General Chat

[hexed oasis]

let me know if you need any help

[gleaming cove]

ok

speaking of dpl, I do think it's important to include an "Unlocked by" section in all of the infoboxes that could use it, not just characters and arcanas/darkanas, particularly weapons, passives, and stages

[hexed oasis]

the problem with that is some of them have quite an extensive unlock req, you'd kind of be clutting the infobox with a chunk of text in that row in a lot of cases

tho, one thing i could see being put into the infobox is the unlock spell

[gleaming cove]

that could work too

[hexed oasis]

the unlocked by param in general is already kind of a chunk of text for the ones where it is listed

but i think generally that text has been taken directly from in-game, in the unlocks menu, so it makes sense in the infobox

[gleaming cove]

yeah

@hexed oasis https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/User:HepiChestCow/Sandbox#Relics here's an first example of making a table out of dpl :p

[hexed oasis]

wait, i'm pretty sure i had the relics one done already

[gleaming cove]

oh yeah, and a cool thing that came from this is that you can find any inconsistencies with the infobox title or usage of sprites/icons, and other things like that

[hexed oasis]

yea it's in the history https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Relics?oldid=19189 idk who got rid of it

[gleaming cove]

Gs Pouch, apparently

https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Relics?diff=prev&oldid=26465

[hexed oasis]

{| class="mw-collapsible article-table" style="width:100%"
|+This list is updated dynamically. <sup>{{Purge|tag=span}}</sup>&nbsp;
! colspan="5" style="text-align:center" |List of Relics
|-
!Icon
!Item
!Description
!Effects
!Location
{{#dpl:
|namespace=
|uses=Template:Infobox Relic
|category=Relics
|ordermethod=title
|include={Infobox Relic}.dpl
|format=,,\n
}}
|}

but the problem is that they're just going to be in alphabetical order, not in the collection order

[gleaming cove]

Yeah, true

Unless if we have a way to index the relics in their order

Without it being too odd (like putting the index in the infoboxes of the individual pages) or complicated

[hexed oasis]

putting it in the individual infoboxes is usually the best way to do it, but in our case stuff gets added mid-collection when base game stuff releases, so that's a problem because we would have to edit all the dlc relic pages to change the order # on all of them... i think what we'll probably want is a collection order module similar to https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Module:BestiaryNumber so we can just insert stuff into the array when it gets added, but that kind of thing can't be used by dpl (especially for sort order) unless you use dpllua

(it can't be used by dpl because dpl evalutes the sort order before parsing templates, so it would sort based on {{Num|<page name>}} as text instead of whatever actual number it parses to)

[gleaming cove]

Interesting

[gleaming cove]

I've seen dpllua being set up on rs wiki: is it complicated to use for the scope of the VS wiki?
I'd feel like either way, full automation would be nice, especially with the correct order of items n stuff

[hexed oasis]

anyway i'll put the old dpl table on relics page so it stays updated, even if it is alphabetical

nah it's pretty simple to use, i do want to copy it over at some point regardless of converting stuff to smw... because it's used for the dependency list template https://runescape.wiki/w/Template:DependencyList which is super nice on template and module doc pages, showing everything that uses them, but that's gonna take quite a bit of tedious reworking how we're doing template docs right now... moving all the {{Documentation}} calls from the bottom of the template itself to the top of the /doc subpage instead, and replacing the doucmentation template with a lua version

[gleaming cove]

ah cool

[hexed oasis]

another way to do it is have the order come from a template, dpl sorts based on the page name alphabetical, but then have a gadget sort it in js after the table is rendered

[gleaming cove]

sounds like this is just doing the whole process with extra steps

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hexed oasis]

yea... rsw uses both, just to double ensure stuff is sorted right

[gleaming cove]

I see

[plush rose]

hey uhh, i did some fckery trying to edit the documentation of the map event template to include the enemy and variant param, but it returns with a syntax error 💀 can anyone help me figure out what's wrong

here's what I did btw

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-banging-fist-on-ground-agony-anguish-pain-suffering-gif-10047053495593873096

this shite makes me lose mah mind

[regal flame]

I think it is much better and easier to use editor and not write this json by hand

[plush rose]

oh crap, I didn't notice that

oh lord, i have been the enemy of myself all along

[gleaming cove]

I'll check it out in a moment

[plush rose]

https://tenor.com/view/benitwt-gif-22390318

[gleaming cove]

don't worry if you made a mistake

[plush rose]

tnx, it's just this shit always happens and i cant figure for the life of mine what's wrong wit it wah

the machines mock me for attempting to speak in their tongue

[gleaming cove]

@plush rose seems like u didn't publish the edit, right?

[plush rose]

not yet, I fear I might break shite if I publish it

[gleaming cove]

okay

[plush rose]

its good now (ig), I'm using the template data editor now

[gleaming cove]

@plush rose seems like the problem was here
or at least partially

[plush rose]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-8470516175995282617

literally me when dezz showed me that tool

[gleaming cove]

lmao

[gleaming cove]

and missing comma after type: "line"

[plush rose]

was it a damn missing comma? 😭

[plush rose]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[gleaming cove]

yeah, that was also a problem

@plush rose also

you should've added a slash \ before using double quotes in a sentence

but that's all

[plush rose]

ohhh right, I forgot that was a thing with js

[gleaming cove]

yeah

[plush rose]

haven't touched those things in a while so I'm very much unga bunga with it

[gleaming cove]

that's alright

I'm assuming you're in the midst of editing the page, so I'm gonna let u publish ur edit and not do anything on my end 😅

[hexed oasis]

this is also a good one if that button doesn't show up (like if you're making userspace templates) http://tools.wikimedia.pl/~mlazowik/templatedata/

[plush rose]

noice, imma bookmark that site

sh- should i ignore this

[hexed oasis]

no...

[plush rose]

oh thank goodness, its gone now, idk how

anyway, is it possible to enable adding "alt text" to the variant field? some enemy variants have names like "LV128 Enemy (scaling, bouncy, boss)" and its a bit of a mouthful to read and I think it's much better to just put in their wiki-made names

[hexed oasis]

isn't the variant name already the wiki's name? do you have an example where it's not? variant name should be equal to the header of the variant on that enemy's page, eg Pipeestrello 2 under variants on https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Pipeestrello

[gleaming cove]

The fork has turned a week old

[plush rose]

Uhh I meant like when some enemy variants don't have official names, The editors used to give them an alias/epithet to distinguish them from the base variant.
Like how "Big Golem 1 (Boss)" is referred to like that in its own section, but on enemy table pages it's referred to as "Colossus".

[hexed oasis]

shouldn't we be trying to standardize those to always use the same name rather than using alt text to further fragment it?

right now it's enabled for both skins

[gleaming cove]

I wonder how it'll look like on mobile haha

[hexed oasis]

probably way too big

[gleaming cove]

Guess so

[cold creek]

mmmm my favourite dish, the vampire survivors wiki

[hexed oasis]

i can change it to only load on vector/desktop

[gleaming cove]

sure, go ahead and do that

[gloomy oar]

:(

Couldn't you just shrink it on mobile

[hexed oasis]

yea but then the buttons and text would be too small to read/hit

[gloomy oar]

Oh yeah

[gloomy oar]

Have you done your daily duolingo

[hexed oasis]

technically you could load the desktop site on mobile, just hit the desktop button at the bottom of the page, then it'll show up since you're using the vector skin

[gleaming cove]

I don't care about that bird anymore dawg

especially ever since I lost my streak

[gloomy oar]

True...

McTrue

[gleaming cove]

@hexed oasis ngl, I feel like we have some potential for having calculators on the wiki
https://minecraft.wiki/w/Calculators

[hexed oasis]

really? i couldn't think of any use case for calcs other than a general build planner

[gleaming cove]

it'd be basically for that

maybe how characters' stats could work with selected passives and such

[hexed oasis]

rsw is loaded with calcs, they've got a whole namespace with hundreds of them https://runescape.wiki/w/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=&namespace=116&hideredirects=1
or just the main ones https://runescape.wiki/w/Calculators
but yea i just couldn't really think of any uses for vs calcs

[gleaming cove]

https://runescape.wiki/w/Calculators#Artisan_skills
funny how this one section alone has more calculators than the entire mc wiki

[hexed oasis]

even bsw has just about as many as mcw though the list itself isn't quite as designed https://brightershoreswiki.org/w/Calculators

[gleaming cove]

and that section that I linked probably still has more than both of them combined

[hexed oasis]

yea, rs has calcs for everything

even calcs for generating template code for the wiki

[gleaming cove]

interesting

shows how gargantuan the rs wiki is compared to the tiny vs wiki and the other not so tiny WG wikis 🤣

[hexed oasis]

bsw has some of that too, like i wrote this one to display your character's skill levels, and the calc form also gives you the wiki code https://brightershoreswiki.org/w/User:Californ1a/T/Professions/Generator
https://i.imgur.com/UZU9pyF.png

[hexed oasis]

i'm pretty sure it's the second largest wiki behind wikipedia itself (and other immediate wikimedia wikis)

[gleaming cove]

I have absolutely no idea about the game tho, so don't mind if these stats are too high, too low, or just random

