Screeps Sandbox

[rotund olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZBR_Nwn2S4 just pretend that says Traxus

[scarlet fossil]

Funnily, it means you could give yourself 500 CPU and still have the rest of the players go through the GCL-to-CPU ruleset by setting your active to anything else than 0 or 10000

[rotund olive]

very silly

very very silly

is this a mod or a server thing?

oh, sounds like admin utils

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah, that's part of adminutils, but it checks for that specific 10000 value the game set by default when updating the CPU calc (what caused sleep's CPU to reset, since that happens every 10 ticks)

[rotund olive]

understood

[scarlet fossil]

Lots of weird things I haven't tried, like what happens if you block out a room you're running in (like o4 does when there's a player under investigation)

[bitter lava]

set it to -1

[scarlet fossil]

Wouldn't work either

[placid idol]

Time for someone to add utils.banUser() to admin-utils

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah, was thinking about that lol

[placid idol]

Then we can make it an instant process that deletes all their objects, memory, disables user account, etc. Yeet

[latent forum]

utils.yeet()

[scarlet fossil]

/**
 * utils.yeetUser() - Ban/disable/perform unholy acts on a misbehaving user account
 …
 *   nukePiñata: set to true to spawn a nuke that will land instantly on all their structures.
 *     Pass a number to have them land in this many ticks.
 */

[placid idol]

In the meantime, this seems to stop the server from executing the user's code: @rotund olive
storage.db.users.update({ username: 'USERNAME' },{ $set: { active: 0 } })

(the normal value is active: 10000)

[rotund olive]

I'm aware, thanks

[placid idol]

My bad, I should read

[heady oracle]

🍿

[sullen condor]

Are they doing well? I hope so

[oak elk]

well this is kinda scary👀

[bitter lava]

you shoulda seen my quad hit 1 of your rooms and popped a safemode

[heady oracle]

im aware

i mean, a quad vs an rcl 4 room what did you expect

[pallid totem]

I decided to join 😉

(That was fully automatic BTW)

Now all we need is someone to take E5N3 and we have a nice square

IIRC this is HK's original room, so its going to be hard to move in here lol

[cold zephyr]

Well my autoexpand does not factor in other players😅

[pallid totem]

Same here lol

[cold zephyr]

next expansion will also be close to HKquiet. lets see if my defencecode gets tested sometime soon

[oak elk]

well im kinda peaceful so i guess you wont get your defensecode tested lol
unless there's some pathfinding bugs in my squad's code💀

[heady oracle]

rip trump

[scarlet fossil]

Didn't even build a wall shakes head

[rotund olive]

Historically accurate :p

[bitter lava]

tried to send a quad there. failed 😦

[oak elk]

ah finally decided to implement safe ramparts and some tower placement
i didn't want to use my time on it before
but now i do so
because of fear💀

[heady oracle]

oops *was at 40ms

[kind trench]

must say i like the progress of my refactor

[verbal moth]

damn, i'm really missing having a working grafana instance

i take it within that creep logic most is intent cost?

[kind trench]

should be

also @rotund olive @radiant lily looks like server got hiccup just steam doing update

trafficManager + logic is ~6.5 + 6.3, intents are ~11.4cpu

[sullen condor]

@wild delta It seems that we're getting remote conflict!

[wild delta]

Weird, because my code for this server is a single file of 3.5k JS I wrote a couple of months ago. I think it'll just spawn up to 5 RA or M dudes lol

Yeah, you're causing Friendlies to spawn

Meanwhile you have an RCL3-tier quad 😂

My bot blindly reserves all its adjacent rooms, so it will fight for E2S14 forever Harabi

[sullen condor]

Yeah. It's cool since I want to improve my field combat

[sullen condor]

Not quad. Just some creeps that work together. I worked hard on them last week. And it seems working quite well

[wild delta]

Creeps that work together in a 2x2 square? 😉

[bitter lava]

frend?

[cold zephyr]

Sounds like you want me to improve my combat code😇

getting quite cozy here

[sullen condor]

I want to join you

Does this server generally use less cpu then mmo?

[kind trench]

should not

[rotund olive]

it is unknown

[scarlet fossil]

I'd say less. Pretty sure MMO runs on a whole cluster of machines. This is only one, for like… 10 of us on an 8x8 map

[kind trench]

that's not the question here

it's more about computing power

if 1cpu on commieland server is more or less than 1cpu on mmo

[scarlet fossil]

Still less. It's one machine vs. a (admittedly unknown) bunch of them

[kind trench]

that's not how it works

[pallid totem]

Are you finding higher or lower CPU than mmo

Bc my bot is running out of CPU lol

[sullen condor]

Cannot compare with mmo since I'm running different bots. But cpu usage is strangely low. I expect my bot to use about 0.3 for each creep. But not it's about 0.2~0.25 for each creep. Curious if server is faster, or some of my creeps are doing nothing

[oak elk]

huh i didnt launch an attack on you
btw have a look at http://localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/E3N5?t=962371
seems like your roomAttacker has attracted by those creeps on edge
causing your creep stuck into a loop (although the attack was successed eventually XoX

i guess you might want this replay if you want to improve your combat code?

[oak elk]

nah dont join plz lol im gonna die instantly under attack of you guys☠️

[cold zephyr]

Hmm I did not do anything manual there...Thx for the link. Need to look at it after work. But i dont think an automatic roomattack should have triggert already.. is my adjacent room already rcl6? If not then there is a Bug with my attackrange. Should only be range 2 of rcl 6 rooms.

[oak elk]

well from my observation, those roomAttacker was sent from this room
and attacked two rooms that i don't think it's range 2 on map..?

[pallid totem]

Good to know im in range

[cold zephyr]

Once you are rcl 5 you are safe.

[pallid totem]

I moved

CPU usage is too high on this server

I cant handle 4 developing rooms

[bitter lava]

unfortunate

i have this much territory and average around 80-90 CPU

[sullen condor]

5 rooms, with much remotes. That's not bad. Is it your bot?

[bitter lava]

yeah, i added a couple CPU saving features, and made rooms have a couple extra remotes, but it still runs out of CPU sometimes

[wild delta]

How many creeps?

[bitter lava]

idk doing screeps arena rn

will check later

maybe 90-100 at best?

[wild delta]

how much of your CPU is intents vs other things?

GL in arena

[scarlet fossil]

Am I the only one bothered by the market being 💩?

[wild delta]

You use the market?

[scarlet fossil]

A little bit. I had it forcibly disabled, but then reenabled it because I don't have an energy sink otherwise

But I don't see the point of having… that enabled. You have the NPC terminals completely distorting whatever sort of market forces you could have

To be fair I think it's only @normal tendon, @haughty cloak and me doing market stuff. Haven't seen much of anyone else, but most of what's available is being traded, for some reason or another

[wild delta]

Yeah, for sure it's a small market. 🙇

[scarlet fossil]

I think I just don't like the static market mod. It's just… not interesting as a market

[sullen condor]

Somehow my v3 is much better than v2 bot cpuwise

[wild delta]

0.27 CPU/creep...

🤯 🤯 🤯

[sullen condor]

This is v2 in MMO

Maybe because it's not doing Power bank mining, Deposit mining, Harassing.

But fighting around some remotes and doing some mineral minings from SK/center rooms

[polar path]

It might not be apples-to-apples on different server environments.

[sullen condor]

Yeah. I guess jaysee is faster than MMO

[wild delta]

Oh, right! There are some good numbers about CPU having a 1.3x multiplier on MMO... would need some digging to find that...

[bitter lava]

actually can't rn 😦 mass error ruined all my colonies

[kind trench]

so you say an optimized state was reached

[wild delta]

He's talking about e=mc2, too much energy was converted into mass and now thing's aren't working quite right

[bitter lava]

no, error with outpost memory. randomly removed from one of the rooms, so the entire bot broke

i fixed it now, i'll give it a day and then count creep count

[wild delta]

Creep count should be fine after 1,500 ticks ish ?

[kind trench]

error = multiple creeps ^ 2 ? ?

