🗼final-restriction-release

[spark epoch]

I can make an attempt, but I am not very used to the Hanako rotation. Plus, I don't have S. Shizuko and my NY Haruka only Lv.60 2117.

[lean lark]

its fine, as long as you get the subskill of haruka up it would just be good enough

as for s shizuko I dont know what other alternatives work (I dont have s.shiroko)

oh yeah- you used s.eimi, that checks out

[spark epoch]

I might be able to, but I messed up with Hanako's timing here and there over a few runs. And girls died.
Perhaps you can try and ask some experts in Hanako timing, or just mald until you work out the timing yourself.
Originally, it took me more than 40 resets to work out a rotation for a F97. But I doubt I have the motivation to mald another 40 times to work out the rotation for this comp at the moment.
My apology for not being able to help.

[lean lark]

ah its fine, thank you for your effort, take the rest you needed

I previously followed this team during the first set since it had everything I have in that video, assuming maybe its do-able with the timings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plb1e2FJsCY&t=11s&pp=ygUTZnVyeSBvZiBzZXQgZmxvb3I5Nw%3D%3D

[merry thunder]

Wait do Ako and Hina have a special victory pose together?! THIS IS SO CUTE?!?!!

This helps so much... thank you!!!

[radiant canopy]

i need to update it a bit but yea

[merry thunder]

I think its pretty good now but theres always room for improvement!

[cunning linden]

replacement for kotama bc u don’t want to use kotama since ur alr bringing s.kirino for blocking attacks and has an atk sub

and also frees up special slot

ibuki also has a higher buff & debuff %

[slate stag]

I sleep now

[graceful iris]

LETS GOOO!!!!

[brazen scaffold]

How to beat floor 70

Meed formation and rotation

[manic rover]

I suggest you look for Vuhn channel formation at youtube.

Is there any way to know how many times our support in final restriction release got used by other players ?

[lean gale]

No

Borrows are free so there is no credit distribution from using a borrow or lending one

[manic rover]

Okay, thanks for the info

[uncut panther]

You can only know it by reassign the borrow students. Other than that... There's none

[sacred echo]

myaa how is this for the set?

[spark epoch]

Either you need a repositioner, or you swap the position of D. Hina and S. Hoshino. Otherwise one or more of your major DPS is gonna get ATK downed.

[sacred echo]

oh

Yoshimi is my main

but I'm only at floor 70

[spark epoch]

The leftmost 2 or the rightmost 2 can get def ATK downed by the lightning if you don't repo them with for example S. Shizuko or S. Eimi.

[sacred echo]

Ah the blue aoe thing from the tower gives def down?

I have a good track yuuka (ue40)

[spark epoch]

B. Kazusa and B. Airi should be able to deal quite considerable damage.

[sacred echo]

naruhodoo

[spark epoch]

Or you may simply swap the position of S. Hoshino and D. Hina, heal the right pillar instead of the left one and only have S. Hoshino and D. Ako ATK-downed.

[sacred echo]

ohhh

You dont have to heal both?

[spark epoch]

Anybody within the red circle when the lightning strikes gets atk downed.

[spark epoch]

Sorry, I meant atk downed. My apology for miswording.

[sacred echo]

[spark epoch]

Sorry for causing the confusion. My brain is rotted from malding too much Set lately.

[sacred echo]

It's okay

I'm still learning and the timings are tough like when to refresh hoshino and al lthat

[spark epoch]

When you see the symbol (annotated in yellow circles), you know the students are getting ATK downed. Their damage is reduced by 70% for 40 seconds.

[sacred echo]

oh it's that much

[spark epoch]

For Hoshino timing, you can see the buffs on the pillar as a reference. The pillars count as allies and can be buffed (albeit not of any practical value).

[sacred echo]

I managed to clear 74 like that

[spark epoch]

Congrats!

[sacred echo]

Maybe even 75 tomorrow

[spark epoch]

F75+ has vortex, which may put some more pressure on healing.

[flint heath]

Finally got to 100

I can die in peace now

[regal arrow]

i just want pull kazusaaaa but whyyyy aronaaa!!!

[verbal umbra]

Finally F99 No DHina clear

[hushed sentinel]

Instead of dhina and bkazusa we use f2p unit like ue50 byoshimi and snonomi

🛐

[topaz crown]

Ssg S.Nonomi f2p unit

[faint bough]

[slate stag]

Can't compete

[merry badger]

Hey so can someone help me out here with God?

I'm not gonna call that thing The Fury of Set. That's God.

What I'm confused about is how to fill his groggy meter, what's the deal with the 2 towers that need to be healed, what's with the fluctuating percentage bar, and that's about it

[fast saffron]

is 3 star seimi enough to tank the 3 atg bar attacks?

f106

[merry badger]

I still need help with my questions too

[spark epoch]

Potentially problematic, according to my calculation.

I use the stats from my team to calculate.

With:
B. Yoshimi HP: 47,612
HP from stat transfer: 7,250
DEF from stat transfer: 223

Assume:
O. Shigure heals: 9,554 per tick
S. Eimi healing: 9,794 at 3-star; 10,763 at 4-star; 13,209 at UE30

When the boss attacks with the electricity wall (Bursting Radiance) on F106, the damage that Yoshimi receives is:

27,140 × 4.8 × 1.8 × 0.5 × 0.8343 = 97,817

The attack lasts 8.5 seconds, so you can guarantee 2 ticks of O. Shigure heals.

Also, we assume no Kokona basic, no O. Shigure basic, and no extra healing tick during the time.
Also, we assume no residual shield before the attack.

With a 3-star S. Eimi, you get:

47,612 + 7,250 + 9,794 × 1.97 + 9,554 × 2 = 93,264

which is less than the damage that Yoshimi is going to receive. So she won't survive the attack.

With a 4-star S. Eimi, you get:

47,612 + 7,250 + 10,763 × 1.97 + 9,554 × 2 = 95,173

which is still less than 97,817.

However, with a UE30 S. Eimi, you get:

47,612 + 7,250 + 13,209 × 1.97 + 9,554 × 2 = 99,991

which is greater than 97,817, so that Yoshimi can survive, provided she was in full health prior to the attack.

Of course, if your O. Shigure has LB on healing and a higher bond, the number would be different. You can calculate the numbers yourself with stats from your own team.

If you are running Hanako, however, you would need less investment on S. Eimi, as Hanako's healing is more bursted and her sub-skill buffs S. Eimi's shield.

[uncut panther]

Rather than fill, decrease is a better word for its groggy. To decrease it you basically just need to attack. When it reach 0, blue thunder ball appear and your dmg deal increase 30% (30s).

And for tower, simply say you need to heal it to remove the yellow debuff on it, otherwise the thunder will strike your students (and the students within area of thunderstrike would get atk down debuff)

[faint bough]

#🗼final-restriction-release message
#🗼final-restriction-release message
Check out these guide in the pins

[celest spindle]

You heal the tower so your dps doesn't get hit by it
it strike 2 tower, if the tower not fully heal to cleanse debuff, the next strike will aim your unit, and cause that nasty Atk debuff

Tldr: Piority for Set
Maintain your buff
Heal the tower every time it got striked
Pops the Red ball on your dps
At ATG3 have good skill cycle and timing cus you need its

[merry badger]

So I heal the towers after lightning strike it?

[frosty iron]

Yes

[slow sage]

Does someone have homework for this comp

I'm having skill issue with either not enough damage or dying in atg3

[spark epoch]

How much damage are you lacking? Or which attack do you usually die of in ATG3?

[spark epoch]

I can find a video with D. Hina replacing your Atsuko. Not sure whether you are interested and whether you have D. Hina raised.

[slow sage]

i'm not really dying in consistent places since i'm playing by ear (poorly) mostly

closest i've gotten was ~9m left

I've tried dhina before but I had issues where you can't heal the team and shoshi at the same time with hanako so shoshi just ends up dying

[spark epoch]

D. Hina can help a lot with your DPS issue. If you are interested in making another attempt with a reference, check out this video: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1hcyZYeEqq

Well, one potential issue is that the referenced video has a UE50 S. Hoshino and your S. Hoshino is 4-star. Not sure how much difference it would make.

