off-topic

[daring pebble]

Pretty much what I'm doing lmao

[tame tinsel]

Whole marvel universe in it

[daring pebble]

That was just annoying tbh

[jade mauve]

the game that made the rock famous?

[daring pebble]

Ya also they made John wick halo many games and movies inspired from fortnite

[jade mauve]

ikr they even made a 700 episode anime called naruto,from the skin

[snow yarrow]

There are two kinds of people: people who chat in #general-discussion and people who communicate in #off-topic (chads)

[daring pebble]

Exxxactly

[jade mauve]

cant wait for the fortnite + fromsoftware crossover

[rustic pecan]

Need that, but I fear it will be canon

[daring pebble]

Omg lmao what dark souls skin would they put in game haha

[snow yarrow]

Solaire

[jade mauve]

jokes aside lautrec skin would be sick

[snow yarrow]

They'd probably add the most iconic characters

But yikes fortnite

[jade mauve]

no fortnite best game ever

[daring pebble]

Fortnite is one of the games ever made

[snow yarrow]

😠 no!!

[daring pebble]

Can't wait for the day fortnite comes out with dark souls skin then big fromsoft game gets put out and kids are like omg look thats the guy from fortnite 😂

[jade mauve]

god i hope not

imagine quelaag cranking 90s tho

[daring pebble]

Hahahahahaha I'd rock thay skin

[jade mauve]

rocking the curse rotted greatwood skin

[daring pebble]

Stop lmao

I mean your pretty much groot at that point

[tame tinsel]

Rocking that gwyndolin fortnite porn

[mental sun]

delete your discord account

[jade mauve]

one reborn skin better

[foggy charm]

🧐

[unreal breach]

why'd you have to put fortnite in there

[tame tinsel]

For the graphics

[lean parcel]

epicoo

[sturdy sapphire]

epicardo

[lean parcel]

ebic

[vivid fulcrum]

U got that link dawg? 👀 just so I don’t accidentally find it

[woeful egret]

Yeah same. For research purposes. My friend needs it

[gentle kernel]

Asylum Demon battle pass skin

[tame tinsel]

Smough armor set

[light field]

What are the games that have free online like fortnite

[zenith rune]

splitgate is fun

[light field]

Ok

Does rdr2 have a money cap

With all theese useless updates that boost money someone has to reach a cap eventually

People trash on ps3

Its the bridge between consoles and people act like anything under 4k 60fps is unplayable sometimes

[unreal breach]

it doesn't have to be 4k but anything not 60fps feels like ass

[light field]

Yep

i will take something over 40ish

[untold light]

I wonder what motivated the move to 60 FPS options on consoles. I think part of it was the increasing ability to have a good looking game not be that big of a deal to get running on something not top of the line at 1080/1440p.

[urban flower]

I'm so excited for the game awards!!!

I'm hoping for more Elden Ring info and maybe premium collectors edition drop, Sonic 2 movie info and maybe new game, BOTW2 trailer, title, and actual release date, and maybe just maybe some Silent Hill news.

[rustic pecan]

Thursday, game awards 🍻

[mental sun]

when r they

[urban flower]

8pm EST on Dec 9th

[foggy charm]

The Game Awards kick off on <t:1639098000:F>

[opal bay]

did they change the time? i thought it was earlier last years

[granite topaz]

It’s 7:30pm

By the time they actually start it will probably be 8pm though

[urban flower]

Ah, thank you!!! Probably a good idea to join a bit early too.

[jade mauve]

aw hell nah its at 3am

[rustic pecan]

9am

[sturdy sapphire]

2am crap

[rustic pecan]

Sad

[stable parrot]

Game awards, I hope there's some Elden Ring News!

[urban flower]

So I'm apparently going to be partaking in a white elephant gift thing. Anyone have any funny but work appropriate ideas for a 10 dollar gift?

[noble kite]

a box of batteries with a tag attached saying “Gift not included”

[urban flower]

Lolol good one!

[smoky sand]

Oh for fu#k sakes

[urban flower]

Dang

[smoky sand]

The Mincing Mockingbird Guide to Troubled Birds is a good gift

[weary silo]

Did your message get sent into the shadow realm by Marika or smth?

[smoky sand]

It's the origin of those painted images of birds with quotes like "I took a calculated risk, but boy am I bad at math"

"I'd sell your soul to the devil for one corn chip" etc etc

I've given out like 5 for christmas and most people enjoy it

[urban flower]

Oh my gosh I googled it this is amazing

[smoky sand]

All amazing images, very powerful

[stable parrot]

some good blu-ray movies at walmart are around 10$.

[lean parcel]

i love weed

[vagrant flare]

Has anyone here played STALKER

[sturdy sapphire]

Not yet but it's on my list!

[smoky sand]

Get out of here stalker

or more accurately "Git oot af 'ere, Stokir"

[maiden isle]

Yes

[stable parrot]

so does anyone know, or think the rumor that there is an open Demo going to be announced is true?

[smoky sand]

They have NEVER done that before

But they also have been putting actual effort into marketing and giving us information, so it's not impossible, and from a marketing standpoint it would make sense

[stable parrot]

they also have never had a year delay of a game either!

[smoky sand]

They have delayed games before, and ER was only delayed by like..two months

BB was delayed by a month I recall? I don't remember I didn't play at launch

[weary silo]

Would it? They had one already, why would they have another

[stable parrot]

not true, Elden Ring was expected June this year homie!

unless you forgot about that!

[smoky sand]

N-no?

It was going to come out in January and was pushed back, it was never scheduled for june as far as I recall

[vagrant flare]

I'm really considering playing it, would you recommend it?

[weary silo]

Uhhh and who precisely is the one who expected in June 2021? Besides you I guess

[maiden isle]

Yes absolutely but it's rough around the edges, but thats part of the charm

[smoky sand]

Anyway, Milen. Elden Ring is the biggest game they've made, and they want to get it out as much as possible, so having a proper open demo that lets people play around in the first zone would do wonders for visibility

[stable parrot]

I'm talking about the original release date, when they started doing preorders, last year, they had a release date WAY before the January 2022 date.

[maiden isle]

Make sure you play on Master difficulty, no matter what

[smoky sand]

if anyone can just go touch Elden Ring then they'll be able to gain an opinion without needing to buy it, which helps anyone who is skeptical of the game being a typical souls-like beat you over the head affair

[vagrant flare]

Right and is it like an open world, exploration type game?

[maiden isle]

It has interconnected open level design

[smoky sand]

If they left it open for a few weeks and let people play around, thats multiple weeks of free marketing

[weary silo]

I suppose. Can you name any other game that has done a similar thing?

[smoky sand]

I can't name them but it happens all the time

New World had a similar idea but you needed to preorder to get in, as an example

If your game isn't going to easily drive sales because of a more obscure market and people being fairly untrusting of their own capacity to even beat the damn game

As a reminder less then 30% of players on ps4 were able to get past Gundyr

[vagrant flare]

ooo nice thank you

[weary silo]

Tbf Gundyr can be pretty bs for a new player

[smoky sand]

Or was it 50, and 30% got an ending? Doesn't matter

A majority of players are big babies and get upset when their progress is taken away, which is why most AAA games are now designed to make death mean nothing

[maiden isle]

It's on Steam and I think GoG

[smoky sand]

The idea of "getting good" as a form of progression is still mostly abhorred by the general gaming masses

If the game doesn't make a rank or level or SOMETHING go up, they don't feel like they've succeeded

They need to see some stupid number that means nothing tell them they made progress, because they found the Dirty Longsword of Anal penetration and it increased their I-Level by 2 points

So souls games not only taking away tangible progress but then also taking away resources sends them into conniptions

[weary silo]

I suppose. I do sometimes feel in the minority of people for playing games for the challenge/combat and abhor things like grinding

[smoky sand]

This is why Clicker games are so popular, because number go up = seratonin

Souls games have numbers that go up, but those numbers aren't going to make you play the game any better

[gleaming thunder]

this is true i have a caveman brain and i love easily-gained serotonin

[smoky sand]

There's nothing wrong with that

[gleaming thunder]

i am in a downward spiral

[smoky sand]

Skyrim is a giant treadmill that exclusively is designed to do nothing but cause that effect

[stable parrot]

people have been able to pre-order Elden Ring since when? I think since 2020, and most presumed that meant the release date was 2021.

[smoky sand]

Nothing in Skyrim matters, or changes, but it gives the illusion of change

And that's all people really need

[stable parrot]

also most stores you could buy Elden Ring from listed it as TBA, 2021. and it was expected to be, for almost the entire year.

[smoky sand]

There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but once you unravel this secret it becomes dramatically less effective

[weary silo]

People have been able to preorder since 2020?????? Excuse me but that sounds like something you pulled out from deep within your ass

[smoky sand]

Once you realize that Skyrim is the same 3 types of dungeons with the same humanoid enemies that drop loot that all functions identically except that it's 5% better then the last thing and nothing actually happens or involves your character in roleplaying, you realize Skyrim is just a room filled with treadmills

and that's what most people want

That's why they can sell

[stable parrot]

it's not, because I remember specifically in 2020 researching the game, and finding it available in 2020, and almost all information I found on the game expected the 2021 release.

