US - Utah

[real cedar]

The one above the sink would be the router late haha

[real cedar]

@white field hey. Are you also doing mt Ellen or dry lakes peak?

Cuz you tagged Marys nipple

And I'm pretty sure that sees those two

[white field]

Planned Ellen for hop to Moab

[real cedar]

Hell yeah. Okay so I've gotta update my spreadsheet 😂

@prisma saddle is planning deseret
You got stansbury and Ellen
I've got promontory point, desert and goshute

Holy shit dude

Not sure on time line but it's gonna be large. Probably exceed hop limit from far point to far point

BBS next?

But how. I feel like that's going to take a minute to plan to solve the 7 hop limit problem

[prisma saddle]

then you are going to throw a few up on the next starlink cluster that goes up. and figure out how to get it to propagate through the ionosphere. @real cedar lol.

[real cedar]

We are going to need a way more robust protocol and it cannot be written in Python.

Mesh topology might be a very bad idea for such a thing.

[prisma saddle]

haha. :).

[real cedar]

😂

You know it would be fun though

I just don't got the 23 grand

[prisma saddle]

it’s not call router or router late anymore. it’s called skynet.

[real cedar]

Crowdfund it lmfao

No way we could crowd fund to geo over Utah though

[prisma saddle]

how would the real tesla have done it. we just need a bunch of Wardenclyffe

towers.

[real cedar]

No, none of that nonsense. All you need is S band lora. These are already made. They've been made forever. They've been made since Voyager 1 and 2. S-band telemetry. It probably would not be all that astronomically difficult to adapt such a system to LoRa

Then all you need is a sufficient amount of satellites for coverage on leo

I wonder if you could do it in less than seven satellites? 😂

Yeah, bro. I got three hops to Russia.

[prisma saddle]

lol

[real cedar]

Putin would probably merc the thing out of orbit

[slate urchin]

I have a question for the group: How do I reset my map? It seems like I have a lot of nodes that are months old, and I am not sure if they are still being used.

[real cedar]

You do a nodedb reset on your node

You a 20 or a 51er?

So who's KZ7V_QTH?

That nodes got good SNR with me and my router late lol

[prisma saddle]

hmm can’t remember. i thought i saw someone talk about it a few days ago. hmm.

def a ham.

[real cedar]

Cool!

I've finally got a ham close by

Does this ham know of meshing around and HF relaying haha

[prisma saddle]

oh it’s @pseudo kestrel

went back a week of talk.

[real cedar]

God dammit I just need to pony up and build the RAK routers and take them up on the mini bike

RAX!!!

Fellow hackerspace rax

[prisma saddle]

truck is his too.

[real cedar]

Hell yeah

[prisma saddle]

lol.

[pseudo kestrel]

I think you might have the wrong guy

I have neither a truck nor a HAM cert

😦

[prisma saddle]

hmmm.

i’ll re-search lol.

sorry. my bad lol.

[real cedar]

Awwwww

[prisma saddle]

ohhh let’s try thiss lol @dense basin

that’s it haha.

[pseudo kestrel]

though, a HAM cert would be neat, and I have my eyes on the new TELO trucks

[prisma saddle]

any good?

[pseudo kestrel]

goofy little thing, size of a mini cooper, fits a whole sheet of plywood in the bed

I love it

[prisma saddle]

haha sounds fun.

lol wow

[pseudo kestrel]

they had an absurdly tall car reviewer hang out in one, like nearly 7ft tall

[pseudo kestrel]

https://youtu.be/OZRLbJ7kmTc

about 08:55

[real cedar]

Hella cool

Its high time I did us a solid. I'll get prom up in the next two weeks

Got a trace to bash way down south!

🥳

[dense basin]

Ya lol the KZ7V nodes are me - what are yall up to

[dense basin]

Yup lol

[dense basin]

Actually rented a boom lift and picking it up now, putting up a 50 foot HF antenna mast and gonna put my node on it too

[prisma saddle]

that will be fun. get pics. lol

[real cedar]

That's awesome haha

[dense basin]

RAIN RAIN GO AWAY

[prisma saddle]

better signal for @real cedar

haha

[real cedar]

You know I'm liking it. It's good data

Neptunia only has 2x18650s and a tiny rak solar panel

AUR has a 25W solar panel and 4x21700s

Seems I know which I can sleep easy about in winter with no insolation

[dense basin]

Yeah man they are holding power well

That is awesome

But AUR is solid

[real cedar]

Neptunia tells me we can't use rak wizmesh minis or whatever

For high routers

Too weak of a solar panel

Having a panel that can trickle charge under clouds is a big help

[dense basin]

Which rak panel does it have? Or what's the wattage on it?

[real cedar]

https://store.rakwireless.com/products/wishmesh-meshtastic-solar-repeater-mini

This panel

[dense basin]

Oof they don't even say

[real cedar]

Yeah it's low down there

Barely enough to charge if a device is going full tilt

Add GPS and your hosed

Haha

[dense basin]

Oh HX-1040X90

5V 380mA optimal hmm

I feel defeated today, like God himself is against this antenna project

Arrive at rental place, truck is not on their "approved list of tow vehicles"

Get mad, grab ladder

Ladder breaks

Get madder, climb tree with rope

Rain starts and slip off branch

Now I'm pacing around the yard fuming

$500 in antenna parts just laying on the lawn mocking me

[real cedar]

Well. Time to take a step back and chill out. Grab a beer. Reapproach when the sun comes out

Ain't no hurry 😂

Honestly onaqui has been my most reliable hop lmfao

That just makes me laugh cuz it's the furthest away

[dense basin]

https://www.universalrentall.com/items-1?pgid=kwmb6uvz-5f9cabdf-ad9a-4827-afe3-7d07286bb075

Just rented that for Thursday

I will not be defeated

Well I might be defeated if I die in the process but I have insurance

[real cedar]

Ahh dude I've been on 100 and 150 ft boom lifts

You'll be fine

Hell I did so without a harness sometimes. OSHA don't @ me

[dense basin]

Whats a harness?

[prisma saddle]

doing death pull-ups off the side.

[dense basin]

I get shaky and pukey on a 6 foot step ladder i can't imagine a 150' boom

I had to gas myself up with drugs just for the lift I was supposed to rent today

[prisma saddle]

haha ya i’m the same. i do diy holiday lights so climbing up on a latter setting up my 20’ mega tree is hard sometimes. @dense basin

fun times.

[dense basin]

Oh damn

Looks like its animated?

[prisma saddle]

better pic lol

yup

[dense basin]

That is super badass

[prisma saddle]

enjoy https://youtube.com/@lightsonadmiral?feature=shared

[dense basin]

Holy shit dude

Is there an LED matrix on the garage door or is it projected?

And you code this yourself or they come in libraries?

[prisma saddle]

projected matrix. virtual matrix.

[prisma saddle]

xlights.org

is the rendering software.

just another one of my rabbit 🐇 hole hobbies

[real cedar]

Buck converters working

Time for Boost

Then I'm running this node out to Thurston peak

This RAK shall not die

[pseudo kestrel]

???

do they have a list of makes/models you're allowed to use???

[dense basin]

Yup. Ridiculous.

Not listed on website, nothing said about it when I called - just "nope your truck isn't on our list you can't tow it away"

I showed him where my truck had a tow package rated at twice the weight of the lift, and he still said nope not on the list

[pseudo kestrel]

jesus

[prisma saddle]

holy batteries!

[prisma saddle]

so what’s the plan? what do you have?

i have a f150. would they let that or have to be 250/350. 2500/3500?

[dense basin]

F150 was on the list I think. Ive got a Tacoma with the tow stuff, rated to 6400. Lift was 3000 with just a 300lb tongue weight.

Im having another rental company drop a self-driving lift off at my house. It's 4wd, longer horizontal reach, and was only like $100 more including delivery fee

Plus it won't be raining then. So maybe this was for the best

[prisma saddle]

oh cool. good.

[real cedar]

I was unable to successfully plant Thurston BTW. The snow on the back side passes sucks

[prisma saddle]

stilll? dang!

[real cedar]

Yeah.. I got to about right before the radar station and had to turn around due to a very dangerous cornice

I would not fuck with it while raining

Its ready to wet slide soon. Which might clear the road or it might rip it out

I got down around 1 am. Wasn't bad I enjoyed the silence in the rain. Had a mountain lion curiously follow me for a while. I spotted it with my flashlight once then it went back to glowing beads. It wasn't interested in me for meat after a while it was evident it was on the same path and checking to make sure I didn't upslope towards it. Was probably more scared of me than I had ever bothered to think of it

@maiden wraith I think your the one with the Francis peak node that's dead out there. Yeah no can do still buddy. You might wait on that minibike trip. The snow is not stable and deceptive

[real cedar]

ASR is not alive and should disappear from the map in time 😂

[prisma saddle]

sounds awesome! would be fun

[real cedar]

Yeah it's rough in the spot that it is. It's not brown snow so it won't melt quick. It's still white ice

[prisma saddle]

hey at least it’s not yellow snow.

[real cedar]

There might be some up there

😂

[prisma saddle]

Pit stop?.

[real cedar]

It was a very therapeutic night though. I have to say. Quiet.. Silent hill like.. Light rain.. Cold.. My second favorite environment only to snow

[real cedar]

Multiple

Tried to stay hydrated

I knew full well once I was snowshoeing at night I was no longer what one would consider to be in a safe zone

[real cedar]

@white field hacker camp guys all said they were amazed by seeing the mesh down there. Good job on placing marys nipple!

