#General Chat

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wise crown
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true

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either way, good luck with the rest of the conversions 🫡

hexed oasis
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theoretically, this new infobox system can also be used to design stuff like the enemy variant statbox as well, just apply a different class on the parent, and then instead of all the custom parsing code i have in [[Module:Statbox Enemy]] and manually building up a smw subobject, i can reuse stuff from paramparse, and have the core infobox module handle smw... but that's just something to potentially look into later

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wise crown
hexed oasis
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i'm actually thinking of taking a small break from infobox conversion for a little bit and starting to work on a more advanced character search, something like https://runescape.wiki/w/Bestiary

i was also considering automating the main character select images list on [[characters]], and it's definitely possible, but kind of decided against it since either
A it'd need the same template copy/pasted in each section with a param for dlc and secret (which means every section would be a separate smw call)
or B it would be one single template that builds the whole list including section headers, which is great with just a single smw call, but would prevent regular editors from adding text in those sections
also both ways would need a new hidden param in the character infobox for otc's sections... but that gets confusing because a bunch of other characters outside otc are also technically hidden initially (hidden:true in the data) but we wouldn't want to list those separately, so it would have kind of just become a mess :/

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wise crown
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and generally, speaking as a reader, I'm used to wikis having tables of items readily shown to you
for runescape, it would make sense, since god knows how many items there are in the game lol

hexed oasis
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under the hood the advanced search stuff is essentially just a ui on top of special:ask

wise crown
hexed oasis
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the most complex part is just building the form

wise crown
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I see

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where did you find this chunk of code tho?

hexed oasis
wise crown
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ah

hexed oasis
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yea that's what the js calls

wise crown
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I see

hexed oasis
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yea i don't think i've ever actually seen that loading msg appear but it is in there lol

wise crown
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if we had this, we'd probably put a garlic emoji instead

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or something poe related

wise crown
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oh yeah

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and new wiki ranks 6th when you search up "vampire survivors"
(fandom wiki ranks 2nd)

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but, when you search up "vampire survivors wiki", we rank 1st and fandom 2nd

hexed oasis
wise crown
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yeah, fandom is still first for me when I search up just "vampire survivors"

hexed oasis
wise crown
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but not when I specifically search up the wiki

hexed oasis
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just shows the google search personalization they do

wise crown
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Why is Vampire Survivor so popular?
two words: monke brain

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same answer for balatro

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these are literally the two monke brain games that i mainly play these days

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Will finish this tomorrow

hexed oasis
runic valve
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There is also a passive amongus with garlic weapon

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hexed oasis
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which one?

limpid totem
hexed oasis
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mini crewmate is a different item than garlic, so if you're searching for garlic in the filter, you're not gonna find characters starting with mini crewmate
also mini crewmate isn't a character, it's an item, so it wouldn't be listed in a character filter

wise crown
wise crown
thin isle
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will the enemies have animated gif images in the wiki?

wise crown
wise crown
wise crown
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@hexed oasis I figure that if we're gonna rename the Arcana pages, there has to be a bot that'll change the links to the respective Arcana pages?

wise crown
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I personally don't usually work with extracting or editing assets myself though

wise crown
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also, made this page: [[main menu]]

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
# wise crown <@83264808022970368> I figure that if we're gonna rename the Arcana pages, there...

probably, tho it'd be a bit more difficult since they aren't just all direct links to the pages, a lot of them are using the sprite template which is a bit harder to find/replace against, especially if the params are out of order, and there's also some automation stuff that would have to be fixed up
like this function extracting the roman numeral from the pagename https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Module:RomanNumeral#L-83
and a similar thing in the infobox https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Module:Infobox_Arcana#L-44

wise crown
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Dang, it's more complicated than I taught

hexed oasis
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for the automation stuff there'd also have to be a special case made for game killer, since in-game, it doesn't actually have the "0 -" prepended like the other arcana do, it's literally just "Game Killer" (so imo that's what the renamed page should be, as opposed to the rest of the arcana that should be named with their roman numeral prepended to match in-game)

wise crown
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Yep

devout echo
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The version history page doesn’t specify which new character(s) or weapon(s) were added each past. Would it be good to change this?

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hexed oasis
devout echo
hexed oasis
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steam posts can be removed and changed, they aren't an archive - what i see as the ideal setup would be to rework the version history page into just a list of updates, and those link to verbatim copies of the posts (even without any extra links added or anything) as subpages of the version history page (or in an update namespace if we ask wg for that)... but then have separate main pages for versions that describe what all is actually added, including extra links or hidden changes, etc.

devout echo
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That seems like a good solution. The way it exists in its current form seems awkward.

hexed oasis
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yeah, the version history page right now is definitely a mess, it's neither verbatim nor a list of actual changes

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so it doesn't really help either type of reader

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(the steam posts also don't cover the hotfixes that seem to only get posted in #❗devlog in here, which should definitely be copied onto the wiki somewhere)

hexed oasis
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no version selector, it could theoretically be added but it wouldn't be able to use the wiki's data for old versions so then you run into the same issue of needing to manually update it with each version to archive the old data ¯_(ツ)_/¯

wise crown
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Everything about this game is about numbers anyway 😅

hexed oasis
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yea there's a couple use cases, i can't think of too many more tho... but the thing is that now the core calc code is ported over, anyone can make a calc using the wiki data once they have the knowhow, so if anyone else has calc ideas it can be done now

wise crown
hexed oasis
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potentially, but most of those are incredibly simple, usually just one number multiplied or divided by another... or it's something done mid-run like the gatti amari cats eating that you're not really going to have a need to calc mid-run

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certainly doable though if somone finds a need to have calcs for them

wise crown
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yup

wise crown
hexed oasis
wise crown
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Awesome

hexed oasis
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added a new param to character infobox for flight/ignores walls, and a category [[Category:Characters with flight]]... probably some missing, i only set it for the ones that specifically said "ignores walls" in their description, it doesn't look like the data has it as a variable so i couldn't pull it from that

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hexed oasis
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i've got started on the verbatim news posts - [[updates]]
so [[version history]] can probably be reworked now to be less vague and include more details

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wise crown
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How will we deal with the Update infobox parameter?

hexed oasis
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for now just leave it as the section name on version history... once all the update pages are made, then i'll swap where it's linking in paramparse module

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and i can run a bot through them to replace

wise crown
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Ngl

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Would be cool to have the same level of documentation of updates as mc wiki does
https://minecraft.wiki/w/Java_Edition_1.21

Minecraft Wiki
Java Edition 1.21

1.21, the first release of Tricky Trials, is a major update to Java Edition released on June 13, 2024. Originally announced at Minecraft Live 2023 on October 15, 2023, the name of the update was revealed in a Minecraft Monthly on April 26, 2024. The update was said to focus on "combat adventures and tinkering" and introduces several copper block...

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With an overview, infobox, and everything

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Maybe even documenting some small changes that weren't listed, if possible

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(This example is definitely massive, but I feel like we can definitely be more comprehensive with our update pages in the future)

hexed oasis
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yea, having version pages in mainspace describing all the stuff that was actually added would be nice

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btw when you get a chance if you want to try to mess with it, i made [[Template:Spoiler]] but it only works with text - there's a couple instances where they're using images inside a spoiler like the bottom of this one https://steamcommunity.com/games/1794680/announcements/detail/3126067963237480408 ([[Updates/Patch_0.3.2]]) - if you want to try to mess with the css to get it to work with images too, i tried for a bit but couldn't really come up with anything

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hexed oasis
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problem is it needs to be a span/display:inline for text, and if you try to spoiler an image then the width doesn't work ¯_(ツ)_/¯

wise crown
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Funnily enough, wiki.gg has a very similarly made spoiler template

hexed oasis
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yea i saw theirs but it's on click, not hover like steam's

wise crown
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Never tried it on an image tho

wise crown
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Am on mobile atm so I couldn't tell 😅

hexed oasis
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ah yea it's probably on tap either way on mobile

wise crown
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Yup

hexed oasis
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it might need a js gadget, wanted to try to avoid that and just do it in css, but if it's needed i can try making something in js later to handle it

wise crown
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https://milk.wiki.gg/wiki/User:JustLeafy/Sandbox#test if you wanna test on an image

Milk Series Wiki
Sandbox

imagine this liquid below, by itself, is milk. no container, nor anything:
let's just say that the below is an empty bag of milk:
drop the milk in. what do you get? milk inside a bag of milk.
but wait, we're not done yet. we need another empty bag, preferably a bigger one, such as the one below:
great...