[bitter lava]

no, pioneers are spawned because of the eco situation, so it will take longer for regular creeps to be spawned

[bitter lava]

5 CPU

[haughty cloak]

The Jaysee market is weird. Most stuff has NPC orders, except energy does not. And not many players placing them either. My bot handles MMO market, and disabled market, but not very well this partial market. Currently sinking energy by building ramparts with towers, but will need to add a backup to the backup in the form of spawning large claim creeps to go off and suicide or something

[latent forum]

could just send() the excess as a gift to a random lucky person with a terminal 😉

[bitter lava]

people are using the jaysee market?

[rotund olive]

Hmm maybe if I add some terminals it will work better

[bitter lava]

i wish someone put buying orders up

[bitter lava]

[cold zephyr]

I think I found the Bug. Now it should only antagonize players that are too close (Linear Distance of 2). Even if i faceclaimed them😅

[bitter lava]

103

living on 80 CPU

[pallid totem]

I have 221 creeps and I was using 90 CPU constantly

My remote intents are expensive, and my hauler count needs a bit of balancing

[bitter lava]

base management etc uses more CPU

@pallid totem do you want me to test your defense

[pallid totem]

What RCL is it at

[bitter lava]

i got new quad code to test

[bitter lava]

8, 6, 6, 5, 4

[pallid totem]

I respawned

[bitter lava]

ik

i think i can reach you though

[pallid totem]

I have only one room?

[bitter lava]

oh

[pallid totem]

I mean, my room

What RCL is my room

[bitter lava]

4

vs an RCL 8 quad

[pallid totem]

Oof, not good

It should be at least 6

That's brutal, how much energy is in storage?

[bitter lava]

i cant handle twice the amount of towers

[pallid totem]

I'm waiting

Lol

[bitter lava]

i had to edit the message

anyways i think your room could survive

you do have auto safe mode, right?

[pallid totem]

Not yet

Was gonna write that in with the new BP

[bitter lava]

oh

[pallid totem]

How much energy is in my rooms storage?

[bitter lava]

do you want a quad in your room?

lemme check

234K

@pallid totem you are dealing with a quad that has Heal 624/T Ranged attack 420/T

[pallid totem]

No

No

Ni

[pallid totem]

Ant it's not RCL 6

Tf

Oh, my bots having issues with upgrader spawniong again

[bitter lava]

i think you won

yeah they dead

thanks for wasting 24K of my energy

that doesn't seem right

screeps body calculator is wrong

[polar path]

He told you no, lol

[bitter lava]

lol

you summoned the invader base

[pallid totem]

Oh, the invader killed them

[bitter lava]

yeah

please delay upgrading until the invader core disappears

4895 ticks of delay

[polar path]

lmao

[bitter lava]

if someone expanded around this area then i could test a quad on them

close enough

[pallid totem]

Im fixing the bug now lol

[bitter lava]

thanks for that

if you want, i will give you a const

[polar path]

You could test a quad on my room if it's in range, it served its purpose. Won't be much of a test either, though. :P

[bitter lava]

const controllerDelay = 4895

[bitter lava]

its RCL 7 though

3 towers 😦

[polar path]

It has really dumb towers and you're RCL8, you should definitely be able to kill it. Also there's no ramparts even. XD

[pallid totem]

unboosted

[polar path]

Just boost then 4head

[bitter lava]

no market...

and no boosting logic

actually there is some

[pallid totem]

Dude cant even make boosts with an OS bot 😆

[bitter lava]

no as in the actual quad getting the boost

and mineral haulers are being dumb so no minerals

[pallid totem]

Is boosting not a simple funciton call?

You have dedicated mineral haulers?

[bitter lava]

idk

code is weird

[bitter lava]

yeah

[pallid totem]

You dont have normal haulers do it?

[bitter lava]

no?

every bot has dedicated mineral haulers?

[pallid totem]

No

I have seen like, 3 bots with mineral haulers

Most people just have it built into their hauler network by default

[bitter lava]

4 now

[polar path]

Not every bot, lol.

[bitter lava]

oh

do you?

[polar path]

No

Well, in Ourobot V1 SK minerals have dedicated haulers. Not in-room minerals, though. And in Ourobot V2, SK minerals will be mission haulers, not specifically SK mineral haulers.

[bitter lava]

oh poaching rooms

kasamibot handles poaching rooms (SK mineral rooms) by making dedicated units for it

miners, haulers and guards (obviously)

[pallid totem]

I just plan to make my miners and haulers check if its in a SK room, then add some logic, but otherwise it should be easy to do

I might do SK mining soon

[bitter lava]

do it

worth every mineral

[polar path]

SK mining is on my list to prepare for the season.

[pallid totem]

My list currently is:

- Improved spawning (tweaks)
- Improved upgrading (more tweaks, oh boy)
- Base planning (Kill me)
- Few other things

Speaking of, I just love bugs

Found a bug where my hauler priority was insane, because I was checking the count of the wrong role lol

[bitter lava]

my list is: -dynamic remote stuff (not doing)

• Improved upgrading (also me)
• field combat (quading updates aswell)
• better expansion code

[polar path]

Mine is currently:

[bitter lava]

lucky

get to do defense stuff

[pallid totem]

Damn, I forgot about terminals

[bitter lava]

thank kasami that terminal things exist

[pallid totem]

hey @polar path Want to team up this season?

[bitter lava]

+distribution with terminals

[bitter lava]

can i join in

[heady oracle]

lol, infinity moved right on in with me

[polar path]

Generally it's frowned upon to have pre-formed alliances in seasons. Alliances that advantage both parties within the season are fair game, though.

[heady oracle]

im certain no-one would bat an eye at a truce though

[bitter lava]

well if us 3 team up, we could do what (i think last season) viking and tigga shared resources 1:1 by opening ramparts

[pallid totem]

(kalgen and tigga)

[bitter lava]

oh

i thought viking did it aswell

[polar path]

v1king wasn't in last season. Maybe in Season 5 there was something like that.

[bitter lava]

5 i think

[normal tendon]

my bot sells excess minerals to the npc market, and struggled initially with this market since there was little volume. i had to hard code some of the prices. i have effectively been able to turn 1 mineral into 5 units of energy through my trading with Kalgen. your bot really doesn't want to sell mine energy at .001 haha

[sullen condor]

@scarlet fossil would you mind if I use your bot in sandbox as quad test opponent?

[scarlet fossil]

Sure, though I'd have to be looking over its shoulder a bit

It's possible that it will just fall over and let itself be destroyed if it looks too powerful

Would give me an incentive to poke at the combat/defense code

[sullen condor]

I don't want to destroy. I'll stop the fight when it happenss
I think I will be able to spawn some quads this weekend, or sooner

[sullen condor]

Great. Any attack will be welcome. Just let me know when it happens

I'll notice you when I start some attack.

[scarlet fossil]

Sounds good

I'm hyped, actually. I have a lot of little issues that's gonna cause I'm going to have to fix

[sullen condor]

Cool. Let's be stronger^^

[heady oracle]

huh, now im wondering if my defence code is even awake

[pallid totem]

It eepy

[sullen condor]

Are you close to me? I'm willing to help you

[heady oracle]

we are at opposite ends of the map

[heady oracle]

whats going on over here

[scarlet fossil]

@rotund olive Almost RCL3 🎉. Almost

That poor bot is so painful to watch 😅

[rotund olive]

up and harv, slaving away in the mines

every time they die they get brought back to life

[bitter lava]

its a new quad target practice underway

[scarlet fossil]

good for them, seeing how much of a lazy ass up is smh

I'm getting harassed, and oddly enough that made it pop a safemode. I really need to have a look at defense code

Just reworked a bit of the harassing code, but I'm not sure it's gonna run anything close to satisfying

[sullen condor]

Harass me plz

[bitter lava]

@scarlet fossil managed to pop one of your safemodes with a harassar

[sullen condor]

@scarlet fossil Sending first quad... I'm almost certain it will be broken

http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/room/shard0/W8S9

[sullen condor]

Insta-killed lol

healing logic was too bad

[placid idol]

I finally got around to implementing energy relaying

I haven't changed my hauler bodies or anything to optimize it yet but I at least have the feature working

[sullen condor]

Cool

Everyone has relaying but me!!

