Dualie Squelcher Build Pitch

[sinful egret]

I have around 4 pitches for dualie squelchers i'm carrying over here just for a more focused discussion

Upon experimentation though i'm thinking having 10 ap of special charge could have some potential

Because you generally find yourself using it often and the fact it fully refills your tank i think being able to spam it more would generally mean you'd have alot more ink to work with

what are your thoughts

would 10 ap of ink recovery up also be something to consider or is that not enough

[drowsy verge]

would likely be more useful than any of those options. If ya want with the current setup, drop a sub each & for 2s of it.

[sinful egret]

I'm afraid i'll have to pass on that offer

I really need 2 subs of ink res and IA

so how does this look

Is the stealth jump droppable?

Probably not but thought i'd ask

or wait actually an inverse of this

[slow bough]

this is actually very similar to a build i made recently lol
you could try this, and you can drop the sub of if you'd like

[sinful egret]

This’ll have to be somethin to consider

But the value subs be valuable

[slow bough]

before s3 launched i did consider running but its not as good as it was in s2

it has a niche in having an easier time vs sloshing machine tho

you could always consider running it, since machine is so common right now

[sinful egret]

Even though it doesn’t actually defend against specials anymore the extra bomb protection is nice

Much in the same way ink res won’t assassinate me hard if i just so happen to step in something

[slow bough]

yeah the invulnerability for a sliver of a second is great. its why i like to run 1 sub of it as well

you dont have to follow the exact build, but its to give an idea

[lone rose]

@slow bough @sinful egret I'm really puzzled as to why some of you guys recommend Last Ditch Effort. Isn't that a waste of ability slots since it doesn't do anything most of the match?

[sinful egret]

It’s good in ranked at the very least

Since it activates by numbers AND the time limit

But even still it synergizes nicely with the squelchers

Which benefit massively from it

[lone rose]

Well yeah... for the last 30 seconds of the match. That is if you're even alive for that full 30 seconds

[sinful egret]

I dunno people more qualified than me could tell you why it’s good

[coral pivot]

"Not active most of the match" only applies in turf war, and turf war isn't a real competitive mode so it doesn't matter there anyways

In ranked, LDE starts whenever enemy points reach 50, and gets stronger until it maxes out at 30. It lasts the majority game if u stall long enough and don't forget about overtime

[lone rose]

Oh! Then it's a lot better than I thought it was

[coral pivot]

What I don't understand is intensify action on dual squelchers

This weapon is one of the few that DONT have jump RNG due to a specific tech

The only benefit is marginally easier squid rolls, which in both ways is just a skill issue

[slow bough]

it works much better in ranked than turf war

a lot of the time a team's counter will be at 50 or less, and the game will last for a few minutes after that, so for like 1/3 of the match or longer u get the effects, with them growing stronger as the enemy teams counter ticks

[sinful egret]

You don’t jump often with squelchers but having 50% more air accuracy would be great

It still has jump rng i think

That’s what the sendou site implies anyway

[coral pivot]

Dash then jump and it has no rng

[sinful egret]

Dodge roll you mean?

[coral pivot]

Same shit

[sinful egret]

I didn’t know that was a tech that existed

[coral pivot]

That's the reason why I'm confused why everybody was running it

[sinful egret]

Well is it practical tech?

[coral pivot]

It's practical if you practice it

[sinful egret]

Ah well then that’s 2 more free sub slots

Is it a strict timing or not

Like when doing the jump after the roll

[coral pivot]

Not really

U just need to do stationary jump I think

That may be the only restriction

[sinful egret]

No you can still move from what it looks like

And yes it is 100% practical actually

This is sweet

So since 2 more sub slots are on the table what would you suggest

[coral pivot]

More Ink saver, swim speed never hurts

Could even just keep one sub of intensify

Cuz vanilla jumps still benefit if you ever need them

But I wouldn't go past 1 sub

[sinful egret]

If i ain’t goin through the full 50% i say it’s not a good enough investment

I’ll get more savers

[coral pivot]

Oh wait

Special power up is nice for waves

It increases the radius

That's a good option too

Waves and cooler are like the only good special power up options

[sinful egret]

Is 6 ap of it even enough though

[coral pivot]

Idk

[sinful egret]

Or i could have 10 ap of it and shove the rest with savers

[coral pivot]

But I know it's pretty good

[sinful egret]

More research is in order

Okay so 10 AP of special power up raises the radius to 22

As opposed to 29

Err

20

I don’t know how substantial that is in practice

Trying it out right now and it doesn’t really seem worthwhile

I rather put special charge up tbh

More spam power is theoretically better in the long run

That’s kind of a strength of the original echolocator which is this thing but more balanced