What an OP placement too haha

[dense basin]

Node "thing 2" has identical gps coordinates to my node kz7v qth. Is someone camping in my backyard

[leaden crow]

I’m pretty sure that was a node at hacker camp this weekend. Not sure who it belongs to though.

[prisma saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/what-hello-yes-say-what-gif-1830463024043581661

[dense basin]

Well whoever it is, we have some pretty good cheese inside and a fresh loaf of the Mrs' sourdough

[real cedar]

If I were I would be client hidden without a location 🤣 respond to known only

JK jk

[real cedar]

LMFAO. Well I trace route to you and this was interesting. A client mute did the rebroadcast. It must be my garage making the signal/snr weak

[prisma saddle]

it can do that???

[real cedar]

Apparently so

Anyways AUR is now router late

Admin WAY MORE RELIABLE on 2.6

Way More

[white gyro]

We caught another passenger plane with somebody sending messages. Parowan to Hanksville ~150km

[prisma saddle]

@real cedar PIs delivered. sd cards too.

[real cedar]

Hell yeah. What do you all have cataloged so far and what's your planned design

[real cedar]

Was its name blueberry also guys. Please don't use lora on planes. It can and will interfere with the transponder

😂

I mean I'm laughing but don't get yourselves in trouble

[prisma saddle]

I don’t know that’s a you are for 🙂 i’ve never done a node with a Pi before, but I was planning a rak but I don’t know what you would suggest for an antenna for that kind of thing.

unless you have a better idea 🙂

[obsidian storm]

Does anyone here do atak over mesh tastic? I was looking in there's a plug-in for in the docs

[real cedar]

I do

But for drone interrogation

Not for what most people would dable with it on. It's pretty good. It's got quirks

The plugin is best used on android through an app called Obtanium. You can then just download that plugins latest version from git and install it

I do the same with the meshtastic app as I dont have Google Play services

[real cedar]

Do you want to test it out. I've yet to make an official TAK server but we could host one at the space. The problem is that nodes too dug in

Alternatively you could make an atak server on your lab.. I'm not sure how you'd like to mine on my lab but atak is usually meant to be c2 and stuff so that's probably not a feature it can do.

Let me get some links

First and foremost. Any person who likes open source android stuff you better have obtanium
https://obtainium.imranr.dev/

Atak meshtastic plugin git
https://github.com/meshtastic/ATAK-Plugin

Android app git
https://github.com/meshtastic/Meshtastic-Android

https://www.civtak.org/download-atak/

https://mytecknet.com/lets-build-a-tak-server/

I would highly suggest precision time and NTP to be available as tak can be a time source

[obsidian storm]

Is this better than the official meshtastic plugin for atak?

Does your keep crashing?

Because mine keeps crashing with the atak meshtastic plugin enabled.

[real cedar]

It is the official 🤣

Look at the root

Meshtastic/ATAK-Plugin

I'm pretty sure there's another floating out there but it was abandonware

[obsidian storm]

ah, I see.

I'm working on spinning up a server right now.

I figured out the app would crash on the new 5.4 apk but the 4.10 apk works fine.

[real cedar]

You know, honestly, if you figure out all the quirks with spinning a server up, I think it would be a very valuable write-up to read.

I'm working on hosting and setting up a full documentation page for the mesh

Similar to pudget mesh

[real cedar]

Might be a pilot?

[white gyro]

We did get a pilot last year I think, but since then I think it's just been about 5 passengers over the year. One guy put a photo in the bay area discord of the device held next to the plane window. I don't think it's interesting enough to break the rule. We never respond to them. We can tell from the altitude that it's a pressurized cabin and less likely to be a private plane.

And sometimes they tell us their flight number :/

[real cedar]

LMFAO well I suppose all is well if the flight attendant isn't educated enough to know what it is

I just worry that overtime it might draw attention or worse interfere with something causing bans

[vital hemlock]

Watching some lora traffic on my hackrf, saw this. Interesting traffic pattern. Very intermittent.

There is a reoccurring shape on both sides of the line, it's not interference, it's some spread-spectrum transmission. Cool

[obsidian storm]

Do we have a map of all the the router placements?

For 51

I'm trying to determine if there are any nodes north of Ogden, in Tooele, or ones that reach Heber or park city

[leaden crow]

@white field has the locations.
Onaquai (not on the map, named Meshtastic 38fb) probably reaches much of Tooele.
I have plans to place a node on Desolation Peak when the snow melts, it would likely serve part of park city
@maiden wraith has a node near Francis peak that needs some attention when the snow melts.

[real cedar]

So I've got a node that will go out to promontory point but the northern most router is currently neptunia and the next northern most is AUR

Francis peak is dead and the snow is far too treacherous to get to it for now

Toele is gonna have stansbury soon according to @white field

@leaden crow so I'm recovering the cells and its going well. All 21700s exceed 5000 mAh

They are all Samsung and LG cells too. No chinkbats

[prisma saddle]

great project for the kitchen :).

[obsidian storm]

what do those come from?

How do I see where Neptunia is ? I can't see it on the Meshtastic app's map.

[real cedar]

It doesn't broadcast its general location to the rest of the mesh.

It's far too easy to access and it's nearby my house and it's mostly there to serve as routing everything south of Hill Air Force Base that has a hard time.

But if you really want to know, it's near the Weber State Campus around here. Not the main one, the satellite ones south of the base.

[real cedar]

Honestly, they're just there to store while I work on my mini bike in the garage. They'll come back to the garage when I'm done with that project.

I'd rather have them somewhere temperature controlled in case I forget to go put them back.

Once I clean up this garage and get this mini bike put together, which is gonna happen today because there is no way in hell I'm missing Memorial Day in Delta. Then I'll have all the batteries back in here.

Mini bike madness weekend.

[prisma saddle]

sounds awesome

[pseudo kestrel]

my tracker keeps re-discovering NPR, this is the 4th time I've seen "New Node Seen: NPR" on my phone today

[real cedar]

Its if you don't see a node for more than 24 hrs I think

Or something like that

[pseudo kestrel]

it hasn't behaved like that before, is it new behavior?

[real cedar]

It could be your node, I'm not having that problem. I would consider backing up your configuration and going ahead in factory resetting. But I would do it the NRF-52 reset method laid out on the firmware update page if it's a rak.

[pseudo kestrel]

💔 I'll go plug in my laptop

(thank you for the second opinion)

[prisma saddle]

same don’t have the same issue on my t1000e or any of my rak.

[pseudo kestrel]

T1000e firm 2.6.4?

[prisma saddle]

yup.

[pseudo kestrel]

🫡 I'm gonna try nuking the nodeDB first, then I'll factory flash it if that doesn't work 🙂

[white field]

Yeah I’m gonna do it sometime after I get back from camping this weekend

[real cedar]

That's gonna be so awesome for the people that are there that have been waiting for a long time.

I will probably get that tuna up once I decide on whether I'm going to do a one watt node for it. I really want to, but at the end of the day, it's a way harder thing to design and keep reliable.

And Raks are maximum easy mode lazy

😂

I probably will because there's an intellectual challenge associated with this one. I actually do want to go design and get my own printed circuit board for an MPPT integrated with the Charge Controller and everything I pretty much wanted on that kind of node with all the means to actually read it out on the processor and send it over meshtastic

I really do want to make a robust and very efficient design and I wanted to be able to handle any battery chemistry and be programmable. And here's the asking for the moonshot part. I need to make it economical so I can get it to you guys.

[prisma saddle]

that would be awesome. all in one node

all the best features for a router node or so.

[real cedar]

Well, that's what I'm thinking, right? If I have to spend the money to get these things anyway, well, let me cut out the middleman a little bit and take the circuit of choice that I want to have. And then integrate the battery in the charging system onto the same board, make it as small as I can, make it economical, make it support any chemistry.

That way when people buy it or use the design or have it printed or whatever I decide to do with it, they can just plug in their battery of choice and program it to charge it properly and everything can be on one board and easy to monitor.

[real cedar]

Full disclosure @obsidian storm a lot of those blue lime juice LOL. Are for an eMTB build they aren't all promised but some will be used to construct a dense AF 52V pack for the purposes of long range and high performance not one or the other

This bike will be the very definition of "Stupid fucking death wish"

[real cedar]

@white field I talked to DC702. There's a person willing to make a signal peak node. He asks that we put a node on Mt Belknap to connect to Marys nipple so st George can connect to the Utah mesh

Thoughts?

Because then all one would need to do is place a BBS relay and one could connect the Vegas mesh to the Utah mesh after that and these are both gigantic so bbs would be the only option

This would effectively make it possible for DC801 to email (what BBS really is) DC702 over the mesh haha. @pseudo kestrel @obsidian storm might find that super cool

[white field]

Hell yeah, let’s send it

[real cedar]

Fucking done let me go tell elforesto

[white field]

I mean without the limitations of NPR link attempts I was fine on 85mile links with Medium Fast. I’m pretty sure we could run higher throughput on these remote nodes

Yeah that summit looks like it’s got some old hardware up there.

[real cedar]

Si se puede

Both nodes need to have identical 8 to 10 db antennas

I suggest rak and only a filter on signal peak

Cuz Vegas noise and stuff

[white field]

Uh how far is the hop?

[real cedar]

A glorious 96 miles

[white field]

Oh one of them will have Vegas noise????

