｜insight-2022

[autumn marsh]

General question to the presenter: how far are we from using NVMe Namespaces as Datastores? How many limitations (backup with SCP etc.) are still there from an ONTAP side?

[wispy marsh]

Set him up to autogrow/autoshrink

[keen crest]

It's as if a lot of people people use VMware with NetApp storage. 🙂

[rose grove]

I used to carry the early vSphere best practices TR around with me like a bible

[keen crest]

https://tenor.com/view/participation-participation-trophy-participation-award-when-you-win-participation-when-you-win-a-participation-trophy-gif-12070471

[rose grove]

The vTME team set the bar really high, NetApp had the authority on doing virtualisation for a long time

[elfin garden]

I think I only ever did one MCC install here in the states and it wasn't even a full MCC.... just a stretch cluster.

[dusky ore]

Question for @wary crow When new VASA provider? 😬

[elfin garden]

The distance between metro areas here in the US doesn't lend itself well to MCC.

[hazy compass]

I actually thought we'd see more MCC-IP once that was introduced for exactly this reason

[autumn marsh]

Well MCCs getting less here as well due to pricing and other vendors being able to do it with less hardware

[dusky ore]

most MCCs I did here in Germany are on the same campus though

[elfin garden]

It's actually kind of interesting, because I find that European customers tend to better understand the idea around Availability Zones and Regions in the cloud versus customers here in the US. I think there's a lot of confusion around HA vs DR when people initially start looking at the related cloud primitives.

[rose grove]

Don't forget to move over to the Panel Q&A channel for the next session

[silk light]

https://discord.com/events/855068651522490400/1032364524801630331

[wary crow]

I have an open request into engineering to make a link to the JSON file on the getting started page 🙂 But in the mean time, yeah, it's at https://[appliance-ip]:9083/vsc/config I should do a video and blog post on it at some point.

[dusky ore]

maybe even include a RBAC JSON for SCV? 😉

[rose grove]

I agree, lots of the MCC stuff I had done was same campus or in some strange instances it was in the same building with a physical firewall in between the two DCs. MCC was aways treated as High Availability, almost everyone I ever did was accompanied by a 3rd DR site

[wary crow]

NetApp is one of the largest vendors of array based replication with SRM in terms of market share according to VMware telemetry. It tends to be very large customers though, due to SRM licensing.

[keen crest]

Over 50 years of NetApp experience on the panel right now. LOL.

[rose grove]

When you do enterprise agreements SRM is neither here nor there in the scheme of things, so that makes a lot of sense

[wary crow]

Maybe soonish? It depends on a few different factors when we decide to release it to the public. We are currently doing an EAP if you would like to get involved please shoot me an email [e-mail]

[wispy marsh]

is there an award for the oldest version? 😦

[wary crow]

That's a good point actually. Let me see what I can do. No promises 🙂

[wary crow]

A lot of folks still love VSC 6.2.2

[wispy marsh]

if you keep ontap on version 9, you can always add more 9's

[dusky ore]

just had a customer with a (supported!) 9.1 MCC-FC...

[rose grove]

Is this a Windows 9 issue?

Because of GX lol

[elfin garden]

NetApp used to publish a matrix (maybe only accessible to partners?) showing the number of customers/arrays on each version.

[wary crow]

We still have it internally

[wispy marsh]

yes, or maybe why an elevator doesn't have a 13th floor

[dusky ore]

many of my customers were not so happy about the "new-system-manager"-issue which lead to some not updating beyond 9.7, but beginning with 9.10+ we notice many people are starting to love the new System Manager

[elfin garden]

It is the dependencies which make upgrades hard. It was always an exercise to work with customers to find the upgrade paths of all of their SnapDrive, SnapManager, VSC, etc. versions to match up with whatever version of ONTAP they wanted to upgrade to.

[wispy marsh]

we are still 9.7, at first it was system manager, then it was 8040 reasons.

[woven stirrup]

9.8 had some issues in gui like name mapping not showing up. It got fixed in 9.9

[wispy marsh]

cough pure

[dusky ore]

A big question for customers regarding updating ONTAP is often: What new features do I get with the new version? Then I tell them, this and that and then they are like "Oh ok.... yeah I don't need that"...
ONTAP has sooo many features and many of my customers only use like 10% or so... so new FlexCache features or S3 or something like that is not really important for many and they aim for stability

[elfin garden]

Chris == Max Headroom

[dusky ore]

Also there simply is no good way to easily showcase the new ONTAP features for a a new major release in like 15min.... these pages here (https://docs.netapp.com/us-en/ontap-whatsnew/index.html) were awesome but unfortunately they have not been continued...

[silk light]

Poor Chris

[sacred wolf]

Compliance with requirements to run supported OS often pushes those ones.. one section of one of my customers finally did it for that reason

[dusky ore]

I need a page with many screenshots and graphs, etc... otherwise I will always need to spin up a lab-system to showcase the new features

[drowsy temple]

I haven't had a chance to go through all of the new material yet. Any announcements around switchless 4-node clusters?