[placid idol]

I had a bit of an ah-ha moment yesterday thinking about it

[sullen condor]

Can you share it

[placid idol]

Yeah, the idea I had was to use floodfill algo and create a map of the room with the Storage (or whatever the hauler target is) as the starting point. And then every position in the room is marked on a CM is a distance to that position

Remote rooms create a similar map, but they use the travel path intersecting an exit back home as the starting point for the floodfill

Same exact floodfill that I use for base planning. I guess it has more applications than I had considered

Another idea was to sort haulers before running them, so that all of the haulers with energy in Delivering state will run first. By having all the other haulers that are in PickupEnergy state run secondly, it makes sure they move correctly in opposing directions after doing a relay handoff

[kind trench]

my cr should be fixed @placid idol

[placid idol]

I should also mention that my haulers don't use the same cache paths as remote roads. I want to add that eventually but right now haulers do their own pathfinding and then cache their own path. However, if the haulers follow the cached road paths back and forth, the relaying system could probably use path positions instead of the floodfill. Either way I'm happy to have something working for now

[polar path]

That sounds very different from my implementation. I do it as a step in my movement code, effectively.

Basically, if empty and full haulers would collide during movement - relay instead.

[placid idol]

That sounds nice and minimal. I had tried some simpler implementations previously but always hit snags with haulers stuck dancing and passing the energy back and forth like a sad game of hot potato

Its one of those things that if done incorrectly it's just better to not do it at all 🙈

[polar path]

Yeah, you gotta track a decent number of things (and accurately) to make sure they don't try to do invalid things.

Like, if a hauler already did an transfer intent or it just got the energy this tick or the receiving one just got emptied this tick, you don't want them to try relaying.

My implementation does miss some potential relaying opportunities, but it gets most of them and I think the CPU cost is quite minimal.

Of course, the CPU cost of scaling down haulers for it is high, but that can be controlled based on CPU so they're scaled back up if CPU is short.

[placid idol]

That's the part I want to add next. Spawning more small haulers based on available CPU

[polar path]

One thing to keep in mind when doing that is that you also need them to be big enough that your throughput is okay.

If they're too small you just get a traffic jam

[scarlet fossil]

W8S8, right?

I have the evacuation directive dropped lol

…which somehow didn't exactly result in emptying the stuff :/

[sullen condor]

Why ramparts so low?

[scarlet fossil]

Oh, this is you. Yeah, I noticed but didn't see it happen, was in the process of making harass-mode actually work. It's been active since yesterday, but unless you tell me you saw one, I'm pretty sure it's not working properly

[scarlet fossil]

…good question, tbh, let me have a look

Ah, right, I made power-processing priority on MMO, and that's not exactly right here

[sullen condor]

So can you build up some ramparts?

[sullen condor]

Cool. So it's similar with flow field I guess

[bitter lava]

oh, i think i may have seen two actually

saw 2 blinkies travel across the highway in my direction. probably went into my RCL 8 room. likely insta-killed though

[scarlet fossil]

Quick, spot the bug ```ts
Object.defineProperty(Room.prototype, "barriers", {
get(this: Room) {
if (!this._barriers) {
const barriers = [] as (StructureRampart | StructureWall)[];
barriers.concat(this.ramparts, this.constructedWalls);
this._barriers = barriers;
}
return this._barriers;
},
configurable: true,
});

I can't believe I messed that up

Suddenly, 8 workers requested

I guess that's a nice way to sink excess energy

[kind trench]

aw ffs i need to tweak my upgrade logic still

[heady oracle]

i just took some fork of traveler and proceeded to gradually butcher it ever since (all i know is that it has gained 300 loc, half is probably commented out logging/visual functions)

on a side note, worker convoy op

[bitter lava]

how much CPU do those visuals cost

[kind trench]

virtually nothing

because same data is used by logic on-tick and just stored in heap

the paths sometimes get pricy for remotes, but that's other debug level

[scarlet fossil]

Okay, ramparts are building up, so taking out one of my room shouldn't be so simple anymore. I hope it'll have time to grow a bit more, the cap at RCL8 is 21M

[bitter lava]

@scarlet fossil your harassars are working

you got one of my RCL 6 rooms to spawn 3 rampart defenders and with a couple more of them destroyed the room 😛

but now my destruction manager is gonna catch onto you

[scarlet fossil]

I destroyed a room?

[bitter lava]

no

i said with around 3-4 you may have

[scarlet fossil]

Oh, I got a bit scared there. The plan was only to check what the heck is OM's harrasing code about, since that's pretty much manual. And… I'm sort-of reacting to your own creeps popping up my own miners

[bitter lava]

i dont think so

harass manager sent harassars to your remotes

because of the threat you had acquired

[scarlet fossil]

Did I? Weird, 'cause nothing in OM is overtly hostile, it's all pretty much manual still

[bitter lava]

idk

maybe a scout or such gained enough threat for harassers to come to you

then your harasser response allowed more harassers to come to you

[scarlet fossil]

Good ol' escalation, I guess

[bitter lava]

it also seems scouts are surveying your rooms/remotes alot more than usual rooms

likely because of destruction manager/harass manager

[scarlet fossil]

I don't even have threat management, nor even any sort of "where do I go to find $player" system

[bitter lava]

oh lol

[scarlet fossil]

Look at me, doing damage lol

[bitter lava]

random harasser ruined my remotes

woah

loads of harassars are coming into my remotes

[scarlet fossil]

Tbh I don't even know what the low-level harassing code does. I only fixed the remote-detection system to properly detect your rooms as remotes

[scarlet fossil]

So it might be spawning a lot? I haven't poked at that code yet

[bitter lava]

oh, sometimes they come and attack my rooms

[bitter lava]

it is, definetly

every remote you harass adds quite alot to the player threat

[scarlet fossil]

Oh, hey, there's one currently in. First time I see one actually come to the selected room

[bitter lava]

the one in W2N3 soon to be W3N3?

[scarlet fossil]

It's targeting W4N1

[bitter lava]

oh

[scarlet fossil]

So most likely doing rounds. I have no idea what makes it switch targets, but that feels… broken

Since a lot of the time, the creep doesn't even get close to the target before it switches

[bitter lava]

just remember, the destruction manager will catch onto your shenanigans eventually

[scarlet fossil]

Again, only fixed the code to not be a CPU hog, to use observers to gather intel and use the fact that there's a WORK-bearing creep next to sources instead of room reservation, which most of your remotes didn't seem to have when I worked on that

[bitter lava]

?

they all get reservers

[scarlet fossil]

Switched again, W2N3 :/

[bitter lava]

weird

[scarlet fossil]

I might be misremembering. I just wanted a bit more than "is it reserved" as a check, and checking for miners sounded like good enough

AFAIK the only issue it has right now is that knowing which remote belongs to which room is… pretty messy, so I'm just doing a depth-3 room exit search and tickClock ing until I looked at all candidates

And ded. I got caught up by your defense force

[bitter lava]

yeah, they will respond quite quick

if you had a larger force it would take around 100-200 ticks more to get the other 2 defenders to attack you

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah, I was wondering how you did that. Do you have a few of them handy and make them patrol or something else?

Just wondering. OM's code pretty much very reactive only, the "idle creep" system is pretty much broken, so generally any sort of hostility will result in a whole spawn cycle delay, hoping there's not something more important to spawn first (though I think defense is pretty high)

[bitter lava]

oh ok

i can tell

i dont think this was the case, but an outpost defender may have been spawned to an invader in another remote, then the code got that defender to attack yours once it finished with the invader

[scarlet fossil]

Possible? I honestly missed the issue, I just came back to two outpost defense directives being active, with one currently tracking an hostile, which was a single creep of yours

[bitter lava]

but anyways with large remote harassing/unknown attack force in the remote, the code will get the intensity of the attack, and respond as follows

[bitter lava]

are you talking about your harasser or my harasser? because i dont think you had any active defenders.

[scarlet fossil]

No, IIRC your creep just died of old age after bashing one miner

[bitter lava]

oh

lol

[scarlet fossil]

I should have noted the tick, I'd have no luck trying to find it back into the history :/

But yeah, improving OM's combat tracking has been something I wanted to look at. Heck, even combat ability itself. I taught it a few tricks already, trying to estimate the strenght required to take out a stronghold, but that's the most I did with it

[bitter lava]

what attacking force do you have?

[scarlet fossil]

I'm more economy-oriented in general, and there's been a lot to fix in that domain already 😅

[bitter lava]

or is it just harassers?