[real cedar]

Yes signal peak can see vegas

[white field]

Tbh, that might be the limiting factor

[real cedar]

We must be careful

🤣

Nah the filter won't hurt much

Use 10 DBI on signal

8 on mt belknap

[white field]

Yeah just from the perspective of the noise from the city being rough to work with

[real cedar]

Its not a lot its heavily attenuated by the mojave it crosses

But it's above that of belknap for sure

[white field]

Yeah I mean NPR can directly see Mary’s nipple

[real cedar]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marysvale_volcanic_field

I thought it would be funny if you named it (🌋)

[white field]

Marys Nipple can see NPR

But not the other way

[real cedar]

If we filter npr our problems go away. Plus if we 1 watt and filter it lol

[white field]

Yeah if those nodes are setup that way then they will be fine

[real cedar]

Yeah I told him to use a rak and filter his

[white field]

Mary’s nipple is a bit of a sensitive environment. I would prefer to avoid increasing the size since it’s a nice viewpoint and the top is pretty small

Oh burger to bell nap won’t see too much noise

[real cedar]

Yeah we don't have to increase the size much just the antenna sadly if we want a shot at doing this but I figure I've got the spray pain to make it blend and it's belknap.. A massive old stratovolcano that blew its top off. There's nothing up there and it's totally believable to put a weather station on it. I have an anemometer we can make it look like one

[white field]

Hmm, you sure about that?

Have we range tested MF?

I’m only lost signal from city noise

I have never maxed out with a standard 5dbi on remote nodes

[real cedar]

Its nearly the same as LF

SF is where it shortens

But not by much

There's people getting city peak to city peak 150 mile links in California

You just gotta filter is all

[white field]

Oh nice

[real cedar]

Yeah the db difference isn't much its why I say before we have to go scrambling again and again haha why don't we just gun it to SF in mid June when the peaks are fully melting off

That way recovery is possible

And we have lots of months to debug

I'm actually starting to shy away from the 1 watt node except for nebras

They are hard to build

Raks go so far and I found out why

They have a SAW filter in them already that's half decent so when we add our we exponentially quiet things down

Its the whole reason they transmit around 24 to 25 dBm even though the xmitter inside technically does 27 on the conductor. The filter has its own insertion loss

[obsidian storm]

What solar panel and antenna should I buy for these 5 solar nodes? I plan to hike around and place them in places where they'll expand the network.

[vital hemlock]

Five raks and six sensors? I have an idea that will save you $7.

😁

Last I heard the soshine panels were the recommended. (I assume the sensor and ublox are for an existing node)

[obsidian storm]

The extra sensor is for a different node 😁

This one?
https://a.co/d/1A2oeXe

[vital hemlock]

@leaden crow I believe so, right Dag?

[leaden crow]

Yeah, those have been great for me. A lot of people on #solar-power use that panel

Also, you can find a bunch of mount / enclosure prints for it. I've used Voltaic enclosures stuff on printables and the remixes of his stuff.

The RAK enclosures with built in solar panel are nice too.
https://store.rakwireless.com/products/unify-enclosure-ip67-150x100x45mm-with-pre-mounted-m8-5-pin-and-rp-sma-antenna-ip-rated-connectors?index=5131&variant=42861623738566

The only thing I don't like is that they use SMA, and your typically pole mounting would leave the panel not angled for optimal sun exposure.

[obsidian storm]

I'm going to try 3d printing an enclosure for fun

https://www.printables.com/model/297089-v2-meshtastic-3w-solar-enclosure-base-station-lora
I'm looking at this enclosure and it is suggesting a 3w panel

I'm guessing that's too low?

I'm going through the gdoc. I think that'll answer my question:
https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/12GIY24vLKLABg2RUTPP6yMzokr44GMzJOE4p7ngaCbI/mobilebasic

[leaden crow]

3W is more than enough for a RAK. I really don't like those ones that are held together by 100 screws. At some point you need to get into it and it will be super annoying. I really like this one:
https://www.printables.com/model/820212-meshtastic-solar-base-station

[prisma saddle]

get that makes my 5w overkill lol

[obsidian storm]

Then that's the one I'll make!

[leaden crow]

If you want to do all 3d printed and not buy an enclosure, you can add this one:
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4094861

I'll find it in my history. I made exactly that for a friend.

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[obsidian storm]

How do you deal with lightning with a setup like this?

[leaden crow]

With a standalone solar node, you don't.

If it's connected to your mains anywhere, and is the tallest structure around. I would definitely use a lightning arrestor / protector.

[obsidian storm]

Like a nebra

[leaden crow]

Yes, that would be wise. I didn't bother with my roof node, because I have trees that are significantly taller on 3 sides.

[obsidian storm]

Where would you put the protection, on the antenna or on the ethernet cable?

[leaden crow]

I would get one like this and place it on the antenna
https://www.amazon.com/Proxicast-Coaxial-Lightning-Arrester-N-Female/dp/B0C6D3Y9NT/?th=1

That was just the first result I linked, make sure if you buy one it has the right connectors. Most likely M > F.

[obsidian storm]

Deal. I'll wait till I get the gear so I can check

[leaden crow]

Hey, I saw your question on the DC801 channel about messaging on linux.
I use this:
https://github.com/pdxlocations/contact
but you can also just use the web client.

[prisma saddle]

This is cool. And this runs on a pi or something?

[leaden crow]

Yeah, any linux meshtastic client (running meshtasticd)

[obsidian storm]

I want to build a bot for a private channel

hence my asking

I'd love to build scripts and trigger them on my home infra over meshtastic.

or build a fun CTF-bot.

[leaden crow]

You have a whole bunch of choices
https://github.com/SpudGunMan/meshing-around
https://github.com/868meshbot/meshbot
https://github.com/pskillen/meshtastic-bot

[prisma saddle]

i was thinking of something simualr to test from one location/node to another. with auto replies.. so that could maybe work with what i was triyng to do lol

[fiery sparrow]

Just a reminder to the group, I have hundreds of 18650s that are free to good homes in the SLV, or if anyone wants to travel to get them. Just send me a DM

also have a limited number of Lishen 21700s for those who like to live a little more dangerously 😄

[prisma saddle]

Lots of new nodes today.. or maybe just being turned since a while.

[leaden crow]

I am configuring 6 new T1000e today for people at my work that bought them.

[prisma saddle]

ah cool. that must be them 🙂

[prisma saddle]

@real cedar which OS were you suggesting again for these rpi 0 2w? alma?

[real cedar]

3 is a little low to survive the winter. You want 6-10 as you'll lose 30% of your solar output in winter

[real cedar]

Fuck yeah I'll always take more than I have but I'll let everyone here claim first. TBF I have a lot of projects that use A LOT of cells haha

You do the same thing and shuck them out of stuff?

[real cedar]

Alpine Linux is my default go to

But honestly Debian 12 is fine too

I'm just chasing minimum power. Debian will be far easier

[obsidian storm]

HECK YEAH.

That was EZ

under 200 lines of code too.

[fiery sparrow]

Yeah, out of ebike packs that aren't happy anymore.

[real cedar]

Hell yeah man I'm assembling a pack myself one of these days that's why I could always use extra. My goal is high performance haha not the longest range for my bike. Gonna bafang it

[real cedar]

Is that your own not you decided to run or dagrons scripts?

[obsidian storm]

my own

that's why it's so simple.

I need to come up with useful commands

[prisma saddle]

oh alpine not alma lol cool thanks im gonna get that started

[leaden crow]

Are you installing meshtastic or meshtasticd on that RPi?

[prisma saddle]

d if i recall from @real cedar directions a few weeks ago

[leaden crow]

I would just stick to Raspbian. I personally hate that it's not rolling release, but it's the best supported.
https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/devices/linux-native-hardware/?os=raspbian

[prisma saddle]

power wise. not an issue? just remove unneeded stuff?

[leaden crow]

I don't think you'd see any difference in power usage just by distro. I would definitely do Raspbian lite, not run the desktop on it.

[prisma saddle]

so then from there im usb > usb c to the rak and uses meshtasticd to talk to the rak right? or am i all wrong in this setup @leaden crow

[leaden crow]

oh, if you're plugging in a RAK, you want meshtastic, not meshtasticd

[prisma saddle]

oh ok. .not sure if i was putting a lora radio on this thing or going with a rak.

[leaden crow]

confusing, but meshtasticd is for devices that run the meshtastic firmware right on the pi

[prisma saddle]

@real cedar didnt fully explain lol

[leaden crow]

If you put the transceiver right on it, like a meshadv hat, then you would use meshtasticd

If you plugging in a RAK via USB, you use these instructions:
https://meshtastic.org/docs/software/python/cli/installation/

[fiery sparrow]

Since I've not been paying attention, whats the TLDR between long fast and medium fast currently?

[leaden crow]

We are currently on LongFast frequency slot 51. It's looking like we will outgrow LongFast this year. We'll probably test switching to MF or MS again.

[fiery sparrow]

anyone successfully using the 2.6 branch, or everyone still holding on 2.5?

[prisma saddle]

i’ve been using 2.6 on all my devices for the past 2 months. rak. tbeam and t1000e.

[leaden crow]

All my stuff is on 2.6

[fiery sparrow]

ok cool

[prisma saddle]

ya. map and list is getting large.

[fiery sparrow]

So just this change?

[leaden crow]

You seeing any other nodes? We have pretty good coverage

I've never used the Android app, you might still need to select preset LongFast

[fiery sparrow]

That's in there unchanged. No frequency slot option under channel

Getting out of the basement to check.

[prisma saddle]

ya freq slot is only under lora config.

i’m thinking android defaults the 0 chan to LongFast. if not make sure to set that name.

[fiery sparrow]

That's what I got.. nothing showing just yet ..

[prisma saddle]

kill off your uplink and downlink. although not sure if anyone cares. just the mqtt stuff.

