ok now your defender bugged again
#Screeps Sandbox
kind trench
kind trench
ok started moving
sullen condor
I''ll be at home in 15 minutes
kind trench
i think it might be related to when you spawn a defender
when new one popped out, they started to move i think
sullen condor
Oh
kind trench
yup, looks like it's that
sullen condor
Wonder why that room don't be funneled
I think I found the bug for spawning
Now time to debug funnel
Hmm... It will be better to send energy that room in this situation? That can make my bot completely drained(if this situation was real)
Past me coded like, "help other rooms if you have enough"
And 100k is not enough for rcl7
sullen condor
Is your quad movement auto? Or flagged
Now defender is working even when it's spawning something
kind trench
ye, so only if it's near hostile i guess
sullen condor
I got it
My bot just let miners and haulers to keep mining/hauling things, just do not spawn new ones if they die
sullen condor
that's how it looks from my side
Where is blue path??
Ah path of texts
Who's your anchor?
Bottom left?
kind trench
top-right
sullen condor
Will your bot prefer blue over purple?
kind trench
yes
sullen condor
How?
sullen condor
kind trench
now a bit less optimal
sullen condor
Two path has same costs
kind trench
ye, but more ramparts to go through
sullen condor
OK. I just wonder if there is some nice way to consider that
I wrote code to consider that which uses 30.0 + CPU for one pathFinding
😅
So I gave up
Looks like my room drained again
kind trench
i mean i dont know why it would do the bottom-right to make a V
sullen condor
Hmm It was just theoratical example
sullen condor
now a bit less optimal
In this picture, it would be better to go left straight until it reaches cost 1
kind trench
not much
anchor is top-right, so no additional ramparts need to be destroye
so just the diagonal would need to be improved, but since it repaths every tick it'll self-fix after breaching
sullen condor
I experienced some edge cases like this
Blue square is ramparts, red square is quad. Sry for bad drawing
Which cannot be fixed after destroying left-bottom 2 ramparts
kind trench
hm
btw not sure what happened in E9N6 because in theory my bot should not go anywhere beyond flag
and i see some stuff got destroyed inside
yup, not my creeps did that i think
also, labs are doing boost in it
sullen condor
Your creeps did not destory ramparts?
sullen condor
Yeah. Not sure how I wrote code for that situation
Maybe... "I am screwed. Whatever!"?
kind trench
like "wreck own structuresby own creeps" thing ?
sullen condor
Is it attacking its own structures?
kind trench
no defenders so idk
sullen condor
hmm yeah
honestly didn't think nor write any code for after break
except for activating safemode
Building ramparts again would be helpful I guess
kind trench
i still have quad parked there
also room rebuild logic is not best
E11N4 still struggling after wipe 12h ago
not sending rebuilders/helpers from other room ?
sullen condor
Yeah I saw that and fixed it. Since there was link around source, that bot thought it doesn't need hauler😅
It should be rebuilding rn
kind trench
what's happening in E13N5 with combat creeps ?
sullen condor
Wdym?
Hmm. Err code tells me that my Memory has circular structure
Hmm weird. Can't understand what happened.
kind trench
rcl7 bit early for tackling t5 stronghold, and dunno where else this combat creeps would go
sullen condor
Maybe just for invaders in SK rooms?
kind trench
just hanging around in own room then :p
sullen condor
I guess they completed their job and there's nothing left to do
kind trench
nope, SK defenders are there :p
also quite some things seems to be bricked (some miners in rcl6 rooms not mining despite source having energy etc)
sullen condor
nope, SK defenders are there :p
Not defenders but invaders. #world-help message this broke my memory lol
kind trench
btw can you not upgrade controller in E9N6 ?
testing against rcl6 is cheaper than against rcl7 :p
sullen condor
testing against rcl6 is cheaper than against rcl7 :p
Maybe I can turn on the test mode against you?
No tower shot & spawn small defenders
sullen condor
Hmm I see. I'll try to block that when I get up
kind trench
how do you decide which rampart to repair ?
blue-highlighted is lowest one
sullen condor
how do you decide which rampart to repair ?
blue-highlighted is lowest one
Pick the lowest one and don't change too often is what I intended
kind trench
1st repairer went to the one on screenshot, 2nd directly to blue one
my quad was attacking the 1st one few ticks earlier though
sullen condor
my quad was attacking the 1st one few ticks earlier though
Maybe that's the cause
kind trench
ok should be 3 quads soon coming to E9N6
kind trench
oh god, wtf
[17:49:20]
Siege for E9N2 active
[17:49:20]
E8N4-8581 spawning [4/4] creep {"tough":0,"heal":1,"move":10,"ranged":39,"boosts":["XLHO2","XZHO2","XKHO2"],"attack":0,"work":0}
@sullen condor~~ something strange happening in E9N6~~ nvm that are not defenders but Name: a_-y9ck53
could reuse them though
sullen condor
could reuse them though
Hmm it should use attackers as defenders. Can't understand why it didn't
sullen condor
You completely block them?
kind trench
Yes, to big risk (for my code at the moment at least) to bump into active defender
Also escaping from such area is tricky, since it causes quad to traverse room edge thus opening it to towers due to half-heal every-other tick
sullen condor
That's true. My quads die a lot there. If that room gets rcl6 and mine some minerals, I'll be able to make some boosts. Are my defenders boosted?
kind trench
They were in other rooms i attacked few days ago
kind trench
i think you overcommit on repairers
for quad {"tough":0,"heal":7,"move":3,"ranged":5,"boosts":["XLHO2","XZHO2","XKHO2"],"attack":0,"work":0} you pop-out 9 8W17C13M repairers
that's 7.2k repair/tick
kind trench
and your defenders have bit problem of priority / multi targets
oki they split, after quite-some ticks, just to come back again to focus on 1 quad
pallid totem
It's been a while since I've seen this server, how's your bot doing @sullen condor
sullen condor
It's been a while since I've seen this server, how's your bot doing <@3321266396...
It's growing on it's own. Iirc it got 4 rooms
sullen condor
I think my bot will be able to spawn boosted quad in few days
I'm on the travel now for 2 weeks
sullen condor
i think you overcommit on repairers
Oh. Should look into that. Thanks!
sullen condor
oki they split, after quite-some ticks, just to come back again to focus on 1 qu...
So did they work well, eventually?
kind trench
hard to say, because my step-off logic broke somewhere along changes so 2-quad situation was not that long to validate it
i think when there are 2 defenders 1 will bounce between quads before 3rd one is spawned
cerulean wadi
cries in not even having working duo code at the moment
kind trench
quads work even good, but half the time they got stuck in my own room when trying to form a snake 🙈
bitter lava
_cries in not even having working duo code at the moment_
they are easy
scarlet fossil
@sullen condor tf are you doing there 🤣
sullen condor
Raising a new room 🙂
sullen condor
tbh, I couldn't expect my bot would claim that room
scarlet fossil
sullen condor
I thought you talking about this
scarlet fossil
Oh yeah, I've just seen it
scarlet fossil
Was like "what in the… is that remote" and it's not actually a remote
sullen condor
We were... good, you know
scarlet fossil
I feel stepped on
sullen condor
I feel like I should work on my bot's room selection logic
scarlet fossil
And baffled that it's still throwing silly creeps at it, and not even tried to claim it back
sullen condor
It's really really bad
scarlet fossil
A bit aggressive, I'd say 🤣
sullen condor
Tbh, I manually picked every room in season 7
And picking rooms myself at mmo too
Just didn't care much about sandbox... and look what my stupid bot did
scarlet fossil
That tower placement tho
I should get Grafana going on that one, just so I can see if that has any effect on the global health…
Doesn't look like it really made a dent in energy stores, but I'm not exactly tracking the numbers
I realize I don't even have a working counter-siege directive for that :/
polar path
I feel stepped on
uwu?
sullen condor
LOL
scarlet fossil
Still, I broke the quad code so much I spawned like… 30 fully boosted quad, but couldn't assemble them. Now I'm just waving around the biggest blob of boosted stuff like a monkey to make them actually work
sullen condor
Wonder how my bot would react to them - I have no idea
scarlet fossil
I don't think it really had a chance to do much
That's like 24 creeps stampeding in the room at once
sullen condor
It will be better to give up but I'm not sure they will
scarlet fossil
I found bugs in the controller attack code, so I didn't follow really closely the 🔥
I lost 2 fully boosted zerglings and 2 healers to a source keeper 
scarlet fossil
It will be better to give up but I'm not sure they will
It didn't 😅
Oddly, it's ignoring all that tasty energy, too
Not focusing on the spawn as well
sullen condor
Yeah, my bootstrap code is... meh
scarlet fossil
Not that my attack code is doing any better
I have no idea why it decided that this miner, all the way on the other side, was the first creep that shall die
Hello? There's a blinky to take out, boys
@kind trench Poor reserver 🥲
Now it's stacking units in the highway, waiting for its time. I like that, that's scary~
scarlet fossil
🤔
scarlet fossil
They attacked!
