Basic Pycord Help

[fresh sierra]

You should check the helper fonction

[raw beacon]

Can userapps fetch a users server specific banner? If the userapp isnt added to the server

[sage tendon]

pretty sure no

[raw beacon]

[errant trout]

banner is included in bot.fetch_user

but not server specific, no

(for user apps, you should assume that your bot is not a member and has no access to member-specific info apart from some of the command user's)

[raw beacon]

yea but it can fetch the server avatar for some reason

but not the server banner

which is.. confusing

[sage tendon]

banners are not part of the member object, you need to fetch it seperately
but the server avatar is part of the member object

[raw beacon]

ah

[buoyant eagle]

why i cant see the slash command?

[sage tendon]

many reasons

try restarting discord

[lapis dock]

what do you mean? It is not showing in discord when you type slash?

[buoyant eagle]

yes

[sly karma]

Application Commands Not Showing Up?

• Refresh Discord by restarting or pressing Ctrl+R (or Command ⌘ + R)
• Uninstall libraries that conflict with the discord namespace (e.g. discord.py).
• Invite your bot with the application.commands scope.
• Load cogs before bot.run() (e.g. not in on_ready).
• Do not override on_connect.
• Update to the newest version of py-cord (see ?tag install).
• Turn off User Settings > Accessibility > Chat Input > Use legacy chat input.
• Share your code and errors.

[buoyant eagle]

@commands.slash_command(name = "access", description = "command to grand access to a user")
@option("user", discord.User,description = "Select User")
@option( "duration",choices = ["5 Days", "10 Days", "15 Days", "30 Days", "Perm",] ,description = "Select The Duration of the access" )
@discord.default_permissions(manage_channels = True)
async def access(ctx):

i did something wrong?

[sage tendon]

and below that?

is that in a cog?

[buoyant eagle]

nope

[sage tendon]

then you need to use @bot.slash_command

[lapis dock]

Where are your option arguments O.o

[sage tendon]

that too lol

also you should use discord.Member as option type and as typehint for the argument

[buoyant eagle]

now i see the command but i dont have the options

[sage tendon]

hence wolfy said this

you dont have any arguments in your function definition

[buoyant eagle]

how i add them?

[sage tendon]

like any other function argument

lol

[lapis dock]

Have you taken a look at the guide yet?

[buoyant eagle]

yes

[sly karma]

Official Pycord Guide: https://guide.pycord.dev/

[sage tendon]

the guide explains everything you're trying to do

[lapis dock]

https://guide.pycord.dev/interactions/application-commands/slash-commands#options--option-types
This section explains it well

[buoyant eagle]

discord.errors.ApplicationCommandInvokeError: Application Command raised an exception: Forbidden: 403 Forbidden (error code: 50013): Missing Permissions

help....

[echo wraith]

What code

Give the full traceback

Bruh

[buoyant eagle]

oh wait a sec

[sage tendon]

I mean the error is very clear

something you are trying to do, you lack permissions for

the bot, in that case

[buoyant eagle]

sorry
just got back to dev bots after a long time

[cedar sandal]

I’m having difficulty loading cog extensions into my main script. It never calls the function to import the cogs. I added print statements to debug but it never prints so the function never happens. Can someone give me a working example because I’m an idiot?

ChatGPT and Gemini don’t understand pycord super well

[lapis dock]

Could you show what you have instead and we can help correct your mistake

[cedar sandal]

Yeah. Will post back later when I have time to focus on jt

[lapis dock]

This page might also be helpful
https://guide.pycord.dev/popular-topics/cogs

[cedar sandal]

That is very helpful

I will use this to practice and then try to expand it with my own ideas in a new cog

Thank you

[nocturne jewel]

how to put this hidden online status?

[silk spire]

It's a http only bot aka only handles interactions
https://discord.com/developers/docs/interactions/overview#preparing-for-interactions

[nocturne jewel]

gotcha, thx

[cedar sandal]

in the guide for cog's the math commands do not contain the ctx paramater... is this normal? my IDE is complaining about it

https://guide.pycord.dev/popular-topics/cogs

[shell radish]

it's an error on the guide

@errant trout can you fix it

[cedar sandal]

also the greet is broken

    async def greet(self, ctx, member: discord.Member):
        await ctx.respond(f'{ctx.author.mention} says hello to {member.mention}!')```

```discord.ext.commands.errors.CommandNotFound: Command "greet" is not found```

fix: (not sure if this is how you'd want it)

    async def greet(self, ctx, member: discord.Member):
        await ctx.send(f'{ctx.author.mention} says hello to {member.mention}!')```

[fresh sierra]

a user command is not a command but an app command

[fierce seal]

is there a way to get reactions to a message interaction points to, from inside a view class?

[sage tendon]

what

[sage tendon]

uh... no

[noble flax]

Am I imagining seeing something, but is there a way for an autocomplete to use the list of the discord members? So that you can select the discord name from a list?

[silk spire]

Set the type to discord.Member

[noble flax]

Thank you good sir, I vaguely remember it from a while ago but couldn't find where

[cedar sandal]

I was seeing that the CTX in the respond wasn’t tieing to the CTX in the definition. But I am noob so idk if I’m trying to understand it backwards

[cedar sandal]

You can do this for several other fields as well. I just did one where you pick a voice channel from a list. Pretty neat

[lapis dock]

You are trying to use it as a prefix command when in reality it is a user command that shows up when you right click a user and hover over "apps"

[cedar sandal]

Ohhhhh

[quartz umbra]

can somebody give me the docs for integration types? I forget the bot command

[raw beacon]

.rtfm integration

[sly karma]

66 total results

discord.Integration
discord.Integration.account
discord.Integration.delete
discord.Integration.enabled
discord.Integration.guild
discord.Integration.id
discord.Integration.name
discord.Integration.type
discord.Integration.user
discord.BotIntegration
discord.BotIntegration.account
discord.BotIntegration.application
discord.BotIntegration.delete
discord.BotIntegration.enabled
discord.BotIntegration.guild
discord.BotIntegration.id
discord.BotIntegration.name
discord.BotIntegration.type
discord.BotIntegration.user
discord.StreamIntegration

[quartz umbra]

no not like that, there's a page on the docs i think that shows you how to make a command accessible in DMs etc if you add the bot to your profile

[sage tendon]

that's a user app

[raw beacon]

https://docs.pycord.dev/en/stable/api/enums.html#discord.IntegrationType.user_install

thiS?

[quartz umbra]

yh you gave me an example the other day i can't find the message

[rugged lodge]

Here's the slash users example.

[quartz umbra]

this thx!

[raw beacon]

ah

[cedar sandal]

I guess this is a basic general-rule question:

what is the best practice way to store API keys/tokens such that they’re not included in the project repo, but it’s sensible to the user where they should be

Environment variable vs dummy apikeys.py… That kind of thing

[lapis dock]

I use a .env but if you are distributing the code and expecting users to fill in the data private.py might be better. Not sure if there are sequrity benefits to having it as a text file or not..

[sage tendon]

I personally have a git-excluded config.py, makes it very straightforward to access and im just used to it
and then i have example.config.py as, well, example file for anyone else wanting to use it

[cedar sandal]

There we go

Thanks toothy

[livid nymph]

discord.errors.NotFound: 404 Not Found (error code: 10062): Unknown interaction
``` anyone getting this error all of sudden? I didn't change my code or anything but it suddenly stopped working

[lofty parcel]

Most of the times means you're not replying under 3 seconds.

[livid nymph]

    async def upload(self, ctx, attachment:discord.Attachment):
        if attachment:
            # Responding with the file URL
            await ctx.defer()
            await ctx.respond(f"Received your file: {attachment.url}")

code looking like that so it should respond instantly

I didn't even have ctx.defer() before

is it possible its because of a slow internet connection?

[lapis dock]

Yes the 3 seconds start when discord sends the interaction. The time it takes for the internet to deliver that request to you and the time it takes for your response to be delivered to discord will be included in the given 3 seconds

[sage tendon]

does it work if you defer?

if you have close to or over 3000ms of latency to discord, even temporarily, thats really bad lol

[lapis dock]

discord response times have been acting up a bit lately as well. Not sure how that you affect the timing

[sage tendon]

fairly stable at least today tho

[cedar sandal]

what's wrong with line 11?

Option isn't a thing, I get that... how would I achieve the same concept properly

[shell radish]

from discord import Option or use discord.Option

[cedar sandal]

still barking

[shell radish]

yeah, that's a different thing

you can ignore it or use @option instead

[tidal vessel]

Why is the setup() function asynchronous? In py-cord, it's synchronous.

[cedar sandal]

I fixed

[valid panther]

Hello! I would like to know what you think of the two options of healthcheck that I had thought. The first option was to make a https server that every x time makes a call returning info that everything is ok. And the second one is to make a .py script that makes the call. It is because I have the discord bot in a docker service and I would like to know the status without needing to see the logs.