[spark epoch]

Is Nagisa's healing crucial for your run? If not, you can bring S. Shizuko or S. Eimi to group the girls together, thus being able to heal everybody with Hanako. And use D. Hina to pop the red orb instead.

[slow sage]

yoshimi died but the pause menu seem to think she still has health

[spark epoch]

I've got this bug a couple of times as well.

[spark epoch]

Ah Yoshimi died of the vortex.

[native ocean]

healed after dying

[spark epoch]

Your Hanako timing looks a bit problematic.
Perhaps try timing your Hanako healing at around 01:37 and 01:22.

[placid marlin]

F99 clears tho

[spark epoch]

Isn't the third one a cheater.

[placid marlin]

[uncut lodge]

does d.ako need t9 gears to survive?

[spark epoch]

My D. Ako is M774 and T8T9T8 to somewhat reliably survive F99 and F100.

[uncut lodge]

👌

[alpine frost]

I need to borrow a UE50 B Yoshimi, on global

[weary quest]

😭 😭😭😭😭😭

whyyyyyyyy

[weary quest]

Ya ?

Sr but the guy am borrowed is out of slot

[hasty quartz]

youre forgetting something
theres the double-tick tech if you rotate fast enough which offers an extra tick for oshi

[storm karma]

can you replay lower floor that you have cleared?

[native ocean]

yea

no repeatable reward tho

[acoustic fog]

3rd one serika carry lol

[acoustic fog]

This happened to me too I was also having lack of damage.
Make sure when the red ball spawns use you nagisa on the ball and then use d.hina to strike the ball down.
Also if u have s.shiroko make sure to apply the debuff before it expires.

[spark epoch]

That would be triple-tick from O. Shigure? What do you mean by tick, healing tick or O. Shigure EX?
The Bursting Radiance in ATG3 lasts for 8.5 seconds. You can time it very precisely to get the healing tick at 0.2s, 4.2s, and 8.2s, which is hard. Another method is to throw another O. Shigure after the early second healing tick to earn another healing tick, which is much easier.
That's why I stated "we assume... no extra healing tick during the time" and "potentially problematic".

[weary quest]

I regreted not having pull for s shiroko

After 2 mins to 1 mins, i mainly focus on healing

So i use all EX that has small cost

[spark epoch]

Perhaps optimising your rotation? You should be able to clear more HP.

[spark epoch]

You should be able to slot in a B. Yoshimi EX during ATG3 if you have cost regen.

[radiant canopy]

this is peak

[spark epoch]

Ah, died of the final bursting radiance.

[radiant canopy]

mistimed my skawa and hanako

im doing like 10m less damage than i'm supposed to at this point in the run and it's a bit worrying

but maybe it's fine

[spark epoch]

Yeah, 35M looks clearable if D. Ako survived.

[radiant canopy]

the run im looking at finishes with 7 seconds left on the clock

so i might be fine

i could also borrow a ue50 s.roko

since im not borrowing anyone rn

[mellow edge]

My f104 hw replaced Kotoma with Nagisa. others same.

[radiant canopy]

not sure if it would make a meaningful difference

[radiant canopy]

does it delete the red orb with nagisa + s.roko instead of d.hina?

to have more d.hina AAs

[mellow edge]

yes. first two red orb by dhina, and rest of them with nagisa + s.roko

[radiant canopy]

nagisa sub also has red effectiveness iirc

[spark epoch]

Or borrow an S. Eimi for ATK speed buffs, but one cost more expensive, though. And it may break your rotation when B. Yoshimi fires basic at different times and you drop the shield and cancel it.

[spark epoch]

It is doable.

[mellow edge]

I finished f104 with 20 seconds left

[radiant canopy]

hmm

ue50 nagisa i assume?

[mellow edge]

yes but not really matters.

[radiant canopy]

is her healing dealbreaking? my nagisa is ue30

[spark epoch]

Survival is more critical as long as you have enough DPS.

[spark epoch]

Nagisa can already heal a lot, especially since both Yoshimi and Kazusa are from Trinity.

[radiant canopy]

nagisa's discrimination

imagine they make a mika variant with a healing NS and it doesnt work on gehenna students

[spark epoch]

Remove some HP from Gehenna students and heal a lot for Trinity students.

[mellow edge]

i know the special interactions with mika. but doesnt work on gehenna students?

[radiant canopy]

is there a vid you followed?

or did you just freestyle it

[mellow edge]

https://youtu.be/tEOGWsYzaAQ?si=PrHx32nXvNKzhRBV

[radiant canopy]

3* b.kazusa, nice

i just pulled to get her to ue30

its ok i love kazusa

[spark epoch]

Wow, a rare Kotama-less clear.

[mellow edge]

please note it is a later version as he already had T9 watches

[radiant canopy]

i assume that will affect kokona proc?

[mellow edge]

but still doable in my case

[mellow edge]

not really. my coconut even made earlier procs than him

[spark epoch]

And 2% more DPS for B. Yoshimi, presumably.

[radiant canopy]

man's so focused he keeps going even after the boss is already dead

ssg

[mellow edge]

ssg

[radiant canopy]

i'm doing comparable damage so far, only about 4 mil off at 2:35

[hushed sentinel]

[radiant canopy]

oh bruh

[fringe sigil]

yoshimi is very soft

[mellow edge]

emmm that's a little early

[radiant canopy]

her sprite looks soft

[spark epoch]

The 2:02 attack hurts.

[hushed sentinel]

I can see that from her alt art

[radiant canopy]

i might go back to my original comp, it felt more consistent in terms of heal/survivability

i just messed up the timings that one time

[radiant canopy]

feels like bond and ue50 iwak diff

[zinc rock]

25mil hp left floor 97, only one that ever get lightning debuff is atsuko,
destroy ball with minori, full turtle mode (no buff, full survival himari, shizuko, atsuko, kokona, shigure) around 1min40 until spear

I dont get why i do so little dmg.. i dont use shizuko a lot so i assume my uptime shouldnt be utter shit
theres no way the loss of 25mil come from hina not being UE50

[celest spindle]

Do you have the hw you copied
Your comp lacking Aoe buffer though

[zinc rock]

I didnt really copy anything, im just testing a lot cause its either lack of damage or lack of survivability

not having a built hanako makes surviving the death zone very hard...

[weary quest]

Cant

I use every small cost EX to rotate to hanako and barely survive

I have to use hanako + s shizuko on every seth skill

So i dont have enough cost to use yoshimi even d ako

[radiant canopy]

f102, yoshimi and kokona just straight-up died after ATG 3

hina and kazusa managed to finish

[spark epoch]

Are you repositioning too much or staying underbuffed for too long?

This is the damage graph for my F97 clear.

Note that I also left my Yoshimi without her self buff for like ~40 seconds during ATG3 because I was too busy healing and shielding and surviving.
But your D. Hina and B. Kazusa are also doing significantly less damage.
My B. Kazusa is UE30, but that should only be 30% more DPS from a 3-star B. Kazusa.

[spark epoch]

A maxed-out Hanako should be enough if the timing is correct, provided that the girls are in decent health prior to the attack.

B. Yoshimi generally has ~47000 HP.
Hanako gives ~12400 healing per tick.
The 01:52 attack on F100, for example, deals ~83000 damage to Yoshimi.
5 ticks of Hanako's healing already provide 62000 HP to Yoshimi.

Therefore you may not need both Hanako and S. Shizuko every time.

[zinc rock]

I dont reposition a lot, I'd say the biggest problem is the lack of AOE buff with that teamcomp. I actually managed to clear 97 by adding more AOE buffer and building minori to kill the orb letting me drop DHina

my biggest problem was survival but I found an identical teamcomp with SShiroko letting me copy the heal timing around ~1:40

[spark epoch]

85M damage from Yoshimi

[zinc rock]

I had to look at all my special lmaooo they all have different effect (crit dmg, ATK, red efficiency and cost gen)

and that was with 0.666s left on the clock

3star kazusa weakk

[spark epoch]

A clear is a clear. Congrats!

[zinc rock]

thanks! I actually posted it here but it kinda bugged out so I didn't post again until now

[spark epoch]

I am also thinking about bringing NY Haruka for cost regen.