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Width works fine, but height doesn't apparently

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First image: before clicking
Second: after clicking

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hexed oasis
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yea that works but it's on click

wise crown
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Ye

hexed oasis
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ideally want to try to replicate steam's spoiler hover

wise crown
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Will see what I can do in the morning

hexed oasis
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yea no rush

wise crown
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does this count as an update? 🤔
[[Updates/Please vote for Vampire Survivors for best Game on the Go at the Steam Awards!]]

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hexed oasis
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it's a news post

wise crown
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ok

hexed oasis
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right now i'm not really distinguishing between news posts without a game update and news posts with a game update, but it's easy enough to filter the smw query on [[updates]] to only include pages that have the |version= param in the news template set to something, if we wanted to list them separately

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hexed oasis
hexed oasis
wise crown
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Ok np

wise crown
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@hexed oasis oh yeah, and what do u think we should do with the redirects to update sections later on?

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example: [[1.0]]

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hexed oasis
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those should probably go to these update pages... or if we're going to make pages that describe the update in more/full detail, then those

wise crown
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alr

hexed oasis
waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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basically, like the [[updates]] page that we have now

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wise crown
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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either have them as one page, or make the other page just archiving a list of all steam news posts by the devs, and the other a list of updates

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idk

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the possibilities are endless 😅

hexed oasis
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that could work, but yea i'm thinking updates should be the main list now, and we could have the list items (or table, ez change in module) have links to both the verbatim news post and a "guide"/details page for the version, on major versions

wise crown
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alr

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yeah, sounds good

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@hexed oasis oh yeah

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and one last question while u r here

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when I get to rename the character sprites to accommodate for the full names of the characters instead of their short names, should I keep the short file name redirects for them for now?

hexed oasis
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as long as stuff's still linking to them yea, just so nothing breaks, but ideally it'd be best to clear out the whatlinkshere on the redirects

wise crown
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yeah, this was basically my process that I went with when I was working with character select images and audio files:

  • grab the list of files
  • rename them
  • check and edit where they are used
  • make sure the old file names are no longer used anywhere and delete the old redirects
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fun fact: you can add somewhere on a page {{Special:WhatLinksHere/Yourpagename}} and it will embed all of the pages that link to this page

hexed oasis
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yup, that'll work

wise crown
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A process like this would definitely be more complicated if we were to rename the arcana pages (not the files), even with a bot

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Unless if we went with just renaming the pages, dealing with double redirects, and accepting that links to arcanas across the wiki will be full of single redirects by default

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hexed oasis
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well the main thing with renaming those is that we'd probably end up with a lot of script errors or the main arcanas table would be empty until they're resolved

wise crown
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that too

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I didn't even think about it 😅

hexed oasis
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i might tackle that at some point but it's not a huge priority

wise crown
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ok

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yeah you're right

hexed oasis
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only like 5 or 6 left but i don't have time so i'll get those last couple tomorrow

wise crown
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Np

wanton plinth
hexed oasis
# wanton plinth about all that version stuff, when i was adding the release date for characters ...

Useful but some of those look a little wrong, like 1.10 you have listed as 30 april 2024, but I'm seeing the 29th on the Steam news post... also, og's release news post is a few days later on may 9th (unknown version number) and v1.10.105 hotfixes was posted on may 15th

We should probably establish a timezone we're going to get the date from... or maybe we include the timezone in the date param everywhere and have it parsed to a specific timezone

wanton plinth
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oh i got these all from the version history page on the wiki but didnt bother dividing the hotfixes since i couldn't link them to the characters either

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its also more focused on the order in which things were added rather than dates themselves, because i was originally using it as a "nostalgia run" guide personally

wise crown
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[[Updates/Official Vampire Survivors Wiki now live]] the greatest day of the year in the wiki world from my pov so far

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wise crown
hexed oasis
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alright that's all the steam news posts done, and i edited the listing so it shows whether it's a game update or news post (whether the news template on that page has |version= set or not) [[Updates]]

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limpid totem
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here is an interesting question:
should info about the ode guestbook site be added to the wiki? it is related to VS

hexed oasis
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sure, i don't see why not - maybe not copying all of the actual signatue messages, but having a page with info about it would be totally fine

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(there's some presedent for that kind of thing anyway, for example jagex used to have their own dev-run official "wiki" only the devs could edit, and rsw documented it https://runescape.wiki/w/RuneScape_Wiki_(Jagex) alongside other old sites rs used to have)

hexed oasis
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i've also added a couple update pages from posts in #❗devlog

hexed oasis
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bot's run through all the infoboxes and changed the update link to the new pages

hexed oasis
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made a compilation of [[roadmap]] images

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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if anyone wants to add more info to any of that

wise crown
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Ngl this page is potentially pretty useful

limpid totem
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(look in the bottom right corner...)

hexed oasis
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where/when was it posted?

limpid totem
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when the roadmap was first released in the steam news post
it was changed to the version with the mysterious text removed shortly after...
it only still exists in a reddit post of it

hexed oasis
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so same date as the other one? nov 25 2023?

limpid totem
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btw that mystery text is the one used for the ode guestbook link btw

hexed oasis
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y'all should really be documenting this stuff somewhere, you know way more of the game's history than i do 😛 even if it's not formatted well, just throwing a big blob of infodump text on a wiki page would probably be nice

wise crown
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y'all should really be documenting this stuff somewhere, you know way more of the game's history than i do
ironically enough, this is what the wiki should be for haha

hexed oasis
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yea... i'm trying to document what i can now, but i only started playing in mid-2024, sometime between operation guns and darkasso, so most the historical stuff i've got no idea LUL

wise crown
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tbh, I fully got into the game and got to know much of the game like in later 2024, most particularly since I've heard that the wiki is forking, but I did play the game and even edit the wiki back in early 2022, which is how I got here
and I did briefly play the game in between those periods, but not like to the point of trying to unlock everything

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

limpid totem
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if i would make a page for the guestbook should i just call it like "ode to castlevania guestbook"?
ive never contributed to a wiki before

hexed oasis
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yup

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don't worry if you name it wrong or anything it can be moved and cleaned up later

limpid totem
hexed oasis
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the most important thing with wiki editing is just getting the info somewhere, and other editors can come along to move it or reformat it as needed

limpid totem
wise crown
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haha

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i edited on purpose

limpid totem
wise crown
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TIL that you can access action logs at all

limpid totem
wise crown
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didn't know that CHs count as mods 😅

limpid totem
wise crown
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cool

limpid totem
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its very basic
but its been added to the wiki
https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Ode_to_Castlevania_Guestbook

Vampire Survivors Wiki
Ode to Castlevania Guestbook

The Ode to Castlevania Guestbook is a page on the poncle games website, it was revealed in a twitter post shortly after the announcement of Ode to Castlevania. The site allowed users to post messages to it, primarly focusing on the announcement of the DLC.
At the release of Ode to Castlevania, the site was updated to include many steam keys for ...

thin isle
hexed oasis
thin isle
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also I want to find that tornado glimmer tech but its making me dizzy finding the ID's

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hexed oasis
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most of the techs aren't classified as independent weapons, they're just properties of the weapon they're attached to, so they don't have a weapon id:
#1348880477053911114 message

thin isle
hexed oasis
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yea

thin isle
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well thats disapointing

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well atleast I can use the others for modding characters anyway

hexed oasis
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wise crown
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@hexed oasis does the RuneScape Wiki have a category dedicated to documenting things inside the official website for the game?

hexed oasis
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not really, either stuff is big enough for its own category or it just goes in community

wise crown
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Ok

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Seems like the closest thing to a Misc category would be [[Category:Vampire Survivors]]

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hexed oasis
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we have [[Category:Community]]

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wise crown
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Dunno why, but I feel like this category makes more sense for meta/project pages

hexed oasis
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also, added some images and made a generic infobox for stuff like this [[Ode to Castlevania Guestbook]]

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wise crown
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

zealous venture
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y'all are forgetting something

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wise crown
wise crown
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[[A Quick Warm-Up - VS version]] first page about an individual music track, what do y'all think?