[echo wraith]

What I have personally is a task in my bots that requests uptime Kuma every tot seconds

[valid panther]

With a post or a get?

[echo wraith]

Post

[river oriole]

Slash command sub Groups are just Slash command groups right? So I should be able to call .command() on them?

[echo wraith]

Yes

[river oriole]

I think I'm doing something wrong then. I get this Error everytime I try to use a sub command group

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/Users/dominik/Development/D-20/.venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/discord/cog.py", line 784, in _load_from_module_spec
    spec.loader.exec_module(lib)  # type: ignore
  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 850, in exec_module
  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 228, in _call_with_frames_removed
  File "/Users/dominik/Development/D-20/modules/Tickets/index.py", line 20, in <module>
    class Tickets(commands.Cog):
  File "/Users/dominik/Development/D-20/modules/Tickets/index.py", line 41, in Tickets
    @intro_group.command(name="send", description="Sends the Introduction message")
AttributeError: 'function' object has no attribute 'command'

The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/Users/dominik/Development/D-20/bot.py", line 37, in <module>
    bot.load_extension(f"modules.{module_name}.index")
  File "/Users/dominik/Development/D-20/.venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/discord/cog.py", line 918, in load_extension
    self._load_from_module_spec(spec, name)
  File "/Users/dominik/Development/D-20/.venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/discord/cog.py", line 787, in _load_from_module_spec
    raise errors.ExtensionFailed(key, e) from e
discord.errors.ExtensionFailed: Extension 'modules.Tickets.index' raised an error: AttributeError: 'function' object has no attribute 'command'

With this code:

group = SlashCommandGroup(
    name="ticket",
    description="Commands related to Tickets",
    contexts=InteractionContextType.guild,
)
# intro_group = group
intro_group = group.subgroup(
    name="introduction", description="Commands related to the introduction message"
)
@intro_group.command(name="message", description="Sets the Introduction message")
@isStaff()
async def message(self, ctx: ApplicationContext):
    await ctx.send_modal(
        SetIntroductionMessage(title="Set the Introduction Message")
    )

It works fine when I use intro_group = group or @group.command()

[errant trout]

it should be .create_subgroup, not .subgroup

(why do we have a @subgroup decorator????)

[river oriole]

Ohh my bad. Thank you very much

[gusty ibex]

Why does the "import discord" come out gray? Nothing else happens in that file, in everyone else if I can import it. I tried to fix it by reinstalling py-cord, but not even that.

[gusty ibex]

I already fixed it, apparently the code editor did not detect a use of "discord" and marked it in gray.

[marble hull]

hey guys, basic question - how do cooldowns work?

like is the data stored in cache or something?

[sage tendon]

probably saved in the slash command object

[little cobalt]

It looks like you use PyCharm. If you import stuff but you havent used it yet in the code its gonna be a gray colour

[fresh sierra]

same in vsc, it gonna be dark green

[buoyant eagle]

how i can remove the help command?

[lapis dock]

help_command=None in the bot constructor

[buoyant eagle]

ok thanks

[cobalt bone]

require_tag is deprecated ?

[sage tendon]

thats for ForumChannel.edit

[echo wraith]

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.12/site-packages/discord/client.py", line 614, in connect
self.ws = await asyncio.wait_for(coro, timeout=60.0)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.12/asyncio/tasks.py", line 520, in wait_for
return await fut
^^^^^^^^^
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.12/site-packages/discord/gateway.py", line 339, in from_client
socket = await client.http.ws_connect(gateway)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.12/site-packages/discord/http.py", line 216, in ws_connect
return await self.__session.ws_connect(url, **kwargs)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.12/site-packages/aiohttp/client.py", line 1021, in _ws_connect
raise WSServerHandshakeError(
aiohttp.client_exceptions.WSServerHandshakeError: 520, message='Invalid response status', url='wss://gateway.discord.gg/?encoding=json&v=10&compress=zlib-stream'

Any1 has an idea ? Just got it once.

Ok I can't read guys goodnight

[lapis dock]

Did some ddevs digging, seems like you should just ignore an retry (with a maximum number of retries ofc)

[fresh sierra]

im doing a backup system, and i was wondering should i save the icon like guild, profil or member as bytes or just using the url will work forever ?

[echo wraith]

The url will not work forever afaik if it's the same as message attachements because th eurl is signed. HOWEVER, you should NEVER store files like that in a database. Instead, if it is not possible to do with theurl which i'm not sure it is, take some storage space (either local storage or something like s3 etc...) and download the file there under a given name, then store the name in your database.

[fresh sierra]

but i dont know if the url expired outside of discord

never change store how ? as bit or as url

[echo wraith]

Neither

you store a filename

[fresh sierra]

and i cannot download, it would be way to expensive

[echo wraith]

then you store the actual file somewhere else

[echo wraith]

why would it be ?

It's in any case not more expensive in storage space than storing it in the db as bytes

[fresh sierra]

if i need to save all of the profile of all members

its like thousand and thousand of image

so i might stick with the url, i feel like it will still works since in from discord

[echo wraith]

Idk the only thing that could happen is the url expires and it doesn't work anymore

[fresh sierra]

yeah but i dont think it will expires if i use it on discord context

i think there is like 14d outside of discord but infite on discord

[echo wraith]

I'm not sure

Try asking in ddevs maybe

[fresh sierra]

from what i heard about it i should be scare

[lapis dock]

Asking for help on ddevs is fine, dealing with some of the people asking for help on ddevs is not fine

[fresh sierra]

ok, i'll go there to ask and i'll tell you about the time

[sly karma]

https://discord.gg/discord-developers

[fresh sierra]

well there is a limit but no i still dont know how im gonna fix it

[stray cape]

can anyone give an example of the use of SlashCommandGroup.checks?

[sage tendon]

https://docs.pycord.dev/en/stable/ext/commands/api.html#checks

[stray cape]