[smoky sand]

The same version of skyrim but prepackaged with their fake mods that are just dlc

[weary silo]

I was gonna say mods do actual change but even then it's kinda monotonous and you just end up installing more mods until you get bored of even that or your pc explodes

[smoky sand]

Modding is the natural conclusion of Skyrims failure of game design

[stable parrot]

it was co-vid that delayed it, obviously, with the 2019 E3 Peak, we were all presuming a 2020-2021 release. @weary silo

[smoky sand]

because eventually you play enough of the game to see the endless flaws and shi++ty game design and go "hey wait a minute"

And if you're technically minded, the way the Creation engine is coded in a way to make it fairly easy to unravel and screw around with, and why not fix the problem

Why not make more solutions, but it never really works, because eventually you continue to notice problems and want to find more solutions

Or you turn Skyrim into a sexnaesium

[maiden isle]

Play Morrowind

[smoky sand]

Morrowind is an awful game but a great RPG

[stable parrot]

I remember specifically, 'Elden Ring' being on Walmart/Gamestop/Target websites with a December 31, 2020 tag.

because it had a placeholder marker, so everyone was presuming it's release early 2021.

[smoky sand]

I love Morrowind but it has aged about as well as a jug of milk in the sun, technically speaking. But it's writing, world building and level design is much tighter and focused on creating emergent gameplay, whereas Skyrim is focused on creating the illusion of emergent gameplay

[weary silo]

Tbh the main thing that made Oblivion (and I suppose Morrowind though I haven't played it) fun was the ways you could mess around with and break the game, Skyrim removed most of variety of that and reduced it to a restoration glitch

[stable parrot]

it was also listed on Bandai Namco page during 2020 as well.

[weary silo]

Like, it just removed all variety and with it most fun

[smoky sand]

Skyrim just checks every fifteen minutes you're still moving and then spawns something in front of you on a random table

[maiden isle]

???
"Morrowind is an awful game but a great role playing game"

[smoky sand]

You heard me

It's not a good game because you have one swing animation and two sound effects so you hit someone repeatedly and they go "HUR, HUR, HUR, HUR"

[opal bay]

the animations are terrible even for 2000s but you change swinging animations based on the direction you're moving in

[maiden isle]

This

[smoky sand]

But you can also go into a magic mushroom tower and meet some lady whose on all the drugs and she tells you to go find a magic bow, that she then uses to prop open a door

[maiden isle]

Also there's way more battle chatter

[opal bay]

i miss levitation and spellcrafting

[ivory musk]

System Shock 2

[maiden isle]

Its because the Telvanni are bughouse crazy

[smoky sand]

Morrowind is RPG rich but it suffers from being nearly 20 years old

[opal bay]

i remember playing the old version of system shock 1, back before it even had voice acting lol

[smoky sand]

If you took Morrowind and made it play like skyrim it would be a dramatically improved experience, assuming you don't translate Skyrims gobshi+e levelling system

Skyrim's skill trees are genuinely an illusion of progress, it's kind of amazing

[weary silo]

Oblivion had the worst leveling system tbh

[ivory musk]

I hated the enemy scaling in Oblivion so much

[smoky sand]

You should have said N'wah instead of that swear

[opal bay]

oblivion was a mess

[maiden isle]

Hell no dude, you have no directional attacks

[smoky sand]

I've probably put multiple thousands of hours into Morrowind, and hundreds into Oblivion, but Skyrim is somewhere in between and for all the wrong reasons

[maiden isle]

Skyrim's melee is satisfying but it isn't deep

[weary silo]

Oh, you accidentally slept before spending 5 hours grinding a skill? Well tough luck bucko, your damage gets increased by 2 points and the skeletons now have 100% more hp

[smoky sand]

There are almost no exceptions of melee weapons functioning seperately to another

A greatsword and a longsword are only differed in swing speed and damage, but they effectively function in the same manner

[maiden isle]

Also range

[opal bay]

it didnt work that well but i liked daggerfall's mouse-swing combat, i can't wait for more games where you can actually move your sword around and swing like VR games

[smoky sand]

Morrowind uses a completely different way of making weapons functional, which is the classic D&D format

Essentially, encounters are difficult unless you have a solution, so find a solution

You can't kill that ghost without a silver weapon, so go find one. Can't use it? Find a trainer so you can

[opal bay]

hit the ghost with your iron sword until you get to 100 long blade*

[maiden isle]

Or use magic

[smoky sand]

You are given problems and asked to find a solution, whereas Skyrim gives you nothing but things to kill and no expectation you'll struggle

In this comparison, Skyrim is closer to 5e then 3.5, because there is no problem that can't be solved by stabbing something over and over

This is an intrinsic loss of gameplay, because relics and items of tangible value are less of a priority when coupled with the trash level scaling system

The amount of weapons with actually diverse features are so few that it's sort of staggering

The Bloodskal Blade should have been the baseline for every unique named weapon in the game, because it fundamentally changes how you interact with an encounter

Instead every weapon is one of 9 enchantments and 8 of those enchantments are damage in different fun packages

Fromsoft is obviously very good at the proper way to make weapons, by making them DIFFERENT

The Bone Fist is not the same weapon as the Caestus, even if they share similar ideas

[maiden isle]

By thats largely due to movesets as well as a large toolkit

[smoky sand]

Mhm, but Morrowind and Oblivion had similarly complex idea's still potentially accessible

[lean parcel]

bro skyrim is bad

[smoky sand]

You could still use buffs to change your stats and summon more then FOUR DAEDRA AND A WOLF

And the choices on display are the elemental goons and then the Dremora, who are just dark elves with a skin condition

[weary silo]

Destruction magic really is amazing in Skyrim, fire projectile, exploding fire projectile, lightning projectile, chain lightning projectile, ice projectile and AoE ice projectile

[smoky sand]

Magic in skyrim is so disapointing

[weary silo]

And the damage doesn't even scale with their stats

[smoky sand]

We lost so many spells and interesting ways to interact with the world, and in exchange we got...spell shields???

[lean parcel]

i used necromancy to ressurrect a chicken and the whole village ran to kill me

[smoky sand]

Every element is roughly the same but does some different sub-feature that doesn't matter because Fire is objectively the best

Because Fire = More damage and thats all that matters

[ivory musk]

I miss walking on water, and spells that picked locks automatically

[weary silo]

Also fire is cheaper

[smoky sand]

Ice doesn't remove enough MP to matter, and honestly mages aren't threatening

[weary silo]

I found it ridiculous how much more mp lightning spells cost

[ivory musk]

At least Lightning elemental magic was hitscan, so you could snipe easier

[weary silo]

And to top it all off, the damage on all the spells is poopoo

You can do practically nothing to increase it

[gleaming thunder]

paper mario has a better magic system

[weary silo]

The only somewhat good magic in Skyrim is illusion

Because you can have enemy fight clubs

Or just sneak past everything since the combat is so boring anyway

[smoky sand]

Skyrim isn't designed with the idea of you actually planning your encounters, because why would you it's Skyrim

It's a game where people would make funny jokes about how they always become a stealth archer, not realizing how damning that is of the game design

because ultimately the encounters don't matter or change in any way, so you might as well take the option that costs the least and provides the most reward

and stealth archery gives you an excuse to level 2 skills at the same time while only having to buy more arrows, rather then needing to get healing and mana potions

But that's also because the game has 0 capacity to punish you for using stealth, because the A.I is braindead and you can easily one hit most dungeon bosses

[opal bay]

that spell that let you lock doors was really cool too... if only it actually did anything lol

[ivory musk]

There was a spell that locked doors?

[weary silo]

The spell that lets you unlock doors was actually useful

[opal bay]

yeah, it doesnt do anything though except let you unlock them again

[ivory musk]

Massive kekw

[weary silo]

Ngl in Skyrim lockpicking is actually more entertaining than combat

[maiden isle]

The dunmer are my favorite race in Elder Scrolls

[opal bay]

yeah the lockpicking minigame was finally decent, i dont mind them reusing it

better than spamming LMB or that weird oblivion one

[smoky sand]

Lets compare stealth archer to trying to make a Spellblade in Skyrim. You need to cast 2-3 spells before combat (armor spell, summon gear/pet, then a opening volley) and then you'd end up just slapping the slashy slash button over and over.

You have to do that for every room, wasting precious time and MP

Or, you could snipe enemies and watch them go "what was that noise" after they watch their friends head be removed by a crossbow bolt

[maiden isle]

Which is funny because archery and stealth were both tarded in MW

[smoky sand]

The game doesn't even have an alert system, it's just a binary toggle

Either they are sus or they don't know anythings wrong, even though they HAVE THE A.I to recognize bodies

Do you know what was great enemy A.I and is a much better game? Dragon's Dogma

[weary silo]

Body's still warm. Looks like there's a killer about

[smoky sand]

If you attack a goblin, the goblin will scream and alert other goblins, who upon hearing this will immediately also then scream and alert more

[weary silo]

Proceeds to walk like nothing happened

[smoky sand]

So enemies will begin arriving in waves naturally as they attempt to inform others and then come to the sound of the disturbance

So if you want to be sneaky, you actually need to kill them before they can alert others

Because otherwise enemies three rooms away are going to come see what the hell that noise was, and that includes bosses

[opal bay]

wasnt the damage on bows hardcapped in morrowind lol

[smoky sand]

Morrowind was a statistical nightmare, it wasn't very well balanced but they tried

But of course you can do dumb garbage like cast a speed buff on an enemy for 5000 points

and their A.I, unable to deal with now being this fast will take one step and move 3 miles away and despawn/fall through the floor

but that's more charming then "I cast die"

Never forget that Bethesda are evil now

[weary silo]

What

[smoky sand]

they are evil

They do nothing but terrible things are actively hostile towards the entire medium

I could actually go for plural hours about their intentionally hostile practices and the many ways they've illegally screwed people over

[weary silo]

Huh they just struck me as greedy and doing literally nothing

[smoky sand]

They are so bad that Obsidian actively made Outer Worlds to spite Bethesda and are in the process of doing the same with Oathbound

Most people here probably have heard of Prey, that game they made recently

What you aren't aware of is that the leads of the company are spiteful fu#kers and actively sabotaged an entire company to get their hands on the I.P