[scarlet fossil]

Depends on what I ask it to do. Harassing just spawns a couple ranged/melee in a trickle

[bitter lava]

you manually send them?

[scarlet fossil]

No, I drop a colored flag, since there's nothing to automate that in OM, being an OS bot

I mean, maybe Muon had code like that, but I'm tempted to say no

[bitter lava]

oh

i though OM used flags for nearly everything?

[scarlet fossil]

It does

[bitter lava]

then how come its manual?

[scarlet fossil]

But in a lot of cases it automatically drops the correct flag itself and let its processing handle the low-level details

[bitter lava]

oh

[scarlet fossil]

But there's nothing about being hostile

So I could send quads over to you, but that would have either be me manually dropping the flag, or having dropped so much more code to have it automatically do it

[bitter lava]

😲

escalation then

[scarlet fossil]

Because again, my intel's not great, I have no idea how hostile you'd be relative to anyone else. OM pretty much sees anything that's not an ally as a menace

[bitter lava]

i will nuke you + send quads + call all attack creeps to a room

[scarlet fossil]

Woopsie~

[bitter lava]

can i see one of your quads though?

at W4S4?

[scarlet fossil]

I removed the harass directive, not sure I wanna get into a all out-war with you, I feel like it's not gonna go well for me

Sure, if you want, let me find the correct flag color

[bitter lava]

yeah, lets not war 🙂

[scarlet fossil]

Then we'll bask into the glory of OM's combat code

[bitter lava]

unless though...

[bitter lava]

i didn't know it had quads though

is that obfuscated code? (as in it was obfuscated with the full OS version)

[scarlet fossil]

Nope, but it's not the simplest thing

Check Swarm.ts in the repo, if you wanna see the low-level the managment code

[bitter lava]

ok

i dont read ts very well 😦

[scarlet fossil]

Ah, what's obfuscated is the Overmind.ts/Assimilation.ts — the high-level processing, ie, what defines the run phases, intel managment to enforce the detectability as an Overmind, and the assimilation (which is pretty much dead code at that point)

[bitter lava]

oh ok

[bitter lava]

is it this?

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah, that's the one I just dropped

[bitter lava]

oh

what room is gonna spawn them?

[scarlet fossil]

Might not stay for long, since W3S4 is not a controller room

All of them?

[bitter lava]

yeah

[scarlet fossil]

The combat-related directives pick out any (compatible) colony in range to ask for creeps

[bitter lava]

oh

does it send broodlings?

i saw them being spawned in a room

[scarlet fossil]

Oh, it's gonna work, the SKs will keep the directive actine until they're gone

[bitter lava]

cool

hope thats not placed on me then

[scarlet fossil]

zerglings and… healers. Transfusers

[bitter lava]

oh

[scarlet fossil]

Broodlings are the outpost defense creeps. Like, actual "this is a player" defense. Otherwise it's just zerglings

You have… lurkers for bunker defense

Never saw those spawn, tbf

[bitter lava]

??

the overmind NPC we are fighting doesn't spawn lurkers

or did you make them

[scarlet fossil]

I mean, the role is there, but I don't think it's wired in a way that's useful

Anything combat-related is generally a mine-field of TODOs, broken, or unoptimized code

[bitter lava]

is it a melee or ranged attack creep?

ah

W3S2 is making the quad creeps

[scarlet fossil]

maxParts: { work: 30, tough: 10, ranged_attack: 10, heal: 2 },

Maybe that's not lurkers, actually

[bitter lava]

thats werid

[scarlet fossil]

Lurkers might be the dismantlers

[bitter lava]

repairer/defender

[bitter lava]

makes more sense

[scarlet fossil]

Ravagers maxParts: { attack: 50, tough: 10, heal: 2 },

[bitter lava]

move though?

[bitter lava]

that makes more sense

[scarlet fossil]

It's just autogenerated

[bitter lava]

oh

[scarlet fossil]

The creep setup system will just adapt the move parts to a set move speed you want

[bitter lava]

set move speed?

interesting

[scarlet fossil]

Here's the blueprint: https://github.com/tiennou/Overmind/blob/master/src/creepSetups/CombatCreepSetup.ts#L971

[bitter lava]

ok

simple enough

quad is going

how come they don't snek?

[scarlet fossil]

OM things

[bitter lava]

oh

[scarlet fossil]

The fallback point was in the colony room. They assembled there, and once assembled pretty much stay that way

[bitter lava]

i might send a quad to W4S4 myself

[bitter lava]

oh

[scarlet fossil]

…which means they're mostly gonna stay stuck in that swamp lol

Ah, OM~

[bitter lava]

so they don't go to the target room?

useless

[scarlet fossil]

They're trying, but now that they're pathing as a 2x2, well… they fat

[bitter lava]

what if its not wide enough for them to go through?

[scarlet fossil]

manually tasked the leader to go to W4S3

[bitter lava]

oh

[scarlet fossil]

I guess that goes into the TODO list 😅

That path should have been pathable, too

They dancing, it's so pretty

Entering W4S4

Lol, they're obeying the SK area

Sighs it never ends

[bitter lava]

shifting?

[scarlet fossil]

I don't know, they did a weird shuffle to reassemble

They're still doing one right now, but different

Okay, found the SK toggle. And now they're stuck healing…

Frustration increases

[bitter lava]

my quad will come hopefully

although they might target your quad.

my quad have no mercy

so they can attack allies aswell

will your quad move at all?

[scarlet fossil]

It's just gonna die out

I have no idea why it's just… stuck. Problem in the pathing code somewhere :/

It's going "oh hey, I should approach that target, let's do nothing"

[scarlet fossil]

New quad coming, set to assemble at the bottom of W4S3

So yeah, you're not exactly in danger 😅

Still need to add more debug statements to understand the lack of moving around

I love Muon's commit messages. big commit with lots of changes and a descriptive message

Yeah, no

[scarlet fossil]

Whoops, it passed through W3S2, with the expected results. Sorry about that 😅

[polar path]

I usually use shorter messages than that in those cases. Although not necessarily more descriptive. XD

[sullen condor]

@scarlet fossil W7S11 spawning quad for W8S8

It must be better than before!

Launched!

[scarlet fossil]

Yep, it's coming~

[sullen condor]

It has very basic logic

Just spam RMA, never use RA

[scarlet fossil]

too much firepower needed to fight: {"attackCount":1,"rangedCount":17,"healerCount":12}

😅

[sullen condor]

This test is for not dying

[scarlet fossil]

That was enough to make it nope out lol

[polar path]

"Guess I'll die" - Overmind

[sullen condor]

No defense?

[scarlet fossil]

Took it waaay to long to notice

It dropped the defense directive you were already banging on that wall

[sullen condor]

Mock attack!

In what criteria they shoot towers?

[scarlet fossil]

4 hostiles detected!
    Potential creep damage: 0
    Maximum tower damage: 3240
    Enemy healing power: 1200
    Targets: 

not the correct ones

[sullen condor]

With that result, they have to shoot, isn't it?

This is my estimate

[scarlet fossil]

My number feels way too low

[sullen condor]

How about change to melee defender

Oh, mock attack killed my creep

blocked by normal creep

[scarlet fossil]

I have no idea what happened there…

[sullen condor]

Yeah I have to improve retreat logic

[scarlet fossil]

4 hostiles detected!
    Potential creep damage: 950
    Maximum tower damage: 3240
    Enemy healing power: 1188
    Targets: [creep q_cup9k8ff],[creep q_cup9k8hz]

Something caused a drop in the "healing power", and it went "wait I take take that out" and 💥

[sullen condor]

When calculating retreat path, I should consider possible dangers

[scarlet fossil]

And yet two ticks later ```
3 hostiles detected!
Potential creep damage: 950
Maximum tower damage: 3060
Enemy healing power: 1280
Targets:

[sullen condor]

At this very moment, my quad should have retreated to the south, but it chose west

And this creep blocked the path, So heal potential got significantly low

[scarlet fossil]

Stalemate, I guess. There's no way I'll be able to over-damage you, and the silly defense fleet pushed you too far away for the towers to do anything

Ahah, silly miner getting in the way saved muh walls

[sullen condor]

No. That's not because your defense creeps. My quad knows where it cannot step

Red alarm emojis shows that

[scarlet fossil]

Ah, that's what those mean

You're still sucking that whole damage output, I'm impressed

[heady oracle]

hrmmm

[sullen condor]

At this moment, quad should have retreated to the straight south, while it chose bad red path

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah, it might have liked the nicely paved road

[sullen condor]

retreat pathing sucks now

[scarlet fossil]

I'm also pretty sure you could do a bunch of damage if you fired back?

