gritty bolt
Tyler activates Gold-Baited Hook. Tyler attacks Nic with Golden Tipple. Nic plays Ripple Away as an instant in response to Golden Tipple's ability. During the ability's resolution, Tyler discards a yellow card. The Golden Tipple hits. How many gold are generated, one or none?
Will the Golden Tipple have two abilities to create gold, one on the attack and another after hitting Ripple Away apply for both triggers?
lavish plover
Tyler creates zero gold tokens, I believe
craggy anvil
correct
twin citrus
Yeah, I think that's correct. Ripple Away's replacement effect applies to each event where tokens would be created by action cards this turn.
Gold-Baited Hook doesn't have a token-creating ability itself- it gives that ability to the Tipple. So that is still an action card creating tokens.
Golden Tipple would create a gold when its attack trigger resolves (during the attack step), and then again when its hit trigger resolves (during the damage step). Both of these events would be replaced by Ripple.
weary osprey
What if the gold-baited hook was activated and then an ally was attacked with? I assume it’s the same interaction but would like to be sure before Kansas.
Would the gold still be prevented bc the ally is an action card that gained the on-hit or is there an attack proxy for the ally that isn’t an action card?
craggy anvil
believe the answer we settled on is the gold creation isn't affected
weary osprey
Dang, I thought because of rules 7.2.4a and 2.5.1a the ally would still be an action card that ripple away sees. I’m glad I asked before finding out in game. Thank you
weary osprey
Actually, looking at 7.2.4a and the reasoning for reaching that conclusion I’m not actually sure. The reasoning in the previous post refers to the attack proxy a lot and 7.2.4a says that the ally itself moves onto the chain as attacking and not that an attack proxy is made.
lavish plover
the ally only "becomes attacking" but the attack itself is still the attack-proxy
weary osprey
Nvm, I wasn’t considering the ally attack as a non-card object attack ability. I see that as a non-card object it makes an attack proxy
I don’t quite see where allies are non-card objects but I can look more thoroughly after work.
craggy anvil
so allies are cards, but when they attack they create an attack-proxy that gains the effect and that proxy isn't a card
weary osprey
I’m just confused as to the inclusion of attacking objects in 1.2.2d and 7.2.4a implying that the living object itself is attacking as an ‘attack object’ and not a generated attack-proxy as there is with weapons.
The inclusion of 7.2.4a separate from 7.2.3b seems to imply that the ally becomes attacking as the active-attack and not a generated proxy.
There is no similar ruling referring to when a weapon attacks. The weapons attack-proxy becomes the active-attack and that attack-proxy is considered attacking on the chain link. Not the weapon itself. 7.2.4a says that the living object becomes attacking implying that it is the active-attack rather than an attack proxy