Prey is actually the second Prey game, because the original one was an amazing FPS that has a fully complete sequel

That was scrapped and then replaced by this new game, exclusively because they wanted the I.P and Human Head studios refused to play ball, so they did a bunch of heinous shi+ to get their hands on it, and they've done the SAME THING to Rune II

They intentionally sabotaged New Vegas, too. I can go for hours on the many many ways they have actively made games worse

[opal bay]

i love prey and prey but i wish we got prey two too

[smoky sand]

Prey 2016 is really good, I'm not going to pretend its not

Because I love that game, but I want PREY 2, because it was done and ready to be sold and we will never get it

Todd Howard and his other goons will lie to you and people EAT IT UP

Todd Howard has lied so much that people have realized his most famous quote is ALSO A LIE

You know that interview where he talks about being in the chess club, and he says WHOSE LAUGHING NOW

[weary silo]

What's his most famous quote? I thought it was "Who's laughing now"

[smoky sand]

someone went and checked, found his yearbook and he wasn't in the chess club, he was the president of multiple clubs and had several honors on him

He was literally the most Alpha head of the class stereotype you can imagine, and to be fair

he also did some very nice things like act as a driver for drunk students and help with some mental health things at school, but he has no affiliation with that chess club, the THING HE'S MOST ATTRIBUTED FOR

You can't trust a word out of that mans mouth, because it's all deceit. And when that's the essential leading face of your studio, that's a problem

Never trust a game studio

Fromsoft gets a pass but thats only because Miyazaki is in charge, one day he won't be there and we'll get the live service Dark souls 5: Revenge of Gwyn

This is the most old man shaking his fist at kids I can get, honestly

[sage mesa]

Old man propaganda let's go

[maiden isle]

Fromsoft was good before Miyazaki though

He enhances the studio though for sure

[ivory musk]

I still yearn a bit for the old days though

[lean parcel]

I can't see myself successfully eating a taco

[crude cedar]

The game Awards are Dumb

[woeful egret]

Yuck, that’s nasty. Would’ve loved to see the sequel of the FPS version. Never seen the original but I did hear about it

[stable parrot]

no elden ring at the game awards yet!

[cursive bronze]

scratch that lol, we're eatin tonight

[reef meadow]

When will the premium collectors edition be available for pre order?

i signed up for announcements on the website and followed their twitter but never got anything about it

[coarse steppe]

🏳️‍⚧️

[plain escarp]

I am so proud of this community for getting Elden Ring to win Most Anticipated Game for the 2nd year in a row!!

[dense nymph]

“Villains!” I shrieked, “dissemble no more! I admit the deed! — tear up the planks! — here, here! — it is the beating of his hideous heart!”

[urban flower]

Awww happy for this guy! It Takes Two was pretty great!

[north vector]

Completely deserved!

[slow zephyr]

It Takes Two earning GOTY was a W

[viscid dune]

Trans rights

[coarse steppe]

trueeee

[sour sleet]

???

[coarse steppe]

<@&894891802488885248> lol

[cold zealot]

Ey

Is there no general chat in this server?

[lean parcel]

idk

[ivory musk]

I guess this is technically the server

[sonic heron]

this is off-topic but this server is not a place for political or controversial discussions

topics here can include hobbies and happy, friendly stuff. Keep your hot button topics out please

[light field]

What

[lean parcel]

right lmao get some help

[light field]

Was gonna screenshot but nvm

[lean parcel]

i already got a screenshot no worries

[unreal breach]

keeping it for the wrong reasons, the dude was clearly being sarcastic

[lean parcel]

i know it was a joke its still funny

[light field]

Still weird

[lean parcel]

it was funny still

yeah it was weird

[light field]

Just block the name and nobody will cancel him on twitter and nobody on 4chan will ip grab them lmao

[lean parcel]

lol

[north vector]

No elden pets, very sad :(

[nova cloak]

dark souls 2 is a lot more fun than i expected

[cobalt otter]

It seems we are both playing Ds2 at the moment

Unless you’re not and you just said that

[coarse steppe]

are u referring to the trans emoji lol

Yeah bro so political and controversial

[nova cloak]

nope i just beat old dragonslayer

it’s fun so far, though the hoards can get annoying sometimes

[cobalt otter]

Honestly my opinion of Ds2 that its a fun game, but it would probably be the worst of the soulsborne games. I gotta beat it tho before I form a complete opinion

[nova cloak]

yeah me too, hopefully no areas in ds2 r lackluster like lost izalith lmao

but ill see how the rest of the game is i have so many areas to explore

[unreal breach]

uh oh!

[nova cloak]

?

[cobalt otter]

Well that isn’t very reassuring

[unreal breach]

🙃

[nova cloak]

oh…

it’s fine..maybe other things will make up for it

[cobalt otter]

And then after DS2 I can finally finish sekiro, which I played but didn’t finish.

[rose hazel]

when i get the launch edition for xbox x will there be an online code too or only a disc for the game?

[lean parcel]

Why does off topic have slow mode....

[nova bobcat]

a year after beating it I can say that I don't consider it a good game. It has a lot of problems, from the movesets to the bad game-design choices. It's not a complete apocalypse but it's just... bad

[lean parcel]

You have a lot of balls calling the best souls game the worst one

[cobalt otter]

Ds2 has pretty environment,neat mechanics, good pvp(i have heard),and a nice fashion souls
but some of the enemies are eh
some of the "got ya" enemies feel more cheap in Ds2 then they did in Ds1 and Ds3
the bosses are also pretty forgettable in my opinion
i can 100% understand why people like it, because i'm having fun playing it
but imo i don't think i will consider it the best
now this opinion can change in time the more i play
because out of every Soulsborne game(Sekiro included) i have played Ds2 the least(other then Demon souls never played that game)

[nova bobcat]

I agree only with environment and fashion souls

the mechanics... yeah some may be cool but they are most of the times useless

[cobalt otter]

yea i agree
i said neat mechanics and not good mechanics
cause while i like some of them
i don't like other ones

[lean parcel]

hehe queen marika

[last ingot]

i am drinking coffee and a bang at the same time to get maximum energy

[nova cloak]

the enemies haven’t been too bad so

[paper bison]

ds2 is best souls

[lean parcel]

Cap

[rustic pecan]

Patches?

[limber quarry]

Based

[rustic pecan]

True

[rich canyon]

hi

[gleaming thunder]

hello

[rich canyon]

do u know how to get the @ social role?

[gleaming thunder]

the scroll in #assign-roles

[rich canyon]

ohhhh

tysm i must be blind

[gleaming thunder]

it happens

[novel tangle]

How long will it be until a better ganondorf is made than general radahn

I feel like any upcoming ganon or akuma-like designs have been absolutely mogged unless they have been taken in a very unique direction

[lean parcel]

queen marika hehe

[upbeat spire]

at the end of the cinematic trailer, I hear "unless of course, thou shall (???) the crown" , any idea what the ??? is because i can't tell what its saying

[gilded ermine]

thou shouldst take the crown?

[obtuse mesa]

You're gonna get banned if you keep pushing the moderator's buttons.

[upbeat spire]

probs right honestly

[obtuse mesa]

So is the queen a demigod?

[coarse steppe]

lol

[gilded ermine]

i watched that from launch trailer subtitles so i guess its accurate

[brittle moss]

significantly disagree

I like DS2 more than 1 less than 3.

Also wtf is wrong with the movesets???

[north vector]

Do you guys have pets?

[cobalt otter]

Damn people really like Ds2 I guess

And no I don’t have pets

[cobalt otter]

Movesets in what?

[brittle moss]

DS2. I see a lot of ppl saying they're lackluster but I rly don't get it. There's more than DS1 by far.

I think ppl are comparing the game to DS3 (which... I still don't get? It has around the same??)

[cobalt otter]

I compare to Ds1 and 3 and I honestly think the other two are better so far

Opinions vary though

[brittle moss]

Yea that's fine. I think when ppl base opinions on things that are like, kinda untrue, it gets weird tho. It's fine to like or dislike a game just pls find out the reasoning you actually have for such a thing because you may be missing out by telling yourself something is bad.

[upper sparrow]

DS2 is objectively the worst Souls game, but I'd hesitate to call it an outright bad game

[ivory musk]

Did you just say something that made perfect sense? That's not allowed here

[brittle moss]

Objectively? no. Nothing is objectively worse than anything else except on a metric of being "Does it do what it set out to do well?"

DS2 set out to do something drastically different than the other 2 games. Which is why it's so divisive. Did it do it well? Well, not as well as DS3 but I'd rly shy away from saying it did what it set out to do worse than what DS1 set out to do. In terms of visual polish: probably. But in terms of gameplay? Gotta disagree.

The gameplay structure is well crafted enough in its own right when judging it on its own terms, and not against its contemporaries. As it wasn't intended to be like DS1 in the first place.

It does run into some failings though.

[weary silo]

Well I suppose I'm here to ruin this unshakeable objective opinion of yours by saying that for me, ds1 is the worst souls game

[upper sparrow]

DS2 has probably the second worse overall gameplay out of all of the Soulsborne games, maybe excluding Demon's Souls, which is not to call it bad but poorly polished. However, a lot of DS2's flaws directly impact it's gameplay, and Scholar added a whole slew of new issues to the game as well

[brittle moss]

But why

[upper sparrow]

I still love DS2, but it's easily the most broken out of the trilogy, and has the worst consistent quality across the entire game

[brittle moss]

Again I disagree. I think the game is quite consistent in its relative mediocrity. But also I enjoy its high points enough to not be dissuaded by that.