[gleaming cove]

if fandom wikis count, there are marvel and dc wikis that have like 100k pages each

and wookieepedia (star wars wiki)

[hexed oasis]

the form inputs will limit you if you try to set something too large 😛 they go up to 500 each

[gleaming cove]

but for a gaming wiki, rs wiki is probably the most prestigious gaming wiki

[hexed oasis]

(and combat to 2k)

[hexed oasis]

i believe it's second in traffic, not necessarily page count

at least in 2021 it was https://i.imgur.com/ehWBH96.png
https://weirdgloop.org/2021-year-in-review/ wg haven't done a year in review for a while :/

[gleaming cove]

interesting
anyways, here is another test with the goal stats

(again, I have no idea about this game, but shouldn't the goals always be bigger than or equal to the regular profession stats? if so, should add a condition for that in the calculator)

[hexed oasis]

yes but i choose not to restrict that if for whatever reason someone wanted to leave an old goal visible for a bit until they decide to set a new one

[gleaming cove]

I see

[hexed oasis]

it's a template for user pages, so it's all about letting each user choose how they want to display it

[gleaming cove]

cool

speaking of the brighter shores wiki

why isn't it in this list yet? https://weirdgloop.org

[hexed oasis]

probably because it's too small to be worth listing 😛

[gleaming cove]

we're several times smaller :p

in terms of content at least

but probably have more traffic

[hexed oasis]

in terms of editors maybe but in terms of traffic/users/game popularity, vs is definitely higher up

[gleaming cove]

yeah, but bsw is barely beating us in terms of active users at the moment 😅

[hexed oasis]

bsw definitely has more editors, but that's just because it's mostly rs players who are playing it, and they're all already familiar with wiki editing

[gleaming cove]

makes sense

[hexed oasis]

player count is a whole different story https://steamcharts.com/app/2791440 & https://steamcharts.com/app/1794680

[gleaming cove]

true

[hexed oasis]

anyway, i could port over the gadget for making calcs, but as-is i just don't see it getting much if any use... the general wiki code calcs are essentially just putting down params and calling a template with them, so you can already make "calcs", just without the form inputs, all the form inputs let you do is have a submit button without having to save the page to change the params

[gleaming cove]

I see

[hexed oasis]

if anyone wants to continue with this, i started converting these all to sprites instead of just links https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Spells

[gleaming cove]

@hexed oasis it's gonna take forever

but I might continue on it

r u sure there isn't a faster way to deal with it tho?

[hexed oasis]

with how a lot of the sprites are named, not really... if they all matched the page name it'd be a bit easier, but characters especially right now are mostly using short names for the sprite files instead of their full names

[gleaming cove]

true

@hexed oasis btw, do u know about the multicursor trick?

[hexed oasis]

yea tho i use a script to export the page directly into vscode, can do a lot more there

[gleaming cove]

I see

u can do this trick on the wiki itself too

hold ctrl, click the lines u wanna edit, and go on from there

[hexed oasis]

with vsc it's a lot easier, way more keyboard shortcuts to multicursor a ton of lines all at once, or select multiple duplicate text

[gleaming cove]

each to their own

¯_(ツ)_/¯

we're making progress

[tropic zephyr]

time to start working on OTC pages

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flower-cat-flower-cat-dancing-dancing-gif-27431637

[hexed oasis]

have fun

@gleaming cove is this a correction or accidentally replaced the spell? https://i.imgur.com/OXpTGpA.png previous spell is what's on the character's page https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Megalo_Menya_Moonspell

[gleaming cove]

I'm doing it

[gleaming cove]

it's a typo, I'll fix it in a moment once I'm done

don't edit, I'm still editing the otc section

[tropic zephyr]

i meant adding weapon info and stuff

idk how to add sprites kek

[gleaming cove]

ah

yeah, go ahead and do that

your knowledge of the game is pretty valuable for the wiki 😅

[hexed oasis]

usually it's just {{Sprite|<page name>}} for just the image, or {{Sprite|<page>||1}} if you also want the text

[tropic zephyr]

btw, if i delete all parts of a table,does this go away?

[hexed oasis]

is that a visual editor thing? i don't think i've ever seen that, what page is it on?

[tropic zephyr]

currently editing the clock tower page

some of the otc weapon pages can't limit break, so i'm removing the tables from their pages.

[gleaming cove]

are you using visual editor or source editor

[tropic zephyr]

visual

[hexed oasis]

ah, maybe leave the section for limit break and put a sentence in there about it not being able to limit break

[tropic zephyr]

that's what im doing

[gleaming cove]

done with that and fixed the typo

[hexed oasis]

that's probably showing up because someone inserted this ref tag in the limit break section for a bunch of weapons https://i.imgur.com/y5lCR0u.png

that definitely shouldn't be there

[gleaming cove]

it is particularly used to denote might/base damage
e.g. https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Cherry_Bomb#Limit_Break

which is probably why the references tag there exists

it's just not filled yet

[hexed oasis]

yea but that's the catch-all references tag, it should have a group so it only lists the refs from that section, not all the ones above

[gleaming cove]

true

also, ngl, this is kinda pretty to look at

[tropic zephyr]

ok yeah, took out the reference thing and it's gone

is there a template or something for the passive / arcana tables?

[hexed oasis]

this combos section? https://i.imgur.com/nQ3rb1S.png

[tropic zephyr]

yeah

[hexed oasis]

it's a couple templates https://i.imgur.com/iAUg1TF.png

you could just use source editor, it's really not as scary as it might seem 😛

[tropic zephyr]

bwehhhhh

[gleaming cove]

it's also less buggy than visual editor

[hexed oasis]

visual editor also formats stuff weird sometimes

[gleaming cove]

but of course, we don't judge newer editors for using visual editor

everyone starts somewhere, i started wiki editing in general while using visual editor on another wiki

but if you want the full, true, professional wiki editing experience, you'll definitely need to use source :p

[hexed oasis]

yea it's there, better to edit in visual than to not edit at all

[tropic zephyr]

hahaha as if i'm professional :3

[gleaming cove]

in all cases

almost any edit on the wiki happens out of good faith (except, of course stuff like vandalism and spam)

even if it's super small or not perfect

so go ahead, try your best to edit something, and if you make a noticeable mistake, that's okay, we can easily fix it, or you can revert it

[hexed oasis]

that's what got me to start editing templates and eventually lua modules... like yeah, they're used on a ton of pages and that's scary if you mess up all those pages now show your mistake or they're broken in some way, but just a quick revert immediately fixes it

little harder when you start doing more complex stuff across multiple modules tho

[tropic zephyr]

is 's tag(?) just "out"

[hexed oasis]

wdym by tag?

[tropic zephyr]

idk how to explain it

[hexed oasis]

parameter? there is docs for every (almost) template https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Template:Combos/arcana

[tropic zephyr]

oo thanks

what are the darkana parameters, by the way?

they're not on the page for the darkana template

[hexed oasis]

https://i.imgur.com/JKV1UQJ.png

i guess that's one that still needs a doc

oh and the second half of them https://i.imgur.com/oDTX8QN.png

[tropic zephyr]

https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Clock_Tower how does this look? :3

[hexed oasis]

probably want to put a {{clear}} right before the combos section header

[tropic zephyr]

okie

[hexed oasis]

something for me to mess with later probably, make those combo tables less wide so they'll fit next to the infobox instead of having to go below it... but that'll also need to be set different on the mobile skin so i'll just leave them alone for now... tomorrow maybe

unless hepi wants to mess with it before i do - the template itself definitely shouldn't have the width attribute set, it should be in the css

[tropic zephyr]

qq: do WIP edits save if i just exit?

not pushed obviously but all the effort isnt gone

[gleaming cove]

Nah bro, go ahead

[fiery linden]

I have to ask, was there a particular reason why 'requires' formats the required weapons and passives like this? Because it looks kinda cumbersome as it is. Hell I'd say it was still cumbersome back in fandom

[cosmic sail]

Its not even in alphabetical order, this is a travesty

[wintry jewel]

jamie pull up the alphabet

[vagrant coral]

It is in the Collection's order, however!

[gleaming cove]

abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

[hexed oasis]

No, you have to save if you don't want to lose the changes... if you’re working on something larger that'll take you a while, you can either just do part of it and save on the main page, or you can make a copy of the page in your userspace (Special:MyPage/whateverpageyouwant) and work on it there, then copy it back to the main one when you’re done

[cosmic sail]

collection is weird then
doesn’t even follow the order you would get them while going up the tower

[wintry jewel]

Thanks

[gleaming cove]

Which is why I almost always quickly do the following:

• ctrl + a
• ctrl + x
• ctrl + v
• tab + enter
  Especially after a major edit

[fiery linden]

I say how the wiki orders the passives template for combos is weirder. It follows neither stats, or even its collection order properly

[tropic zephyr]

Ah

I just left my pc on lol

[fiery linden]

lol

[gleaming cove]

Also, iirc, there is an extension that allows for the recovery of unsaved edits, but I'm 100% sure it's not enabled here

[fiery linden]

...that feels like it should

[hexed oasis]

Part of the problem with restoring unsaved edits is if a change from someone else happens inbetween

[fiery linden]

wouldn't there be a failsafe for that? a warning that someone made an edit while you were still editing before you hit save changes?

or, when I mean

[hexed oasis]

There is, but people will ignore it, especially if they're trying to make a larger edit and end up with a merge conflict, they'll end up just saving over it rather than properly resolving the merge

Especially from newer or less experienced editors who won't know what a merge conflict is to begin with, they just want to save what they worked on

[fiery linden]

So do we italicize the DLC names or no?