Took them sooo long
Sooo bad at combat
I keep noticing small mistakes. Creep low on hitpoint, heals, but doesn't step out onto an exit tile nearby, dies on it next tick
Creep tries to kite north. Into a wall, three ticks in a row. Gets blasted, and dies
sullen condor
I want to revisit my claim logic
It's hard to test something in sandbox since it doesn't have history though
scarlet fossil
I could try reenabling the mod, but I'm afraid it might break again
sullen condor
Cause is unknown?
scarlet fossil
I think, since it's collecting about 200-300 ticks worth of room events, then dumping them to storage every 100 ticks, that causes the server heap usage to balloon up until the GC freaks out and dies
That's my theory at the moment, I haven't exactly looked any closer, but given disabling it made the crash go away, and there's more and more rooms active across the map, that's what brought it to its knees
It fled for some reason 🤔
I think it's the boosted pair I sent?
@sullen condor What does 🎧 mean?
sullen condor
Yea right
That means they lost their job and chilling
It will give up the room in 6k tick I guess
Hmm. I guess I should put more fail check
scarlet fossil
Got it
sullen condor
I made a change so my bot will think it failed if a room is unclaimed
bitter lava
for this one event you need a specialised creep just to take that energy
kind trench
<@439106292666073088> Poor reserver 🥲
where is this
scarlet fossil
where is this
W1N5
kind trench
hum i love pathing creativity
sullen condor
Maybe your quad wanted to clear my remotes before siege
scarlet fossil
Opinions on providing infinite-CPU-as-a-Service to people who wanna run the profiler on their big empire? The plan would be that if someone asks, I give them like 10000 CPU, they can run with the profiler active for a few 10/100/1000s ticks, then I set them back to the default value and the get to have pretty flamegraph of what their bot is doing.
(mostly because I'm at 8 colonies, 218 creeps, and I consistently eat 100 CPU)
But I'm thinking it'd be really useful for sandbox purposes, too
polar path
I think that idea fits well with being a sandbox server for testing stuff.
scarlet fossil
I think it does. That's how I generally look at stuff. My main worry is that I'm not sure how the server reacts to a 10000 CPU player when there's more than one around (also, the server itself).
kind trench
Opinions on providing infinite-CPU-as-a-Service to people who wanna run the prof...
not sure that's of any benefit honestly :c
the fixed 100cpu serves as a limit for how big a player can grow
players can still do the 500 cpu burst for debugging/running their planner/running really cpu-hungry code
so imo temporarily enhancing bucket to idk 100k would be better
scarlet fossil
Hmm… Not sure I can change the bucket size like that tho. Especially not accurately. I suspect it's a constant somewhere, and updating it would just change everyone's
kind trench
because just allowing for Xcpu more will make ppl to just "do-more" without improving their code to account for CPU limits
and most ppl cpu-bound already knows what their bot is burning cpu-wise :p
and giving them more cpu wont change much
scarlet fossil
Well the idea is to give me a time: "I want to profile for… say 30 minutes". It's definitely supposed to be temporary, for debugging purposes
scarlet fossil
Because the profiler itself is a lot of overhead (At least the screeps-profiler one)
kind trench
not on my machine in my bot
polar path
Depends how extensive the profiler is.
scarlet fossil
I'll let that simmer a bit, see what people think then
It's likely the server is gonna go through a bunch of pauses/reboots. I'm gonna re-enable the history mod and try to make it not crash
Eeep. A 6Gb SQLite database
kind trench
ye, i'm aware that ppl have the "big" one that counts all functions calls and their timings
scarlet fossil
@bitter lava You're crash-looping, for some reason
scarlet fossil
I'm re-enabling history
kind trench
ah ok, because i'm getting anxious when i push code and server stops doing stuff in similar timeframe
kind trench
works on my steamless-client though
scarlet fossil
[historyWorker] Saved 735 rooms
Lowered it to 20 per chunk, and it sneaked through
[backend] invalid room
Filed under "Weird stuff the server whispers to you"
Seems to be going though
scarlet fossil
Just added batteries to the market 'cause I forgot to set a price on those
scarlet fossil
@slender compass Why the face claim?
You really want me to look at OM's combat code, is that it? 😅
slender compass
uhh, it seems my auto expansion is underweighting being close to other claims, gotta take a look at that, my bad!
scarlet fossil
uhh, it seems my auto expansion is underweighting being close to other claims, g...
It's okay, it's a sandbox after all~
slender compass
oh wow, i just saw the room
how did it ever think that was a good idea
scarlet fossil
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I mean… I had absolutely 0 reaction to that
Which is like… something, I guess
…not even sure why that's a changeling there :/
sullen condor
My bot did the same thing to gadjung
scarlet fossil
sullen condor
scarlet fossil
There's a funny extension (top source) fight where you keep trying to build, but I have haulers side-stepping your miner, so they always stomp it. Placed at http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W5N2?t=7510334, and I believe to this day it's still trying to build it
sullen condor
Bit over-reacted
sullen condor
There's a funny extension (top source) fight where you keep trying to build, but...
lol what a peaceful co-existence
slender compass
There's a funny extension (top source) fight where you keep trying to build, but...
thats pretty funny, i wonder if i should first place a rampart on it
scarlet fossil
yeah, I'm searching for the safemore reason
Pretty sure an invader crops up
And then that's taken as an aggression
scarlet fossil
scarlet fossil
It's very good to have history in sandbox
Mhm. I'll have to check how the database is though
slender compass
There's a funny extension (top source) fight where you keep trying to build, but...
oh no, its even worse, it does manage to build it once but then an angry drone destroys it and then it immediately starts rebuilding again, hahahaha
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W5N2?t=7550267
scarlet fossil
Oh, history bug. http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W5N2?t=7521854 there's two construction sites, one with an ID, one without
scarlet fossil
oh no, its even worse, it does manage to build it once but then an angry drone d...
Okay, that is weird. I'm not even sure why it would do that
Possibly interpreted as a blocked source, and decided to take it out, but IIRC it's just doing a path back to the colony and dismantling anything that's in the way, and that's isn't really in the way
Love how the energy pile keeps growing lol. 4.2K
slender compass
and my bot doesn't know how to pick it up either..
im really surprised at how peaceful it has been
scarlet fossil
yeah, it's like 7551974 - 7507326 => 44648 ticks of haulers just chugging along in the middle of an "hostile" room
Not sure why it's still sending in drones though. They can't harvest, that should have triggered suspension of both of them
slender compass
the whole extension thing caused a tower to never be built at RCL 3
and that probably makes this a pretty safe room to travel through
scarlet fossil
scarlet fossil
the whole extension thing caused a tower to never be built at RCL 3
and that pro...
Ahah, that's the weirdest defense tactic ever~
Zergling pops up in room, no idea why: http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W5N2?t=7550943
Fucking heals a damaged hauler: http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W5N2?t=7550960
Safemode goes down
So I'm guessing invaders popped up in the next room over
That's like… crazy
A safemode because of a heal 🤣
Maybe not, actually. I have a damaged drone that just wandered really close to the controller
sullen condor
But timing is weird.
Maybe drone(which can dismantle your spawn) get in range 3 to his spawn?
slender compass
Maybe drone(which can dismantle your spawn) get in range 3 to his spawn?
this is probably the cause
sullen condor
Yeah. But that's fair enough safemode pop up situation
No defender, no tower, dismantler close to spawn
scarlet fossil
Extension finally comes up: http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W5N2?t=7551337
On top of my creep 🤣
slender compass
that is a very unique sight
this whole room/scenario is a mess
scarlet fossil
That was a fun watch indeed
scarlet fossil
looks like it?
Not sure if it's a bug on my end or a creep is actually stuck when that happens…
slender compass
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W5N2?t=7551846
oh, seems like it steps off around here
it just doesn't know what to do
slender compass
i doubt it, my tower code is very dumb and there is no active defence
a single boosted blinky could probably take it back
i feel like there hasn't been a single time lately where i look at my bot and i do not find more bugs to fix...
scarlet fossil
Yeah, that's a pretty common occurrence here as well. I just try and take notes when I notice something really silly
Now I now I'm missing some detection check for that sort of thing happening
Like, a peaceful takeover
scarlet fossil
Tower up. I'm lucky it didn't start blasting at my useless drones
slender compass
it might once safe mode runs out, i forgot what condition i gave it to attack non-combat creeps
scarlet fossil
Oh, true, forgot about the safemode
Taught it to drop mines when the outpost is gone
Though I'm not sure how I feel about that cut-out room now…
An interesting conundrum 😅
slender compass
indeed
cerulean wadi
All these steamless links, I really need to figure out why I can't get my container to run
kind trench
dont need container for steamless
just clone repo and do node .\dist\clientApp.js (after npm install and whatever the build command is ofc)
scarlet fossil
or npx screepers-steamless-client
cerulean wadi
Ya but docker just makes it so much cleaner 🫠
scarlet fossil
dunno, that feels like a lot of things unnecessarily involved 😅
scarlet fossil
Okay, taught it to drop remotes if for some reason they end up disconnected
cerulean wadi
welp finally mining power again on sandbox.. didn't realize I had completely removed storing power bank info in my intel cache refactor
scarlet fossil
Cleans the room, then proceeds to wedge itself into the room edge: http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/jaysee/W5N2?t=7571676
I think it's trying to path to the creeps bottom left, but that takes it out of the room and it's not supposed to do that
No clue why an infestor popped up and started attacking the controller: http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/jaysee/W5N2?t=7573129
Invader gnawing at the healer 🤣 http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/jaysee/W5N2?t=7574071
Just takes it
lol, it only died because the next generation came through, and that one then freaked out on the edge
At that point I'm back, so the pair is retired and I plant down a clearRoom that kicks in at http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/jaysee/W5N2?t=7574716
And then fails to unclaim, so a colonize gets dropped
Manually cancelled that, then fixed a bug I just created when I added code to enforce there's no non-mine room blocking outpost reachability (that room to the right was dropped because of that)
slender compass
did not expect it to survive this long in the first place, so losing the room was very much expected
i do question why it decided to unclaim at this moment, it should have done so once all spawns are gone...
feels totally random to me why it decided to to do it here, very weird
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/jaysee/W5N2?t=7574024
scarlet fossil
did not expect it to survive this long in the first place, so losing the room wa...