[upper sparrow]

It's not entirely fair to dismiss DS2 for it's shortcomings, though, because it's frankly a miracle the game was even released and succeeded at all, given just how awful it's development was

And, in spite of all it's shortcomings, it's an exceptional game by the rest of the industry's standards

[brittle moss]

I used to think it was bad and the worst at first, but then I stepped back and tried to analyze it from the perspective of the developers and not a player who wanted more of the same. After all who wouldn't want more DS1 (but better of course)

[cobalt otter]

Ds2 honestly feels slower and junkier then Ds1 in my opinion
and the bosses aren't as good
the areas are fun to look at but not as fun to go through
but i already posted some of the reasons i don't like it earlier

[brittle moss]

But I did have to set aside my biases.

[cobalt otter]

i have no Bias because i think Ds2 is a good game
just not as good as the other ones

[brittle moss]

Yea it is slower due to stamina receiving a huge nerf (however attacks are much faster, which is osmething ppl don't notice as much). The clunk comes from the admittedly undercooked animations. Which is one of the failures I was mentioning.

[weary silo]

Imo ds2's bosses are better than ds1 but only because the 1st one puts the bar really low

[brittle moss]

Really I didn't very much enjoy DS2 or DS1's bosses until the DLC lol. They were either pushovers or annoying in some way

I think the different reasons for that are pretty interesting though.

I hated DS1's boss arenas, and yet DS2's boss arenas were actually quite good. But uh. The bosses died in 7 hits from my UGS.

[weary silo]

Ds2 at least had a few fun gimmicks like Chariot and Skeleton lords

Granted, they weren't challenging, but they were fun ideas

[cobalt otter]

Ds1 had capra
BoC
and the asylum demon reskins at worst
every other bosses is at least memorable
Skeleton lords was completely forgettable

[brittle moss]

I actually analyzed this myself and it shows just how rushed the game was. Most bosses prior to the DLC have health values you would expect for DS1.

However, DS2 player damage is like, nearly double that of DS1.

So you see where the problem rears its head lol

I imagine it was an oversight that they just didn't have the time to prioritize to fix. Which is quite sad.

However, most people say DS2's level design sucks right? I think it's quite fantastic.

[ivory musk]

I personally liked that bosses in DS1, for much of the early-mid game were nothing special or remarkable, aside from Quelaag and Iron Golem and O&S. They were just really tough late game enemies placed earlier, like Taurus and Capra

And it doesn't outright squash new players or make much an attempt to set a bar too high if you catch my drift

[weary silo]

Every other boss is memorable? Come on now. Moonlight butterfly is only memorable for being annoying for melee. Nito is not memorable for a Lord boss. Bed of Chaos is as memorable as experiencing literal torture, the experience is so agonizing that you cannot possibly forget it

[brittle moss]

The levels are very well designed in a way that rewards baiting out enemies and routing them to areas you can handle them easier in. Rushing in head first will result in a quick defeat at the hands of many.

[upper sparrow]

DS2 by far has the weakest bosses in the entire franchise, which would go to DS1 if the bosses in DS2 weren't pretty meaningless most of the time. Sure, Capra Demon, Bed of Chaos and the Asylum Demon reskins are bad, but they're not Prowling Magus and co., Covetous Demon or any of the optional area DLC bosses, which ALL suck ass (especially in the pre-boss)

[brittle moss]

Players not liking this is incredibly understandable but to call it bad design is selling the developers incredibly short in my opinion.

[upper sparrow]

DS1 probably has the easiest bosses out of the three Dark Souls games, though, as the game's slow and old enough that most enemies are easy enough to manipulate to your advantage

[cobalt otter]

I said Bed of chaos was a low point
I found Nito pretty fine and is around at the same level as seath
and moonlight.. can't really argue there

[brittle moss]

For instance: That one room in Iron Keep? You know which one I'm talking about. There are specific spots where the bowmen cannot hit you. You can also aggro multiple enemies with arrows of your own to pull them to you while the bow knights will not give chase. This is the intended way to play the game, especially with how much they buffed items and ranged weapons, and how the description of the first bow you get literally tells you to use it in this way.

[weary silo]

Ds2 had cool ideas for the level design but they didn't work out well because there were either too many enemies, they were janky or both (ahem Iron keep)

[brittle moss]

Now: A game having an intended way to play and punishing you heavily for not playing that way is understandably divisive. Doom Eternal does this as well and it is also divisive among Doom fans. However, I do not believe it's bad design in the least.

When played right, I believe DS2 has some quite genius design.

For instance, there's this one room in Brume Tower with like, 8 enemies in it. They're strong enemies, too. But prior to it you are shown a preview of that area. Not only that, if you're clever you can snipe some enemies and soften them up before jumping down. Finally, goblins with powder kegs, like five of them, can all be herded down into the arena.

Knowing this, there are multiple ways to tackle this room rather than the head-on approach.

[brittle moss]

My favorite way is to rally the goblin dudes into the room against a wall and then toss an alluring skull at them. When the big knight comes over to you, all of the other knights will be rushign to that skull. Then if you detonate the goblins everything dies, instantly.

[upper sparrow]

DS2's level design varies from pretty good (Like Forest of Fallen Giants and The Gutter), mediocre (Most of the areas fall under this category) and some of the worst in the franchise. If I had to name 5 of the worst areas in the Dark Souls franchise, at least 3 of those areas would be from DS2, only beaten for the #1 spot by Lost Izalith for obvious reasons

[brittle moss]

Super satisfying level design like this is littered all throughout DS2 and I feel as if people are overlooking it because it makes the player take a far different approach than they are used to.

[weary silo]

Tbh I'd put most of Iron Keep tied with Izalith

[brittle moss]

I loved Iron Keep. Aside from bonfire placement.

[upper sparrow]

Iron Keep's not that bad, I'm just tired of the AWFUL lava Jpeg that is still burned into my retina by the countless hours of PvP

[weary silo]

It had great potential but the enemies are what ruin it

[brittle moss]

I loved the enemy encounters though

[weary silo]

The Alonne knights are too bugged with their ridiculous fast walk

[brittle moss]

ESPECIALLY the second big room with the contraption that switches out different parts of the arena. God I loved that, it was genius and so fun to play with it by burning the stronger enemies on the flame turret thing or dropping them into lava

[upper sparrow]

Shrine of Amana, Black Gulch and Frozen Outskirts are easily the three worst maps in DS2, and in the entire Soulsborne franchise to boot. Black Gulch could be ommited for the simple saving grave that it's pretty short, but it's still an awful area

[brittle moss]

I will admit that Shrine of Amana sucks ass

[upper sparrow]

And that's not even mentioning the other two DLC optional boss areas, oh my god those are so bad that it's actually painful to remember them

[weary silo]

Iron Passage and uhh what was the other one?

[brittle moss]

Frigid Outskirts is good actually.

In theory

It has one problem that ruins it and makes the level suffering.

It has a unique gimmick and striking visuals. And is made like a horror game in a way.

But its lack of a bonfire at the end lol

Having no bonfire at the end of Frigid Outskirts transforms it into an area of suffering because you have to go through it every single time to get to the boss.

[ivory musk]

Shrine of Amana sucks mechanically but I think on a pure visual scale it's actually beyond superb

[brittle moss]

Which means you either have to go through it the intended way (takes 90 years) or rush through it like a madman and hope for the best.

Neither of which are fun when you're retrying some reskinned duo boss.

[weary silo]

Ds2 is basically the king of having good ideas but executing them horribly

[upper sparrow]

Fair enough, the Milfanito song and the visual spectacle of Shrine of Amana always allures me before I'm pelted by sniping spellfire from a kilometre away

[brittle moss]

Horribly? eh. I'd say it depends.

[weary silo]

It's not always horrible

[brittle moss]

Frozen Eleum Loyce is probably my favorite area in the series. Either that or the Dragon's Sanctum

[weary silo]

It's just that seeing what could obviously have been a great area but wasn't just pains my soul

[brittle moss]

Yeah it's painful. I can't imagine seeing that type of failure as a dev either

[upper sparrow]

I always hate having to place Shrine of Amana so low, because I would often go to the large fire past that one tower and just relax while I did schoolwork or read, with the game's natural ambiance playing in the background.

Good memories, even if the area was actual CBT

[brittle moss]

milfanito song is :)

[ivory musk]

I loved the idea of the singers actually pacifying the nearby wildlife, but once the singing stops or you get to close that pacification effect goes away

[weary silo]

It's like seeing some guy who you knew to be the best in high school after 3 years and now he's a homeless junkie because something went wrong

[brittle moss]

There's a lot you can learn from DS2. Both good and bad. There's definitely hidden genius within the game that's often overlooked IMO

[upper sparrow]

I don't find myself eager to replay DS2, but I definitely don't hate it, most of the time. I just look at what the game could have been and feel bitter about the state of the game now, especially with the lukewarm Scholar edition making things worse rather than better

[weary silo]

Ds3's biggest flaws were 2: not being bold enough to try new things and not borrowing enough from ds2

[ivory musk]

I'd say DS3 had more significant flaws than that, imo

[brittle moss]

I think they were scared to try more new things because of DS2. It's not rare for devs to be scared of attempting innovation after something doesn't go super well

[weary silo]

I know, I get it completely but it's just such a shame

Ds3 with most of ds2's spells or movesets would have been great

[upper sparrow]

DS3 didn't try to innovate a lot on the medium, but I'm honestly OK with that, as the quality of the game is enough to make the experience enjoyable. It's not outright broken and still did plenty of new things, but I can definitely see criticism towards it's same-ness being deserved

[brittle moss]

I think DS3 had a bit of a balance issue as well. But that seems to be attempting to be resolved in ER.

Too many bad weapon arts and Ultras dealing less damage than in DS2 for no reason was weird.