yeah I lowkey don't understand how to use it does it have to do something with

bot: commands.Bot
@bot.check
async def some_check(ctx: discord.ApplicationContext) -> bool:
   return True or False
```?

[sage tendon]

the link i sent has examples

[stray cape]

where

nevermind thank you kidney

[sage tendon]

click it and read

[stray cape]

what if I want to add a check for a group itself?

that it only is accessible for a specific group of people

[sage tendon]

If its role based you should do that in the integration settings in your server settings
If its permission based used https://docs.pycord.dev/en/stable/api/application_commands.html#discord.commands.default_permissions

[stray cape]

Is that for real a thing?

[sage tendon]

?

why would i just randomly make up stuff

[stray cape]

mb I didnt mean it like that

just suprised that i can actually configure something via discord

[fresh sierra]

pass in the group the check

[stray cape]

I think this should work

it's role-based anyways

[fresh sierra]

    slash_group = discord.SlashCommandGroup(
        name="debug",
        checks=[Lumabot.is_owner().predicate],
        contexts=[
            discord.InteractionContextType.guild,
        ],
    )

[stray cape]

but thanks for bearing with me

[fresh sierra]

then yeah if its by role it will, remember however that this can be overwrite

[stray cape]

alrighty

got it

\🔥

[stray cape]

by the way will emoji's like :fire: work if I set it in a footer?

[fresh sierra]

yes

[stray cape]

as in it'll convert the \🔥 to 🔥

[fresh sierra]

but you should just pass them as unicode emoji ig

[sage tendon]

footer wont render any special text formatting i think

so yea if anything only as unicode emoji

[stray cape]

because this is lowkey not useful or is it that my terminal it rendering it like that

[sage tendon]

i mean thats on your IDE font

[fresh sierra]

�

[stray cape]

alrighty 👍

[fresh sierra]

i think its the emoji u used

[sage tendon]

VSC continues to amaze

[stray cape]

catched that

neovim 🔥

[fresh sierra]

🔥

[sage tendon]

Luma, that icon is for characters that the font doesnt have a character for

[fresh sierra]

yep this one is not a real one

[fresh sierra]

i copy past that from discord

which mean the first emoji he sent was not a unicode one

[stray cape]

alright ily yall thx ❤️

[fresh sierra]

🔥

this is

[stray cape]

okay one last question: how do I send a Paginator object..?

[rugged lodge]

Here's the paginator example.

[stray cape]

aha respond

[echo wraith]

\🔥

[stray cape]

\🔥

thank god sqlalchemy exists

[tidal vessel]

When a member leaves the server, are they automatically removed from the bot's cache, or are they still retained?

[sage tendon]

I'd think they're removed, Pycord handles cache pretty well

[frosty dust]

Is it possible to change the domain the requests py-cord makes go to?
Like if I wanted to use xyz.com/api instead of discord.com/api for testing purposes

[sage tendon]

Gotta say I don't see the point lol

[lapis dock]

Discord broke copy pasting some Unicode emojis, you might have to right click the message and copy text

[frosty dust]

Self hosted spacebar server

[errant trout]

uhhh there was a pr for that

let's see

[sage tendon]

yea but unless you recreated Discord's entire backend it's kinda pointless imo

[stray cape]

probably

[frosty dust]

The entire backend is pretty much done lol

[errant trout]

https://github.com/Pycord-Development/pycord/pull/2714

[frosty dust]

It has most needed endpoints

[errant trout]

if you're on master then have fun

[sage tendon]

what are you using that for tho

[frosty dust]

Decentralization

[sage tendon]

I thought it was for testing

[frosty dust]

Both are valid uses no?

[stray cape]

it doesn't really affect me right now but it's an interesting fact to hear

[frosty dust]

Im testing it now, supporting the dev of the projects, and gonna decentralize my communication

[lapis dock]

What does decentralize mean? I hear it thrown around sometimes

[errant trout]

just lookup spacebar on github, probably easier to explain that way

[frosty dust]

It means that your data isnt stored by big companies
I host a gitea instance, that way microsoft doesnt store my code
Or people host next cloud instead of google drive

None reliant on big companies

[lapis dock]

So who does host it? Random people that self host?

[sage tendon]

bold of you to assume Microsoft didn't make a copy to train language models on yet :>

[frosty dust]

They cant access my private repos on my site

[sage tendon]

anyone who wants

[lapis dock]

😬

[frosty dust]

Their ai on the other hand shows off tons of closed source code when jailbroken

Not mine

Considering news too, discord is planning their IPO to sell

So

[errant trout]

i wouldn't be surprised if discord sold but people have been saying that since like 2020

[sage tendon]

yea I mean discord is selling data left and right already 100% idc what they say

[frosty dust]

Self hostable replacements are the key to safety. FOSS is the way to go

Ssl certs can be gotten for free and encryption is at your fingertips

Between 2 domains, 2 vps's, my home pcs, etc, I can host anything I will ever need

[raw beacon]

got this is in my console

Unclosed connection
client_connection: Connection<ConnectionKey(host='gateway.discord.gg', port=443, is_ssl=True, ssl=True, proxy=None, proxy_auth=None, proxy_headers_hash=None)>``` 
am i doing something wrong?

im never calling that connection myself

[sage tendon]

are you exiting the bot

[raw beacon]

nop

unless the internet was unstable or something, which is unlikely

[sage tendon]

can always happen

never saw that myself tho

[raw beacon]

weird

never seen it either before this

[fresh sierra]

so i got a function that save some message to backup them, what do you think its better, saving all messsage author and pdp in local at that time or just save the id and then fetch them ?

i mean performance wize

because for the fetch i know i can fetch all people from the guild, but if there is a banall not one will be in the guild so i will have to fetch a lottttttttttt of author i think and im afraid if i touch a limit

[lapis dock]

This should just reconnect to discord right after

[lapis dock]

trying to fetch a large list will lead to ratelimits, it is better to store those things as you receive them through events

[fresh sierra]

i will not really be able to store them through event, it will be when i want to load the backup

but i get i'll only save the member_name and member_pdp instead of id and fetching user

[cobalt bone]

Why default_reaction_emoji parameter in ForumChannel(...).edit(default_reaction_emoji=...) cannot accept None ? How remove default reaction emoji ?

[echo wraith]

Hmm interesting

[sage tendon]

because it cant be not set?

oh no it can be unset

hm

[cobalt bone]

Optional allow the None value alright ?

[lapis dock]

yeah

wait maybe?

[cobalt bone]

I have tested discord.MISSING but I get an error

[errant trout]

None is correct

MISSING generally shouldn't be used by users

[rugged lodge]

Searched in pycord

discord.ForumChannel.edit

[lapis dock]

why does optional exists if you can just do | None in less charecters?

[errant trout]

| for typing is the newer syntax from 3.10 onwards

[echo wraith]

Cause python 3.9

[cobalt bone]

I have the error and default_reaction_emoji_ is None...

[errant trout]

or 3.9 wtv

ah

[echo wraith]

no yeah

you're right nelo it's starting 3.10

I meant because 3.9 doesnt support it

[errant trout]

icic

[lapis dock]

but why in the docs that line uses | syntax

[echo wraith]

Cause it's a mess

[errant trout]

someone wrote that one poorly

in that context it should be commas

[cobalt bone]

it's more short than Union[...]

[echo wraith]

Anyways, please ping me if this emoji upvote thing is an issue with the lib so I can take a look gtg now

[errant trout]

yeah the generic _edit function doesn't accept none well

[cobalt bone]

AH

[echo wraith]

-remindme 5d this shit

[lofty vault]

Set a reminder in 5 days from now (<t:1742760922:f>)
View reminders with the reminders command

[errant trout]

probably in some attempt to avoid using missing

but as jank as it is, it's useful

[echo wraith]

I mean if that was the goal one could have done smth like try kwargs.pop() except but that would be even weirder than MISSING imo

[errant trout]

actually eh in this instance it's unrelated to missing, you just have to add a single clause

try/except on kwargs is everywhere in the lib lol

[cobalt bone]

so actually, I'm stuck ? :')

[errant trout]

are you trying to remove the default emoji?

[cobalt bone]

yes

[echo wraith]

https://github.com/Pycord-Development/pycord/blob/46163ceeac2daea964cdd4b81505d6012c8166a1/discord/abc.py#L509

[errant trout]

if you want you could just edit the file to allow none

but eh

[cobalt bone]

but ?

[errant trout]

strictly speaking you could do a raw edit but it looks like you're doing a larger function py await bot.http.edit_channel(channel.id, default_reaction_emoji=None)

[cobalt bone]

damn

[echo wraith]

cc @cobalt bone https://github.com/Pycord-Development/pycord/pull/2739

untested tho so lmk if anything doesn't work

[errant trout]

yeah that'd fix it

[echo wraith]

Gonna test tomorrow now gn

pip install git+https://github.com/Paillat-dev/pycord.git@fix/forum-edit-no-default-emojis

I think

[cobalt bone]

gn

It must be great to work on the maintenance of a project as big as Py-cord.

[rugged wing]

I think this would constitute as basic help, so I have my bot off the ground and running, pretty basic with a self hosted mysql server for working with some data.

I currently have it joined in a main server, and also my own personal test server.

My Q:
Is there a best practice for how to handle GUILD_IDS when a bot is in multiple servers?

Like say I have guild_ids set in my slash commands for development purposes. What's the standard practice of handling that with multiple servers?

Should I just save what Guilds it joins in a table and pull those when I initiate the bot?

[echo wraith]

You can use environment variables maybe ?