[sullen condor]

I skipped lines of code v2 bot had while rewriting. It's the consequence

Again, I can see the bad pathing

retreat pathing to your defense creeps

This test was so valuable

[scarlet fossil]

17 defenders

Sheesh, that must have been a big hit

[sullen condor]

I know the cause now, I think I can fix it

Next time my quad will never die!

[scarlet fossil]

Most likely to happen, yeah

[sullen condor]

Last quad member

Doing its best

[scarlet fossil]

It's nice seeing all the silly things this code does

They're now all going to head to keep the controller warm, for some reason

[sullen condor]

Haha

I'll be back in... 10~11hours

[scarlet fossil]

Well, I'll have a hot controller waiting for ya then 😅

Not sure if I'm gonna be able to fix the defense that quickly…

TODO record baddies needs to be redone in a more systemic fashion. But here for the :popcorn:

Nice comment

discovers a bare-bones system to track creep expenditure

[sullen condor]

What I want to recommend

1. Use melee defenders unless you can spawn big boosted ranged defender
2. Use repairers
3. Need to calculate enemy healing better. Considering nearbys
4. There is my blog post about making melee defender😉

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah, the melee defenders are there, but locked by a condcheck for melee being present

[polar path]

That should be changed, because adjacent RMA does much more damage than pushed-back ranged creeps can do.

[sullen condor]

What I want to recommend for me

1. Consider enemy creeps and incoming damage while pathing retreat path
2. Implement smarter RA/RMA
3. Respect v2 bot code

[scarlet fossil]

I mean… // If serious bunker busting attempt, spawn lurkers

That's pretty much wrong, and I realized that watching the fight

Also, that comment is why I'm getting the lurker role wrong, I think

[sullen condor]

Now quad is working

Correctly, it seems

NOOO

Swamp lol

Ok, this is chanllenging and fun

[rotund olive]

#screepsplus message Please ping me immediately if this happens on SS

[sullen condor]

@scarlet fossil Test quad launched (again)

[scarlet fossil]

I hacked around the bunker defense, so a ravager is gonna pop out that middle spawn

[sullen condor]

Cool

Let's see! It's interesting

[scarlet fossil]

No idea wtf it's doing tho, it's idle most of the ticks

[polar path]

What's a ravager?

[sullen condor]

Super smart, huh?

[polar path]

In screeps, I mean. XD

[scarlet fossil]

But that was enough to convince the turret code that there was enough power to fire at you consistently

So… yay I guess?

[scarlet fossil]

The red one bottom of the bunker: http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/room/shard0/W8S8

[sullen condor]

Melee defender

[scarlet fossil]

It's OM's melee bunker defender

Not sure you'd get to see it normally, the activation condition for that was… weird…

[polar path]

Ravagers are ranged in starcraft though. XD

That's a lot of move on it

[sullen condor]

it knows it will die if it move close to ravager

[polar path]

Especially for a road-only creep

[scarlet fossil]

Found a few bugs in the combat code where there would be a few ATTACK_POWER multiples

[polar path]

That RMA only really hurts the quad when it's kited back like that

[sullen condor]

Yeah. I didn't implemented attack code. Just RMAing

If it can keep my quad one tile away, that's pretty enough defense

[scarlet fossil]

I need to look at what I could do to handle emergency repairs. Not sure anyone picked up on that rampart being eaten

[polar path]

I pushed my latest code to jayseegames as well so my room should be a bit less dead now. Still no remote defense yet though

[sullen condor]

It seems that my quad is pretty good at surviving now

[polar path]

soonTM

[scarlet fossil]

Mhm, it does seem so, yeah

[sullen condor]

I'll write a post about it

[scarlet fossil]

I think it's just a mismatch. IMO the comment named them lurkers, but then the actual role is ravager. And I feel like it should be the reverse…

And yeah, that's a chonky boi with a tad too much MOVE

[sullen condor]

Problem is it's using tons of CPU

[scarlet fossil]

You should see mine lol

I'm 4000 CPU down in the bucket

[polar path]

Lurker would make much more sense.

[sullen condor]

I'm under 2000 now

[polar path]

And a 2:1 ratio in favor of more attack than move.

[scarlet fossil]

Oh wow

Now you're hitting the hydralisks too

…what a bloodbath lol

[sullen condor]

The problem is

1. usually my bot cache path through your spawns/towers/etc, considering rampart hits
2. your bot making my quad run awway, So I can't use the cached result
3. pathing through ramparts eats tons of cpu

Maybe I should use something like flowField

[scarlet fossil]

So many small issues I see…

[sullen condor]

I think I can do that

[sullen condor]

So, it's pretty good test for both of us

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah, definitely ^^

[polar path]

I see big ones too.

[sullen condor]

I think I'm done with my logic. cpu efficiency should be improved though. Tell me anytime you want to test your defense

[scarlet fossil]

That was for that hydralisk kiting forward, getting bonked hard, and fleeing into a swamp, which it didn't have the move power to get out of

[polar path]

Like, the fact that hydralisks are used for that at all. It's a huge expense for not much effect

[sullen condor]

My quads are dying because of empty bucket

Bye bye

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah, I need better skirmish tracking for that, I think

[sullen condor]

I need better cpu efficiency

One quad used total bucket lol

[scarlet fossil]

I mean, I could switch those to something else… Not sure what else OM has in its setup toolkit

[polar path]

Probably polishing up those lurkers and making it use those plus repair would be a good step.

[scarlet fossil]

But honestly, the issue right now is the missing tracking. So apart from that one ravager that spawned late, it's gonna estimate the number of ranged defender on its own, not accounting for what the other overlords might also request. So I end up with like 15 hydralisks requested for 4 creeps

[polar path]

Ah, that's a big issue as well

[scarlet fossil]

I mean, what would be the true strat in that case? Just plop out a few melee, have them track closely, and tank the shots by repairing?

[sullen condor]

Yeah

[scarlet fossil]

I guess that makes sense. No need to have a flurry of things that would just get sniped and die, especially such a fleet of them

[polar path]

Melee + repair is generally the defense meta. It keeps the defense cost down.

[sullen condor]

Thanks to bunker (high tower damage) It will be enough to have 1~2 melee defender.

[scarlet fossil]

I'll switch to doing that then, see how it goes

[sullen condor]

Why not having both? I'm pretty certain most of quads would have been died for that defense

5~6 hydralisks would be enough

[polar path]

Praise the controller!

[sullen condor]

Try hydra first. If enemy is smart enough, go for lurker

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah, but I'd want to add some tracking of that sort of skirmish, like "at tick n, this and this and this creep showed up. I spawned that and that, and I'm holding off. At tick m, another batch showed up, and I can't sustain that, so I'm gonna ask for help around for a squad of 5 these"

That sort of thing

[polar path]

I would rather first assume the enemy is competent and defend accordingly, and only after that try lower percentage plays.

[scarlet fossil]

which I could also use to track the resource expenditure and just give up if it's hopeless

[scarlet fossil]

That's not wrong, tbh. But not having any idea of the resource sink, I don't like that

You should see the mess one stronghold can do to OM 😅. Took me a bit of work to wire up suspension so it would just stop ticking a room until the thing vanishes somehow

[polar path]

I have seen, that, actually.

[scarlet fossil]

📉

It's just brutal lol

[polar path]

Witnessed it in one of the OMs I fought on s0

[scarlet fossil]

Yep, back then it was obvious on my Grafana charts that it was happening

Now it's a bit less, the only issue that remains is the transporters not canceling tasks when that happens, so they bunch up at the exits and get sniped out

So loss of economy throughput until they die off and the suspension actually kicks in, and loss of resources because sometimes there's like 6 of them dancing around and getting killed

the issue being that the locations are filtered when they get picked, and once they're set it's a succeed or die situation

The retirement train has started

[polar path]

If you do overhaul overmind's defense it would be interesting to see what it looks like to have an overmind bunker be competently defended. XD

I think the base design has some inherent flaws either way, but it could certainly do much better if there was better defense code.