[prisma saddle]

give it time.

[fiery sparrow]

Okay

[fiery sparrow]

Still nothing... Hmmm

[prisma saddle]

reboot it? also what’s its name?

i’ll see if i see it

rebooting sends out node info

i’ll restart mine for ya.

[fiery sparrow]

Channel and air utilization percentages are nuts..

[prisma saddle]

oh did you reset nodedb too?

[fiery sparrow]

Yup

[prisma saddle]

ok rebooting mind.

mine.

ok i rebooted 3 of mine. ACE.

is their prefix.

and an jal. anything

?

[fiery sparrow]

Nope. Nothing... Gonna factory reset and try again

[prisma saddle]

and your as high as possible? what device was it?

[fiery sparrow]

It's up a bit, but not thrown up in a tree.

Got nodes with factory options, but that could be anyone.

[prisma saddle]

ya if that’s slot 20 though ?

[prisma saddle]

or you changed back to 51?

[fiery sparrow]

20

[prisma saddle]

oh and you did actually do modem preset longfast right ?

ah ok ya 20 not us.

[fiery sparrow]

It defaults that

[prisma saddle]

ok was confused since it was not selected here.

[fiery sparrow]

Just changed slot.. waiting

Back by my lonesome on 51

[prisma saddle]

Lets test a channel. Ill send the link to add it.

Sent. Message in that once its added.

Hopefully it adds and not overwrites.

Never shared from Android before.

[pseudo kestrel]

I've never seen that message before O.o

[prisma saddle]

oh that’s new.

[pseudo kestrel]

I do see @fiery sparrow on my node list though

and their node responded to a traceroute 🙂

[prisma saddle]

hmm my roof node just saw potm new. like yours was doing. weird. @pseudo kestrel

[fiery sparrow]

I had to stick it in a tree.. it won't be able to live there.. I'll have to find something more permanent to stick outside

[pseudo kestrel]

I think mine was a combo of uptime and amount of nodes in my DB

[prisma saddle]

ah. ok.

[pseudo kestrel]

your node should see a couple routers here shortly I'd hope

[fiery sparrow]

I got Nelson peak..

[prisma saddle]

weird now my t1000e says new on potm. hmmm.

[pseudo kestrel]

2.6.x firm?

[prisma saddle]

yup

[pseudo kestrel]

hmm, the "more details" button is now missing from my app.......

ah, known issue

will be fixed in 2.6.2(app)

[prisma saddle]

can you trace it?

[fiery sparrow]

Direct connection

[prisma saddle]

ok cool. see any others?

[fiery sparrow]

Potm but it prefers going out Nelson.

[prisma saddle]

ya mine goes npr > potm then directly back. kinda funny.

[fiery sparrow]

Ok, done playing outside.

[fiery sparrow]

Can someone show me how setting to frequency slot 51 looks on an IOS device? Trying to help a buddy get their stuff going.

[prisma saddle]

oh one thing forgot to have you do on yours is set the hops to like 5-6.

:). can help too.

[prisma saddle]

hmm gonna take my extra solar rak mode up to cabin this weekend. see who is out there. hobble creek.

i’d like to work my way down to springville maybe get node up at the top somewhere.

[real cedar]

I would not be so confident lol

Linux first off is a disaster 🤣. Secondly. SystemD is extraordinarily heavy. If you have the skills the adaptation of the systemD process to s6 or runit is a breeze. But if you don't it could be intimidating. I did say I am running alpine because I'm chasing as minimal and as low power as I can get it to run

The less running the better

Plus 😂 everything on the distro is static linked. No dynamic linking. That's fun. I found I actually like writing that way in c with libc-musl instead of glibc but I digress. I am a fan of minimalism and efficiency not comfort. 🤣

[prisma saddle]

i’d love your guidance suggestions for the pi. and were you thinking a. lora hat or usb to rak?

[real cedar]

It honestly depends on your comfortability with Linux. I will defer to Debian if you're not very comfortable.

[leaden crow]

The question is, does it actually translate to battery use? All mine are running Raspbian lite and they are 99.x idle all the time. I just don't see one distro at 99.2% idle saving much battery over another at 99.4% idle.

[real cedar]

So the problem with what you're comparing here is you already have a relatively heavy operating system compared to a slightly trimmed down, but still a very heavy operating system.

System D is what's heavy and I actually can prove it. If we get two laptops at the space that are identical, I bet you you will see less use on a system with run it versus a system with system D.

It's the natural consequence of less code running, thus less operations, less switching, more idling, more low power states.

I've actually measured this on my laptops that I daily.

[leaden crow]

Debian is just a known quantity, it's pretty much the best supported outside enterprise.
I hate OS upgrades so much, I'd rather always have a rolling release.

[real cedar]

It's Python. If you can't get Python to run an operating system, you've done something wrong. Although, I will give you credit if you upgrade Python on the same operating system, it will break everything, even though you did nothing wrong.

[prisma saddle]

yup can do any of that.

just need to know the best and packages needed. etc.

[real cedar]

Oh, well in that case I would just run Alpine Linux or void Linux and then I would trim out every single thing that isn't necessary.

If you don't need I2C, disable it. If you don't need you, disable it. If you don't need whatever is going on on that device, disable it.

I realize my advice is blunt, but rip everything out and make it as minimal as possible, with as least attack surface as possible, and as least information left behind.

As in just a couple of keys 🤣 and a small daemon

[leaden crow]

No argument there, just enough OS to run Python is preferable. I'm not going to push people to run my preference (Arch). It's too easy to point people at the official support documentation and let them figure it out.

[real cedar]

Its all a man needs

300 baud

Okay, that last part is just me trolling.

[leaden crow]

Haha, you are too young IMO to state that. My first modem was 2400 baud and it was not enough, trust me.

Try downloading Wolfenstein 3D at 300 baud and we'll talk about it again. 😁

[real cedar]

Actually, that's fucking genius. The alternative to alpine Linux, or void Linux, which by the way, void Linux is probably my favorite distribution of all time, just behind Gentoo. But moving on from that. Just enough OS. It exists. It's a thing. And I wonder if it could be built for a Raspberry Pi to run just the mesh stuff

All I really need is busy box. Why does everybody have to overcomplicate things?

[prisma saddle]

lol. think mine was 9600. then 14400.

[real cedar]

Not yall

But you know. Linux devs

[prisma saddle]

haha.

[real cedar]

How lossy can I be 😂

@leaden crow

https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:JeOS

In theory, it's actually doable. We would just have to consult the openSuse Docs. Compile it onto the pie. And in theory, it's an old kind of just work. It's Python. All we really need is everything that Python relies on underneath. And then, some of the pip add-ons.

We don't even need a full Linux terminal. We just need the apps to run.

[prisma saddle]

need to create an image of that sometime and distro it for ease of new setups.

[leaden crow]

I'm not sure what distro choice the femtofox people made, but that is the perfect platform for optimizing.

[real cedar]

They chose Ubuntu core. A very cut down version if Ubuntu

Mostly because the hardware forced them to

[white field]

The panels are so overpowered for rak modules. Mine never ever drop below 92%

[ember torrent]

Did your node used to locate itself on HAFB? ~Awhile back there was a node “located” near their park. Made me quietly snicker.

[vital hemlock]

@leaden crow @real cedar Diet-Pi, friends. Easy, lean. It's my middle ground go-to.

https://dietpi.com/

[prisma saddle]

anything you cange on it when you deploy it? or you keep it how it comes?

[vital hemlock]

I add a few things here and there that I like; btop, locate, duf, etc

but it's good like it is

[real cedar]

No that was Zed2 that did that

[prisma saddle]

messing with it now.. so far its pretty cool and easy to deploy.

[vital hemlock]

On devices like the pi zeros the ram usage difference is profound

[prisma saddle]

does it use any power/mem to have the hdmi enabled/etc or best to disable via the config dietpi.txt ?

[vital hemlock]

That's a point of contention, some folks have said it does save power, I've never dug into the arguments.

[prisma saddle]

dropbear vs openssh @vital hemlock power/etc wise.. id guess drop since its on there.. but.. ?

[vital hemlock]

openssh for me, dropbear is fine if you are only getting into the device with ssh occasionally

for a remote system I'm sure it's fine, for something at home I am in and out of all the time I want better key management

[prisma saddle]

you find a way to embed the dietpi.txt into the image file so you dont have to copy it over after flashing?

[prisma saddle]

Messing with contact.. dang this is way cool!

[ember torrent]

Numerous nodes show-up using the online Meshtastic Maps.

[real cedar]

Anything that uses less resources uses less power but whether it's measurable or people actually understand how to measure that is up for debate

[real cedar]

We don't do channel 20 which is likely what they are on. Unless they are for sure 51 in which case I'm working on a plan

Anything showing up north of Layton is on the crappy channel

Which is fine but it won't work for 51. And honestly my hesistation in deploying 51 northward is literally the Ogden valley. There 31 routers last count in the ogden area on CH 20

There's literally a solar powered rak router in the ravine of the Weber river. Why?

Cuz they could end up screwing us pretty bad if they find it and go ohhh cool there's 51.. And they vomit out routers like on 20 haha

I actually have a TON of hope 2.6.x changes that. The firmware makes it annoying and painful to set router mode by forcing you to acknowledge stuff and that might make us have two viable frequencies which would be so cool

[ember torrent]

So is this a frequency slot 51 discord?

[leaden crow]

Most of the people active here are on LF51. Not everyone, and it’s not some exclusive club. You’re more than welcome to join our discussion and use whatever preset and frequency slot you want. I know several people here from south end of utah county and/or davis up north could not reach anyone on LF51.

