich sage]

Congrats!

[shell grail]

my new mat for another combination

[tired mist]

Classic, either one you don't use or a useless feather

[shell grail]

and got the rare general vest back... WTF

[clear rover]

well... I got rare feather after fusing 3 rares too

[torn thicket]

Specific 5* or general 6*?

[west pike]

general 6*

[rich sage]

Oh i never know rare can be combined again tf

[waxen spoke]

3 rounds + bought 4 copies

[shell grail]

update us when u used it for a while

[waxen spoke]

I'm out of jellies) I have no idea who to pair it with

[tired mist]

F2p btw

[tired mist]

Good with high bust, high cooldowns i guess. Arach, hippo, cinder, relixx, aurora, sapdragon

[waxen spoke]

Hmm.. might work with stag+relix+a.lynx+sleepy+sun

My problem is that hippo has only a1. I was very unlucky on him in all my banners

[grizzled latch]

Not really worth pulling

[waxen spoke]

stag+hippo+cactus do read damage together

[tired mist]

Stag and hippo work really well together

[grizzled latch]

Can also pair sleepyhead like this

Arach,Stag front

Sleepy,Sapdragon,Cinder Back

[shell grail]

600 wow

[torn thicket]

Im the only one here using aracness? 😦

[woeful wing]

hm? arachness is everywhere

[torn thicket]

And best support to use with her for attack?

[clear rover]

Video of my Hippo + Arachnes match against Slee

As forHippo, it is worth pulling.
Also, just to say that Arachnes still exist and popular.

((I only have Arachnes awaken 8))

@grizzled latch @torn thicket

[torn thicket]

I'm having problems with her but is still a7

[clear rover]

positioning is important.

[clear rover]

It is a glass cannon. :))) so... it's risky to put it up front. Risk of being canceled is high... just like the one you sent.

[clear rover]

This is good RNG and yes, your other match loses also because of bad RNG wherein the enemy Ebon was first to activate its skill and canceled your arachnes 😦

[torn thicket]

I killed this guy 4 time and always ma ebon was first

[clear rover]

Yea you just got unlucky with that match due to RNG thats why RNG-jesus is a scary situation we always have :)))))

look at the enemy Sunshine... good thing it didn't debuff you that hard...

[torn thicket]

A10 aracness is always ready for every rng situation but mine is a7.. 😦

[clear rover]

because we had situation before in Grand Prix league where someone lose due to Sunshine debuffing the damager

[torn thicket]

Look the last match

[clear rover]

Good sustain by the way.

The heal swamp really did a big help keeping Dino and Arach alive

[torn thicket]

I will use the same compo but with relix

Just need some months..:(

And relix banner ..

[opaque basin]

I tried asking this question for awhile but maybe simplifying the question,
can a10 squib replace a10 toko in fam arena 1v1?
situational? never?
best guesses are welcome too

[shell grail]

it can

if your team strong enough to wait for 2nd heal and so on

squip heal less than toko but come with dmg reduction buff

[opaque basin]

thanks i think w my squib stil a6.5 maybe toko can get maxed,
then focus squib, keep mains up too,
and probably tree growth will slow and w natural tree growth, mains, toko,
by the time squib more 8-9+ everything will work out
then not just replace but be option and can do more tests
see u in 8 months

[tired mist]

If you don't whale on bonding tree, we get roughly enough gummies with conquest and gp to keep up enhancement with tree growth. So you'll be able to max them out as your tree grow 🙂

[waxen spoke]

check out my tree)

[shell grail]

well balance, kinda

[torn thicket]

I'm leveling dark to +50 first 😦

[waxen spoke]

I play GA, so I can't go 1 element

[torn thicket]

Me too

But I have others at +20

I'm getting 5 lvs every 2 weeks

[chilly rose]

Ahh, so thats the reason disbelef was at the front~! I saw a player does this in Pyro Ara too once. Didn't remember the name. Damn Disb + Shrimp combo heals. Im gonna copy this too. lol

[gritty grotto]

how to counter sunshine+ebon+hippo opponent

or ebon+hippo only

[rich sage]

I have difficulity with hippo user too at the back

My stag kinda dont even skill at all tf

[gritty grotto]

my line up is not effective now i always use

disbelief oroboros
toko mite
sparkee

[shell grail]

try Dururu

[gritty grotto]

Who i replace?

[shell grail]

disbeleaf

but his job is to draw Hippo attention toward him for the 1st wave of skill
so if u can take frontline down fast enough, u might get wreck.

[gritty grotto]

Hard to defeat with front ebon i always lose

Even tho i put dururu and get bait hippo

Cant kill ebon asap because of shrimp+toko

[shell grail]

u need to find the way
my suggestion is ebon vs ebon and hopefully your ebon push theirs back

or u might need Stagthorn to pull their healer up front

[gritty grotto]

Im using elemental skill bond disbelief+toko+oro so if i remove sparkee or mite damage is not enough 2 hitters only

Or i remove disbelief? But what skill bond should i use hidden fragments+attk weakening+supp weakening?

Or def front

[shell grail]

only hippo atk? atk weak not worth slot

might try defense weak

with hidden fragment and sup weak

[gritty grotto]

Ebon toko mite oro sparkee

This ebon really op with hippo + heal sustain

[shell grail]

where your range attacker?

any?

[gritty grotto]

I dont have

Only suiryu

My hippo not strong a4

I mean a5

[shell grail]

your attacker rn are all melee

that suck vs Hippo

Oro can stand strong but not mite

[gritty grotto]

Yes i dont have range only suiryu

[shell grail]

Dururu oro sparkee toko suiryu

how strong your Suiryu?

[gritty grotto]

Ehh not much 5s toys

Specific

+340

[shell grail]

but worth a try

how mite doing in the past matchup?