I don't have S. Shiroko.

Although that means I'll have to rework my rotation from scratch again.

[zinc rock]

Yeah NY Haruka is fine but she pale compared to SShiroko where u can just debuff the boss and rotate faster
Cant wait to get her so I wont mald 97 anymore. Im still in awe I had way more trouble with red than blue set

[spark epoch]

I was able to clear F99 without any cost regen, but still stuck on F100, as my survival over buff strategy during ATG3 resulted in a 6M HP deficit when the time ran out.

[zinc rock]

I cant even imagine not running cost regen, I tried once and I thought it was too painful to try again

[spark epoch]

It was agony.

[placid marlin]

F99 Byoshi Bairi dual dps cleared

[spark epoch]

F100 cleared. No S. Shiroko, no Himari.
Mission completed for this season.

[boreal atlas]

[chrome chasm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1285248917021396994.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[celest spindle]

Damn bKat ue30

[terse wharf]

Looking at some hw rn, which team should I try using to beat set?

[desert cave]

i think former is gonna output more dmg quicker.

though requires s.shiz timings

[halcyon moss]

sshiz is much comfier in general

[terse wharf]

S.Shizu more comfy than Atsuko?

[halcyon moss]

for me at least

[terse wharf]

Okay

Thanks Shin

[tardy fractal]

Does dhina ex deal any significant dmg, since I'm considering using minori or nagisa to deal with orb if it doesnt

[native ocean]

As far as u are not letting her in idle stance for too long

u can use dhina to break orb

[tardy fractal]

I'm currently using her to do that, but I'm thinking it might be better to bring nagisa to break orb instead since she's only 3 cost

[native ocean]

Cuz normally for Nagisa u want it on boss, then if u also bring s.rocco u can consider using Nagi(to both boss and orb)+Srocco (to break for team)

[tardy fractal]

Is nagisa unable to break orb by herself?

[native ocean]

Depends on floor, she can

[tardy fractal]

F77

[native ocean]

Req enough build ofc

[tardy fractal]

3*

I'll try it later, I still need someone to borrow a byoshi from

[native ocean]

Idk if u will make it with *3

But as we mentioned earlier

Red team doesn't rl need much rotation anyway since there few unit with long skill duration, so spending more cost still acceptable rather than overflowing

[verbal umbra]

F100 cleared

I have one if you're still searching

ARZFSJLW, auto accept is on

[weary quest]

holy fk shiet

💀 💀

idk if i can believe in my eyes

[spark epoch]

You can believe in your eyes.

[spark epoch]

The rotation and timing constraint for this comp is a living hell.

[weary quest]

😮‍💨

i cant imagine the amount of time i have to spend to beat f100

[placid marlin]

My avg best with the same comp is 2m dmg away from clearing

With T9 gears dropped tmr and some bit of lucks

F100 should still be doable

[robust fjord]

f100 done

I had a really good run that would've been few sec shorter

but eh

[robust fjord]

me cleared using ur yoshimi ssg

[celest spindle]

My f100 fail run, Set left with 7m to spare (bKat dead before the groggy)
And my bKat haven't max build

[spark epoch]

Glad that my Yoshimi helps. Congrats on the F100 clear!

[robust fjord]

[graceful cradle]

2 of my students died

and the display show that they are still alive

cool

ITS POSSIBLE TO DO F97 WITHOUT SSHIROKO CHAT

but the thing is my student keep dying

1 healer is not enough holy moly

[native ocean]

yes

u need timing

[graceful cradle]

i dont even reach the last attack yet

and they start dying already

😭😭

[spark epoch]

Try timing your Hanako healing at around 01:37 and 01:22.

And throwing S. Shizuko when convenient.

[celest spindle]

If you are confident about timing Hanako is enough for f100

[zinc rock]

crazy

[native ocean]

Yea

The thing is likely u can skip some heal instead i think

Since f100 has double thunder strike

[spark epoch]

[humble trail]

You guys think I can do F104? ~21s to spare on F100. Survivability seemed fine enough.

[spark epoch]

You can make an attempt and see how it goes.
Note that on F100+, the difficulty is increasing rapidly.
F104 has 18M (14%) more HP and 13% more ATK than F100.

[humble trail]

I might actually need to tigthen my run asf then...

F100 felt kinda slacc tbh, pretty much first try.

[spark epoch]

Pretty much first try

Strong!

When I started tackling F100, I struggled a lot. After some extensive trial and error, I had to rework my strategy to be able to clear it.

[humble trail]

Yoshimi dying here. I'll need to either adjust strat (Hanako timing) or go lower than F104 lol.

[spark epoch]

Perhaps you can go up one floor at a time to grasp a better instinct for the survival and DPS required.
Or borrow my B. Yoshimi with LB on HP and ATK.

[humble trail]

I do have a Yoshimi fan as a friend with a 100% maxed one (B50, ATK+25/HP+25, etc.).

I unfortunately used her on F100 lol. I'll prob just wait until the borrow is back up tomorrow. Seems smarter haha

Btw, F100 first try was copying homework rota.

Thx for the kind offer though. 🤝

Unless you got space in friend list, then let's go lol, but I assumed not.

[spark epoch]

I've seen somebody clear F109 with a fully maxed-out Yoshimi. That's an impressive clear.

[humble trail]

[spark epoch]

I believe you already have me on your friend list.

[humble trail]

Well, that's true lmao.

Lemme double check something, I'll sort by hp

[spark epoch]

My Yoshimi should have only 574 less HP than a B50 LB+25HP one.

[humble trail]

Haha! Yes, we're friends lol. Well, I'll give yours a spin! Yours on the left, clearly the superior Yoshimi to the borrow I had used.

Can't see HP on locked borrow though

47, on the right was a club-mate (not the maxxed one)

I wanted to tell him: I did F104 with your Yoshimi, but it looks like it wasn't meant to be.

[spark epoch]

A B50 HP+25 Yoshimi should have 48,821 HP; mine's B24 HP+25 with 48,248 HP.

[humble trail]

Yeah, yours is awesome, thx. I do have a Sakurako for Blue, but she's just UE50 MMM7 B20. She cleared F100 comfy though.

I'll lend her out for F100s next season.

[spark epoch]

I'll need to build my own healer if I wanna attempt higher floors of the blue Set.
My Hanako is only UE30 3477.
I could only clear F74 last season.

[humble trail]

What do you use on red?

Mine was ue40 on blue, she ue50 now. Ta coins ftw. Hanako

A borrow I see

[spark epoch]

I borrow an O. Shigure and bring my own DPS.

[humble trail]

I hadn't realized lol

My Blue borrow is S.Izuna

[spark epoch]

I borrowed a Sakurako and brought my own Umika as DPS. The rotation was quite complex with this setup.

[humble trail]

Looks complicated yeah. I've seen high floor clears with setups like that iirc

[spark epoch]

Yeah, there's an S1 F106 clear that runs triple DPS (Sakurako, Umika, and C. Utaha) and without NY Kayoko. It's a very brute-force approach, indeed.

[humble trail]

So, I did F101, but F103/104 would required a different strat.

There's an S.Eimi I'm building. Pretty sure I can do something with that for F104. I really want that Secret Tech Note!

Edit: F, it's a Tech Sheet, not Note...

[spark epoch]

Congrats on clearing F101!

I am also running S. Eimi, but she's only 3-star M77M at the moment.

[humble trail]

Mine'll be 3-star M7M7, maybe M7MM.

I was building her for Hiero Tor and Goz Tor.

Damage breakdown. UE40 B.Kazu with M7M7 doing work tbh.

[spark epoch]

I think I might be able to do F101 or F102 as well. But I don't think I can tackle higher floors without S. Shiroko.

[humble trail]

Ouch yeah that'd hurt for 101+ I imagine.

Rlly good work on F100 despire no Roko

[spark epoch]

I brought a UE30 MMMM B. Kazusa to F100; the damage graph looks like this:

[humble trail]

Must by 7 basic/sub hurting me lol. Rlly out of Secret Notes

She might be a bit higher than D.Hina then.

tbf, my D.Hina is Atk+25

[spark epoch]

My Kotama is M117. Perhaps I can milk more damage once I max Kotama's sub.