[tropic zephyr]

i love the clockwork weapons since i can basically just copy the source

[fiery linden]

Well it's also causing some consistency issues with the rest of the weapons

[tropic zephyr]

?

[fiery linden]

I am currently doing a pass with all the weapons and making sure they're uniform with each other where appropriate

I don't think it's necessary to point out gold finger... I think. Since that's temporary

Though I'm open for discussion otherwise

[tropic zephyr]

Since it's part of the arcana, i think it's fine since they directly benefit weapons, unlike other pickups

even if it's temporary, the consistent gold fingers are a big part of hail so i felt they were worth mentioning

[fiery linden]

idk it's the fact it's not persistent I'm iffy on

it's not like Sapphire Mist which is a massive persistent boon to the weapon

The orlogions are a definitely an indirect bonus tho

[tropic zephyr]

yeah

maybe i can reward it to mention the more minor role of fingers?

[fiery linden]

I think I can make an arcana section mentioning both out of bounds and hail

that should fine

idk how I could word that tbh

[thorn prism]

I think the Castlevania map should have a trivia section that explains that the sprite looks like a map from the castlevania games.

[tropic zephyr]

probably something simple like "Out of Bounds increases the chance for Orologions to spawn, which will increase (insert clockwork weapon)'s damage." and "Hail from the Future can also provide orologions. Another benefit to this arcana is the occaisional Gold Finger, which provides a temporary cooldown bonus to all weapons."

[fiery linden]

that could work

[tropic zephyr]

i think your idea might be more practical, tho, at least for the arcana section of effects. I feel that's more for specific synergies, which is why arcana like aren't listed there

[fiery linden]

yeah but arcana has a whole thing with 'indirect' bonuses. They're not technically affecting the weapon specifically, but they're still persistent bonuses. Though Silent Old Sanctuary is only persistent with a specific requirement

[tropic zephyr]

that's why i mentioned the section under effects

the combo section is more general

(just to gauge others' opinions)

[fiery linden]

fair nuff

[wintry jewel]

whats arcana combos

[tropic zephyr]

just saying whether or not a weapon benefits from that arcana

[wintry jewel]

uhhh well its not really a weapon so probably not. But like something that involves golden fingers like karomas mana could maybe possibly count just a teensy weensy bit

[tropic zephyr]

The table just shows whether or not an arcana affects a weapon

Either indirectly via stats (boogaloo) or direct synergies

[runic valve]

if the game later release sth that gets a synergy with gold fingers that would mean rework on this part in the future if now it get neglected since gold finger is just an pick up.

[tropic zephyr]

even if they are just a pickup and give temporary stats, like i said they're still a major part of the arcana

[wintry jewel]

yeah then I'd say it is part of synergies

[wintry jewel]

wait if stat changes count as a synergy wouldnt like illusions synergize with everything

oh wait nvm you said boogaloo

I lowkey forgot what it was called

[vagrant coral]

I feel like, with a tangential link like this pictured one counting, the Golden Finger example should also be counted, since that's much more direct.

(used Platinum Whip for these images btw)

[tropic zephyr]

boogaloo of illusions

[wintry jewel]

yeah I forgor lol

[tropic zephyr]

like i mention here #1348880477053911114 message, the table is just to show if they AFFECT the weapon, and how. under "Effects" on a weapon's page, direct synergies are listed

[wintry jewel]

ohhh

[tropic zephyr]

tbh i dont know if i like listing arcana that affect arcana that affect the weapon

[vagrant coral]

Me neither, I'm just saying that if this counts, so should Hail's direct effect.

[fiery linden]

If you're going to insist on golden finger, that stays. A synergy is still a synergy

And more important, that affects luck

not the arcana itself

it's not 'required', yes, but it's something it does, and should be acknowledged

[devout echo]

Will DLC weapons be added to passive evolution boxes?

[tropic zephyr]

when i learn how to, i could

[fiery linden]

well you're gonna need to edit module:weapon

which I'm pretty sure is now written in LUA, a whole other coding nightmare for the uninitiated

[devout echo]

Isn’t this untrue for coffin characters?

[cold creek]

Wait they're not listed?

I swear they show ingame

[tropic zephyr]

for weapon pages

[cold creek]

Oops my bad

[tropic zephyr]

^

[fiery linden]

Staf's asking if that counts as a synergy

[cold creek]

No no no I realize now

[tropic zephyr]

idk. wicked season affecting luck isn't direct enough for weapon combos imo
but whatever, arcana synergies have already been listed for most weapons so might as well

[tropic zephyr]

coffin characters have to be purchased

[vagrant coral]

What about ||Dracula||? He just unlocks as soon as you get the ||Black Disc||, no payment required.

[tropic zephyr]

i can add him

[fiery linden]

he's the current sole exception

[tropic zephyr]

i guess if we're counting arcana synergies, then crystal cries also has to be added for every weapon

because of orologions from hail. also

[fiery linden]

We're talking about how this affects the weapon, not the character. At that point, its just about the pickup

Crystal Cries doesn't affect Clock Tower. It affects freeze.

[tropic zephyr]

they still would.... just super indirectly

just a funny thought lol

[fiery linden]

that's a level of too silly. Even then, that's more an effect synergy since both together can be pretty damn ridiculous in runs

I think that was mentioned in crystal cries tips anyway

[tropic zephyr]

it is

you could use the argument for keeping wicked season here, too

which is why i think arcana synergies with eachother just shouldn't be listed on weapon pages

there's already a page for arcana combos https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Arcanas/Combos (albeit empty), which would be much better for that

[fiery linden]

That's different. Wicked Season affects luck and therefore has an impact on Slash and Sapphire, which do affect the weapon and counts.

Crystal Cries doesn't affect the weapon unless said weapon is affected by these stats directly. Wind Whip and Vanitas Whip are both affected by Growth and Max Health respectively.

Weapons that can freeze with Jail of Crystal, I think should be pointed out they synergize with Out of Bounds and Crystal Cries.

Granted an argument could be made against Crystal Cries in this context

[cold creek]

Whattt?

[tropic zephyr]

wdym

[cold creek]

Wicked season

[tropic zephyr]

since CC affects growth, it'd let you get more luck out of wicked season

[tropic zephyr]

what about it

[fiery linden]

yeah what's the issue?

[cold creek]

Idk I'm tired goodbye

[fiery linden]

lol

[tropic zephyr]

ok

again, im not adding cc. just pointing it out

[fiery linden]

I don't really point out growth unless the weapon's stats benefit specifically because of growth. With certain exceptions like some character's passives, everything benefits from leveling up frequently, so I find it redundant

[tropic zephyr]

fair

like i said, i personally feel that affecting SM/Slash/JoC is too unrelated to the the weapon itself to include it on weapon pages, but it's already been established on the wiki so it stays

[tropic zephyr]

oh my god i just realized i have to add the double brackets to every instance of a stat name

kill me

[wintry jewel]

but you are so kind, why would I do that

[tropic zephyr]

:)

[fiery linden]

I mean I can on your behalf

[tropic zephyr]

i'll do it

[fiery linden]

the brackets not yknow

[tropic zephyr]

i wanna learn how to edit the wiki so

more pain is good

[fiery linden]

fair

Just don't take it as something you need to do in one go

[tropic zephyr]

i know

i was just gonna do the clockwork weapons today

and work my way backwards with OTC

[fiery linden]

god knows my attention span is rough enough as is

yknow I'm not even sure where to retrieve the limit break stats for the weapons, now that I think of it

[tropic zephyr]

i just use vstweaks

the f1 menu lets you see the limit break stuff

granted, you have to do some conversions (like multiplying power by 10 to find damage)

[wintry jewel]

idk how you are handling working on a single wiki page for hours

my brain cant even focus on an assignment due tomorrow

[tropic zephyr]

5* wiki pages

[wintry jewel]

5!?!?

[fiery linden]

patience, and a lot of passion

[wintry jewel]

on a thursday as well 😭

[tropic zephyr]

clock tower and the 4 base clockwork weapons

they're all basically the same page, though lol

[wintry jewel]

I thought u were just doing the evo

[tropic zephyr]

no

why not do the base weapons if im doing the evo

especially considering the evo isn't an actual weapon

[fiery linden]

It's a lot of copy pasting between the two anyhow

[tropic zephyr]

^^^^

[fiery linden]

regardless

Some evos are just copy paste and forget, with minor tweaks. With exceptions

Phireaggi why

[devout echo]

Are you sure?

[fiery linden]

Welp gotta say, thank you for telling me about vstweaks. This makes it easier

[tropic zephyr]

yeah. i tested it with pugnala and crewmate

[tropic zephyr]

it's a lifesaver haha

[wintry jewel]

how did you test them, does emergency meeting have an adventure?