[gritty grotto]

Really bad hahaha i always lose right now in my server

But my def good

Always win

[shell grail]

yeah, so try put him out against those kind of defense

swap with suiryu

[gritty grotto]

I always use
disbelief oro
Toko mite
Sparkee

But now its not effective

[shell grail]

u cant use that against all

u need to adapt and adjust

learn from your replay and knowledge from here

[gritty grotto]

Coz thats only my high cp haha

All of most use fam melee

My range fam only hippo and suiryu

[shell grail]

where your free eggs?

try push hippo to A7 for more choices

[waxen spoke]

Best 3 fams for attack through tripple element:

1. kona+f.lynx+mite\shrimp\squirrel
2. stag+toko+cactus
3. glomi+relix+rimu\bull
4. hippo+suriyu+puffu\sage raindeer
5. a.lynx+speepyhead+crab\sun\monkey

Personally used first 2 and it works great, especially fire squad against toko+disb+shrimp+squiiby+bull combo

[gritty grotto]

I use free eggs for stag cos i will use it too in pvp still a1

Last time i use it for my squibby to get a3

[waxen spoke]

this guy is pure F2P. Only does light fams) fish a8 510...takes bunnybot from the rare egg

he is higher than me. i also have f2p team, but i run squibby a9

and that guy is number 4 as u see

[torn thicket]

Then is bunny a God when reach a9-a10? Is carrying him hard

[waxen spoke]

idk, my is a6

[torn thicket]

I got a acc with bunny a2 and 7 eggs xd

Also with squid a9 and near top10 but I need improve my attack so I was thinking to get arachness haha

[tired mist]

@waxen spoke @shell grail my squibby reached a7. I was thinking to switch my monthly egg to either stag or arach to improve my offense. What do you guys think?
1- continue to awaken squibby
2- awaken arach
3- awaken stag
Atm: no stag and a1 arach. If I don't go the arach path, I'm probably gonna invest in dino instead

[waxen spoke]

Continue squibby to a9) then 33 it)

[rich sage]

my squibbby just failed to awaken 7 and it hurts so much

[tired mist]

Not sure that would be enough vs 520k+ cp teams on my server tbh. Mostly dark familiars which bunnybot is weak too

[torn thicket]

I have a9 squiby and I can say that bunny is 100% better than squiby

[shell grail]

IMO, leave Squibby at A7 then go for stag or arach, your choice

[shell grail]

I want to test that, but need a couple month to get A7

[waxen spoke]

525 fish...

[waxen spoke]

F2P team with squibby. And don't say please that squibby is P2P! There were enough eggs to make him a7+
This is the best team you can set for defence if you don't spend money in NNK

[spring forum]

True test is when you put this team against stag and 2 strong dps

In my server many does have this team and it’s easy win

But I have no idea every server is bit different

In our server lot of top rankers have stag a8 to a10

[shell grail]

classic stall

[waxen spoke]

Now I can add 1 more team here
sage+puffu+squibby (+cactus+stag)
sweet against dururu+shrimp+squibby formations

[waxen spoke]

the only downside of it that - soon people will know that you are a very hard target to be killed, so they just stop attacking you and you stop getting points

[shell grail]

or might be always targeted by someone who easily beat u

[waxen spoke]

stall destruction

[tired mist]

Classic top 10 situation

[shell grail]

some top30 on Asia, some

[clear rover]

Spot the imposter

[torn thicket]

I had a dream -->Relix next week

[spring forum]

That’s good means Nost banner is here

Your dram could come true 😁😁😁

[shell grail]

I always did it once or twice on my main ele and weekend until I have no 4s left to do it

maybe not

but if u have raccoon, its okay

[tired mist]

I do once per day on friday for dark and both weekend days. F2p.
We get enough diamonds from twisted, gp and alts. Only thing I spend diamonds for beside familiar summons.

[tired mist]

Puffu banner

[fluid brook]

Same reaction

"Who daf*ck wants another puffu banner?"

[winter light]

Please relix banner

They might actually put this puffu banner for 40 days like what

[shell grail]

don't worry, they can make it multiple banner

💸

[torn thicket]

Can be 3? 😦

[shell grail]

yes, and can be more

[torn thicket]

Whos better relix or glommy?

[shell grail]

Relixx can boost your dark familiars dmg output and silence enemies
Gloomie can manipulate enemies to attack their own teammate

cant compare, they have diff role

but Relixx is better in term of DPS

[fluid brook]

relix or gloomie if you're investing for both FA and PvP?

[shell grail]

why not both? xD

[fluid brook]

Only have room for 1 in active PvP deck

[waxen spoke]

none of them. go molten, crab, stag/rimu

[waxen spoke]

because of the fire field boss.
i wonder why they haven't aired a.lynx banner for the raid with sleepyhead

[waxen spoke]

You just switch decks and that's it. In your second deck you use dokey, relix, gloomi

[winter light]

they can but they won't

[torn thicket]

Guys a8 relix or help arachness to a9,its a7

500 day egg + roulette + 1 from shop so I can do arachness a8 next week and next month a9 or just a8 relix and keep arachness a8 until december when I get another egg to +9..

I have 40k diamonds and in 2 week more maybe near 1500 tickets to pull relix when it comes..

[waxen spoke]

dont pull relix banner. pull nost. u might get relix from it

[torn thicket]

Nost?

That nost is good? I already have relix +7 and really want it to a10 😦

[spring forum]

But the capsule

I did Ursa from a0 to a9 only buying capsule and also from surprise shop random chest

Next is gloomi as I missed the banner

I’ll start working on it but the time banner comes i can make it easy a10 as well

Gloomi is many ways better then relixx

[raw drift]

investing in a rimu is good for both PVP and familiar arena/grand prix. I'm kinda sad that mine didn't make it to a7 when the banner came out. I'm still short by 20k asterites to buy another copy of rimu to push him to a7. D:

That said, any suggestions on countering the triple heals meta of toko/shrimp/squibby? im running a dark team with dino / relixx / ebon / toko and 1 flex dps on it but sometimes they can still stall it out.

unfortunately, i have no stagthorn yet.

i made the mistake of investing in hippo rather than stag with the free eggs.