[humble trail]

[spark epoch]

My issue with DPS is that, without cost regen from S. Shiroko, I cannot afford to use Yoshimi's EX during ATG3. This results in a ~40s self-buff downtime, which hurts DPS a lot.

[spark epoch]

I saw someone getting a UE50 MMMM B. Kazusa to deal ~38M damage on higher floors. So B. Kazusa should have a lot of potential with her DPS.

[humble trail]

Especially here. UE50 is kinda big with SS mood. Her UE40 is effectiveness, she's a very strong unit here.

It's just, 3 star can do F100, so that's what most ppl use if they can't afford to borrow Kazusa.

[regal rune]

With next set do we get the HP nerf or whatever?

[tropic sky]

it's already been nerfed
lower floors now are way easier than in S1

[regal rune]

Oh just that red is much heftier by default?

[regal rune]

Well anyways, I should do better now that I only have to borrow Sakurako and have my own Kokona…I hope

[native ocean]

Yea, Red has more HP despite of being nerfed

And it's only till 80 anyway iirc, so if u do 90+ anyway it won't be effect thing

Was it 84

[onyx salmon]

I finally cleared 67

[placid marlin]

I FREAKING PULLED IT OFF

CLEARED

No UE Atsuko Kokona Dako

[spark epoch]

Congrats!

[spark epoch]

Impressive double DPS clear with B. Airi!

[placid marlin]

T9 pin really clutched it

[spark epoch]

Although I've always been reluctant to give B. Airi T9 hairpin: The T8 hairpin looks more like a mint colour hairpin.

[robust fjord]

Ssg maltrite

[wide orbit]

Look like Hina EX targeting cursor can't display if it intersects with the orb when it moves from the bottom of the screen

That's just frusrating

[ruby fjord]

Who is like the best DPS to borrow for Set? D.Hina or S.Hoshino?

[tropic sky]

Set has massive damage reduction against EX skills so DHina isn't at her best (still usable tho)
SHoshino isn't a DPS
the best DPS borrow for red Set is BYoshimi

[wide orbit]

B Yoshimi

[ruby fjord]

My bad yeah, forgot S.Hoshino isn't DPS lol

[halcyon flower]

Just asking, how far can I get for just *3 B.Yoshimi?

[dense perch]

Man

why is it so hard to keep fricking everyone alive

[spark epoch]

You need to time your healings. I have a UE30 3477 Hanako, which was good until ~F80, albeit with a shielder.

[dense perch]

like when

i geniuenly have no more idea what am i doing at this point

im not good with memory so i mostly forgot what to do either

[dull eagle]

I just throw heal and buffs when they run out lmao idk what I'm doing either when doing Set

[lyric atlas]

For this F66, you mostly use hanako heal when your student is like 50% left

[celest spindle]

man if you have problem at f66 then higher floor gonna bald you

You have all the core Set unit bro

[dense perch]

funny because they're alwys on 50% or below for the entire fight

[dense perch]

i just want the books, thats it

[celest spindle]

You just use the wrong skill cycle during ATG 3
I do f100 and the timing is more strict (yes my only heal is Hanako)

[dense perch]

tbf i dont even remember whats the skill cycle anymore

it felt like i just should spam random skills and hope it works

i just couldnt find any consistent pattern to do it

[celest spindle]

I have skill rotation if you need

[dull eagle]

anyone knows a team without D.Ako?

Atleast 74 is enough lmao

I managed on blue just throwing random bs

[dense perch]

sure but i dont think i can follow it tbh

[celest spindle]

Red set don"t have any visual indicator for ez skill timing(good luck checking by icon)
My blue set other hand, i make my own skill cycle by using nyAkari

[hushed sentinel]

Use Xerina

A bit worse but she can work

[dull eagle]

Too squishy atm.

[celest spindle]

T9 hairpin then

[dull eagle]

Can't up her gear. Don't have the balls

[dense perch]

funny cuz i cant pay any attention to anything aside from the battles

its just a me thing but i just cant keep up with either the time or whatever pop ups

[torpid basin]

my eyes are glued to the cost bar

[dense perch]

same

[dull eagle]

This is what I randomly cooked up

[torpid basin]

[dull eagle]

Same

[dense perch]

im more worried about the cost than the time limit

[torpid basin]

uh you don't really need ny fuuka or s izuna

[dull eagle]

Only to get surprised the raid ends way too fast.

[dense perch]

Lmao true

i love it when i was about to use a student skill but the battle suddenly over

[dull eagle]

😂

[dense perch]

imma record some fos gameplay so that yall can help me more than just letting me yap for more longer

[dull eagle]

Who can replace them then

[celest spindle]

Yeah

[torpid basin]

well I would suggest d ako or x serina ideally

[celest spindle]

What floor your are doing?

[torpid basin]

as for ny fuuka, do you have nagisa?

[dull eagle]

Nothing more depression when all you see is that you're missing D.Ako

[dull eagle]

Yeah. UE30

[torpid basin]

if you really want, you can try OG ako, and timing ako ex to b yoshimi basic

oh yea use nagisa

[dull eagle]

Gonna wait for the next event to get C.Serina hairpin to T9

[torpid basin]

ye that's fair

[dull eagle]

Hopefully that event has the balls for it

[torpid basin]

you are buying balls from credit shop right?

[celest spindle]

You have 200m credit can paid some daily ball tax

[dull eagle]

Yeah only since last month.

[celest spindle]

[dull eagle]

I was creditless for years

[torpid basin]

yea once you run out of balls it hurts way more than other resources

all you got is sora shop and event shops

[dull eagle]

We definitely need more ways to get them

I only got that much credit 3 months ago.

[torpid basin]

would be neat, but they clearly want us to use credit for balls

[dull eagle]

So I was not spending them on the balls

[torpid basin]

since they keep adding more balls to the credit shop

[dense perch]

wow ok there discord, too big you say

[dull eagle]

Gotta buy nitro lmao

[dense perch]

me when no money

[native ocean]

Xerina it

[dull eagle]

Too squishy. Gonna wait for the next event to get more balls

[native ocean]

[dull eagle]

Hairpin and helmet are trash

[native ocean]

The problem for me was the lacking of dmg when using her

Cuz DAko actually also contributing some dmg

[dull eagle]

She's better suited to yellow cause she adds yellow effectiveness

[torpid basin]

Yes but not really. Since the yellow effectiveness buff is pretty small

[dull eagle]

Yeah raid gotta be longer for you to benefit

[torpid basin]

Yea it would take like 10 mins to fully stack up with x Hanae and x serina

Of course they can just launch more Christmas students and fix that

[dull eagle]

That better be grand assault because if that raid becomes TA I'd lose my mind

[torpid basin]

Well it’s probably gonna be this new mode if anything

[dense perch]

(1/2) cuz the file is too big apperently

[dull eagle]

What's the max file size for this server

50MB?

[dense perch]

100mb i belive

since its lvl 3

[torpid basin]

Anyways I’m waiting for x mine who will solve all the issues of stacking Christmas stacks

[hushed sentinel]

Hairpin is good for +150 crit smh

[dull eagle]

Oh I can send a few with that. Gotta compress it so much you're basically watching 360p tho lmao

[dense perch]

(2/2)

[dense perch]

i record it at 720p

[dull eagle]

I meant serina's current helmet and hairpin are trash

[dense perch]

ok now all sent

[hushed sentinel]

Oh

[dull eagle]

Definitely got compressed by discord

[dense perch]

yall can see how badly i am playing this mode

[dense perch]

it is

that feature is always on and somehow cannot turned off

[dull eagle]

Isn't it part of the image setting

[dense perch]

yes, but it does nothing

[dull eagle]

I'm bad at everything in this game

[dense perch]

hey, you aint the only one

but yeah, as you can see on the video

i suck

[spark epoch]

For example, 02:58, 02:32, 02:20, etc., when the boss initiates attacks.
Or, as other sensei recommended, just heal them when they are in poor health.
Who are you borrowing, by the way? With a UE50 max B. Yoshimi, you should be able to finish it off in 150 seconds.

[dense perch]

i geniuenly dont know what to do

[dull eagle]

That's too much HP left. Mine is usually around 10M.