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lost dome
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I love looking at those old roadmap images.

wise crown
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@hexed oasis made these: {{Infobox Music Album}} {{MusicAlbumNav}}

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wise crown
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currently proceeding with making pages for music albums

wise crown
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@hexed oasis oh yeah, and I think we should run a bot so that the links to Updates will be corrected

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wise crown
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wise crown
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wise crown
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and divided {{MusicNav}} into 2 separate navboxes under one navbox

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hexed oasis
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wise crown
hexed oasis
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true, that'd work, and at least for the update posts the images aren't linked to anything so it'd be accurate for them to not do anything

wise crown
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@hexed oasis I'm thinking disk number in the infobox should be optional to have

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Because not every album has a disk number officially listed

hexed oasis
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it is, it can be set to 'no' or 'n/a' for ones that don't have it

wise crown
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Ok

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And what do you think of the individual music pages I've made so far?

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Do you think anything can be added, changed, or removed?

hexed oasis
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it's done that way so there's a distinction between ones that just don't have it set yet vs those that actually don't have a disk number

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yea they look fine

wise crown
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alr

hexed oasis
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i might add youtube param to the infobox, instead of having a external links section, and the dlc tracks category could probably be added by the infobox based on the dlc given, rather than manually listing it

wise crown
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sounds good

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btw, do you think we should have pages for the non-original tracks for vs?

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e.g. much of the operation guns album and everything in castlevania series

hexed oasis
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if they're in the game, then yea

wise crown
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ok

wise crown
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@hexed oasis do you think the broad category should be "Music" or "Music tracks"?

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the latter sounds better to me imo

hexed oasis
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either's fine

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oh did you want 'Base Game tracks' category too? that can be done in the infobox as well

wise crown
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Yeah, that too

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And perhaps a category for 'Unlisted tracks' too

hexed oasis
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would that be added when the track number is 'no' or 'n/a'?

wise crown
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Yeah

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That makes the most sense

hexed oasis
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alright those two categories should be working now

wise crown
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Epic

hexed oasis
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at some point i might change the dlc param everywhere to work similarly - needing to specifically set it to no or n/a to define something as base game, rather than just assuming base game when it's unset... but not needing to set it everywhere is easier for the initial conversions

wise crown
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Sounds good to me

wise crown
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@hexed oasis I renamed all of the default static character sprites so that they would have their full names
I did keep the redirects for now, since I do see use for linking characters using their short names

hexed oasis
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imo no internal links should be redirects, redirects should be exclusively for searches

wise crown
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I guess it can be worked on later

hexed oasis
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it makes maintenance a nightmare if you've got a bunch of random redirects links to all leading to the same page - if you later need to update all those links, you can't just run a bot looking for the one pagename link

wise crown
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come to think of it, yeah, you're right

hexed oasis
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also having a bunch of redirects means if you ever move the page they all lead to, you've got to go update all those redirect pages

wise crown
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correct

hexed oasis
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i tend to only create redirects when they show up in searchdigest, if people are actually trying to search for that term

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otherwise they're kinda just adding extra unnecessary maintenance

wise crown
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true

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either way, the redirects will be temporary

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until all of the sprites are renamed

hexed oasis
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yea

wise crown
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so far, I just renamed only the static default sprites

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I'll continue with the animated sprites and anything else, like skins and attack animations in some cases later

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at least I'll be able to kill two birds with one stone :p

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hexed oasis
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nice

wise crown
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@hexed oasis would [[Template:CharacterNavEntry]] still be necessary?

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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yea it shouldn't be needed after that

wise crown
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ok

hexed oasis
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if you wanted to display the short name, you'd use |txt= with slink

wise crown
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okie

wise crown
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@hexed oasis I wonder if you know a way to find a list of pages where Template:Sprite is transcluded, excluding pages where they are transcluded in infoboxes and navboxes? I feel like this would definitely narrow down and help with this potential maintenance project

wise crown
cloud otter
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Hello, I think someone touch the sprite of Rinaldo in the main page of wiki. Maybe it's just a bug

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Does I have to report it

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?

wise crown
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No need

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I think it was my doing

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[[Wiki]]

waxen flintBOT
cloud otter
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Ho ok thanks

wise crown
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Just needed a hard refresh, which I've done just now ✅

hexed oasis
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you could potentially use dpl with |uses=Template:Sprite|notuses=Template:Slink, that might show pages that directly transclude sprite, idk, you'd probably have to mess with the dpl a bit

wise crown
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Damn

devout echo
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Difference between version history & updates?

hexed oasis
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updates is verbatim copy of the exact news posts, version history is just the major additions from each version

devout echo
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Can version history finally be more specific about what was added?

hexed oasis
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yea - it'd probably make more sense to have dedicated pages for each version now rather than bloating the single version history page, but if you just want to add a bunch to version history and we can split it later that's fine too

wanton plinth
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fixed 0.2.0 mentioning the addition of Pasqualina instead of Arca

realized that because there was the addition of an achievement to unlock both added characters while Pasqualina is already unlocked from the game start (checked on 0.2.4) and both Ladonnas being added together simply makes more sense

wise crown
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this is exactly why I said I do wanna keep the redirects temporarily, at least until this is fully dealt with
¯_(ツ)_/¯

wise crown
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and maybe check [[Category:Pages with broken file links]] later

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wanton plinth
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luckily i managed to track the old achievements so from there onwards should be straight forward to update

wise crown
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@hexed oasis do you think the "wall clipping" mechanic should be explained more in [[flight]] or in a potential separate article?

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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i'd probably mention it on flight, something like
"not to be confused with [[wall clipping]], which any character could achieve with enough move speed or game lag"
but make wall clipping its own separate page

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wise crown
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ok

hexed oasis
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and then similarly on wall clipping, mention flight as an innate ability for some specific characters

wise crown
waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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nah i think in this case it works better as article text, not a hatnote... the hatnote version imo is more for similarly-named pages

wise crown
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ok

wise crown
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made [[Wall Clipping]], but it's pretty barebones

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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@hexed oasis small issue in [[Characters#Character_stats]]: base game characters show moonspell dlc badge

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wise crown
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the others are fine in that regard though

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oh that's probably an artifact from me making the dlc property in smw set to 'vampire survivors' in smw instead of being unset when the dlc param is unset
(since smw can't query for unset values, i had to give the dlc property a value for base game stuff in order to query for base game things)

wise crown
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I see

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so that kinda explains why it would default to moonspell

hexed oasis
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yea it's giving the dlcbadge 'Vampire Survivors' as the dlc name, and lm is just the default when you give dlcbadge something that isn't a dlc name

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should be good now

wise crown
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yup, all good now, ty

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meanwhile, me rn 😅

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hexed oasis
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yea have fun with the sprite stuff lol

wise crown
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i'm in the thick of it

wise crown
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tfw loaded too many pages + not the fastest internet in the world

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wise crown
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@hexed oasis half way there
Will continue the rest tomorrow

wanton plinth
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i'll keep making it prettier until we decide on splitting this page or not

devout echo
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Wasn't seal all added in 1.13, not 1.12?

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tropic zephyr
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yeah

wanton plinth
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1.12 was consting MEGA SEAL but here was already seal 3, thats what made me confused

tropic zephyr
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mega seal is the ability to seal an entire "content pack" of active weapons, added in 1.12

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seal all was added in 1.13 (infinite seals)

wanton plinth
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ah i see

tropic zephyr
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seal 3 was 1.10

wanton plinth
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fixed it

devout echo
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Would somebody please add a sprite to this? I don't know how.