More spam power means more chances to instantly refuel your ink while also putting some security on the map for a couple of seconds

So heres my new pitch

[coral pivot]

pay attention in math class squids

[sinful egret]

Sorry i don’t know complicated math equations for a squid game

Even still that diameter isn’t enough to sell me with the limited slots i got

And i think special charge has more theoretical potential because the cost is cut by roughly 10-20%

And special saver saver lowers the amount you lose upon death by 10%

[coral pivot]

14 year olds learn this equation btw

its not bad for 1 main

[sinful egret]

It’s not bad but i’m still leaning on spammability

[coral pivot]

yeah but remember that your spam is limited by a timer

you need to wait for the 3 waves to finish before you can even begin building the next

compared to missile which you can build right after shooting them

so thats a bunch of downtime where special charge cannot activate at all

imo, swimspeed or more savers are better

[sinful egret]

Well it takes about 10 seconds or so for the breaker to end

[coral pivot]

10 seconds is a long time

[sinful egret]

I’m running estimates in my head and i wager you could get an average of 4 uses of wave in a single turf war

Maybe more depending

[coral pivot]

imo its not worth it

spammy specials are ones that i would press the instant they charge up because they affect the entire map

which is killer wail and missiles

cuz it doesnt matter if the entire enemy team is dead, they can still hit them at their spawn

with waves, u need to make sure the enemy is somewhat near an objective to get value

[sinful egret]

Alrighty then how bout this then

This raised the radius to about 24

[coral pivot]

i think its good but its up to you if u like the bigger circle

its quite a large circle

[sinful egret]

Seems like it’ll work for me if i can get away with 2 subs of ink saver main

That is a nice circle

2 subs of ISM will net me 10 more shots so that seems fine enough to me

We have made excellent developments in the strategy

[sinful egret]

As one more final question, are there anymore objections with this kit

[pine gulch]

Was wondering if someone had already been in the lab with the dulies yet

Nice thank you for the work you guys put in!

[sinful egret]

Alright i’m runnin tests in my head and i still don’t think that special power up is necessarily the best investment i’ll stick to ink saver main on this one

I use the wave breaker 3-4 times a match and the radius it already covers can cover most important ground

And it being bigger doesn’t necessarily increase the chances of it actually hitting it’s target

It increases it’s range of general impact but it’s also not really enough to make me not choose the abilities that let me shoot more

So i still say this is the most optimal set

Either that or the 6 ap of IA just in case you need to jump in a pinch

Actually yeah nvm

IA is consistent and good

So this seems like the best way to minmax the core of the design

I’m not sure if sub saver can be thrown here but regardless i actually have the main saver and the 2 subs of IA and ISM and i’ve been getting incredibly consistent and good results

So i think with value subs once the fest is over, this is very strong

And i don’t even have last ditch effort on my kit rn so i can’t see this being anymore minmaxed

But i’m always up for discussion

I do have enough chunks to actually add in the rest of the value subs and silent jump so i am going to do that

Play some rounds

And come back with documented results

The only thing you can’t really do is throw splat bombs willy nilly but i don’t think you’re supposed to anyway

I think the only potentially droppable one is Stealth Jump but it’s hard to pass that up

Another ISM would let you fire 14 more shots

Which is fairly good

But with the 16AP of ISM you can fire 105 as it is

Which let you fire for 10 whole seconds

[sinful egret]

So far the only problems i've really encountered with this kit is either bad aim (Which i fix by getting better) aswell as ink management and bomb management

Otherwise i'd say this is basically perfect

[pine gulch]

What would be a good option to replace last stand main?

Because I was thinking of making 2 head gears with the same subs but just one for turf and one for ranked

[sinful egret]

Well i dunno i guess you could throw another ink saver on there

But last stand works just fine

[pine gulch]

Thank you was thinking ink saver but wanted to make sure because builds aren’t my forte

I’d like to learn more about how to make a good build for weapons though

[sinful egret]

You’re not really gonna lose anything by having last stand

[pine gulch]

My logic for wanting ism was that you only get stand for the last 30 seconds if I remember correctly

And you are going to be painting a lot more then in ranked

[proven linden]

i grabbed this from someone else, any idea of if it’s worth running over anything here? or should i look at swapping to one of the builds in this thread

[sinful egret]

That one would actually work too

Swim speed doesn’t hurt

[sinful egret]

I just have found that i’ve become comfortable with this one here

[sour turtle]

do you notice the extra intensify action? i might do similar but with swim speed

[sinful egret]

It’s not really noticable but it’s easier to jump knowing most of my shots won’t just miss