[dense perch]

funnily enough that run got further than usual

i usually ended with like 28m hp left

that video is like 24m left

[spark epoch]

You may consider bringing a shielder or placing S. Hoshino at the rightmost position and healing the rest of the girls with Hanako.

[dense perch]

4* B.Kazusa

no one is borrowing their max yoshimi

only 3*, and 4

[dense perch]

wdym shielder?

[dull eagle]

You can clear that faster def. You have the core units tho idk the skill cycle when D.Ako is used cause I don't have that

[spark epoch]

S. Shizuko, S. Eimi, or Kaede.

[dull eagle]

A tank I believe

[dense perch]

i dont have any except kaede

[dull eagle]

Ohhhh I misunderstood that

[dense perch]

and i dont want to build her either

[dull eagle]

I actually forgot shield exists

[dense perch]

hanako is already a stretch to build since once i got O.shigure i wanna replace her

i find O.shigure more consistent with the healing

[dull eagle]

Is she fine just 3* tho? I benched her cause my Hanako is UE50.

[dense perch]

my hanako is like UE30

or this basically

[dull eagle]

I see

Too weak. No wonder your team died at the last minute

[dense perch]

Meh i dont havr any other option anyway

O.nodoka is def a not use in this mode

i just wish i had O.shigure

[dull eagle]

Oh yeah guys should I bother maxing basic and enchanted on c.serina

[spark epoch]

Actually, his Hanako isn't that weak. I ran a Lv.87 UE30 3477 Hanako on F79, and everybody survived. I borrow an O. Shigure for higher floors.

[dense perch]

huh... intresting

[spark epoch]

You may want to bond her and equip her T2 bond gear.

[dull eagle]

Watching his run seems like it's just the timing if that's the case.

[dense perch]

thats what i've been trying to do

[dull eagle]

I just heal them mfs when I see the big attacks

[dense perch]

im bad at timing despite im being a god a certain game that requires alot of timing input

[dull eagle]

sounds like a rhythm game

[dense perch]

Cube jumping game

[dull eagle]

I hate that

[dense perch]

I play GD and i already beat an extreme demon so yeah

it just doesnt transfer my timing skill on that game to BA

since its a completely different types of game

Man, i wish im just as good in GD as i do with BA in timings

[dull eagle]

Ngl think your issue is just not knowing the attack patterns. I'm the same lol but I just learn through sheer brute force restarting 69 times

[dense perch]

i just geniuenly dont have a sense of timing in this game

[dense perch]

isnt his attack just some lightning bolts, more light bolts but more wider, and that last spear attack thats kinda scary

[dull eagle]

Do you use the slow down when you're selecting a skill? That helps a ton

[dense perch]

thats all i remeber

[dense perch]

only in certain case

[dull eagle]

You definitely need to use that often.

[dense perch]

but its not like i could just use them frequently, it kinda ruins the flow

pausing the game is like the only option to get some timings right, even then i always forgot that pausing is a thing

[dull eagle]

Especially with this example, he gave a few times to use skills, usually down to milliseconds even

[dense perch]

im not gonna even try the timer timings lol

[dull eagle]

Ngl pausing is worse

[dense perch]

i barely look at the time

[dull eagle]

Basing it on cost and timing is basically the same. Like if you see cost is at 8 on 2:58 for example.

[dense perch]

no?

[dull eagle]

I did use that before I got used to using the time along with a few friends.

[celest spindle]

You just know after lighting cage at ATG3 then you need heal every of Set Atk

[dense perch]

tbh thats me kinda panicking, i dont even remember that lol

[celest spindle]

At lower floor you need 1~2 heal before ATG 3

[dense perch]

in that ending of the fight, i just use random skill and keeps the remaining students alive

[dull eagle]

Just restart if someone died

[dense perch]

then it would be restart every 60 sec probably

[celest spindle]

Wth

[dense perch]

the ones who died first is either Dako, kokona or Bkazusa

[dull eagle]

You can still go if it's a healer like last minute but any buff or DPS dying is an instant restart.

[celest spindle]

Then maybe you need more t9 hairpin

[dull eagle]

Yeah

I made my Kokona UE30 because of Set lmao.

[celest spindle]

But i think cus skill issue more than gear issue

[dense perch]

its all issue lol at this point

build issue, gear issue, timing issue, reading issue, memory issue, and just not good at anything issue

[celest spindle]

My kokona still t8 ue30 though

[dull eagle]

I was this but I just heal on every attack past 1 minute 😂

[spark epoch]

@dense perch Here is a demonstration of what I mean by placing Hoshino at the rightmost and healing other girls with Hanako. I just recorded a run on F66 real quick.

[dense perch]

ig i can try that

[celest spindle]

Yeah hoshino don't need ex heal to survive

[dense perch]

but idk if i can even do it properly lol

[dull eagle]

Big ahh screen

[dense perch]

aiming is hard, and my thumb is massive af

i hope i didnt miss the hanako heals again

[dull eagle]

Goodluck

[celest spindle]

Why you heal at 3 min bro

Just use nahisa/sRoko at Set for def reduction if you have spare cost

[dull eagle]

What's the time when using Yoshimi EX

I just use hers whenever it appears after basic

[celest spindle]

[dull eagle]

[spark epoch]

Well, I don't know. I just felt I needed to demonstrate to Phen that he can place Hoshino to the rightmost and heal the rest of the girls with Hanako.

[celest spindle]

Yeah shoshino pretty tank

f100 don't give any ex heal and she still survived

[dull eagle]

Is a shielder really needed

74 atleast

[celest spindle]

For f99 below don't even need it if you know what you doing

Hanako is more than enough

[spark epoch]

Yeah, my rotation on F100 is like... if I get my healing and shielding 0.2s off, I'm doomed.

[celest spindle]

Source i clear f99

F100 from the mock i have some issues but pretty sure hanako can heal Enough

[spark epoch]

But if you run the O. Shigure comp, perhaps bring a shielder for F85+.

Hanako's healing is more burst than O. Shigure.

[celest spindle]

Just need sooner timing on burst atk and slower on lighting cage atk

[dull eagle]

If Serina still dies after spending this much for balls 💢

[celest spindle]

Bet

[dense perch]

That... worked a bit well than i expected

should i just go UE40 my yoshimi?

tho Dako once again died first

[spark epoch]

I tested again and confirmed that the comp can clear it without Hanako's EX on F66, and everybody survived.

[celest spindle]

Just borrow bYoshi

[celest spindle]

Yeah at atg3 f66 atk just a bit more than normal atk f100

15k+80% vs 23k base

[dense perch]

sure...

[spark epoch]

Only if you plan to do higher floors of the red Set or you are a Yoshimi fan.
You can try to find a UE50 MMMM B. Yoshimi borrow in https://discord.com/channels/890474004094263357/1108594770332373143.

[celest spindle]

Find better friend/club then

[dense perch]

[celest spindle]

Can't be worse than KR, TW server

[dense perch]

even if borrow byoshimi, who the hell should i replace Bkazusa with?

[spark epoch]

With a maxed B. Yoshimi, you can finish it off before entering ATG3 on F66 and without any Hanako EX.

[celest spindle]

When pps have different language to communicate

[dense perch]

actually, im just gonna go with f67 now thats possible since i just want the books

[dull eagle]

What server are you on

[dense perch]

Asia

[celest spindle]

With that team you can do f87 es

But that depends on you will to mald

[dense perch]

depends

but then again

i just want the books

thats all i care

i think after this red fos, im just gonna settle at this floor for future ref set untill my team is more properly build

[spark epoch]

You can even replace B. Kazusa with nothing and still clear it. B. Yoshimi is very powerful.

[celest spindle]

I have survived the unnefr blue set so it a ez f100 for me

[dull eagle]

This good? Idk who to change Atsuko with tho

[dense perch]

Thats why im considering to just UE40 my byoshimi instead

Since Byoshimi is going to be the main dps for red set

[dull eagle]

Just borrow her. B.Yoshimi has S+ mood.

Meaning more damage.

[dense perch]

no one is borrowing

[dull eagle]

You're on Asia. You can easily find people in our server.