Heh, I didn't even notice that
That is a bit odd, but tbh, I had my fair share of odd things to look at from that little kerfuffle
slender compass
Was definitely great for some bug hunting, alot of things broke or where just behaving weirdly
I should totally tell it to face claim again and find more bugs 🙃
slender compass
i absolutely need to take a look at the unclaim code... why did it unclaim D:
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/jaysee/W6S19?t=7586488
so it both unclaims too late and now it unclaims a perfectly fine room ._.
i should maybe keep some logs as to why it does what it does...
scarlet fossil
@bitter lava Not sure what's going on with the colony spam around http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/room/jaysee/W9N8
bitter lava
<@1189162382157680642> Not sure what's going on with the colony spam around http...
oh all the dead rooms are abandoned ones
likely cause is it cannot get enough energy
scarlet fossil
okay then ^^
slender compass
Taught it to drop mines when the outpost is gone
well, im now having the exact same issue on MMO and its breaking the entire room!
since now all source paths go through a hostile room, therefore no sources can be mined..
i should have learned from your bugs and not make the same mistakes!
time to go fix it aswell...
scarlet fossil
Hmm, that is an odd case of karma…
scarlet fossil
well, im now having the exact same issue on MMO and its breaking the entire room...
I did a bunch of Game.map.findRoute calls to handle it
Like, every time it "rebuilds" (happens every 20 ticks, IIRC, or on request), it'll compare the list of outposts a colony has with the list it had (from memory). If there are any that are "lost", it'll run that structure check, pathing from the main room over to all outposts, with a findRoute callback that fails if the room it's pathing in is blocked, or if it's straying too far from an outpost. And outpost managers themselves will deactivate and clean up if they're in a room that doesn't appear in their colony's outpost list (now updated)
slender compass
i fixed it now by adjusting the distance map calculating to assume hostile remotes/claims are fully walled off
now it just wants to walk across the edge, but thats totally fineee, i needed to fix edges anyway
slender compass
Like, every time it "rebuilds" (happens every 20 ticks, IIRC, or on request), it...
thats a pretty interesting way to do it!
for my implementation any time a room nearby changes its status it does a full recalculation of all remote paths
paths are deterministic so recalculating and ignoring existing paths should hopefully not be too much of an issue but time will tell on that one
scarlet fossil
Ah, yeah, if you have hard-cached paths that would be a bit different. I do soft-caching, the nuance being that it's never explicit; any pathing request gets cached, and reused if someone else pathes from the same A to B (hard-caching would be saving the path somewhere and just handing it out as needed).
The moment the outpost drops, anything in it will stop processing anyway, so there's no pathing happening anymore (maybe haulers, if they were on the way, but then the manager requesting pick up is gone anyway so I'd lose a couple)
slender compass
hard-cached / soft-cached? whats the difference?
soft-cached being timed and hard cached being an event that invalidates it?
scarlet fossil
Some people put the path on… say the source itself and use that anytime they need to go to/from it
(I'm just coming up with those names)
scarlet fossil
soft-cached being timed and hard cached being an event that invalidates it?
I guess you could see it that way as well, yeah
slender compass
ahh, i see, makes sense!
currently im only building roads on the planned paths and using it for harvester spawning and hauler assignment
actual movement is still based of path finding and its eating its fair share of cpu that i should really fix sometime soon...
scarlet fossil
…actually, I'm wrong. I don't cache paths. I cache distances. There's a few commented leftovers of a time where OM did actual path-caching, but I've been meaning to check out what has gone missing and maybe bring that back.
slender compass
so pathing back to the storage involves doing some lookups in a distance map for example?
scarlet fossil
Not even. It's just using the pathing library, which doesn't cache those. But if you ask for a distance that will get computed (generating a path) and then cached for a while.
slender compass
interesting!
scarlet fossil
Almost. I have a few places that need a few different distances (with or without terrain, with or without accounting for a creep's carry/fatigue)
Think knowing when a deposit miner should head back so it has some hope at not dying on the way back
But that gets cached into the deposit manager
slender compass
probabilistic clearing.. thats new for me
is it just randomly clearing a couple cached values every now and then based on the bucket?
slender compass
scarlet fossil
There's the commented full path version just below
slender compass
thats pretty cool, i already know quite a few places in my code that could benefit from something like this
scarlet fossil
Movement, Pathing and MatrixLib are files I spent quite some time in, fixing a few oddball issues
Mostly around portal handling, IIRC, but a couple of cleanups as well
(IIRC that's a heavily modified Traveler)
slender compass
recently i've been working on my own pathfinder, still gotta figure out better heuristics in a practical way to optimize it even more
#pathfinding message
for portal pathing i've already got everything pretty much covered, even doing crazy intershard shard0 fast travel 😄 (although that mess of code definitely needs some much needed optimizations and cleanup)
scarlet fossil
I haven't finished my intersharding code. I stole some idea from someone else in the fork network who had some basic stuff, but integrated it so that it's generic given OM's management system.
Got stuck on how to properly handle InterShardMemory exchange tho, and last time I enabled it, it filled up its memory and broke
slender compass
what is the InterShardMemory exchange supposed to do?
intershard code was for me one of the most fun things to work on, very similar challenges to making peer to peer applications imo
scarlet fossil
Looks like that at the moment: ```ts
const enum InterShardPacketType {
HEARTBEAT = "hb",
CREEP_MEMORY = "cm",
PUBLISH_DIRECTIVE = "pd",
UNPUBLISH_DIRECTIVE = "ud",
CREEP_REPORT = "cr",
}
/* snip the actual packets */
interface InterShardMemory {
[peer: string]: InterShardMemoryContents;
}
interface InterShardMemoryContents {
packets: InterShardPacket[];
acks: { [packetId: string]: number };
time?: number;
}
(with a bunch of different "packet" types)
slender compass
ahhh, packets!
one simplification i made for packet handling is that the ack can simply be "i received all packets send before tick X from shard Y"
even handles acks of acks nicely if you wanna go crazy (:
scarlet fossil
Yeah, I considered doing that, but then I'd have stalls because of the creep memory being out of sync
slender compass
mhh?
scarlet fossil
Like, I can't ack those before the creep has showed up on the other side
slender compass
ohh, thats a interesting one
i've never had to deal with that since i store a creeps memory in their name (don't really recommend it tbh)
scarlet fossil
added my packet types ☝️
How it works is that I'd drop, say a colonize directive on top of a shard portal, with a special syntax indicating the target room on the other side. Pioneers start going out, cross the portal, and on the other side the true colonize directive gets placed, and then pings back the "creep report" (role, current, needed), so that the other side knows it can stop sending whatever the directive needed.
I've only tested it with colonization, but technically I could place down whatever
slender compass
the whole creep report thing im pretty sure ive majorly overcomplicated in my implementation, sounds like a smart way to do it
scarlet fossil
It's derived from how OM handles its spawning, so that was easy
I guess I could make spawn groups work with that as well, but I've just thought about it 😅
slender compass
the whole creep report thing im pretty sure ive majorly overcomplicated in my im...
for my implementation:
each creep (or spawn, or queued spawn) would promise what that its gonna do something, and aslong as something is promising that the room gets build (or anything else it was gonna do) its won't ask again to do that task
the promises that are being handled on the current shard are then broadcast too all other shards, so all shards know whats being done
for example:
shard0 wants asks shard1 to promise that its gonna claim room X on shard0, then shard0 promises that its gonna do that
from then shard0 won't ask any other shard to claim room X as something is promising to claim room X already
scarlet fossil
Sounds like a nice alternative
slender compass
this nicely handles a claimer spawning from shard3 going to shard0, 5 portals, then hopping to shard1 and back to shard0 then more portals into shard2 for a claim on the other side of shard2...
but it really feels overcomplicated for what it does
scarlet fossil
I mean, if it handles it, all the better 😅
I just expected to have shard-to-shard working, at least. Nothing more complicated than that
Also, it starts to get messy if I need to share portals coordinates across shards…
slender compass
mhhh?
that was the "can't be easier" part for me, what was the issue?
maybe the rust API has some magic that makes it relatively painless to share coordinates
oh wait, portal coordinates, i misread, oh no
that is a very big mess yes...
scarlet fossil
Yeah. I'm pretty much handing out one directive and a bunch of creep to another OM, and that's where I stopped
Mainline OM's not exactly aware of portals. That's one part I had to write intel management code for
slender compass
makes sense, i don't think you get that much more value out of it if you already have "simple" 1 hop intershard code
scarlet fossil
I mean, to be fair, given how frequent those are, I could just shove them in the intershard memory as static data and let the others see all of it…
slender compass
thats what i did, and its still a mess
scarlet fossil
I bet. You'd need to have the terrain data around. That's the point where I just stopped 😅
slender compass
im just assuming all rooms are plain open for portal pathing, the "good enough" approach
i've toyed with the idea of requesting other shards to do pathfinding from 1 portal to another though
scarlet fossil
Heh. Robalian stole the room I was planning to colonize back then
slender compass
random side question: do you hardcode the available shard names?
scarlet fossil
(quad-portals: https://screeps.com/a/#!/room/shard1/W30N30)
scarlet fossil
random side question: do you hardcode the available shard names?