[sacred wolf]

This customer said “downtime costs me $6m/hr, so I don’t make changes”.. “buy you haven’t rebooted in 3 years and you’re running 9.1 in 2021!” “That’s because it hasn’t crashed”

[rose grove]

I had a customer that had core switches with 14 years of uptime

Never been patched since the day it shipped

[silk light]

@carmine fiber : https://handsonlabs.netapp.com/

[woven stirrup]

Impressive and scary at the same time.

[sacred wolf]

Eventually the conversation became one of “would you rather the potential of a crash while NOT running up to date software, or the potential of one while running up to date stuff?”

[dusky ore]

Some of my customers didn't update their older entry-level systems (FAS25xx) to newer versions because with 9.8 the idle CPU utilization was just higher than with earlier versions like 9.3 or so 😅

[elfin garden]

These are the kinds of admins that would likely have a heart attack if they ever worked for an org like Netflix where they purposely inject faults.

One of the most common asks I've seen for FSxN is the ability to force a failover for testing. New world order.... cause failures to make sure you can recover.

[sacred wolf]

We are still trying to get this guy to get a metrocluster for the $6m outage workload..

[wispy marsh]

we at least two version pretty often.

[elfin garden]

FSxN has automatic updates. 🙂

[kind chasm]

We just did an upgrade, and it applied the step version, before going to target version , BUT it took a lot longer and with MCC even longer

[keen crest]

This is really good feedback for us. Are you aware of this page? https://www.netapp.com/data-management/ontap-upgrade/

The release recommendation guide there is like the docu link you provided that highlights the feature for each release.

[wispy marsh]

we usually just hit a bug during an upgrade and get our remote upgrade support that way

[kind chasm]

We have used PS also for upgrades at times, and that was great!

[dusky ore]

Yeah, I do, but that simply includes too much marketing talk and no images here: https://www.netapp.com/pdf.html?item=/media/15984-ontap-release-recommendation-guide.pdf

[dusky ore]

I showed this page to sooo many customer and they loved it

[elfin garden]

I have seen situations that looked like absolute data loss scenarios where NetApp was able to recover data. There are a ton of safety features built into ONTAP.

[rose grove]

Doing RCF upgrades is crazy in some instances, wiping switches entirely and needed to get console access!

[celest radish]

Wanted to upvote this. Having a continuously running page showing ontap release dates (including P releases) that includes features and bugs would be amazing.

[keen crest]

Does the page I linked above with the release recommendations guide help?

I think trying to include P-releases and bugs fixed would be.... tough to do.

[kind chasm]

We typically do it once a year, during a time where there is less usage. So we try and also get the latest Plevel we can at the time which usually means we are a version behind the main release.

[celest radish]

That looks like a marketing page. The linked 'View release recommendation guide' gets me some of the way there but is static and doesn't show when P release came out. When I check the downloads page currently I see 9.11.1P3 is available, but I don't know how recently that was released. It would be helpful to know.

[rose grove]

Support Managers will help with that usually, we do have a recommendation KB about versions and P-releases that we can discuss with customers

[woven stirrup]

Prior to 9.1, we used to upgrade less frequently. Upgrades have become easier in newer versions, we are upgrading every quarter. We wait for p3/P4 upgrade to release or once there are 10k+ system on the newer version.

[keen crest]

Great feedback thanks @celest radish

[autumn marsh]

I had one customer with more than 1‘500 days of uptime. So as ONTAP is stable there was no need for upgrades 😀

You‘ll have an „outage“ if you use CIFS 😀

[elfin garden]

I like the term "Non-disruptive" versus "Zero downtime"

[keen crest]

I know someone who had an old FAS box on 6.x (5.x?) in the back of their data center that was doing nothing but they kept it there so they could pull out a console keyboard from the rack and the only command that had been typed in the history was "uptime". 🙂

It was just an uptime show-off box.

[latent tartan]

How often do "OFFTAP" features like SnapCenter, ONTAP tools for VMware (OTV), Harvest, Fibre Channel HBA firmware, FC switch firmware, Host OS, 3rd party, etc prohibit you from wanting to upgrade?

[autumn marsh]

As we upgrade them as part of the ONTAP update it’s close to never, but you‘ll need some more time

[dusky ore]

found it: https://kb.netapp.com/Support_Bulletins/Customer_Bulletins/SU2

[keen crest]

Thanks everyone!

[prisma folio]

@dusky ore https://kb.netapp.com/Support_Bulletins%2FCustomer_Bulletins%2FSU2

[carmine fiber]

Thank you!

[latent tartan]

Thank you! feel free to reach out to me with any additional feedback on upgrading ONTAP!

[elfin garden]

Let's go @slender dagger ! Looking forward to this. 🙂

[keen crest]

Btw, I passed along the request to link that customer bulletin on recommended P-release directly out of the "release recommendations" doc on NetApp.com so it's easy to find.