[sage tendon]

You dont have to pass guild ids if you want the commands available in all servers

[lapis dock]

^^

[echo wraith]

Oh that was the question

[rugged wing]

I was under the impression you pass guild ids if you want them to update immedately, otherwise it could take 2-3 hours?

Did I misunderstand that

[lapis dock]

That is old information, now both are quick

[sage tendon]

Thats not the case anymore

was like that in the first few weeks of slash commands or so

[rugged wing]

Oh fantastic, that's useful to know

Thank you, and a follow up question.

So then lets say I want my bot to send an "Online" message to a specified channel in each of the servers it's in, it would probably make sense to store some guild_id/channel_id information in a database to handle that?

I considered environment variables, but it doesn't feel quite right.

[sage tendon]

sqlite

[rugged wing]

I am using a self hosted mysql server, but generally that seems like a resonable approach?

[sage tendon]

if you plan to have your bot added to many servers, yes
if its only ever gonna be in 2 or so servers, hardcode it, not worth the effort

[rugged wing]

Reasonable, thank you very much!

[lofty parcel]

UX wise, I wouldn't.

It'd be spammy and just unnecessary.

Users can look at the members list to see if the bot is online or just use a command.

[rugged wing]

Yeah, I decided to go with an environment variable, it's only posting that to my personal server that I'm using to develop it

Totally agree!

[lofty parcel]

Ah, thought you meant every server the bot was in.

Not just your dev server.

[rugged wing]

Well I did state it like that you're not wrong, but realistically this is being developed for my own personal community. So in practice it really will only ever see my main server, and my test server

I was just sort of feeling out generally how that might be approached if a bot may be in more than one server, but I understand now.

The biggest benefit was being able to get away from passing guild_ids into the command decorators

[lofty parcel]

You can always hardcode it

If its just 2 servers

[rugged wing]

Yeah, I do plan to chuck it on github though, so in hindsight an environment variable was always the answer 🙂

[sage tendon]

my bot on github has several hardcoded channel IDs, 10+ hardcoded roles etc lmfao

[rugged wing]

Sounds like from what I'm gathering there's nothing wrong with it

[lofty parcel]

There's nothing wrong about hardcoding IDs

Specially if its a private bot lol

[rugged wing]

I just end up overthinking things, and like to keep things clean when possible lol, plenty of over engineering for my relatively simple bot

[lapis dock]

It is still ideal to not hardcode IDs if you are trying to be super professional

[rugged wing]

Thanks for the validation Wolfy 😆

[lofty parcel]

If you wanna be super professional, encrypt and store the IDs in a database, create an API with auth, request the IDs everytime you need then, the auth changes every 2 hours. /j

[rugged wing]

I randomize all the values in my database daily to make sure no one can understand whats going on in there

Unhackable Unusable

[rugged wing]

If I am calling to a regular function that interacts with the database, say:
def add_user(user_id)

It's correct to call that function like so to prevent locking up the code, correct?
await asyncio.to_thread(add_user, user_id)

(I realize this is not a pycord library question, sorry)

[lofty parcel]

Most database motors have an async version that you can use

[rugged wing]

I am using pymysql, which I don't believe has that

I'll take a look though, thanks!

[lofty parcel]

aiomysql is the async one iirc?

Google could probably give you a better answer than me, sorry, I use mongo lol

[rugged wing]

Oh I understand

No worries, yeah I do see aiomysql

Do you think it's worth the hassle of switching over versus calling my functions with asyncio.to_thread()?

I have such little experience with asynchronous code lol

[lofty parcel]

Yeah dw

You will realize it ends up being just having to add 2 words to your current code

[rugged wing]

Which might eventually bug me enough to make the switch knowing there's an alternative

haha, appreciate the knowledge!

[little cobalt]

oh, you also use mongodb?

[lofty parcel]

Yes

[round heart]

Cc @lofty parcel

https://youtu.be/b2F-DItXtZs?feature=shared

[fresh sierra]

can we manage the post using pycord ? like edit them close them delete them etc ?

because i see we can do that with threads

[lapis dock]

Forum channel posts are threads, you should be able to manage them in the same way

[fresh sierra]

ok perfect then thanks

[echo wraith]

discord.PartialMessageable doesnt need a guild_id if working with a channel ?

[rugged lodge]

Searched in pycord

discord.Bot.get_partial_messageable
discord.ext.commands.Bot.get_partial_messageable

[somber crystal]

TypeError: View.__init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'disable_on_timeout'

    def __init__(self, user_id, interaction_user_id):
        super().__init__(timeout=5, disable_on_timeout=True)```

hi, im kinda new,  i was wondering why im getting an error here :/

[fresh sierra]

nope, message are link to the channel and not the guild

[echo wraith]

kk

[rugged lodge]

Searched in pycord

discord.ui.View
discord.ui.View.add_item
discord.ui.View.children
discord.ui.View.clear_items
discord.ui.View.disable_all_items
discord.ui.View.disable_on_timeout
discord.ui.View.enable_all_items
discord.ui.View.from_message
discord.ui.View.get_item
discord.ui.View.interaction_check
discord.ui.View.is_dispatching
discord.ui.View.is_finished
discord.ui.View.is_persistent
discord.ui.View.message
discord.ui.View.on_check_failure

[echo wraith]

hm that's weird. Can you check this ?

.tag install

[sly karma]

1. Uninstall discord.py or any other forks of discord.py you might have with the namespace discord.
python -m pip uninstall discord.py discord -y

2a. Install py-cord
python -m pip install py-cord

2b. Update py-cord
python pip install -U py-cord

Installing other builds:
Note: You need to have git installed. Use ?tag git to find out how to install git.

Updating the module to master branch (unstable):
pip install -U git+https://github.com/Pycord-Development/pycord

[somber crystal]

alrighty

[somber crystal]

wait im insanely new to pycord sry, i use app_commands
discord.py

pycord doesnt have app_commands yea

[echo wraith]

no

it doens't

[somber crystal]

rt shi

[echo wraith]

What are you trying to do ?

[somber crystal]

making a slash cmd rn

i js got pycord today

made it in dpy

[little cobalt]

https://guide.pycord.dev/interactions/application-commands/slash-commands

Here is it for py-cord

[somber crystal]

oh omg tysm

[slow gazelle]

Does anyone why this doesn't deploy slash commands correctly?

for root, _, files in os.walk("commands"):
    for file in files:
        if file.endswith(".py") and file != "__init__.py":
            cog_path = os.path.join(root, file)
            cog_path = cog_path.replace("\\", "/").replace("/", ".").replace(".py", "")
            try:
                bot.load_extension(cog_path)
                loaded_commands += 1
            except Exception as e:
                failed_commands += 1
                logger.error(f"Error al cargar el comando {cog_path}: {str(e)}")```

it's loading commands and not throwing errors, but i can only see them showing up in my main acc, not in my alt

nor my other devs

[sly karma]

Tag not found.

Did you mean...
slashnoshow
slashcmdnoshow
slash no show

[echo wraith]

.tag slashnoshow

[sly karma]

Application Commands Not Showing Up?

• Refresh Discord by restarting or pressing Ctrl+R (or Command ⌘ + R)
• Uninstall libraries that conflict with the discord namespace (e.g. discord.py).
• Invite your bot with the application.commands scope.
• Load cogs before bot.run() (e.g. not in on_ready).
• Do not override on_connect.
• Update to the newest version of py-cord (see ?tag install).
• Turn off User Settings > Accessibility > Chat Input > Use legacy chat input.
• Share your code and errors.

[sage tendon]

why such a complicated loading procedure? just do bot.load_extensions("commands"), you can replace your entire code with just that

also, I recommend against only putting one command into each cog, that'll create a big amount of cogs that might be hard to manage

well unless your commands are really, really long

[cobalt bone]

does exist an Enum class to get archive duration possibilities for Threads ?

[errant trout]

no, but docs list it under TextChannel.edit

(60, 1440, 4320, 10080)

[cobalt bone]

damn xD thanks

[marble compass]

TypeError: expected Interaction or BridgeContext, not <class 'discord.commands.context.ApplicationContext'>

[echo wraith]

Pass in ctx.interaction

[frosty ocean]

Hi, how can I allow multiple lines in a modal form?

[sage tendon]

https://docs.pycord.dev/en/stable/api/ui_kit.html#discord.ui.InputText.style
https://docs.pycord.dev/en/stable/api/enums.html#discord.InputTextStyle

[frosty ocean]

So with style=TextStyle.paragraph?

[sage tendon]

InputTextStyle, yes

[frosty ocean]

I will try it out, thank you

[frosty ocean]

I get the error NameError: name 'TextStyle' is not defined

The same also with InputTextStyle

With style=discord.InputTextStyle.paragraph, it works

[fresh sierra]

are you sure you are using pycord ?

(look to the pip list)

[sage tendon]

well... thats how you need to do it lol

do you know basic python

[frosty ocean]

I thought I could do that with a separate import of TextStyle as well

[frosty ocean]

Yes, but it works now

[sage tendon]

yea, but you imported it wrong if it doesnt

because, still, its called InputTextStyle

[fresh sierra]

oups the chat didnt fully load mb, perfect then

[marble compass]

Do I need to explicitly add a slash command group?
My regular application commands were registered automatically, but the group command wasn’t.

[little cobalt]

Was is in a cog?

than you just load the cog

[marble compass]

nah, the main file

[little cobalt]

looks fine for me

mhm

but you could try it by adding it to the bot

[marble compass]

umm sure