[void iris]

This is a general Utah meahtastic discord, however at some point a bunch of us decided to build a much more intentional infrastructure and decided to do it on channel 51. Therefore many of the people here have started using 51 because it is much more stable than 20

[ember torrent]

Makes sense. Now i wont panic when i cant see your peak nodes on 20.

Maybe a silly question that struck me earlier regarding the peak nodes and semi showed up now again; why have conversations about a private slot on a public discord? Confused me a little after finding this discord.

[real cedar]

So it's not an exclusive club at all but yeah most people here are on 51 because they wanted to usefully communicate across the state. Instead of asking those on 20 to change their stuff it was easier to move to 51. That's the history I was informed of

[real cedar]

Because it's not a private slot, we do encourage most people to use it if they have the same goals and are willing to read the docs so we don't mess it up for all of us. But if you just want to talk locally and you don't really care about talking beyond say Ogden or Salt Lake City or wherever you're located, right? Then it makes sense to stay on 20.

@ember torrent
I'll throw you a bone though. If you want to help fix the local 20 slot in an area. Hit me up. I'll totally help you do that

[ripe basalt]

I just tried sending a message on LF51. After bumping my hops from 6 to 7, I got acknowledged. However, I still do not see any "unknown" nodes showing up on the list. Is there a configuration option to see those? FWIW, I do have the filter for "include unknown" selected.

Just working a sanity check atm

[real cedar]

That's not a configuration issue on your side. That's a well known issue on the side of having old firmware on NPR and POTM and 38FB

[ember torrent]

We’ll see how far out of my south davis hole i can get on 20. I believe i’ll need some similarly positioned nodes as 51. Soo… let me get out of my hole.

[real cedar]

2.4.x would report as ffff if not known

[real cedar]

Well, go ahead and give it a go and post all the data here. We will more than gladly help you see if we can fix the Davis area channel 20 because that's where I live too

I got 51 solid up here

AUR and Neptunia router should router you all the way down to Marys nipple if you want

[ripe basalt]

Where do I check version info?

[real cedar]

Its not your version info that is the issue

Its the routers

But it will still route your traffic

[ripe basalt]

Ah, roger

[real cedar]

Where are you located? You don't have to give me an exact location, but I can tell you exactly which routers you should see.

[ripe basalt]

SLC

[real cedar]

Oh shiiit yeah you should see POTM AUR NPR and soon Stanbury

With 1 hop or direct

[ripe basalt]

hrm...

[ember torrent]

South south davis county, centerville. Few nodes between kaysville and north salt lake.
I need to mount my antenna on my roof before complaining about not “seeing” anyone. Be a week or two before that happens.

[ripe basalt]

@ember torrent, it might be worth taking a short discovery drive. Once it's on the roof, troubleshooting would be a bit more challenging.

[ember torrent]

I’ve been from huntsville to kearns last couple days with a lora. At home I see other nodes on the mesh-map, just cant talk to anyone, other than me myself and i.

Roof anchor and a rope, safety first. Solar node is being tested in the 4’ high plant right now.

All this applies to Lf20.

I gotta head to riverdale soon. I’ll attempt a lf51 while I’m up there. That kind of discovery drive?

It isnt like lf31 because zero is really lf20 is it?

[real cedar]

Ahh. Okay uhmm on 51 you should see AUR and neptunia

On 20 you should see the HAM in Layton and the HAM who has a router up on the ridge line near the BST

@dense basin and @maiden wraith know the most about 20. IIRC they have some nodes on it

[ember torrent]

Lf51 and I can now see y’all’s hard work.

[dense basin]

Not anymore - I got tired of that shitshow

BTW the lift was a success, the HF antenna is in the air with a node on top of the mast!

[prisma saddle]

sweet! very cool

nice radials and counter poises.

[dense basin]

Thank you! Just gotta trench the yard, lay conduit, connect LMR400 to the house and check SWR

First time using wood for a mast, wanted something relatively non reactive

Since it's essentially a doublet, the ladder line going up the mast is part of the radiating element

[prisma saddle]

cool.

[real cedar]

ROFL 😭

Yeah I get what you mean but hey I'll offer to help any of the 20ers if they want to fix their area and we can fix it area by area

[dense basin]

Yeah I am down to help as well. Where i get upset is the people that run ROUTER role and refuse to change it and get all high and mighty cause their node is on their roof and their HOA gated community sits 500 feet higher than the rest of the valley

[real cedar]

But yeah so hacker camp basically told us they thought it was so cool to see and talk to us up north from down there and a lot if them attributed it 100% to the level of coordination

[dense basin]

Got kinda tired of arguing with them. It's so nice to have a working mesh (51) and you guys have put a LOT of work in on it

[real cedar]

We had like 30 some odd nodes chatting down near Marys nipple and could still talk all the way up to me which was sick

[dense basin]

Oh hell yeah

[real cedar]

Do they argue? I wasn't aware of that haha

[dense basin]

Yup I've been in a bunch of arguments. Probably my abrasive approach but hey

Really much of the 20 problem is improper roles

[real cedar]

Ahh yeah approach has an effect haha. But thats kinda suckish if they are argumentative. I mean I got documentation. I've got empiracle data and I'd love to help but if they are hostile to it I probably will hesitate to help haha

[real cedar]

2.6.x shoves the DONT MAKE EVERYTHING A router in your face when you try to select it. Then it makes you confirm and acknowledge when your about to apply so maybe they will get it

[dense basin]

Yup I like that they did that. Some people though think their nodes are special. They don't realize that dudes climb mountains and shit to put up routers and put in some real cash and experience

Maybe the new firmware warnings will help

[real cedar]

Yeah.. Its a good move. I'm working on some docs. I'll probably make a passionate defense of "we are in this together" on it

I get it. I partially blame their terminology cuz it's so easy to make the mistake.

I also remember sitting on it and receiving nothing but tons of childish spam too which almost made me stop doing anything with meshtastic. Or that one dude who legit tried to sell cocaine

What a hoot

😂

[dense basin]

Oh man yeah channel 20 longfast then there's flirty Orem Sharon and her shenanigans

[real cedar]

ROFL

Yeah dude once I was like messaging someone to talk about router vs client and they asked if I wanted them to legit send nudes and move to short fast to do so and I'm like Nah FAM hell naw.

It mostly all made me laugh but yeah at the time I didn't know y'all here so I legit thought man maybe this lora project ain't my jam. So glad I found this place

[dense basin]

Me too. I was getting a bit tired of it until I stumbled upon this place. I thought it was basically a toy and unreliable and good for some occasional laughs, now it actually seems useful and workable and I am not woken up at 2am with flyovers and quick links to porn

[real cedar]

Yeah what's with all the porn links and that made me rather uncomfortable when teenagers under 18 were chatting in there too I was like alright cuz of my job I can't be near the miscontruction that can create haha

[dense basin]

Yup yup

[prisma saddle]

ditto.

[prisma saddle]

how’s the node signal now?

[dense basin]

Seems the same lol

It's only up 15 feet higher than before

Hey maybe it should be a router now ROFL LOL

[prisma saddle]

lol.

[dense basin]

What i wouldn't give for a nice 200 foot 3-leg tower

[prisma saddle]

lol. get to it!

[dense basin]

This one is on Alibaba for 6500

[prisma saddle]

nice. get it lol.

still ok signal. need to throw a node on bro in laws house.

except the low areas. hmm.

lake mountain. :(.

[dense basin]

Which one are you again?

[prisma saddle]

ace

ACEM for that one

[dense basin]

That might just be the ones you saw just now since a change and the coverage area grows as new nodes send position telemetry?

[prisma saddle]

i can normally see all of those. i didnt clear my db whe i was there. not there long enough for a full refresh.. but could ping potm. if i was outside. away frrom the house

[real cedar]

I think bash ninja is your closest neighbor

He's putting a house node up soon

[real cedar]

😭🤣

Having elevation issues much

You in a low point?

[vital hemlock]

I need to get my sister in laws node back up in Saratoga. She’s near that new dark spire temple they built. She should see potm I think, decent bounce for others down there.

[prisma saddle]

cool, im in herriman, but was at inlaws in lehi and bro lives out there. def bad covverage without roof nodes. @real cedar

[obsidian storm]

I'm hoping to put up a solar node on South Mountain and maybe up a little bit of yellow fork

That should fix Herriman

[prisma saddle]

i get great signal here. i hit npr and potm from my spot near 13400 and moutainview

utah county is where we lack.. tooele/stands/grants also, but those are going to be fixed soon.

[dense basin]

I need a big antenna mast my wife says I'm compensating for my ittty bitty weenis

Actually my dream would be to have a mast tall enough to put up a decent antenna for 160 meter band

[prisma saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-donkey-compensating-thinking-gif-3683673

[leaden crow]

If anyone is looking for the Molicel batteries, they are on sale here at the moment:
https://www.18650batterystore.com/products/molicel-p42a?variant=37119862571159
Honestly I'd probably hit up @fiery sparrow for free batteries first, but this still a good option.

[obsidian storm]

where do you guys buy your steel bolts? I need a slew:

20x 1/4" x 1" Stainless Steel Bolts (Solar Panel)
20x 1/4" x 1.25" Stainless Steel Bolts (Solar Brackets to Pole Bracket)
40x 1/4" Stainless Steel Lock Nuts
80x 1/4" Stainless Steel Washers
10x #10-32 x 1/2" Stainless Steel Bolt

[leaden crow]

Amazon or Aliexpress. It's usually pretty easy to find 50 or 100 packs.