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tropic zephyr
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Added

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It’s {{slink|weapon name}}, btw. It also works for characters and stuff but iirc you have to use their alias

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So EoG’s would be {{slink|Embrace of Gaea}}, and would have the link with the sprite. You can put |link= after the weapon name to change the link

hexed oasis
tropic zephyr
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O good

wise crown
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yup

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though, I am in the process of changing them all

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already did around half of the articles yesterday

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after that, I'll continue with renaming other character sprites, like the animated sprites

wise crown
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love how even a simple article about a music track gained attention from google

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[[A Quick Warm-Up - VS version]]

waxen flintBOT
wanton plinth
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how ironic

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does he use a different name?

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i tried the square but didnt work either

wise crown
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Sprite-missingN▯

wanton plinth
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oh lower case

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gotit

wise crown
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ye

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@hexed oasis look :p

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wise crown
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no idea

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but the article seemed to be lowercase for some reason

hexed oasis
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maybe it used to be lowercase in older versions?

wise crown
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perhaps

thin isle
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@wise crown hey I found that divine wood spirit the recolored one that you wanted

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nice

wise crown
wanton plinth
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i had done up to 0.6 and left it to finish later

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its so cool to add the little sprites

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i love slink

wise crown
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ikr

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it's a little thing that makes the wiki more lively, visual, and fun to read

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and arguably pretty useful too

wanton plinth
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it makes me wish slink was a real thing irl

wise crown
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cuz you can sometimes ask yourself a question like "who is Porta" or "what is Arma Dio" while reading a page on the wiki

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but you still get to recognize who that character is or what that item is just by seeing its icon

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and with sprite/slink template, adding that icon beforehand makes that experience easier

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cuz you don't need to open the individual page for it to identify what that thing is

wanton plinth
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yeah its far more intuitive, you just gotta glance at it and understand the assignment

wise crown
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it is totally optional to link pages this way on the wiki, but it's much nicer, prettier, and useful to do so

wanton plinth
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btw are stages and achievements getting those any time?

wise crown
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we haven't made a template for stages

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and achievements don't have individual pages

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so, for now, not really

wanton plinth
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oh yeah i forgot about that fact

wise crown
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also, idk if such a template would make as much sense for a stage

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cuz it's not a sprite

wise crown
wise crown
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yeah they don't look good at all tbh

hexed oasis
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theoretically you can {{StageNavEntry|Mad Forest}} but idk about doing images on links for stages, they aren't really large enough to be distingusable, but also aren't small enough to not bloat the text

wanton plinth
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yeah true

wise crown
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in the context of a navbox, I think it's ok, but in the middle of a paragraph, it'd look pretty bad

hexed oasis
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yea

wise crown
hexed oasis
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and tbh i think we might already kind of be overusing sprite links in some places, making it harder to read the actual text

wise crown
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@hexed oasis I think sprite links in general look fine

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but if we add the dlc parameter, generally, it looks cluttered

hexed oasis
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when it's just the sprite and link, sure, but when there's also a dlc badge or a list of multiple in a row with just a comma between them, it's a bit hard to read

wise crown
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exactly

wanton plinth
wise crown
wanton plinth
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felt like the characters there wouldn't make sense

hexed oasis
# wise crown

yea like that's a mess and probably needs a redesign to be more readable

wanton plinth
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there could be a just the sprite linking to their page, so it could look like the arcanas preview

wise crown
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

wanton plinth
wise crown
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come to think of it

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yeah, maybe

hexed oasis
# wise crown and achievements don't have individual pages

that's also something i've been thinking about, whether they should have individual pages - and where we should distinguish between 'achievements' (platform-specific - steam, psn, etc. doesn't include collab dlcs) and 'unlocks' (in-game, includes the collabs)

wise crown
hexed oasis
thin isle
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what is this enemy name again?

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wise crown
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e.g. Poe Ratcho and Poe Ratcho (achievement)

wise crown
waxen flintBOT
thin isle
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also some enemies in ode to castlevania have no beastiary entries?

hexed oasis
wise crown
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@hexed oasis either way, I feel like it's pretty smart that we're expanding our new wiki with a shitton of new pages, between the music tracks (which is still a wip, I'll continue those after the sprite project), updates, some smaller things here and there, and of course the new content

hexed oasis
wise crown
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we have 1,316 pages now [[special:statistics]]

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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fandom wiki is at 954 pages, for comparison 🤣

hexed oasis
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oh btw, small style thing but i think we should stop making the section names linked to something (like on [[unlock guides]]) - it makes it a lot more difficult to expand the section on mobile, since all the sections are collapsed by default, you end up accidetally tapping the link rather than expanding the section

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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yup

wanton plinth
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this feels so nice

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wanton plinth
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[[Version history]] is slinked all around now

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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you dropped this:

wise crown
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@hexed oasis do u think the [[weapons]] tables can or should be automated?

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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that's the plan, once the infobox conversion for weapons is done

wise crown
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ok

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they do use the sprite template

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and just that one page alone would take forever to update 😅

wise crown
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that feeling when

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cold creek
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indeed

wise crown
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@cold creek

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cold creek
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yea

wise crown
wise crown
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now time for me to delete the redirects of the static default character sprites

maiden jasper
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Did something change with the character templates? It is now showing Max Health as a base number rather than the +value a character would have. This would be inconsistent with the other stats displayed.

wise crown
maiden jasper
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Also a few characters had the base max health added to their passive bonuses section by a "Mitral Lion". I reverted 3 of them, not sure how many more there are.

hexed oasis
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Under the hood, the infobox is parsing them no matter what they're input as, and then displaying based on each stat's base amount

maiden jasper
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In game you only only see the real changes if you disable all PowerUps, which most players are not doing. I think it makes it more confusing, as with the one editor who started added Health to the passive bonuses as if they were additional Health.

Even if in game is presented a certain way, I don't see why the wiki needs to mirror it exactly. The wiki can improve upon how the information is displayed. An info box only showing Max Health and Move Speed for example might imply those are the only stats that are changed. It feels like information clutter if Max Health is showing, but there are no changes to it compared to base.

hexed oasis
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The same could be said for listing the + amount for any stat on a character, if you’re not disabling powerups then you’re going to see a higher + for any stat

If you think it'd look better it'd be easy enough to have it display as something like 100 (+0), but I think it's important to have consistency with what's actually shown to the player in-game somewhere, to me that reduces confusion

maiden jasper
hexed oasis
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Also long-term I'm thinking we could have a little gadget attached to the character infobox where users could input their current powerups and the infobox would display the character's stats with those powerups applied rather than the base stats, but we'd still need to have the base stats as they're shown in-game input into the infobox to be able to calculate those in a gadget

wise crown
wise crown
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#🧛vs-general message
@zealous venture you got your wish

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this will show up to new users, moving forward

zealous venture
wise crown
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It's a win win

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More attention from readers, more iwb users, and more support not only for the new wiki, but other quality wikis too, from the big wikis like minecraft and warframe, to smaller and more niche ones, like the milk series and illusion carnival (totally not an advertisement for other wikis I've edited or helped with)

wise crown
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I finally managed to complete it!

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oh wow, look who's back!

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they're an old admin from the wiki whose last edit was on 31 January 2022

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(although they did promote one of the current admins and blocked a few bad editors on in May 2022)

wanton plinth
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@wise crown i was making some of the Side A tracks pages because i had some trivia i wanted to add, and still have a couple more if you need some help

wise crown
wise crown
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@hexed oasis is there anything else I need to change for the composer/author property?

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speaking of which, I've changed it, because not all VS tracks are original. some are remakes from other tracks, such as contra and emerald

hexed oasis
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imo i'd still say composer, they just composed a remake rather than composing the original it's based on... to me author doesn't really make sense in the content of music, you're composing not writing, though i guess it does say author in the in-game advanced music selection so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
but no, it doesn't look like there's any smw data for it so i don't think you need to move anything else

wise crown
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ok

wise crown
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also, wouldn't the more correct/premise term be "arranged" for the remakes?