Trying to keep it high-level "marketing" on the web page", have the PDF be a "release on a page" single-click down, and then link into that KB article for the full depth. That make sense?

Thanks for the idea!

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[dusky ore]

Oh yes, good question! Not too often anymore (as long it's no SnapManager still running... 👀 )
Often the issue is more that the customer does not know anymore which OFFTAP software they have actually running somewhere in their environment. Especially for customers where their ONTAP cluster is a "set-and-forget" thing.
So I always ask them before the update "is there anything integrating into ONTAP?" and they say no.... then I check the local ONTAP users and I notice some named "vsc" or "snapcenter".... or I open vCenter and notice the old blue NetApp logo which means oh no they still have an old version and I need to update that too.

It would be awesome if you would more openly advertise the "application-record show" infos ONTAP already knows about... tools like OTV, AIQUM, etc. actually already tell ONTAP "hey I'm here and that's my version".
Why not show that on the System Manager GUI, maybe on the update page? "Hey, we noticed this SCV instance running on version 9.x which would not be compatible if you update to the image you just uploaded."

Oh and regarding 3rd party backup solutions: We have many customers using Veeam and CommVault together with their ONTAP clusters, so often we have to wait a bit until these vendors have updated their storage integration part.

[fringe jolt]

I do like how it tells you the cost up front.

(regarding the presentation for Intraclustr)

[opal yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-penguins-of-madagascar-madagascar-movies-animation-cartoons-gif-16596826

[fringe jolt]

That's one thing that is confusing with costs. It gives you the cost per GB or whatever, but it doesn't give you the total expected cost. I feel like we could learn that with our other cloud products.

[autumn marsh]

What I dislike is that like 80% from NetApp nowadays is cloud anything and you ask yourself if onprem storage is still important or not

And every vendor comes with a similar solution for something, in the end the customer will still have his RFPs, will buy storage and compute and will use his vCenter

[latent tartan]

Thank you for the detailed response and feedback this is great!

[fringe jolt]

On-prem is as much of importance as Cloud. We are just expanding our cloud portfolio and staying as a leader in Cloud, so our marketing has more to mention I guess you could say.

[elfin garden]

DevOps / Platform Engineering / Cloud Center of Excellence teams likely the target audience for this.

[autumn marsh]

Until „we“ are in touch with them they already have their solution. Our peers are other guys typically and they don’t know anything until it’s already done in most cases

[dusky ore]

Then your sales guys are talking to the wrong people 😬

[opal yarrow]

Taylor needed his AWS badge. Fixed!

[valid torrent]

Thanks, Will! Good info. I want the slides.

[keen crest]

Yeah, just ignore me.

My audio/video is gonna be screwed up until IT figures out whatever the firewall is blocking on our corp network.

I could fix it with my personal hotspot, but I want IT to be able to solve permanently.

[sacred wolf]

for a lot of businesses, to be frank, it isn't anymore. IDC spend tracking shows less than 45% of storage spend is on-prem. If you're looking at a storage vendor who doesn't do cloud, they will struggle to remain profitable in the long to medium term - https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS49426222

We know for some of our customers, on-prem is it, and we're there for it.

and for others, it's a mix, or cloud native, and we're there for that too

[dusky oak]

Depending on the sector, it's shocking to find people that are 100% on prem.
Even in healthcare where they are usually 5-10 years behind the curve.

[sacred wolf]

What is more likely is that people at one level we have dealt with in the past aren’t doing cloud, but other parts of their organisation are

Even some of our customers who are more sensitive than healthcare will use commercial cloud services sometimes

[autumn marsh]

It’s not that doing cloud is bad. It’s more that from information being shared and sessions / events they are 80% cloud stuff. I don’t attend to Insight anymore as they technical deep dive sessions are just a few, most other stuff is marketing, cloud etc.
We have customers like nuclear power plants, various banks etc. where cloud is a big topic for some parts of their data, but they will always have their own DCs for various reasons

Keep in mind that engineers doing ONTAP for years are not the one’s that go to the customer, drink coffee with some dev ops guys and talk about that nice cloud solution. My peer at the customer has the expectation that I know this ONTAP system very well, know some background information with helps to build a better solution.
Tbh most customers don’t care if it’s NetApp or any other brand. They want that it is running without issues and that they have a partner who knows this system very well

[brisk wharf]

That doesn't change where NetApp is today. If you want to be a partner supporting on-premise only customers, then our offerings and expertise are there to support that, if that same customer happens to evolve and want to start a journey to the cloud, then NetApp can help you, as a partner, have an answer to that.

NetApp TV has the marketing fluff, as well as the technical stuff, and here in Discord we are bringing more technical and product folks in to help talk about all things in the weeds, and answer questions. So I hope you can find what you are looking for.

If not, let us know, so we can take that feedback onboard!

I know the in-person Insights historically have def had more opportunity to ask questions etc, and have some good conversations with tech folks, product folks etc. So we're trying to bridge that gap here in Discord where possible.