[shell grail]

that's my answer

[torn thicket]

U can use a0 staghorn and still works

[raw drift]

haha just to drag that stupid squid forward, no?

im thinking of building stag once a filler banner comes out with it, but i kinda wanna use the free eggs to push my hippo to a10 in preparation for ultimate evolution. thoughts?

[torn thicket]

Yes.

[raw drift]

damn that hippo. still my biggest regret to this day.

[torn thicket]

To me too 😦

When was the last gloomie banner?

[torn thicket]

Lol

[raw drift]

haha speaking of that seahorse mfooker

[clear rover]

Weird :/ I rolled in Sleepyhead banner and got Puffu (total of 2 today)

earlier risk awaken 50% to Awaken 9

few moments ago risk awaken 33% to awaken 10

[torn thicket]

[raw drift]

How are you so lucky with hatches. QAQ

I get wishes for rare 4s but they come back as ruff. orz

[raw drift]

At least Puffu is OP.

Happened to me too on the relixx banner before.

I run puffu with sparkee for a full aspd team. Easy win against non-earth and non-healstall teams.

I kinda wanted to try puffu + kona team but my kona is still a5 so that's not happening lol

[raw drift]

sadt.

[shell grail]

🔹 Expansion with Tree of Solidarity System in KR (I hope it doesn't mean that you can feed familiars to +900 now, OMG)
maximum grade for Tree of Solidarity increased from LVL 100 to LVL 120
maximum level for elemental Fruits of Solidarity increased from LVL 90 to 128
maximum enhancement for Familiars from 200 to 235 for ATK, DEF and HP respectively
6 new skills: Weakness to Fire, Weakness to Water, Weakness to Earth, Weakness to Light, Weakness to Dark, Challenger

credit to @modern slate

not +900, that's 705

from 600

[modern slate]

I'll be able to give more details like flat numbers and descriptions of skills when I actually log into the game in KR version

[shell grail]

appreciate it, want to know about those new bond skills

[waxen spoke]

Puffu is OP. Kona same thing, but she is stronger, however she is melee, so dies faster.
I use puffu, squibby, sagedeer combo with 3 of 1 element and 45 awakenings

[modern slate]

I'll give numbers and description for skills at LVL 1 and LVL 10.
Take a note it's info from KR, it may be adjusted for global.

🔹 Weakness to Fire - ATK and DEF of enemy Fire familiars is reduced by 5% (by 1% at LVL 1)

🔹 Weakness to Water - ATK and DEF of enemy Water familiars is reduced by 5% (by 1% at LVL 1)

🔹 Weakness to Earth - ATK and DEF of enemy Earth familiars is reduced by 5% (by 1% at LVL 1)

🔹 Weakness to Light - ATK and DEF of enemy Light familiars is reduced by 5% (by 1% at LVL 1)

🔹 Weakness to Dark - ATK and DEF of enemy Dark familiars is reduced by 5% (by 1% at LVL 1)

🔹 Challenger - chance for critical increased by 10% (by 1% at LVL 1) and damage from Crit increased by 15% (by 3% at LVL 1) for ally familiars when summoned familiar's CP is lower than opponent's.

[modern slate]

@shell grail There's a missing text in the description for Kuromi's Heart.
I'll add it after I get concrete numbers, there should be "Increased ATK and Light DEF for Dark familiars in the lineup, ATK increases for every Dark weapon equipped in the deck."

[modern slate]

Update for familiar skills
@shell grail You can delete the pics with descriptions above, there were some errors in the middle of translation (sorry about that, feels that I've been tired already).
These ones were proofread before sending here.

My Melody:
Passive skill (My Melody's Heart):
Increased ATK and Dark DEF (both by 2% at a1 and by 4% at a10) for Light familiars in the lineup, ATK increases by 2% at a1 (by 5% at a10) each time when weapon fills Burst Gauge. My Melody cheers on partner whenever familiar is summoned to partner's side, Light damage is increased by 3% for partner for 2s whenever any basic action is performed. Additionally, +200% damage for partner and accompanying familiars when My Melody's Heart skill is active in Kuromi's DJ House dungeon.

Active skill (Please ♪):
Area-wide blessing with smile~
at a1: 11% max HP + 3800 HP Regen + 11% immediate charge of Burst Gauge for partner
at a10: 20% max HP + 20 000 HP Regen + 20% immediate charge of Burst Gauge for partner
at a1: 5.5% max HP + 1900 HP Regen + 3.3% immediate charge of Burst Gauge for partner's party members
at a10: 10% max HP + 10 000 HP Regen + 6% immediate charge of Burst Gauge for partner's party members
damage from Burst skill is increased by 6% at a1 (by 15% at a10) for 5s and damage inflicted to targets affected with Flash increased by 6% at a1 (by 15% at a10)

Battle / Active (Upset):
Cry me a river! My Melody is distressed and starts crying.
50% chance that enemy familiars will be affected with silence debuff for 2.5s
Enemy familiar's Accuracy reduced by 11% at a1 (20% at a10), ATK reduced by 13.75% (by 25% at a10) and Heal Recovery reduced by 33% (by 60% at a10) for 5s

---

Kuromi:
Passive skill (Kuromi's Heart):
Increased ATK and Light DEF (both by 2% at a1 and by 4% at a10) for Dark familiars in the lineup, ATK increases by 2% at a1 (by 5% at a10) for every Dark weapon equipped in the deck. When Kuromi cheers on partner whenever familiar is summoned to partner's side: ATK is increased by 2% at a1 (by 6% at a10) and Dark damage is increased by 3% for partner for 2s whenever any basic action is performed. Additionally, skill becomes more potent at Kuromi's DJ House and taken damage from all elements inside dungeon is reduced by 20% at a1 (by 50% at a10).

Active skill (Avarice):
Time for some mischief! Kuromi makes some pranks on partner and target out of excitement. Increased chance for critical (3.7% at a1, 10% at a10) and attack speed (6% at a1, 15% at a10) for partner for 7s while the exciting music is on. Targets within area of skill's effect will receive (5.5% at a1, 10% at a10) more damage from familiar's partner and party members for 7s. Additionally, if target is a player, target will be afflicted with binding status effect and forbidden to use familiars for5s.