I did, yeah
slender compass
i tried to make it dynamic but it was a massive pain and just hardcoded it now, good decision 😛
scarlet fossil
I guess that's something else that could go live in the intershard memory; have each of them drop their Game.map.shard name or whatever it is. But you don't run if there's no creep. I guess I could use the portal destinations I see and stash that as well…
…I should finish my portals mod. I'd love to toy with those on pservers, at least the normal ones
slender compass
…I should finish my portals mod. I'd love to toy with those on pservers, at leas...
i'd love it if that was working!
testing on PTR isn't exactly great when its broken half the time
cerulean wadi
I don't know why they have ptr up at all tbh.. if there's a constant balancing act of server resources to keep world shards at acceptable tick rates why are they wasting any resources on a PTR server that isn't actually being used to test any game changes when private servers exist.
slender compass
there is no way for me to properly test intershard code without PTR though, i really appriciate that its working every now and then
scarlet fossil
Intershard is pretty much the only exception. Market code, too. That's what I found the PTR most useful for
cerulean wadi
If it at all takes away resources from world, not worth it imo
scarlet fossil
Actually, scrap the market code, that's not true ('cause everyone but you is frozen on there)
scarlet fossil
If it at all takes away resources from world, not worth it imo
Not that we really have any to begin with, apart from the infrastructure :/
cerulean wadi
changed my badge so my old man eyes can actually see my reserved rooms now 👴
scarlet fossil
Logging in, logging in~
cerulean wadi
I suppose it's time to finally re-enable my sk mining code
scarlet fossil
Ah, clearly more visible now
cerulean wadi
it.. wasn't great before 😂
scarlet fossil
I think that just leaves Harabi
Also, are the terrain tiles broken just for me or…
On sandbox?
slender compass
seems fine for me
scarlet fossil
Nevermind. I moved the map and they loaded 🤔
The history worries me a bit…
-rw-r--r-- 1 node node 32.0G Jan 26 19:29 history.db
I feel like that's a bit much
I mean, it was 6Gb when I looked at restarting it. Slashed the chunking size from 100 to 20, so like *5
Sounds about right
cerulean wadi
wonder if the history mod could be changed to only log history in rooms with a specific flag rather than any room with a creep. I don't need history in 95% of my rooms.
scarlet fossil
I guess? I'd much prefer fixing the heap leak tho
cerulean wadi
I mean that works too 😂 . Having a flag only mode would help with overhead for servers that want history but don't want to spend the resources for full history.
scarlet fossil
IIRC it's saving any rooms that are active at the moment
(Trying to see if I can mount the docker data volume back on the host so I can poke at that database)
Oh, I'm a Docker n00b. Of course it's just already there
(storing that for later 501500)
scarlet fossil
24350602|W18S5|5053800||2024-12-03 15:35:39.116 +00:00|2024-12-03 15:35:39.116 +00:00
It's storing quite a few more than that 🤣
kind trench
ye, i'd say a day-max-two would be good enough
scarlet fossil
Deleted all of 2024
Pretty sure some of those are from the previous server
sqlite> SELECT COUNT(*), MIN(createdAt), MAX(createdAt) FROM histories;
8014163|2025-01-17 19:39:21.805 +00:00|2025-01-26 20:03:31.811 +00:00
I'm just impressed at how many rows there are…
That's one per room per 20 ticks, but still
polar path
If it at all takes away resources from world, not worth it imo
It's important for something like PTR to exist to allow the testing of certain things that are impossible to test on pservers. And it has a system to remove CPU from people who don't log in to it, so it's only using resources for people who actually use it to test.
kind trench
PTR allows for testing stuff like memory / layout migration
which you usually cannot replicate well on private/community server
scarlet fossil
…cannot replicate? Just do that in prod, and then write the code to revert if you don't like the results 🤣
sullen condor
I think that just leaves Harabi
Me?
sullen condor
@scarlet fossil How much aggressive your bot is at power harvesting?
scarlet fossil
<@559309692514336778> How much aggressive your bot is at power harvesting?
It's not
depends what you mean by aggressive. It's not gonna defend
sullen condor
Good. I want to test power harvesting
sullen condor
depends what you mean by aggressive. It's not gonna defend
Attack my power duos?
Are you willing to turn on / write code to make them aggressive later?
sullen condor
My power duos are nonviolent now
scarlet fossil
Yeah, just like mine
sullen condor
Cool
scarlet fossil
I can drop a guard directive, if you want some bumps
scarlet fossil
Actually, that would also give me some data about my skeletal skirmish tracking stuff…
Not sure if I want to use the drills to defend power banks… There's this in in: ```ts
private getHostileDrill(powerBank: StructurePowerBank) {
return (
powerBank.hits < powerBank.hitsMax &&
powerBank.pos.findInRange(FIND_HOSTILE_CREEPS, 2)[0]
);
}
private handleHostileDrill(
hostileDrill: Creep,
powerBank: StructurePowerBank
) {
Game.notify(
`${hostileDrill.owner.username} power harvesting ${powerBank.room.name}, competing for same power bank.`
);
// this.directive.remove();
}
Not called from anywhere
scarlet fossil
But later I want to test highway conflict
It's currently recovering its bucket, but there should be 2 broodlings hanging out there pretty soon
scarlet fossil
highway, I guess?
sullen condor
In that case I guess we can make W0N0 as hill and play some king of the hill game?
scarlet fossil
Sure, sounds good
sullen condor
Cool. I'll drop the occupy mission on that room, which will try to keep the control over that room (used in season7 to get control over score collector, but never seriously used)
scarlet fossil
Okay, 2 broodlings headed to W0N0
sullen condor
For me, it's one 1m1r creep lol
scarlet fossil
Had to fix a couple of bugs. OM doesn't really like its directives forcibly moved like I just did 😅
But "energybath" incoming 👀
scarlet fossil
For me, it's one 1m1r creep lol
Do you have some sort of "long range scanning/tracking" of stuff?
sullen condor
With observer?
scarlet fossil
Mhm
I have a dumb system that goes through all observers and scans a 10x10 around each, and that's about it. I have a manual "over there" thing for special cases, and that's about it
insert cowboy face-off music
sullen condor
I guess my little creeps will be quite scared
scarlet fossil
Such positioning, much wow
sullen condor
They are waiting for... bigger ones
And at the same time first power mining is going on
scarlet fossil
I'm resetting bucket again 😅
That's gonna be a interesting fight
I'm getting too much pathing failures in the SK rooms, and that causes the bucket to sometime drop hard
sullen condor
Yeah. That's kinda annoying
Did quite a debugging last week and it's hard to find pathing issue now
scarlet fossil
@sullen condor It's on!
sullen condor
Cool
scarlet fossil
Aaaand they ded
sullen condor
Yeah. Your bot keeps sending creeps?
scarlet fossil
CPU: used: 129.487, bucket: 2407 (delta: -33, est: 371, avg: -30), tick limit: 500
Yup
But my bucket isn't exactly happy
sullen condor
Not adjusting size/number with enemy creeps?
scarlet fossil
Nope, that's the dumb invader-only directive
I mean, that's on me, I picked the first one I could think of 😅
CPU: used: 132.435, bucket: 1288 (delta: -30, est: 368, avg: -9), tick limit: 500
What a bunch of pathfinding work can do to your bucket average 🤩
…not that it's exactly better, but still
scarlet fossil
Not adjusting size/number with enemy creeps?