[dense perch]

comvincing them is the hardest part for me since im not good at asking people

[dull eagle]

Bruh

I would let you if mine is built lol

[celest spindle]

Have you join rabbit bunker

[dense perch]

no?

[celest spindle]

Discord

[dense perch]

i dont even know whats that

[dull eagle]

Just ask in the find friend channel. Even on the raid one is fine

[celest spindle]

There are a lot of whel in that server discord

[dense perch]

that sounds like a nightmare to me lol

[dull eagle]

No convincing needed

I may not be new to this server but I literally only became active here because I needed to borrow a Reisa back on Greg GA

[dense perch]

i only active here cuz i used to be very active on #🔰gameplay-help that is untill i got kicked

now im just lurking and just ask

[dull eagle]

Why did you get kicked? I mean you got to join again tho.

[dense perch]

well its not like im not allowed to chat there anymore

but apperently i've done some damage

thats not helping anyone

cuz i like to help new players there and answer their question

[dull eagle]

I mean same but is that why you don't feel like asking for help now?

[dense perch]

Not really, im always been a socially akward guy from the beginning. im just too shy to ask for question or help is just cuz its a me thing

[dull eagle]

I see.

[dense perch]

anyway that aside

seriously, even without bkazusa

who am i replacing her with?

[dull eagle]

I'm lost too. I have Atsuko on my team but since Hanako and Kokona is enough she feels overkill to have

[dense perch]

i dont have atsuko lol

and its so painful not having one

ig i'll just use Koharu

i need more heal

[dull eagle]

My team is from blue set. I just changed a few

[celest spindle]

Nah unless you want tmt kurokage she not that needed

[dense perch]

i want to soon

just not now but having her now would be nice

[dull eagle]

Who can replace that girl with

[dense perch]

uh...

bad news

it doesnt work

[dull eagle]

Wait why do you have koharu

[dense perch]

cuz why not

i need more heals

i dont have atsuko

so i use koharu

and not having bkazusa in the team makes it harder

i barely gotten below 15m with anyone alive

[dull eagle]

I'll just use B.Airi as replacement for Atsuko

[dense perch]

wow, byoshimi died again

[dull eagle]

Airi will die fr

[dull eagle]

Try following what Kanon did

[dense perch]

which one

[dull eagle]

This

[dense perch]

NOOOOOO THAT WAS SO CLOSE

[celest spindle]

Is yout hanako ex5 and max necklace

[celest spindle]

My rotation for f100

F67 the timing for atg3 more relax so check what atk kill you

[dull eagle]

I fked my heal

I can't time Yoshimi basic with Nagisa EX for more damage

[sick thorn]

f57

i need to build hanako later

[dense perch]

YES FINALLY

[dense perch]

thanks for the rotation but i cant follow any of these

i just go random

and do whatever

[dull eagle]

I managed it as well by doing the same thing

[dull eagle]

Just finished too

[dull eagle]

You guys think this team can clear 97? 🤔

[dull eagle]

I was just checking if Airi can survive. I didn't expect to actually clear 77

[wide orbit]

Nice to have a maxed B Yoshimi to borrow

[dense perch]

nice

[dull eagle]

I think I definitely need D.Ako for 97 🤔

[native ocean]

there no change if u mean in survival case

[dull eagle]

Nah damage feels lackluster

I'll check some guide later and improvise

[little hinge]

if i dont have onsen shigure can i use miku?

[wide orbit]

Ue30 Hanako is quite doable though

[graceful cradle]

how are u even struggling w that many meta student

[tawny vine]

results of my first attempt at floor 74, i should be able to make it right? this is just me having a skill issue/not knowing the fight properly right?

[clever kayak]

Thank you F99

[lyric atlas]

I probably need to raise Hanako a bit more

[tawny vine]

should i start with yoshimi or s.hoshino?

[dull eagle]

You got the core students. Idk who you using as special tho but should easily clear 74.

[dull eagle]

Yoshimi cause DPS. Ideally D.Hina too if you can.

[dull eagle]

Miku's heal aren't enough unless you also have her at UE50. Hanako is fine as she is.

[tawny vine]

really? i tried starting with different combinations first 30 seconds (until yoshimi's skill) and seems like starting with hoshino>yoshimi does more dmg than yoshimi>hoshino

[dull eagle]

Oh I thought you were saying who to upgrade. Hoshino is always the first.

[clever kayak]

Though hanako only healer can be rough

[tawny vine]

on the last minute and a half he gets an insane dmg boost huh

[native ocean]

Yea, the dmg increased each atg they have

[dire bane]

hmmm today i will do above floor 86

[sly glade]

just getting into fr, is hanako that much better // important than hs shigure?

[placid marlin]

UE40 Hanako is better than 3* Oshig

This is both F2P level of investments

UE Oshig obv beat her

[sly glade]

i did not level my hanako so she's sitting at 3. grumble grumble, should have known the future

[humble trail]

UE Shigure is a better unit than Hanako in general, but she can't heal F100 without an Atsuko or shielder to help, while Hanako can.

Important to keep in mind.

I have never found homework of it and Folie tested that for me, that's why I'm saying that.

Exception: Crazy yolo comps that kill around 1:30 even on F100, like Sakurako, C.Utaha and S.Izuna on blue. Invested Shigure can solo heal this. In fact you prob need her for max dps. Whale comp though.

[sour garden]

but doesn't that make hanako a better unit?

if hanako can do solo what oshiggy can't

[mossy crown]

they kind of serve different purpose

[native ocean]

Only for red or blue too

From what u said below, it means that blue possible but not red?

[humble trail]

I know of a rushdown comp in blue.

But I've not done the research for red, maybe there is a rushdown comp that can kill around 1min30sec for red too. This comp might feature solo O.Shig

[humble trail]

O.Shigure is better at everything else other than Set, compared to Hanako.

[native ocean]

Will it be fine if the comp can survive full time despite of only Kokona O.Shig without other sustain?

[sour garden]

btw oshiggy basic heals 4 lowest hp students

does that mean in normal raid it heals all strikers?

[humble trail]

If there is a O.Shig + Kokona homework that kills after ATG3 has ended, on F100+, without any other aoe healer or shielder, I am very interested in seeing the video.

[humble trail]

Pretty much lol

[sour garden]

[sick tulip]

Hanako accomplishes the extra healing by being casted many more times than O.Shigure, which eats into bit the dps and ST healing rotation

[humble trail]

Unless lantern east one or something

[native ocean]

I think Miku considered as sustain

[humble trail]

I think so yes

[sick tulip]

Err… I think I vaguely recall one of these in blue that I was copying, which involves double-ticking O.Shigure inside every mechanic

[sour garden]

so oshiggy + atsuko for example is less cost intensive then hanako because they are much longer in duration?

[sick tulip]

Remind me later and I’ll try to dig it up if I can

[sick tulip]

Yeah, most people use a single O.Shigure heal to cover two mechanics, whereas Hanako needs to be used one time on each one.

[humble trail]

Hanako also naturally ticks faster, so if timed properly, she can make students live bursty stuff.

[sick tulip]

So for the 4/5 mechanics inside ATG3, you can often get away with 2/3 O.Shigure casts, whereas you need 4/5 Hanako casts

[native ocean]

how if it's from s4 onwards?

[humble trail]

Also bigger aoe more comfy. I need 1 Kokona on S.Hoshino for red, wouldn't be needed with O.Shig

[sick tulip]

That’s an even bigger gain than it looks, since the lower rate of O.Shigure casts usually means there’s enough time for Kokona to discount every single one, which is not true of Hanako.

[humble trail]

? I just meant Miku heal might help O.Shig pass so she'd count as sustain for my homework hunt

[native ocean]

i just asking how if the one before is from s4+

will it still count

[sick tulip]

Incidentally, I believe that this approach essentially erodes that entire advantage which I just described, in addition to ironically being more precise than solo Hanako, hence why it’s seldom used

[humble trail]

Coh, if you find me homework, I'm happy to teach people the ways of solo O.Shig

[humble trail]

[sick tulip]

I think if going solo, Hanako is probably better, haha

[humble trail]

I'll count it, unless they nerfed Set's damage, which I think they didn't

[sick tulip]

Ah… I wonder if I can record it if I can’t find the video… idk whether it’s possible on Red…?