Battle / Active (Dance Time):
Dance Dance Revolution! Kuromi is excited to dance and 3 random enemy familiars are caught up in the process, dancing with Kuromi like mad as well as unable to fight and use skills for 4s. As long as they're dancing, enemy familiar's ATK is reduced by 30.4% at a1 (43% at a10) and DEF by 11% at a1 (20% at a10).

[shell grail]

appreciate

[spring forum]

Thank you @modern slate

[raw drift]

dang +705. im still at +435 lol

[clear rover]

the hell... then what will happen to Whippersnapper

Kuromi : dance dance revolution! skill taunts for 4 seconds.

Whippersnapper: Taunt skill taunts for only 2 seconds.

[raw drift]

So basically, Melody is a Sunshine copy, and Kuromi is Rimu copy.

[clear rover]

Kuromi is kind of more scary due to the skill effect of "3 random enemy familiars" - So does this mean global skill?... just like the skill description of Penguicorn or Crab o Lantern wherein they target 3 familiars.....?

Also, dancing with Kuromi - is kind of vague. We don't know what it really meant "dancing with" because if its like just staying in their current position and dancing or dancing walking towards Kuromi?

[potent spruce]

guys is this worth upping?

[clear rover]

Yes but you will be relying to RNG-jesus tho

I'll send you some old clips

but before that, I use Penguicorn in Grand prix

[spring forum]

I like him I use to use him before

[clear rover]

I'll send you some old clips starting from "before the bonding tree buff was implemented"

That one I believe dated back in the month of February

..
..
Next clip dated back in the month of July

[raw drift]

I was considering penguicorn before bonding tree too as some sort of stall team. But yeah, nowadays it's just put 4 heals into your team + 1 interruptor like sunshine or ebon. =_=

[clear rover]

@potent spruce

[potent spruce]

i ts actually sick

with 3 rare toys 18% initial cd reduction

and 36% gneral cd reduction

[clear rover]

Yours is better since you have 3 rare toys

[raw drift]

Idk if it was a bug or intended, but pengui's blind can also interrupt healers from casting their heals sometimes.

[potent spruce]

O.O

[clear rover]

Yes, like shrimpaler if no nearby target and got blinded. It will stop attacking

[raw drift]

Even toko. Cos he's reliant on aiming.

[clear rover]

As for Toko, usually it will heal itself if theres damage and got blinded 🙂

[raw drift]

The squid is unaffected cos it's global.

[clear rover]

@potent spruce you are so lucky XD I want that Pengui rare toy! (I need 1 more)

[potent spruce]

i crafted a total of 7 already they haunt me

[raw drift]

Btw, im tempted to jelly the white monkey. Just realized it heals for 30%. Splish only heals 20%

Due to budget constraints lately, i wasnt able to roll for cinder. Man, i really wanted that one.

By jelly, i mean beyond 300.

[clear rover]

When it comes to skill cooldown Thumbelemur Versus Splisher
Splisher is superior than Thumbelemur.
But the gameplay differs and despite Splisher having better skill cooldown.. Thumbelemur is safer to go with; because of;
Monkey is more safe because it stays at the back.

[clear rover]

I feel you

[raw drift]

True. That's my current problem with my grand prix team 3. No decent ranged healer.

[clear rover]

well even with decent ranged healer if we really get unlucky match up... and the team we set it up with were up against the element we're inferior of... + wrong position... Yep.. still GG

[raw drift]

Heck, even my team 2 is having problems. My disbeleaf goes down so fast.

I relocated him to the backline so he doesnt get hit by first skill wave, but then my toko is now in front. =_= At least the toko is fatter, i guess.

Will check the results tomorrow.

I'll try with monke for defense right now. I have no choice but to use splish on atk cos i need the water badges. Lol

[clear rover]

Yep Splish is also good since it is a melee support... might as well do it's job being a meat shield hahaha

[raw drift]

Maybe if i get spare jellies in the future. Mine's only 360 right now.

Im tempted to give disbeleaf an HP feather instead. Like, 2 cd hairpin + 1 feather. So he can at least tank.

[clear rover]

true but I like my disbeleaf with lesser skill cooldown

unless you have Sleepyhead in the team

[raw drift]

But how to make it die less. QAQ

No. Gawd I wish I have a7 sleepy

[clear rover]

pair it with familiars that can protect it :))
Penguicorn for backline support
Damager/initiator with Crowd control such as Hippo, Gloomie, A.Lynx, Stagthorn, Ebon, Mite, and other familiars that has Crowd control and can skill fast.

of course you need 1 more healer too

[raw drift]

Lol i added him to my pewpew puffu team.

[clear rover]

also good ~

speaking of puffu

I just had mine a10 :)))

but sad tho

[raw drift]

Boo

[potent spruce]

damn

i wish i had puffu10

[clear rover]

I sacrificed his rare toys

[potent spruce]

same 3 already cause hes awk1

[raw drift]

Oof

[clear rover]

Check this out risk awakening HAHAHA

[potent spruce]

easyyy nice

[clear rover]

I Yolo'ed

got triggered because I was hoping for Sleepyhead

but it was weird that day

I got 2 puffu in that day

Risk awaken 50% from 8 to awaken 9

I wasnt able to record the vid for that

but when I saw the color animation + the icon...

yep I recorded and flipped.

Risk awaken 33% from 9 to awaken 10

good thing it was successful.

but yeah I rolled in Sleepyhead banner

[raw drift]

They probably boosted puffu on both banner by mistake.

[clear rover]

[raw drift]

I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

[modern slate]

Enemy familiars stop casting skills and fighting, they dance for 4s. I checked it out in Familiar's Adventure yesterday when I got Kuromi.

[clear rover]

@modern slate can you provide a video? I'm really interested about Kuromi

[modern slate]

I'll try record it in the evening after daily reset in KR, I'm out of tickets right now.