[bitter lava]

idk what happened

but it doesn't look good

[sullen condor]

@scarlet fossil Improved cpu efficiency. Spawned a quad to test!

[sullen condor]

Optimization worked pretty well. Now it's using around 2 CPU(not retreating) and around 5~8 CPU (while retreating)

[scarlet fossil]

Ah, I missed it 😭. I was still in the process of trying to switch defense style, but I need a bit more time

[sullen condor]

There is history!

Tell me when you need me

[heady oracle]

.>

[bitter lava]

ohno

@rotund olive second NCP invasion

[polar path]

He even has a villain name to match. :P

[bitter lava]

man this happened on newbie land aswell

[sullen condor]

http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W8S8?t=1249763

1. It seems that your bot do not spawn defenders until ramparts get damaged? Which I don't think optimal
2. There are some traffic issues about your defenders. (haulers block defenders, melee defenders get blocked by ranged ones)
3. Ranged defenders get out of ramparts when it cannot kill enemy
4. No repairers
   These are what I saw

[heady oracle]

hrmm, almost 300 creeps on 85 cpu

[pallid totem]

I hate that your giving performance reviews from a new bot

That really is scary

[sullen condor]

Why scary? It's a rewrite, not from scratch!

Much easier than first time. It took several months for me, writing code about quads

[rotund olive]

ussually rewrite is used to mean from scratch

it's hard to tell how much you transfered over, or if you're just refactoring?

[sullen condor]

You have experience, all the ideas

[rotund olive]

yeah, divine beings tend to have that

[pallid totem]

You are NOTTT a devine being

[rotund olive]

only satanic beings think I'm not a divine being

scurry back to hell silly demon

[sullen condor]

1. I used leader based system, now I don't. It made my quad to move much smoother
2. Using new pathFinding system to find bulldozing path(Not using PathFinder.search inside of enemy room)
3. Using another new pathFinding system to find retreating path
4. healing logic is almost the same

[rotund olive]

so like, did you create a new folder and such for your "rewrite"? or did you change stuff in the existing bot's folder

[sullen condor]

Is it rewrite or refactoring? I don't know. It's middle of them

No. Whole new folder

Logic is similar, code is much different since I don't use prototyping anymore

V2 bot was all about prototyping

Cannot copy-paste since structure has been changed so much

But it's possible to copy-paste the idea, not actual code

[rotund olive]

gotcha

[sullen condor]

It seems that server is hiccuping?

[rotund olive]

uh oh

someone scare it, quickly

[heady oracle]

my bot is bleeding bucket now

[scarlet fossil]

Oh, nice, thanks! Sorry, didn't get to look at that earlier.

1. I'd have to have a closer look, but it's likely the delay between entering the room, detecting an attack and dropping the defense directive (which sadly can't be seen on the replay). I didn't look at that part at all, but yeah, it feels a bit slow… On the other hand, if I make it faster, then it's gonna make a mess of potentially useless creeps if it's just a bait 🤔
2. yeah, traffic can be wonky in OM. Not sure how easily I can fix that though. Those poor workers are getting scared of the quad even though they're safe under ramparts :/
3. actually, I still haven't pushed the code with the changes I was working on: trying to have 4 melee hugging the rampart and tracking, and only add ranged on some condition I haven't thought about yet. Right now it's mostly if it's a lot of damage, also add those to the pile.
4. yep, haven't had the time to look at that. I think I'd want to reuse the workers for that, but (as per point 2), they're just freaking out, and as soon as the room's defcon level raises, anything civilian is stopped so spawning focuses on defending quickly. Again, more thought (and code-writing) required.

I didn't actually expect it to hold up that well though (for some definition of "well" where I have infinite resources, 'cause the creep count is definitely impressive). But I'll need to make changes to have a better system, since right now, I'm planning 4 melee creeps + a bunch of ranged defender, and I have no place to track the complete defense force (only the ranged defender overlord does that)

Maybe beefier melee creeps as well, those are just not boosted because the blueprint is static, and there's nothing to make it dynamic yet

[sullen condor]

Yeah. It will be good for you if you can calculate how much defender you need to actually block enemy from come close

[scarlet fossil]

RMA is range 2, right?

[heady oracle]

RMA has a range of 3 doing 10/4/1 damage

[scarlet fossil]

Range 1 is actually sort-of working, I think, if the single melee creep I had is close, your quad was staying out of that

[sullen condor]

Yeah. Keeping them at range 2 is enough most of the times

[scarlet fossil]

I love the damage stalemate at 1250338

[sullen condor]

Make them stay away + repairers

[scarlet fossil]

No movement, just shots flying

But yeah, the pathing is definitely… something else

I have no idea what the melee creep is thinking during that

That one is rampart-locked (to the point I'm positive I'd have a problem with the pre-bunker defenses). Not the ranged ones. I need more data lol

[sullen condor]

I'd willing to do more tests. So ping me freely

I'm pretty happy with current movement & healing logic

OM's defense is not effective(use too much resource), but certainly hard to attack against(because it uses much resource!)

[rotund olive]

@scarlet fossil can you consider changing your sign on Screeps Sandbox to explain that you are a heavily modified Overmind?

[rotund olive]

there is an unmodified Overmind that spawned into the server a bit ago. Do you want to use it as target practice? Otherwise I will remove it

Voldemort

er wait, he who shall not be named

[sullen condor]

Nah. I can test with Traxus

[rotund olive]

voldemort is no more

the death eaters just got eaten or whatever

[latent forum]

nom nom

[heady oracle]

uh oh

[sullen condor]

rich

[heady oracle]

ah, the terminal got stuck trying to transfer 0.9178 units of a resource

[scarlet fossil]

Will do, yeah. That sounds like a good idea given the circumstances

[bitter lava]

wait is it possible for me to bully voldemort?

i added a costmatrix to my quad, need to test

[rotund olive]

No they are banned

[heady oracle]

can you give the bot like 30 cpu and move them closer to me?

i want a pet OM to punch

ah yes, i love it

oh for fuck sakes

op expansion

[bitter lava]

quad time

[heady oracle]

that is adjacent to an rcl8

[bitter lava]

https://tenor.com/view/ballin-emoji-zoinks-bulging-eyes-what-the-hell-gif-15280678632019391692

2 quads then

[heady oracle]

i will write quad+boosting code, i havent yet because lazyness but i will

[bitter lava]

want help?

[heady oracle]

honestly, its more of a case of i dont want to write an entire module to support it
especially when i have somehow gotten this far with just manual all out remote harassment

i really abused trep with it back in s6

[bitter lava]

manual?!

flag based or console based

[heady oracle]

hardcode based

its probably still sitting around the room control module commented out

[bitter lava]

you remind me of one of my OG screeps buddies

` /if (Game.rooms['E43S56'].terminal.store['GH'] > 100){
Game.rooms['E43S56'].terminal.send('GH', Game.rooms['E43S56'].terminal.store['GH'] - 100, 'E42S55');
}/

/*if (Game.rooms['E43S56'].terminal.store[RESOURCE_ENERGY] > 20000 && Game.rooms['E42S55'].terminal.store[RESOURCE_ENERGY] < 100000){
    Game.rooms['E43S56'].terminal.send(RESOURCE_ENERGY, Game.rooms['E43S56'].terminal.store[RESOURCE_ENERGY] - 20000, 'E42S55');
}

if (Game.rooms['E43S53'].terminal.store[RESOURCE_ENERGY] > 20000 && Game.rooms['E42S55'].terminal.store[RESOURCE_ENERGY] < 100000){
    Game.rooms['E43S53'].terminal.send(RESOURCE_ENERGY, Game.rooms['E43S53'].terminal.store[RESOURCE_ENERGY] - 20000, 'E42S55');
}

if (Game.rooms['E46S57'].terminal.store[RESOURCE_ENERGY] > 20000 && Game.rooms['E42S55'].terminal.store[RESOURCE_ENERGY] < 100000){
    Game.rooms['E46S57'].terminal.send(RESOURCE_ENERGY, Game.rooms['E46S57'].terminal.store[RESOURCE_ENERGY] - 20000, 'E42S55');
}*/` some of their code

[heady oracle]

ah, lovely

[heady oracle]

for the record, the combat creep is designed to defend a remote against invaders

[bitter lava]

you manually assign it

💀

[heady oracle]

well, normally the remotes spawn it as needed, i just manually spawn it to go somewere else

somehow it works

[bitter lava]

oh

core attackers to attack a remote

although making quads for harassing is a bit useless

you can send 1 blinky instead

[heady oracle]

actually because of how the spawn system works, it usually just send 2 creeps

[bitter lava]

why 2?

do they go to seperate rooms?