[fiery sparrow]

Or if you need it now, and need to guarantee it will be there, Fastenal

[leaden crow]

I like the hex head ones, like this
https://www.amazon.com/Available-Stainless-Machine-Eastlo-Fastener/dp/B07TP4GRVT/?th=1

[obsidian storm]

I don't need fast.

Cheap >> fast.

[leaden crow]

McMaster Carr when you can't find it anywhere else, but Aliexpress hardware is cheap

[ember torrent]

Bolt and nut supply, ace hardware, home depot, and Lowes will all have those. Bolt and nut will pick em for you.
I dont recommend bolt and nut on 4130 west.
You’d save money not using stainless steel.

[obsidian storm]

I don't really need stainless steel.

Aluminum would probably be good too since it doesn't rust.

[ember torrent]

Zinc plated. Aluminum rusts and is also expensive. Cheap steal plated with something. Galvanized would work too. Just dont nick the plating.

[void iris]

I'm literally on the edge of your circle, I was thinking about putting a house node up soon also

[prisma saddle]

cool that would be awesome

[obsidian storm]

Does anyone have an IP65 or better container that they don't want? I'm thinking internal dimensions of at least 6 in by 11 in

[leaden crow]

I have a Pelican 1170 I'm not using. ID is not quite 11" though.
INTERIOR - 10.54" x 6.04" x 3.16"

Also have a Pelican 1060. It has a couple of cable glands already installed.

[obsidian storm]

Those will work! But they are rather nice

I'm just going to be installing a network switch outside by my node

[leaden crow]

I've got a larger Pelican knockoff case if you want something less-nice. I'll measure it when I get home.

[pseudo kestrel]

does anyone have a smaller weather resistant enclosure that they're willing to part with?

I'd like to stick RxBs to the side of my house instead of dangling it in a window from a usb cable

[prisma saddle]

what? whats wrong with that? lol

Could print you some.. lol

Anyone else notice potm and npr not on the map anymore.. guess position turned off?

[pseudo kestrel]

I'd worry about solar degradation of the plastic 💔

[prisma saddle]

hmm interesting. i bet they were restarting.. @pseudo kestrel remember we kept seeing them pop up? was that changes then restarts?

[prisma saddle]

ha ha ya for sure over time. ive not had that issue with my petg yet. been 3 oct/nov/dec years not 365. but 3 months for the past 3 years so far so good. but ya in time

[pseudo kestrel]

I think I still saw uptime in the tens/hundreds of days?

[pseudo kestrel]

I've only worked with PLA before, so that's where my vibes come from xD

[prisma saddle]

hmmm i dont see any of that info anymore weird.

[prisma saddle]

ya pla is horrible for anything but sticking on a shelf

PETG is all i use. i do the diy holiday lighting. printed props/etc. i dont know how much 100% sun i would withstand. know of people using it for years and years.. anyway.. so its a posiblity if you do not get something.

[prisma saddle]

weird.. my app must be broken lol

[pseudo kestrel]

I'm on app v2.6.2

[prisma saddle]

same

[pseudo kestrel]

peculiar

[prisma saddle]

i dunno. i’ll give it time.

but aur is fine.

ill wait for next node broadcast from them maybe that will do it

i never reset my db.. so dunno whats going on

[pseudo kestrel]

I just tracerouted potm to get updated info and it still shows for me

very odd

[obsidian storm]

wouldn't some quick paint help drastically with this?

[pseudo kestrel]

probably yes

[leaden crow]

I might have something.
I also have ASA. If you find something you want on printables or thingiverse, send it to me and I'll print it for you.
I particularly like this one if it will fit your stuff:
https://www.printables.com/model/221500-meshtastic-6w-solar-enclosure-base-station-lora-no
but it's kind of a system designed specifically for that panel and pole mounting.

[prisma saddle]

ah ya i have abs too. but meh. not seen much diff with it on strength and withstanding temperatures as petg. how about you?

[leaden crow]

ASA, not ABS
I bought it for printing outdoor node stuff

[prisma saddle]

yes i know the diff. they are comparable. do you see much diff between those and petg though?

over long periods of sun exposure

[leaden crow]

How would I see much difference? I don't have any stuff I've printed in PETG and left outside for a year+
The point of ASA is that it's supposed to be very UV resistant.

[prisma saddle]

sorry was not sure if you hade any prev experience with testing them.

[leaden crow]

Nah, I had a 5 year gap of not having a 3d printer. I had some old stuff printed in different filaments, but nothing I ever tested outside. I bought a new one just a few months ago. All the prints I wanted to make/mod spec ASA, so I bought a heated/enclosed printer that can print it.

[vital hemlock]

I’ve had painted petg in direct sunlight on the roof for years. Holds up very well. 👍

[obsidian storm]

Thank you AUR 😄

[prisma saddle]

cool. i’d love to hear how it goes. i’ve used abs but not asa. let me know how much it stinks. :).

[leaden crow]

Actually haven't noticed. and my wife hasn't complained, so it passed the real test. 😁

They claim "Low Odor" which I guess is accurate
https://qidi3d.com/products/qidi-asa-filament?srsltid=AfmBOopqXp27BoPd85VUzYReoSS8BiTISOjGgPD9Dydm3Ny0-GGiaTk_

[obsidian storm]

I think @real cedar was saying that Nylon was better

than asa

[leaden crow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ I would choose polycarbonate, but it's apparently difficult to print.

[leaden crow]

Do you use any specific primer or paint for plastics?

[obsidian storm]

Just the normal rattlecans you find at walmart

https://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-249846-Painters-Purpose-12-Ounce/dp/B002BWOS94

Most primers work great for plastics

if you want to get very fancy, you can go for automotive paint

[leaden crow]

I use self-etching primer on all my steel projects and it's next level compared to most regular primers for steel. I just wonder if there is anything like it for plastics.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rust-Oleum-Automotive-12-oz-White-Plastic-Primer-Spray-6-Pack-249323/204707127

[obsidian storm]

I guess i've only been painting plastics for war games, so nothing outside

so I've just gone with the cheap stuff

[prisma saddle]

war games?

[leaden crow]

Warhammer? or something else that uses minis?

[obsidian storm]

Not that specific one but yes. Those types of games

[prisma saddle]

oh ok.

[obsidian storm]

Do communications have to be on the same channel between nodes?

Or can I put the encryption key on a different channel and still receive/send it?

[prisma saddle]

like does the channel name have to match?

[obsidian storm]

Let's say I have a private channel for my family with the key BA== on one device I put it on channel 0 so that it is constantly sending telemetry. On another device I set it to channel 1. They both have the same encryption key. They're both named the same.

[prisma saddle]

if i recall that should be fine. they don’t need to be the same id. just same name and key.

if i’m wrong anyone feel free to correct.

[obsidian storm]

I ask because it's not working for me

So I'm trying to understand

[prisma saddle]

i’d be happy to test it out with ya.

[leaden crow]

This may be larger than you're looking for. If you remove the foam, the ID is approx. 8.5" x 13.25" x 6"
If you want it you can have it.

[prisma saddle]

@fiery sparrow

heh.

[fiery sparrow]

thats what happens when you're in the neighborhood

😉

[real cedar]

So, what's not likely working for you is receiving telemetry back from the channel 1 device.

Here's what I would do. Get it configured right on one device

Share it to the others via qr

Voila

Guess what's fixed and ready for goating mesh nodes straight up mountains

Fuel pump+stage 4 after the delta rock crawl this weekend haha

[real cedar]

The temporary node in delta has been a boss. No GPS and this node solar charges

[prisma saddle]

Awesome!

[obsidian storm]

Ouch. No mesh for west valley

With a 1000e on the dash of a car.

[pseudo kestrel]

I'd have expected NPR to be visible in WVC, unless you're in a denser area?

[obsidian storm]

I moved around quite a few blocks around that spot and I still couldn't pick it up. It took about a 5-minute drive away from that area before I started picking up the mesh again

Thanks @fiery sparrow for the set of 18650s!

[real cedar]

There is but your drowned out by the airport noise

[real cedar]

So I've got a fix to your problem. Rufio and I are hiking Olympus June 14th

If you can see Olympus with your eyes you'll be able to see Olympus Mons Router (planned name)

[obsidian storm]

nice.

Yeah, I was near the airport

[pseudo kestrel]

Thank you @fiery sparrow I really appreciate you!

[fiery sparrow]

You're welcome!

[prisma saddle]

hmm next project. build a mesh up hobble creek.

Would be great for the fires and stuff they have out here often.

I think I’d put either top of coral peak or Provo peak

[obsidian storm]

just don't get your node burned in a fire.

[prisma saddle]

thinking the one in the far right.

[obsidian storm]

there's a bunch of houses up that canyon too

[prisma saddle]

yup. lots. we have a cabin up here. no cell service or ground internet. but we have starlink.

get something up there. then get the rest of the cabins too. get the HOA on board.

we have not had fire here. just near cause of mapleton.

[real cedar]

@fiery sparrow did everyone get their batteries 😁

[obsidian storm]

I've started making a quick internal map so I can keep track of where the router & router_lates are:

I'm just using the Liam Cottle map and putting in manual entries, for now.

Does anyone know a better mapping software than this? I'd love to have it show the reach/heat map that each router provides.

[prisma saddle]

yup!

[obsidian storm]

The other one I was looking at was MeshView:
https://github.com/pablorevilla-meshtastic/meshview

[prisma saddle]

yea thank you! your amazing.