[raw drift]

so it really functions more like rimu's fear.

[clear rover]

Do they dance like walking randomly or stay where they are and just dance animation?

[tired mist]

Monkey has more healing but longer to heal and safer as a range. Splisher is melee so riskier but has an instant heal + heal per sec. I'm using monkey over splisher myself on worst team

[raw drift]

wait, it has instant heal, or you mean it heals faster?

[shell grail]

pray

[west pike]

[shell grail]

I just select both 4+

and pray

1 more thing, use this batch hatch when capital has hourglass using reduction buff

aka hatching time reduction

[west pike]

yep i do this

thats a very nice tip

[tired mist]

Splishers heal is a small par instant and the other per second. Read active skill

[gritty grotto]

Where to get the star for hatching egg

[shell grail]

lack of star? really?

daily power up, fam release, etc...

[gritty grotto]

Yes but not my main account haha lots of eggs like 3k but that star only 100ish left

Idk why

[west pike]

Any tips to get more of these?

[shell grail]

same daily things, fam release

[west pike]

sadge

i got 1500 eggs

🥲

[shell grail]

currently saving till the hatching time reduction activated

[raw drift]

Same. I have 12k hourglass. It hasn't appeared in a while in our server.

I really hope it comes out soon. I need to hatch so i can get jellies.

[shell grail]

imagine it comes out but the capital winner choose for only their kd xD

[torn thicket]

[rich sage]

Cant when in history only got bonus domination medal per fb from capital

[rich sage]

Buy in moneymaamm

[fluid brook]

Nah they gave it to everyone last time hatch time came. I hatched almost 3k eggs
(0rares )

[rich sage]

It does? 😭 man. I missed that. 😭

[waxen spoke]

No. Not worth. There are many better options

[rich sage]

Does upping baloonatic worth it?

Oh and for f2p

[modern slate]

@clear rover I remember about video, just can't log into the game for unknown reason to record it.
It seems that KR had been connection issues since last evening, waiting for them to sort issues out.

[waxen spoke]

Guys, I've heard that they have familiar evolutions on Korea. Is that true? If yes - how does that work, what that give us, what fams can evolve?

[spring forum]

For now might and molten

Soon hippo

[raw drift]

So far only mite, tarakona, and molten.

[waxen spoke]

What is the effect?

[raw drift]

Next batch is probably suiryu, hippo and puffu.

[waxen spoke]

I have Kona 9, failed 33%

[raw drift]

They get fam arena passives, and their skills change for the better.

[shell grail]

https://youtu.be/aDLKpbR5VR8?t=355&si=AGkXVfC2D2rIafdC

more detail, use search function and search about it posted by @modern slate

[modern slate]

@clear rover @shell grail I selected a bit weaker team for the record so that you could see a0 Kuromi in action with casting skills
it's still a0 and without any toys dedicated for this familiar

[shell grail]

dancing on da floor

more likely standing still

[modern slate]

Yeah, they're just overwhelmed with music, listening to it in some kind of trance 😄

not sure what toy for Kuromi improves but probably cooldown of familiar's skills
maybe I'll check Korean forums when I have some free time

[waxen spoke]

[clear rover]

Thank you very much! I'll watch it later 😊

[waxen spoke]

Here's my gang
+a1 ara, hippo and rimu

[waxen spoke]

5 days till Molten a7

[modern slate]

Yeah, KR servers have Familiar Ultimate Evolution for Kona, Molten Lion and Mite at the moment.
Water familiars will be added in November - devs teased evolution for Hippocampus.

Some links for you:
#💬｜general-chat message
#💬｜general-chat message
#💬｜general-chat message
#💬｜general-chat message

Ultimate Evolution has a separate menu so you feed specific 6✩ LVL 30 a10 familiars to +600 there with two items: Ultimate Fruits (to +300) and Familiar's Spirit (up to +300), you're able to evolve familiar through quest when you reach +600. You get Ultimate Fruits from Familiar's Adventure and Familiar's Spirit from killing familiar boss (Ghost Knight, it's very rare) in Familiar's Adventure or from Grand Prix matches.

If you evolve your familiar, you unlock Transcendent Awakening - you need copy of familiar to get from a10 of normal awakening to a1 transcendent awakening.

[modern slate]

I'll deliver more info about Water familiars for Ultitmate Evolution when Korean branch provides it in GM Note.

[waxen spoke]

So for me to evolve Kona it must be a10?

Or just 6st lvl30?

[raw drift]

A10

[modern slate]

quest to unlock Ultimate Evolution starts when your Mite, Kona or Molten are 6✩ LVL 30, but it requires awakening lvl 10 for evolution process and Transcendent Awakening after you evolve them.

[torn thicket]

How many copy?

[modern slate]

At least 9 copies of Mite to get lvl 10 Transcendent Awakening, I guess.
I'm not that far to confirm it, it's another long-term process for F2P.

[torn thicket]

But the copys need to be 6*?

[waxen spoke]

I wanna see Kona's evolution

Charizard?

[modern slate]

there are pics of evolved Kona in #💬｜general-chat

[modern slate]

Not sure, no one wanted to provide such info

[raw drift]

Oh good. I thought they needed to be +600 jelly.

[torn thicket]

So relix a8 in the next month.. but that rulette suc..

[shell grail]

fark, RIP 100 kits

[west pike]

How much time to the mite evolution come to global ?

[spring forum]

I got back to back atk one 3 times 😭😭😭 useless one

[amber ridge]

6star rare armor or 6star def familiar specific toy?

[clear rover]

What I do is I at least equip 6* Def Specific toy for that DMG Taken 12% reduction
and then mix with that rare 6* rare jacket for that DEF 10% multiplier + Skill DMG 4% reduction

example:

I went for Rare feather for Max HP % and ATK Spd - ((because I use him as my back up damage contributor to go up against water element familairs))

but you can go with

two 6star Def specific toy
+
one rare jacket

[amber ridge]

ty

[rich sage]

Is it good to raise baloonatic?