Let me swap it out for the correct one
[koth!>outpostDefense] enemy potentials: {"attack":55.00000000000001,"ranged":26,"heal":18,"dismantle":0}
allies potentials: {"attack":46,"ranged":19,"heal":10,"dismantle":0}
unit: {"attack":23,"ranged":19,"heal":33,"dismantle":0}
counts: {"attackCount":3,"rangedCount":2,"healerCount":1}
[koth!>outpostDefense] wishlisting 2 hydralisk to [koth!>outpostDefense:SG]: {"reassignIdle":true}
[koth!>outpostDefense] requesting 2 hydralisk@250, current: 1, to spawn: 1
[koth!>outpostDefense] wishlisting 1 transfuser to [koth!>outpostDefense:SG]: {"reassignIdle":true}
[koth!>outpostDefense] requesting 1 transfuser@250, current: 0, to spawn: 1
[koth!>outpostDefense] wishlisting 3 zergling to [koth!>outpostDefense:SG]: {"reassignIdle":true}
[koth!>outpostDefense] requesting 3 zergling@250, current: 2, to spawn: 1
Cool
scarlet fossil
That's a bit more people
sullen condor
So it would be fight => A win -> B spawn bigger -> B win -> A spawn bigger
sullen condor
Wdym by tracking
scarlet fossil
It's only based on the strength of what's currently in the room
sullen condor
I see
sullen condor
@scarlet fossil lol my bot decided to spawn T3 boosted creeps... it's a bit too fast
scarlet fossil
I mean… I tickled it wrong ^^
[koth!>outpostDefense] enemy potentials: {"attack":127.60000000000001,"ranged":88.4,"heal":108,"dismantle":0}
allies potentials: {"attack":138,"ranged":76,"heal":61,"dismantle":0}
unit: {"attack":23,"ranged":19,"heal":33,"dismantle":0}
counts: {"attackCount":6,"rangedCount":5,"healerCount":4}
[koth!>outpostDefense] wishlisting 5 hydralisk to [koth!>outpostDefense:SG]: {"reassignIdle":true}
[koth!>outpostDefense] requesting 5 hydralisk@250, current: 4, to spawn: 1
[koth!>outpostDefense] wishlisting 4 transfuser to [koth!>outpostDefense:SG]: {"reassignIdle":true}
[koth!>outpostDefense] requesting 4 transfuser@250, current: 1, to spawn: 3
I don't have anything set up to push it to boost tho
Has it been 6 fights?
sullen condor
```
[koth!>outpostDefense] enemy potentials: {"attack":127.60000000000001,"r...
It cannot consider boost?
scarlet fossil
It cannot consider boost?
It should
The big bump in enemy potential looks to me like it did account for them
sullen condor
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W0N0?t=7650961
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W0N0?t=7651258
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W0N0?t=7651740
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W0N0?t=7652417
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W0N0?t=7652506
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W0N0?t=7653201
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W0N0?t=7653354
so far
scarlet fossil
I'm at 6, but I might have missed the first one (I compressed my skirmish memory keys, so I lost the data that was already there)
scarlet fossil
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shar...
How is it on your end?
I'm confused how I have visibility of that room sometimes, even when I have no more creep in it…
kind trench
because tombstone
scarlet fossil
Heh, it just clicked
Sounds weird that a dead creep would do that
I mean… free intel for me, I'm not gonna complain~
polar path
Tombstones give vision so you can see what killed your creeps, I think. Since you need vision to get the event log.
Technically they only need one tick of vision for that.
scarlet fossil
That room is pure chaos at the moment
scarlet fossil
@sullen condor You won!
too much firepower needed to fight: {"attackCount":1,"rangedCount":10,"healerCount":9}
scarlet fossil
Oh, I've kept it running
It got scared by the T3s at one point, but once those stopped coming it went right back in
sullen condor
I would have been more interesting if I disabled boosts
scarlet fossil
I've worked a lot on combat intel, that was nice having the data around
sullen condor
Cool
scarlet fossil
Still trying to find a good serialization format for creep data though
scarlet fossil
Yeah, you fought really well
Or I fought really badly 😅
Would have loved to have actual kill tracking, but I wasn't looking at that
sullen condor
Yeah, I think zerglings has very bad body composition. You should put attack first to chase enemy. And since you can't heal and attack at the same time, it's better to attach healers to them. I think that's the biggest difference. Plus, your creeps don't heal each others?
Plus, hydralisks only heal after they got hurt. It'll be better if they preheal
scarlet fossil
Noted~ The creep bodies are old, so a lot of the meta has stabilized since those were implemented
sullen condor
Yeah I see
scarlet fossil
Finally got around to wiring PandaScreeps and it's not pretty 😟
cerulean wadi
😅 I would not want to see my bucket on a graph for sandbox. I have a bunch of CPU issues I need to fix before I can finally start working on my combat code (not to mention my sudden inability to stockpile energy)
But.. my sk mining code is mostly working so, that's something
Power mining is a bit more of an issue, they're out there attacking the deposits but I don't think I've successfully cracked one in time yet 🫠
scarlet fossil
I get the feeling of not wanting to see that. What's funny to me is that I get the exact opposite on MMO; That big upward vertical yellow line is the bucket rebuilding itself via the whole bot suspending its main loop. MMO has it the other way; there's a big downward vertical line indicating a pixel being generated
To be fair, I just suspended a colony, for the sake of stopping the bleeding, and that seems to have at least stabilized it
cerulean wadi
I don't know if kaldri is in discord, but I accidentally put your broken room out of its misery 😅
bitter lava
@cerulean wadi badge buddies?
cerulean wadi
scarlet fossil
[00:45:17]INFO 7872261 Terminal network activity:
‣ W4N8 ⟶ 3000 ZH ⟶ W12N5
[00:45:21]INFO 7872263 Terminal network activity:
‣ W2N8 ⟶ 3000 ZH ⟶ W4N8
[00:45:26]INFO 7872265 Terminal network activity:
‣ W7N2 ⟶ 3000 ZH ⟶ W2N8
[00:45:28]INFO 7872266 Terminal network activity:
‣ W3N5 ⟶ 3000 ZH ⟶ W7N2
[00:45:30]INFO 7872267 Terminal network activity:
‣ W8N5 ⟶ 3000 ZH ⟶ W3N5
[00:45:32]INFO 7872268 Terminal network activity:
‣ W6N7 ⟶ 3000 ZH ⟶ W8N5
[00:45:34]INFO 7872269 Terminal network activity:
‣ W12N5 ⟶ 3000 ZH ⟶ W6N7
[00:45:39]INFO 7872271 Terminal network activity:
‣ W4N8 ⟶ 3000 ZH ⟶ W12N5
Watch the ZH go round n' round, round n' round, round n' round 🎶
cerulean wadi
Ha I don't have that.. I do have a lot of "Factory decides to make this!", "Factory isn't making this anymore!", "Factory decides to make this!", "Factory isn't making this anymore!", "Factory decides to make this!", "Factory isn't making this anymore!", "Factory decides to make this!", "Factory isn't making this anymore!"
scarlet fossil
Oh, I got those. "Factory has been waiting for 50 ticks for biomass. Resetting…"
I just fixed an issue where the Terminal Network wasn't pulling resources from storage to terminal (forgot active providers), and now it's going on a loop because I suspect it's sending the recipent above the threshold, so they each become an active provider in turn
scarlet fossil
Suspending server for a bit. I wanna know if I can somehow manage to get the history database to be a little less bloated
scarlet fossil
Server running again. Not really a success, I'm afraid
scarlet fossil
Gonna do a bit of brain surgery to try and hopefully collect some data on those broken history chunks, so server is gonna do a few restarts (hopefully ones I cause and not random crashes 😅)
sullen condor
@kind trench Can you siege me for a while? I think there is some severe bug in my defense code
kind trench
quad on the way but tick duration is quite loong
sullen condor
@kind trench Big Thanks
kind trench
quad in E8N3
cerulean wadi
This server is doing a good job of reminding me that my CPU usage when at my GCL cap is atrocious 🫠
scarlet fossil
And that's after I made pathing failures forcibly sleep the responsible creep for a few ticks
cerulean wadi
I need to ramp down my rcl8's more. They don't need to each be having 25 creeps and remotes
radiant lily
Eyy glad you are all enjoying this so much still 🙂
scarlet fossil
Eyy glad you are all enjoying this so much still 🙂
Oh hi! Yeah, it's been running pretty smoothly
sullen condor
@kind trench Defenders are not working
kind trench
at least rampart has 40m, gives me some time to debug
sullen condor
Yeah
kind trench
ah ok, i'm not takingaccount of tough when calculating
kind trench
fixed @sullen condor
sullen condor
Cool
kind trench
now to somewhow make your quads more miserable than my room
sullen condor
What are they doing😂
kind trench
working well
for some reason, my defenders are not attacking on tick that they both can but are notin position
sullen condor
wdym? They don't attack when they can?
sullen condor
I see
kind trench
hm so my one defender is blocking 2 of your quads
according to my math, it's not strong enough to do anything to them
as-in though + outheal is bigger than what it would deal with towers
sullen condor
Effect of ra is more than double at point blank
That situation doesn't look good... maybe I should make them to change target if it's been too long to shoot watergun
kind trench
what's the "cost" for quad to path around
because that's few M of walls to go through
kind trench
a right, they are boosting (or should be)
kind trench
nope RA
for meager 2 T3 RA-boosts i seem to save 30 T1 Attack ones
whooping 80dmg at range 1
sullen condor
Lol yeah
kind trench
got some data finally from event log, and seems i heavily underestimated dmg 🙈
[11:41:16]Siege Data: 💥9240💥 🛠️3000🛠️
kind trench
ok now it ramps properly
Siege Data: 💥8700💥 🛠️8500🛠️ 🛡️17769🛡️
sullen condor
What that numbers mean?
kind trench
attacker dmg, my repair, ticks-to-breach
(as of previous tick)
and all debug data 🙈
sullen condor
I see lol
kind trench
funnily enough, it's fairly cheap
like 1cpu for getting all dmg/repair of all attacked ramparts here
sullen condor
if You intend to do some more testing,i'd be nice to get some energy ;D
lol. you have 15 rooms! How this attack made you drained
kind trench
9
because most of them does not have remotes
because of cpu throttle and because of you :p
scarlet fossil
I have become Harabi, Destroyer of energy stockpiles
kind trench
also also, quads did ~100m of rampart damage despite repair
and few bugs somehow happening in other rooms
kind trench
ok can stably outrepair your dmg as long as i have enough energy
kind trench
how the siege stats / outlook is your side @sullen condor ?
sullen condor
how the siege stats / outlook is your side <@332126639607644160> ?