[obsidian storm]

I guess there's this!
https://mesh.thebadplace.org/map

[white field]

Ping me in a few days and I’ll add you to a spreadsheet I have that includes nodes without location enable

It’s also in some maps I can share creds for

[obsidian storm]

Sweet. I'll ping you on Tuesday

[prisma saddle]

going to bug you guys sometime to help me plan a mesh setup here.

hobble creek. left fork.

[real cedar]

@fiery sparrow thanks for providing everyone with the means to get their projects going

[real cedar]

Lol. Powerhouse mountain and the ridgeline above the LDS camp

[prisma saddle]

pin point me :).

this canyon is our “hoa community. “. gated. so just want to start there.

[real cedar]

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Powerhouse+Mountain,+Utah+84663/@40.1949535,-111.5195151,12z/data=!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x874dead3947c888b:0x834188d4402cce4e!2sWhittemore+Canyon,+Utah+84663!8m2!3d40.2274578!4d-111.4710199!16s%2Fg%2F1tjhy3wn!3m5!1s0x874dbe2ce5ceb6fb:0x5641b8deb4048a72!8m2!3d40.1769015!4d-111.5249127!16s%2Fg%2F1vgw92tk

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Springville,+UT+84663/@40.2276056,-111.4619922,14z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x874deac568edc74b:0xd328ac5413cdf4b2!8m2!3d40.2237609!4d-111.4625136!16s%2Fg%2F11c66s0nwj

The ridgeline above the BYU lodge

[prisma saddle]

haha and even a road up there :).

[real cedar]

Yes

Lol

[prisma saddle]

makes it semi easy sauce.

[real cedar]

I was hoping it would. LOS seems good. Some gaps. A few clients in the canyon ought to bridge those gaps

[prisma saddle]

i wonder if i want one up here too? or just that one? https://maps.google.com?q=40.2530893,-111.5094089&entry=gps&lucs=,94224825,94227247,94227248,94231188,47071704,94259573,47069508,94218641,94203019,47084304&g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy

ya.

i know i’ll have a client in my cabin on our pavilan.

[real cedar]

So I'll run more LOS when I get a chance

[prisma saddle]

i was going to send you my address. but your anti friend requests. :).

finish your camping. i’ll bug you on tuesday.

[real cedar]

😂 local hazard

[prisma saddle]

i was wondering if i could do mf or sf or so. smaller network not as big of an area.

[real cedar]

You absolutely can try

It will be less forgiving

But If it's purpose is purely local why not

[prisma saddle]

dunno. 🤷 i don’t know how all those work. what where yohgius thinking for the salt valley? short fast? with the routers there?

[real cedar]

Short Fast but an incremental roll out

If someone replaces POTM

And I get Olympus up

We can dry run short fast without NPR

And then we can figure out NPR but that's as far as I knew

[prisma saddle]

going to stick to freq 51 or move?

[real cedar]

Remain

Is there a reason we should move?

Typically moves are very difficult. The reasons have to be compelling like a far quieter spectrum or ease of availability of filters and hardware etc

[prisma saddle]

cool no, i was just going to model it the same. so i didnt have to go back and forth on freq when i come up here and if we want it hitting npr anyway.. 🙂

i dont know if any reason i just was not sure your plans

[real cedar]

Mine are to continue to refine my node designs while I wait for the snow to melt 😉

[real cedar]

@leaden crow have you had issues with rak mppt curcuits stop charging. This is the third and internally the node is fine. Everything's plugged in right but the charging stopped working is this a thing?

[vital hemlock]

Location broadcast might too low on this one 😆

[obsidian storm]

Yeah, I've been playing with mesh maps and local MQTT.

So I set it for 60s to play with MQTT key decrypt testing

I'll calm it down later today. Almost done 😄

It took me quite a while to figure out the multiple key/channel decryption.

And I realized that MeshView doesn't have that feature. I might need to add it to MeshView via pull request

[real cedar]

I'm sitting up there next to the node trying to maintain it remotely and he's sending out 60s gps packets 🤣

JK JK it had no affect on my ability to maintain the node. I got up. Put a aluminum pipe around the antenna.. Kills the broadcast to a few feet. Maintain. Leave

Haha

[real cedar]

It was a fantastic test

77 nodes

One blasting and everything is still alright. That's awesome!

[ember torrent]

😆 i was waiting for someone to grumble at bash. 1600% of the traffic!

[obsidian storm]

mostly overnight

I should have turned it off when I went to bed. Sorry 😕

I should have turned the hop count down to 1

[prisma saddle]

ha ha reminds me ill have to change mine back to those settings when i get back. lowered mine to like every 15 min for "science" while i out here.

can’t beat the view.

[ember torrent]

I’m struggling to use a fixed gps position on my nodes without a gps. Is a gps module required to send a fixed location, or do i need to wait for it to “refresh”?

[prisma saddle]

it should work. if it’s set then ya it’s pos broadcast should send it.

example.

every hour would send fixed.

[ember torrent]

Thank you. Mine Looks the same. Fwiw, there was another time interval that could effect it. It was in the documentation and i dont recall its exact name.

[prisma saddle]

hmm not sure what that would be.

[ember torrent]

No worries. I couldnt find it again. I’ll be patient.

Maybe node info broadcast interval.

[leaden crow]

I finally taught myself enough CAD to combine the prints I wanted into my ideal solar enclosure. I really like Voltaic enclosures panel and pole mount, but the enclosure is too small. His V2 uses a larger panel, doesn't allow you an easy way to mount the antenna vertical below the enclosure. Also requires 18 screws to open.
I added that flange to "Frog Box V2" on thingiverse so it will mount to Voltaic V1 panel mount system.

[obsidian storm]

I'm buying parts to convert a nebra to a mesh node with 3 other people from the local hackerspace. If anyone else wants to get in on the group-buy for parts, let me know

@vital hemlock someone mentioned you might be interested so here's a ping 🙂

We're going to use this hat that connects directly to the pi over SPI:
https://github.com/wehooper4/Meshtastic-Hardware/blob/main/NebraHat/Schematic_NebraHat_2025-05-06.pdf

[prisma saddle]

that looks cool. i like that setup.

[vital hemlock]

Yes, if you do send me a dm and I’ll Venmo you

[real cedar]

I've bought 5 others already but what buyin and volume are we talking?

[obsidian storm]

Probably setting up 5-8 nebras.

[leaden crow]

I was at tractor supply today buying garden stuff for my wife. Saw this outside and bought one.

[real cedar]

How much do I need to pay to get a few

[real cedar]

God dammit. I need to get a b200 frame

I want rear suspension

How bad did it cost these days

Those are pretty fun.
So somethings you should do. 1.. Stage 2 from go powersports on your Predator 212. Then those rear shocks are kinda crappy. Having adjust preload is nice. Something you consider. Other than that Oring chains are better than chains that need wax. Offroad gets annoying with oiled 420 chains

Oh it's a 196 even better. Those actually are pretty stout. You can upgrade them to a 212 with a different piston head and crank but it's not worth it

Stage 2 the 196cc

Stage 2 just makes the bike far more fun and reliable

Still trying to figure out what recovered cells these are

3.2 makes me think lifepo4

I've never heard of LiFC

If lifepo this is a great source for them I want a good battery chemistry for an e-MTB. Lto and lifepo4 are candidates accepting the weight trade off for the sub zero performance particularly LTO

[real cedar]

If they are lifepo4 that means they are genuine 18650 lifepo4 at ~1500 mah (tested) which suggests high quality cells since they are 7 years old and have nearly stock specs

[obsidian storm]

Let me gather the count and I'll let you know!

but we'll do it at cost.

[real cedar]

For sure. At cost is fine. Want at cost+beer? (If you drink idk if you do 😂)

[thorn marsh]

I'm also interested in one.

[ember torrent]

C6, he is also interested in a beer.

[real cedar]

What kind of beer 🤣

There are better and more compact aftermarket carbs

[leaden crow]

It was $1k. I'm kind of surprised it had rear suspension and disc brakes at that price. I was thinking I probably wouldn't upgrade it. I bought it to take camping and ride around with my 7 year old daughter. After riding around the neighborhood with her, pretty sure I'll have to figure something out, haha

[real cedar]

Like the mikuni flat side but they cost a good bit of money. Ive got one and I'm making a U-pipe so it sits in the chassis not extends out

[real cedar]

Fucking hell they have made them so expensive. But hey glad you got one. They are very useful

[leaden crow]

lol, how much did they used to cost? I thought that was pretty cheap, but never priced mini bikes.

[real cedar]

650 lol

But yeah that's probably just the cost of doing business these days

Tariffs and all..

[leaden crow]

Just checked google shopping. I guess Sportsman's Warehouse has this one for $699. Not sure what premium the rear suspension is worth.

[real cedar]

Well couple hundo for the shocks and the frame getting the structural welds for them so you might have gotten it at a steal

[real cedar]

Ahh yeah similar to mine. I have the BT200X

Yes and no. Fair warning. If you smack a slope at a rear angle.. At 20-30 mph. Kinda like how we did at the DCRC.. You will need to get used to two shock rears.

It bucks you weird but you def get used to it and it's far better than none

But your first upgrade

Rear disc brake

I did the stage 4 and I have a drum brake. Trust me you need some stones to accept the danger at that point. You def want the rear disc brake when your brakes finally go

Rufio had the same issue. Having to turn and sign and zag to slow sometimes 😂

Hell yeah

That's a big upgrade @leaden crow worth the 1000

I'm working on welding new stuff to my frame to support that

So like big win

You should come out to the DCRC one day. It's hilarious. Sand rails and mini bikes rock crawling all day. My buddy has a video of my towing a V8 powered sand rail out of a shitty situation cuz my bike has enough low end grunt for it. It's freaking hilarious. Everytime there's tension on the rope I'm popping wheelies to get it going

I named the build Anubis for a reason
Top speed is 55 mph
19.7 HP 🤣
15.6 ft lbs of Rear Wheel Torque @ torque converter engagement

If you go full throttle and you don't expect it. Your probably already on the ground and the bikes down the street lmfao

[thorn marsh]

I mean more for the Nebra, but I can always chip in beer too.