I am kinda stuck on what to raise cuz i dont really have any other dpses though

[shell grail]

yeah, my stag finally

[raw drift]

I do the reverse. 1 specific, 2 rare jackets. Is that bad?

[clear rover]

It's still okay as long as you have at least 1 specific in it

[raw drift]

I have extra copies of the specific, though. I swap them out when I see the enemy team relies on skill spams to win (hippo + stag + arachnes type of lineup)

Been wondering tho, since there aren't any explanation anywhere. What does the specific toy mitigate? Skill dmg or any dmg?

[shell grail]

any dmg

plus weakness ele reduction on rare

[raw drift]

I see. Cos sometimes it doesn't feel like it. It feels more like it only mitigates skill. That's why i was exploring wearing pink jackets more on my ebon.

[clear rover]

I don't know the exact formula but let's say it's something like this;

(Your DEF + DEF % + DMG Reduction + Skill DMG Reduction) -(Enemy's ATK + ATK % + Ele DMG increase + DMG Increase + Skill DMG Increase)
--Take note this is not the actual formula because the usual formula consist of multiplication and division. Not just add and subtract-- and I suck at math.. So I'm sorry

I believe Specific Toys are** superior** because of DMG Reduction for Defense Familiars and **DMG Increase for Attack Familiars **

but there are cases wherein we have to consider 6 stars Regular versus Rare Toys.

The specific toys may be superior in overall DMG reduction or DMG increase but if you compare a regular 6 star specific toy(Life jacket) versus rare general toy (Padded jacket). Another variable needed to consider.. That is Raw stats and the additional effect such as; **Skill DMG reduction +4%**gain from the rare toys.

--Remember general toy (Padded Jacket) is Def %, so it is a stat DEF Multiplier--

In conclusion, it is best to at least equip specific toy (ex., 6* Life Jacket) for the overall DMG reduction.

That is why I went for
Regular 6* Specific Life Jacket

• Rare Padded Jacket
• Rare Feather (for Max HP% and ATK SPD%)

--Because I use Stagthorn as my back up damage contributor to go up against water element familiars--

I can also go for
2 Regular 6* Specific Life Jacket

• Rare Padded Jacket

or

Regular 6* Specific Life Jacket

• 2 Rare Padded Jacket

As for Rare Specific Toys ex. Rare Life Jacket
It's recommended to use the Rare Specific Toys because of
Overall DMG Reduction +** Specific Elemental DMG Reduction(Additional Effect)**.

[spring forum]

Y’all just use ssr toys end of story

[rich hound]

what about 6 star specific vs rare 6 star general for defend and attack types.. which is better?

[clear rover]

I think I already answered that question.., but I'll elaborate it further.. 😅

But it's not entirely the same with attack familiars..

Attack familiars

I'd say.. Go with at least 1 specific

Then go with rare general mitten for (ATK% multiplier)

It's okay if you go with 2 rare general gloves + 1 specific gloves

[raw drift]

personal observation, if it's like a skill spammer like puffu or sparkee, they benefit from specific toy more.

atk familiars with huge, single strike skills could opt for mittens

[waxen spoke]

What a bad decision!

Have you actually tested that? I 100% believe that not.

[clear rover]

I did 🙂

[waxen spoke]

Rare 6st general jacket is weaker than 6st non rare personal jacket

[clear rover]

My stagthorn have always been like that ever since.

[waxen spoke]

And equal to 5st personal jacket

Gloves different story: 5p->6g->6p->6gr->pr

I uee all rare feathers and jackets to reroll for a good one

Only rare general gloves are cool

[raw drift]

I save rare feathers for certain melee attackers.

[clear rover]

I can't find my old clip wherein Shrimpaler + Stagthorn was able to survive due to the feather.

Anyway, I'm not here to argue. I'm just here to share what I can share. I provided the old clip before + some explanations. Thats all~ But if you have more to share, we will be grateful for that

[waxen spoke]

I already shared info about of toys a couple of month ago

[clear rover]

Since, we are already at this topic. I would like to ask if you can provide some videos ❤️ it will be more helpful.

Yes, I saw that and I believe my stagthorn (6s specific jacket + 1 rare padded jacket + 1 rare feather) paired with Shrimpaler was able to survive.

[waxen spoke]

Don't have videos. I took bull to fam adventure and switched toys and counted damage

[clear rover]

I believe I uploaded the clip before the actual discussion of your shared insight aout the toys.

[clear rover]

Mine was in Familiar arena

[waxen spoke]

Same thing

Toys work here and there

But in fam adventure u can do unlimited tests

U get hit by same mobs, experiment is more consistent

[clear rover]

again, not here to argue 🙂 I know same thing I'm just stating the fact the one I shared was from via Familiar Arena with similar CP power.

but of course with many variables in it due to the fact we are also talking about "Stats"

and "hidden stats"

[waxen spoke]

Gloves: 5p->6g->6p->6gr->pr
Jackets: 6g->5p=6gr->6p->pr

[clear rover]

@raw drift this is another insight.

[waxen spoke]

Do like 10 tests on each

Then you will have data to share

[clear rover]

I thought you already have? might as well share it again since it is saved in your hard drive. (probably)

[waxen spoke]

I do. But u said u too, but I checked it and it different then mine

So I don't understand how can we play the same game and have different results

[clear rover]

I provided mine maybe you can pin here. I know you discussed this before

maybe because I adjusted mine according to my opponent? or team synergy? which is not elaborated in the statements.

but I believe I mentioned --Because I use Stagthorn as my back up damage contributor to go up against water element familiars--

[waxen spoke]

No, u don't understand. To do tests and to say "oh, I figured something out - here is legit info" you need to do this tests in a right way. No buffing, not using many fams, have all the toys for the fam.

If u fight same familiars with the same setup u are good

[clear rover]

And again, let me remind you I'm not disagreeing with your statement and not here to argue because I do know there is nothing to argue.

You have a point and so the one I shared tested via Fam. Arena which is "clue" paired with Shrimapler".