[fluid palm]

I agree with that and from my point of view, you should take the best of both worlds. Unfortunately our company is very strict regulated regarding which data can be send out to SaaS solutions. Which then slows down our pace. One e.g. is CloudInsight which could help us a lot in our VMware environment but there are to many metrics collected which are not supposed to go outside our DC

[dusky oak]

Exactly, is it wholesale? No, but very specific use cases.

[dusky oak]

Wild!

[rose grove]

One of the interesting talking points I caught on The Cube last week at KubeCon was that while cloud revenue is growing at a massive rate, DC revenues aren’t in decline, more like they are just holding where they have been.

It’s important for companies to recognise this and I think we are doing a good job at balancing both worlds. Although we always welcome customer feedback, so don’t think we aren’t listening. The struggle is, it’s hard to market on-prem innovation as it’s currently incremental rather than revolutionary. The exciting innovation is happening in the cloud and the containers space right now so it’s a lot easier to maintain that momentum. Give it a little while and that will shift as well, there’s some really interesting hardware innovation coming with CXL 2.0, Silicon Photonics, as well as the ongoing CPU architecture wars.

[dusky oak]

That's not entirely surprising.
IoT devices, gigantic WebApps at scale, etc.

I for one welcome my new chiplet overlords versus gigantic monolithic "hope this big die diffused right" processors

[rose grove]

Yeah I’m really excited about the future of hardware and what we see over the next decade. I could geek out for hours on some of this stuff. I had a chance to talk about a lot of the changes with a good friend at VMware Explore NA a few months ago, he’s got a good podcast going now on things like Compute Express Link. I am also very bullish on the future of Arm in the data centre, along with offload technologies like DPU.

[faint adder]

I've been watching some sessions on netapp.tv and always at the end the presenter says something like "Also check out these cool resources" and shows a slide of links.
But it's a video so how do I find the links?

[silk light]

There's a "Related Resources" button over on the right side of the video window. As long as the presenter submitted everything properly, those links should be there.

[faint adder]

Hmm.. when watching the video or when looking at the summary text?
Can you check if it's available on BRK-1008 ?

Perhaps I can just ping @languid galleon 😄

[prisma folio]

• Cyber Resilience Strategy Blog - https://www.netapp.com/blog/build-effective-cyber-resilience-strategy/
• Ansible Security Hardening Blog - https://netapp.io/2020/04/03/harden-ontap-with-ansible-role/
• ONTAP Hardening Guide - https://www.netapp.com/pdf.html?item=/media/10674-tr4569pdf.pdf
• Ransomware Blog Series - https://www.netapp.com/blog/prevent-ransomware/

[faint adder]

Sweet! Thanks a lot!

[prisma folio]

@faint adder let me know if you need any others

[fringe jolt]

Thanks for the feedback. Technical deep dives make a lot of sense.

[opal yarrow]

If you have questions/comments for Mekka, you're welcome to come off mute and ask directly or drop them here in chat and I'll relay up to her

[fringe jolt]

Yup, had to help customers with DSM several times.

[opal yarrow]

That's a throwback!

[odd escarp]

DSM that takes me back

[fringe jolt]

VI!!!

I still use it today.

[opal yarrow]

I code exclusively in Notepad.

[fringe jolt]

You're a brave man.

[barren shale]

vi

[opal yarrow]

love/respect vi, but I'm a nano fan

[fringe jolt]

Now you're talking better.

You're not a true developer until you have a real keyboard.

Question: What does Mekka dev on today? I missed it.

[forest wraith]

Where can we find the recordings of the Discord Events that we weren't able to attend live? I looked on NetApp.tv, but didn't see them.

[opal yarrow]

Give me a week. We've got all the recordings, but need a few days to get them edited.

[forest wraith]

Thanks, Nick. They'll be available on NetApp.tv, right?

[opal yarrow]

As of now, yes. I'll definitely share them in here as they become available.

[fringe jolt]

I want to get into programming. With programming what language should I start with and what is a great resource to learn?

[opal yarrow]

python, go, and rust if you want modern stuff

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[charred pine]

I've filled survey yesterday, should I repeat it?

[silk light]

Only if you've got new feedback for us 🙂

[elfin garden]

Another great way to learn a new language is to do so during the Advent of Code... which is upcoming....https://adventofcode.com/

[charred pine]

happy as yesterday with insight and discord activities 🙂

[opal yarrow]

Not necessary, but you DO need to hit the PARTICIPATE button in #┊・giveaways in order for the bot to consider you in the drawing!

[charred pine]

great!

[opal yarrow]

Thank you for the feedback!