[heady oracle]

because it hits part cap on the first and decides to make a completely new creep to use up/overuse the unused parts

atleast i think

i find it funny so it has stayed

[bitter lava]

so you can have a fully ranged attack/heal creep, and a full move creep?

[heady oracle]

even worse

[bitter lava]

💀

[pallid totem]

@scarlet fossil Why not remove the <<overmind>> entirely?

Also, I didnt know OM was capable of PCs

[scarlet fossil]

Mine is, though it's pretty basic at the moment. Mostly factory processing

[scarlet fossil]

'cause I still have the security enabled, and it's gonna freak out if I take it out

[pallid totem]

Why not overwrite the controller sign prototype?

[scarlet fossil]

I guess I could disable it though, but at that point, meh

Oh, it's part of the obfuscated code in Overmind. It checks that the name appears, otherwise will run 1 out of 3 ticks

[pallid totem]

hah

funni

[polar path]

Free trial version of Overmind

[sullen condor]

Funny. That's how overmind forces its user to not change the sign

[pallid totem]

Its practically microsoft adding adds in the start menu

Ben is secretly a microsoft exec

[rotund olive]

no shot you haven't removed the obfuscated overmind code

[rotund olive]

would probably be fun to do like <<Supermind>> or something, Implying that it has surpassed overmind or whatever

[rotund olive]

if you read it you'll see it sounds like he might still have the obfuscated code

[pallid totem]

Over-OverMind

[pallid totem]

Ik, thats what I meant

I guess I COULD disable it though [the obfuscated code], but at that point, meh [Im too lazy to get off my ass and do it, but hey, it works]

[rotund olive]

this

[rotund olive]

you're right sorry, I'm tired and not giving this full focus

[pallid totem]

lol its all good

[wild delta]

Wait do you not all do this, whenever I change logic it's a push

[heady oracle]

whats a push

[wild delta]

Code push

[wild delta]

I have a deobsfuscated version 👀

[scarlet fossil]

I deobfuscated it and that's the version that's running, but the code's still there

[heady oracle]

alright, time to abuse infdev

[heady oracle]

my scout appears to be boxed in...

[bitter lava]

being bullied

[wild delta]

I prefer to view as a bunch of fans wanting their signature 😄

[bitter lava]

lol

room signature instead

[pallid totem]

@heady oracle This remote denial is brutal

[heady oracle]

now, if only they would stop pathing into your rooms

[pallid totem]

True, the free energy is great

Why not take advantage of this bug?

[bitter lava]

protester time

[heady oracle]

oh, i mispelled a type

derp

[heady oracle]

because i dont have siege code to take advantage of it yet

im just playing with resurrecting my S6 suppression code atm

[bitter lava]

send a bunch of MOVE, CARRY creeps to the room, and get them to dump all the energy

[pallid totem]

om nom nom

Free energy

[heady oracle]

if anything, i should now be doing less of that

[pallid totem]

I imagine harassing that much costs you a fair bit of energy lol

if I had actually decent logic for remote defense, this would be no biggie

[heady oracle]

i have no idea what this costs tbh

[pallid totem]

But these are changes that will be made in season

[heady oracle]

realistically though, ankle biters cost far less than any remote creep

[bitter lava]

until defense comes...

[pallid totem]

What room is this

[heady oracle]

i do believe they just stay out of range of ranged attack creeps

[heady oracle]

W18N12

they have been getting stuck on the scout creep for the past day

[pallid totem]

Oh, yeah

thats because your right where my cached path goes through

And its annoying as fuck

[heady oracle]

[pallid totem]

For some reason though, my bot doesnt think of you as hostile...

I need to fix that

[heady oracle]

i wonder what remotes are getting the actual combat creeps

[pallid totem]

None so far

My bot isnt setting any remote defense goals due to this issue

Yeah

No hostiles

[heady oracle]

oops

[pallid totem]

OHHHHH

Woops

[heady oracle]

oh, theres one of the actual creeps

[pallid totem]

should slowly be fixing itself now

[bitter lava]

is that creep the variety pack?

[heady oracle]

yup

[bitter lava]

love it

put a work part in

then you get the rainbow pack (kinda)

[heady oracle]

need a claim part too

[bitter lava]

yeah

[sullen condor]

http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/history/shard0/W2S8?t=1574454

Fun fight to see

[scarlet fossil]

Fun 😭

That poor OM must have had such a freakout

[sullen condor]

My creeps died eventually😂

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah. Not sure what that defense response was, but ugh

I'm sad that I don't have better logging for that stuff… I won't be able to read all the logging I do, how many defender it estimated that sort of stuff

[sullen condor]

I see

[scarlet fossil]

OM needs so much work combat-side. I'm glad it did somehow manage to take those out though

That looks like kiting mode with about… 10 hydralisks and a bunch of random melee? I wonder if it estimated properly, that's one of the things I improved

But yeah, easily abusable. Just stay at the edge, snipe the civilian creeps that are stuck in a "needs to path there/oh crap an hostile/flee to the colony" loop. Towers behind are gonna dump energy on repairs, etc.

[sullen condor]

It seems that my attackers need lots of work. They looks pretty dumb

[bitter lava]

your harassmanager or whatever got angry

[sullen condor]

It's remote defense!

[sullen condor]

@placid idol It seems that your bot dropped E4S11. Can you tell your bot to not give up that remote? I want to test combat there and you are a great opponent

[scarlet fossil]

Petition to rename the server Harabi's Sandbox 😅

[sullen condor]

This server really helps

I love that it has history

[bitter lava]

oh

[leaden sinew]

Everything about this servers motd makes me laugh.
thanks for the chuckle

[rotund olive]

lol what did I write that's so funny?

< 3

up and harv power couple

taking on the world

[scarlet fossil]

literal sisyphean task

did you at least fix up to use its carry properly?

[rotund olive]

Nope!

[pallid totem]

@heady oracle My room is doing better than I thought

Even through your harassment

Well, two of them are

[heady oracle]

im certain that its not even working/sending right

[sullen condor]

@scarlet fossil Your creeps are dancing

http://jayseegames.localhost:8080/(http://jayseegames.com:21025)/#!/room/shard0/W2S7

[scarlet fossil]

Transporters, right?

[sullen condor]

Yeah. Btw, nice work with boosted melee!

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah, I debugged something in transporters and reenabled the gale-shapley stuff, which does that for some reason :/

Thanks! I haven't really worked on bunker defense since our last few skirmishes, just swapped the order so the melee defender spawn first

Main issue is that I'd need to make a pool of "those are the defenders that are gonna handle the conflict", so that I can properly scale the dynamic hydralisk count, otherwise it's just gonna not see the 5 melee and make another pile of 15 hydras

[scarlet fossil]

Server's freaking out, no?

[sullen condor]

For me, yes

[rotund olive]

Shit, will check it out

[wild delta]

Maybe @pallid totem ?

[pallid totem]

Lol

Might actually be

[rotund olive]

xD

[pallid totem]

Pushing fixes now

[sonic marsh]

He's an actual menace XD

[scarlet fossil]

I'm getting the dreaded ```
SyntaxError: Unexpected token u in JSON at position 0
at Object.parse ()
at global._init.global._start (:16017:61)
at ()
at make (/screeps/node_modules/@screeps/driver/lib/runtime/make.js:160:34)

on tick start, and I'm just bleeding CPU all over

[polar path]

I think that means your RawMemory got set to undefined

[sonic marsh]

My bot is claiming there's a global reset every couple ticks. If it's not bugging out, could be due to that

Oh lookit lmao

[rotund olive]

Uhggggg

Wtf

[sonic marsh]

Servers are like petulant children. This is why all mine are managed, no bare metal

Which, I suppose Jaysee made the same choice. XD

[rotund olive]

I don't know if it's base metal or a VM

oh ahah I'm the manager :p

[scarlet fossil]

Okay I'm stable again

[sonic marsh]

I'm still seeing a global reset every 2 ticks

Welp, I needed to add a fallback for this anyway since it's probably going to happen in the season at some point.