[tribal jetty]

yea it does

[limpid totem]

yes

[tribal jetty]

dunno if it has a coffin tho

[wintry jewel]

if I check I will go down a spiral and get distracted

[tropic zephyr]

it does but i just used spells

[wintry jewel]

wait you can use spells to get a character twice

[tropic zephyr]

i wiped my save on mobile

lol

cost is tied to the character so it doesnt matter if you get them via coffin or spell (see dracula)

[wintry jewel]

wait are ||black disc|| characters and items available via spells before you get ||black disc||

[tropic zephyr]

weapons are a bit weird - seems to be a bug where OTC weapon spells dont work (at least pre-BD)

but characters yes

[plush rose]

weird indeed

the "everything" spell works fine with OtC weapons somehow

[tropic zephyr]

yeah

[hexed oasis]

while it wouldn't be too difficult to add support for more than 2 evos into the passive item infobox, tbh i think this is something we might want to move out of the infobox into an actual section on the page instead, probably with its own template, because otherwise stuff like the weapon powerup from operation guns would have a massive infobox

i also expect the amount of weapons that use the base game passives for evo is just going to keep growing, so eventually all the passives would have huge infoboxes if we keep it as it is

[cosmic sail]

yeah
the clutter would be insane

[cold creek]

which do i choose

[gleaming cove]

Absolutely

[cold creek]

My problem with adding those is that I'm never sure if I should add it at every instance or just the first instances

[hexed oasis]

at some point the template could manage that, so it wouldn't matter if you included them or not

[cold creek]

oh my god thank you

[sturdy spruce]

"The wiki is outdated, its actually xxx, dont use the wiki"

And then proceeds to not update the wiki with the correct info

[hexed oasis]

tbf they're probably (wrongly) thinking anything they change will just get immediately reverted, since that does tend to be the case with wikipedia, but isn't for most other wikis

[cold creek]

Added to the april fool's page idea list

[gleaming cove]

@cold creek
they also made these:
https://vampire-survivors.fandom.com/wiki/It's_as_simple_as_ABC:_obtain_the_ring_of_rings.
https://vampire-survivors.fandom.com/wiki/Find_the_only_one_place_where_flowers_bloom_in_The_Bone_Zone.

[hexed oasis]

i definitely saw stuff related to those show up in searchdigest, made a few different redirects for them

[gleaming cove]

it's quite funny but charming

honestly

I have no idea whether they're doing it out of pure innocence or they're adding these goofy pages on the fandom wiki on purpose, more so as a joke, knowing that the official wiki exists

[cold creek]

I mean they look like they're being done by someone younger

[gleaming cove]

probably lol

[cold creek]

I'd believe these are genuine

[gleaming cove]

same

[cold creek]

The new wiki doesn't show up on google yet for most circumstances so they probably think it's outdated

However these are also adorable

[gleaming cove]

yeah

@cold creek the new wiki is showing up!!! 🎉

[hexed oasis]

we've already had similar super short pages be created on the new wiki too ¯_(ツ)_/¯ https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Anima_of_Dracula?oldid=31662

[gleaming cove]

well, for me at least, it's in 5th place, and me using the wiki a lot probably is a big factor to this

but it's a start!

[gleaming cove]

lol yeah

[cosmic sail]

it’s been showing up near the bottom for me since I’ve started using it so

[gleaming cove]

it's a bit funny

but again, it technically is a good faith edit

just definitely needs complete reworking with the basic layout and stuff

[gleaming cove]

that's good

because it is the first time I've seen it on the first page on google

note: I'm not including official announcements from poncle

[hexed oasis]

yea as long as it's not just creating the page and leaving the whole content blank it's generally fine... we could potentially have some preloads, just a button that auto creates a basic skeleton structure into the edit box for different page types

[cosmic sail]

just checked, it was literally the first one below the first page

[gleaming cove]

Yeah, that would definitely be useful, especially for future content

In my opinion, a good focus would be to make wiki editing as accessible and convenient as possible

[cosmic sail]

does the wiki have categories set up

[gleaming cove]

Absolutely

[cosmic sail]

in what way are they being used

just the basic things (weapons, arcana, etc) or involving stuff like coat of arms weapons

i guess its a bad example because it has its own page but still

[hexed oasis]

generally weapon pages are just in the weapons category, with others for if they're in a dlc and which dlc https://i.imgur.com/45rk3ME.png

[gleaming cove]

Mostly basic categories for now

[cosmic sail]

i think more specific things should be added when the wiki is more finished
for example ‘Weapons Affected by Luck’ (broad category but still

for example if you wanted to see all weapons that scale off curse/growth (because I think there’s a few iirc)

the issue really is the helpfulness - effort ratio

but something like ‘Weapons That Deal Critical Damage’ would be decently helpful if there’s nothing like it already

[hexed oasis]

rather than categories, i'm focusing more on smw properties, for example https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Hail_from_the_Future_(X) has these https://i.imgur.com/VpsKlbA.png
and those properties can be queried for, so things like a more dynamic search page could be made to filter by those properties

[cosmic sail]

thats basically what i see categories as

so yeah

[hexed oasis]

categories are like the basic version of smw properties, but they're a lot less flexible and can't have complex filtering applied to them, like if you wanted all weapons that scale with curse, but only positive scaling not negative, can't do that with a category easily unless you make separate categories for positive and negative scaling... or if you wanted to filter for only >+3 might or something like that, categories just can't do that

[cosmic sail]

makes sense

ty for explaining to someone who knows basically nothing about this

[hexed oasis]

though, once smw properties are set up, applying categories based on those properties is tremendously simple, so we could definitely do both

[cold creek]

its now at 2nd place for me on bing

[gleaming cove]

Awesome

But then, I feel like Bing overvalues wikis, which is a good thing though

[gleaming cove]

speaking of evolutions in infoboxes...

what do u think we should do here for now? 4 evos are listed
https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Skull_O'Maniac

[hexed oasis]

uh

fixed it for now, but that's a mess

[cosmic sail]

oh that’s how you evolve hex

[runic valve]

it looks it need to add propeties with the weapon that evolve with a passive to call them on the passive itens to make it link without messing on future update * that's not my field but it looks that is the case after reading above messages

[hexed oasis]

this just goes back to wanting to move that stuff out of the infobox and make a template for having them in their own section on the page instead

[cold creek]

Oh hell yeah

[gleaming cove]

Ikr

[wintry jewel]

what

[plush rose]

I think Chaos would prefer evolved Garlic much more

now got me thinking that there should be an easter egg where if you have the Soul Eater while playing as Chaos, its sprite would change into the version where each of the statues hold soul orbs

[thorn prism]

https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Weapons/Combos should be updated, it has no collab weapons yet.

[hardy cosmos]

So I was looking through the weapon files, as you do, and I noticed that the anima weapons have descriptions and tips

The descriptions are just "Hands of Dracula" and "Hands of Death." But the tips they have are just jokes, that nobody would see unless they were looking through the files.

Dracula's is "You'll be Vlad you have this!"

Death's is "Damage to Die for."

[vagrant coral]

Oh my gosh, that is amazing lol. Do you know if ||Aquazzone|| (||Ferryman||'s weapon) has something like this?

[hardy cosmos]

Sadly it doesn't, just checked.

[vagrant coral]

Fair enough. Still, nice find!

[vagrant coral]

I spelled it wrong lol: https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Acquazzone

[gloomy oar]

Oh that's weird

really cool weapon tho

[vagrant coral]

Agreed, makes ||Ferryman|| one of my personal favorite Ode secrets.

[runic valve]

anyway that would be a common mistake in spelling just a 'c' people may forget

[hexed oasis]

misspellings are definitely worth making a redirect

[vagrant coral]

Maybe redirect both "Aquazzone" and "Aquazone" to be safe.

[hexed oasis]

Anyone can make them, they're really simple, just hit make new page on the sidebar, make a page for the misspelling, and all you put on the page is #REDIRECT [[actual page]]

[runic valve]

a small video showing how to do it pinned in this thread would make things easier even to people that has almost no knowledge editing on the wiki.

[hexed oasis]

Not a bad idea, but I can't pin stuff, and also videos are a lot harder to keep updated if something changes, we should just have some basic editing guides on the wiki itself

[hardy cosmos]

I made the redirects

[cold creek]

Of there's an actual sprite?

[cold creek]

What even are these

You keep sending them but I can't find them

[hexed oasis]

go to your account preferences in the gadgets tab to enable it

[cold creek]

thank you!

also, can i add a category for special bosses (ones such as Big Fuzz, Je-Ne-Viv, Directer, etc.)?

Since they're much more notable than the normal bosses, which tend to just be larger enemies

[hexed oasis]

yea go for it

[cold creek]

yay!

for weirder ones like Maddener (from HOLY FORBIDDEN) I'll probably try to get a concensus on if they count or not

Wait should I name the category "Special Bosses" or "Advanced Bosses"?

[hexed oasis]

most the categories are going to be moved to get applied by the infobox automatically at some point rather than dumping them all manually at the bottom of all the pages, but for now can just keep adding them as they are

probably special

[cold creek]

alright

[gleaming cove]

longest edit summary in the world :p

[cold creek]

black mold

[cold creek]

You gotta clean that stuff

I be yapping with these trivias

[gleaming cove]

Black mold.