[charred pine]

also its great opportunity to know better people who are behind Netapp, I'm working with storage for over 10 years and I knew ppl just by name. Never got opportunity to visit conference IRL

[odd escarp]

Great presentation and nice plug for ATO

[oblique inlet]

Cloud Ops Talk - When legacy enterprise test automation meets the cloud, Mekka Williams, NetApp

Git Branching Workflows - https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Branching-Branching-Workflows

DevOps as a Service model - https://www.techtarget.com/searchitoperations/definition/DevOps-as-a-service-DaaS

That first link that didnt come through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SDKc15oG5M

[kind chasm]

I'm hoping there are more episodes of "The IT Office - A NetApp parody" as need to find out what happens...

[oblique inlet]

Do you have any programming experience? I love python for learning. It's really elegant. If you have C/C++ exposure then you'll love Go. Ive heard I love it though because of C/C++

[oblique inlet]

Thanks!!

[fringe jolt]

Visual Basic in high school (2001-2005). I've tried learning python before but can't seem to follow through.

[oblique inlet]

Like with self-paced? Would you work better with a person. Because I know someone (at NetApp) that likes teaching python...

[fringe jolt]

I need a full class with a teacher.

Or something like that yeah.

[oblique inlet]

Lemme ask my good buddy if he's holding class...

[fringe jolt]

Cool. ty

[rose grove]

Astra, astra, astra!!!

[opal yarrow]

PSA: If you're interested more in Astra, especially Trident, the dev team can be found down in the #┊・astra🔒 channel day to day.

[languid galleon]

Appreciate you sharing that Chris

[opal yarrow]

Yes, 62%. You read that correctly.

Not our numbers, 3rd party analyst validation

[rose grove]

How many people in here have Kubernetes workloads currently?

Follow up, how many people are using stateful applications in Kubernetes?

[tulip wolf]

one question: if we didn't have cluster on DR site configured and running , could Astra deploy new one and restore the backup ?

[rose grove]

We could script that, include the Astra restore as part of a larger IaC setup via the APIs

Next time we get a chance to do a demo for the group, we will show the SnapMirror integration, think SRM but for Kubernetes

[formal oak]

Side note, the ACC Lab in the LoD has been updated with v22.08 which includes Snapmirror integration (2 RKE clusters + 2 ONTAP clusters). Great feature to try ! 🔱

[rose grove]

That's great to hear!

[open skiff]

@opal yarrow Would the giveaway be redrawn?

[rose grove]

I've flagged it, I'm not sure thats expected. We will look at it once the sessions are done

[opal yarrow]

Yes I’ll reroll it after this session

[rose grove]

Question for the panel, how does this help customers refactoring, you've got the data into a first party service that is closer to the other cloud services, I can only imagine this is a huge benefit.

[oblique inlet]

You'll have an invite in your inbox shortly

[fringe jolt]

Ty.

[hazy compass]

18 wheeler of data transfer? Like Snowmobile?

[rose grove]

I love that thought around bringing things back out, sometimes what started as a short lived service becomes something else, then where are long lived services better placed. That's a great process to be able to harness

Functions that grow too large over time and end up becoming permanent services

[wintry ivy]

Where does Cloud Flex storage fit into this as another NFS datastore and what is VMware's future direction for that?

[dusky ore]

He actually asked the VSAN question 👀

But it's great that while NetApp mostly competes with VSAN on-prem, in the cloud ONTAP actually complements VSAN

[deft stream]

or the opposite of replacing the 2nd site and make vmc the primary and your on-premises DC as the secondary for tier 0/1 workloads

[kind chasm]

Sounds like there is a basic tier level that we can add all of our NetApp products to BlueXp does that sound right?

[hazy compass]

Thanks for doing this @opal yarrow @silk light and all the community leads.

doh, why did I think it was over...it's time for Mike!

[deft stream]

i wish i was feeling better...i totally wanted to be more interactive on discord for this Insight event 😕

[hazy compass]

woot, ADP nerdiness!

[dusky ore]

the bezels on Mike's wall 🥺

[hazy compass]

Check out one of mine @dusky ore

[deft stream]

@dusky ore i'm Mikes HA pair for the FAS980 🙂

thats really cool @hazy compass i think even the font matches 🙂

[hazy compass]

That display doesn't support a lot of font options.

[silk light]

If you're trying to join the main room and are getting the "room full" error, hop into the #953719879633100850

[dusky ore]

ohhh nice

[languid kayak]

ooops... There should be another open seat now. Forgot to jump in the overflow room first lol

[bronze blaze]

How long will the Insight HoL be available after today?

[opal yarrow]

@deft stream Do you happen to know if there's anything in the HoL that isn't available in the typical labondemand.netapp.com customers have access to?

[hazy compass]

It might be worth noting that the tests/exams Mike is talking about are specifically certification exams that require a proctored exam session, not accreditation tests that you take on the NetApp website. I don't believe customers would not be familiar with accreditations however as they're typically for partners.

[opal yarrow]

WRITE ANYWHERE FILE LAYOUT!

Did I win?