It relies on having only two of the non-Kokona strikers being ‘frail’ so that she can chip in.

[humble trail]

Idk if Yoshimi is squishier than Sakurako, she felt delicate to me a bit.

[sick tulip]

She heals one during the vortex, and the other during the storm.

I feel like Kazusa + Yoshimi + Nonomi is too many people to take care of?

Oh, and there’s no NY.Kayoko to and S.Izuna to cycle with…

I guess nothing stops me from deploying a blue team just to showcase survival though, huh?

[humble trail]

I was shooting for a F104 setup next week. It's S.Shizuko+Hanako. I'll try S.Eimi instead. That sustain setup might work with any comp.

[sick tulip]

Have you got a UE40 O.Shigure? You can try it until I get home.

I have timings written down somewhere here…

[humble trail]

I have a 0* Shigure actually

[sick tulip]

Oh, unfortunate

No worries then

[humble trail]

No hurry tbh, can do tomorrow too

[native ocean]

yep, didn't find it

[sick tulip]

If you’re searching now, I’m pretty sure I saw it on NND, not YT

[native ocean]

never been there

[humble trail]

My NND skills are severely lacking. Not searching now, will actually sleep soon lol.

[sick tulip]

But yeah, I feel like it’s fully academic anyway

Either O.Shigure + anything (Ayane maybe cheapest), or solo Hanako are both probably better…

[humble trail]

[native ocean]

yea, i don't have this vid

[sick tulip]

Oh, so it is possible on red… huh…

[humble trail]

Ya this might do it. He prob manages to kill much earlier than most ppl

[sick tulip]

I doubt this team kills before ATG3 (?)

[humble trail]

It's possible but you need a super solid team and rota I imagine. /whel UE50 city

Hmmm, Nonomi was bas mood here right? Maybe OShig is LB healing B50 along with the UE50 lol

[native ocean]

s4

[sick tulip]

If it did, I want to know how, lol, because I can access the same striker setup and am generally fighting to the last second.

[humble trail]

Wish there was a vid lol. Thanks Near for the finds

[sick tulip]

Minori can’t be a 40+% dps increase, surely

[native ocean]

was qtomoe give shield?

[sick tulip]

Oh, is S4 after T9 watch/pin?

[native ocean]

yea t9

[humble trail]

If Folie couldn't make it work on his test, it likely requires some whack timings (double tick) or something, still wouldn't recommend solo OShig unless someone knew what they were doing.

[native ocean]

neklace

[humble trail]

Naruhodo, with lb heal maybe

[native ocean]

but this one s2

oh qtomoe has shield

[humble trail]

Yeah she's like a S.Sizu or Eimi then

[sick tulip]

There’s like 1-2 frames of error on the last six O.Shigure uses, iirc. It’s disproportionately impractical.

[native ocean]

i think that's the only comp

but then minori is kinda expensive

might just oshig hanako

[humble trail]

Some do ya, Hanako to help Atg3

[sick tulip]

Especially the S.Nonomi one, I’m not sure if Minori EX would even be used at any point…?

[humble trail]

Break ball, let Hina AA I guess

Or Nonomi

[native ocean]

wut?

uh

yea should be just sub slave

[humble trail]

Oh she has that cost thingy eh? Never used her forgot lol

[sick tulip]

Minori cost increases if available, in exchange for extra damage

[humble trail]

Minori's basic would also damage the boss, but prob tickle him tbh

[sick tulip]

She’s sometimes used alongside triple Sugar Rush strikers, where she’s the only special able to destroy the red orb in a single EX

For a UE Minori, I wonder if a 4 cost EX is enough? 5-cost is sufficient for 3*, iirc.

[spark epoch]

Yoshimi is only ~400 HP squishier than Sakurako.
Umika has considerably more HP than Sakurako.
C. Utaha has significantly more HP than Sakurako

[humble trail]

[sick tulip]

It takes some rotational trickery to prevent her from stealing more than the minimum cost she needs though. Too complicated for me.

[sick tulip]

That part was pretty critical to the O.Shigure solo-heal, I believe, because Kokona can chip in at the critical moments amidst ATG3 vortex and storm

O.Shigure is already kind of okay on the cage and spear casts, as long as she’s ticking at the right times to heal maximally/not overheal

That’s a lot of conditional requirements though, that Hanako simply doesn’t have to deal with.

[spark epoch]

On some higher floors, mathematically, O. Shigure simply cannot solo heal without a shielder or another healer.

[sick tulip]

I think I’ve seen that. That’s like 110 though, isn’t it? One would expect that people at that point have no reservations about building multiple healers.

Idk what’s the impetus behind running O.Shigure solo anyway…?

You surely lose as much if not more damage than slotting the extra Hanako/Ayane

[spark epoch]

By my calculation, on F100, O. Shigure can only barely solo heal Yoshimi through Bursting Radiance (<1000 HP left at the end of the attack).

[sick tulip]

If your comparison to Sakurako HP was correct, this lines up with my experience, yeah.

I made attempts with UE30 O.Shigure, and was short by about 500-800 HP at the tightest bottleneck.

I actually got killed by the red orb, of all things

[spark epoch]

Perhaps people are just exploring different possibilities.

[spark epoch]

Ouch

[sick tulip]

Yeah, it was a little harsh of me to condone it, in retrospect…

I’ll spend at least an hour searching for that NND vid tonight, as penance

I legitimately wonder if it would be faster to try and record it myself though…? I upstarred O.Shigure this week. ( )

[spark epoch]

I somewhat rely on a calculator to cook my rotation for F100, trying to determine when exactly I should use O. Shigure's EX so that the healing ticks are optimal.

[sick tulip]

It’s so obnoxiously hard though, lol

I do the same, yeah. Since Set has no damage variance, it’s a good asset to at least start with

Actually you sound like you’re using O.Shigure a lot, is that right?

I’ve never gotten around to figuring one thing out

[spark epoch]

I rely on an O. Shigure borrow. I don't have her myself.

[sick tulip]

What’s the closest you can get two heal ticks together on a double-tick resummmon?

I’ve always used 1.488 seconds as my benchmark, but if it’s anything like Atsuko, it’s probably less.

[spark epoch]

You can have at most three heal ticks from O. Shigure during, for example, Bursting Radiance, actually.

[sick tulip]

Let me check which attack bursting radiance is naming, one moment sorry

[spark epoch]

The lightning / electricity cage, as worded by some people.

[humble trail]

It's not really a Wish to solo with her.

It's just, at first, especially when set was new, people said stuff like:
you need a healer, OShig or Hanako

The actual answer turned out to be more complicated for F100+, that's all.

Didn't want people despairing cuz they got told just OShig was enough alone

[sick tulip]

Oh, wait, what? That doesn’t sound right… Only three ticks?

Don’t you get three full ticks like… by default?

[spark epoch]

The attack lasts 8.5 seconds. So you usually get either 2 or 3 ticks. Am I missing something?

[sick tulip]

Err… I guess you’re not counting an early one because of overheal? That’s valid.

I never thought of it that way, since Bursting Radiance is the last big attack before spear, and comes right after a very heavy storm hit, but I think the first one in ATG3 you could feasibly be at near full health at the beginning.

Wow, Bursting Radiance is so much shorter than I expected. It feels like it lasts 10+ seconds when you’re in game.

[spark epoch]

Yes, I am not counting an early one. I also use that to calculate whether it is possible to solo heal with O. Shigure and whether it is feasible to be slack about healing ticks if there is a shield.

[sick tulip]

Wait, let me go check the timeline I’ve got. That still sounds off.

Huh, no you’re right.

I’ve actually got it written as 8.4933 seconds between first and last damage tick

But it’s in timestamps, not total length, so I never noticed.

I guess the thought process is that being able to fully neutralise the bursting radiance is inherently necessary to have even a chance at surviving the vortex at 1:36

[spark epoch]

In my case, not having S. Shiroko for cost regen means I am miserably tight with cost rotation during ATG3, so I can't necessarily guarantee the girls' full health before a round of attacks.

[sick tulip]

Oh heck, that’s a pretty big handicap, yeah!

Survival is binary

So if you’re short by an inch, you end up with nothing at all

[spark epoch]

Yes. I made the timeline according to damage ticks.