[weary silo]

I love ds3 to hell, I just wish there was more... variety

[ivory musk]

I still have bitter disappointment that they made the Demon Ruins have the exact same layout and architecture, and boring enemies as the Catacombs

[brittle moss]

Yea I love the game but it ain't perfect. That's my opinion on all 3 souls games tbh

[ivory musk]

And taking cool concepts and ideas like the Abyss, but just turning it into a dark room with bad looking grass and sand

It never properly uses color and saturation to display moods effectively

[brittle moss]

cept anor londo and eclipse

[weary silo]

Demon Ruins did a proper homage to Lost Izalith by being pointless and lame

[brittle moss]

LOOOOL

[ivory musk]

That's not entirely fair and you know it

[weary silo]

Ok it isn't that bad

[ivory musk]

Because Izalith had a great sense of scale and neat architecture designs, like the moving demon statues

[upper sparrow]

I think Demon Ruins is ruined by the boss being OUTSIDE the actual labyrinth of it. You can skip all of the area, which is decent, because the boss is before the first bonfire of the actual level

[weary silo]

Eh, izalith had a great scale of eye hurting lava textures and an entire see of unfinished enemy models

I can't find a single thing I love about the area except for the weird many eyed monster guys looking funny and goofy

[ivory musk]

It's the lava bloom that hurt the eyes more, not so much the lava texture itself. It is disappointing that they did kinda resort to capra demon spam at the beginning of it though

[upper sparrow]

The vast expanse of fire crab lake is not interesting to navigate besides dodging ballista bolts and aforementioned cindered crabs

[brittle moss]

LMAO rite

[weary silo]

Whatever could you mean, you get the one and only Speckled Stoneplate Ring if you manage to make the ballista hit it, it makes all of it so worth it

And the big Smoldering Lake is obviously a reference to the lava sea with half bodied unfinished enemies

[upper sparrow]

For many, many years, my Dark Souls was corrupted due to my Xbox 360's faulty internal harddrive, and Lost Izalith was forever lost, as my game would softlock before Demon Firesage 100% of the time. I had to use a save editor to beat the game for the first time, and never experienced Lost Izalith until I finally played it on my Xbox One. I wish I had never played it on my Xbox One, because holy hell Lost Izalith is balls, actually sweat balls with 0 redemptive value other than you can skip the entire thing for 30 humanity

[brittle moss]

LMAO

[upper sparrow]

I wish I remained in ignorance of the blight that is Lost Izalith

[weary silo]

That xbox 360 was blessed by God

[cobalt otter]

the funny thing is
you even get a reward for skipping it

[weary silo]

It was doing you a favor

[upper sparrow]

It really was, god bless you, broken-ass Xbox 360

Lost Izalith is thankfully easy to get through if you just run, at least

[weary silo]

Oh you'll be running back and forth when you reach BoC allright

[upper sparrow]

And, the 30 humanity skip is easy to do with a little bit of cheating, which is honestly warranted for just how offensive the area is to my eyes

[weary silo]

Unless you're a shieldy boy

[brittle moss]

DS1's broken glitches and garbage balance made the poo level design of the second half so much more bearable lmao. Some chocolate chip cookie type beat.

[weary silo]

To this day I have no idea how to avoid the branch sweeps without blocking, no timing on the rolls seemed to work

[upper sparrow]

Bed of Chaos is the turd cherry on the sewage cake that is Izalith, because that boss is both so underwhelming and overwhelmingly difficult it's not even funny. Only positive part is the big ass slide, and the boss visually looks pretty cool

[weary silo]

They almost had a good Lord soul area with Grand Archives but they just had to ruin it with crystal caves

[upper sparrow]

I have never once not died to Bed of Chaos, usually by being bumped right as I am falling to the safe branch to go beat up the bug, as I always get nudged during that fall

[brittle moss]

bro I got hit by this 5 times in a row once

I was at my wits end truly I wanted nothing more than to give up and give into the hollowing.

[upper sparrow]

I like Crystal Cave, with the exception of the massive horde of clams outside Seath's room. I do not like all those clams unless I'm farming twinkling titanite

[weary silo]

Try beating BoC on your 1st playthrough as a 12 VIT sorcerer. Try it, I dare you

[brittle moss]

Bro the stupid clams

[cobalt otter]

lost izalith was really the only terrible part of the second half in my opinion
New londo was pretty unique
Grand archives was good and the crystal caves aren't long
Tomb of giant was also okay and different
this is probably pretty unpopular tho

[brittle moss]

:(

[weary silo]

Yes, that's how I felt, except 100 times worse

[upper sparrow]

I also don't like the stupid amount of damage the blue hollows do in the Duke's Archive, but I like the area itself

[brittle moss]

it's so funny that everyone hated dragon god so from decided to do it again but make it worse this time

[weary silo]

Why did the blue hollows need to have such high magic resist whyyyy

[upper sparrow]

The only gimmick boss I can ever say I've enjoyed was Yhorm, because if you forego the Stormruler he's a very fun boss

Every other gimmick boss in the entire franchise is just... not very good at all

[ivory musk]

I may need further elaboration on this. Doing 20 damage doesn't seem to be a hyper-engaging experience to me

[weary silo]

Divine Dragon is an awesome gimmick boss (if it even counts for the discussion here)

[brittle moss]

He has a well designed moveset just the resistance sucks but he is very fun to actually like, fight.

[upper sparrow]

If you hit his arms and head, Yhorm taken normal boss damage and you can stagger him for visceral attacks that do a lot of damage

[ivory musk]

Basically hitting legs = Yhorm has god mode. Anything else and hes normal to fight

[upper sparrow]

He's still incredibly tanky, but if you pace yourself and aim for his head and arms he becomes a lot more fun than standing back and holding L2 until Stormruler's charged

[ivory musk]

I'll give it a try when I eventually can ignore the pain of playing a DS3 sorcerer

[upper sparrow]

Plus, I'm biased because Yhorm's theme is absolutely god-tier in my book, so I like listening to it

[brittle moss]

no no you are correct

[weary silo]

Yhorm has such an amazing design overall ruined by the fact that it has an (almost) mandatory gimmick element

At least Siegward makes it cool

[still meteor]

Nah the issue is that gimmick is not cool looking like Storm King

[upper sparrow]

I'd say the worst of the Lords of Cinder for me is probably Aldritch, just because I've always found his fight incredibly boring, and the shock of seeing Gwyndolin turned into a meat puppet doesn't hold up after 10+ playthroughs

[still meteor]

It's not happening in a visually striking area either

[ivory musk]

I'll be straight here, I absolutely despise Siegward's existence

[weary silo]

Bro

[upper sparrow]

Gonna have to disagree, Yhorm's arena is arguably the best part of the worst area in DS3

[still meteor]

That's not saying much

[upper sparrow]

Really disappointed we didn't get a massive labyrinth for the Profaned Capital, it could have been so much better

[weary silo]

Yhorm's room is pretty dope, a giant throne chamber

[ivory musk]

coughConvergencemodcough

[still meteor]

The area is well-made but it doesn't do anything to compliment Storm Ruler

[weary silo]

Storm ruler is dumb in the 1st place

[still meteor]

And?

[paper bison]

and

[weary silo]

and!

[ivory musk]

It's there purely for referential purposes to substitute actual content

[still meteor]

Not my problem they half-assed it

[upper sparrow]

But, for what it's worth, Yhorm's arena is incredible
A pool of shallow water, juxtaposed by the still smoldering corpses of the residents of the Profaned Capital, as well as their excess riches piled around the walls and Yhorm's throne, with him somberly sitting in it, looking at the door. Maybe it doesn't compliment Stormruler, but I absolutely love the inferred storytelling in that arena

[still meteor]

Personally if you're gonna do a gimmick you better make sure it's complimented visually at least so the area didn't do anything for me

[lean parcel]

Hemlo im new here :v

[upper sparrow]

Wolnir's gimmick was done pretty well, and also covers up just how rushed his arena was

[weary silo]

I'm trying to say the gimmick is the bad part, not the rest of the fight for not complementing the gimmick

[still meteor]

Nah Yohrm isn't that good of a boss

He's honestly kinda whatever

[upper sparrow]

He's the best gimmick boss in the franchise, I'd argue, because idk of any other gimmick bosses that are even remotely good

[lean parcel]

yhorm is too ez with using storm ruler and too much time consuming without it, but at least he is not punishing you for not using gimmick method

[still meteor]

He does

Not by killing you, but by wasting your own time

[lean parcel]

on first ng he is going to take 15 minutes of your life, thats all cuz he is ez

[weary silo]

World type: Superflat
/time set night
/effect blindness @p 10000 1

[still meteor]

Uh who was Wolnir again?

[lean parcel]

big skeleton, you must hit his bracelets

[still meteor]

Oh the big funny boneman

[upper sparrow]

lmao true

[ivory musk]

Yeah Wolnir is just a boss with not much saving him

It's fine to have a gimmick with a boss, but not fine to have the gimmick be the entire fight

[upper sparrow]

Most gimmick bosses aren't fights, but environmental setpieces

[weary silo]

The only thing Wolnir has going for him is the drip

[lean parcel]

he is called high for a reason

[upper sparrow]

I like Wolnir's fight personally, it's not a good fight but it's interesting enough

[lean parcel]

with his slow speed or just that he is big?

[weary silo]

Skeleton bosses just aren't From's forte

[ivory musk]

I remember beating Wolnir and thinking "How was this even in the game"

[lean parcel]

for me wolnir is boring, just rushed content

[weary silo]

Hope ER has an actually good skeleton boss for a change

[upper sparrow]

The visual aspect of his encounter, as well as the first encounter with blindly walking down to pick up the tome before being spooked by the skelington man

[lean parcel]

i watched the story trailer 14 times today and i am still not bored

[upper sparrow]

It's cool seeing him be dragged into the Abyss when you break his bling, and his spells look menacing

Despite his sword being ABSOLUTELY GARBAGE

[ivory musk]

I'm still in partial disbelief that the fight took place in the Abyss

[weary silo]

Wait what it did?