[hazy compass]

Mine is also from Joel

960c

[dusky ore]

why is NAHSE so hard? ☹️

[hazy compass]

22 seems accurate

[languid kayak]

Joel distributed quite a few bezels in his day lol

[silk light]

He's a lurker here 👀

[hazy compass]

What's special about the beta exam @barren shale

answer: 50% off, which he answered orally

[opal yarrow]

@proven rune are your ears burning?

[hazy compass]

lol

[deft stream]

@bronze blaze HOL and reg LOD have very different catalogs. Lod is more deep tech focused vs HOL where its more value add

[opal yarrow]

Mike is having an earthquake

[deft stream]

i'm gonna do a HA takeover of his 960 lol

[wispy marsh]

❤️ voucher discounts

[bronze blaze]

I used to have a whole set of bezels from the F740 on wards. Tossed them all a few years ago when I downsized my home.

[hazy compass]

Exams and prereqs listed here:

https://www.netapp.com/support-and-training/netapp-learning-services/certifications/

[dusky ore]

that's a question 😉

[opal yarrow]

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[hazy compass]

Would you say Scott is going to go vols deep on ADP @opal yarrow ?

[deft stream]

LOL

[opal yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[charred pine]

wow, nice! thought it only will be 1 promo code for 1 exam

[hazy compass]

Appropriate.

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[sacred wolf]

#noMaki 😉

[opal yarrow]

PSA: No @hazy compass doesn't get to win twice. We'll be finding a way to reroll the 5th giveaway, we're working on it.

[hazy compass]

That is not very fair, I didn't see any rules posted beforehand indicating as much.

But, having voiced my protest, that's where I'll leave it. I'm sure whomever the next winner is will appreciate it.

[opal yarrow]

You didn't see the fine print of "Staff and Previous Winners" as not eligible?

[hazy compass]

I am neither of those...plus I don't know what a winnder is. 😉

[opal yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-washington-get-out-no-hell-gif-10700690

[sacred wolf]

Who has looping gifs now Nick? 😉

[opal yarrow]

Settings > Accessibility 🙂

[sacred wolf]

Oh thank goodness

Thanks!

[kind chasm]

DATONA!

[odd escarp]

Scottttt

[kind chasm]

One quick question, are the drive # maximums changing with ADP?

aka max # of drives that can be used for ADp

[opal yarrow]

We PaintedHimBlackBlue again.

[odd escarp]

Hearing Scott teach almost makes me want to come back

[forest wraith]

Can we get a copy of this slide deck? Would be great reference for ADP.

[rose grove]

Scott is my go to whenever I have questions about ADP. His Tech Deep Dive in field portal is bookmarked constantly

[forest wraith]

Can you share this bookmark?

[opal yarrow]

If you get an error that the room is full, join the Overflow Room right below it

[silk light]

#953719879633100850

[elfin garden]

Was Scott the narrator for old NetAppU courses?

[opal yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/mmmm-mmmm-dave-chappelle-saturday-night-live-planning-rubbing-hands-gif-19226537

Apologies for the pixelation of the slides, not sure if that's a Discord or wifi/bandwidth issue

[elfin garden]

I'm seeing it as well, so likely Discord.

[rose grove]

I’m on my phone right now, but I’ll grab it in the morning if no one else posts it.

[opal yarrow]

Gone are the good ol' 14+2 days

[opal yarrow]

Agreed I think it's compression from Discord.

[forest wraith]

Ok, I thought it was just me.
Did anyone else just lose the presentation? I can still hear audio.

[silk light]

Still good here

[forest wraith]

Ok, leaving and rejoining fixed it.

[opal yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifianakis-adderall-hangover-gif-4797378

[hazy compass]

I cannot wait until this video is made available to share with some guys on my bench.

[rose grove]

Yeah, I’ve had to explain this so many times. Will be great to just share this

[hazy compass]

However, could something like this be used as FUD by competitors to argue the complexity of NetApp?

[dusky ore]

In smaller AFFs like C190: Is it ok to assign both P1 and P2 partitions to the same node to get a larger aggr? (in active/passive configurations where you need a volume with a bigger size)

[hazy compass]

For SAN reasons @dusky ore ? Otherwise, FlexGroups?

[dusky ore]

yeah, FlexGroup might be the better alternative now

[rose grove]

Possibly, but I would argue there are other complexities of competitors that are way worse that they always try to brush under the rug.

[hazy compass]

Before ADP? Active/Passive for sure.

[hazy compass]

Also true.

Same information is available in HWU for non-partners

[wintry ivy]

Is the Fusion sizing tool programmed with all the ADP rules and best practices mentioned here?

[rose grove]

I’ll throw up a question, high capacity FAS systems, say 8300 with disks 10 to 16TB so primarily thinking RAID-TEC. To ADP or to not ADP, what’s the recommendation? Useable size comes out pretty close. But my thought has always been having a RAID-TEC root aggregate is better because of rebuild times etc.

[hazy compass]

Should be....where's Wayne when you need him?

[rose grove]

I think there’s one exception I’ve noticed in RD on high end HDD systems. It doesn’t auto model adding partitions and non-partitions in the same aggregate, but ONTAP will do it in auto aggregate creation.