@regal flame so apparently, the name of the merchant from planar bazaar is maria sofia?

https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/File:Sprite-MARIASOFIA.png

[regal flame]

There are no strings in translation files and this is just ID

[gleaming cove]

I see

[gleaming cove]

I'll ask devs about this for confirmation

[cold creek]

NOBODY noticed that the Twin Snakes resemble the Bone Pillars?

Am I insane or was it really never noted anywhere??

[gleaming cove]

not me though

¯_(ツ)_/¯

there's always some little bits of trivia you can always find and add

it happens

[cold creek]

When I was playing Bloodlines before OtC released I was like "wow these look familiar"

With the skeletons you could argue that those are just fantasy skeletons like they've got everywhere, but unless bone pillars themselves are based off of something specific, I'm pretty sure that's a direct reference

You see what I mean, right?

Plus they both spit projectiles

Jeez I'm getting embarrassed about never playing CV until recently 😭

[limpid totem]

dont be, i also have never played a cv game

[cold creek]

-# does OtC count-

-# i mean it apparently has as much content as one-

[limpid totem]

-# no

[cold creek]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jumpscare-cat-meme-jump-jumping-gif-183729193180374195

[limpid totem]

-# also this is my first time actually using small text lol

[cold creek]

-# i got told i talk like an deltarune character when i use it

[limpid totem]

-# lmao it does

[tribal jetty]

yes

by this logic i have played a castlevania game

[cold creek]

mixed messages

-# i mean either way i completed CV 1-

i apparently never completed 1st grade with all these typos I'm making

[cold creek]

anything else i need to edit before i publish the big edit that add dlc merchants to planar bazzar?

alright im publishing it now

[cold creek]

ermmmm you forgot some trivia

mods, execute this user now!!

[cold creek]

send and i'll add

https://tenor.com/view/pisscord-gif-7378587637875019303

I didn't realize this gif was edited wtf 😭

[hexed oasis]

tbh a lot of the trivia on most the pages should probably just be in actual sections of those pages rather than just piling on more stuff in the trivia list

[cold creek]

Some do deserve to be put in sections, however I am but a clueless editor

the albus quote stunned me for a bit (it was referring to the true ending of ecclesia)

I gotta get on CV proper

I think I'll start with Symphony of the Night

[cold creek]

I love Trivia

How to you add pictures?

@cold creek do you know

sorry for the ping but you're the only one I noticed online and you just did a huge edit

oh wait california is on now

@hexed oasis hey you!

[hexed oasis]

depends if it's an image that's already uploaded or not

[cold creek]

not uploaded

[hexed oasis]

https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Special:Upload

[cold creek]

Thank you!

NOOOOO

IT UPLOADED THE ONE WITHOUT A CHANGED NAME

[hexed oasis]

go to the page for the file, and in the top right, more->move

(and uncheck the box to leave a redirect)

[cold creek]

Alrighty

Yay everything looks good

[gleaming cove]

same

@cold creek oh yeah, about this

not every page will need a trivia section

[cold creek]

literally 1987

I mean 84

Wellllll ill add it to NEARLY every page

[gleaming cove]

as long as you can find trivia, that'll be great

but if not, that's ok, don't feel obliged to make a trivia section just for the sake of it

[cold creek]

It's just that most stuff in the game references other things so I kinda expect to add it

[hexed oasis]

some wikis even have a whole policy specifically for trivia sections, to make sure a bunch of stuff isn't just dumped into trivia with no merit https://runescape.wiki/w/RuneScape:Trivia_policy

and i'd tend to agree with pretty much everything in that policy, tho we don't need to be that strict on it

[gleaming cove]

yeah ofc

we're a much smaller community than rs wiki

but it's just more of a convention or recommendation, rather than a strict rule

[cold creek]

I mean if anything I add isn't necessary then just delete it :p

[gleaming cove]

true

if you notice a reference, and are sure about it, then mention it in trivia

[cold creek]

this would stay, right?

[gleaming cove]

either way, the trivia policy is almost basic common sense that could be summarized in one sentence: "make sure trivia is factual, correct, relevant, and not be a piece of info that can be mentioned in other sections"

[hexed oasis]

personally i'd say no since it's speculation, not a confirmed piece of actual trivia about it, but that's just me

[cold creek]

I mean it's most certainly a Death Knell

I only mention Red Death because a death knell would be played in both situations (to announce a death and to signify an impending death) so I couldn't set in concrete that it's one or three other

If you can get one of them confirmed ill change it tho

ahh im going to sleep though

[gleaming cove]

good night

[plush rose]

an easter egg where there's a chance for the Master Librarian to be in Poe's place instead would be cool. For his message, it could go like, "my fellow chairbound friend , is off to some garlic-related business currently. Would you care to read a book with me instead."

idk how it would be implemented in the code lmao

[cold creek]

Wait would notes about a stage's music be put under the stage or under the music

Do the songs even have pages

actually should references just have their own section???

[gleaming cove]

not yet

but we could get started on that soon

it's planned

[hexed oasis]

it's possible, but would essentially have to be its own whole separate thing that doesn't really fit in with how the rest of the script is designed right now

[plush rose]

ello, does the wiki have an infobox builder? or sumthin to easily modify infoboxes

thinking of doin something with the infobox used in map event pages

since it's literally just the old infobox for displaying enemy info

[hexed oasis]

the infoboxes are in lua

[plush rose]

oh no, lua

[hexed oasis]

what did you want added? i can probably do it pretty easily

[plush rose]

really? thanks! hold on, lemme jot them down first real quick

dw its not that much xD

[hexed oasis]

also just so you know, they are separate infoboxes, the actual enemy pages use https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Module:Infobox_Bestiary and the map events use https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Module:Infobox_Enemy

[gleaming cove]

nope

fandom did

and tbh, depending on how you think of it, it may be one of the few decent things from fandom: mainly more so if you think on the convenience side of things for some editors: a visual infobox builder could be easier for editors to use to build infoboxes

however, it's not every day that editors would need to make their own infoboxes, and the lua syntax for it isn't too complicated

[hexed oasis]

fandom's infoboxes are a mess to actually do anything with more complicated than just putting values directly into rows

[gleaming cove]

yeah, there's that too

not like fandom's PI could work here anyway, unless if we enabled its extension, but then, I do like the lua-based infoboxes more, even if it is new to me

[cold creek]

i really wish to get the cv death boss page expanded but 1. couldnt find aspects' sprite and 2. i suck at describing things 😢

[plush rose]

yess ik xD iirc infobox enemy was the one used for enemy pages before infobox bestiary. anyway here's what I wanted to get changed in the infobox enemy. sorry for the delay, internet is acting up for sum reason

it's totally not because i made that graphic lol 😭

[hexed oasis]

on the last bit, that's already noted as a todo https://i.imgur.com/kUuzAdC.png

[plush rose]

u mean the directer's masks? i could get those for u

[plush rose]

oooh thats unexpected

[cold creek]

i wont be the one to edit cv death boss anyways cause i suck at describing things
its better to have the files uploaded tho

[hexed oasis]

on the first bit, i think i'll just rename the whole infobox module to infobox map event instead of infobox enemy

[plush rose]

sure, it'd be convenient for anyone who'd do it in the future

[plush rose]

yesyes

[hexed oasis]

the map event pages will be a bit broken for a few minutes while i move that stuff around

[plush rose]

i was thinking bout it too. won't it cause any issues if it gets renamed tho?

mn, my messages aint sending

[plush rose]

okie

[hexed oasis]

should be good now

making stats collapsible is possible but will take some reworking, a lot of css, so it's not a huge priority, but if you've got any specific fields you want replaced or added, those are easy to change

[hexed oasis]

threw this together, if anyone wants to make it more organized into groups or use sprites for them, go for it https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Template:MapEventNav

[plush rose]

thanks! is it possible for those freeze resistance, instant kill resistance, etc. stuff to not show up if they're empty? they could also be deleted since they're not exactly relevant to map events anyway

[hexed oasis]

yea

[plush rose]

there are also some params that are better off gone too. such as hp, max health, base damage, and movespeed.

[hexed oasis]

how's it look now?

(you might have to more->refresh at the top right for whichever page you're looking at)

[plush rose]

yay, so much better

u're awesome

[hexed oasis]

and i think i might have a dead simple basic way to make the sections collapsible, let me try something

nvm, didn't work

[gleaming cove]

could adding the mw-collapsible class in section headers work

and then have the infobox row groups be collapsible?

unless if that was exactly what u were trying

[hexed oasis]

nah i was trying <details><summary> stuff, but apparently they needs an extension, isn't supported in mw by default

[gleaming cove]

probably ask WG to enable it

or maybe use something from RS wiki, if they have collapsible infobox sections anywhere on the wiki

[hexed oasis]

nah it can be made collapsible without, just more work

[gleaming cove]

Okie

[plush rose]

wait, are there actually any pressure plates in Lake Foscari

I can't find any, or I'm just blind breh

For some reason, Lake Foscari has pressure plate-triggered wave events, but I can't find any pressure plates at all, or something similar to it, at least

[limpid totem]

its where the map is located

its a flower

[gleaming cove]

@loud acorn welcome to the new wiki 👋

[plush rose]

mmm lemme check that out

[cold creek]

Should playable enemies be a category or no

[plush rose]

Probably

Could be in a category called "Characters with enemy counterparts", idk

[gleaming cove]

That'd be for character pages, rather than enemy pages

The enemy pages would be the other way around: "Enemies with character counterparts"

[plush rose]

Yesyes 🥚 sactly

[gleaming cove]

golden 🥚

[cold creek]

[gleaming cove]

yup

good news: our wiki is gonna be available in the next update for indie wiki buddy!