It gets registered only after being explicitly added.

[sage tendon]

did yo urestart discord after adding the group

[errant trout]

yes in main file, no in cogs

(for cogs, it is automatically added when the cog is loaded; there is no equivalent mechanism for that outside of cogs)

[marble compass]

yup

[quartz umbra]

hi! anybody know why this command isn't registering? Are you not able to use integrationtypes with slash command groups or am I doing it wrong?

    embed_group = discord.SlashCommandGroup("embed", "Embed commands")
    @embed_group.command(
        integration_types={
            discord.IntegrationType.guild_install,
            discord.IntegrationType.user_install
        },
        description="Create a simple embed!"
    )
    async def simple(self, ctx, description: str, title: str = None, color: discord.Color = discord.Color.blue(), thumbnail_url: str = None):   

[errant trout]

you have to set it on the group, not subcommand

...we really should remove several kwargs from subcommand decorator

[lapis dock]

^ subcommands cant have different "settings" then the base command because... discord

[quartz umbra]

alr that makes sense tho i knew i was messing smth up xD

it works thanks!

[sage tendon]

This is embed.type
but the discord docs dont say anything lol (the link is broken btw)

[lapis dock]

pretty sure discord bots only use rich, I think the other types are for discords autogeneration from links and such

[rugged lodge]

Here's the slash users example.

[lapis dock]

@void schooner ^

Just note that some information is missing when a command is invoked in a user install context, specifically a bunch of information about the guild

[void schooner]

oh, that is very simple. thanks a lot for the direct example 🙂
and i will keep the limitation in mind. Thanks for the info

Yep, now i can use it everywhere. Thanks 😊

[lapis dock]

🎉

[sonic onyx]

I haven't messed with discord bots in over a year. Can anyone tell me what this does? It's part of my initialization function.

await bot.change_presence(activity=discord.Activity(name="The Terminal.", type=discord.ActivityType.watching))

I imagine it changes the state of the bot so that it reads messages in the named channel, but I'm not sure.

[shell radish]

It sets the bot's activity (like "Listening to Spotify") to "Watching the The Terminal"

[sonic onyx]

OH. Like on the discord profile itself. Got it.

[shell radish]

yup, it's purely "cosmetic"

[sonic onyx]

don't need that lol

[sonic onyx]

In this program, what is ctx?

(yes I wrote this at some point.)

[eternal kite]

how can i set a button's value its label?

currently the self in the callback refers to the view but i have no idea how to obtain the label of the button

[fresh sierra]

interaction.data["values"] will give you the button value

[eternal kite]

oh i solved it with custom_id thx anyway

[somber crystal]

um does anyone know how to edit original message using applicationcontext? i went thru the docs but i didnt rly get it :(

[rugged lodge]

Searched in pycord

discord.Interaction.edit_original_message

[echo wraith]

This I think @somber crystal

You do ctx.interaction

to get the interaction object

[somber crystal]

ohh

i didnt know ctx.interaction is possible

i dont remember seeing it in the docs either, but lemme try

discord.errors.ApplicationCommandInvokeError: Application Command raised an exception: AttributeError: 'ApplicationContext' object has no attribute 'edit_original_response' 😭🙏 @echo wraith

[echo wraith]

You should do ctx.interaction.edit_original_message

[somber crystal]

ye thas what i did

[echo wraith]

.tag paste

[sly karma]

Please copy and paste your code here. This makes it easier for everyone helping you.

[somber crystal]

 await ctx.interaction.edit_original_response(embed=embed, view=QuizGame(ctx))```

[echo wraith]

also

[somber crystal]

oh wai

[echo wraith]

.tag autosave

[sly karma]

Tag not found.

Did you mean...
vc-autosave

[somber crystal]

response

mb

[echo wraith]

.tag vc-autosave

[sly karma]

Look at this StackOverflow post to learn how to setup auto-saving in VS Code.

[echo wraith]

It should be the same between response or message. The message one is an alias to response

[somber crystal]

oh

i have no idea why its giving an error then

[echo wraith]

can you

.tag paste

[sly karma]

Please copy and paste your code here. This makes it easier for everyone helping you.

[echo wraith]

I'll take a look

[somber crystal]

oh uh wai

await ctx.interaction.edit_original_message(embed=embed, view=QuizGame(ctx))

like thas it>

?

.tag paste await ctx.interaction.edit_original_message(embed=embed, view=QuizGame(ctx))

[sly karma]

Error

Flag 'delete' is required and missing

[echo wraith]

No

click on the link

in

[somber crystal]

oh

[echo wraith]

.tag paste

[sly karma]

Please copy and paste your code here. This makes it easier for everyone helping you.

[echo wraith]

and paste your entire file

[somber crystal]

oh ok

[somber crystal]

yep done

[echo wraith]

send the link

to the paste

[somber crystal]

https://mystb.in/ff422fa898a945667d

[sage tendon]

line 56

[echo wraith]

You can't edit the response if you never responded in the first palce

[somber crystal]

i did in another file

[echo wraith]

simply use await ctx.respond

[somber crystal]

i call this in another file

want me to paste that?

[echo wraith]

yeah

[sage tendon]

line 56

[echo wraith]

Oh bruh

no actually

[somber crystal]

https://mystb.in/250af8892981a2e204

[sage tendon]

you don't need followup.send

you can always use .respond

[echo wraith]

yeah

use .respond

[somber crystal]

oh

i thought we had to use followup after defer

[echo wraith]

it will handle everything for you

[somber crystal]

i see

[sage tendon]

and the error is STILL on line 56 in the first paste

[somber crystal]

and this stays the same i believe ?

await ctx.interaction.edit_original_message(embed=embed, view=QuizGame(ctx))

[somber crystal]

alr

[sage tendon]

yea, but I don't get why you pass ctx at all

just use the interaction you get from the button

[echo wraith]

you sure ? It's an Interacton object named ctx

[somber crystal]

oh, alr

[sage tendon]

right

don't name your variable ctx if it's not applicationcontext

[echo wraith]

also @somber crystal

    with open('cards/jobs.json', 'r') as f:
            jobs_data = json.load(f)

.tag blocking

[sly karma]

In asynchronous programming a blocking call is essentially all the parts of the function that are not await. Do not despair however, because not all forms of blocking are bad! Using blocking calls is inevitable, but you must work to make sure that you don’t excessively block functions. Remember, if you block for too long then your bot will freeze since it has not stopped the function’s execution at that point to do other things.

A common source of blocking for too long is something like time.sleep(). Don’t do that. Use asyncio.sleep() instead. Similar to this example:

# bad
time.sleep(10)

# good
await asyncio.sleep(10)

Read more

[somber crystal]

yea?

[echo wraith]

You should use something like aiofiles

[somber crystal]

oh

[echo wraith]

and do async with open

await f.read

[somber crystal]

alrr

[echo wraith]

pip install aiofiles

[sage tendon]

but yea don't name the variable ctx if it's an interaction
it'll confuse people trying to help, and it'll confuse you sooner or later

even more ideally you also typehint it as the correct thing so you get warnings if you use an attribute that doesn't exist

[somber crystal]

alr, im not using ctx

but uh await interaction.edit_original_message(embed=embed, view=QuizGame(interaction)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AttributeError: 'ApplicationContext' object has no attribute 'edit_original_message'

i am using application context in work file tho

[echo wraith]

tf

[sage tendon]

and calling it interaction

why

[echo wraith]

@somber crystal if you're using it in a slash command, call it ctx and type it as discord.ApplicationContext, if using it with buttons or other ui components, name it interaction and type it as discord.Interaction

that will help make more sense of what's going on

[somber crystal]

oh 😭😭

[echo wraith]

here it should be ctx

[somber crystal]

helpp okayy

[echo wraith]

and you should be using ctx.edit

[somber crystal]

@echo wraith @sage tendon sry for the ping
it worked ^^
tysm! 🤍

[echo wraith]

npp lmk if there's anything, happy to help

[lapis dock]

Context, for slash commands this is

[rugged lodge]

Searched in pycord

discord.ApplicationContext
discord.ApplicationContext.author
discord.ApplicationContext.bot
discord.ApplicationContext.channel
discord.ApplicationContext.channel_id
discord.ApplicationContext.cog
discord.ApplicationContext.command
discord.ApplicationContext.defer
discord.ApplicationContext.delete
discord.ApplicationContext.edit
discord.ApplicationContext.followup
discord.ApplicationContext.guild
discord.ApplicationContext.guild_id
discord.ApplicationContext.guild_locale
discord.ApplicationContext.interaction

[marble compass]

can a command option be Union[discord.Member, str] type?

[sage tendon]

No

and there's no point for that

like what do you need that for

[marble compass]

for a clash royale bot, either mention or player_tag

[sage tendon]

then just make 2 options, one for the clash royale ign and one for the discord mention ig

[marble compass]

yeah that is the only option now

[errant trout]

i'd personally opt for autocomplete but yeah that works

or prompt them to mention inside the string option and parse through discord.utils.raw_mentions

[marble compass]

That should work better, thanks!

Edit: can't get members in autocomplete, tried using discord.ext.commands.Converter too

I will just use the 2 options

[void schooner]

discord.ApplicationContext.respond has the same params as discord.ApplicationContext.send_response?
doesn't seem to have anything here: https://docs.pycord.dev/en/stable/api/application_commands.html#discord.ApplicationContext.respond

Also if I am just sending back a string or a file attachment, is it better practice to use send_response?