What stats? Energy/resource usage?
kind trench
yes
or progress if you have any metric on that
also,is it like "send quads till room is down" type of attack ?
sullen condor
also,is it like "send quads till room is down" type of attack ?
Yeah. Don't have special metric.
Not tracking spent resources
kind trench
also, the _disallowedCoords from your traffic library seems to not work "i think"
private keepToRamparts(c: ActiveRepairerCreep): void {
const onRampart = c.pos.lookFor(LOOK_STRUCTURES).find((s) => s.structureType === STRUCTURE_RAMPART);
if (!onRampart) {
return;
}
const nonRampartedArea = sUtils
.getPositionsAroundRoomObject(c)
.filter(
(p) => !Game.rooms[c.pos.roomName].lookForAt(LOOK_STRUCTURES, p.x, p.y).find((s) => s.structureType === STRUCTURE_RAMPART),
);
c.setWorkingArea(c.pos, 1, nonRampartedArea);
}
despite this code they still get pushed into your quads i think, will need to recheck if they are really pushed into quad or just walk into it
sullen condor
I use that feature in my own defense and I thought they work as intended
You should use costs and threshold instead of setWorkingArea
kind trench
should be also
hence "i think" ;p
god, i see i pass "avoidSpots" into my pathfinder but it's completely unused 🙈
hum definitely got pushed 🤔
and definitely walked into quad also 🙈
kind trench
so i guess a stalemate
sullen condor
I think I should improve logic to find position to get formed
kind trench
for now it seems that there's a stalemate
as in ramparts breach time is not falling down
(not to say that i do not bleed energy)
kind trench
hum ok, took you 2 days but you've chewed through
sullen condor
Oh. I didn't expect my bot to afford that
kind trench
a lot to improve still but very satisfied with outcome
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/E8N4?t=8446120
sullen condor
Cann't see that now. Can you explain?
kind trench
i survived 4 days of having 2 quads attacking room 24/7
while having energy issues
and the logic did not horribly break when you finally dug through to open another ramparts for quads
sullen condor
Yeah. Nice defense
sullen condor
@severe sun Did you spawn in sandbox?
kind trench
sullen condor
There was a bad loop...
- Spawn remote defender for W7N4, which both traxusBot and my bot think as its own remote
- After killing invaders, they join the cool harasser club
- Traxus sends another invader
- Go back to 1
Will it be better to keep them as remote defenders for like, one hundred ticks?
Let them be harassers after that
kind trench
i'd calculate time by distance to closest "owned hostile room"
can be (linear + 1) * 50
maybe with some buffer extra depending on body-size
sullen condor
Isn't it better to wait longer when enemy room is closer?
Since there is higher chance of revenge
kind trench
no, because then the time that enemy shows up is shorter
sullen condor
I see the point
kind trench
so i.e 50 (for hostile-room adjecent remote) + idk 120 (since defender was 40bodyparts, we assume same-one-ish would be sent) + idk. 50 on-top since spawn could be busy doing something else
sullen condor
So, wait and see if enemy sends back combatants, and change them to be harassers after that?
kind trench
yes
sullen condor
How about send them to one of the enemy remotes that's not mine?
Enemy can be busy handling them, so cannot send combatants to the contested remotes. Maybe I can harvest contested remotes while doing that
scarlet fossil
There was a bad loop...
1. Spawn remote defender for W7N4, which both traxusBot ...
invader? I was here first, sir! /j
But yeah, it's a complete bloodbath, and that pretty much drained me because OM stoopid
sullen condor
You are the zerg. Zergs are invaders!
scarlet fossil
shrieks in zergling noises
Sadly I'm not planning to try and fix any of that, so I guess it's just gonna keep sending fodder
scarlet fossil
Yeah, I'm sorry, but that's definitely zerg-like behavior 🤣
sullen condor
Oh, It seems that I said wrong. I mean, it's my bot that is problematic
sullen condor
There was a bad loop...
1. Spawn remote defender for W7N4, which both traxusBot ...
This loop is making things more and more bad
scarlet fossil
I mean, it's a bit of mine. The issues I see:
- the idling creeps are just dead as soon as the directive gets removed (which happens once there hasn't been any hostile around for a few hundred ticks. A new one will get placed when it detects you, but at the moment the whole "idle" pool is just completely ignored. Hence, they dead.
- I won't stop; there's nothing in OM to abandon a conflicted remote like that. The only case where that will happen is for the case I added where someone pops in the middle of my "remote territory" and cuts out part of it in a way it can't easily be reached.
- I'm not tracking the resource expense of shoveling creeps in there to just stop when it gets too bloodbath-y
- There's no escalation; you will always get the same set of creeps, in a loop. Only the amount of it will change depending on how much is being detected
sullen condor
I mean, it's a bit of mine. The issues I see:
- the idling creeps are just dead ...
Idling : my bot sends them as harassers.
my bot won't stop too, unless you sends ridiculously big army
my bot do not track the expense too
my bot has escalation
So, in terms of bloodbath-y, my bot is better at going crazy 🤣
polar path
There was a bad loop...
1. Spawn remote defender for W7N4, which both traxusBot ...
Currently the things I have in place to mitigate this are keeping squads separate rather than combining them into a bigger one (although I want to add ways to combine and split them intelligently eventually) and having squads get re-assigned back to defense from attack if defense is needed.
kind trench
Idling : my bot sends them as harassers.
my bot won't stop too, unless you sends...
why not have predefined count of harass missions ?
with max creeps cap
so i.e max cap of 300bodyparts , to be capped at idk. 5-10cpu max
and then you just generate missions like room-x-harass needs 25bp so a single creep with 1cpu, room-y costs 200bp so 5 creeps 5 cpu and other rooms need 120bp+/3+cpu so dont get harass mission
sullen condor
@polar path I added you as ally in sandbox and your creeps are killing mine 🥲
polar path
Oh, I will add you
Not sure how it will handle remote overlap tbh
My ally code is untested
sullen condor
Better test here than thunderdrone!
polar path
Fair. I probably won't be supervising it as closesly on sandbox though. XD
scarlet fossil
Vote for a reset?
cerulean wadi
scarlet fossil
Server reset, I'm making a map right now
6x6, except I'm gonna punch a hole in the middle 'cause I feel fancy
scarlet fossil
I should have generated the 6x6 on the server. Maptool is a bit slow for so many rooms
scarlet fossil
Server's ticking if you wanna make some sand castles
cerulean wadi
Portals? Aspect I wanted to work on after seeing them this td
polar path
Portals from the inner edge of the ring to the outer edge of the same section to make it a donut. :P
scarlet fossil
I could? It's just that doing it manually is a bit of a slog
…hence why I wanted to make a mod out of those
sonic marsh
I also second portals, even just a couple.
scarlet fossil
I'm working on the mod. I'm just done with the core "make me a portal pair from here to there" function
Oddly enough, I can't get the client to show the neat "unstable portal" message
…not sure what the rules on that are, tbh
Oh. It only shows the "portal is stable yet" on shard portals
Well that explains it
cerulean wadi
Ya no rush on them, just whenever the mods done ADD THEM OR I WILL RIOT 
scarlet fossil
I'm gonna dogfood my shiny new mod a bit, so server's gonna be taken down for a bit
Portals are in
The current rules are: they're all stable for one day, then will go through a PORTAL_DECAY-ticks long decay before vanishing
I think 30000 ticks?
Things I have not yet finished: sliders mode, where it could make a one-way portal only. And stray mode, where it might drop a portal into a non-core/crossroads
sonic marsh
Things I have not yet finished: sliders mode, where it could make a one-way port...
And stray mode, where it might drop a portal into a non-core/crossroads
Oh god
Imagine one dropping onto a hauling route for a bot that doesn't have portal code
Tragedy
scarlet fossil
Yeah, the reason I didn't finish that is how brutal it could be
"Portal pops up behind your ramparts"
I think if I do something like that, I'll make it skip owned/reserved rooms
Do tell if you see them doing weird things. I've reused a lot of the server's helpers for things like finding empty spaces so hopefully it's not gonna jam them into walls, but you never know
sullen condor
Ohh that was risky
Oh seems that not many spawned in sandbox. Maybe because of thunderdrone?
sonic marsh
Oh I didn't realize it was live yet lol
scarlet fossil
Ohh that was risky
Yeah, I misplaced my first spawn, then went on doing the portal mod. I wrote that code a while back and I think it's the first time it runs unsupervised; there's a few other special cases like terminal/storage moving, where I'll force some sort of special conditions to be fulfilled before it'll let the delete happen
Generally "make sure we have the energy around" and "make sure we have extra workers spawned in"
I've just started untangling the room planner from the colony, so that I can try and wire in a dynamic one in
Sadly I broke something and the initialization order is now wrong, so my test branch is a startup crash 😭
polar path
Oh seems that not many spawned in sandbox. Maybe because of thunderdrone?
