#[Custom Cards] [Hypothetical] Can multiple replacement effects trigger when both triggers are met?

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sacred fox
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I'm not sure if the title is exactly what I am asking about, but I am making a custom cube with 4 elements. I want to get wording correct, and make sure the cards work the way I want. I have the following two cards:

Elemental Guardian Hero
Essence of Fire and Ice
The first time each turn during an opponent's action phase you would create one or more Frostbite or Scalding tokens under their control, instead create that many plus one.

Elemental Guardian Defense Reaction
Fire and/or Ice Fusion
If this was fused with a Fire card, create a Scalding token under the attacking hero's control.
If this was fused with an Ice card, create a Frostbite token under the attacking hero's control.

If the Guardian plays this defense reaction and fuses with both fire and ice, would the opponent get two Frostbite and two Scalding tokens?

stiff rampart
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Not the way you've written the defense reaction; resolution effects on cards are processed in the order in which they're written, one at a time. Your hero says "the first time each turn", and thus the opponent would get two Scalding and one Frostbite.

sacred fox
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Ah, I see. I was wondering jf both triggers happen simultaneously.

stiff rampart
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non-attack action cards with effects, the effects aren't triggers and don't create their own layers

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they're resolution effects, and they resolve as one layer, the card's own layer

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I don't think you'd rewrite the DR, I think the hero would have to say something like

The first time... one or more frostbite, instead create that many plus one.
The first time... one or more scalding, instead create that many plus one.

sacred fox
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While that way would work then for this DR, it does change the functionality, and makes for more text. Unless it happens on one source like this, I do want it to be the hero as written.

agile phoenix
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That event effects create that many f or s plus one instead

sacred fox
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So, does this work?
The first time each turn a source you control would create one or more Frostbite or Scalding tokens under an opposing hero's control during their action phase, instead creates that many Frostbite or Scalding tokens plus one.

stiff rampart
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No, that's the same effects with extra words

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"whenever the first card you play during each of your opponent's turns creates a Frostbite or Scorched token, instead it creates that many plus one" would work

sacred fox
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So, I'm just confused on what a source is defined as. Sorry, it's not clicking yet. I thought the source was the DR, and not each triggered effect on the DR, no? Each statement on the DR is it's own source?

stiff rampart
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The DR is one source, with two effects that happen sequentially

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When your DR makes a Scalding token, that's the first time that card or source would make a Scalding or Frostbite

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When your DR makes a Frostbite, that's the second time that card or source would make a Scalding or Frostbite, so the hero effect has already been satisfied