[errant trout]

just use respond, it handles all cases

[lofty vault]

Reminder for @echo wraith

Reminder from YAGPDB

this shit

[echo wraith]

already fixed

[void schooner]

Marvelous. Thanks

[sonic onyx]

How do I get the discord ID of the person using the slash command?

[little cobalt]

with .id

[sage tendon]

ctx.author.id

check the docs

[sonic onyx]

alr got it. i was using .id on the wrong thing

Well, making the balance command wasn't that difficult

[void schooner]

async def resumake(ctx, file: discord.Attachment, filename: str = "resume"):
    await ctx.defer()
    await file.save(f"{filename}.yaml")
    await generate_resume(filename)
    await ctx.respond(file=discord.File(f"{filename}.pdf"))

this already works, so didn't think of separately posting in #969574202413838426 . just wondering if the series of await function calls is bad practice, or normal?

[sage tendon]

its fine

[void schooner]

Marvelous. Thanks

[sonic onyx]

Is this good practice?

[lapis dock]

No, you are right, with open would be better

[void schooner]

yeah but i wasn't sure where 😅 like, maybe not inside try. some parts of the except block feel like they should be done a bit differently

[lapis dock]

with open(...) as file:
  file.read()
  file.write(...)

No need for close as the context manager does that for you

[sage tendon]

hardcoded file path....

your database is text files? lmao

why dont you just use sqlite or something

then you dont have to deal with manually wrangling text files

[void schooner]

we actually discussed that #general message

[lapis dock]

Bare except is very bad, please dont do that 🙏

[sage tendon]

This is like really bad practice

[lapis dock]

Yeah, we talked about that yesterday, they had their reasons and had thought about the alternatives already

[sage tendon]

there is no reason to do that

none

and as a helper i feel obligated to be a bit harsher and say they will absolutely regret doing it like this later, its way too error-prone and complicated, and also slow!

[sonic onyx]

It's very low traffic.

[lapis dock]

I would personally change the flow to open the file as rw and check if it is empty rather than a try/except

[sage tendon]

sqlite would still be miles easier than manually wrangling text files

it's literally easier

[void schooner]

on second thought, even JSON/CSV may be better than this

[sonic onyx]

Wdym by this

[void schooner]

except: should be like except FileNotFoundError as e: and then you have the error context in e

[lapis dock]

You can specify what kind of error type the except will catch ^

[sonic onyx]

Ohh I see

[lapis dock]

Otherwise it eats all error, even ones that you did not intend to catch

[sage tendon]

and why while 1:

[void schooner]

C habits ig. but yeah, use while True

[sonic onyx]

I do a majority of everything with C followed by C++

[sonic onyx]

oh lol. True isn't even a term in C

[void schooner]

well... welcome to python ig 🙂

[sonic onyx]

It seems like i'm trying to catch IOError?

[sage tendon]

wait.. when is that else clause even being entered?? else after a try-except?

[sonic onyx]

else is not entered until open(file, r) runs without error

[lapis dock]

with open(...) as file:
  read file
if file is empty:
  balance = 0
else:
  balance = int(file contents)
print(balance)

This approach would avoid the try/except and the while loop

[sage tendon]

why are so many people so against even just sqlite

[lapis dock]

You can put else on a few different things in python, for loops for example

[sage tendon]

tf
and when is that entered?

[nocturne jewel]

is anyone getting random Shard ID None heartbeat blocked for more than 830 seconds? I didn't get any issue for the past year and now i am getting this (the bot is in just one server)

well, there's a blocking code but it still the same code in the past year

[lapis dock]

When the for loop exits cleanly without using break iirc

[sage tendon]

your bot has been stuck for over 10 minutes lol

[sonic onyx]

"File is empty" will be true if the file doesn't exist?

[lapis dock]

That is pseudocode btw, not valid python
When you open a file with rw as the mode, I think it creates the file if it does not exists

[lapis dock]

No

[sonic onyx]

is rw read/write mode in one?

[lapis dock]

yeah

[sage tendon]

you could / should use mode x when creating the file

if you really wanna keep doing text files lol

[sonic onyx]

alr imma try rewriting it a bit to be less convoluted

[nocturne jewel]

wtf how is that possible

[sage tendon]

i mean you said yourself you have blocking code

[sonic onyx]

I need to initialize it with a zero though, don't I?

Otherwise the file would instead be blank

[sage tendon]

no idea if you can do it while creating the file with x, but if not, just do it right after

[sonic onyx]

and cause errors if I try to do operations with its read values

[lapis dock]

A new file will just by an empty string, you should check if it is blank and then defualt it to 0 if it is

[nocturne jewel]

yeah but i didn't get any issue in the past year so it's really really strange

[sage tendon]

restart the bot and see if it still happens

[sonic onyx]

Why is if-except-else considered bad?

[little cobalt]

At the bot?

[sage tendon]

Honestly what I find a bit weird about it is that you're trying to make a self-fixing loop
Like if it fails it fixes it and then on the next loop its (hopefully) in working order

[sonic onyx]

There is a big problem with the except in my case where the exception isn’t specified.

[sage tendon]

then make another one as a catch-all that aborts it

[sonic onyx]

But it seemed like people were saying the concept of using if-except to catch the file read error is bad idea

[sonic onyx]

Yeah. Have the except [specific] catch file read error, then except [unspecified] print an error and exit the loop

[sage tendon]

try:
    ...
except specific-exception:
    ....
except:
    <abort, clearly bigger error happening>

oh wait you have that already

yea

[errant trout]

while it isn't inherently wrong to use try-except, it is generally better to avoid the error in the first place

i.e. check if the file exists with a more appropriate method

[sonic onyx]

Is it not one of the fastest methods to check though?

[sage tendon]

why wait for an error if you can avoid it altogether

[errant trout]

i'm just speaking in a general sense, if you prefer to use try-except then it's not like we can stop you

[sonic onyx]

That’s a good point.

[errant trout]

if you want to scope your exception down, it's FileNotFoundError

otherwise, os.path.isfile(path) will return a bool for whether the file exists

[sonic onyx]

Thank you for this.

[sonic onyx]

how do you declare a command that ends up looking like this?

[little cobalt]

you mean with the space at it?

[sonic onyx]

mostly the specific argument

I want my next command to only take another user then an integer as its arguments, but I'm not sure how to do that with the neat discord integration as shown

[little cobalt]

name: int

[sonic onyx]

wouldn't that then require people to enter the discord ID of the user?

most of the documentation I can find refers to prefixed commands

I tried CheckBalance(ctx, target: discord.Member) but it doesn't run

[sonic onyx]

I got it to work.

Unrelated issue was breaking it. I had the name string start with a capital letter, which broke my program lol

[little cobalt]

oh you want a user, so yea, it would be user: discord.Member

[sonic onyx]

where can I find the list of other member functions like .id?

[little cobalt]

go the docs and search for discord.Member

[lofty parcel]

.rtfm discord.Member

[sly karma]

101 total results

discord.Member
discord.Member.accent_color
discord.Member.accent_colour
discord.Member.activities
discord.Member.activity
discord.Member.add_roles
discord.Member.avatar
discord.Member.ban
discord.Member.banner
discord.Member.bot
discord.Member.can_send
discord.Member.color
discord.Member.colour
discord.Member.communication_disabled_until
discord.Member.create_dm
discord.Member.created_at
discord.Member.default_avatar
discord.Member.desktop_status
discord.Member.discriminator
discord.Member.display_avatar

[little cobalt]

or like that, the first one

[sonic onyx]

Found it in the docs. Is global name the username#1111?

I see that there's name, global name, and local name

[little cobalt]

That got removed at discord or can you still get that?

the # stuff

[sonic onyx]

oh, right

I thought I saw local name, but i guess its just name and global name

so I'm guessing global is the username

[lofty parcel]

.name is the username

.global_name is the name

[eternal kite]

how can i check if a user can view a channel?

[sonic onyx]

If I wanted your name, for example, which would give me dark.py

[lofty parcel]

discord.Member.name would give you dark.py

[sonic onyx]

alr thanks

[lofty parcel]

discord.Member.global_name would give you Dark

[lofty parcel]

Use the permissions_for method

Then check for read_messages attr which is a bool

[nimble matrix]

Searched in pycord

discord.TextChannel.permissions_for

[eternal kite]

alr thx

[sonic onyx]

I'm guessing its more efficient to use ctx.author.id once and store it in a local variable than it is to call ctx.author.id every time I need it in command. Would that be true?

[lofty parcel]

Whatever works

You'd be using another variable for nothing really

[sonic onyx]

Both work, I'm just wondering what is more efficient.

even if the effect is miniscule

[lapis dock]

Both are just looking at a value. That level of efficiency is generally not worth looking into.

[sonic onyx]

So once discord.Member is passed as an argument, its already a stored structure variable?

[lapis dock]

Not sure what that means but the efficency is so small I am not even sure if it is reliable

I did a quick test and you are on the scale of 7 nano second difference between the 2. That is 7 billionths of a second.

[sonic onyx]

Ok so there's essentially no difference.

[sonic onyx]

discord.Member is likely a structure. I'm guessing when its passed as an argument, a copy of the whole Member structure is being passed. Therefore, Member.id is actually a variable already.