[rotund olive]

😅 not sure what I can do

[scarlet fossil]

I don't know what's happening, it broke again. Last time I tried a combination of Game.cpu.halt() and that somehow stopped the reset every 2 ticks problem, but it's back

It's also very weird… I get one tick, then one one second later, and a big pause, over and over

Have you tried restarting the server @rotund olive? I'm wondering if there's something broken with the runners…

[rotund olive]

I haven't touched it at all since we last talked about restarting it

this sounds quite similar to a bug we had on newbieland

that time it was caused by a recursive import though. Probably not related

[scarlet fossil]

Not sure, but I know a few of the pservers I ran for myself failed a bit like that. Just… ticking oddly and throwing that error

[rotund olive]

this game...

very little community support, and the community server provided is not good

[scarlet fossil]

Mhm. Also, not sure about the RawMemory state. I can correctly get at the stringified version of my mem here, so I'm not sure where it's pulling the undefined from

[rotund olive]

hmm

Can everyone check if their Memory is weird at all please?

[scarlet fossil]

Mine's ```
Profiling memory...
Time elapsed: 13.552723999999984
ROOT.TOTAL: 436009

[rotund olive]

@sonic marsh@pallid totem @sullen condor @haughty cloak @polar path @heady oracle @wild delta @bitter lava
please check your memory for anything weird going on, and check your console for errors and please share if something is weird 🙂

[polar path]

I'm at work right now, it'll be a few hours before I could check it.

[sonic marsh]

Memory seems fine for me, also haven't seen the JSON error crop up again. Just the global resets.

[scarlet fossil]

I wonder what the server logs says. Something about runners exiting -1? I think that's how I had that at one point…

[dawn agate]

I'm getting Unexpected token u in JSON but intermittently, e.g. not every tick. Also global resets every 3-5 ticks

[scarlet fossil]

Fixed now

Never mind, dead again

It just went through 10-15 ticks in a row before returning to the "reset every other tick" issue

And stuck. Last tick was 2103840 It started again, but back into the constant resets

[sullen condor]

My bot is experiencing global reset constamtly

[scarlet fossil]

Fixed again ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rotund olive]

uhgg ok time to do this again lol

how do I get logs again?

[pallid totem]

Normally you chop down a tree

[rotund olive]

I'll chop your tree

[sick juniper]

Is that a euphemism?

[pallid totem]

I'd like to file a complaint with HR

[rotund olive]

yes

[rotund olive]

I am HR

[haughty cloak]

Fwiw, still resetting every few ticks

[scarlet fossil]

docker compose logs screeps -tf

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah, it's even deader than yesterday. I'm seeing upward of 5 minutes downtime between ticks, and a lot of the u errors

Actually, I don't know. I see TTLs going down (about one tick/6 seconds), but no ticks in console

So I guess everyone's gonna die out 😭

[sonic marsh]

That's one way to do a server wipe

[scarlet fossil]

Ah, might have been me. I think it's struggling so hard with the reset I'm just constantly hoovering whatever bucket I have saved up, so much that the runner just goes "yeah, not you, you're just hoarding it"

A switch out to a "do nothing" branch and back let it tick a little, so I'm back at ~600, but even with the refill bucket system running, it's still decreasing (and that's a big "if that is set and bucket not full, just do nothing at all" check)

[sonic marsh]

Nope

[scarlet fossil]

Crap, I think I broke myself pretty hard. Accidentally deleted my Memory :/

[pallid totem]

Hah

[scarlet fossil]

It's possible it's gonna fix itself, but given it ticks erratically I'd really prefer to have something… dependable before I start pushing things

Anyways, I think that undef issue comes from something about accessible rooms:

• Point at which the exception is thrown is here: https://github.com/screeps/driver/blob/e691bd3ee843cb12ac4bedc68397b2b92709f622/lib/runtime/runtime.js#L55
• That data.accessibleRooms is set here: https://github.com/screeps/driver/blob/master/lib/runtime/data.js#L211, actually generated a few dozen lines up, here: https://github.com/screeps/driver/blob/master/lib/runtime/data.js#L137
• Hence, the return value of the function there: https://github.com/screeps/driver/blob/master/lib/runtime/data.js#L77 which reads through the env (so a storage.env.get of that would be nice to see)
• And that env key is actually set from here: https://github.com/screeps/driver/blob/master/lib/index.js#L488, called from the engine's main loop here: https://github.com/screeps/engine/blob/97c9d12385fed686655c13b09f5f2457dd83a2bf/src/main.js#L80

So either the key is dead within the runner, which would point to redis somehow losing that value, and given the engine appears to auto-regenerate it every 20 ticks, that's why I'm seeing a burst of "everything is fine" ticks until it breaks again.

Or engine is going completely bonkers and just leaves the key unset, leading to a crash in the runners

[bitter lava]

ok

[rotund olive]

It's just this forever and forever and forever

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah, I had a hunch. That's not exactly good 😟

Could you maybe check if there's more info in the log files inside the container for that runner?

Ghaa, I'd need to hack the server code to get more info about what's happening :/

[scarlet fossil]

@rotund olive Can you maybe check those log files? I'm 78% sure they all should show up in the docker log, but… maybe not?

[rotund olive]

haha how would I do that?

sorry

[scarlet fossil]

docker compose exec screeps /bin/sh

You should end up in /screeps, in the container

Check the logs directory for a error_runner.log or something

[rotund olive]

/screeps/logs $ ls
backend.log               engine_processor4.log.2
backend.log.1             engine_processor4.log.3
engine_main.log           engine_processor5.log
engine_main.log.1         engine_processor5.log.1
engine_processor1.log     engine_processor5.log.2
engine_processor1.log.1   engine_processor5.log.3
engine_processor1.log.2   engine_processor6.log
engine_processor1.log.3   engine_processor6.log.1
engine_processor10.log    engine_processor6.log.2
engine_processor10.log.1  engine_processor6.log.3
engine_processor10.log.2  engine_processor7.log
engine_processor10.log.3  engine_processor7.log.1
engine_processor11.log    engine_processor7.log.2
engine_processor11.log.1  engine_processor7.log.3
engine_processor11.log.2  engine_processor8.log
engine_processor11.log.3  engine_processor8.log.1
engine_processor12.log    engine_processor8.log.2
engine_processor12.log.1  engine_processor8.log.3
engine_processor12.log.2  engine_processor9.log
engine_processor12.log.3  engine_processor9.log.1
engine_processor2.log     engine_processor9.log.2
engine_processor2.log.1   engine_processor9.log.3
engine_processor2.log.2   engine_runner1.log
engine_processor2.log.3   engine_runner1.log.1
engine_processor3.log     engine_runner1.log.2
engine_processor3.log.1   engine_runner1.log.3
engine_processor3.log.2   engine_runner1.log.4
engine_processor3.log.3   engine_runner1.log.5
engine_processor4.log     storage.log
engine_processor4.log.1   storage.log.1

quite a few options

[scarlet fossil]

Yeah, the engine_runner ones

[rotund olive]

so I post each one?

[scarlet fossil]

Maybe not each one, but… one where there ought to be something interesting in them

[rotund olive]

got it

[scarlet fossil]

I'm not sure if there's anything to be found, to be honest, but hopefully there's an explanation as to why main is restarting the runner in a loop?

[rotund olive]

yeah makes sense

[scarlet fossil]

'cause I'm pretty sure if the process aborts, it doesn't even get to log that, and the main process doesn't actually log a signal being the reason for the exit

that's the second (missing) argument there: https://github.com/screeps/launcher/blob/master/lib/start.js#L140

The 'exit' event is emitted after the child process ends. If the process exited, code is the final exit code of the process, otherwise null. If the process terminated due to receipt of a signal, signal is the string name of the signal, otherwise null. One of the two will always be non-null.

So it's likely eating a signal in the face

I mean, that whole function looks odd to me… you have a restartInterval that some of the processes default from the configuration, but once something happens, this function will just blindly restart with no interval set, ignoring the config altogether

It'll also clobber itself if there's already a process with that name running, so you "leak" a process if that happens