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because that's what I went with for the remakes

hexed oasis
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nah arrangement is different

wise crown
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ok

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@wanton plinth oh yeah, I wonder how u found the working audio file for [[Side A (track)]]

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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cuz the person who usually extracts sprites and audios, found this version lol:

limpid totem
wise crown
wanton plinth
wise crown
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Ah nice

wanton plinth
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in fact i was wondering if it is of your interest to get the old sprites uploaded at any point

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i believe i have them all from 1.0 and prior

limpid totem
wanton plinth
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that one should have the updated sprites tho

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i mean like old crown, bracer, spellbinder and so on

limpid totem
wanton plinth
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i even got the original randomazzo (or the oldest i could get)

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waxen flintBOT
wanton plinth
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yeah that one i had cut and uploaded in the original 22x22 size, but since the page stretched it to 300px width it looked completely blurry

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if there is a fix for that you can revert the file i suppose

hexed oasis
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which page/where? because it's some css we have to apply for it to get the proper nearest neighbor scaling, so depending on where it was it might not have had the right css applied to it so it wouldn't be blurry

wanton plinth
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[[Shooting Star]]

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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ah, right, that infobox type is actually specifically disabling the nearest neighbor scaling css for its image, since most the other usages of it have been regular full size screenshots rather than sprites

wise crown
wanton plinth
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i'll go about cutting them soon and maybe remaking the effects animations as well then

wanton plinth
wise crown
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I think so, which is why Dezz didn't upload them in the first place

wanton plinth
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ah makes sense

wise crown
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Yeah

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I made their pages but didn't have the audio files uploaded

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e.g. [[Treasure A jingle]]

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
# wanton plinth [[Shooting Star]]

alright, [[Template:Infobox Map event]] can now use |sprite= param instead of |image= if you're displaying an individual sprite, and that'll add the right css to upscale the sprite

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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@hexed oasis we got another editor from the fandom wiki!

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they do regularly edit the castlevania wiki tho

wanton plinth
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i made a typo and didnt notice with the jingle C, if its not possible to rename could you delete it pls?

wise crown
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no worries

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fixed

hexed oasis
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do regular editor accounts have file move perms?

wise crown
wanton plinth
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i couldn't find anything related

wise crown
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I've just made an alt and I've checked there

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seems like they can't

hexed oasis
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ik rsw has a separate user group for file perm stuff, but we've just got autoconfirm and then admin

wise crown
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@hexed oasis can still move main namespace pages tho

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but not files

hexed oasis
wise crown
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ah

hexed oasis
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[[Special:ListGroupRights]]

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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ngl autoconfirmed people have more rights than I thought 😅

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I thought it was just the ability to edit semi-protected pages

hexed oasis
wise crown
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yeah

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their account should be old enough to be autoconfirmed

hexed oasis
wanton plinth
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it works for slinks yippie

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named Crown (Old) like bat robbert

hexed oasis
# wanton plinth it works for slinks yippie

probably wouldn't recommend doing that though - it'll generally be better to just stick with the consistent current sprites across the whole wiki, and just use the old historical ones in a gallery on that item/character/etc's page... much less confusing for users who don't know what those old icons mean if you just use the current ones and then they can see the old one after they click on it

wise crown
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yup

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the old sprite should be used in the [[crown]] and [[growth]] pages, for the sake of documenting the fact that there used to be an old crown sprite in a trivia section

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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e.g. from [[duration]]

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wise crown
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and [[spellbinder]]

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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it's usually just 2 icons tho, but sounds neat

hexed oasis
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yea we don't need a whole section/subsection just for graphical updates, but just listing the date and link to the update page in the description would probably be nice

wise crown
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e.g. [[Magic Wand]], [[Knife]]

waxen flintBOT
wanton plinth
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the knife did tho

wise crown
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it did? 🤔

wanton plinth
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it used to be this

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and that was thousand edge

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wise crown
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ah

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lemme check again

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in the demo

limpid totem
wanton plinth
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they even had early glass fandango (real)

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limpid totem
wanton plinth
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yeah its crazy how they took so long to actually use it

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no wonder it was there from day 1

wise crown
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makes me wonder

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what else is unused

wanton plinth
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we have ball fire wand

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waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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might be slightly different

wise crown
wanton plinth
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oh they even teased it, so it might be glass fandango in fact

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the fire is a little different but its mostly the same thing

limpid totem
# wise crown 👀

lets just say people who dislike ||aiming weapons|| are about to hate them less...

wise crown
cold creek
wise crown
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the change was a bit more subtle

wise crown
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||absorb an item the moment it is dropped?||

hexed oasis
cold creek
limpid totem
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also awe of the unknown has like 3 (sightly) different versions btw
we have:
the original version luca posted #✨public-beta message
the version used in the public beta
and the current version

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(though it seems that the one luca posted isn't actually different, i swear it was though)

wise crown
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Cool

wanton plinth
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just realized i dont have the old cross sprite

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wise crown
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Wonder what it looks like

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I've seen most of these in the demo

wanton plinth
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you can see it in the very first trailer

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along peachone porta

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it used to look way more like the projectiles

wise crown
waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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and this is what it is based on (from castlevania)

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basically, "copy the sprites but change a few pixels so that konami wouldn't notice"

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meanwhile, konami 2-3 years later: operation guns + ode to castlevania

wanton plinth
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oh yeah thats true

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i dont have those either however

wise crown
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floor chicken used to be called "pot roast"

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man

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playing the demo is so much fun

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and a bit weird too

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kinda feels like a time machine or parallel universe

wanton plinth
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this game has certainly come a long way

wise crown
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lol yeah

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I remember when the game was new and was being reviewed by northernlion

wanton plinth
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i think for me the most iconic period was when moongolow first released

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quite the turning point from silly game to silly game but now there is deep lore

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the first time seeing ||the directer's hands|| was just a whole different type of hype

wise crown
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man I wish I played the game more between the jan 2022 to otc period

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i did still play the game in like brief occasions, but not too much

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it was around the time after otc (or late 2024) that I speedran the game and unlocked everything from base game

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and ever since then, my passion for this game grew more :p

zealous venture
wise crown
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Yup

wise crown
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@hexed oasis character search is noice

wise crown
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Do you think it should be included in the [[characters]] page?

waxen flintBOT
maiden jasper
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For the weapon sprite images from ED, would it be desired to nearest pixel them from 16x16 to 128x128?

wise crown
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If you mean the files themselves, they should be kept to their original size while letting templates/modules dynamically upscale them, such as when they are displayed in an infobox.

maiden jasper
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Understood, I'm guessing a long term plan would be to go back and change all other images to their original sizes? The majority are currently upscaled. I made larger version since they are more visible for use outside the wiki. I'll not upload them then.

hexed oasis
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Ideally yea all the older sprites should be replaced with ones of their original size without any extra padding added around them, and have the wiki dynamically resize stuff rather than doing it in image editing

wise crown
hexed oasis
# wise crown Do you think it should be included in the [[characters]] page?

nah i don't think we need a third character list on there... i'm thinking more of having something like a 'roster' page or a search/filter subpage that would have a "calculator"-type ui for searching characters (eg [[User:Californ1a/Calc]], but in js more customized than the standard form calculator ui, so i could pack in a bunch of options for min/max on each stat without needing to do each of those on individual lines)

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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also i'm still not quite sure of the stats column it's showing... ideally i'd want each stat to be its own column like the character stats table on the characters page so it's sortable by whichever stat, but that would also make the table way too wide when it's also showing starting weapon/tech and description, so i just stuck them in a single column in a list for now ¯_(ツ)_/¯

wise crown
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I'm thinking we could have the character stats table be its own subpage like [[Weapons/Overview Stats]] and have it replaced with the character search while showing all of the characters from the table by default

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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potentially, but i don't think the charactersearch table looks good when it's listing a ton of characters because of the stats column right now, it makes each row too tall

wise crown
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Fair

hexed oasis
wise crown
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That looks sick

wise crown
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@hexed oasis do the Contra 4/Hard Corps tracks mention no author in the music selection?

hexed oasis
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looks like they list origin instead of author

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the ones in castlevania series are similar, they all list origin

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i guess i should edit the infobox module to show either author or origin, and apply the needs info category only if both are unset

hexed oasis
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lmk if you need a list of which ones have which origin

wise crown
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👍

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Do you think the music navbox should be further divided by origin?