[ivory musk]

Supposedly it did

[silver isle]

Can't wait for Elden Ring Sadge

[weary silo]

I thought the chalice was just a random pocket dimension lmao

[ivory musk]

Same

[upper sparrow]

I don't think it's the same Abyss as DS1, but a newer Abyss

[lean parcel]

so abyss have its own ages?

[weary silo]

I still have no idea what connection it has to the door that can only be opened if you beat him

[lean parcel]

By Design

[ivory musk]

The door of friendship

[upper sparrow]

vidya game logic, in reality we could run past every boss in the game and go punch Lothric 5 minutes into the game

[weary silo]

The Abyss doesn't have stages or anything, it's just a bunch of darkness in one place

[upper sparrow]

Honestly, Wolnir should have been optional

[weary silo]

Just have the door open and whoever wants to inspect the chalice for a random fight is free to do so lol

[lean parcel]

i mean, you can kill him in 2 minutes so its not an issue to have him there

[paper bison]

and

[upper sparrow]

The door should just be open, and the chalice tucked away in the corner. If you touch it, Wolnir's fog fills the room and then a big ass hand grabs you, and then you wake up in his arena. It would have been a cool callback to Manus, and made the entire encounter a bit more interesting I think

It wouldn't have needed that many changes, but the presentation as a secret rather than a manditory boss might have helped Wolnir a lot, because he's pretty boring

[ivory musk]

I like the idea, but DS3 needs less callbacks and more original content

So I'd replace the "hand grabbing" bit with something else

But the fog filling the room would be cool

[weary silo]

Tbh the most simple change would be to get sucked into the fight when you try to open the door

And not when you interact with a pointless chalice in the middle of the room

[upper sparrow]

I still think DS3's worst gimmick boss is easily the Ancient Wyvern, because that boss stinks pretty bad

[weary silo]

That's not even a boss tbh

[lean parcel]

its free souls xD

[ivory musk]

I forgot the Wyvern existed until you said that

[upper sparrow]

Yhorm and Wolnir can make for interesting encounters if fought without abusing their gimmicks, but the Ancient Wyvern is so boring to fight normally

It has a stomp, two fire breath moves, and a flying move. That's it's entire kit

[lean parcel]

no, it also swings its tail i think

[weary silo]

Because it's not intended to be fought

I usually fight the mini wyverns on the road with the rock lizards before the bell bonfire

They're much easier but practically the same mechanically

[upper sparrow]

They share a moveset, the Ancient Wyvern is just bigger

[lean parcel]

yup

[weary silo]

Exactly, you can see it's just a basic enemy moveset

[upper sparrow]

I bet you could do the plunging attack animation to the smaller Wyverns if you got above them, but afaik there's no way to check without modding

[weary silo]

And their drops are actually better than the Ancient wyvern's

[upper sparrow]

Yeah, funnily enough

They drop like, 6 chunks I think?

[weary silo]

6 chunks, 3 scales and 3 twinkling

[upper sparrow]

They drop a lot of upgrade materials, what exactly is beyond me but I know it's a lot of worthwhile stuff

[weary silo]

The only thing they don't drop is titanite slabs basically

[upper sparrow]

Though those rock lizard bastards are torture, worst enemies in DS3 by far

[weary silo]

I never found them troublesome, idk why everyone hates them

[lean parcel]

they look nice

[ivory musk]

I've always punched them off cliffs

[upper sparrow]

They are hard to stagger, have a lot of poise, and melt you if they catch you in their rolling attacks

Plus they do a disproportionately large amount of damage from their fast attacks and have a chunky amount of HP to boot

Just generally not a fun time, especially because they're always near some of the hardest enemies in the game (The smaller Wyvern, large snakemen, or each other)

[weary silo]

I got killed by one once when running back up to Havel

The fire breath is kinda bs I guess

Still not as tough as ds2 lizards

[upper sparrow]

Plus, there's always that one guarding the ashes that gives you chunks, and it has routinely knocked me off of the cliff

[ivory musk]

Yes. A battle of "how favorable are your weapon hitboxes for hitting straight down"

[weary silo]

Try killing it with a caestus

[upper sparrow]

The hardest enemy in DS2 is probably the massive Brume warriors, because the lava they spewed at random could stun you and leave you vulnerable to their massive f*cking hammer

[weary silo]

I have to switch to a random guts sword every time I see one

[ivory musk]

I just use an axe

and spam running attack or R2s

[brittle moss]

Their lava wasn't actually random. It's left and right alternating on a static timer.

[pale bone]

Remember a couple months ago the rumor was going around that this was going to be an Epic Games Store exclusive on PC? Thank god that nightmare didnt come true hahahaha

[still meteor]

I have never heard such rumor

[pliant rose]

Why queen Marika so damn hairy🤔

[hot bobcat]

im almost done with my fromsoftware binge (played ds1 ds3 sekiro and on bloodborne rn) but i just cant get myself to complete ds2. it feels so sluggish and weird idk

[lean parcel]

@hot bobcat whats your favorite so far

[hot bobcat]

hmm. probably sekiro? i found dark souls 3 too easy but i loved the combat.

my favourite ill say is sekiro >> ds3 > ds1 >>>>>>>>> ds2

playing bloodborne rn and im loving it

[lean parcel]

Dlcs and all on all games?

[hot bobcat]

no dlcs rn. first base game runs then dlc ig? are they worth it

[lean parcel]

Yeah

Ringed city i think its just amazing

And dlcs on ds2 are like the only good part of the game

[untold light]

Its hard to really judge Soulsborne difficulty because it depends heavily on general experience. Generally base game stuff is not particularly hard unless you like, relied on shield turtling and summons in DS1 as your first game

[lean parcel]

Yeah its kind of assumed he was talking about personal experience

[hot bobcat]

justt personal experience

my difficulty ranking were prolly be sekiro > ds1 > ds3

but its ok i went into these games blind and im loving them all so far

[lean parcel]

To me sekiro was difficult at the start but once i got the hand of the parry system it was mostly a breeze

God i despise the language bot

Ds2 was the hardest for me because of how unfair the combat is being filled with ganks and bad hitboxes and basic enemies taking 2 ultrags hits like they have 1000 poise and the repulsive adp system

Then ds1 would be the second hardest because a janky outdated engine and then ds3 would be the easiest cause game polished game good

[shut shoal]

elden ring hype destroyed the moment i found dat PS2 emu on android news wheww

[lean parcel]

?

[cobalt otter]

Damn i'm still thinking if i should finish Ds2 or Start on Sekiro

or maybe both at the same time

[lean parcel]

Lol

Gaming

[light field]

what

[quaint hemlock]

does anyone know how to fix a problem on ds3 relating to people being invisible when summoning

im trying to play with my friend, but it just isnt working. they spawn invisible and the game doesnt play right

[south geode]

I bought dark souls 2 for 20€, I beated 3 bosses,and deleted the game instantly because of the hitbox.
I think you should start sekiro.

[clear musk]

Dark souls 2 is okay for me

[south geode]

Better than sekiro?

[meager nova]

Yeah people just exaggerate about DS2 being bad, in fact that game has many possibilities in term of built compare to others

[clear musk]

Although good, some people would hate on ds2, mostly it’s made by different people

Some weapons and armor from the first game were absent

[inland summit]

ladies and gents,I officially beat bloodborne. Thank you.

[south geode]

With the Old Hunters DLC?

[inland summit]

no I'm saving up to buy sekiro and dlc now :(

[south geode]

Good Luck and nice job!

[inland summit]

Thanks 🙏

[remote kettle]

Well done, your now a official hunter of Yharnam.

[lean parcel]

Bloodbore

That game was the easiest of all the souls like ive played

[rose hazel]

if i get the launch edition for xbox x will there be an online code too or only a disc for the game?

[small jungle]

You can direct questions to Bandai Namco at the following links: https://fcld.ly/er_support_eu (EU) https://fcld.ly/er_support_us (US)

[inland patrol]

Ds1 is the easiest souls game
Change my mind

[pine tapir]

Sen's Fortress and Blighttown:
He doesn't know, we wont tell him

oh and the Tomb of the Giants ofc

[inland patrol]

There not too hard
I'd vastly prefer them over Ringed city,Irythll and Eleum loyce.

[ivory musk]

Sen's Fortress is easy if you have brain cells, and Tomb of the Giants is only difficult without any light sources. Otherwise half the area can just be walked through

[coarse valley]

blighttown is more annoying than hard, and sen's fortress is just a maze

[pine tapir]

Sens F isnt particularly hard, its just fkn annoying

[pine tapir]

Labyrinth? Clearly the Depths are some hell of an adventure - and I hate it

[coarse valley]

true

[clear musk]

Sunlight Maggot or Cast Light is best used for this area

[ivory musk]

Yep. Sunlight Maggot is probably best because it requires zero input

[autumn linden]

and bed of chaos itself

[clear musk]

And Skull Lantern takes away the ability to block, so it’ll be difficult to traverse without these two

[pine tapir]

acutally im not even there, im at my first playthrough currently in Anor Londo but from what ive seen im really not looking forward to the Tomb of the Giants or the Bed of Chaos

[autumn linden]

i would go to either izalith or dukes before tomb

[ivory musk]

If you have any light source, Tomb 2nd half will be easy.