Member:
id: ....
name: ....
....

The fact that the difference is so small means that .id only accesses a variable that already exists within that structure and nothing else

[lapis dock]

Not sure what a structure is, but the terminology I am familiar with is that you are getting an instance of the Member class.

[sonic onyx]

sorry, structs are at least what they're called in C++

Python likely names them differently

[lapis dock]

Because you are learning python I would recommend the python discord. They have a bunch of people who are way more experienced than me and can answer those specific, non-discord related, questions better.

[sly karma]

The Python Discord is an un-official server for anything Python related. For general Python help please use this server. Note: There is no official Python Discord server.

https://discord.gg/python

[sonic onyx]

How do I make my bot actually ping people by name? I can only seem to get this

[errant trout]

if you have the user object, user.mention

otherwise, format it as <@user_id>

[sage tendon]

it's classes / objects like in every language beside C lol, and they're very different

if you never worked with proper classes and objects before please look into it

[sage tendon]

You really don't need to worry about stuff like this, especially in python lol

and I mean what's the difference, you're accessible a variable either way, the only difference is that you need like 32 bit more RAM to store the id in another variable

And in compiled languages, the compiler will take your code apart to optimise it to hell and back anyway

[somber crystal]

        result.save(buffer, format='PNG')
        buffer.seek(0)
        RC_file = discord.File(buffer, filename='rosebot_huntRC.png')
        await interaction.message.edit(
            content=f"{interaction.user.mention} Hunted **{card_name}** | {card_series} - {ctier}",
            view=self,
            attachments=[RC_file] 
        )```

`AttributeError: 'File' object has no attribute 'to_dict'`
any idea why im getting this error?
im p sure RC_file is valid discord.file

[sage tendon]

file=RC_file

[somber crystal]

oh, but arent we supposed to use attachments when editing message

lemme try

[sage tendon]

No

this is only if you want to remove some or all attachments

[somber crystal]

ohhhhh

omg im stupid, tysm i got it 😭🙏

[somber crystal]

sorry for the ping, do you know how we can remove the file?
file=None doesnt work
how do i clear the file

[echo wraith]

attachments=[]

I think

to clear the files

[somber crystal]

i see

[echo wraith]

when editing

[somber crystal]

alrighty lemme try

[somber crystal]

oh yess it worked tymsms 💗

[echo wraith]

npp

[sage tendon]

https://docs.pycord.dev/en/stable/api/models.html#discord.Message.edit

please read

[sonic onyx]

Structs in C++ are objects

[sage tendon]

yea but.... meh

[sonic onyx]

And the fundamental behavior in question does turn out to be almost identical

C on the other hand does not have objects

[void schooner]

modern C++ has proper classes and objects tho, not just structs. In Python you can also have dataclasses and namedtuples that can be used for dot-notation accessing, if you don't want to write a bunch of code to make full classes (i highly recommend dataclasses; very similar to structs, and very flexible)

[void schooner]

as for this, one takes up more time, another takes up more space, i'm guessing? so pick your 🐟 ||(wordplay: poison/poisson (fish))||

[echo wraith]

Guys we're talking about python lol

[sonic onyx]

I don’t think so, based on my reading. Since author.id is already a member of an existing object that has been copied, it’s essentially being defined twice if you also assign it a second variable

I only do so for code readability if anything

[void schooner]

the guy's into embedded dev (maybe wants to do MicroPython/CircuitPython later), so good to keep these in mind ig. but ye, i wouldn't bother with performance this much :v

[sonic onyx]

It’s really interesting how everything is so certain things are setup in Python vs C/C++, like for loops

[void schooner]

wait till you see for loops in Go :3

[sage tendon]

they're like at the complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of high and low levelness

[sonic onyx]

for x in A:
as compared to
for (int i = 0, i < MAX, i++) {}

Java is actually the first language I learned a bit of years ago and this feels like going back to a better form of that

[void schooner]

In Python we could also do: for i in range(0, max_i, 1): if we want to :3 (but no one wants to)

[sage tendon]

in range(5) works too

[sonic onyx]

Hm, though it’s not really necessary in as many cases as in C. Trying to brute force C into python isn’t gonna make me a good python programmer

[void schooner]

Ye, but it’s good to know the existence of the step argument

[echo wraith]

Yeah ofc

Didn't know about CircuitPython

[void schooner]

Neither is performance thinking, if I’m being honest… not at this stage

[sonic onyx]

Performance is always important to consider. Maybe not for something as low impact as what I was talking about

[sage tendon]

its python

[sonic onyx]

But if it were the case that author.id needed to be retrieved from somewhere across a network and I was calling it multiple times, that would be a significant waste of resources

And time

[void schooner]

Performance is never important to consider unless it’s obviously bad practice (like quadruple-nested loops), or if it’s something that is actually impacting the program’s ability to do its work

Premature optimization is the bane of good software

[sage tendon]

thats also a bad mindset lol

[sonic onyx]

Understanding what methods are faster than another method helps to avoid performance issues in the future. Sure, if you don’t know how to do it anymore efficiently, then it is what it is.

One of the reasons so many programs that we use are so unoptimized is because no one bothers and assumes the hardware will surpass the needs, and it’s quite bothersome.

Because that’s a huge issue I run into with newer applications on slightly older devices. Efficiency has gone out the window for a lot of applications now.

[void schooner]

"We should forget about small efficiencies, say about 97% of the time: premature optimization is the root of all evil. Yet we should not pass up our opportunities in that critical 3%"
— Donald Knuth
from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_optimization#When_to_optimize

[void schooner]

certainly i agree. just not about trivial matters like this

[sage tendon]

"small efficiencies"

doesnt mean to never consider performance

[void schooner]

correct

[void schooner]

as i mentioned here as well (if one reads beyond the first 6 words...)

[sonic onyx]

Oh yea, obviously. My question about whether to use a variable or just call .id each time came from the fact that I didn’t know what .id was.

[void schooner]

ah. the term for that is attribute of an object/instance, in OOP languages like Java/Python

[sonic onyx]

Now that I realize it’s just grabbing an attribute, I can understand why it makes almost no difference

[void schooner]

makes sense

[sonic onyx]

But in most projects, not all inefficiencies are the same. I can already see that that slowest part of my program is likely opening text files.

The rest is basically inconsequential when it comes to efficiency right now

Also, does anyone know how I’d make a command that works only once a day for that user?

[void schooner]

File I/O and Networking are almost always the bottlenecks

I wonder if SQLite would fare better 🤔

[sonic onyx]

SQLite installs itself to your device, right?

[void schooner]

SQLite is just reading from a DB file. unlike other SQL variants, SQLite doesn't need a server or anything too "involved". and Python stdlib comes with an SQLite interface built-in. all you have to do is just import it and use it

[sonic onyx]

I’m not opposed to using it, I just want to come up with my own system as practice, even if I lose efficiency. If I do anything larger, I’ll definitely consider a better solution

[lofty parcel]

I didn't know sqlite was in the standard python

[void schooner]

i was mistaken. edited. you do need to install the SQLite C libs (if they don't already come preinstalled on your system; at least on macOS/Linux it likely does). but Python comes with the interface built-in: https://docs.python.org/3/library/sqlite3.html

[sonic onyx]

I’m finding it difficult to come up with a daily and weekly command that doesn’t rely on that program to run continuously during the cooldown

[lofty parcel]

Then you need a database

[sonic onyx]

Surely I could save the time and day it would be done to my machine and run a comparison, but is that the best way of doing it?

[void schooner]

half of the replies to Mr. Klunk are either "don't worry about this in Python" and "Use a database" XD

[sonic onyx]

grrr I’ll make my own database

[lofty parcel]

I mean it's a db or a json file if you want it for the laugh

[void schooner]

the code is trivial. you can literally just read it and understand what's going on... source of Python stdlib SQLite module: https://github.com/python/cpython/tree/3.13/Lib/sqlite3

[void schooner]

or CSV 😏

[sonic onyx]

Genuinely though, making databases is likely something im going to do quite a bit so its good to get some practice on a problem that I don’t have a time restriction for

[void schooner]

Python has very good support for SQLite, JSON, and CSV. would be really good to use any of those (but especially SQLite, in this case)

[void schooner]

that's fair too

also just so you know, SQLite is used in embedded systems quite a bit, since it's written in C (thus fast), lightweight (small memory/storage footprint), and serverless (thus easy to work with)

[sonic onyx]

The only thing that bothers me is the question of organization. So I already have an organized folder of text files with the balances of people who use my bot. That’s simple enough.