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e.g. Operation Guns subgroup will be divided into 2-3 categories: remakes and rereleases, or remakes, Contra 4, Contra Hard Corps

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And perhaps the Ode to Castlevania album can be divided by composer while Castlevania Series can be further divided by game

wise crown
waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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nah that'd be too much subdividing - tbh i think the dlc section should be divided by album rather than dlc (eg, link to the album page rather than the dlc page), and then instead of making castlevania series a subsection of otc, just have both the otc albums have their own main section with the otc dlcbadge

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that would keep it more consistent with the subsections in the base game section

wise crown
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Alright

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Will work on this once I get back home in a few hours

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And update/rename the contra-original track pages too

wise crown
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@hexed oasis I'm thinking we can potentially have pages for composers, such as Daniele

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It can be something basic like "X is a composer for VS" and then list their entire VS discography

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And have an infobox for people

hexed oasis
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as long as there aren't any personal details added to the pages

wise crown
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Yeah, definitely

wise crown
wise crown
hexed oasis
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I literally just left lol will have to wait for tomorrow but yea I can get you the lists in order if no one else does before then

wise crown
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alr

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take your time

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I guess I can rework the pages tomorrow

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side b and side c are correct

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fixed emerald diorama and side a albums

maiden jasper
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Thanks for making the flight page: https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Flight, California. One issue I see is that Gyorunton cannot fly, but is on the list. How would I go about correcting this? I changed the info on Gyorunton's character profile already.

hexed oasis
maiden jasper
hexed oasis
wise crown
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Noice, will look into this

hexed oasis
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btw @wanton plinth you don't have to manually upkeep your watchlist pages, they're all on [[Special:EditWatchlist]] unless you just like manually keeping that list on your userpage to let others see what pages you're watching ¯_(ツ)_/¯

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
hexed oasis
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you'd probably want to retake them for that, since i left steam's fps overlay on - i usually turn that off for images going on the wiki - you'd probably also want to crop them to just the music ui... but tbh i don't think it's really needed to have a gallery of scrolling down the song list, you'd be better off with just one image representing the advanced music ui, or maybe one on each album page, but i don't think you'd need all of them, that's what the table is already for

wise crown
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Maybe

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

wise crown
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@hexed oasis do you think the word "Mana" could warrant a disambig page?

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because we have [[Karoma's Mana]], [[Song of Mana]] (the weapon), and [[Song Of Mana]] (the track)

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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potentially? tho i don't see anyone searching "mana" trying to find the music track, they'd pretty much only be looking for the weapon/item

wise crown
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yeah

hexed oasis
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i'd just stick a hatnote on whichever one mana redirects to

wise crown
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would 2 hatnotes be okay here?

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hexed oasis
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yea that looks fine

wanton plinth
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since there is not much anything else for me to add wiki related i guess

wise crown
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(except music pages right now)

wanton plinth
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i meant things on my profile page, but that still holds true xd

wise crown
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lol yeah

wanton plinth
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this wiki has a page for almost everything already

wise crown
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that's what I thought when I was editing the mc wiki briefly

wise crown
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it's very dedicated

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and I'm not even talking about the admin team, I'm talking about the countless editors who chime in too

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especially when a new update is released

wanton plinth
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oh btw how do i get the wiki role?

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i couldn't find it anywhere

wise crown
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at the moment, there's no way of getting it

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especially since it is more of a de-facto wiki staff role, rather than a wiki editor role

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with a few exceptions here and there (e.g. bioness has the role, but is not a staff)

wanton plinth
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ah i see

wise crown
wise crown
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Does anybody know what [[Military Fortress - VS version]] might be based on? I wasn't able to find anything myself

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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best bet is probably just to go thru contra 4 and hard corps ost's to find any song that sounds similar

wise crown
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yeah

wanton plinth
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might be fortress in the fire from operation galuga

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i'd bet

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cause the dlc is mostly based on operation galuga

wise crown
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I'll take a listen

hexed oasis
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all the other songs are from 4 and hard corps tho?

wise crown
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yup, supposedly

wanton plinth
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they technically are as well but even battle in the jungle was also used in operation galuga

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the song just was reused so many times since the original contra

hexed oasis
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hm, interesting

wanton plinth
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if you look at contra's wiki there are very few music themes and they are all reused way too many times

wise crown
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yup

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some songs like Jungle Battle and Waterfall of Bloodshed are used in multiple games

wanton plinth
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its kinda like bloody tears for otc, the song was rearranged so many times in multiple games, but they added the version from castlevania bloodlines which is for some reason the only not listed in the castlevania wiki page for it

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oh nvm i just cant read

wanton plinth
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uhm what?

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is it because of "killer"?

wise crown
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nah, I doubt that

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probably a false positive

hexed oasis
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looks like it's because of Yamashita, matching shit

wanton plinth
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it was Kinuyo Yamashita

wise crown
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ah

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I feel bad for them

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for their name

wanton plinth
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i could use james banana

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but i guess it would be wrong since it also includes the other person

wise crown
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@hexed oasis do u know a way from excluding specific terms from the default abuse filter?

wanton plinth
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left it as Yamako since its her alias for now

hexed oasis
wise crown
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whichever one has the term

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(I doubt the default mw one has it, but still)

hexed oasis
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the one blocking that edit is just a big regex added by wg [[Special:AbuseFilter/2]] - we can make the edit, it excludes sysop from the filter

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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we can make the edit, it excludes sysop from the filter
just tested that out 😅
[[User:HepiChestCow/Sandbox#test]]

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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the default mw one is just for urls, i had to add youtu.be shortlinks to the allowed list on that one [[MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist]] and temporarily linktree since poncle had that linked in one of the update posts... that one also blocks admin edits unless it's specifically listed in that whitelist

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
wanton plinth
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perfect tysm

regal flame
wise crown
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@hexed oasis do you think we should make it so that the in the tables in [[music]] for otc/cs, they should match the exact title?

e.g. in the otc album, Vampire Killer - Vampire Survivors instead of Vampire Killer
and in the cs album, Dance of Pales instead of Dance of Pales - Symphony of the Night

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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probably yea, tho i'd also say it'll be possible to automate those tables pretty easily once all the individual track pages are made so you don't need to put a bunch of focus into managing those tables

wise crown
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yup

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also had this idea in the back of my mind 😅

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like once we're done with the pages, we can automate these tables

hexed oasis
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tho the 'plays with' column isn't in the infobox anywhere so that part couldn't currently be included in an automated table

wise crown
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even if we have a separate section for it in each page

hexed oasis
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technically it doesn't have to be in the infobox to get the data... you can just set smw properties directly on the page https://i.imgur.com/L4D2zTp.png or as a parser with multiple values in the same property https://i.imgur.com/V15t9Ze.png but it's usually not recommended to do that, and instead have it set within a template rather than directly on the page
but for example if you wanted to make a separate 'plays with' template that takes in params for all the places it plays, the smw properties can be set there instead of needing to have it as part of the infobox

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and if you do put it inside a template (in wikitext rather than lua), you can also define multiple values for a property with a seperator

{{#set:Plays with=The Ender;The Director|+sep=;}}

so you could {{{param}}} directly in there and let smw split it by the separator to define each value as an individual property

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tho in lua that kind of stuff is much nicer ofc 😛

wise crown
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Big brain sorta stuff pgfacehepithinking