Nothing can prepare you for Bed of Chaos though

[autumn linden]

ye

[clear musk]

Against Gravelord Nito, a divine weapon is recommended for this fight

[autumn linden]

not so much tho

because of the aoe

[clear musk]

You’ll be constantly swarmed by skeletons throughout the fight, if killed with a divine weapon, they won’t come back

[autumn linden]

you could just sit in the first part and wait but i dont know

i only used the divine club once with nito so im also not that experienced w/ it

[rustic pecan]

Gwyn

[small jungle]

@cold zealot 22

[cold zealot]

Lolll

Alr

[lean parcel]

does anyone here know what the tattoos on dark souls 2 represent?

i know a few are the drangleic emblem and a symbol that represents seath

and theres the one wich i assume is an archtree

[light field]

twitter sucks

not just for people whining about dream stans and kpop 247

but the amount of tumblr stuff on it is just

[unreal breach]

is it just me or was the DokeV kpop virtual concert in TGA uncomfortable. like it feels borderline illegal to look at the screen

[light field]

not just you

the chat made it worse it was like a 5 year old got on his moms ipad and started flaming any game that wasnt gta 6

[north vector]

So every?

[serene saffron]

gaming

[celest dragon]

Pepsi is investing in NFTs

[ivory crescent]

The Arisen

The Aroused

The Risen

The Woke

@lean parcel, any of these work?

Which one seems the best in your opinion?

[coarse valley]

whoever designed bed of chaos i JUST want to talk

[woeful egret]

Maybe Elden Ring will have a remastered and better version of the fight.

[light field]

intense epic gaming

[serene saffron]

u know it mr. manga pfp

[gentle kernel]

Haha vines go brr

[inland patrol]

What game are yall looking forward to that isn't named Elden ring?

For me it's Sifu,Silksong and Lies of P.

[maiden isle]

Couldnt tell if it was mocapped or not but if I paid for a ticket to be there in person I would be extremely embarassed

[sweet basin]

question if i buy elden ring collectors, wich i have preorderd for pc. Can i still link the game to steam via a key ?

already got an awnser

[north vector]

What games you gonna play until ER?

[hollow mesa]

Me, personally, I'm working on trophies in all the other From games 🙂

[north vector]

Same, if im in the mood

[hollow mesa]

Other than that, I finished mortal shell and am about 40% through hellpoint

[north vector]

I'm currently playing Skyrim and started mortal shell yesterday

[hollow mesa]

Nice! How do you like mortal shell?

[north vector]

As bit confusing ngl

[hollow mesa]

It is, it's even more vague than souls

Hellpoint is even worse

[north vector]

Yeah haven't figured it out completely yet, especially the mechanics

[marble dock]

IDK who he was but I invaded this dude 4 times in DS2, and we had an awesome and respectful fight every time. IDK who you are dude, but you're awesome! - Dual Waffl

[earnest flare]

This is the elden ring server

[north vector]

This is #off-topic

[earnest flare]

It is ??

Oh damn my bad, continue the ds2 talk

[heady burrow]

What do you guys think the bloodborne show will train out to be

[north vector]

Bloodborne show?

[heady burrow]

Yeah bb is going to be made in to a show

Surprised you haven't heard also cuphead is getting a show

[north vector]

U kidding?

[heady burrow]

No seriously

[north vector]

Mhmm

[lucid sky]

Dunno if links are allowed but just google it, it's on HBO

[north vector]

I don't know how to feel about that

Y'all got pets?

[heady burrow]

I have a female and male cat

[heady burrow]

And one parrot

[north vector]

Uh what's their name

[north vector]

I have 2 budgies

[heady burrow]

The female cat is Athena and the male cat is Jupiter

[heady burrow]

What's their names

[north vector]

Kiwi and Blu, cute names btw

[heady burrow]

Ah cute

[lucid sky]

Two cats. Twin males. Red fur. They own me and I have to pay them taxes.

[heady burrow]

Lmao

[lucid sky]

They take a cut every month. And you don't want to know what happens if one misses a payment.

[heady burrow]

Actually my female cat is pregnant

[lucid sky]

Oh congratulations :3

[north vector]

Nawww

[heady burrow]

Send pics of them in media

[north vector]

I don't need to send pics hehe

[lucid sky]

Not sure if that's allowed it does say media related to Elden Ring. They are lords but...

[small jungle]

Yeah, afraid it is just Elden Ring media :s Apologies

[heady burrow]

Oh

[heady burrow]

Send it privately

[north vector]

All the Alexander talk reminds me..my Kindergarden boyfriend's name was Alexander. I broke up with him because he didn't respond to a Christmas card i send him and he was playing with another girl.

[lucid sky]

Ouch, that sucks. Sorry to hear that.

[heady burrow]

I have no memories of that phase

[north vector]

Kindergarden so roughly 20 years ago

[heady burrow]

I keep on clicking edit instead of reply

So annoying

[north vector]

I hope he learned his lesson

[heady burrow]

Yeah I hope he gets stuck in a hole like Alexander

[north vector]

Nowadays I wish these where the peak of my problems lmao

[heady burrow]

Me too

😂

[north vector]

But I don't think I can complain to much. I have a good relationship with my family, have a roof over my head and a bed to sleep in, recently got my bachelor's, aren't in any debts and have 2 very cute birds.

[heady burrow]

Oh that's great

Good for you 👍

[north vector]

Thank you :3

[heady burrow]

Got to go bye

[north vector]

Have an awesome day

[heady burrow]

You too

It's always nice to be positive around people

[north vector]

I try to, especially in difficult times like this

[upper sparrow]

Berserk is supposedly getting a live adaptation, the media industry is deadset on ruining the things I love 🗿

[grand timber]

Indeed

[gray robin]

hi in bloodborne is byrgenwerth meant to be done before hypogean gaol?

[north vector]

What

[paper cedar]

yes

[ivory musk]

Gaol should be done first a while ago, but you do you

[limber quarry]

elding dong

[sturdy sapphire]

Having finished Dead Space and being in the half of the second, I can confirm Isaac Clarke its like Master Chief but with stupid bad luck

[lean parcel]

Hey everyone

[sturdy sapphire]

sup!

[twin sky]

good morning

[gray robin]

too late

jk thank you

[lean parcel]

yay killed Orn&Smough 2nd try, and i got amazing chest ahead

[ivory crescent]

Congrats

Now the real challenge begins

[spice totem]

Does this game gonna have crossplay between pc and xbox on release? It doesnt seems like it

[atomic osprey]

no

cross generation but not cross play

[spice totem]

alright thanks, ill have to buy an xbox then lol

[atomic osprey]

np

[spiral fern]

hi any ideas what are the systems requirement for elden ring in pc?, i want to upgrade mine to play this game

[clear musk]

So in order to get Benhart’s sword, instead of killing him, you need him to survive at least 3 boss fights

[inland patrol]

Yes

[lean parcel]

i still missed many places so i should go there before going deeper into the game xD

[novel tangle]

Yeah what would be a good ps5 equivalent pc

[sturdy sapphire]

Any recomendations for a cool coop PvE game?

[north vector]

Ashen. At least if you look for souls like

[lean parcel]

Any requirements? What type you want?

[neon gate]

Remnant: From the Ashes might be interesting for you

[lean parcel]

Monster hunter world

[nimble cairn]

Deep Rock Galactic

Starbound/Terraria if you're into sandbox games

[royal axle]

I second this

or Monster Hunter Rise

i like MHW more overall, but the tutorial is much slower than Rise's
I'd say Rise is the most fun to play through while World has a better endgame

[idle eagle]

hi its me John ring, a long lost cousin of John souls but better in every way

[royal axle]

Rise is a game i could replay and still have fun with but not feel that invested in grinding for 1000 hours

while world is a game i never want to replay but i'd be happy to waste time in the endgame

[idle eagle]

I remember playing that game

[royal axle]

I made a second character in rise and that was fun to play through again
I made a second character in World and ughhhhhh
I never realized how bad unskippable cutscenes were until i no longer had a reason to see them

like playing through it for the first time is fun, the cutscenes are worth watching
But when replaying it i just want to move on

[idle eagle]

you also had to watch that useless handler almost get you killed multiple times

[royal axle]

her only job is to observe and document stuff why is she running ahead of me

[idle eagle]

proceeds to distract you so a massive chunk of ice falls on your head while you're fighting an elder dragon

[jade mauve]

dead cells

[dense owl]

The witcher 3

Wait I didn’t see the co op I’m a dumb ass

[jade mauve]

oh yeah i didnt either

cancel that,dead cells is singleplayer

[lean parcel]

I also recommend genshin impact if you want free game, but most of gameplay is single player and coop is optional

[opal bay]

co-op all the halo games on legendary

[nova cloak]

any halo game

actually dont buy 5

[sturdy sapphire]

oh thank you all for your suggestions!

[sturdy sapphire]

I would really love to do that with someone

coordinated screen breaking at streets of mombasa

[quaint hemlock]

Hello. Is there anyone who can help me figure this out. Trying to grind the 3 winged nights with only the serpent ring but I'm only getting about 40 souls total.

40k*

I get 14k each :((

[lean parcel]

Go to ringed city and get silver serpent ring +3 lul

[daring pebble]

Isn't that around the first angel

[lean parcel]

Yes, indeed

So its at the start of dlc, all you have to do is to run cuz there is no need to fight

[north vector]

For ghar you either need to beat the painted world or almost the whole base game

[lean parcel]

Whats the problem if Rue is already almost at Twin Princes? And you can do Ariandel in 2 hours

If not less but you gonna miss some items to make haste

[daring pebble]

shes done with the base game i started with her a bit in ariendal dlc

[lean parcel]

Then you got like 10 minutes of running for this ring if you want, you can also make easier game with ring of favor +3 :v

[daring pebble]

i legit thought u had to do a seperate playthrough for +3

[lean parcel]

Nah you gotta go on one branch in dreg heap swamp

[daring pebble]

ya ik where its at

[lean parcel]

But did ya know that you can skip whole swamp

And get to demon prince very fast

[quaint hemlock]

Okie! I'll look that up

[quaint hemlock]

I am done with the final boss

Oh :3

@lean parcel want play with us?