But to create a cooldown for a command that will be different for each person depending on when they use the command, I need a similarly large assortment of storage.

[void schooner]

similarly large assortment of storage
... we... have a word for that... XD

[void schooner]

can explain the cooldown mechanic a bit? i think i'm not quite getting it

[fresh sierra]

there is a build it method about those cooldown in case you dont know

[sonic onyx]

You use the command at 11 am. It does it’s effect. You cannot use it again until 11am tomorrow. It will not give its effect again until that time

[sonic onyx]

I did NOT know

[fresh sierra]

there is dynamic cooldown you should take a look

[void schooner]

Ah, just store last invoked time alongside the value. Use the CSV module

[fresh sierra]

https://docs.pycord.dev/en/stable/ext/commands/api.html#discord.ext.commands.dynamic_cooldown

[sonic onyx]

how do I find it?

oh thanks

[void schooner]

Oh nice. That’s even better

[sonic onyx]

And there we get our max efficiency lol

[sage tendon]

tf

What's with everyone avoiding sqlite or in memory storage like it's lava

[echo wraith]

Lmao

[fresh sierra]

.

[sage tendon]

there's a thin line between that and reinventing the wheel

[fresh sierra]

i mean if he wants to that's on him, considering that in his futur where memory and libs will be tight that's normal

[eternal kite]

wait why am i getting rate limited out of a sudden

is it because my users are spamming commands or smth?

[frail basin]

Are you using a shared hosting service?

[eternal kite]

nope

[sage tendon]

never seen that before lol

usually Pycord handles rate limits
what are you doing, clearly you're doing something way more than usual

[eternal kite]

wth

nah

my bot is running fine since 2021

it's just that my bot users has increased by a lot lately

[sage tendon]

do you edit channels or stuff a lot

[sage tendon]

so you're running it on your own server or something

[eternal kite]

vps

[sage tendon]

could be it if the hoster uses the same IP for multiple servers

[eternal kite]

so far from what i can see in the error logs, it's just sending messages to a logging channel, and updating the bot's nickname

[eternal kite]

no

[errant trout]

is that the full error

[eternal kite]

there are multiple errors

[sage tendon]

show them all

[errant trout]

it would help to see anything related, it's pretty hard to get that message specifically because the library tries to handle ratelimits so you managed to do something very wrong

[sage tendon]

btw does it do that even if you send raw requests?

[errant trout]

yeah

[sage tendon]

sidenote consider updating your python, 3.9 becomes EOL this year iirc

[errant trout]

oh that one is assuming you may have been temp banned by cloudflare, not discord

because typically 429s are handled differently

[eternal kite]

any syntax or major changes from the new version?

[sage tendon]

no clue what happened to 3.10

[eternal kite]

huh what caused it

[sage tendon]

im always on latest lol

[errant trout]

https://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.10.html#porting-to-python-3-10

[errant trout]

idk that's between you and them lol, it'll probably go away after some time

how many users/guilds is it in?

[eternal kite]

400 guilds?

400+

maybe

[errant trout]

hmmm

realistically you should be fine until the mid thousands

[eternal kite]

but it's an economy bot so players are spamming different commands every second

[errant trout]

that'd do it

is it over prefix commands?

[eternal kite]

uh

wdym

slash commands obviously

[errant trout]

does your bot use slash commands mainly

[sage tendon]

shouldn't be an issue if it's all regular slash commands though

[errant trout]

ok that's fine

[edgy nest]

since that looks like error logs i would suggest fixing the errors

[errant trout]

yeah

[edgy nest]

that would likely mitigate your issue

[errant trout]

it seems like you have errors being spammed?

[eternal kite]

yup but it sends messages occasionally

[errant trout]

i mean the messages themselves aren't necessarily a problem

[eternal kite]

the error is raised by 429

[edgy nest]

you may also just be performing some action repeatedly very often

[eternal kite]

and so it can't send messages to the channel due to being ratelimited

[sage tendon]

so you have an infinite error loop?

[edgy nest]

any member roles or anything?

[eternal kite]

and it raises the error again

[edgy nest]

dms?

[errant trout]

the thing is that interactions have a significantly higher ratelimit, in normal usage you would never get ratelimited

[eternal kite]

yeah kinda but im not seeing any error messages in the log channel

[sage tendon]

yea maybe just abort the error handler when it's a 429 so it doesn't loop on itself lol

[eternal kite]

nope

[sage tendon]

I think you constantly spam the API trying to log an error, get another error, etc

[eternal kite]

weird

[eternal kite]

yeah good idea i'll do that

[sage tendon]

of course that can't be the root issue but yea

[eternal kite]

but the channel isn't sending any message

[sage tendon]

yea but it's still constantly trying to send it no?

[errant trout]

not quite

any api action -> 429 unique case where it stops

[eternal kite]

yes but no

[sage tendon]

hm
well either way it can't be the root cause so maybe fix that later lol

[eternal kite]

this is the whole error

i mean it's just a part of the whole error log

[errant trout]

did you ever set up the logging module

[eternal kite]

wdym abt that

oh

[errant trout]

https://docs.pycord.dev/en/master/logging.html

[eternal kite]

nope but is it mandatory?

[errant trout]

no, but that gives details on ratelimits

[edgy nest]

the only way to really fix your problem is guess at what you're doing thats getting you ratelimited

[errant trout]

from the sounds of it, you've been exceeding ratelimits the entire time and only now discord's being harsher on you

[eternal kite]

right

[edgy nest]

anything in your bot that does a lot of fetch actions?

[eternal kite]

so far it's just the sending message and nick editing requests

[eternal kite]

like what kind?

get_channel?

[edgy nest]

or perhaps something where your bot is lacking permissions but tries anyways?

[edgy nest]

fetch_member would be a main culprit usually

[eternal kite]

yes i think that's the reason

[edgy nest]

or just any other discord actions

[eternal kite]

my bot is lacking permissions in some server and it's trying to send messages and editing nickname repeatedly whenever they use a command

[errant trout]

at the very least if you set the loglevel to WARNING it'll become very obvious what you're doing wrong, but yeah if you're aware of anything that might be spamming the api then deal with it

[eternal kite]

nope

[sage tendon]

do any of you know if editing the bots nickname is particularly strictly limited

[errant trout]

they probably mean user nickname?

[edgy nest]

i would suggest checking permissions before trying to do anything, otherwise look for anything that might happen extremely often and try to downsize that

[sage tendon]

not always easily possible tho, permission checking sucks

[edgy nest]

especially stuff like sending a channel message every command, if they're being used that often

[edgy nest]

guild.me.permissions.change_nickname?

[sage tendon]

hm okay yea I was more thinking like send message permissions

like even .can_send sucks

[eternal kite]

yeah but attempting to send message to a channel shouldn't be ratelimited right? unless it's different if it's trying to send a message but it fails?

[edgy nest]

i myself have been ratelimited for sending way too many messages

[eternal kite]

oh i remember before this happens the error logs is showing guild.me is None

[sage tendon]

what

[eternal kite]

i have no idea too

[edgy nest]

is your bot a user-installable app?

[eternal kite]

guild.me just returns None

[eternal kite]

no

[edgy nest]

do you have member intents enabled?

[eternal kite]

yes

[sage tendon]

you need member intents to get your own member object? hm

[errant trout]

nah

[eternal kite]

guild.me only returns None in certain guilds

works fine in my official server and most servers

i ignored that tho

[edgy nest]

probably check Interaction.app_permissions then, i think it includes guild level permissions

[errant trout]

please stop ignoring your errors 😅

[edgy nest]

guild.me being none is weird though

[eternal kite]

[eternal kite]

they wasn't fatal and i was lazy

[errant trout]

and look where you are now !!

[edgy nest]

anyways best thing you can do right now is try and change something and then wait it out

[eternal kite]

[edgy nest]

(turn your bot off so it doesn't keep sending requests!)

[errant trout]

yeah too late to unratelimit yourself lol

[eternal kite]

discord shut it down two hours ago

[errant trout]

set up logging as outlined here, it'll help

[sage tendon]

honestly what I'd do right now is make a new bot, run it with the new token, and debug from there

rate limits are kinda random

[eternal kite]

and now it's back up

[errant trout]

well

[sage tendon]

discord can't turn off your bot lol

[errant trout]

they can kill your token

it absolutely happens

[sage tendon]

yes but the process

[errant trout]

most bots will shutdown after a fatal error like that

[edgy nest]

they only do that for gateway login stuff i think

[eternal kite]

idk it's suddenly down and my discord are full of pings

[errant trout]

nah ik because it's happened to me before

[edgy nest]

mm

[sage tendon]

the bot account or the actual process

[eternal kite]

the bot is off

[edgy nest]

if its still running it will try and send requests to discord even if its ratelimited

so you should stop it

[eternal kite]

i think it's something to do with my hosting service

[edgy nest]

could be

[sage tendon]

that's on you then lol
nothing from Discord's side can kill your process

[edgy nest]

what service do you use?

[eternal kite]

if it's getting too much error it will crash the process

[errant trout]

eh

[eternal kite]

railway.app

[errant trout]

oh

[edgy nest]

that

[errant trout]

well

ok

[edgy nest]