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Not something I would've thought of tbh

hexed oasis
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(also generally i like using semicolon as a separator rather than comma, since comma is more likely to actually appear in the name of things and then it becomes a nightmare trying to untangle which commas are used for separators, eg [[The Rebirth, The Return]] in a list of stages would make separating by comma difficult)

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
wise crown
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We could just do display title in that case

hexed oasis
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nah, i'd just have to be a little more fancy in lua rather than just simply splitting on semicolon

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could pattern match for wikitext links and split stuff with any characters between the matched links

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then it wouldn't matter if you did something like [[The Rebirth; The Return]], [[Inlaid Library]]; [[Antonio]] + [[Pugnala]] and [[Imelda]] - it could just grab all the links... but for now, it's easier to just split on semicolon rather than creating a pattern matcher for that

wise crown
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Yup

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Man, my curiosity never ends haha

hexed oasis
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you should definitely mess with lua more 😛 lot of fun stuff you can do with it

wise crown
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Yeah I should

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But I don't really have any new ideas on what I wanna use it for 😅

hexed oasis
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you could try messing with making an auto table for the music albums if you want, should be pretty simple, can probably just base it on [[Module:RelicTable]] - the biggest difference will mainly be taking in an arg for the album name, and including that album name in the smw ask

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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if not, it's something i planned on doing once more of the music pages were made anyway ¯_(ツ)_/¯

wise crown
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I'll give it a try

hexed oasis
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(also you won't need to sort by the collection order, you can just have smw sort the initial ask query, since the smw properties include the track #)

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speaking of, i could probably make the relic infobox include the relic's collection # order in the relic's smw properties so that table doesn't have to be manually sorted in that module

wise crown
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the biggest difference will mainly be taking in an arg for the album name, and including that album name in the smw ask
that's potentially the only difficult part here pgfacehepithinking

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closest thing to a lua table/template using a parameter at all is [[Template:ArcanaTable]]

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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[[Module:CharacterSearch]] takes in args, or if you just want a really simple example, the base module at [[Module:Sandbox]] takes in args and just spits them right back out as a json

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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will look into these

hexed oasis
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i could just directly tell you the lines to write for it lol but that doesn't help learning how to do it lol

wise crown
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lol yeah

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most important thing in cs is not to learn what to do, but how to do it
e.g. like not to be taught to write code in java, but be taught the cs fundamentals in java

hexed oasis
wise crown
hexed oasis
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but the mw lua page is great for ctrl+f

wise crown
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I'll start small with the easier part of making one big table

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then try a version with the album as an argument

hexed oasis
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now that's cleaned up [[Module:RelicTable]] and there's an example of sorting within the smw ask

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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nice

wanton plinth
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not sure if already noticed but, something broke

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hexed oasis
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woops

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[[Side A (track)]]

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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fixed

wanton plinth
hexed oasis
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if any others show an error, go to more->refresh at the top right on them

wise crown
waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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admittedly i also already had one written a couple days ago, just kept as a local file not copied onto the wiki yet since we were still talking about the plays with column and I was waiting for all the music pages to be made so it'd replace all the tables at once rather than doing them as pages got made... but since we were talking about lua and I already knew the simplicity of the module from writing it beforehand, I figured it'd be a decent thing for you to try your hand at making

wise crown
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nah it's okay 😅

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also, another migrant from times square

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hexed oasis
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i added separate track number to the music infobox for ost disks, so we're able to handle cases like disk 2's track with the numbering completely different from in-game

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wise crown
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I didn't even think of the steam listings of the tracks

hexed oasis
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steam's primarily what i've been using for ost reference, since it's more of an "official release" of the ost itself compared to just the youtube uploads

wise crown
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YTshake_eyes well, that's something new to me

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wise crown
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yeah, and many of the durations I've listed were from the yt uploads, which I've just found out that they aren't the same as the oggs

hexed oasis
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i've kinda been using the duration param as the in-game loop duration (the oogs we have uploaded on the wiki), and added a separate ost duration param for the full durations

wise crown
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sounds good

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funnily enough, they didn't list the sammy and the avatar of gaea tracks

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so these 2 tracks are the completely unlisted ones

hexed oasis
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those aren't listed in the in-game music selector either, so idk if we should have them listed as part of the album, since they technically aren't in the album, they just released as part of the dlc

wise crown
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while the main menu tracks and treasure chest jingles are only not listed in the music selection ui

wise crown
wise crown
hexed oasis
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those two i'm going back and forth whether the infobox should list the album for those or put it as n/a... if the album is listed then an auto table would include them and the track number could be displayed as "-" like it is in the manual tables... or if it's n/a, then we could query by dlc rather than by album to make that table, or even just list them in a separate table not part of the album

wise crown
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then we could query by dlc rather than by album to make that table, or even just list them in a separate table not part of the album
don't forget that there are 2 separate albums for otc as well

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album makes more sense

hexed oasis
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yea i mean just for the one, the template could take in either album or dlc as a param and query by whichever is provided

wise crown
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ah ok

hexed oasis
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tho ultimately it might make most sense to have those two not part of the album, list them as n/a, and then have a single table somewhere just for unlisted tracks in any dlc

wise crown
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yeah

hexed oasis
wise crown
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@hexed oasis oh yeah, and on steam, side a and cosmic delight are listed while before concession x is excluded

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hexed oasis
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yup

wise crown
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@hexed oasis it's a bit weird how in-game, [[The Heart of the World]] is listed as track #5 and [[Ashes of the Banished]] as track #6, while on YouTube and Steam, those 2 are inverted, and Ashes of the Banished is called "Frozen in Time" instead

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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yea... we might need an aka or alt name param for some of them

wise crown
waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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yea

wise crown
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Nice

hexed oasis
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there's also a couple that are just very minor differences, like [[Moving the sun and the other stars]] has Sun and Stars capitalized on steam but not in-game

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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@hexed oasis in the navbox and pages listing side a and side b tracks, should I integrate the unlisted tracks, such as the main menu tracks and treasure chest jingles?

hexed oasis
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nah, side a and side b are in-game albums and those aren't listed in the in-game albums, so they shouldn't be listed as part of those, they should be separate except for listings of the ost disks - if there's a table listing the ost track order anywhere, then they should be listed there, otherwise just leave them separate as unlisted

wise crown
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Ok 👍

wise crown
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@hexed oasis is Dancing Widow in the game at all?

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or is it just in the ost

hexed oasis
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no idea, it's not listed in any of the albums

wise crown
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ok np

tropic zephyr
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it's not ingame

wise crown
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ok thx

hexed oasis
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@wise crown when you get a chance, throw this into your personal common.js

importScript('User:Californ1a/common.js/char-filter.js');
importStylesheet('User:Californ1a/common.css/char-filter.css')

and then take a look at [[User:Californ1a/Test]]

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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Will do in a few minutes

hexed oasis
wise crown
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Not at least until there's like any confirmation from somewhere, whether it's some random line of dialogue anywhere in the game or the [[lore book]]

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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the adventures stage descriptions might give some

wise crown
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I do believe that/headcanon Antonio, Imelda, Pasqualina, and Gennaro could all be siblings. Doesn't necessarily mean it's 100% confirmed or true tho

hexed oasis
wise crown
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cool

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where that's the case, then it is confirmed

hexed oasis
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no idea if it implies menya is an older sibling, or an elder of the clan/different generation

wise crown
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I'd say if there is ambiguity as to what can be implied, just discuss what isn't ambiguous in the trivia

hexed oasis
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yea, maybe the lore book will have some more on that kind of stuff, and then we can revisit making a family tree template, or other lore stuff

wise crown
thin isle
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@wise crown hi so I made the moonspell gif images of enemies especially included the kizzune enemy even tho its not related to the moonspell DLC so add this images to enemies wiki

wise crown
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Nice

thin isle
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also this variant

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hexed oasis
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@thin isle btw you can just upload stuff yourself, as long as you have an account - anon without an account can make edits but you do need an account to upload files
either individually on [[Special:Upload]] so you can set the filename on each upload, or if you already have the filenames all set right, you can use [[Special:BatchUpload]]