I have some updates I want to do before I spawn in to sandbox.
cerulean wadi
Is there a grafana page up for sandbox?
scarlet fossil
The server stats? Not that I'm aware of
You can set up pandascreeps against it tho
sullen condor
http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W2N17?t=157929 RCL5 Before safeMode with all the structures and ramparts from rcl4 🙂
polar path
Nice!
scarlet fossil
Bumped the portal pair limit to 90
@cerulean wadi you have a core portal close to you now~
And one south of your east highway
cerulean wadi
nice, my explorers should take them when they find them (and store the portal info in my intel cache). I just need to figure out how to make my routing account for portals
scarlet fossil
That's another level on top of airports. Underground airports
cerulean wadi
Don't worry, those csites are more roads
sonic marsh
Most people adapt their room plan to the terrain. This guy takes the modern human approach of adapting the terrain to their room plan.
torpid ledge
Modern problems require modern solutions
scarlet fossil
Saving that for later. It's not yet in the history, but that's the moment the room architect noticed me replanning the room so it wouldn't be squished against the eastern exits
Am I the only one getting ```
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at <runtime>:21583:41
at Object.Game.market.deal (main:2249:22)
at TraderJoe.buyDirect (main:15378:42)
at TraderJoe.buy (main:15501:33)
at TerminalNetwork.handleRequestInstance (main:45761:47)
at TerminalNetwork.handleRequestors (main:45953:38)
at TerminalNetwork.run (main:46003:14)
at try (main:48210:45)
at _Overmind.try (main:48055:17)
at _Overmind.run (main:48210:17)
at Object.main [as loop] (main:49359:16)
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on resets?Getting wild with portals around here
scarlet fossil
Oh yeah, it's gonna be a bit random. IIRC the only limitation I've put in right now is that there can't be two different portals to the same room
sonic marsh
Like, two from one room that both lead to the same room?
I don't mind portals all over the place though. Makes it easier to test
scarlet fossil
Like, two from one room that both lead to the same room?
Yeah, that's the only case I thought was a bit silly when I was testing things locally
Tbf I had to set the limit pretty high because I'm not sure I handle detecting those "core" portals really well right now
So I think they end up taking 8 spots into the "pair queue"
sonic marsh
Oof, makes sense
scarlet fossil
Yeah, it's one of the crazier things I have to do; tell a core portal from a non-core portal
I am actually detecting those, but not that I'm looking at it, I'm not sure it's actually working like I intended it to 😅
// We make a list of all the portals we know about
const oneWay = new Set<PortalObject>();
const pairs = new Map<PortalObject, PortalObject>();
const portals = (await db['rooms.objects'].find({ type: 'portal' })) as PortalObject[];
const corePortals = new Set<PortalObject>();
for (const portal of portals) {
const pair = portals.find((p) => isSamePos(p, portal.destination));
const roomPortals = portals.filter((p) => p.room === portal.room);
// Core portal detection
if (corePortals.has(portal)) {
continue;
}
const walls = (await db['rooms.objects'].find({ type: 'constructedWall', room: portal.room })) as WallObject[];
if (walls.length && roomPortals.length) {
const closePortals = roomPortals.filter((p) => walls.some((w) => isInRangeTo(p, w, 1)));
if (closePortals.length === 8) {
closePortals.forEach((p) => corePortals.add(p));
}
}
if (pair) {
pairs.set(portal, pair);
pairs.set(pair, portal);
} else {
oneWay.add(portal);
}
}
I'm saddened to report that my manual hacking of the auth timeouts doesn't appear to have done anything
IIRC I set those to 1h long, and yet it's timing out way earlier than that
polar path
lol, Jasper and Neon fighting over trying to sign the whole map with portal-capable scouts.
I spawned in near Harabi after making some planner tweaks. I'll probably try to work through some stuff on my to-do list with Sandbox as the test environment.
sullen condor
Cool
scarlet fossil
Yeah, I've been told. I should try and see how modified they really are but ugh
scarlet fossil
Ok wow, it's old
It's neither one of Muon's current versions
It's before the rename of the Strategist class
scarlet fossil
I have no idea, I'd have to grab random commits from Muon, build them, and diff his version against that to find a likely branch point
Was already a pain to get their code out into something I could diff against
polar path
Fair
scarlet fossil
Okay, confirmed it's a 0.5.2.1. I don't see much in terms of actual differences, so looks like it's vanilla
I've disabled them after sending a message
polar path
Nice portal colonize, @slender compass
polar path
My bot is now aware of users and gives them each a numerical ID so I can save the ownership of each room I scout with a single UTF character.
scarlet fossil
Oh I like that!
sullen condor
My bot is now aware of users and gives them each a numerical ID so I can save th...
Oh I like that.
What's your plan if someone is wiped or respawned?
ebon palm
what are the details for pushing code? I can connect to game, with steamless client, but pushing code gives me connection refused, when using: "protocol":"https", "hostname":"jayseegames.com", "port":"443",
sullen condor
It is not https, just http iirc, and port is 21025
ebon palm
hmm, I tried that too. Also port 80 and 8080
I've created an account. Set my password under account settings
double checked email and password too
sullen condor
Hmm I have no idea then. What's the error says?
sandbox: {
options: {
token: undefined,
server: {
host: "jayseegames.com",
port: 21025,
http: true,
},
},
src: ["src/*.js"],
},
This is what I'ma using
In grunt
ebon palm
ok thanks, I figured it out. Was my push code not being able to handle http.
polar path
Oh I like that.
What's your plan if someone is wiped or respawned?
So far my plan is to keep that key populated forever. The number of valid keys I could have is many times greater than the total number of screeps players, so I don't think it will become an issue. If it does, I guess I can deal with it then. :P
I could just wipe that list and my temp scout map and restart scouting from scratch if it gets too bloated in the long run.
sonic marsh
My bot is now aware of users and gives them each a numerical ID so I can save th...
Stealing that lmao
Oh I can even default the first three to myself, Invaders, and SKs. Which actually cleans up a few things in my code
sonic marsh
So far my plan is to keep that key populated forever. The number of valid keys I...
Could always have a "tick last seen" and if you don't see their creeps or an owned room in some godawful long time you remove them
polar path
Could always have a "tick last seen" and if you don't see their creeps or an own...
Yeah, the issue is that gaps in the list of keys are not at all handled currently. XD
torpid ledge
is darklorde a unmodified overmind user? They seem to have some telltales of it
scarlet fossil
is darklorde a unmodified overmind user? They seem to have some telltales of it
No bunker would be modified
The ramparts in E28N5 outside the wall do look like a bug I had
Yeah, uses walls, has its own fast filler system, I don't think it's one
torpid ledge
kk
torpid ledge
me and darklorde have been duking it out for this one remote, i've mostly been winning but rn is a contentious moment
polar path
is darklorde a unmodified overmind user? They seem to have some telltales of it
No, but he is an NCP. That's Mirroar's Hivemind.
Right across the map from the original, lol.
I thought his name sounded familiar, he is also a Hivemind NCP on MMO, near me.
scarlet fossil
…is messaging broken for you too? Here at least, clicking the Message option in the sidebar results in a JS error
User disabled. Not sure how different his code is from Hivemind tho
polar path
As far as I could tell, it looked like standard Hivemind, but there may be changes that I missed.
torpid ledge
…is messaging broken for you too? Here at least, clicking the Message option in ...
Ye I tried to talk to tunnel man, broke for me
scarlet fossil
Ye I tried to talk to tunnel man, broke for me
Okay, so not just me. It's weird, you can get to the messaging if you send a message through someone's profile, but the main page is just broken
I'm not even sure what happen if someone sends you a message… Could someone send me one so I can maybe have a look?
sonic marsh
Messaged
Also did not break, I clicked on your profile and hit Message
Attempting to view messages, either from the sidebar or User profile > message > back button to messages, seems broken
sonic marsh
Well if the ping works, and the individual messaging pages work, then all folks have to do is go click on the user profile > message for everyone until they find the person who sent them something
polar path
lol
scarlet fossil
Oh wow, it is a mod error
I've just been through a bit of a rabbit hole before actually going to check on the server logs, and lo and behold
screeps-1 | 2025-03-19T15:37:42.753679131Z [backend] TypeError: _.indexBy is not a function
screeps-1 | 2025-03-19T15:37:42.753700271Z at db.users.find.then.users (/screeps/mods/node_modules/screepsmod-mongo/lib/backend/api/index.js:42:41)
screeps-1 | 2025-03-19T15:37:42.753712851Z at _fulfilled (/screeps/mods/node_modules/q/q.js:854:54)
screeps-1 | 2025-03-19T15:37:42.753716771Z at /screeps/mods/node_modules/q/q.js:883:30
screeps-1 | 2025-03-19T15:37:42.753720461Z at Promise.promise.promiseDispatch (/screeps/mods/node_modules/q/q.js:816:13)
screeps-1 | 2025-03-19T15:37:42.753724421Z at /screeps/mods/node_modules/q/q.js:624:44
screeps-1 | 2025-03-19T15:37:42.753728251Z at runSingle (/screeps/mods/node_modules/q/q.js:137:13)
screeps-1 | 2025-03-19T15:37:42.753732031Z at flush (/screeps/mods/node_modules/q/q.js:125:13)
screeps-1 | 2025-03-19T15:37:42.753735821Z at process._tickCallback (internal/process/next_tick.js:61:11)
aaand there's even a set of authlib monkeypatches in there. You know, the ones with the session expiration timeouts? Now I guess I know why my change to the server didn't do anything
sonic marsh
Gonna laugh when a messaging bug leads to fixing the timeout issue that's been plaguing this for ages lol
scarlet fossil
Okay, messaging fixed
Oddly enough, someone changed keyBy into indexBy (the lodash v3 version of the name 7 years ago), then lodash was pinned to v4 last year, causing the bug
torpid ledge
@scarlet fossil are you able to share the fix to this bug? I noticed newbieland has this problem too and sent a ping over to audite to check this thread
scarlet fossil
<@559309692514336778> are you able to share the fix to this bug? I noticed newbi...