[waxen spoke]

So there is no such thing as "synergy" when testing base damage. You just check on the numbers and pick the highest. Ofc relix with 6p toy will be better than with 6g. And with triple element too, than without it

[clear rover]

Thats why some users equip their Attack familiars or Support familiars with rare general toys because their objective is to "adapt" in a situation.

[waxen spoke]

6 personal jacket for stag is better than 6 rare feather 100%

[clear rover]

Don't worry I'll be the one to understand and give way. You are correct and we must listen to what you say 🙂 but I'll still equip mine with what I always been doing (with 1 rare feather because I have my own objective).

@raw drift If you have more questions about toys. Don't forget to tag @waxen spoke <-- I can vouch he has good credibility.

[waxen spoke]

In mathematics there is no such a thing as "my objective", "my perspective". It's science. We can do testing again and see the fam durability results

[clear rover]

yes yes don't worry you are correct. Your highness

[waxen spoke]

Loool, so why u stepped back?) If you are correct and feather is actually better than 6p I'll admit that you are right

[clear rover]

oh before anything happens.~ I'd like to repeat myself. I'm not disagreeing with you because I understand your point and I can't force you to understand "anybody's" opinion, if you really don't want to.

The rare feather is for "stats" and Max HP % to synergy with Shrimpaler. Like I stated in my earliest statement: Because I use Stagthorn as my back up damage contributor to go up against water element familiars

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you

Maybe this "such" Toy equipment strategy didn't work on you due different situation in Familiar Arena but this doesn't mean it is not right.

[clear rover]

I can't find the old video but here is one my clip from last month.

thanking my rare feather for that Max HP % that boosted the heal from my Shrimpaler. Which happen to have a good synergy because of planned toy equipment for the objective I want to achieve.

Special mention to @raw drift @waxen spoke @rich hound @shell grail

oh! and by the way, "All hail to science!" As long as we have objectives we have target goals and can come up with a solution to adapt to some situations.

[waxen spoke]

Just...ok, play like you want. thanks for sharing, but literally...go to fam adventure, equip different toys and compare the damage. I did that myself with like 10 tries for each toy and that's why im confident. Fam arena is not the best place to test stuff. You cant do unlimited tries, those tries are more likely all to vary, when in fam adventure results are kinda consistent

by this point i will not argue about toys.
here are my toy examples

this guy is interesting too. yes i tested and 6g was better than 5p

i tried

[raw drift]

ngl my dinoceros looks like this:

[rich hound]

hmmmmm. does this applies to EVERY familiar?

[rich hound]

damm is dino worth investing??

[raw drift]

it's in my anti-heal stall team saiyan. i boop the tank to the backline so i can get to the soft healers behind.

but if you have other means of jumping the backline like an a10 cactanine, that works too.

i just give it jackets and feather cos it already has 637% dmg multiplier, so it needs survival more than additional atk.

it's not optimal, but i needed an offtank that can dmg on my team. so that's the result.

[rich hound]

wait what? it knock them back??'

[rich hound]

i just usually burst the tanks first

[rich hound]

i use arachness similar to your build

seems like arachness is too paper

Does anyone knows where sleepyhead might be placed at?

I feel like sleepyhead can outmatch squibbly as a suppot Fam with sap/lynx and 2 defend familars (sunshine +?? )

[raw drift]

pretty much. it has a huge dmg potential, but it often doesn't stay alive to deliver a second skill. haha

[rich hound]

dude, i cant even deliver the first!!

[raw drift]

sleepy is a great 2nd healer for teams with long CDs on their skills. like arach, stag, and yes, sap.

imagine sap going on cooldown immediately after its first laser.

BUT! it may not be best to just have sleepy on, since it can only heal 3 familiars at a time. maybe partner it with toko or another aoe healer for better coverage.

unless you're going for more of a suicide squad. XD

[rich hound]

lost 3 tims just cause arachness cant trigger his skill

again, didnt trigger, but got lucky

[raw drift]

oof. imagine the cat getting cd reset. that hurts.

either cat.

[rich hound]

this when it triggers

[rich hound]

ikr

[rich hound]

having 2 supports isnt that ideal as you cant burst enough i feel

[raw drift]

i was gonna suggest ebon to just push them away and give your arachnes some space, but the auroralynx and sapdragon will just melt that poor cow.

[rich hound]

i used to use it.. but im using the crit rate skill.. need all my fams to be rare!! hahaha

[raw drift]

yeah, i was gonna ask that too.

gahd i miss top 10 fam arena.

all i fight now at top 30-50 are heal stall teams.

[rich hound]

just burst them down

i suggest 1 heal 1 def and 3 burst att

evr since i bench arachness out, its been making wonders

i really really think arachness sux

[raw drift]

hmm... if you have better options that arach definitely

[clear rover]

@rich hound @raw drift good common sense with the toy strategy because you understand that it will be your most disadvantage if your glass cannon dies fast and worst, without being able to execute their skill.

This is what I'm talking about the objective part. (Wherein I believe someone spouted something about "no such thing objective and perspective").

I respect the calculation of that said "science" wherein, he tested countless times in Familiar adventure. I don't deny that! Don't worry! because it is fact and really true, Specific toys are indeed superior but of course we have to adapt to some situation when it comes to needing to replace it with Rare general toy/s and what and where you are going to use it for -Familiar Arena-. That's where objectives goes into picture.

Anyway, moving on to the next topic!~ "about Slee/Sleepyhead" ❤️

[shell grail]

dino is just other page xD same paper

[raw drift]

dino is budget arach, but with yeet potential.

[raw drift]

sapdragon's initial skill cd is really that delayed?

it looked like it didn't laser until 10 seconds in

[shell grail]

silenced

[rich hound]

So would you say it's better than Squibbly?

[rich hound]

What elo/tier is this?

[clear rover]

You mean awaken? Or bonding tree?

[rich hound]

Yea but in general, what's the CP range? 400k? 500k? 550k? 600k?