[hazy compass]

I've also seen problems where you import a system with less than 48 drives and then you want to expand it, ADP
modelling doesn't work.

[dusky ore]

@autumn marsh You could partition some of the full disks from the DS460 and add them to the rg0... maybe go until raidsize 23 and then just add new raidgroups (same maxraidsize) with full disks.

[hazy compass]

14 drives you say?

[dusky ore]

partitioning is always better than losing another 16TB disk

[opal yarrow]

DS14!

[hazy compass]

ADP was likely born out of the pushback from 2x3 disk root aggregates on a 12-drive system.

But the the load levelling across SSDs that it enabled was awesome.

[wispy marsh]

ADP to keep from throwing away flash for root aggr.

[dusky ore]

While we're talking partitioning: What's the future of StoragePool? 😬

[hazy compass]

<cough>root on mirrored m.2 drives</cough>

[rose grove]

I was just wondering where Atanas was, then you throw that in here

[hazy compass]

lol

[dusky ore]

Yeah put all the data in vol0 😅

[rose grove]

Stop triggering 7-mode PTSD

[deft stream]

AtaNOOOOOS where has he been hiding at

[odd escarp]

@stiff tinsel I was there with you

[hazy compass]

ADP data as presented in HWU:

[dusky ore]

That cmd is really awesome, used it a lot!

[hazy compass]

omg, that's an awesome tip right there @stiff tinsel

[rose grove]

Yeah I’ve used that a few times, it’s really good.

[hazy compass]

what was the command? storage... ?

[opal yarrow]

stor aggr creare part

I think?

[dusky ore]

storage disk create-partition

[rose grove]

Scott is an awesome presenter, for all those that wanted some amazing deep dive content for our on-prem systems, there you have it

[hazy compass]

@stiff tinsel What was the command to partition a drive based on another's partition table?

[dusky ore]

I think you need at least priv advanced

[autumn marsh]

Yeah personally don’t like raid groups streched over Shelves 😀

[stiff tinsel]

No, I was not. I promise!

[hazy compass]

When he said "normal cluster shell" I assumed not diag/advanced

[dusky ore]

that's normal 😉

[stiff tinsel]

ADP Technical FAQ: https://fieldportal.netapp.com/content/726634

[autumn marsh]

Hey I have to migrate 2 7M Systems with SL until the End of January, 7M is still alive 😀

[dusky ore]

must check if that 7-Mode MCC-FC is still running at that one customer 🙈

[autumn marsh]

That’s the reason I felt I have to join the session as it is a deep dive 😀👍🏻

[hazy compass]

Downloaded the other day when I got the notification from FP.

[stiff tinsel]

Correct.

[rose grove]

If you model them manually in fusion it will work, which took me a little to work out, but now I know

[stiff tinsel]

Thanks, Jason!

[hazy compass]

@stiff tinsel Might want to also update this: https://fieldportal.netapp.com/content/726634?searchbar={"k"%3A"adp"}

The actual FAQ and not tech preso

[autumn marsh]

BTW @stiff tinsel any chance to get those slides?

[hazy compass]

me too please

[stiff tinsel]

Bookmark this page too for a landing page: https://fieldportal.netapp.com/content/883199

it makes searching Field Portal for hardware content (including ADP) far easier

[hazy compass]

What's a bookmark? seo ftw!

[dusky ore]

Why does everyone have that bezel in the back? 😄

[hazy compass]

that was enough of that gif

[stiff tinsel]

If you have access to Field Portal, the ADP SE Presentation has a lot of the content, just in older template format

[charred pine]

At saturday I will help get through power maintenance at customer site, they have some fas2020 in 7.2.6 7mode. Hope they will get back online!🤣

[hazy compass]

I've only got two, the 960c because it's the classic, and the AFF 8080 because it was one of first AFFs

[stiff tinsel]

Good luck! WAFL_check might end up being your best friend by the end.

[autumn marsh]

Yes I have fieldportal access as a partner. Will get it from there. Important thing to me are the differences depending on shelves and versions. Thanks!

[charred pine]

They will even try to get old diesel aggregates just because they do not want to turn it off. Few years of uptime 🤣but they called me "just in case"

[hazy compass]

@stiff tinsel I think there's some confusion, the only updated ADP doc is the SE Preso:

https://fieldportal.netapp.com/content/202848?searchbar=%7B%22k%22%3A%22adp%22%7D&popupstate=%7B%22state%22%3A%22app.viewContent%22%2C%22srefParams%22%3A%7B%22source%22%3A9%2C%22sourceType%22%3Anull%2C%22assetId%22%3A202848%2C%22assetComponentId%22%3A202946%7D%7D

The ADP tech faq is still Feb 2021

reboot

[autumn marsh]

Nothing new since then except 9.11.1 boot menu from what I remember

[stiff tinsel]

That's OK. The Tech FAQ changes far less frequently than the SE deck.