[humble trail]

Shrodinger's cat wants to know your location.

[spark epoch]

Indeed. You can revive the lingering, but you cannot revive the dead.

[sick tulip]

He can find me in front of the Fury of Set, underneath the lightning bolt that connects the Earth to the Heavens.

[humble trail]

🛐

[sick tulip]

And until he comes to take a look, nobody can tell, whether I’m alive or dead

[spark epoch]

Schrodinger's Kat is providing an attack speed buff and two stacks of sugar rush.

[sick tulip]

If that’s a video, share it for sure. It’s hardly different to Nagisa’s heal.

We all need something to put on the record just for completeness’s sake.

Oh~ D.Hina is pretty tanky, isn’t she? I failed to consider that.

[spark epoch]

D. Hina has more HP and more DEF than B. Yoshimi.

[sick tulip]

What’s the comparison to S.Nonomi?

Though I know that it’s better. She uses badge, so she has the extra recovery rate and everything.

[spark epoch]

S. Nonomi ~6000 HP less than B. Yoshimi but more DEF.

[sick tulip]

This team was pulled up earlier, and I was surprised that it survives, since the technique I know of requires Kokona to support the team at the height of ATG3.

But three students is too much for Kokona to save in time, at least with the methods I know.

So my only theory is that this person somehow locked town Kokona's basic skill to the point of being able to save somebody at the exact right time two minutes into the fight

But with D.Hina being a lot stronger, that should help.

Now that I think about it, blue had NY.Akari's defence buff on her basic skill as well, that definitely weighs in...

[spark epoch]

Indeed. And NY Akari has a bag; strikers inherit another 105 DEF from her. (Although you can also have the extra DEF inherited if you run Nagisa in the red Set.)

[sick tulip]

It's kind of nice how many of the meta specials here have bags, shoes and badges. My pin stockpile is in tears as it is.

Oh, that's another thing that you'd be missing without S.Shiroko. Yikes!

[spark epoch]

If I had S. Shiroko, I would have to replace Nagisa, so the equation doesn't change in this case.

[dense perch]

hm.... idk if thats even possible tbh

idk if its worth it to mald over this

[chrome chasm]

koharu cant handle stuff at high floor

[faint bough]

[dense perch]

i dont have any other option anyway

[chrome chasm]

What about bairi?

[dense silo]

@sullen dagger hey, I don't have oshig but can I borrow your BYo please

[regal rune]

Floor 99 for next blue set I’ve been told?

[native ocean]

it always in same rot yea

Blue red in repeat

Then S8 we get Chokmah

[merry thunder]

Can this team clear floor 49?

[native ocean]

I think so

Normally u put Ako Himari in a single carry like that

But if u don't have then it is okay with current

Also i assume u bring tanks cuz they can live better despite of no dmg? might be better to swap one or even two of em with other dps or someone with buff/debuff to help increase BYosh potential

like maybe u can let em die

[merry thunder]

i have ako

[merry thunder]

also i have 2 tanks cuz i need to fill my team

[native ocean]

Someone else might be can perform better with their auto kit or smth

For example S.Nom even tho at *3 she has aspd buff to allies on basic

Similar way to that Azusa doing def down to enemy with her basic

With that said, azusa + nagisa actually should be enough def down

[merry thunder]

i replaced tsubaki with d.aru

[native ocean]

That's gonna be better

[dense perch]

nah, i dont have any resource to build anyone especially from trinity

[thick cave]

floor 24 done, time to rest

hmm, better than the first season

[native ocean]

we get nerfed ver anyway

[thick cave]

ah yes ah yes, i forgor

[celest spindle]

~~last Set is fun and engaging ~~

[thick cave]

but still, a slight improving than last time

[native ocean]

It's because despite of nerfed, red set has more HP than blue from the start

[thick cave]

last season i still stuck at floor 18
dont blame me, i am just the guy who always saving and only using ticket for pulling at specific banner!

[native ocean]

U don't find borrow or what

[thick cave]

i did borrow

however

[native ocean]

I can solo striker f30

[celest spindle]

sakurako UE50 should be ez f24

[thick cave]

my blue att student is not very much, unlike the red and yellow

[celest spindle]

if you have a whel or good club borrow

[thick cave]

buddy, you had better build and material than me
the only thing i can blame is myself and skills

[native ocean]

https://youtu.be/_5W9Sz4x0HY?si=hhhI9MrAP7N1JueG

I mean

[celest spindle]

[native ocean]

U can fit 5 more there

When Sakurako still the borrow (no change)

[thick cave]

man, if the payment is not suck
typical korean games, always expansive everytime

[thick cave]

EHHH

....

you right

guess i have major build issue here

[celest spindle]

for this content most pps borrow the dps
aka Sakurako / bYoshimi

[native ocean]

[thick cave]

[native ocean]

I also have f40 with 2 striker

f50 with 3 striker

this will be reduced a lot when s3 due-to nerfed stat

f50 should be able with 1-2 striker only

u can do it!

[thick cave]

hmm

i am not sure i was able, but might gonna try

per 5 floor, slowly and smoothly (hopefully, since i dont get B Yoshimi and B Kazusa
screw you arona)

[native ocean]

maybe i'll try red

[thick cave]

goodluck

[zinc rock]

No wonder I struggled so much more with red

[chrome chasm]

i thought blue was harder?

[zinc rock]

I dont go over 97 floor

[flat widget]

Anyone has B Yoshimi? I want to borrow her for higher floor set please
My friend code: ASARMRSN

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1224867956786462750/1239494277348851772/akowant.gif

[spark epoch]

You can also go to https://discord.com/channels/890474004094263357/1108594770332373143 to hunt find borrows and/or post your request.

[thick cave]

it is.....

[terse wharf]

https://youtu.be/eyhH87MsYSw

Too easy

[humble trail]

3x speed? Can't compete

[pearl gust]

how far can you get at level 67 if your band members are not max minus yoshimi(she will be borrow)

[robust fjord]

[native ocean]

🧎‍♂️

[native ocean]

50 atleast, idk if more

like 54 to be exact maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joRyCFSayxI&feature=youtu.be
i tried with Toki which actually not rl suited for this before

and it's also 3 striker team

[regal rune]

F99 material for next blue yeah

[native ocean]

Oh f50 is just dumb run

lv.1 Yoshimi (happy)

[sick tulip]

I don't think we have any new units for Blue Set compared to the previous season

The damage jump from F104-F105 seems much higher

But if I remember correctly, there is no damage bonus for being higher level than the opponent; it is only a damage penalty for being lower. Was that correct?

[native ocean]

yea

atleast on s3 we get t9 on 3rd slot

s1 highest 106
s3 highest 108

meanwhile red remain 109 till it change to chokmah

[sick tulip]

Oh, T9 is in time for S3? That's good.

[native ocean]

yea, idk if we get it before s2 end tho

[sick tulip]

Sounds doubtful to me. There are less than two weeks left.

Hm... Looking at my resources right now, I'm not sure if I'd get T9 watchs/pins farmed in time to use them even if they were released next week!

I still need to find a spare watch for D.Ako - She's currently my weak link in terms of survival

Oh, I never thought about it before this, but Kotama's necklace is probably a source of healing stat transfer, wouldn't it?

[native ocean]

uh

barely

[sick tulip]

hah... It's about 100 heal stat transferred for the entire necklace

Disgusting

Kotama necklace has to be one of the most decadent investments available here

[native ocean]

[spark epoch]

3x speed
Great job! Congrats on the clear.

[terse wharf]

Thanks

[boreal atlas]

[terse wharf]

[merry thunder]

YOOOO

Didnt know u got a ytb channel

[terse wharf]

Yeah, I upload my runs there

It's just for fun

[merry thunder]

Oh

Mhm

Maybe I should do too

But meh, my account is kinda sucks

[terse wharf]

[zenith topaz]

Why I did it... I just have these arbitrary rules I made when I level up students 👀😩💀

[spark epoch]

Lv.7 basic and enhanced

[zenith topaz]

I know 😩

My OCD

Lol

Exhibit 2

[spark epoch]

UE50 Fubuki

[zenith topaz]

Don't be like me lol