[hexed oasis]

https://github.com/KevinPayravi/indie-wiki-buddy/commit/d77d3f39c3bdb979db085a7c66c4cb2e5302ffd5

[gleaming cove]

There are still a few other wikis I've submitted to IWB before that I wish could be counted (such as the needy streamer overload wiki), but I'm very happy that VSW is gonna be included in the next update. It was going to be inevitably included, but it makes me happy that our wiki is validated and seen as a superior wiki, if you know what I mean :p

[cold creek]

HELL YEA- there's a build-a-bear wiki?

[gleaming cove]

apparently, yeah

there's a wiki for practically anything

https://buildabearwiki.info/wiki/Home

[cold creek]

if vampire survivors is added to indie wiki buddy.. how will I ever read the literary gems like The fiery balcony or Deal with the consequence of stealing cheese from the Dairy Plant.

[gleaming cove]

You don't

But it is kind of a shame that the person who made this didn't join us though

They're a God at writing, they might as well write a whole thesis on just floor chicken

And that thesis could be bigger than the entirety of the VS wiki

[cold creek]

truly the next einstein

[gleaming cove]

Might as well deal with the same consequences that you'd have if you steal cheese from the diary plant

In the fiery balcony

[cold creek]

The fiery cheese plant and the consequential stolen balcony

[gleaming cove]

Yeah

That too

[zealous venture]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-dancing-bailando-gif-xd-gif-20545927

[hexed oasis]

finally done converting all the template and module documentation... now we've got proper automated docs showing what stuff uses what https://i.imgur.com/wGu1zep.png

[gleaming cove]

the powers of the rs wiki

[hexed oasis]

yea, it's really nice knowing exactly what all uses any particular module

[hexed oasis]

also added these reference tooltips https://i.imgur.com/SRjhDo5.png page scrolling down to refs was annoying 😛

[gleaming cove]

nice

@hexed oasis I wonder how we could go with describing this feature in the game in the form of an article 🤔

unless if it was already documented somewhere in a section of a page (whatever it may be)

[hexed oasis]

oh i wasn't even thinking of the button in-game for that, i was thinking it was people wanting some kind of starter guide, but that makes more sense lol

[gleaming cove]

ah lol

well

all I could say is that "quick start" is unlocked at one point in the game (I forgot when, maybe something to do with the yellow sign iirc?)
you immediately start with a random character in a random stage
the stage modifiers are set to the same ones as you have last set them in stage selection

dunno if it could be useful enough for an entire article, but that's all I got for it. explaining it somewhere in a section on the wiki would be nice, but idk where it'd fit

[limpid totem]

i think its when you unlock random
i could be wrong though

[tropic zephyr]

that used to be how it was, playing 2 games with

but now it's after unlocking capella

[gleaming cove]

https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Darkasso
https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Randomazzo
is there even anything to add in those pages?

i doubt it tbh

[tropic zephyr]

nah

[gleaming cove]

yeah, u have the basic info, intro, how to obtain, and I've added a screenshot of them in use

not much else u could add

[tropic zephyr]

mhm

do we want to make a new page for the master libarian merchant? i was gonna start working on his weapon pages

maybe we could update https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Merchant to describe the general merchant mechanic?

i noticed there are distinguishing pages, so perhaps "merchant" could redirect to one? just like dominus
idk, just putting my thoughts out there

[gleaming cove]

@hexed oasis what do u think? ^

[hexed oasis]

i would say that merchant should just cover all merchants, but that might get a little long and confusing if it also included stuff like planar bazaar or other adventure merchants

[tropic zephyr]

adventure merchants could be another page, since they're exclusive to adventures (and would CLOG the merchant page like you said hahaha)

[gleaming cove]

I'd say make the main merchant page provide full info about big trouser as a merchant and then have brief overviews on other merchants (including adventure ones) while linking to their respective page that would cover them better ig

[hexed oasis]

yea that'd work, throw all the others' individual pages into a See also section or something like that

[gleaming cove]

Gonna keep in mind that there are some unused files here to use for later
https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Special:UnusedFiles

(Mostly the audios and sprite animations)

[gleaming cove]

Perhaps tomorrow, since it is getting late for me

Also, kinda wish mediawiki counted wiki skin images as "used files"

[hexed oasis]

That's what Project:Orphanage is for, just haven't gotten around to making it yet https://runescape.wiki/w/RuneScape:Orphanage

[gleaming cove]

RS wiki has basically everything we could think of

[tropic zephyr]

lol

okie, gonna make the master librarian merchant page before i work on the rest of his weapons

[tropic zephyr]

https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Master_Librarian_(Merchant)

:3

[tropic zephyr]

i love how sword brothers just doesn't care

[limpid totem]

damn

[tropic zephyr]

yeah

essentially 7:2 because of redundancy

[tropic zephyr]

ok im really not a fan of putting luck as a stat that affects the WEAPONS just because of sapphire mist

i'll maybe compromise on the hail thing with keeping - sapphire synergy in the arcana table, but the combos/stats table definitely feels like it's about the weapon itself

same goes for magnet/amount for the weapons that benefit from

[tropic zephyr]

I think if we ARE going to allow the tables to be more “build-focused” rather than “weapon-focused”/on a clean slate, then there should be another setting in the combos templates to indicate “this stat doesn’t affect the weapon itself, but it affects an arcana that benefits the weapon”

[hexed oasis]

you could already do that with the note param

[tropic zephyr]

I know

But for clarity sake (people love reading)

[tropic zephyr]

Kinda gravitating back towards this idea, and having all the stats that each arcana benefit from/affect

[hexed oasis]

could potentially have something like this orange or yellow circle as an "indirect" affects, with a note for which arcana

https://i.imgur.com/wcPaIK2.png

[tropic zephyr]

Would it be possible to have the randomazzo as the icon?

[hexed oasis]

yea

[tropic zephyr]

That’d work

[hexed oasis]

does it only need to be added to Combos/stats, or also arcana and darkana?

[tropic zephyr]

The arcana and darkana tables, too

[hexed oasis]

Combos/stats should have it now, instead of =1, set it =2

/arcana does now

and /darkana does now too

[gleaming cove]

@tropic zephyr just a small tip: in the Special:Upload page, you can rename your files in the "Destination filename" form

(this is also a tip for others who don't know but wanna upload files)

[hexed oasis]

i'll mess with the stats one later but now arcana and darkana combos are both modules and using the same table building code rather than being completely separate templates 🎉 https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Module:Combos

[gleaming cove]

@hexed oasis aren't Mt. Moonspell (adventure stage) and Mt.Moonspell (main stage) the same thing?

unless if I am trippin

[hexed oasis]

nah they're different

[gleaming cove]

ok

just making sure

[hexed oasis]

https://i.imgur.com/zYhVCMn.png

the map itself is the same, but a couple item spawns are different, and the waves definitely are

[gleaming cove]

I see

I'ma proceed with creating pages of the remaining adventure stages

[hexed oasis]

a couple of them already got made but are missing the infobox and navbox, they're also using the quote template for the description which is different from the rest of the stage pages

[gleaming cove]

yeah

that's what I'm working with first

giving them the basic layout

then do the same for the redlink pages

and then, people can have the opportunity to expand these pages

[gleaming cove]

oh yeah, @tribal jetty, you're "Dani" on the wiki, right? if so, welcome to the wiki 👋

[tropic zephyr]

Oo nice

[cold creek]

That would've been nice for me the other day...

[hexed oasis]

there's also https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Special:BatchUpload if you're needing to upload multiple files, but you can't rename on there, gotta make sure the original filenames you upload are correct

[gleaming cove]

it's ok, every day, you may learn a little new thing about wiki editing :)

[gleaming cove]

still have the operation guns adventure stages left

[cold creek]

ohhhh that's probably why then..

[gleaming cove]

speaking of which, I'll probably add a little desc/quick guide there

[gleaming cove]

done

[hexed oasis]

those links don't get parsed btw @gleaming cove https://i.imgur.com/vIItXLu.png

(it also auto-adds a colon to the end)

[gleaming cove]

That's odd

Do external links work?