[rustic pecan]

🐔 🤝 👏

[daring pebble]

ya i believe so

[lean parcel]

I have dark souls 3 uninstalled xD

[daring pebble]

kekw

she just killed the firekeeper lmao

[lean parcel]

When you got one angel right before swamp, there should be a branch to jump on below the ground, its close to this single little house where thralls hide

[daring pebble]

ya i think ive done that once before its been awhile

[lean parcel]

I did it like 3 times

I did ng+7 damn i loved dark souls 3, cannot wait for elden ring

[quaint hemlock]

I was standing next to her with my controller in my lap and my thighs killed her ;-;

[daring pebble]

i did like i think 6 or 7 on ps4 bought ds3 on pc a yr ago just finished all bosses like a few days ago hard to get back into ngl

thiccc thighs really do kill lmao

[quaint hemlock]

So we gonna go kill nameless and whatever else and survive without dying twice all the way and then do journey 2

I'm glad we are already at the point where we can do journey 2.... Imagine accidentally doing this half way through

[daring pebble]

ya theres 3 optional bosses then both dlcs which is another 6 bosses

[quaint hemlock]

In journey 2, does the buyable items stay in the shops?

Or do the item shops reset

[lean parcel]

Item shops reset

[quaint hemlock]

Hmmmm

[daring pebble]

ya but its pretty much the same as u progress

[lean parcel]

You have to progress again

[quaint hemlock]

I'ma kill everything before I start journey 2 hehehehe

[lean parcel]

Like i do

[quaint hemlock]

I'm stuck with vigor 29 until journey 2 :3

[daring pebble]

if you dont risk over 2m souls are u really playing dark souls

[quaint hemlock]

I've never seen above 170k

45 strength uwu

[lean parcel]

But ng+ is so ez cuz enemies scales based on their values so iudex gundyr is going to be a minion, same will go for abyss watchers or old demon king

[quaint hemlock]

I'm lvl 97 o.o

[lean parcel]

Cuz imagine if you attack abyss watchers at 120 lvl, they're done in few hits

So ng+ is easy up to ng+5 cuz there they finally are scaled up to give challenge xD but only mid and late game enemies cuz early are ez all the time

[daring pebble]

ive had over a mil before but not much when it costs 100k to level once

[lean parcel]

If i remember lvl ups on ng+7 on lvl 300+ is like 200-300k souls

And mostly you can lvl up only by killing bosses cuz regular enemies gives you pennies

[daring pebble]

ya i forget what soul lvl i was on my ps4

[lean parcel]

I was 338 or 354

(Gael is hell on ng+7 dont do this to yourself plz)
Have fun!

[daring pebble]

ive always found gael easy but fun

[lean parcel]

This cape is cancer

[daring pebble]

never really struggled with him, isnt that cause his dmg is so high or his health?

[lean parcel]

20% of max hp per cape swing

[daring pebble]

oh ya his cape i always get hit by like 5 times lmao

[lean parcel]

Both, his dmg is insane and he has 3rd highiest hp in game (Yhorm>Midir>Gael)

[daring pebble]

yhorm doesnt even count lmao

[lean parcel]

He has highiest hp in series!

[quaint hemlock]

Should totally download game and play with us >:(

[lean parcel]

Im more solo type of person, i like to do things on my own

[quaint hemlock]

Grrr

[daring pebble]

ya but with storm ruler his hps dont matter lmao

[lean parcel]

And i have dark souls remastered to finish

[quaint hemlock]

Xerxes hurry and get on game meanie head >:(

[daring pebble]

im same way but i like to help people

[lean parcel]

Magic of gimmicks

[lean parcel]

Idk im into that ppl should learn souls by themselfes, you should do your 1st playtrought totally solo, to learn everything etc, experience the difficulties

[daring pebble]

yaaaa thats how i played and gonna do elden ring like that honestly but id help others if they wanted it

[lean parcel]

My best advice is "git gud" lol

And directions to items

[daring pebble]

ikr lmao just explore enjoy the experience and git gud

[lean parcel]

Yea, and kill firekeeper with thiccness

[lean parcel]

I'd parry champ gundyr to death

[flint juniper]

yes indeed, i love you all

[daring pebble]

thats exactly what she did lmao

[lean parcel]

Good that firekeeper respawns

[daring pebble]

she does what?

[lean parcel]

i am seething with rage and i must cope

[daring pebble]

let it out

[nova cloak]

sinh is such a cool boss fight

probably my fav in ds2 so far

[quaint hemlock]

With the +3 ring, I only gotten 50k total from the winged knights

:(((

I don't understand what I'm doing wrongggg.

I know I can get more equipment for more souls but aaah I've seen people get more with just the ring I thought

Guess I'll try to get those items

[lean parcel]

Do you have shield of want and mimic helmet on your head?

[quaint hemlock]

I can't seem to get the mimic helmet because I killed all the things and they won't spawn back

I need to get the shield on want. I'll look it up and find it before me go sleepy

I got the shield!

[quaint hemlock]

I got the helmet too :3

Now time for farm >:3

Vigor at 40 now :3 time go bed

[north vector]

Does anyone know how to easily get a Channeler's Trident in Dark Souls Remastered? Cause if tried to farm these dudes for 7h now and still didn't get one

[solemn hull]

Well...

Its a farmfest

[fervent dock]

I gotta say after watching a dark souls two videos I gotta say perhaps I treated that game too harshly

[urban flower]

See if you have any equipment that boosts item discovery

[opal bay]

when i platted DS1 i gave up and went to NG++ to farm other achievements and got it from a random channeler lol

[north vector]

I used the gold snake ring got 10 humanity and use the chest hat ..not sure if I can boost it anymore

I think I'll do my missing trophies and come back on it later. The game really doesn't like me it seems

[urban flower]

Dang... good luck!!! I think leveling normally can also help boost item discovery if I'm remembering correctly.

[fervent dock]

In my headcanon dark souls 2 took place after 3

[digital field]

I bet it was just a children's story or an undead tale they would tell to keep moral up

[lean parcel]

read if you like sausages

[north vector]

99 Luck huh

[mellow sentinel]

ng7 gael has 20 somethin k and yhorm is 57k

yhorm is double gael which is funni

imagine fightin him without storm ruler

[sturdy sapphire]

Does the storm ruler do %base dmg?

[daring pebble]

Fight yhorm with miracles just as good as storm ruler

[fleet bobcat]

The curiosity is too strong.. the datamine bring out new things? (pls don't tell me what, just reply with yes or no)

[daring pebble]

Just check reddit

[fleet bobcat]

I don't want to know what has been datamined, just want to know if someone is already datamining it

[daring pebble]

Ya

[daring pebble]

@teal kiln she's right though

[teal kiln]

@quaint hemlock Again, I'm aware. I built my first PC myself. This prebuilt was just monetarily a real good deal. I'll probably be able to upgrade after christmas. Planning on getting it to a PC shop to have it properly cleaned and installed.

[daring pebble]

Are you just upgrading your existing pc or getting a new one?

[quaint hemlock]

Yes but I wouldn't run it at ALL until you upgrade.

[teal kiln]

Upgrading the one I sent a picture of. New case, cooling, PSU, hopefully mobo.

PCU and GPU are fine.

@quaint hemlock Been running it for 4 months without issue

[daring pebble]

What's your budget

[quaint hemlock]

That's 4 months too long.

It won't be an issue until it is an issue, at which it won't be a working PC anymore.

[daring pebble]

It depends on the psu wattage

[quaint hemlock]

Depends on the efficiency of the psu*

[teal kiln]

Like I said, I'm doing it after christmas. I don't know my budget yet.

[daring pebble]

I mean it depends on both

[daring pebble]

Ah ok

[teal kiln]

what do you even mean it'll blow out the GPU

[daring pebble]

Soo most pre builts have crappy psu and can't out out enough power to sustain power in your pc sure it might work but if u keep on using it then it will give your other components problems in the future

[quaint hemlock]

Your psu could blow and short the PC.

[daring pebble]

Your psu is the only part that u actually want to spend extra money on I'd always play it safe and get a psu more than capable of running my pc

[quaint hemlock]

I used to work at a PC repair shop. A lot of the time what came through were prebuilt PCs with GPUs put in that had blown their prebuilt power supply. Most of the time their PC was just dead.

[daring pebble]

Ya its sad people don't realize that you should try talking to someone who knows about pre builts before u buy one

[teal kiln]

I see. Well thank you for the info.

wonder if my old one could fit in there

[daring pebble]

Basically u dont want your pc running on a potatoe u want a hard working hamster xD

[daring pebble]

Do you know your specs at all?

[teal kiln]

I know my GPU and CPU, rest are from HP

RTX 3060 and a Ryzen 5 5600G

[quaint hemlock]

That's a good little setup

[daring pebble]

Ya that is

[quaint hemlock]

If you PC came with the GPU, it likely has a PSU that is able to handle it. But I would never risk putting a GPU into a prebuilt that didn't already originally have it without swapping out the psu. Could you take a picture of the sticker on the psu and send it to me?

[teal kiln]

Everything is untouched. The GPU and CPU came with the package

[quaint hemlock]

Hmm then it may be fine. still send me the sticker :3

[daring pebble]

Doubt it i had a friend buy a pc and it wouldn't even start cause the psu was so sh*t

You have a link or something to the pc u bought?