[real cedar]

Oh and @leaden crow @maiden wraith I figured out how to do nitrous. So you take an air compressor hose and fitting on the intake. You screw it into the top of a small whip cream canister that takes whip it canisters 😂 and you have a small push button ball valve release for the cylinder after loading it and on hard acceleration.. Squirt squirt.. ENGINE GO BRRRR

[prisma saddle]

my gpio order shipped!

[real cedar]

Massive problem folks. This is my 4th rak enclosure to do this in a vertical orientation. IP67 is not all that great on the wizmesh mini. I have a flooded node that came out of a tree so it never even had direct rainfall.

I'll have to rice this node again and it's battery but yeah I figured it out. These must be place solar panel facing straight up to avoid this or get daily sunlight to evaporate it

Would highly suggest dessicant packs

I think the seal is just extra shitty. Grab some of this and it should fix the issue.

https://a.co/d/d5toeXq

I've had to do it to all these 6 screw enclosures

The middle screw cracks after a month or so in the sunlight even when you finger tight them only :/

It doesn't start at the fasterner and this is consistent so it's likely a material issue

@obsidian storm gets those 90 degree sma adapters. When you mount this on your trailer you probably want the solar panel mounted straight up. Then you'll never have an issue but I'd still recommend pematex. If your towing your trailer on a highway that water jetting exceeds IP67

The 4 screw smaller enclosures have never exhibited this issue. My other guess is its all the room that bigger enclosure has. There's room for non condenscing humidity to accumulate since it's not air tight

[prisma saddle]

is there a better enclosed you’d suggest?

[real cedar]

Nah not really. If your running raks its a good size. I'd just RTV it

Its little tiny soft hands weak sauce gasket will not hold up

At all

Peak Chinese quality haha

I pulled the rubber gasket out to inspect it

Sure enough warped. Cracked.. All in a couple months

This thing sat in a willow tree on the Weber state campus

It didn't often see too much direct sunlight. It didn't get direct rainfall or anything. For all intents and purposes it was a very sheltered node

I found a decent source of solar panels last week. They went for 17.92 on amazon
https://www.acopower.com/products/hy-12m-10w

Which was under asking so I have 5 of these and I think I've decided that I'm going to integrate the node into the panel with a 3d printed thin case for it and a pole mount and vertical reinforced antenna amount at 41 degree solar panel angle

They are less than a foot by foot

Mono-Crystalline
Outdoor rated
Hail proof apparently (>9400 PA pressure resistance)

They have a blocking diode which prevent it from radiating some of your power back to space at night

I tried all the enclosures. Kinda figured out they all don't really have what I like @prisma saddle

[real cedar]

I'll release the CAD for it if people are interested I'm working on it atm based on drawings

[prisma saddle]

yup i’d love it this one we could use for above grantsville or still want the bigger solar panel?

[leaden crow]

or potting compound. just hope you never need to upgrade that firmware again.

[real cedar]

For a pi you want the big boy

Rak the small ones fine

[ember torrent]

Have you tried accepting the water and allowing it to drain out of the enclosure?

[real cedar]

Thats usually a recipe for a bad day but I guess I could try having non sealed enclosure. It's just you gotta deal with NCH (non condensing humidity)

[prisma saddle]

so the plan was the pi and a hat then right?

[real cedar]

As I recall yes cuz you expressed interest in making it one watt since it saw so much. RAK4361 is always a candidate too

Way easier to design. Less stuff to haul up

[prisma saddle]

your call i can do what ever. just want it to work well. :). @real cedar all new to me so i don’t know what works best for router etc.

nice to start seeing nodes again. was pretty lonely by my self with my 3 i brought to the cabin.

no place like home.

[real cedar]

Well we can give the pi and 1 watt node a go. You have a 1 watt node from @leaden crow right?

[prisma saddle]

i don’t have anything. the pi and sd cards.

don’t think the 1 watt were in stock.

maybe ? dunno.

[real cedar]

Did you get into the pool for the PCBs that bash is running for the nebras?

If not we can do a rak

[prisma saddle]

oh no is that what what is? didn’t know. i can if so.

[real cedar]

Go ahead and DM him. See if there's room to squeeze in. Worst case I'll see if I can donate you one

We don't need many 1 watt nodes

Tbch I think we could get away with deseret being a RAK but 1 watt would be epic due to its sheer coverage

A rak + 8.5 dB antenna and a filter is still an unbelievably great combo

[prisma saddle]

hey i’d like to get on those nebra also.

ya let’s aim for 1w.

[real cedar]

Haha there we go

So let's get the other things while we wait on that

Its deseret so we are gonna need to hide it

[prisma saddle]

you send me a list. i’ve got the solar in my cart on amazon. just need to know anything else.

[real cedar]

https://a.co/d/g5tIkpi

So there's a solid antenna for this node

I wanted 8.5 but 40 inches is hard to hide

[prisma saddle]

oh good that’s all i use.

or have so far lol.

[real cedar]

https://gpio.com/products/915-mhz-ism-band-pass-bandpass-filter-with-26-mhz-bandwidth

There's the filter

You'll need some adapters for sma to N..

[prisma saddle]

ok i have those filters coming already i think.

[real cedar]

Try to look for One-Link, amphenol or mini circuits

For connectors

[prisma saddle]

yup 3 of them on their way as of this morning.

[real cedar]

After that it's about you figuring out the geometry. I figure you'll want 4 21700s or 8 18650s to power an RPI with enough time to service it if something goes wrong

You'll need a solar panel, an MPPT charge controller and something to boost convert the pack from 3 V to 5V4A

I leave that sorta up to you to find since you have time but if you want input @ me

Yeah after that. Plug pi in. Plug hat in. Power on.. Test if solar charges it

Honestly hang on these too

https://a.co/d/6plPGvl

So this is stupidly useful if you want an ADC that allows you to monitor the health of the entire charging chain

Stupid easy to setup on a pi

Have it log that to the system log and have it sent over meshtastic if you can

We can work on that when all the hardware is there but this will give you regular battery stats and it should be addressable by meshtasticD

[prisma saddle]

ok cool !

[real cedar]

If you want weather on the pi

[prisma saddle]

screen shotted all that. :).

[real cedar]

Go look for a BME6xx sensor for it

Any stock reference design will do. And you can read that off of i2c

But you need to pay attention to the addresses of all your i2c devices. Make sure none share one

[obsidian storm]

I'll get you it!

I'm building the parts list and the group buy tomorrow morning

[obsidian storm]

You recommend this filter over the filter in Wehooper4's board?

[leaden crow]

The problem with the GPIO labs is this: 24dBm Max Power
The E22 modules are 30dBm, they will toast it.

[real cedar]

You need to show me the other board

Also the filter has a problem

Its not good for 1 watt

You need at minimum an acasom

https://acasom.com/products/915mhz-5-types-cavity-filter-for-helium-network-filter-waterproof-lora-indoor-use-high-out-band-rejection?variant=46125490307364

1 watts difficult to filter as usual. Need to mount the outdoor rated to the back and wire it in and the antenna on top

Its kinda CHONKY

[obsidian storm]

https://github.com/wehooper4/Meshtastic-Hardware/tree/main/NebraHat

He's got this filter on the board:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/taoglas-limited/DBP-915-V-A-30/9972852

But I can modify the board to be whatever we want

Here's the specs for the ceramic filter

[real cedar]

Lmfao

That's the exact one I've been recommending

Spun on a board

SICK

go for it

Its cheap but taoglass made a nice package

[obsidian storm]

Can anyone explain to me why this is $45 from the voltaic guy?
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1609406536/mppt-solar-battery-charger-for-iot?ref=share_v4_lx

[leaden crow]

He's probably just trying to make money off his work. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I don't think anyone else is making something that can do all the stuff this can, so he has the market cornered rn?

Honestly I think it's weird he did that stacked board design. Why not 1 PCB? I think we will see more options as NA+ batteries become more common.

[obsidian storm]

I'm just surprised at how expensive it is

I was looking at The MPPT and this one came up

Is there a recommended solar MPPT I should buy? Just for normal 18650 batteries

[prisma saddle]

same id like to know too. as well as for 21700 batts.

[prisma saddle]

dumb question, would you use the 3.6 or the 4.2 version? im still new on these.. @maiden wraith

[leaden crow]

I have used these in a couple of builds, they've worked fine. Probably the same IC as the ones BW linked.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805773670987.html
I bought a 10 pack. You can have a couple if you want to test them out before ordering more. I can bring them on Thurs.

[real cedar]

This is what I don't like about Etsy and all these upstart things to help people fund their designs. Unrealistic prices. And yes, don't get me wrong. It's cool that you can do multiple battery chemistries and it's cool we can support an average Joe. But if you're going to offer this to me for $45, which I can basically make for $15, I'd like a few more features, such as balance monitoring and being able to do health monitoring and maybe being able to do multi s multiple P balancing. Its not too hard to add on. Knowing your market and price point is pretty big if you want to sell.

It could be as simple as he got hit by tariffs too.

[real cedar]

They are good for lion and lipo but yeah we LTO users gotta pay premiums