[hexed oasis]

no idea

rsw doesn't customize that, and mcw just has it as "Description"

[gleaming cove]

"Description" seems to be default

Anyway, I'll revert it

[tribal jetty]

yea

fake poe ratcho

[gleaming cove]

epic

[hexed oasis]

there was a weird caching issue going on here https://i.imgur.com/9AyoXuK.png
https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Special:WantedPages
but i think i've mostly fixed it... had something to do with pages that linked to https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Debuff?redirect=no - removing the links and re-adding them cleared it up

[gleaming cove]

noticed this from like a week ago and was like "where the hell is this coming from?" 😅

I couldn't find any links to a specific "2" page, which was why I was weirded out

@hexed oasis oh yeah, btw, most of the redlinks listed here are mainly redlinks coming from enemy sprites
https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Special:WantedPages?limit=500&offset=0

I wonder if there is possibly any automated process, like mapping out each usage of the sprite template for enemies, and then have a bot include its appropriate link parameter across the wiki? unless if you're thinking of something else

[hexed oasis]

yea, it's because they're using the sprite template with an enemy id, without specifying the link param to link to the actual enemy's page

[gleaming cove]

yeah

[hexed oasis]

yeah it wouldn't be too difficult to get the bot to replace {{Sprite|BOSS_XLDEATH|mlarge}} with {{Sprite|BOSS_XLDEATH|mlarge|link=The Reaper}}

[gleaming cove]

yup

[hexed oasis]

tbh tho, what i might do is edit the sprite module to check if the sprite name is in all caps, and then just not add the link unless it's manually specified

[gleaming cove]

that can work too, at least for eliminating the redlink problem

[gleaming cove]

gonna go ahead and fix add links to the sprites in the enemies page at least

[hexed oasis]

alright, here's a temp category for all the pages that need the link param in their sprites set https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Category:Pages_needing_sprite_link_parameter - it is also tagging two weapons though, NO FUTURE and BFC2000-AD... those can probably just be left as they are, and i'll just revert the change in the sprite module once those pages have all been sorted

actually, lemme just add those weapon names as exceptions to the sprite module, ez revert later

[gleaming cove]

yay, more maintenance

(not sarcastic, this is a fun part of editing a wiki to me :p)

[hexed oasis]

alright, adding those two exceptions brought it down from 41 pages to 23

[gleaming cove]

nice

it was like 100+ or something without these exceptions

[hexed oasis]

oh that's because those two were in the weapon navbox, which was incidentally also tagging every weapon page

i originally just fixed them in the navbox, which brought it down to 41, but then just had the thought to add them as expections in the module itself

[gleaming cove]

ah

[hexed oasis]

also btw it looks like the vast majority of those enemy sprites are also using <br>[[Name]] after the sprite... that can be replaced with a param within the sprite template, the 4th argument is to make the text link stacked under the sprite, so
{{Sprite|ID|medium}}<br>[[Name]] --> {{Sprite|ID|medium|1|1|Name}}
{{Sprite|ID|medium}}[[Name]] --> {{Sprite|ID|medium|1||Name}}

[gleaming cove]

alr, thx for the tip

tho, in the enemies page in particular, the sprites column just lists the sprites alone, so using the link parameter instead is the way to go here

[hexed oasis]

yea when it's just the sprite

[gleaming cove]

and for the rest of the pages, in theory, it could potentially be a find and replace operation that could probably be done by a bot, maybe with some quick reviewing afterwards

(haven't checked yet)

[hexed oasis]

probably yeah can just be done with the in-editor find/replace without any bot needed

[gleaming cove]

ok

[gleaming cove]

done

[gleaming cove]

maybe gonna work on this

[regal flame]

What do you think about adding this funny thing to doppelganger page as sprite?
https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/User:Dezzelshipc/Sandbox

It is kinda bad and recaches every 10 seconds, but funny

[gleaming cove]

technically the truth :p

[hexed oasis]

it'd probably be better to do

<choose>
<option>[[File:char1.png]]</option>
<option>[[File:char2.png]]</option>
...
</choose>

rather than dpl for that kind of thing - or when i get around to figuring out a generic smw setup for all the infoboxes to use, smw queries for the sprites would be much more performant than dpl

[gleaming cove]

does it work here tho?

it didn't work for me on wiki.gg and it may have just been a fandom thing

but I'll test it

[hexed oasis]

ik it works on rsw, i use it to change my userspace title https://runescape.wiki/w/User:Californ1a/Title

[gleaming cove]

wait nvm

[gleaming cove]

it does
https://needystreameroverload.wiki.gg/wiki/User:JustLeafy/Sandbox?#Choose!

works here too
https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/User:HepiChestCow/Sandbox#choose

so it works on any mw wiki

[hexed oasis]

i did get some basic properties set up for enemy variants - main page https://i.imgur.com/rXwoVcC.png and subobject/individual variant https://i.imgur.com/uBstEoA.png
but for some of the more complex stuff like the sprite list, i'll probably have to convert https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Template:Statbox_Enemy into a lua module, so that's another lua project to add to my list 😛

[gleaming cove]

The power of lua

[gleaming cove]

tfw u have a tip on how to use a particular weapon that u wanna add to the wiki, but u forgot what it is

[gleaming cove]

Nvm, I do: basically, u can use garlic against a bat swarm as an effective way to defeat the bat swarm

[hexed oasis]

i feel like a lot of these tips should just be rewritten into more cohesive strategy guides on the particular stages where they would apply, rather than just bullet point lists on the enemies or weapons

[gleaming cove]

Ehh, doesn't sound like a bad idea, but I feel like there are some good tips on how to use some weapons, in most stages at least, but that's just me

[gleaming cove]

Update: to those that have the Indie Wiki Buddy and use Chrome, the update for IWB that includes the VS Wiki is now available!

firefox users like me are gonna suffer for a little longer :c

[zealous venture]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-dancing-bailando-gif-xd-gif-20545927

[hexed oasis]

think i've got https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Template:Statbox_Enemy ported to lua
just in my sandbox module for now https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Module:Sandbox/User:Californ1a
i'll copy it into a proper module name and actually replace the main template when i feel like checking through anything it breaks 😛

[gleaming cove]

good work, as always!

@hexed oasis oh yeah, in other good news: with our work with the sprite template/enemies page, the wanted page count reduced from <500 to just <80 pages!

https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Special:WantedPages?limit=500&offset=0

[hexed oasis]

if anyone sees any lua errors on any enemy pages, just hit more->refresh in the top right... it should work itself out on its own eventually, but just in case

[tropic zephyr]

@fiery linden thanks for the note on not bolding every instance of a weapon's name haha. i was unsure of how important it was

[fiery linden]

All good

[tropic zephyr]

any other tips? i've noticed consistency is a decent concern so i want to be proactive about it

[hexed oasis]

typically the only thing that should be bold is the very first mention of the page's name

[tropic zephyr]

yeah i get that

[hexed oasis]

right at the start of the first sentence on the page

[fiery linden]

Nothing specific comes to mind atm, just try and take cues from the older pages ig

[hexed oasis]

hm, a few searches have happened multiple times that i have no idea what they're referencing or trying to find... "grass grows" and "whentheycry"
https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Special:SearchDigest

[tropic zephyr]

grass grows is probably referring to 's secret

kinda feels like someone from a different language trying to search

[hexed oasis]

ah yea that makes a lot more sense

[tropic zephyr]

as for "whentheycry" - no clue. there's no secret or spell in the game like that. closest i have is joachim's secret but.... that's very much so a stretch

[hexed oasis]

alright the enemy variant statboxes should be good to go now

if anyone notices anything weird with any of them, let me know
the only odd exception i've found that i'll need to figure out a way to deal with later is the atlanteans and reaper which say something like "all stages" instead of individually listing each of the stages they appear on like all the other enemies, so i can't easily extract those into properties for what stages they appear in...

but all the other enemies should have properties now, eg https://i.imgur.com/jd6dkE5.png
and they can be queried
so for example here's all the enemies with 10 hp https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Special:SearchByProperty/:Health/10
or all the enemies with move speed https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Property:Move_speed

and if anyone wants to go fill in a bunch of enemy data, here's a category for all the stuff missing
https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Category:Enemy_variants_missing_info
the values can be found in dezz's github https://github.com/Dezzelshipc/VampireSurvivorsFiles/blob/main/Data/Vampire Survivors/ENEMY_DATA.json (base game, dlc's enemy data is in other folders)

[plush rose]

ooh handy

updating/creating enemy pages plus their wave events are one of my main tasks rn so that's really nice

[gleaming cove]

Jackpot

[wise crown]

@hexed oasis is there an option to upscale enemy sprites in some pages, such as here?
https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Abbadon

unless if I manually upscale the sprites on my end, then re-upload them with a higher res

[hexed oasis]

In the statbox or infobox?

[wise crown]

infobox

statbox is fine

[hexed oasis]

We could just give all the non-gallery bestiary infobox sprites a consistent size in the module, similar to the statbox, it just sets them all to 128px (or 64 if there's too many sprites, like skeleton)

[wise crown]

sounds good to me

[hexed oasis]

I'll do that later when I'm off mobile

[plush rose]

I manually upscale them in an app in my case 😭

multiply the sprite's size by 4, then resize the canvas to 256px or higher depending on its resulting sze

[wise crown]

@patent valley welcome to the wiki 👋

[wise crown]

search up "rick roll" on this wiki

[hexed oasis]

tbh we should be using the actual sprites as they are in-game, not upscaling before upload

[wise crown]

that was easier than I thought

[hexed oasis]

yup, the modules make it pretty simple

[wise crown]

I thought there weren't conditions to check if the page is using a gallery or not 😅

[hexed oasis]

yea that's already in there... at some point i still want to go get rid of the gallery on all of them, it just doesn't look clean and it's copying all the same sprites from the statboxes for no real benefit

[wise crown]

yeah

[plush rose]

should it be? I've just been following that convention for sprites written by someone (I forgot who) all this time 🥲

[plush rose]

Ooh the map guy

He made those nice maps with borders and all

[wise crown]

Yeah, I check the rc on the old wiki to see who migrated their acc

[plush rose]

In any case, I'll follow a new convention once its been established

[wise crown]

Give our editors a warm and friendly welcome cuz why not :p

[hexed oasis]

the problem with doing image editing before uploading is that it's inconsistent - a bunch of the upscaled sprites have extra padding around them or odd pixel ratios (eg some "pixels" are 4x4, some are 4x3, etc.)