[rich hound]

Don't wana disclose too much information since it might be confidential to some due to GP

[clear rover]

Both of them may be Support familiar but their role is kind of different.
Squibby is for Heal(all familiars) + Shield (Dmg reduction)
while, Sleepyhead is for mostly Heal + skill reset to 3 random allied familiars

[clear rover]

this is CP 490k to 500k

All awaken 10.
and if we highlight Sleepyhead, you can see it's skill cooldown is 11 seconds.

[shell grail]

prefer 'Slee' for shorten up

[rich hound]

Yea.. So let's say if I were go with
Ritmu
Gloomie
Lynx
Relixx,

Should i go with Squibbly or sleephead

Assuming both Squibbly and SH is a10

[torn thicket]

What's rimu counter? FA /GP? v.v

[rich hound]

But my Squibbly is with 3SR but my head is 1SR and 2S6star

[clear rover]

This is where "objective" comes in ATK or DEF? What's your goal? Who is your opponent (Line up)?

That is why from the 2 videos I sent. The first video consists of 2 support familiars (Squibby + Slee) and the other one is somewhat YOLO team.

[rich hound]

My goal is, to win and kill them LOL

[clear rover]

It's like the topic earlier about Toys. My point is we have to know what we will use it for and against whom. (objective and perspective)

Yes, aboutscience and we may have the data but if we will not adapt, we'll have problem with the probability of win rate due to being strictly by the book. ((Best relatable example would be a glass cannon familiar, whats the point of being a decent skill damage dealer if it can't even execute the skill before dying?))

So, going to the main topic! What are the important things we should be wary of;
Position of familiars -- countering your opponent
Familiar candidates -- knowing which familiars to deploy
Familiar Toys -- equipping the toys we need. (Specific toys are superior)

[rich hound]

I think let's go with both FA and GP.. Opponent lineup is quite difficult to guess especially that we don't know exactly ALL THEIR FAMILIARS

[clear rover]

GP is more complicated due to 3 teams + we don't know our opponent except when the league starts but then again uncertain about the team set up of your opponent.

So, lets go for Familiar arena where you have more chance to attack someone that you already know their line up.

Oh yea, I also forgot about to include the Bonding tree buff

[rich hound]

Yeap exactly.. Its uncertain that's why we can't factor in the "who is your opponent(line up)" logic.. We just have to assume they are strong, that's all.

[rich hound]

Also tough since the 2 "?" can be ANYTHING

[clear rover]

You asked earlier about Sapdragon being delayed. It's because of the Enemy's Bonding Tree buff: Fruit of Silence

[rich hound]

And we always change our Def from time to time

So, back to the question whether in general, should I go for Squibbly or SH for higher chance of winning

[clear rover]

answering this.. well give me an example of your opponent? because like I've mentioned... familiar position is important...

who knows if we need to protect our gloomie more or auroralynx

[raw drift]

kill it before it fears you. XD

[raw drift]

yeah i didnt notice the silence at first. i thought it was just a long starting CD. lol

no, seriously. it's a viable strat with rimu. cos his starting cooldown takes longer, you can potentially kill him before he gets a fear out.

if not, you can try bouncing it around with hippo to cancel its skill, or a well-placed ebon charge to reduce its effects.

[clear rover]

true and or you can also rely on RNG-jesus in your set up by adding silence buff... hoping the debuff silence will land on Rimu

[raw drift]

one thing i havent tried or observed is if sunshine's accu reduction works on rimu's fear.

[clear rover]

Like "miss" skill?

[raw drift]

yeah.

[clear rover]

yep that works too but... needs a good faith.

RNG-jesus

[raw drift]

yup. if the coinflip fails, sunshine gets a meatclub to the face.

[clear rover]

Check this out! this is really funny

[raw drift]

kinda wish someone would make a web browser simulator of familiar arena. but then, who would bother?

[clear rover]

True but Familiar adventure + some imagination and then tweak something if you want to apply it to Familiar arena.
(this is what I usually do)

[raw drift]

yeah. but sometimes its a hit or a miss. plus all the random numbers flying around cos there's 5 familiars hitting you on the other side.

sigh. but then again, not expecting much from this publisher.

[rich hound]

maybe rimu gloomie frontline, squiibly SH and relixx/lynx back line

[clear rover]

don't forget to provide your opponent's line up

[rich hound]

but its really tough to guess enemy lineup as there's so many strong fams: rimu, gloomie, lynx, petal, relixx SH, squibbly and sap

i always need to guess which of the 5 that are being used and where are they

so thats why im just asking in general, squibbly or SH better

take a look at the SS of my opponents attacks...

its really random and hard to predict

likewise for GP

so just wanted to know in tems of synergy of rimu, gloomie, lynx and relixx, do i have a higher chance of winning by going with squibbly or SH haha

[clear rover]

I know. I get what you are saying but in familiar arena... most players who has their info of their target due to previous match... if they can bomb their target, they do it because the info is there.

[rich hound]

true then lets go with GP where you DONT know anything haha

since the team 1/2/3 will make it even more difficult to predict

[clear rover]

ok if we're talking about synergy without consequence of losing or rather disregarding the probability of winning.

It's true Sleepyhead is a better choice by going for that YOLO team.

[rich hound]

ahhh

i figured that too

maybe i should start with SH and get the jellies up now

[clear rover]

but if I have to adjust your line up?
I'd go for Ebon instead of Rimu

the difference will be the skill activation and also the bonding buff application.

[rich hound]

since light familars usually has a higher bonding tree than water, its better to use SH too

[rich hound]

but i cnat go with ebon, i need all rares haha

[clear rover]

With Rimu Gloomie, Alynx, Relixx, Sleepyhead = You can equip** Royal Family bonding tree buff**

[rich hound]

the crit rate skill is quite strong

[rich hound]

yep yeap!!!

and since Rimu is rare, its stats is by default stronger than ebon, taking the skill effect out of the pic

[clear rover]

as for GP, yea you can go 2 teams with healers and then yolo(slee) team

[rich hound]

dont have much stall teams.. my stag and bunny bot is only a6 haha