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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@hexed oasis for the castlevania series track names, if I had to make them match the in-game titles, the list would be the following:

    * [[Dance of Pales]]
    * [[Dance of Illusions (Symphony of the Night)]]
    * [[Festival of Servants]]
    * [[Guardian Maria Fight]]
    * [[The Lost Portrait (Symphony of the Night)]]
    * [[Moonlight Nocturne]]
    * [[Tragic Prince]]
    * [[Wood Carving Partita]]
    * [[An Empty Tome (Order of Ecclesia)]]
    * [[Chapel Hidden in Smoke]]
    * [[Ebony Wings (Order of Ecclesia)]]
    * [[Jaws of a Scorched Earth]]
    * [[Wandering the Crystal Blue]]
    * [[Bloody Tears]]
    * [[Iron Blue Intention (Bloodlines)]]
    * [[Reincarnated Soul]]
    * [[The Sinking Old Sanctuary]]
    * [[The Beginning (Castlevania track)|The Beginning]]
    * [[Vampire Killer (track)|Vampire Killer]]
    * [[After Confession (Harmony of Despair)]]
    * [[An Empty Tome (Harmony of Despair)]]
    * [[Aquarius]]
    * [[Dance of Illusions (Harmony of Despair)]]
    * [[Divine Bloodlines]]
    * [[Castle Dracula]]
    * [[Ebony Wings (Harmony of Despair)]]
    * [[Gaze Up at the Darkness (Harmony of Despair)]]
    * [[Heart Of Fire]]
    * [[Into the Dark Night (Dawn of Sorrow)]]
    * [[Invitation of a Crazed Moon (Harmony of Despair)]]
    * [[Pitiful Scion (Tragic Prince)]]
    * [[Pitch-Black Intrusion]]
    * [[Simon's Theme]]
    * [[The Hidden Curse (Harmony of Despair)]]
    * [[The Lost Portrait (Harmony of Despair)]]
    * [[Gaze Up at the Darkness (Portrait of Ruin)]]
    * [[In Search of the Hidden Spell]]
    * [[Invitation of a Crazed Moon (Portrait of Ruin)]]
    * [[Iron Blue Intention (Portrait of Ruin)]]
    * [[The Hidden Curse (Portrait of Ruin)]]
    * [[Victorian Fear]]
    * [[After Confession (Dawn of Sorrow)]]
    * [[Amber Scenery]]
    * [[Dracula's Tears]]
    * [[Into the Dark Night (Dawn of Sorrow)]]
    * [[Pitch Black Intrusion]]
    * [[Abandoned Castle]]
    * [[Baljhet Mountains]]
    * [[Eneomaos Machine Tower]]
    * [[Followers of Darkness - The First]]
    * [[Sarabande of Healing (track)|Sarabande of Healing]]
    * [[Lament of Innocence]]
    * [[Successor of Fate]]
    * [[Awake]]
    * [[Mad Forest]]
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do you think, instead, we should stick with the naming convention for the individual track pages to be "Track name - Game origin", but then have a column just listing the track names as they do just like in the game, like [[Track name - Game origin|Track name]] and then have a column showcasing the game the tracks originated from?

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hexed oasis
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it'd be better to use parens since we have the titleparen gadget to make disambig parens that aren't part of the actual thing's name smaller+grey

the origin shouldn't be in the page name for any of them unless you're just using it as a disambig paren (but there's better things to put there, like (track) or (otc track) if the name's already taken)

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also it looks like a couple of those currently on the table might be a bit wrong, you may want to crossreference the screenshots i gave earlier... like near the bottom, Lament of Innocense is actually Lament of Innocence (Leon's Theme)

wise crown
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or Dance of Pales - Vampire Survivors and Dance Of Pales

wise crown
hexed oasis
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¯_(ツ)_/¯ just how it goes sometimes

wise crown
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yeah

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@hexed oasis there's also

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lmao

hexed oasis
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character search is now live [[Characters#Character_search]]

waxen flintBOT
cold creek
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holy

wise crown
hexed oasis
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lmk if anything looks weird with it, i'm not totally happy with how it looks on mobile, but there's not much that can be done with that aside from just hiding a bunch of table columns ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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and the columns are user-selectable anyway so it doesn't matter too much

wise crown
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I'm thinking of having hidden weapon and starting tech hidden by default, since only a small percentage of the characters have either of those

hexed oasis
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tech is hidden by default, hidden wepon is only shown by default on vector skin

wise crown
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And it'd also deal with the excessive width of the table

thin isle
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is there an ID for this passive item?

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wise crown
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I think there should be

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Lemme check

hexed oasis
hexed oasis
thin isle
hexed oasis
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moved the character search so it isn't bloating the characters page [[Characters/Search]]

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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@hexed oasis I think it'd be cool if we marketed the wiki a little on the subreddit

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we can inform them about interesting and useful tools like this one

hexed oasis
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yea i was considering making a post for the character search and some of the other stuff we've been working on - music pages, powerup cost calc, poe gadget... and also encouraging others to get into editing, but i'm pretty bad at announcement-type posts lol, i can write wiki content all day but complete brain freeze trying to come up with announcement wording

hexed oasis
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a lot of other stuff is kind of behind the scenes and won't really matter to most users, stuff like the automated tables on relics, arcana, etc. probably wouldn't need to be mentioned

wise crown
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yeah definitely

hexed oasis
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like i could talk about smw data stuff all day, but unless you're me, you, or dezz actually creating templates/modules using smw data, all that'd just be a bunch of usless jargon for regular users LUL

wise crown
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to them, it's probably like speaking chinese or arabic

wise crown
waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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@hexed oasis what do u think we should do with these remaining wanted pages? I do wanna have this list cleared out
[[User:Californ1a/Maintenance/Redirects]] [[special:WantedPages]]

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waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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probably just leave them, it's fine to have stuff listed there as long as it's just a couple links, the only ones that should be cleared out/cleaned up are when they're linked to a lot

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it's impractical to want to keep the wantedpages list completely empty, especially long-term - rsw has nearly 9k pages listed

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the important thing is just the ones that are listed near the top

wise crown
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I see, understandable 😅

wise crown
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@hexed oasis for the enemy pages, now that dezz uploaded the movement animations to the wiki, how do you think we should proceed with including them? a gallery section with just the movement animation? (since the static sprite is already in the infobox and statbox)

hexed oasis
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yea that's probably fine for now

wise crown
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Ok

thin isle
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how do I upload images in wiki I wanna help a bit

hexed oasis
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you need an account if you don't have one yet, and then you just go to [[Special:Upload]]

waxen flintBOT
thin isle
wise crown
waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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you can head over to [[Special:BatchUpload]] if you want to upload multiple files
be sure to have the files named correctly beforehand

waxen flintBOT
wise crown
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the convention that we have for them is File:Animated-Enemy Name.gif

wise crown
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would these count as tracks or just sfx? [[File:Audio-Treasure Found.ogg]] [[File:Audio-Blast Processed Treasure Found.ogg]] pgfacehepithinking
either way, they are not listed as tracks anywhere, unlike treasure chest jingles, which are clearly tracks

waxen flintBOT
hexed oasis
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they probably don't need music track pages, can just stick them on the treasure chest page as sfx

wise crown
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yeah

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@hexed oasis btw, do u have any idea if rsw or orsw have a standard for sections documenting sfx of items or anything else?

hexed oasis
wise crown
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alr, good to know

wise crown
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man I'm such a robot

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(basically, I just added a gallery section for most enemy pages)

limpid totem
wise crown
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yup, ty

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@limpid totem random example: [[Living Anguish#Gallery]]

waxen flintBOT
limpid totem
wise crown
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yeah, [[301]]

waxen flintBOT
thin isle
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is there an ID for sorbetto?

hexed oasis
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SORBETTO for the item pickup, CONEOFCOLD for the weapon

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(possibly also CONEOFCOLD_COUNTER - idk, they're both in the data)

tropic zephyr
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Sorbetto benefits from gemini

wise crown
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correct