[plush rose]

Yesss it happens, upscaling does weird stuff to sprites

Sometimes

Like random pixels where there shouldn't be any, artefacts and the sort

[hexed oasis]

it's better to just have the actual sprites as they are in-game directly on the wiki, then they can be scaled consistently by the wiki across all of them in code

[plush rose]

Yesyesyes

What about the padding issue tho

[wise crown]

And have them named based on their bestiary names too, moving forward

[hexed oasis]

for the ones listed in the bestiary, yeah

[hexed oasis]

i'd say just upload them as they are - don't add extra padding or crop to remove any, though ik previously the padding has been used to make regular enemy variants sprites appear smaller than the boss variant of the same sprite, though imo that should just be done with a param in whatever template the sprite is being passed into, rather than doing it in image editing

[plush rose]

Without the manually added padding, the sprite image starts looking like this in the infobox and it looks awkward

[plush rose]

Ooooh

[hexed oasis]

(btw by default on the new wiki, we've got all images set to upscale using pixelated rendering, which uses nearest neighbor scaling to keep the pixel ratios consistent https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/image-rendering)

[hexed oasis]

extra padding can be added within the infobox itself if you think they're a bit too tight, but imo i think that looks fine ¯_(ツ)_/¯

tho i prefer more compact themes, so i'm definitely biased toward stuff having less padding overall

[plush rose]

how do you do that btw :0

[hexed oasis]

i've got it on a macro key ¯_(ツ)_/¯ so i can put it anywhere, but discord has a /shrug command to put it at the end of your msg

oh unless you meant the padding xD

that would be a css edit by an admin

tho i guess it could also be done as an inline style in the infobox module by any editor as well

but that's less clean than putting it directly in the sitewide css

[plush rose]

In my case, I prefer things either looking perfectly symmetrical like a square or a nice rectangle, 5:3 ish. To each their own ig clink 🥂

[plush rose]

yes hehe

[plush rose]

Ooh, then it's more work. Nvm then xD

[hexed oasis]

if you wanted it just for yourself, you could go to https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Special:MyPage/common.css

and put something like this in it:

.infobox-image>:not(ul) img {
    padding: 10px;
}

adds a little extra space around the infobox images

[hexed oasis]

imo the overall aspect ratio of the image itself i don't really care, i'm more concerned with the pixel scaling being consistent, keeping a pixel square

[wise crown]

if we're gonna mention vampire survivors in other media (particularly in balatro), how will we do it? on what page (if not a new one), and should we put pics of the face cards in a gallery subsection (something like "In other media")?

e.g. here's how the 1000xresist wiki did it (since their characters also have cards in balatro): they have their own collaborations page https://1000xresist.wiki.gg/wiki/Collaborations#Crossovers

(Not my screenshot btw)

[vale terrace]

easter egg

[wise crown]

yup :p

[cold creek]

got this gem

[wise crown]

vampire soup

[limpid totem]

[wise crown]

poe in 2030 (probably):
: never would've I thought I'd see this day coming, the vampire would die before me, but either way, we're feasting tonight and eating vampire soup!

[cold creek]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-soup-mario-transform-food-gif-17573146

[limpid totem]

*we have survived the vampire! *

[wise crown]

: also, why include him in this silly poker-based game? i'm in it and queen sigma is in it for a reason

: maybe he was never in vampire survivors, he was in balatro afterall

: that marks his first appearance in a game, at least as something playable! he appeared in balatro before appearing in the game he was supposed to appear in (not including the main menu/title screen)!

[plush rose]

the vampire soup then turns Poe into a vampire as a result

oh mio dio situation

[wise crown]

vampire survivors 2: the battle against poe, the garlic vampire

[wise crown]

these aliens look familiar

https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/ECMASlime

[limpid totem]

i wonder why...

[wise crown]

it's all a reference to phaser

[limpid totem]

yeah

[thorn prism]

Does anyone know the answer to this enigma?

[cold creek]

most likely

[wise crown]

the whole wiki deserves a dash of garlic

[wise crown]

@past dew welcome to the wiki 👋

[past dew]

🙂

[plush rose]

hlep

need opinion

on the infobox for enemies

should I include every applicable detail from all variants to each field?

or just the base/primary variants

[hexed oasis]

imo the main infobox should only list things that apply to all variants, or a range covering all variants
so imo the resistances and skills (eg https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Pipeestrello) shouldn't be listed in the main infobox if they would have to be noted like that for only specific variants - leave that for the variant boxes rather than listing it in the main infobox

[plush rose]

ooh yesyes tysm, I'm losing hairs over this simple dilemma, I just needed an external opinion afterall to settle on something

how about the umm

Stat values

Like if enemy's base variant has a movespeed of 100, while its subvariants x, y, z each has their own different movespeeds

[hexed oasis]

i'd just list it as a range, like 100-120

[plush rose]

okiii, got it

my problems seem so funnily simple yet I'm having such a hard time on them, watch me come back asking whether I should use em dashes or semi-colons

[hexed oasis]

just a regular dash, especially if there's a range within an individual variant (like the move speed here https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Moon_Duck)

[wise crown]

Same

[hexed oasis]

the code for the variant statboxes is looking for a regular dash in the stats to extract min/max values, so using an em dash or semicolon would break stuff

[wise crown]

And/or follow what the bestiary says

[plush rose]

i was just joking on that but I'll defn keep that in mind 👀

[hexed oasis]

yea in general i'd say defer to the in-game bestiary - the main infobox should typically just be whatever it says in the bestiary

and then the individual variants get more of the behind-the-scenes details

[plush rose]

how about the enemies where they have stage appearances that aren't included in the in-game bestiary? should I include in the main infobox or nope

[wise crown]

(Don't you mean refer?)

[hexed oasis]

no, defer has a second meaning that isn't "postpone", it's similar to refer but slightly different

[wise crown]

Dunno why i read that word like "differ" 😅

[hexed oasis]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deference

the "superior" in that case is the info given in the in-game bestiary

[wise crown]

Does anybody play Rusty's Retirement and have the new VS update?

[tribal jetty]

vs updated?

[tropic zephyr]

Not yet

See #👑general-announcements

[wintry jewel]

huh

[wise crown]

See #👑general-announcements

[wintry jewel]

yeah idk what you mean by update

oh wait you mean rustys retiremnt got an update to add VS

[tropic zephyr]

Yes

[wise crown]

kinda weird how https://survivors.wiki/w/Sniper?redirect=no was listed as a page in the main namespace, even though it's a redirect
(it's now fixed)

[hexed oasis]

i do btw if there's any info you want on it

[wise crown]

Awesome
How do characters in that game (including that of VS) work over there?

Either way, I'd say it'd probably be enough to mention which characters appear in Rusty's Retirement in trivia
https://vampire.survivors.wiki/w/Poe_Ratcho#In_other_media

[hexed oasis]

they're essentially just reskins of the regular houses https://rustys-retirement.fandom.com/wiki/Buildings#Houses
each house is a different tab of items to add to your farm, for example sonnet unlocks a decorations tab that had crop signs, and you can put those signs on a crop bed to have those type of seeds planted there rather than manually planting
rusty->poe
haiku->antonio
sonnet->poppea
pinion->dommario
forbic->imelda
echo->lama
slate->giovanna
splunk->arca

the only gameplay difference is that the garlic plant is unlocked by default rather than needing to unlock it, and you can toggle on bat swarm spawns, which are similar to vs's bat swarms, but rather than doing hp damage, they'll steal a crop, and the only way to damage them is by having some garlic planted in their path

[wise crown]

@hexed oasis so, would it be correct to mention "X makes an appearance in Rusty's Retirement [...] He/She is a reskin of Y"?

[hexed oasis]

sure

[wise crown]

got it

[wise crown]

@lost dome the official wiki is now 2nd on bing

[lost dome]

Yes indeed!

[wise crown]

as always, (this isn't a tip just for you, but for everyone here), get indie wiki buddy to continue supporting the new wiki (as well as hundreds of other quality wikis)!
https://getindie.wiki

[lost dome]

It's a small victory. As you pointed out in #🧛vs-general , Bing doesn't have a massive userbase.

[wise crown]

and also

for some reason

bing seems to overvalue wikis, based on what i've seen

which, honestly, is the one thing I like about it

[devout echo]

Getting ever closer.

[wise crown]

yeah

meanwhile, when I searched up the wiki on google right now, I can't find it at all, even though it was already indexed AND was ranked 4th or 5th like 1-2 weeks ago

[lost dome]

Yeah the fandom wiki might still get a lot of traction among those who aren't on the Discord server.