[hazy compass]

@opal yarrow reboot

[dusky ore]

close MS Teams if it's running in the background

[hazy compass]

Yeah, Teams likes to keep all the device locks

[dusky ore]

omg, it's still running.... ASUPs from yesterday are up in AIQ 😅

[charred pine]

Brave men

[hazy compass]

K, finally checked, storage disk create-partition requires set d, at least on 9.7

[dusky ore]

that's fine for me 😉

[hazy compass]

login
rows 0
set d

[dusky ore]

this!

😄

[charred pine]

Indeed, more work for us

[dusky ore]

the really brave ones do set d -c off

[hazy compass]

I'm not sure "brave" is the appropriate adjective here.

[deft stream]

if its a mac...he might need to grant permission for the camera to work with discord

[hazy compass]

He mentioned Winderz

[deft stream]

nm

[silk light]

Thanks for sticking with us 🙂

[gentle summit]

Next year in person 🙂

[silk light]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-begging-pretty-please-beg-on-your-knees-pray-for-mercy-gif-26344462

[hazy compass]

yes, please.

[languid kayak]

low bandwidth?

[hazy compass]

@silk light Can you present for him?

[silk light]

I don't have his slides

[hazy compass]

That's easily solved.

[silk light]

We tested all of this earlier

[hazy compass]

No comment necessary.

[rose grove]

There always has to be one gremlin

[hazy compass]

Karl fed his computer after midnight.

[deft stream]

its all good...its like the time the projector bulb popped during my preso....just gotta roll with it

[rose grove]

Well it’s 00:19 for me so he may well have

[languid kayak]

OneDrive link for the win!

[hazy compass]

Yeah, this really feels like a Windows thing not a network thing.

But the network guys will tell you it's the storage

[dusky ore]

share your screen so we can troubleshoot the issue together 🤓

[hazy compass]

so many cooks

[deft stream]

LOL @dusky ore

[hazy compass]

@opal yarrow @silk light He's still on 1080p/60fps too

[deft stream]

my meds kicked in so i'm finally feeling better...thats why the preso wont show

[hazy compass]

Yay, Toronto!
🇨🇦

[opal yarrow]

10 pts for saying GIF properly

[hazy compass]

I stepped out, was it a soft or hard G?

[opal yarrow]

soft

[hazy compass]

nice...that is the right way

He also used all the syllables in premises

[languid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/this-so-awesome-excited-gif-18599985

[stiff tinsel]

In the late 1990's, before AOL bought them, I lived 2 streets away from the CompuServe campus in Columbus, Ohio. One day, I actually got to meet Steve Wilhite. He assured me that, as the inventor, 'GIF' was pronounced like the American peanut butter brand 'Jif.'

[barren shale]

I do like me some Jraphics Interchange Format

[opal yarrow]

<Giraffe has entered the chat>

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[forest wraith]

Sorry, just now realizing that there was further discussion around the native VLAN question (one mark against Discord)...

Anyway, I was asking the question about native vlans because at my customer, the network team will frequently setup a port with a native vlan (say e0M) on node1. Then, a few years later, we add another node, and for that, they setup e0M with a different native vlan. The network team is not terribly responsive, so it would be nice to be able to tell where the vlans are different so that we can clean this up (and, allow cluster_mgmt to move to any e0M port in the cluster).

Is there some method I can use from within OnTap to determine what vlans my ports are on if the vlans are not explicitly configured within OnTap?

[wispy marsh]

network device-discovery show might at least give you the information you need when contacting the nyetwork team.
https://kb.netapp.com/Advice_and_Troubleshooting/Data_Storage_Software/ONTAP_OS/e0M_Service_Processor_or_BMC_unreachable_on_network_due_to_VLAN_tagging_on_switch_port

[rose grove]

If the ports were on different L2 networks then APP would put them in different BD’s. That’s the only way I can think of that you’d be able to tell they are wrong. There’s nothing as such that can tell you what the port side is configured with, that information never leaves the switch once you’ve set an access port on a certain VLAN, it’s not tagged or sent with the traffic.

[silk light]

\// Gentle reminder that this channel will be locked soon (probably Monday). Please continue conversations in the appropriate channels below. \//

[stiff tinsel]

@rose grove Precisely. If there is a VLAN defined within ONTAP for that port, then ONTAP will report it in the interface name (e.g., a0a-573) of 'network interface show' output. If the port is not VLAN'ed inside of ONTAP, you have to rely on the switch or other external tools to find it out.

[blissful comet]

Will someone be reaching out to us via DM if we won a giveaway?

[forest wraith]

Thanks everyone for the feedback. At least I know that I'm not just missing something.

[silk light]

Yep! Nick is going to be working through that today.

[near bloom]

I'm trying to figure out if INSIGHT 2022 presentations are available online or not

[opal yarrow]

They are! Any one in particular you're looking for? The live ones we held this week are currently being edited and will be added to the catalog over the next couple of weeks.