I filed a few other ones as well, but nothing that's like… obvious
polar path
@sullen condor I think your power harvesters are passing through my room on sandbox. At least, there's random attack/heal duos passing through, so I assume they're probably power harvesters.
sullen condor
I registered you as ally in sandbox
🥲
You did not?
I did that during test period
polar path
Oh, I see. I can mark you as an ally for now as well. I figured we would want to test sparring with each other at some point, but we can turn off the ally status for that later.
sullen condor
Yeah. I almost forgot that I registered you as ally, tbh
polar path
I added you to my ally list on sandbox
I have public ramparts on my to-do list as well so maybe I can implement them soon and see if they work with your creeps passing through.
I'm basically just planning to port my V1 bot's behavior for that.
torpid ledge
I have public ramparts on my to-do list as well so maybe I can implement them so...
public ramparts is really easy
polar path
Yeah, that's going to be a quick item on my to-do list. Although my version of it is a bit fancy.
It's basically
- Set all ramparts public if there is no enemy in the room and has not been for some time.
- If there are enemies in the room, set ramparts in range 2 of the enemies to private.
So the ramparts get put up right in front of the enemy.
And it can save some intents compared to switching all of them
ebon palm
That's going to look pretty cool
Like a Tron thing
The intent cost is pretty heavy
I'm probably going to just allocate a few "entrances" to keep open
polar path
The intent cost is pretty heavy
How so?
ebon palm
Isn't it 0.2 per rampart
polar path
Yeah. But the method I use reduces how much switching is required compared to most methods I've seen. Like, probably the worst example I've seen is Trep's ramparts switching completely from public to private and back again every other tick when a creep is bouncing on the exit. Not to pick on him, but he should probably fix that. That's a lot of intents. XD
ebon palm
Yeah I see. I'm probably going to switch like 2-4 ramparts. Just enough to provide an "in" and "out"
polar path
That relies somewhat on your allies behaving a certain way. If they treat all your ramparts as walkable they may get stuck.
rotund olive
It's basically
1) Set all ramparts public if there is no enemy in the room and ...
If you miss two ticks aren't you scared of enemies getting in?
I prefer the Saruss thing where you only make public those close to allies and the rest are private
polar path
If I do that, though, that requires pathing allies to just trust that the ramparts will open when they get there. Which is the opposite of what they have to assume for Mike's idea. 😂
rotund olive
Yeah, just make them trust that. They have to do that anyways since some people do the Saruss thing
polar path
I think open by default is preferable for maximum compatibility with ally code. My system could be dangerous if I drop ticks, but that just means I need to avoid dropping ticks. And I think my bot is solid at doing that (except when I am testing in production).
If my bot is dropping ticks while under siege I have a problem anyways. just not as big of a problem.
rotund olive
Do you not drop ticks for a little after a global reset?
rotund olive
Or your bot isn't using global enough
polar path
It does cost extra CPU to reboot some things but it defers those things until it has CPU for them.
And it generally operates with bucket to dip in to
rotund olive
Hmm I'm suspicious that you aren't peaking 500 CPU after a reset for a few ticks. I guess if you make those rampart stuff giga priority you're basically fine
polar path
This is on Sandbox, I was at 10k bucket before and I spend 1k on the reset stuff. But, as I said, that stuff get deferred if it there isn't enough CPU for it. It will just muddle through without those things until there is CPU to do them.
If CPU crashes low enough, haulers will skip their job search code before allowing there to be an actual time out error.
polar path
Paths are on global
rotund olive
Huh
polar path
Maybe when I get a big empire on MMO I will have to put more measures in place. I would still rather have more things defer execution than have it actually time out. Timing out can cause lots of issues.
polar path
I should really add respecting ally remotes. It is on my to-do list, just not done yet. 🙃
cerulean wadi
Your remote? Our remote.
polar path
After thinking way too hard about potential deposit harvesting methods, I think I've landed back on a relatively simple method that I want to implement. 😂
I proceed to immediately rethink that decision again.
sonic marsh
After thinking way too hard about potential deposit harvesting methods, I think ...
Identify deposit
Send harvester(s) from closest room
Harvester(s) submit pickup requests to closest room, which sends haulers to collect
That's mine. Not the most efficient but about the simplest I could think of XD
polar path
Yeah, the thing is, I'm trying to go for most efficient rather than simplest. XD
sonic marsh
Yeah, that involves nonsense like calculating* hauler capacities and arrival times. Hard pass lmao
polar path
Some methods I've considered:
-
Orbs: 49w1c miner, 50m mover, 50c mobile container. When first arriving, there would be a train pulling both the miner and two mobile containers, since empty mobile containers don't have any weight for fatigue. I like this idea pretty well, but my biggest concern is how it would break down on the TTL front. I can't really match the TTLs of the creeps involved, and if their TTLs aren't matched then managing them so they don't die at the wrong time could be very tough. I might be able to do it, though.
-
Full infrastructure: The room that's harvesting it builds a container at the deposit and a road to it, so I can use a full 50w orb to mine it and drop it in the container, and have regular road haulers pick it up. The problem with that is how to efficiently put up that infrastructure, without energy being provided by the end of the road. I'd have to haul out energy from the base, probably. And, also, I'm not sure if it would be worth the investment. And I would have to haul out more energy and some sort of creep to repair it if the mining operation lasts longer than 5000 ticks.
-
Moderation?: Instead of trying for an orb, use a 25w25c miner and 25c25m haulers. That way, the miner can be its own living container, and I don't need haulers to idle near the miner. The downside is that it would mine slower than a 49w/50w miner, but maybe that doesn't really matter. This is what I think I will go with.
sonic marsh
Some methods I've considered:
1) Orbs: 49w1c miner, 50m mover, 50c mobile conta...
#3 is closest to what most people do based on what I've seen. #1 seems optimal if you can manage it, but definitely harder.
polar path
From what I've seen, most people (me in my V1 bot included) do something like a 23w23m4c miner, and then have the haulers idle next to them waiting to be filled. That has a couple of clear inefficiencies, though. Move parts on the miner can easily be eliminated since I already have good pulling, and idling haulers like that are basically acting as living containers with extra unneeded move parts. So #3 is basically that strat with those inefficiencies stripped out.
If I want faster mining, I could use multiple miners and/or give the miners harvest boosts, as well
sullen condor
How about swnding 49w1c + 50m + 50c so 50c creep act like a container and after that sending 25m25c haulers?
polar path
I considered that as well. But the issue I see with that is that the 50m creep is mostly wasted (only doing one one-way pull trip).
Then the next thing I considered was using two 25c25m haulers to pull the 49w1c + 50m combo. But then it would potentially break down if the deposit is slow enough that only one hauler is needed. Maybe that could work if I only consider deposits that need two or more haulers to service them as being worth mining.
On my V1 bot I think it often mines deposits with only one hauler, though.
Maybe using multiple miners or boosts could mitigate that limitation, though.
sullen condor
How about that 50m creep round trip to move other miners too
As long as there is open space
150 path length and 3 round trip is 900 ttl so not bad I guess
polar path
Fair enough. I suppose that afterwards, it could try to take pulling jobs that would otherwise be taken by regular haulers, also.
Maybe it could be renewed to have enough TTL to do another round of miners and then die shortly afterwards.
So the move parts for two rounds are paid for with, like, 1.5 rounds worth of energy/spawn time.
It also wouldn't be carrying anything on the return trips, though. 🤔
sullen condor
Haulers also carrying nothing when they move to pick something up
So I guess that's fair use rate of move parts
polar path
True. Which is why I like ideas that reuse those trips.
Like, if haulers use the trip out to pull or dedicated pullers use the trip back to pull filled creeps.
polar path
Some methods I've considered:
1) Orbs: 49w1c miner, 50m mover, 50c mobile conta...
I think my idea #3 from here has the best parts efficiency and lack of downsides. The main downside would just be the slower mining speed, but I think that's probably acceptable.
It would still be slightly more work parts per spot than standard strats. Just less than if I went all-out on big miners.
sullen condor
As cooldown goes high, maybe you can make them has more work parts than carry
polar path
Yeah, I could probably be somewhat dynamic with it. Like, for low cooldown I only do one miner with full carry parts, then as the cooldown goes up I do multiple miners (if there are spots) and fewer carry parts. Just enough carry to fill up during a hauler round-trip, probably.
sullen condor
That sounds good
cerulean wadi
Can you do a stacked pull? Have hauler a pull hauler b which pulls the work creep? Removes the need for a dedicated tow truck
I don't know if pull works like that
Probably should considering how many 0 move creeps I use
polar path
That does work, yes
polar path
I'm getting global resets on every tick @scarlet fossil
torpid ledge
hey was my code paused?
polar path
May be a server issue